The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Belichick HOF SNUB, Shedeur in Pro Bowl, Browns pass on Schwartz, Super Bowl prep | Richard Sherman

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

Richard Sherman reacts to Bill Belichick being DENIED as a first ballot Pro Football Hall of Famer, talks about Tom Brady being baffled, and rips the selection process. He also discusses Jim Schwartz being FURIOUS after being snubbed as the Cleveland Browns next coach in favor of Todd Monken, and whether he could become the San Francisco 49ers defensive coordinator. Plus, Shedeur Sanders Pro Bowl drama, wild coaching hires (Mike McCarthy to the Pittsburgh Steelers?!), and Super Bowl week survival guide for the New England Patriots and Seattle Seahawks from a Super Bowl champ.   All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know what time it is? Mitchell, it's the Super Bowl. Well, I guess the week before the Super Bowl, and it's still a lot of action going on. We know the teams, we know what they got going on, no billboard, no bulletin board material yet. But there's some coaching hires and some fires, and some people getting picked up that you weren't,

expected. Swartz is pissed. Mitchell, what's you thinking? Richard, there's a lot of action, even though this is technically a bye week, the week before Super Bowl week. There's still a lot of action going on in the NFL. One of the big things right around Super Bowl time is the Hall of Fame. And Richard, we got caught with an absolute right hook of news this week. How in the world is a guy like Bill Belichick, not a first ballot hall of famer? I'll start there. Mitchell, you want to know how you,

you want to know how you lose credibility in an established organization team or anything. You watch a slam dunk candidate, a no-brainer answer, and it go unanswered. If you don't want to listen to me, just listen to what Tom Brady said.

He said he doesn't understand. If he's not a first ballot Hall of Famer, then really there's no coach that should ever be a first. first ballot Hall of Famer. And that's true. Now, I have a lot of respect for the Hall of Fame and a hard job that all the voters have and all of that. But this wasn't a hard job. This wasn't a hard job at all. This is, hey, whether you think he's the greatest coach all at time or not, whatever, you can argue that with somebody else. One of the greatest coaches

to ever coach the game. A lot of Super Bowls. I think you got eight between playing, between, coordinating and head coaching between the Giants and the New England Patriots, earned first ballot Hall of Fame. Earned. Not speculative. Not, hey, I think he should. 100% sure. First Ballot Hall of Famer.

Now, when you don't do it and then there's conjecture and conversation about what Bill Pollan said or may have not said because there's, you know, we don't know what's happening behind closed doors. There's rumors both ways. said something and then they're saying he didn't say anything and he voted for Bill Belichick. So I don't know. I think this is what happens when you don't have a transparent process. And when you don't have a transparent process, there's no accountability. If you had accountability in this process, I don't think, I think this is a slam duck and nobody's talking about it.

But when you can hide behind a vote, it makes it really tough. It makes it really tough because you won't ever be able to get to the bottom of who voted for him and who didn't vote for him. if it's true. Now, we may get to next week and Bill Belichick be a Hall of Famer and all this was with some made-up rumor and somebody got misinformation and all this. And I'm hoping that's what the case is because if that's not, I don't know, I don't know how you can trust this process going forward if somebody with his resume as a coach and a coordinator isn't an NFL Hall of Famer on the first ballot that he's on, it's hard to debate that anybody is. Now, because the equivalent is putting Tom Brady on the ballot and not saying he's the

First Ballot Hall of Famer. That's the level of insanity this is. And if you don't believe me, I mean, that's what it is. Like if you put Tom Brady on the ballot and you said, hey, Tom Brady didn't get the 40 votes, what are we, what are we voting for? And I understand people are saying, oh man, the deflate gate, the this, the that. I don't know if that. It's the Barry Bonds baseball thing for me.

Hall of Fame. Like, you could say, you know how many people probably, you know, took enhancements in these sports. Those enhancements don't help you hit that little ball. I guarantee you. There's no enhancement that can increase your speech or your hand-eye coordination. nation enough because if it did, the badden percentages would be crazy out of this world. But the guy was an incredible ballplayer. This is an incredible coach.

And I don't think the things and the speculation should ever diminish that. And it almost seems like personal agendas are getting in a way of the facts and objective opinions about the greatest sport in the national, I mean the greatest sport in America. And I just don't like that, Mitchell. I don't like it. I don't like human emotion getting between fact. Like Bill Belichick's a first ballot Hall of Famer. That's a fact.

If that's not a fact, the process has to be changed because it's clearly broken. It's clearly broken if that's not a fact. I'll take it a step further, Richard. I think it's a complete and utter joke. I think it discredits the Hall of Fame. This guy, Bill Belichick, he is the Michael Jordan of. coaches. I mean, whether you think he's the greatest of all time or not, he's certainly in that discussion. And if any person, coach, player, executive, et cetera, is in that discussion as one of the

greatest of all time, they deserve to be first ballot. And that's what Bill Belichick is. You've got to wonder, you know, of his riff with the media, of how he handled his press conferences with the media, had anything to do with this. You got to wonder if these voters kept them up. And off the first ballot out of spite. You know, obviously he's coaching at UNC now. You know, he didn't retire and sail off into the sunset. He chose to go keep coaching and chase a new challenge. Richard, this is a complete another joke.

But even if that's the case, even if you say, hey, he was abrasive, he was this, that would be okay if there was like a fringe. If he's a fringe Hall of Famer, if he's a fringe Hall of Fame, you say he doesn't deserve the first ballot, it's a fringe. This man got eight Super Bowls to his name. That's not a friend. That's not a debatable point. This is not a debatable topic.

