The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Champ Bailey on GOAT cornerback, toughest WRs to guard, Broncos & NFL stories | Richard Sherman

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

Hall of Famer and Denver Broncos legend Champ Bailey joins Richard Sherman for a masterclass on playing cornerback in the NFL, from his “welcome to the league” moment versus Michael Irvin to chasing greatness through 15 elite NFL seasons. They revisit legendary battles with Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, Larry Fitzgerald, Megatron, and more, and break down why Charles Woodson is the most complete DB to ever play the game. Champ explains how practice separated him, what young corners get wrong today, how modern offenses and risk‑averse QBs changed the position, and why stats don’t tell the full story for shutdown corners. They also chop it up on the 2000s Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Baltimore Ravens defenses, Peyton Manning’s historic Broncos year, the impact of refs on games, and how to build a “perfect” DB with confidence, athleticism, and true playmaking ability. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast, and today we have a legendary guest, a 2019 pro football, Hall of Fame inductee, one of the most dynamic and dominant football players to ever play in the National Football League. 15 seasons of domination at the cornerback position, 12 pro bowlers, 12 pro bowlers, 7 all pros, and a member of. of the 2000s all decade team. Champ, appreciate you joining me, brother. Hey, man. Good to be in the presence of greatness, man. How you doing? I'm great.

I'm great. I'm great. I got you on the show. I'm feeling good. It's a beautiful day for me. So much great football to talk about. Let's get to it, man. Let's get to it.

So we'll start it. We'll start with what was your welcome to the league moment? Because I think people forget, you know, as great as you are and as great as you are, as great as players are, everybody has that moment that introduced them to the National Football League where you're like, oh, okay, they real out here. You know, the older I get, the more it becomes a season instead of just one moment. It was more like, okay, my whole rookie season, if I look at that body of work and who I had

to deal with, I had to deal with some dogs. First game in my career, Michael Irvin. Got it. Now, I haven't done anything in the league at this point. point. Darrell Green was the man, you know, on Redskins at the time. And they gave me the assignment. And I'm like, damn, okay. And it was more about our size, right? I was bigger. He was bigger. And man, look, Michael Irvin would do this thing. Now, he was good, really good. But now, if you know, he wasn't that fast, but he was deceptive. And he was strong, great blocker.

And speaking of blocking, he would do this thing where he would come off the ball. and just head butch you. So you got to think back there, I'm seeing stars. That ain't no concussion. You know, that's just part of the game. So I had to deal with that. So that was a welcome to the league moment.

Later in that year, I had Eric Modes. Now, a lot of people forget about Eric Modes, but I always have to remind people, man. This dude was a straight dog. Country boy, stronger than ox. And I never forget. I don't know if he was mad at me or what.

but I locked up with him on a run play, man, that dude had me over there past the Gatorade. The main thing I remember about it is I tweak my shoulder. And that's really what made me kind of go limp, and he just took advantage of it. But man, my shoulder has not been the same sense. You can think that's rookie year. And there was another moment earlier in the year

where I chased down somebody on a damn kickoff return. I'm on kickoff. I chase somebody down. And then we at the Meadowlands. And this was when they had that astro turf, like that carpet. And I stripped the ball. Paul popped out. I stuck my other arm on his waist to tackle him.

And boy, I drugged my arm on that turf. And I just had rug burns. And you already know, man. And it was in my like, in my, like, in my. elbow like it was all in here so every time i stretch it out oh my god it was the worst but anyway man it's always a collection of moments you know i got i got to say i thought out was somebody and then you hit that rookie wall and then you know we went on this little playoff well we went on this run to get in the playoffs and we won our division last game of the year against the 49ers man it was

that was the only time i went to the playoffs as a red skin but i never forget it because Because it was an up and down season, man. Them boys taught me some lessons that year. Right. That's exactly how rookie years goes. I remember I didn't start until the sixth game in the season, and it was really because everybody else got hurt. It wasn't because, you know, I was a fifth round draft pick,

and everybody in front of me just went down, dropped like flies, bang, bang, bang. And they threw me in there against Cleveland, and I'm wet behind the ears. I'm just out there like, hey, I'm pressing, putting my hands on everybody, and I'm just going to survive and tackle everything moving. I just remember, like, even the guys you don't even think about, like the fans, I can't say we don't think about as good because everybody in the National Football League is good. But the fans don't think about it as like, oh man, this guy's going to be a problem or problems. Like, just because you don't know them as big names, household names, every receiver in the National Football League has something dynamic about them.

