The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Broncos' Riley Moss on WILD road to NFL starter, Pat Surtain II, Denver's elite D | Richard Sherman

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Richard Sherman sits down with Denver Broncos cornerback Riley Moss for an honest conversation about his journey from a two-star Iowa recruit to an NFL starter. Moss discusses the “white cornerback” narrative, learning from Patrick Surtain II, dealing with questionable PI calls, and how Denver’s defense became one of the league’s toughest units. The two analyze techniques for facing elite receivers and the upcoming game against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs.   All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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in which there were more homages to enslavers than there were to enslave people. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. I got another incredible guest today. Cornerback Riley Moss at the Denver Broncos. Appreciate you joining me, brother. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me.

Anytime. Anytime. So we go, you know, everybody tells me to avoid the white corner thing. And I'm like, why avoid it? You know, it was history in the making when you and Cooper DeGine entered the league and both of you guys came in playing at such a high level. You have such a tough task each and every week, obviously. Patrick Certain is out right now, but being opposite of him, you get a lot more targets and you

stand up incredibly well. Just talk me through your journey. Yeah, you know, it all kind of started when I was, honestly, it was travel team football, dude, like middle school. I had a coach, he kind of threw me at DB because I was like one of the faster kids. I played receiver and then corner. And I did this, the FBU thing. If you know, FBU is like the football university. It's kind of like the youth football like there's a bunch of camps and stuff so did that um and continued kind of trying to play corner mostly because people were telling me like you know typically you know the white kid really doesn't play corner and so i was kind of like yeah let's let's do this thing so um you know come to high school you know i i end up um you know playing corner in high school and and doing the camps

You know, I went to, I only went to college camps that, you know, had contacted me, right? So I went to Iowa and then I went to a lot of FCS schools like North Dakota State, North Dakota, U and I, all around the Midwest. I was only really a two-star recruit. I wasn't getting very much attention. I ended up, you know, getting Iowa late. And it was a blue shirt, I believe. So it was, you know, they didn't have a scholarship for me then, but, you know, down the road when one opened up,

was going to be the first guy to get it. So I end up going to Iowa my freshman year, bawling out my first summer and end up, you know, earning a scholarship and kind of the rest is history, right? Like I end up starting as a freshman, which honestly I didn't think it was going to happen. You know, I was the last kid in my recruiting class, right? So end up, you know, kind of chipping away, balling out. And, you know, my first start against Minnesota, you know, I got two picks, which was crazy. So, It was kind of a wild, wild journey, but I end up balling out at Iowa for five years and, you know, got drafted the third round to Denver.

So, and here I am. Ankeny was putting them out for a little while. Ancony was, you know, not just at Centennial, but a number of guys got out of there and played Big Ten football. And it seemed like he ran into a bunch of them at Iowa and obviously a few at Purdue. Yeah, yeah. You know, Brody Brecht is the name that comes to mind. And he actually got drafted to the Rockies to play baseball. But he was a dual sport at Iowa, played receiver and then played baseball.

So, yeah, Ankeny's got some athletes for sure. Speaking of that, people don't appreciate high school football enough, but you guys played against the number one team in your state, in your division, and you were able to win that game, big time upset from what I understand. But that seemed to be the moment, like, you jumped on everybody's radar. especially Iowa, when guys really understood that you could play at a high level. Talk to me about that because I remember the moment where things started to click for me, especially at DB where it was like, hey, I think I can do this at a high level.

And a lot of it came down to getting the football. And when the football is in the air, not everybody, as you know, not everybody has natural ball skills. Some of these dudes act like they got two left hands when the ball comes. But you were a natural early on. Yeah. I think, you know, the biggest thing was just kind of going out there. and having fun and flying around.

And the success kind of came with that. You know what I mean? Like it just followed that. And I never tried too hard to make a play. It always kind of just came to me. And, you know, a lot of guys say, like, you're living right. Like, I think I'm a big believer in that, dude. Like, sometimes because that ball just finds you and can't explain it, but it's great.

