The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - BLACK MONDAY REACTION: Raiders fire Pete Carroll, Browns fire Kevin Stefanski | Richard Sherman NFL

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

Richard Sherman reacts to a chaotic NFL Black Monday as teams across the league make significant coaching changes, including the Las Vegas Raiders firing Pete Carroll after just one season and the Cleveland Browns parting ways with Kevin Stefanski, a two-time NFL Coach of the Year. Sherm analyzes the Raiders’ ongoing dysfunction and the Browns' reset once again and explains why the Atlanta Falcons, New York Giants, and Tennessee Titans face very different levels of opportunity for new head coaches. He also examines the Arizona Cardinals moving on from Jonathan Gannon, the Falcons firing Raheem Morris and GM Terry Fontenot, and perplexing roster decisions by front offices — from Kirk Cousins and Michael Penix Jr. in Atlanta to Kyler Murray’s uncertain future in Arizona. Sherman and Mitch discuss Max Crosby’s frustration in Las Vegas, the Browns’ quarterback situation with Shedeur Sanders, and which top coordinators (Brian Flores, Jeff Hafley, Mike LaFleur, Clint Kubiak, and others) are ready for interviews. A comprehensive breakdown of every firing, every opening, and the real story behind the NFL’s Black Monday coaching chaos. All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Black Monday. We got to talk about these firings and potential hirings. These Raiders, these Raiders, Mitchell, look, they can't get enough of a bad thing.

They love paying people that don't play for them, don't coach for them, and I know. Mark Davis, and I can't wait to talk to him about this because I don't know many people that pay as much as he does for people not working for him anymore. But, you know, those are the kind of relationships he has. And I don't know if I want to be a part of that. But some of these are really good jobs.

I think the Atlanta Falcons is a good job. I think there can be an argument for the Arizona Cardinals job for somebody. Not me. Not me per se. But the Tennessee Titans. Well, Richard, I'll say this. Pete Carroll, talk about a heck of a retirement plan for him, man. Goes over, coaches one year with the Raiders, makes his earnings that year and gets a cool $16 million to set out into retirement, man.

Let's get into some of these. Your guy, Pete Carroll, fired after one year by the Raiders. Kevin Stefansky gets kicked to the curb. Jonathan Gannon fired by the Cardinals. Rahim Morris by the Falcons. Brian Cahillhan, obviously in season by the Titans, dayball in season by the Giants. Richard, before we get into the nuts and bolts of each one of these openings, what is your favorite opening?

If you were a head coach, which team would you most want to land at? If I was a coach, I'd probably want to land either with the Falcons or the Giants. I just feel like the Falcons have a lot of weapons offensively. We could talk about Bajon Robinson. We could talk about the guys Pierce and the guys they have defensively that they drafted this year. I think this was a fantastically underrated draft class that they had. the quarterback situation, you're going to need to bring in a veteran. Is Pinnock's going to be the guy?

Who knows? Thank goodness you guys kept Kirk Cousins. He played really well in some of those games and gave him a chance to win those games at the end. And I thought they did enough to say Rahim Morris's job, but obviously not. And the one thing I do like about this is that they didn't just blame Rahim Morris, because I don't think it was on him. I think he deserved another year. I thought his team was fighting for him.

They hadn't given up on him. they were ready to go into the next season with some momentum, winning that last game in the season, and you fired a coach. I don't think that's the right decision, but you fired Terry Fontenough. And I think the reason you fired Terry Fonton, though, is what we talked about, one of the most head-scratching moves in the NFL in a number of years,

was you pay Kirk Cousins, $50 million coming off in Achilles' injury, and then you draft a quarterback in the top 10, a move that doesn't make sense in terms of roster building. Now, there were some other movements, that he made that made a lot of sense. This draft class, I thought, would have been enough to save his job. But the quarterback is such an important position, and he tied up so much money in Kirk Cousins

and so much draft capital at the same position that if it doesn't work out, it's going to cost you your job. And I'd said that when it first initially happened, and look what happened. It didn't work out. He got fired, and you get your head coach fired. And I think that's the most frustrating part for me is you get Rahim Morris fired.

and it's not necessarily his decision. But I have to live with the decisions a GM makes. That's why I don't think a lot of the coaches are going to be excited about this Giants job. Because, I mean, Joe Shane, you're not going to go into that job trusting that he's going to make the right decisions. He has, he's made some good decisions,

he's made some obvious decisions, and guys, you've got to draft. But letting Sequin Barkley walk and just all the footage of surrounding it, it's going to be a bad look for years to come. And any coach coming in, there aren't many established coaches that are going to come in and be like, so he's making all the decisions, he's making all the calls. I don't have any say so.