There's something, there's a reason they're there and there's something that's going to give you trouble. So my rookie year, I just remember having so much respect for everybody after at the end of the season because I was like, every one. Yeah, everybody's good. Everybody's good. Yeah, that guy that you see on tape blocking all the time, he'll write you up. They give him something. They give him something. Don't sleep, but you can't sleep on anybody.

Nobody, nobody. But like we were talking about earlier, the game has so evolved so much. Who's your favorite DB in the league right now? Obviously, you watching Denver pretty closely, and Sartan is still the top of the class. I mean, Christian Gonzalez put on the show on the Super Bowl. those are two right there right and certain is you know hands down the best he's it's really his body of work you know he's obviously good right now but he's done it for four or five years now so to see him be so consistent I mean it's been amazing to watch because I never see him I never see

him get really tricked or just dominated like nobody's just like we all had our moments where guys are just catching the ball like yeah dang like what are my doing. This dude, he really, he really handles his own on a consistent basis. And you mentioned Christian Gonzalez. Yeah, he popped up on my radar. I was, when he went to the Patriots, when he got drafted, I was like, okay, I don't really know this guy, but I like his size. I like where he moves. You know, then he had his rookie season, and then they made this playoff run. And I really got to watch him. I'm like, okay, this kid could play. And I just like the fact that he makes plays but he's hungry enough to want to match up

and do all these other things that they ask these high-profile corners to do and he's on my radar for sure now and there's other cats I like I like my guy Denzel Ward like he consistent, been doing it for a while AJ Terrell I'm here in Atlanta so I get to see him a lot

so these dudes here they're fighters to me like they're not the biggest but I mean they play with the biggest and I love to I love their game. I love to watch. Yeah, it's fun. It's, it's been so much conversation about the shadowing, the receiver, and following

and all that. And I remember it was big and prevalent during the time I played and people didn't try to give me my just dude because they're like, oh, you didn't follow everybody. You didn't do this. And I'm like, bro, I do what the coach tell me to do. If you tell me to go get him, that's who I go get. They tell me to play this cover. That's what I play.

I go to the coordinator and be like, hey, can we play man every place or they'll stop talking? Guess what? He don't, he don't do it. You know what they call what they call? what they're going to call. You know, and I was one of those guys. Like, I was like, damn, I wish you would match up. I wish they would let them match up. You know, that's why, because

to me, matching up exposes you in different ways. Like, you can't just be one thing. So it gives you the opportunity to display your talents. And I never forget, you matched up on Antonio Brown one game. And I was like, okay, this is it. And I, for some reason, I'm watching this game.

Like, by the time I retired, you know, I catch games here and there, you know, but I watched that game. And I was like, oh man and i knew Antonio Brown has issues with long corners so for me I was like this gonna be a challenge for him you know just once I noticed it

and you you held your own and you know you gotta think that dude was on top of his game at that time I think he had 1800 1900 that year oh yeah he was he was doing it so every week you see that you expect that to happen against you you held it down I give you a lot of props for that one

I appreciate that but that was the thing about the the whole deal because when you play they would let you guys do it but the fans think oh man you follow one you guys just run cover one the whole time it's like nobody will play cover one when they call it but you don't just play man just because i travel over there way no mean i'm in man and at times it's it's it's a coverage identifier it exposes a defense if we do every time i move around with him we and man and i'm just giving us away like yeah and that's and that's what i'm saying about how you can you know show how versatile you are because you can

can't just play one side and match up with somebody and not know how to play inside. Like, you've got to know everything. And that's one thing I always prod it myself on. I want to know every position in this room because if my guy goes over here and I'm inside, I want to know what the nickel has to do because I know we can't play man the whole time. So if that's going to discourage you from calling a zone play when I'm inside, then that's going to mess up the whole game plan. So I got to be versatile.

And I was just lucky enough that I always played with coaches that allowed me to do it. I mean, there was a few I had to kind of talk into it. Right. Other than that, I mean, but I had established my reputation at that time. But I came out the gate, Michael Irvin, buddy. Like, okay. I just took that challenge, man. Right.

I took it every time they called on it. You know, there was a couple times they called me to do it with Julio, AJ. Okay. Yeah. Antonio, a lot of times in 2013, the year we went to the Super Bowl, they would call it for specific games. Like, we had Anquan one year, and it just made sense. Like, I'm following Anquan.

I'm in the slide. I'm outside, third down. They're going to him. That's where I'm going to be. Like, me and Anquan, let's dance. And Anquan, Anquan was one of them ones, too, that nobody gives no credit, too. Straight dog. Straight dog.