So it's personal opinion or not like, it's, it's, is the sun hot? Yes, it's hot. That's not a debatable thing. It's, it's one of those things. It's the sky up or down. Like, it should not be up for a debate. It should not be up for, for somebody's emotional emotions to change. change an outcome.

If the media hated Bill Belichick does not change the fact he's a Hall of Fame coach. Now, did they do that to T.O.? 100%. T.O. was probably supposed to be a First Ballet Hall of Fame or his numbers say that. His rankings on a number of lists say first ballot hall of famer, they punished him, said, nope, we're not going to do it.

Cool, I guess. You know what I mean? You've got to be good to the media. You've got to be nice to people. You've got to have those conversations. but this guy just doesn't feel like this is right. It almost, if this doesn't change something in a big way, and I know the Hall of Fame came out and made a statement, but to this point, Hall of Fame, if this guy doesn't go on the first ballot, I mean, the integrity's in question.

And you never want to say that about something that's lasted as long as the Hall of Fame. but is it emotions now? Like if you hurt my feelings, I'm not going to vote for you. If you hurt my feelings personally, those people can't, like, that can't be the reason he's not in. If there's a legitimate topic that's beyond debate, indisputable fact that you say, hey, this happened, this happened, which means he does not deserve to be a, in the Hall of Fame on the first ballot because of these things.

And that's a strong argument that, hey, and I know the deflate gate and the spy gate and all that, that, even if you said, hey, we'll take away those two Super Bowls. He's still first ballot. He's still first ballot. Like, I just don't, that's where it's like, I hear you get cool, make those arguments. And still, if you took those away, it does not change his resume. to the point he's not a first ballot Hall of Fame coach. So it's frustrating.

Obviously, Tom hears it. The Hall of Fame reached out. They didn't really say much, but that's all I got to say about it, man. That's ridiculous. Hopefully they do the right thing and make this right. Hopefully this is all just conjecture and rumors. And when the class comes out, Bill Belichick checks on it. That would be a pretty wild PR move on their part.

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He ultimately ends up in Cleveland. But the bigger story here is a guy like Jim Schwartz, who truly wants to be there, wears his emotion on his sleeve, week in and week out, led one of the top defenses in this league, the only bright spot of the Cleveland Browns team for the last few years, does not get the job.

Richard, let's start with Jim Schwartz not receiving the job. And then we can talk a little bit more about Todd Monkin. Your initial thoughts when you heard Jim Schwartz was not the new head coach of the Cleveland Browns. Insane. Insane. With the amount of people that took their name out of the hat for this job, including Udinski, who just pulled his name out,

it seemed like Swartz is to lose. The way his players speak about him. Like, those are things you can't measure, the respect and regard that your best players have for him. And I'm talking about Miles Garrett. I'm talking about Denzel Ward. talking about the defensive players that are foundational pieces to this organization. I think they took him for granted.

And I think he feels that way. I don't know him. I didn't have any conversations with him. But I think he feels that way. Because when you have a top five defense, top 10 defense, just about every year, regardless of how your offense competes, regardless of how they play and how your defense shows up, Their defense is giving him a chance. And for them to basically treat him like an afterthought and say, hey, we know what we got with you.

But we want to go out there and get something new. We want to get an offensive guy. Couldn't he hire an offensive guy? Like, Todd Munkin was on his way to be the OC for the Giants if you hire Swartz. Like, can't, can he, you can easily hire. an offensive coordinator to do this. Like, if you're saying this, it's almost like a damning statement

against Swartz's ability to lead men. And as an organization, you're saying, you don't think he can do it. And we've heard all these rumors about the Browns's process and they got all these psychological tests and written tests and all these things that they want to use,

all this information that they're compiling to evaluate these candidates. But you can evaluate, Swartz without all that. He's been there long enough for you to evaluate him. And what you're saying is he's not the guy. I think if Swartz goes to another team, a contender who's out of a decontor right now, I think he has a head coach's job within the next two years.

And by contender, I'm thinking of the San Francisco 49ers. And I would imagine Kyle Shanahan is on the phone right now. whatever you need. Hey, you don't want to be sitting in the AFC North in the freezing cold in November, then come over here to the San Francisco 49ers. You don't want to have your team treat you like you don't deserve to be treated,

treat you like an afterthought. Then come over here to the San Francisco 49th. I know Kyle Shanahan is going to make that call. He has a tremendous amount of respect and after losing Robert Sala to a head coaching job and showing a pipeline for his D-Corporonators to be elevated to head coaching job. You talk about Dabico Ryan.

You talk about Robert Sala twice. And even my guy, Jeff Hathley, who was on the staff in 18, like is now a head coach right now for the Miami Dolphins. So there's so much there. If Jim Swartz ever wants to coach and be a head coach again, now, sure, he has to come in and understand and figure it out, you know, what works for his family, what works for his, you know, do they do their personality?

work. But and all that to say, does Cleveland even let him out? It's an ugly situation. Like, do you keep a coach who doesn't want to be there? Like, are you going to force him? Because he said, hey, if they don't give me the head coaching job, I'm out. And once you say that, and some guys are stubborn to that point. Like, he feels disrespected.