No, I'm not taking this job. And so it's going to limit their field. So I'm interested to see how that coaching search goes because I can't see an established coach saying, hey, I'm going to go in here. And yeah, this hierarchy works for me. Maybe a young, desperate coach, but not a great one. What is your least favorite job opening? Because obviously there's a couple that stand out, the Titans, the Browns, the Raiders.

Obviously, a couple franchises that have been dealing with internal battles. You know, you got a lot of questions in Cleveland with who's going to be the quarterback. Is it Shador? Do they go a different direction? Do they keep Dylan Gabriel and have a QB competition? The Raiders, which are a complete mess. They're turning through coaches like it's nothing. And then obviously the Titans, I mean, ever since they fired Mike Vrable, got rid of A.J. Brown,

Derek Henry, the franchise has been in the dumps. But let's talk about this Las Vegas Raiders, because I have a feeling you're going to go that direction, Richard. Your thoughts on your boy, Pete Carroll, getting dumped after one season. I mean, we knew it wasn't going to be a long-term higher for them, given his age, but did you see this coming after one season? I didn't see it coming. And the reason I didn't see it coming,

because I didn't think they would be that impatient. Like, sure, this was a rough year. Obviously, Chip Kelly wasn't the guy. They thought he was. I didn't think he was the guy for the job when they first hired him. He's shown that his system doesn't necessarily work in the National Football League. It works in college, and it works well in college, and that should be celebrated. But it does not work in the National Football League.

So it's odd that Pete would have hired him when he's played him. We've played as an opponent, and we've had a lot of success against that system. So I thought they would give him another chance, another year to continue to establish the culture. you're also knowing that they're paying other coaches, your previous coaches, a lot of money. And now you add another coach to that. They're paying now Antonio Pierce $8 million. Josh McDaniel, $10 million. John Gruden, $10 million.

Pete Carroll, $16 million. And Chip Kelly, six, who signs up for that? Like, you don't, that's why you don't fire. If nothing else, you don't fire him because you don't want to be paying another coach to not coach for your team. And I think that's the thing, the issue that I have with all of this is what are you guys doing?

How do you think anybody's ever going to have success with this? If you don't give them more than a year, and it just looks like malpractice in terms of running an organization in every way. Because, sure, if you keep Pete, you're going to have some rumblings and rumblings the all season about, hey, is he the right guy? Is he going to hire the right coordinator?

But there's so much impatience in this world. It's such a microwave society. Hey, we don't get wins right now. We need to change. That has not worked for you. That didn't work when you fired McDaniels. It didn't work when you fired Pierce. It didn't work when you fired Pete Carroll.

It's not going to work. Stick with somebody. Right wrong or indifferent. Give them a few years to figure it out. And if you're not giving Pete Carroll, like after a while, it seems like it's you. Mitchell, it seems like it's you. When it keeps happening and you keep firing guys, then it might be a Raiders problem and less of a coach's problem.

Like, it's a reason you keep doing it, and you're not going to have success doing that. I think that's a lot of what's wrong in today's society that, hey, things don't work out immediately. Players don't work out immediately. Cut them, fire them, transfer. Like, I'm uncomfortable. Like, be comfortable and uncomfortable.