All game. Yeah, I never had to deal with him much because when he was in Arizona, I was. I was on fits a lot. Right. And then, yeah, right, another dog. And then, you know, when he got to Baltimore, they put me on the speedier guy, Anquine, and I think Chris Harris had him.

I mean, this is the back end of my career. But, you know, he, man, that dude, just watching him in college and all the shit he did because he played against my brother. And I think it was a sugar bowl. Man, he just, dude was doing everything for Florida State. So when he got to the league, I was really anxious to see how they used them.

And boy, they did not disappoint. That dude was a straight dog. Man, he was tough to deal. Super strong. You talk about the head butt release and all that. Oh, all that. And mean, and mean. You know, some dudes out there just seemed like they just got an attitude to the whole game.

And you're like, hey, bro, I don't know who did something to you. But hey, you ain't, I'm one of them. You ain't about to be bullying me out here. I put my hands on you. But I had to deal with fits all the time because he was in our division. So boy, you talk about hard lessons. My rookie year, I'll never forget. I never forget Larry Fitzgerald.

I'm pressed up. I'm like, this Larry Fitzgerald. Like I'm about to make a name for myself. Last game of the season, I got him. They threw one up. I almost picked it. I'm like, ooh, I'm strapping. And they always had him in this like motion cut split,

like allow him to be free. So they forced you to back off. And that's how they got me off of it. Boy, they back me off. That boy, ran that spray release. post got you got me one hand over the middle like I said it's nasty and then I pressed him later in the game we're in OT and I'm pressing him and he cooked the back of my helmet like he gave him and then hooked the back of my helmet boy next you know I'm chasing elbows and

so so he got by you so he did that to me they call OPI on his ass that's because you was a legend I was a fifth rounder. See, what I would do, though, I would go tell the refs. Like, if I see stuff on film, I go to the field judge and the back judge. I'm like, look, this dude does this, this, this, and this. Like, you're going to think I'm holding him off the line, but he's grabbing me first. I'm just trying to move my feet. Now, if I let him go, now, he's just going to run right by me. So I can't let him go. I'll be down if he didn't throw that flag in the game. I'm telling you, those little conversations used to help me every now and again. So it was necessary. I was telling, I was telling Terryon, Arnold, because they do this podcast together.

Oh yeah. And I was telling them boys, I said, get to know them refs, them side judges and them back, just know their name. Just know the name. That'll go a long way in these games. All you need is one warning. Yeah. Hey, John, how's the family?

I mean, whatever, bro. It's, relationships matter. I don't care where you are in life. Exactly. I feel the same way. I feel the same way. I wanted to talk about this because you said so much of the game about the game And you mean so much to this game.

And you're such a legend. Your voice has such impact. Now, you said at times you feel like this game is fixed by these refs and the things they do in the flags. And sometimes the fans take that and they're like, yeah, see, I told you it's fixed. And it's like, he didn't mean it like that. What do you, what, and I want to let you clarify it. But as somebody who played the game, the only people who can affect the game in that way

or the refs. Like people are like, the players, like, it ain't no players in this game fixing this game. Nah, no, never. It's impossible. It'd be damn too hard. You'd be sitting your ass on a bench before you know it. But if every time an offense has a big player, a ref throws a flag, you can have a tremendous impact on that game.

It only takes two, three, 60-yard touchdowns coming back that, hey, that offense might not score again. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I don't think there's some conspiracy or anything going on, but the rest do affect the game. I mean, one way or the other. Now, I got to tell you, since I've been retired, you know, the more I have to convince people like, no, it's not fixed.

It's not fixed. Now, you see things happen and you wonder. But again, like, refs are human. They're going to make mistakes. They're not going to get it right all the time. I just always felt like there needs to be more attention on the development of refs. And, you know, even some guys I know that play that are refing now. And it's funny watching them out there because I know how they used to feel about the

refs. I'm not going to name them. But, but, you know, it was always interesting, you know, who the refs are. But I always made it a point, like I said, to talk to the refs and build a relationship with them because they are the judges. It's no different if you in a courtroom, who's making the decision to hit them? A person right in front of you. Like, okay, they better like you on some level in order to get some calls to go to your way.

that was always the case. I mean, you see it in basketball more than anything, right? The superstar is going to get the calls. So it is what it is. And that comes with anything you do in life, man. People are always going to favor the ones that they've seen do it over and over again. That's just how it is. Now, if I said that, I don't remember saying that the game is fixed or the rest of fixing the game.