And do you want a guy in there that's sitting there feeling that way in that building? Like, feeling like he's been undercut, like he's been undersold, like he's been underappreciated? I don't think you do. and to hire somebody within the division is probably another slap in the face for him. You know, that's a guy, that's an offensive coordinator. He's been game planning against for years.

Like, that's almost a rival. And you hire a rival above me, over me, like, I'm not working with that guy. And that's what it seems like he's saying. And so I don't like this. I really don't like this for him. I don't like, and I don't know if they're going to let him out. And that's going to create another issue for the offseason. Like, well, I'm sure we're going to talk about Chador.

We've got to talk about their whole quarterback situation. Now it's Shador's name to the Pro Bowl. So now you've got a Pro Bowl quarterback, Pro Bowl rookie quarterback returning for Todd Munkin. And you can't say it's going to be a quarterback competition, can you? With Dylan Gabriel and the pro bowler, Shador Sanders? Is that going to be a quarterback competition? I doubt it. What is Dishon Watson going to do?

That's what Todd Munkin's walking into. Like Deshaun Watson's making a lot of money. and he's going to be healthy. It's going to be a healthy, probably healthy scratch every week. Or do you think he can play? What happens if Deshaun Watson goes into practice and he's healthy and he starts to play like the old Deshaun Watson? And you got him for $50 million guaranteed.

You can't get rid of. Then what? Then what do you do? You know, those are the conversations that are going to be had. But it just seems like this decision injects dysfunction into the Browns. It injects dysfunction that wasn't necessarily there. they've been so focused on outside candidates. They did not appreciate Jim Swartz.

And it seems like he feels hurt by that. And we'll see if they can repair that relationship. I don't think they can. He deserves to feel hurt, Richard. This was a guy, like you said, there was numerous candidates that just flat out removed their hat from the ring. They didn't want any part of being in Cleveland.

This was a guy who was already there, who was successful while he was there. He was the only bright spot of this team that defense was, and he led that. And he's a fiery guy. He's a Midwestern guy. Richard, he coached in Detroit. He was a bright spot in Detroit. He helped at least make the Detroit Lions competitive.

I could see him doing the same thing with Cleveland. You know, a feisty, fiery defense. He'll figure out the offense, like you said. Richard, whatever the Cleveland Brown's front office is doing, whatever analytics, whatever, whatever they're doing to come up with these decisions, from all to personnel standpoint, from a coaching standpoint, they just need to pick it up and huck it out the window because it's not working, man. I mean, this is the same franchise that let go of Baker Mayfield.

They picked them number one overall just to let them walk. And then they go out and basically mortgage their entire future for Deshawn Watson. And we don't even need to talk about what he was doing off the field. Reality is that Baker Mayfield was more capable. And another guy that absolutely wanted to be in Cleveland. and they just said, yep, see you later. We're going to go with the Sean Watson. When you're an organization that has struggled as much

to Cleveland drowns as has over the last several decades, I feel like you should probably go with the guy that really, truly wants to be there and wants to change that culture. That's just my opinion. Yeah, he's a guy, like some coaches just look the part. And Swartz looks at the part. Like, rugged, outdoor, in the cold.

He knows the environment, knows the city, He knows what's going on, knows these players, knows a heartbeat of the team, has a feel. Maybe he's a little abrasive. I don't know. I'm not in that building. I don't know how those conversations go. He tried to fight Jim Harbaugh when he was with the Detroit Lions.

He's definitely. That's what I'm with that. He's abrasive. I'm with that. I mean, you look at Robert Sala. He was ready to fight Liam Cohen after that game. I mean, it gets hot. People take this game serious.

This is real life. But he's been there. He's shown you success. And you're talking about analytics, Mitchell. In 2024, they won three games. This year they won five. I don't know if analytics is the answer out there. Sometimes you need to go old school ball coach.

Sure, the year before they won 11 games somehow. But like, you have to figure this thing out. And I don't know if this decision does anything but piss off your players. I'm sure your fan base is indifferent. But you lose your D coordinator. You're behind. It looks like you're going to lose your special teams coordinator to the Rams. Like, I'm not sure if this decision elevates the Cleveland Browns.

And this has nothing to do with Todd Monkin and his abilities, but has more to do with the guy you may be losing because of the decision you made. It's almost a subtraction by addition. I know you hear it the other way, but this is what I'm saying. We'll see. Well, Jim Schwartz and San Francisco sounds really. really, really good. And I tell you what, San Fran would be blessed to have him as their D.C.

Let's stick with the Cleveland Browns a little bit more here. Shador Sanders, you talked about it got named to the Pro Bowl. I think he was like the seventh or eighth alternate. Bigger discussion here. I know you're a huge fan of Dion Sanders. You have a lot of respect for Shador, and you've spoken so highly about him over the last couple of years. I mean, realistically, I don't even know if we need to go into it.

Shador doesn't deserve to be a pro bowler. I think that's a statement of, fact. The bigger question here, Richard, is we talked about the credibility of the Hall of Fame. I mean, what does this do for the credibility of the Pro Bowl? Well, I mean, the Pro Bowl has no credibility as he is. You know, but, you know, I'm happy for Shador. You know, I think this will be good for the pro ball because of the attention and eyeballs that Shador brings. People will watch because he's playing. A lot more people would watch because Shador is playing than they would watch if he didn't

play. And that's just. just the fact of the matter. You know, he has star power, he has a lure, he has oral, all those things. So it's good in that respect. But I think, in my opinion, something needs to change in terms of being credited with a pro bowl season when you're not voted on the initial ballot. I think if that changed, I think that's fair. Like, instead of everybody, hey, no matter if you're the seventh alternate or 10th alternate,

it just says pro bowl. I think it would lower a lot of guys Pro Bowl numbers because alternates don't count against the actual like accolade Hall of Fame. Now, I can't say Shador doesn't need to deserve to play

because he was voted by both the players and however it shook out, he'd go into the game. So I can say a lot of things didn't deserve to happen. I don't know if he deserved to go in the fifth round. I don't know if a lot of these guys deserve to be picked over him, you know? But it is what it is.