There's so many things that have become great because guys were patient and they worked on it and they grinded at it. They stayed at it. If you gave up every time something didn't work, out immediately, Mitchell, we wouldn't have anything in this world. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

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week because the transfer portal is open in the college football world. And there's 4,000 players in the transfer portal. They said that 33% of college football players are in this portal. And from what I saw, it was like only 60% or 40% of those players will end up playing D1 football next year? I mean, it's absurd. Richard, I know this is a NFL podcast, and we only talk NFL, but you got to talk to me about this college football transfer portal, because to me, it's getting outrageous. I saw a kid is getting paid, I believe he's from Sincere, getting paid to go to Texas Tech,

making something like $5 million next year. He's going to get paid more than a first-round draft pick would. How ridiculous do you think this is, or do you like this new era of college football? I like him getting paid. I don't like them chasing the money. I don't like people being able to transfer after one year because you're uncomfortable because you didn't get the starting job that you didn't deserve. I don't like kids just saying, hey, I don't want to have to fight for anything.

And if you're not going to just give it to me on a silver platter, I'm walking away. Like, what does that build? What does that build in these young men? And that's why I like what Sean Payton and the Denver Broncos did because this last draft, they said, hey, we're not drafting guys that transfer. We're drafting guys that played over 40 games for their respective teams, and they stayed put and they fought through it. Hey, they got through what they need to get through.

Because in a national football league, you're not going anywhere for three, four years, not good players. If you're a good player, great player, all pro player, you're probably not leaving. You're not leaving for five, six, seven years. You're going to see a couple contracts if you're really great. And if you're telling me every guy we draft, nobody stayed anywhere more than two years, three years,

then how can we expect them to stay here that long? How can we expect to be able to keep them occupied? And so I think it's creating a problem in the national football league, but you also give credit that Denver Broncos are drafting right, developing right, and look at them. Number one seed in the AFC with a very young team, young quarterback. Obviously, Bo Nex is a different story. He drafted Bo Nex, and he transferred and played about 12 years in college.

So clearly the draft strategy has, has, It is adjusted and evolved, but I think there has to be some kind of rule. Like back in my day, you know, feeling like an old guy in a Pactean, you couldn't transfer without sitting out a year. And it deterred a lot of that. You could not sit, if you transferred, you're sitting out a year. And if they put a rule like that, hey, if you transferred, you can't transfer again for a year. I think it would change the entire portal.

if they said, hey, if you transfer, you got to stay for at least the year, at least two years. I think it changes the whole gang. And if they're going to have to do something to fix it because this is giving guys too much of an easy way out. And then some guys are leaving college and never coming back. They're never getting picked back up. You think the grass is greener and then you end up without grass. You're on the streets. Concrete, asphalt, under your feet.

Now where to go. now you're looking dumb trying to call back your old school man i want that old thing back but they don't want you feel it's your spot baby like that's the world we living in kids don't be so quick to go nowhere because you might end up nowhere preach richard preach i they need you on a soapbox somewhere richard i'm with you man i see these kids transfer and every day you just got to wonder what do they think grass is not always greener on the other side what happened to the days of old where you're staying in school three years. You know, you're a redshirt junior

and you're finally starting. Like, that's when the DNA of these teams really starts to take over. It's a shame because I think the true college sports and the pride of being an alumni of these universities getting sucked away when you're rooting for guys that you don't even know year and you're out. But that's enough on that topic.

Let's get back to Pete Carroll, Richard. We talked about it last year before we got hired on with the Raiders when he was let go by the Seahawks. What do you think is next for him? I got a proposition for you. Richard, you need an in-week co-host. And I would love nothing more than to have Pete Carroll be your in-week co-host. You guys, we love you guys.

We love our listeners, our subscribers. If we can please get it some bandwagon, some momentum behind getting Pete on this podcast routinely, Richard, that's me putting my voice out there for this to happen. Hey, I would love for that to happen. He's a great football mind, a great football. human, a person that loves the game and has been with this game and part of this game for a very long time. I would love to be a part of him be a part of this show and continuing to educate the fans about what's going on in this league, his thoughts. And I'm sure he would have something to say about how things shook out in Seattle and with the Raiders.

So I bring my father for that. Before we leave the Raiders, Richard, there's one other question. Max Crosby was a little ticked off to say the least that they did not let him play in the last game. In fact that he walked out of practice, do you think the time is up for Max Crosby in Las Vegas, especially seeing what we're seeing with Miles Garrett in Cleveland? You know, I know the guy's going to get paid. He's already gotten paid.