I don't know. Maybe you didn't say it like that. It was just, you were just like, I could see how. how people can feel that way. Oh, absolutely. I could get that. Of course, especially when you're on the losing end. Right.

And I try to be objective about what I see. Regardless, because I'm a big dog phone. No, there's no team I root for it harder than my bulldogs. So whenever we have, I'm sitting there yelling at the rest just like everybody else. I'm sitting there saying, oh, man, they must be from Mississippi because Ole Miss one. You know, so I'm the same way. But then I, you know, I calm down and I, you know, I get real with my life. itself and just realized we didn't play well enough.

Right, right. You set the standard for cornerbacks. I mean, you got 12 pro bowls to your name the most of any corner in the National Football League's history. You got 203 PBIUs during your Hall of Fame career. Looking back, what do you think really set you apart from everybody else? Practice. You know, it's funny, like the 203 breakups.

I mean, it's one of those things I'm really proud. about because it lets people know like how many times I got my hands on the ball right but it was the way I practiced and it was it was nothing it was something that I thought about my first two years or even worried about it was just what I did and then I never forget Marty Schottenheimer was like man I've never seen the guy get his hands on so many balls in practice and I'm like just out here doing what I do like I'm still young I'm 23 years old I don't I don't know what I'm doing I'm just out here playing this is what I've been doing since I was eight years old this is this is who I am but then when I got to Denver and Mike Shanahan I never forget I dislocated my shoulder my second year there and

Mike Shanahan took some film and was just showing the team because I came back to practice that Thursday I didn't miss I think I missed the Wednesday practice came back Thursday and I was practicing out there with a harness on. Yeah, I didn't miss no time. Because at that point in my career, I hadn't missed the game. Like, I hadn't missed no game into my sixth season. And I came out there and I got this thing on my arm and I'm practicing hard and diving on the ground and breaking up balls. And he took that film and showed the team. And he was like, this is how you practice. And that's when it really like clicked. Like, damn, you know, I'm glad that I'm the guy that he's pointing out. But I just never realized. like how important it was to be a great practice player. So I always prided myself on making sure that I set the example by what I did, right? I'm a leader at this point. So the way you practice rubs off on people, period. No question.

And to me, to be honest, once I got later in my career and the bumps and bruises started catching up, and I wasn't able to practice, my play declined. So now I'm not as good. And I contribute to all that, you know, declined to practice. and obviously Father Time a little bit, but I wasn't able to continue working at a high level in order to stay sharp, you know, and get my skills and make sure I'm prepared every week.

Man, I would take Wednesdays off. I mean, because I was hurting. I was tired. So that's really what forces a lot of guys out of the game. And I just saw one of my favorites, slave retire. I mean, I'm like, damn, boy, that Father Tom is undefeited because he was just on top of his game two years ago. Right.

So now you start seeing he moves on. to Pittsburgh and then you just, man, look, it's nothing that you could do about that clock ticking. It ain't never stopping for nobody. Nobody. And that's such a great point because I think that's lost on so many people in this NIL error and this and his highlight and clipped era is just consistency at practice. I think that was what gave me the most confidence when I was playing. I practiced really hard. I knew what was coming. I knew what I would see. I knew how my body will react. And And then I go into the game and I feel good. I'm like, hey, I know I practiced and gave myself the best possible chance.

I could go out here and let it hang. But when you don't practice, I remember I had a couple weeks where I got Nick and you're like, I don't feel as good today because I didn't go out there and put my body through it and know that, hey, I'm ready for this moment. I do this. I earn the right to play the way I want to play. And still, I still play pretty well. But as you said, later in your career, the less you practice, the less you feel good,

the more your game feels like it's starting to slip. It is inevitable, bro. It's inevitable, bro. It's inevitable. It is. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?

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and I tried to put them into my game, but then the game changed. Then the game changed. Then they, now they're protecting quarterbacks. Now quarterbacks aren't putting the football up the way they used to. Now the routes aren't the same. Now the game has evolved so much. Talk about the game and how you see it now compared to when you play. Yeah, well, like I said, man, the quarterbacks are a lot smarter.

They are highly protected. I mean, that is the prize on the field, so to speak. Like, yeah, they have their moments when they're not playing. great, but quarterbacks quickly fix those issues. Now, I can contribute a lot of things to them understanding the game better

a lot sooner. You know, there's more information. You know, they, there's quarterbacks playing seven on seven and eight, nine years old. Like, nobody really knew, like, who the quarterbacks were when we were growing up. It was more, yeah, he could sling it, but you don't really notice that until, like, high school.