It's how it shook out. and he's in a pro bowl game and it's going to make it a more fun game and a more entertaining game to watch because he's in it. More people are going to watch. More people are going to tune in to that game because he's playing because he's a polarizing figure

in the National Football League, just like his dad, the great Dion Sanders, prime time. He's a polarizing. Either you love him with all your heart or you don't care for him. I mean, I feel like I'm that way. You know, you either love me or you leave me alone. But it is,

what it is. I think if they stopped giving credit for alternates, like let him play, hey, that's how it shook out. It went down the list. He's the one that wanted to play. I think that would help the pro ball. And it's validity and its integrity and the way people see it because the guys that got voted on the initial ballot are considered pro bowlers for the year. Now, whether they play or don't play. Now, if they don't play and everybody else plays, then cool, those guys. Those guys, guys get a chance, get the honor, get the money that comes with playing in the game, get to go out there and have fun, but it does not count as a Pro Bowl. Because you did not get it.

You did not get it on the initial ballot, which is the only way you're named a Pro Bowl or in it in the old ways. You know, it's not, hey, who played in the Pro Bowl. It's who was named to the Pro Bowl. And so I think that's the change that would help the credibility of the Pro Bowl, allow whoever to play. If guys back out, you need guys to play in the game. But if you're giving them the same accolade that you're giving the guy that was voted on in the first place, I think then it loses the allure.

It loses its power. It loses its substance. And because then you got 100 pro bowlers in a year. You know what I mean? You got you got 60, 70 pro bowlers. And you're like, it wasn't that many pro bowl players in a national football league. It's it becomes participationy. Exactly.

And to that point, I mean, I feel like your line of thinking is the way it should be. It's so obvious. You name a Pro Bowl team. You give those accolades to the players, much like they do with all pro team. And if they don't show up, so be it. That's their decision.

That being said, do you ever think, just for the sake of keeping the Pro Bowl accolade at a high regard, do you ever think they're just going to scrap the Pro Bowl? Do you ever think they would just go to that line of thinking? These are our Pro Bowlers, and that's it? no, because it'd be the only major sport without an All-Star game.

And I think that matters to people. You know, I think the, the, the optic of seeing, you know, the best players in the National Football League on the field together competing against each other is an optic

that NFL wants to keep going. Now, it's not necessarily football, but with the increased value of flag football because of the Olympics and all that, then it's still something people will tune into and be entertained to see their favorite players to play one more football game and see them in a different element, having fun and doing things.

And so I don't think they'll ever do that because it takes away a fan experience in a way for fans to continue to interact with players in an environment that's different than what you would expect. And I think the league values that and players value that and players value being being treated like a pro bowler. There's certain activities during a week. There's certain things you get to do when you get to take your family and your kids. And so I don't think they'll do away with it because then it's just an emptiness. You know, it almost gives the league a bit of a black eye when talking about these games because imagine the NBA without the All-Star game. You'd be like, wait, where's the All-Star game?

Like, sure, these guys don't play and you're changing it up and doing all these cool things. But if they just took the game away, you'd be like, I don't know if that's the right call. Fair enough. We'll see how it all pans out. I mean, they are trying to keep it fun. They are trying to keep it cool. I think one idea, Richard, throw an average Joe out there for flag football. Let's, you know, all these guys that think they can play in the NFL, let's see how they

can really fair in flag football. That's an idea for you if you want to bring some pros v. Joe's. Let's talk about some more coaching hires. This was an active week. We saw Joe Brady go to the bills, you know, get promoted. Steelers signing Mike McCarthy. A bit of a head scratcher surprise. Jesse Minter goes to the Ravens.

And then finally, the big splash, John Harbaugh goes to the Giants. Which one of these hires stood out the most to you? I think Mike McCarthy. I mean, it's great for him. He grew up as a fan of the Pittsburgh Steelers. I think this was the greatest chance that they bring back Aaron Rogers, as if they hired Mike McCarthy and not that Aaron Rogers is going to be playing.

for much longer. I don't think he, but I think he plays for another year because of Mike McCarthy and a familiarity there. Obviously, Pittsburgh is going to have to draft the quarterback this year because I don't know how much gas he has left in a tank, but I think the relationship there helps. He's an established coach that has won a Super Bowl. He has over 60% winning percentage in the National Football League. So it's not a terrible hire, it's just different than what you would expect it for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I thought they would go a defense. guy. You know, I thought Flores or Anthony Weaver seemed like guys that they would go with, even mentor. I thought he would be a guy, Chris Shula with the Rams. I thought he would be an option

for him. So, but Mike McCarthy is a fine hire. I think it's safe. I think it's similar to what the Atlanta Falcons and Matt Ryan did. You know, they went with a safe, established coach that you're not going to get a lot of flack for it. It's just not going to cause a lot of excitement to the fan base. But also, you're not going to sit there and be like he struck out, you know, hiring a coach that has won a lot of games in the National Football League. Just like Atlanta Falcons, hey, a two-time coach of the year, you're not going to feel like you totally struck out hiring a two-time coach of a year. Clearly, he can do it at a high level if his team is talented enough and you give him a good enough roster and some structure. He can get the job done. So,