I know he's going to get paid a lot more. But something tells me Max wants to win. Do you think it would make sense for the Raiders to trade Max Crosby, given the state of their franchise right now? It would make a lot of sense. I don't think Max Crosby is going to go. He's the quintessential rater from the, from the heart. He's what they desire.

When you talk about a Raider, Al Davis would be very proud that he's a raider. And so I don't think he's going anywhere. He doesn't want to go anywhere and they don't want to trade him. So I don't think that's much of a talking point. He's frustrated because he's a ball player, a true old school guy. I want to play every snap.

I don't, he's not a guy who would take rest days, Mitchell. He doesn't seem like a guy if he was in the NBA where he's taking the vet days and he's taking the rest days. Oh, back to back, I'm playing every he's playing 82. So I think that's just his personality, but I don't think he's going anywhere. I think cooler heads will prevail.

He'll be a writer now. Richard, you know where we went to college? Where do you go, Mitchell? In my home state, Eastern Michigan University, man. He was an eagle from Eastern Michigan University. And you know what? He donated so much money to the school that they named the field after him. So that goes to show you the type of player that he is.

He played in the Mac. He rose above everything, all this adversity. Unfortunately, my Detroit Lions did not recognize the talent in their own backyard. But kudos to the Raiders, man, because he's a hell of a football player or someone I would love to have on my team, no question about it. Let's turn the page to the Cleveland Browns. Kevin Stefansky, two-time coach of the year, gets the boot in Cleveland. A lot of people saw this coming.

Who do you think is happier? Cleveland fans to see him go or Kevin Stefansky to get the heck out of there? It's probably mutual. Mitchell, this is one of those mutual partings where I think it had run its course. This was not a microwave decision. They gave him time, multiple coaches of the year. he did some good things in Cleveland. I think both sides can walk away saying,

hey, didn't go exactly like we planned, but we had some good times. Remember our good times. We'll hug and we'll walk away. Cleveland's a tough place to win. You can tell by the record in the history of the franchise. It's a tough place to win. You can tell because Bill Belichick felt like it was

where he should send his players when he didn't want them anywhere. It's a tough place to win. But they do have talent. They have a talented defense. They gave everybody hell. And you can see Denzel Ward, he wants Jim Swartz to be the head coach. Because they have played great defense.

I don't care. Every offense that walked in there to Cleveland would tell you and give them a lot of respect. It's a tough out. Now, offensively, we'll be nice and say they're figuring it out. They got to figure out who the quarterback's going to be, what the system is going to be, what the identity is going to be. but they got Judikins. I think he's a good player. I think Fanning's a good player.

I thought Shador showed some flashes. I think they still got really good offensive linemen, and they could always use more. You can never have too many good offensive linemen. But yeah, I'm not sure. I think Shador should be the starter going into the season, but it's clear that they're going to change a lot of things going forward. So we'll see if the next coach feels the same way.

And you already touched on the Falcons, and you listed them as one of your favorite spots. But Terry Fontano, and I know we talked about it briefly, but going back to that head-scratching decision with Kurt Cousins being signed and then ultimately draft in Michael Pennix Jr., that's got to be the Achilles' heel that finally snapped with this relationship,

seeing what this season came down to. There's a lot of weapons in Atlanta. And like you said, this team, they technically tied for first in their division, Richard. The NFC South, one of the best divisions in football, They tied for first, man. So, you know, we got to see what happens in Atlanta. I agree with you.

I think that's the best spot for any aspiring head coach. But what do you think about these Arizona Cardinals? You know, that was one that I was more surprised to see. I know Gannon didn't have the best run there, but, I mean, he obviously dealing with Kyler Murray. That's not a hand that he was necessarily happy to be dealt, and especially with that injuries there. But do you like Arizona's chances?

Do you like that position at all for a head coach? I'm going to address that in a second, but are you all right, Mitchell? I'm good. What did I say? You just called the NFC South one of the best divisions in football, so I just wanted to make sure what you got in your cup over there, Mitchell? Hey, I'm drinking some sparkling water, Richard, but I stand by that, man.