No question about it. It's tough. And this year, there's been a little bit of scrutiny for P.I. And for fans out there, corner is the whole. hardest job only got a dang field. So a penalty or two is going to happen, but I still feel like there's some biased against you. I feel like at least four of these calls that could have, could have not been called at all or gone another way. But in Vance Joseph's defense, like you've got a tough task almost each and every down, man-to-man coverage, tight zone coverages, and you got the

lowest completion percentage against you this season, 44 percent, but the highest amount of targets in the league. I mean, I don't think you're getting appreciated enough for the job you're doing. But why do you think that is? Yeah, honestly, like the PI calls, listen, like, I'll be the first one to point a finger at myself if it's PI. Like, I'm not delusional, you know, but I would agree with you. There are a couple that were, you know, alleged. But also can't allow that to affect how I play, right? like, you know, VJ will say, like, we're okay with, we're okay with, you know, athletic physical play.

We're not going to tell you to shy away from that. You know, obviously, you know, don't be stupid and don't be blatant about it. But there's definitely been a couple alleged ones, but you got to play through and now let it affect you. But that's kind of like, you know, the entire mentality, though, of our defense is fly around, be physical. you know, don't even think about it. Just go and play football and whatever happens kind of happens. No question about it. And your defense is playing incredibly well.

Last week, I just, I want to know how the meetings went after that game. You guys only allowed seven points in the game. And even that, it was in the first drive. You didn't allow much after that. It looked like this defense is hitting on all cylinders as the season, in the middle of the season comes upon us. what are those conversations like after this game? You know, I think the biggest thing for our defense is not trying to reach perfection,

but always trying to improve. And, you know, we gave up seven points, and that's seven points we don't want to give up, right? Like, you know, the stats look good and all that, but there's still stuff that we can work on and continue to get better at. and being able to stay hungry, you know, you know, like it's a long season. And you've got to be able to continue to improve and be the team that improves the most, you know, each week because, you know, that's why we're sitting where we're sitting

is because we continually and rapidly, you know, improve. So I think that's the biggest thing for us. We talked briefly about Patrick Sertan when we did the sit-down interview. But obviously, I'm a huge fan of him and I'm a huge fan of you because when you watch the tape, you got to see him and you can't happen, you can't help but to watch you and the incredible job you're doing. But were there a ton of things that you've learned from him, I mean, technique-wise or patience or, you know, because I felt like each and every day, I felt like I could learn something from somebody, whether it was a practice squad guy. I mean, I watched a ton

of tape on a keep to leave when he was in Denver. I learned some stuff from just about everybody that plays because it's such a nuanced position. And you cover these receivers enough. You're like, hey, you can see somebody's trick. And you're like, hey, I need to put that in my bag because it was really effective. Do you feel yourself doing that with Patrick Surtan and you guys bouncing ideas off each other? Yeah, a thousand percent. You know, I think we have that conversation each week, you know, at practice, you know,

I'll ask him questions about the prior week. You know, he might have made a play on something. You know, how did you see that? You know, what, you know, you were outside leverage, but his split was also like outside the numbers. So like how did you know you were getting that nine ball fade? You know what I mean? Like things like that.

And, you know, it's good to be able to bounce off off each other because we play a little bit differently. Obviously everyone's different. You know, he's long and lengthy and very patient. And I try and mimic as much as possible, you know, that same type of thing. But at the same time, you know, I'm not six three and, and, you know, long, you know. And so there's things you can pick up. on some guys and also, you know, watch around in a league as well, like you said, like, you know, McDuffie and Kansas City, you know, there's some things that, you know,

he's a little bit shorter guy, but he's quick and twitchy and, you know, there's some things you can pick up off him too. So I think the biggest thing is just being able to look around the league and try and, you know, take one or two things from certain guys and put it your bag, what he said. You talked about when you got to Iowa and how quickly you felt comfortable. Obviously, you started in your first year. and, you know, I had two picks in your first game. When was the moment where you felt comfortable in the league, where you, but not comfortable, but felt like, hey, man, I could play because I don't know about you.