So Giants hiring, John Harbaugh, I think they felt he was the best coach in the hiring cycle. A lot of teams would have felt that way. They went all in on him really early and went full court press, and they got their guy. Joe Brady seems odd because I'm pretty sure we saw some Buffalo Bills fans, and I'm not saying it was a large contendant, but it was a loud contingent, calling for his job throughout the season at times. And so to go from calling for his job to him being the head coach, you know, if things don't go well early, you could see that, you know, kind of unraveling pretty quickly. But he's had success just about everywhere he's gone, great relationship and rapport with Josh Allen, which helps the continuity there. But again, you feel like it's a safe pick, and that's what they wanted to go with. that whole process was kind of strange to me, and we spoke about it earlier, but I mean, a few

episodes ago, but Brandon Bean, you know, that, that conversation and the way they talked about the conversation between Brandon Bean and McDermott and Pagula in the ownership group and how he basically said, you guys didn't give me enough to win a Super Bowl, to be a Super Bowl roster. and instead of saying, okay, that's true, we were a little banged up, and the GM Bean could have done a little better of a job, they said, no, we're firing you because he's done a tremendous job and you haven't. And I just don't know if that's the right answer.

Like, I feel like it's about even. There are some things McDermott did well with limited roster. There are some things, some players that Brandon Bean drafted and brought in that helped elevate this team to where they are. But I don't feel like you should have, there's a world where you fire McDermann and you don't fire Bean. But they did. And then you hire from within.

So it's almost like a double, you're double punishing McDermott. It's an indictment against McDermott. Because you're saying, hey, we got everything else we needed. It was you. You're the issue. You're not a good leader. That's why our team struggled.

And I'm not sure that's entirely the truth. I'm not sure that's a lot of people would agree with that statement and we'll see. I agree with you. I mean, you look at the Buffalo Bill's roster and there are so many voids in that lineup. And we talked about it all year long. They're receiving core. I mean, you got one of the best, one of the top three quarterbacks in the NFL and you surround him with minimal weapons. That falls on bean.

And then to double down at it from Pagula's standpoint, I know we talked about the last episode, but I just can't get enough of he goes and publicly, you know, criticizes Keon Coleman and then basically says that Bean was pressured into drafting him by the coaching staff. You know, like, what is this? It makes no sense to me. I'm with you. Back to Mike McCarthy. I think the Steelers are strategic in this hire.

And we've talked about bridge quarterbacks. I think Mike McCarthy is the perfect bridge coach. I imagine they're going to bring in somebody that they feel will be, They are apparent to Mike McCarthy that he can kind of groom and bring along at OC or D.C. But, and like you said, his familiarity with Aaron Rogers makes a lot of sense. And then Jesse Minter with the Ravens and up-and-coming, rising, you know, young, defensive mind. I mean, much like Mike McDonald, you can kind of make sense as to why they made that decision. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.

And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts.

Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerner Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court-side seat to the French Open. Listen to the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Now, there are two big jobs that are left open right now, one being in Arizona, the other in Vegas.

They have not been filled. I know they're going through the interviewing process, but why do you think those positions haven't been filled? Is it a lack of desire to go there as a coach, or do you think they're just still mulling through their options at this point? Be honest. Would you go there? I would go to Vegas. I'd go to Arizona. Hell yeah, man.

I mean, just vacationing. Yeah, yeah, ma'am, yeah, yeah, yeah, see, yeah. No, Mitchell, I don't think that's not an attractive jobs. One, Arizona Cardinals, I think they have talent. I think you have quarterback uncertainty. That's scary for any young coach that's trying to break into this industry. Maybe you'll get a coach that's desperate to get a job, you know, looking for a big payday because you're going to have to pay them.

And then, cool, you'll take that job. But going into the NFC West, that's a gauntlet, and it's not going anywhere, you've got to go against Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh, and McDonald over and over, and that's just for a chance at the playoffs. I don't think that's the job I'm signing up for. And then if you look at the Las Vegas Raiders, so the Chiefs aren't going to be down forever. They're not going to be down forever.

They're not. And then you would expect them to come back. You've got to go against my homes. then you got Herbert, who you got to deal with. And then the Denver Broncos were just in the AFC championship. And if their quarterback doesn't get hurt, they're likely to go into the Super Bowl. So you really want to sign up for that? Again, quarterback uncertainty.

You got the number one picking a draft, but is Mendoza the answer? Is he a guy guy? Or is he a guy that you need to surround with a really good team? Now, if you talked about the Minnesota Vikings drafting Mendoza, I'd say, oh, that's going to be a pretty, that's going to work out pretty well for that kid. He's got a talented defense. You got two talented pass catchers. You got a coach who can scheme it up and you can get the ball where it's supposed to get. Now, you put him on a team without that, without a lot of offensive weapons.

You got a tight end. You may have a running back. You got a highly drafted running back. How's the offensive line? I don't know. The defense covers bare. And so when you talk about from that perspective, perspective, what coach can go in their young coach where you're getting your first opportunity,

and again, they've fired each of the last couple head coaches in their first year. Like it's just been fire, fire, fire, fire sale. And again, that's a scary predicament. Do you really want to put your family in that position where, hey, things aren't going to go well, and this isn't a great setup to begin with. And if you don't do well in your first year, you're going to be fired. again, these are the things that come when you continue to fire head coaches and don't give them a chance to make up for their mistakes.