The NFC South, this is the first team, the first division, have three, you know, first place teams, technically if you think about it. So I'll let you think about that for a little bit. Some places, Mitchell, first place and last place, don't look that much different. But that's the story for a different day in a different night in a different fight.

But Arizona Cardinal's job is not a job I wouldn't want either. They're trying to figure out how to get out of Kyle and Murray's contract. They found a very creative way to tell him to sit down and go home. The offense runs better when you're not here. So what do you do when a new coach comes in? Kyler Murray is still under contract. He's going to expect to come back. you drafted Marvin Harrison really high, so you hold him in high regard,

but Michael Wilson is the best receiver on that football team. And so there's so many things that are issues with that team. A lot of talent. I think there's talent on both sides of the football, but the way things are perceived by the outside world versus the actual on the field, who's the best player? Like, you need to draft the quarterback. You clearly can't win with Kyler.

Like, Kyler's had some good games. He's had some success in the National Football League. Is he the answer in Arizona? I don't think so. And it's for a number of reasons. But I also think forcing the ball to Marvin Harrison Jr. When you have better receivers on the football field is also an issue. But you have to force it to him because you drafted him so high.

So I think so many things like that are going to have to be an issue. So you've got to get a coach with a pedigree and with his own resume. to be able to come in here and say, hey, best men play, and we're throwing the ball to whoever is the most effective on this football field. And then we can play. Maybe Marvin Harrison becomes the best receiver out there for that team, but he's not right now. So it's not a job I would sign up for.

The NFC West is really tough football. You've got two of the best coaches in the National Football League there, three of the best coaches, honestly. And Kyle Shanahan, Mike McDonald, Sean McVeigh, you're stepping into Murderers Row. In terms of Kyler, Murray, do you think he's a guy that there would be a market for? if they opened up a trade for him. I'm sure there would be a market for him somewhere

because he's a serviceable NFL quarterback. I think he can start. He can win some games. He's exciting. He's dynamic with the ball in his hands. But he's also shown a propensity to lack the leadership that you expect at the position. There's been concerns about his preparation going into games

and things like that and question marks that he'd have to answer. for another organization. But I'm sure right now if the Jets don't get the guy they want in the draft, I mean, some of the guys they put that quarterback this year, I don't know, or starting for the JV team out in Texas,

but, you know, whatever. And before we leave this subject, Richard, who are some of the guys to keep an eye on here? Like the perspective, offensive coordinators, defensive coordinators that we vying for these head coaching positions? My guy Jeff Haffley is going to be a name that gets a lot of love. LaFleur, Mike LaFleur, not the Matt LaFleur that you guys all love in Green Bank. It's going to be Weaver out of Miami.

Stefancy's going to get some love. He's going to get some conversations. No question about that. Chris Shula out in. out in L.A. I'm missing. I'm missing. Who am I missing? I saw Matt Nagy's getting an interview. I'm not 100% sure about that, but he's getting an interview.

Debo, Brian Debo will get interviews. I'm missing some of these offensive minds. Help me out here. You think Robert Salah gets another look at all, Richard? Oh, Sala will definitely get a look. I think he'll get a look, but he'll be very selective with where he goes. He has his eyes on certain places,

and I'm sure he could be very selective, we'll say, with Kubiak. Yep, Clint Kubiak's getting interviews out of Seattle. So there's a number of guys that really have a chance, and we'll see. Everybody wants the next offensive genius. Everybody wants the next great offensive mind, and we'll see how that works out. Oh, Flores. Flores is getting a lot of love, a lot of attention.

We're hearing his name in a lot of places. So we'll see. Maybe Flores gets the Raiders job and turns them into a defensive juggernaut and have some fun. Well, Richard, a sad day for a lot of former head coaches. But, you know, exciting times, I guess, for all these teams looking for new head coaches. It kicks off Black Monday, as they call it. Richard, it's been a heck of a time talking about this with you. I will let you sign us off, my friend.

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Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments.

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