I won't speak for you. But when I got to the league, there was a moment where we were in the game. I think this was my first start. And we had the Bengals, and I had AJ Green and AJ came talking cash and, you know, kind of telling me about myself, this is my first start. I'm a fifth round pick, 154th pick. He's number five picking his draft, I think. And I got a pick, I think.

I think first or second quarter, and it was like, it turned me up immediately. And so at that point, I was like, hey, I could do this. I can do this. And I can play as long as I want to because I feel comfortable in this moment. When was that moment for you? I'd say my first pick against the Raiders last year, my second year. You know, it was kind of that, like you said, like, you know, I could play in this league. And, you know, I can dominate in this league, not even just play.

I can dominate. And, you know, the biggest thing that I've realized about myself is, you know, just because they were drafted ahead of you or the media covers them more doesn't make them, you know, Hercules, right? Like, they're still bleeding red, right? Like, they're the same as you. And it just depends on your preparation and, you know, how much time you've put in. And, you know, I think that's the biggest thing for sure. that's awesome was there ever was there any like welcome to the league moments where you felt like oh my god this guy's legitimate dude we were playing the the seahawks um first game the season last year um i can't remember who the running back was but i thought i was you know i was obviously outside you know keep everything inside of you setting an edge and took off like you know i think i'm a pretty

fast dude and he hit the corner and was out of there. And I was like, cool how like, yes, yes, it was Kenneth Walker. Yeah. Um, hit the edge and just took off. And I was like, oh my God, like, you know, they're getting paid too. So this, this ain't no, uh, we're playing, uh, Northwestern or, you know, this ain't no big head. This is, right. This is some real deal stuff. So, right. No question. He got some next man speed. No question about that. Um, there's some incredible wideouts in this league, but you get to against an incredible whiteout on your own team. Cortland Sutton, obviously underappreciated guy.

But I remember we did a joint practice versus those guys in 2019. You know, I'm an old man, so I got to take you back. But I had never in my life got lost. Never. Not once in the league. I think I might have had one close in college, but never in the league. Never in the game where I go jump ball and I don't win. And we were in the middle of a practice.

I'm having a pretty good day, you know, knocking it down. Cortland gives a release, goes nine ball. You know, I get in the pocket, get my shoulder in front of his. I look up, routine interception. I go up off my foot, feeling good about it. And then I just feel pressure on my shoulders. And I'm like, what the hell is going on? Like, I know gravity ain't got me.

And next thing you know, I see hands above my head and pluck over my head. I said, who just did that? Never in my life. But got to, look, ever since that day, I'm a Cortland Sutton fan. Boy, you got a fan in me. Dude, he's strong. Like, it's, like, in practice, like, in camp, I remember this year, like, he does a good job, like, at the top of the route of pushing off. And, like, you know, like, better than anyone.

They're not calling, refs aren't looking for that, calling that. So, like, I'll get a dig and, or a curl, and he's strong at the top of the route. he's long. That's what makes them really good. And then, of course, you know, like the fade ball, like you've seen this year, he's caught multiple, like, heavily contested fade balls. Like, the deed he was in great position and he just kind of big bodies them. Like, he's, he's gotten really good at, you know, what he's good at, if that makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. It makes a lot of sense. Outside of McDuffie, obviously, watching his tape and watching a lot of the guys.

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Champ Bailey and Revis and Dion and Charles Woodson are all some guys that can play at a high level. I don't want to go the Jason Seahorn route. He's not the same type of corner issue, but that's where they want me to go. That's two cookie cutter. We can't do that. It's too cookie cutter.