People wonder why Aaron Glenn got another opportunity because it just looks so dysfunctional to keep firing coaches after the first year. Like it looks bad. It means you made an awful decision the first time and you're trying to get out of it. But when you keep making awful decisions, then they stop thinking it's the coaches and start thinking it's you. So that's a job somebody will take because you have to, but it's not anybody's first choice.

I want to talk a little bit about the Detroit Lions hire at OC. They hired Drew Petzing, Arizona Cardinals' former offensive coordinator, and it was met with a lot of question marks by the fan base. A lot of criticism going Dan Campbell's way. Fans, you know, wanted Mike McDaniel. And rightfully so. I mean, it's got that cool factor. hey, Mike McDaniels, this is an offensive genius and mastermind.

But I'm on Ross St. Brown, you know, stood up for his coach, Dan Campbell. But he also offended some fans in doing so. On his podcast, he said, fans need to relax and let this thing play out. Most of you guys referring to the fans don't know really much about anything about football. Richard, first and foremost, your thoughts on this whole hire, Drew Petzing. I know you're not entirely familiar with him individually, but just looking at the Arizona Gardner's offense, there were some bright spots over the last couple of years.

And also, I'm on Ross comments. Well, I mean, I can understand where both sides are coming from. You know, when you're paying attention to the National Football League and you're hearing about all these big name, quote unquote, big name offensive coordinators coming out, you're really excited. You're like, man, get us one of those. Get us, it's like a name brand shoe. It's like, man, get us to Nike.

you know, new Nike, whatever it is. And it's like, I don't, I don't want the off-brand, whatever shoe that looks like the Nike and probably it's just as good, but I don't, I haven't heard of that. It's not been advertised in the big magazines. But it's probably just as good and probably made by the same people.

It just doesn't have the Nike logo on it. And I think if you go back, four years, maybe, five years, I guess, six years maybe. Did you know who Mike McDaniel was? Did you really know? Like, did you, did you know he was the one game coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers? How often did you hear his name? Like, you know who he is now, but when he got hired by the Miami Dolphins where you're like,

who? Like, don't use now. Don't use now and try to, try to re-litigate it, but go back, just try to do that exercise with me and go back in your brain and think, when he got hired, did you really know who he was? And how often does that happen? There are some incredibly talented offensive and defensive minds in this game. And not all of them get a ton of press. Not all of them are on the biggest teams or on the biggest stage

or even at the forefront for you to hear about them until they get hired. But I don't think these teams are making knee-jerk decisions. I think these guys are doing their due diligence in a team like the Detroit Lions that has been incredibly proficient offensively and has a quarterback that can get the job done at a high level, I don't think they're making a knee-jerk reaction. I don't think, I think when they brought McDaniel in, they had conversations with him,

they learned what they needed to learn, and they said, hey, I love it, but maybe it doesn't work for what we're trying to do. Like some schemes don't work with certain personnel, not that the running backs, but maybe it doesn't work with the offensive line you have. Maybe running, you know, the scheme that they have that he has, that he would be successful with.

mind you, Jared Gough, I think, can play in that scheme. He can play in that offense because he has. But maybe it doesn't work. Maybe the personalities don't work. And they have to work with each other all. They have to depend on each other. And so you have to understand that. What I think Amman Ra is speaking to is that, like, you don't know every coordinator and every scheme and every guy. And just because it's not the big guy, big name guy that you want doesn't mean he's not going to be able to do the job. Like if we're looking in the Super Bowl right now, you got you got Clint Kubiak, who was anybody really high on him before he got to Seattle this year? Like, you know the Kubiak name,

you know because of his father and what he did, but were there many people clamoring to get him as their offensive coordinator? I'm not sure. He got hot now. He's hot now because his team is successful. His scheme is successful. He's doing a, fantastic job in Seattle.

But again, I think people get so enamored with the press and the headline names that you see that you forget. Like, there are guys out there grinding. And a lot of these guys came from grind, the Matt LaFlears, the Mike LaFlears, the Kyle Shanahan's, the McVeigh's. They were quality control, worked themselves up, worked their way to get to where they are. And you didn't know them until you knew them. And so just I caution you to before going out and being like, man, this guy sucks. Who is this guy? Because sometimes those are the guys that blossom.

And then you're sitting there like, man, did you know who Dave Canales was? Please tell me you knew who Dave Canales was. Because Dave Canales is the head coach for the Carolina Panthers. And I knew him when he was the receivers coach at Seattle Seahawks before he was the quarterback's coach for the Seattle Seahawks. But you didn't. Now he's a head coach. And now he's doing a pretty good job. So just, again, I caution because not every guy whose name you didn't know is a bad choice.

Dave Canales, love it. How about Brian Dayball, Rich, going to the Tennessee Titans. You know, this was, they must have loved Cam Ward or he must have loved it. The Giants offered the number three pick, 2026 first rounder and multiple day two picks last year to the Titans for the number one pick in order to select Cam Ward. obviously the Titans Klein that offer. Dayball is going to the Titans and helping out your boy Robert Sala. What do you think about this hire? Robert Sala surrounding himself with another guy who's got a ton of experience,

obviously former head coach of the Giants. Your thoughts about Sala's move here? I love it. I love it. Established offensive coordinator who can do it at a high level with a quarterback. He wants to do it with a quarterback that he studied well and he clearly had a lot of respect and regard for and went outside of his way to try to acquire him before they obviously acquired Jackson Darden,

and he went that direction. But I like it. I like it. If he's that high on it, then who am I to be upset? I think Robert Sala is going to give him the reins of the offense and allow him to run it the way he wants to run it. He's going to run the defense. I'm not sure if Sala's going to call plays or not. But it's as good of a move as he could have made.

I mean, I think if you get McDaniel, you feel, comfortable with it, but you get day bowl, you feel great. And how about Mike McDaniel ultimately ending up with the LA Chargers? It seems like a good fit on paper. He can still wear his jorts out there as joggers in L.A. It makes sense, you know, just aesthetically. But your thoughts as in execution here. We'll see.

I think Jim Harbaugh has evolved a lot since the guy that coached me in college. And it seems he's done a better job of being flexible and going with the flow in terms of reading the room and reading the personalities of his personnel and coaches. Because if he was a guy that I knew in college, I'd say it'd be a bit of a clash of personalities. Because both guys are really smart, both guys, but Jim has a way of doing things,

and this is an alternative way. And I think McDaniels is going to show him an alternative approach to coaching that he may be unfamiliar with, but he's dealt with guys who are more, you know, these offensive geniuses who are a little more quirky, as the word I'll use, than what he's accustomed to. You know, he's an old school football coach, old school grit and grind, grinded out kind of guy. And I think Mike is more of the new school analytics, a creative scheme,

a creative way to approach the game, an offensive genius, a run game, savant. And I think Jim obviously had a lot of respect for his presentation and how he showed that he can manipulate a scheme and how he understands the game and how he sees football because he has a brilliant way and a brilliant mind for seeing this game and being able to manipulate the defensive personnel to have success. So I think it's a hand-and-go-fit. He'll be great for not only, you know, Jim and what they want to do, but he'll be great for

for Herbert in his development and making the game easier for him and his development. You know, he said something in his initial press conference, like he has all the talent in the world, but we don't want to always depend on him to make these incredible throws. I want to put him in situations where, hey, sure, you can do that, but I'm going to give you a lot of layups too, a lot of down-the-field layups where the guy is just wide open, and every now and then I'm going to ask you to be special, but I'm not going to depend on you being special for our offense to be what it needs to be. He's got a lot of weapons in L.A.

And with the healthier line, look out for the Chargers next year. It could be really exciting in L.A. for them. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, Nick? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas? guys. I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it and... Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering. that guys listen to hey jonas on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast just listen we don't care where you hear it another podcast from some s nl late night comedy guy

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We can't go a full podcast without diving a little bit into the San Francisco 49ers. Let's talk offseason, San Francisco 49ers. There's going to be a lot of questions. How do you revamp this team? Obviously, you got to get healthy. One of the questions is you, if you are John Lynch, do you resign Joanne Jennings or do you know, maybe use that money elsewhere?

Maybe reinforce the O-Line with a guy like Tyler Lindrebaum from the Baltimore Ravens. You know, what direction do you think the 49ers should go this offseason? I think you start building an offensive line that can move people. And sure, Jawan Jennings embodies everything you want for the San Francisco 49. It's that offense where Cal Shanahan preaches. He's a guy that works hard. He does things the right way. But can you find another is the question, what does he get on the open market?

And I think you allow him to explore that. I think you keep the phone lines open. I think you keep communication. don't think you're the first. I don't think you, I think you let him walk out of the building and let him, let him see what he can get. Now, I think you try to try to match it if it's, if it's fair, if you think, hey, man, that's a low enough number that we could stay in the fight and hope that you didn't burn the bridge by letting him walk. But I think getting a guy like Tyler Lindenbaum, it would be Linderbaum is a great pickup. But I also have concerns about why Baltimore let him

walk. You know, I, we got to, you got to do your due diligence and figure out why would they let a 25-year-old three-time pro bowler and former first round pick get out the building because rarely are those guys available and for that reason they're they're they're dependable they're durable um they're they're what they what you what you expect them to be and you're going to be paying a high price tag with the injury history of the san francisco 49 is you got to make sure you you make sure you open every door and peek under every every every mat and peek into every corner to make sure this guy is is going to make it through the football season every single year uh if you're going to pay that much money because of just the history that you've had.

But I think that is a move you make. I think offensive and defensive line is where championships are won. I think you can find receivers, and maybe they use Mack Jones to help them find their number one receiver in some way. Maybe there's a lot of quarterback needy teams, and we already mentioned the Minnesota Vikings, but the New York Jets, like, hey, is Wilson available? Like, can we get a Mac Jones? and a pick for Wilson?

Like, is that, is that, is Garrett Wilson available? That's the conversation you're going to have to ask. And they've been, they've been sellers before. I mean, they got rid of Quinn and Williams. They get rid of Salt Gardner. So that's a conversation that you're going to have to have. And an offensive coordinator going to the Jets is going to want some security. Hey, I need an established quarterback.

I think Kevin O'Connell was going to be the first call that, hey, is he available? Because I know he could come in here and do the job. All right, he could be our quarterback that gets us through, to make sure we know we have stability and we know are all pro receivers happy. What are you willing to give for them? I don't think you give Justin Jefferson, but can you give Addison?