Yeah. How are you talking? No, Dorel Revis for sure. I grew up a Jets fan, which is kind of wild. I'm from Iowa. But, you know, Dorel Revis. And then I'd go low-key, like high school, probably you, to be honest with you.

I appreciate that. Yeah. Not just because I'm talking to you. I'm not going to give you that. But, like, honestly, like, for sure, you and Dorell. And obviously still, you know, trying to, trying to emulate my game after guys, you know, but currently. But, yeah.

Okay. I just really want people to appreciate that the job you're doing and the job your defense is doing, your D-line is full of dogs. And that makes the job a lot easier. I mean, they still don't make their job totally easy because they get blocked sometimes, too. And if they got time, you got to go, you got to stand up. But talk talk to me about that defense in Benito and Cooper and Zach Allen and Strannad and all these guys that can get after the pastor.

I mean, Franklin Myers. You know, it's a defense full of junkyard dogs is the best way I put it. Like they don't care if it's pretty. They're going to go and fly and hit you in the mouth. And I think that's why we're such a good defense is because, you know, from the D line to the backer, Just to the back end, like, you know, guys are flying around. Hufunga is going in there to knock you out. Brandon Jones, same thing.

And, you know, that makes our job a lot easier on the outside because, you know, you got guys, if we're setting the blitz, you know, it's balls coming out, you know, pretty fast. So, you know, the front guys have done a phenomenal job as you guys, you know. Kub and Benito are absolute dogs. Same with Zach. DJ Jones does a great job. fill the gaps. So, you know, just top down, you know, everyone does their job well. And, and, you know, we kind of build off each other, right? Like, we're playing for each other. And

that's why we've seen so much success. Yeah, no question about it. I mean, you guys are playing as a complete unit and it's cool to see. I really appreciate your time. I know it's your off day and you got things to do, people to see, places to be. If you got any questions or anything you want to talk to me about, I can talk to corner play all day until the cows come home. because, I mean, it's a fun position. It's a really tough job. It's a thankless job because you could have 59 good plays and on that 60th play. If they hit you, everybody's going to tell you how terrible you were.

You know, it's a what have you done lately job, but you're playing it at a really high level and I see you. Yeah, I appreciate you, you know, giving me some Rosen stuff. We got some work to do still, though. So it'll be, I'm excited. I'm excited for our team, excited for our defense. keep chipping away. Got a big one this week with the Chiefs coming to town. Yeah, that's going to be a fun. That's going to be a fun game. And talk to me, I guess, about the challenge of a game like this, a tough division opponent against a team who's been so

consistent and so good and been in the Super Bowl five of the last six years. Yeah, you know, it's always the Chiefs, right? Like, it's always going to go through the Chiefs. And, you know, we've been close to the sweep the last two years, right? But, you know, it's time to get over the hump. and, you know, they're a great team. They've got a bunch of great players, and they're going to come in here hot, and we're ready for it. It's going to be a great game.

We're excited for challenge. I love it. I love it. I can't wait for that game. It's going to be a great matchup. Last question. What do you think of Sean? It sounds a unique character,

and if you've never played for him or had a conversation with him, Sean is funny, man. Yeah. No, I love Sean. You know, he's a competitive dude, and he's easy to play for, because, you know, he wants to win so badly and we all want to win badly. And he's done a great job since he's came here.

You know, I was his first draft class. He did a great job of kind of building the locker room first, having a bunch of good guys who could really feed off each other and are similar-minded people. And then came, you know, the football and, you know, kind of growing as football players. But it all really started with the guys that he brought in to the locker room and building that culture.

And, you know, year three, and this is where we're at. So he's done a great job, and he's a good coach to play for it. Well, it's a great season so far. I hope it continues. Hope you guys are able to pull out the dub this week. That'll give me something to talk about on this great podcast. I appreciate you joining me and spending your off day with me. Yeah, absolutely.

Thanks for having me. Anytime, brother. Enjoy you. Enjoy yourself. We'll see you next time. Hey, guys, it's us and the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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