Addison has some off-to-field issues. The San Francisco 49ers? I don't know the answers to those questions. But I think those are the things that you're going to have to explore, but I think solidifying the offensive line, finding a pass rusher, finding two, you can never have enough of them,

is priority over wide receiver. I know they need to get faster. They need to get more talented. They need more speed and all that good stuff. But if you can't block for the $50 million quarterback, then none of it really matters. Richard, it's finally Super Bowl, I guess lead up to Super Bowl week. You're no stranger to playing in the Super Bowl,

having played in three of them. Walk our followers, our listeners through what this week really means. What are you doing as a player this week? I know next week everyone's in the Super Bowl host city. practicing grinding and out are you guys resting relaxing film study getting your mind right getting your body rested up or what are you guys doing are you guys practicing walk us through really what goes on this week in leading up to the Super Bowl Mitchell you party you go out makes sense you don't lock in at all you just just have a good time you're happy to be in no no I mean

you lock you lock in first the first initial shock you get through uh the uh the The first day, you're dealing with millions of texts from all these people. Hey, it's tickets, tickets, tickets, man, congratulations. Congratulations. Super Bowl, living a life's dream from every person that you've ever known. Then it's like, hey, could you help me with this flight? Could you help me with this flight? Could you figure out the people?

Like, this is by Thursday. You need to figure out who's coming, what they're doing, where they're staying. Their flight situation, are they riding on the team playing? Are they staying at the team hotel? Figure all that. Where's your massages? who, you know, you deal with the guys that are in charge of player personnel and player development and make sure that you have your systems in place for next week so that you can have a week

like you would have at home. Hey, things are in place that you get your massages the same day. You get your acupuncture. If you do game ready, if you freaking have a therapist you see every Wednesday, make sure that they are there. And then in terms of media, I think. Mike McDonald would be doing it the right way. He'd probably shut down media this week for the most part. You don't want a guy, a young guy who's never been in this situation to say anything crazy

heading into the most chaotic week of their lives. Because in a second, everybody's going to have to answer questions, not just the big time guys who have a stage that the 68th guy on the roster, practice squad guy who just got here a few weeks ago, is going to be sitting there at media day and somebody's going to put a mic in his face, and he's going to have to answer questions. They're looking for somebody to give bulletin board headline material, and they do not care who gives it. So I think Mike McDonnell is going to keep things under wrap,

keep his team working, keep them consistent, make sure everybody's healed up, everybody gets the treatment they deserve, everybody's fast and flowing. We focused on endurance, especially the first Super Bowl, because we were facing Peyton Manning and those guys, and they ran this really fast, up-tempo offense,

so we were running gassers. We were making sure that our conditioning was where it needed to be so that we had no reason to tap out of this game and we refused to lose that way. We're going to be able to stand toe to toe to toe to those guys. And I think we took so much pride in that because there was a couple really long drives where there were 13, 14 play drives

and their receivers are tapping out of the game. And we're talking crap to them the whole time they're going to the sideline. Like, hey, this is the Super Bowl. Y'all are supposed to be this big-time offense running all these fast plays and y'all are tapping out in the Super Bowl. Like you're bringing backups in in the Super Bowl. Understand we don't respect you.

We don't respect that because y'all not man up. Hey, stand up. Stand up and come out here. Be in shape, be in shape because you can't be tired in the Super Bowl. We don't get to sub. That's what you got to appreciate about defensive backs. There's no sub for a corner. If the drives 18 plays, I'm out here for 18.

Now, they might go goal line where they got to bring the big guys in and then we got to go to the sideline. But outside of that, we're in the game. So we conditioned, over-conditioned for that game. The other Super Bowl, we were banged up. The other Super Bowl, we were banged up. I had a getting the MRIs and x-rays and treatment just to make sure we make it to the Super Bowl game in Arizona.

But both teams are relatively healthy. They're excited. I think both coaches are similar in the mindset that they want no distractions, no nonsense. Hey, let's get to this game and let's win. And I think that's what Mike McDonald's is focusing on. Obviously, there's mandatory appearances during the Super Bowl week, mandatory things. And it's a lot for guys who don't usually deal with media.

And I think for this Seattle team, there aren't a lot of big time personalities where you're going to be like, hey, this guy's going to be on the podium. This guy, like we had a ton of characters on our team. You mean they don't have a Richard Sherman and a Marshaun Lynch on the roster, Rich? Right, right. That's pretty much what I'm saying. But you're going to get to meet some of these guys. You're going to get to hear them.

You know, the world's going to get to meet some of these guys for the first time. So it's going to be really cool. That's one of the really cool things about the Super Bowl. But this week, it's making sure people get their tickets, making sure people get situated where they're supposed to be. You try to go on to next week, not dealing with any of that. Like when you get to Santa Clara, to San Jose, that is done. That is done. When they get on the plane Friday, I mean, Sunday, it should be a,

all done. The tickets, the flights, everything booked, no distractions. Don't call these kids and be trying to like, oh, man, I messed up. Can such and such come? No, it's too late. Like, it's too late. Stop distracted. This is about to be the biggest game of their lives. You don't want to go out. You don't want to miss practice. You don't want to be late to anything. And I don't think Mike McDonald's going to have those issues. Well, Richard, it's always a pleasure. And breaking news with the Richard Sherman podcast. We will be in San Francisco and we will be doing more content for you guys, more podcasts along the way leading up to the Super Bowl. Richard, it's always a pleasure, my man.

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