Right. Then you start, you know, people start watching you, none, you develop and man they got quarterback coaches coming out the womb so it's it's one of those things but you know i think the reason you know we made so many plays back in the day compared to now is i just feel like we had more versatility and it wasn't just me myself charles woods and the bigger names i mean you can you can think of a lot of guys that aren't in the hall of fame that used to make play dray blight i mean Aaron Glenn, I mean, T. Buck. Like, these dudes were, were ballers, made a lot of plays, right?

Because I feel like they were more rounder athletes as well as the game was a little different. You know, quarterbacks were, you know, running, play action. They're trying to get the ball down the field. We're picking it off. Quick game. It was easier to see. So the game was a little more complex, was a little more complex. It's a little more complex now than it was back then.

but I feel like the athletes that play corner, like I didn't play corner until I got to college. I didn't play corner until I got to college. Even then, I didn't have a coach teaching me technique. It was a technique that he wanted for that defense, but it didn't translate to the NFL. I learned corner by sitting under Darrell Green

and having him pull me to the side. That's who taught me really how to play corner. And you have to think we had ball skills. I was playing offense. I mean, Deion, same thing. He played quarterback in high school. So did I. Dale Green, just well-rounded track athlete, just one of those.

So when you think about all the different, you know, athletes that played corner, we all did something else before we ever got outside the numbers. Like it was just, I felt like when you pull that out, like when guys just started, because all these corners, like my son just went to this underarmament camp the other day, all these dudes been specializing in corner since. probably middle school. Right. I'm like, well, you can't just be that.

Like, continue to work on your hands. Continue to understand the game from both sides. Like, don't just be one dimensional. So I often feel the game has changed, but also the way corners approach the game has changed as well. I can agree with that. I think that was one of our biggest assets is playing a receiver and recognizing and understanding the route concepts, the combinations, knowing the West Coast and how it's like foundationally, like what the,

what the offense is thinking in these situations, third and five, hey, and a bunch, like this is the quarterback's progression. He's going, this hook, this snag route to the flat.

If you pull out and that corner sits on that, he's going to the seven. If you go back, he's going to the flat. If he has man, he's going to the front side, to the RAM concept, whereas it's a sit and the drag.

And I think that helped me so much because, like you said, you didn't play till college. I didn't play until I was a junior. I didn't play corner until I was a junior in college. And nobody really taught me how to play. So I just kind of used my knowledge of offense to, like, put me in positions. But my pedal wasn't great because I was never like a true like corner corner.

You know, so I couldn't really like, I'm six three with big feet. I mean, I'm not about to sit in this pedal and be able to transition the way a six foot five, 11 corner is going to be able to who's play corner for the last 10 years is going to be at transition, but I want to get to the same spots so I would maneuver my body in a way that I could put myself in position to almost be a receiver at corner. Like, hey, I'm going to put my body in a position where I'm about to just run this route for him. Like, I'm just going to bang, get out of this break and then go get the ball because that's the way I can still get it covered. And I think that's another reason why my game was a little more unorthodox to people and it

didn't just work right on tape to people because they're like, man, I want to see like, Sir Tan is the most beautiful tape you're going to see. You got it. That boy is pure. Yeah. If you put him in 1970 or put him in 2057, like the most pure tape you're going to see at corner. Yeah.

And what I try to tell people, too, is there is no blueprint on how to play the cornerback position. Like, everybody has to make it their own. Like, what you were good at, I probably wouldn't be as good at. So, you know, it's one of those positions where you almost, like, this is what Darrell Green did to me. He watched me practice for, I want to say about a week or two. And our coach would just tell us to go over there and just talk and just talk about stuff, go through stuff. So the reason he watched me, because he wanted to know how to teach me, basically, like what, what is going to

resonate with him to his game, his length, because we were totally different body types. So he knew that with my long arms, it'd be beneficial. if I get my hands on people. He was never that guy. He was a guy that's going to stay in your hip pocket. Stay on top of you. You can't run by him. He's that guy. So he took that part of my game, of his game and inserted into my game. So that's when I learned, like, understanding that hands are great, feet are better. Like, if you start with your feet, then your hands will come. But he didn't know that until he really watched me. He could have went up there and tried to teach him. He could have went up there and try to teach me how he knows it, but that doesn't relate to me.

So every corner got to figure out what works for them. There is no book. Now, there's some things that are constant. Your feet, your footwork, that's always going to be important. Like, how you move in your body position, I can't teach you how to make picks. Like, you know, I get you to the point where you're probably in position, but when it's time to make me play on that ball, that's you. That's a moment of truth.

That's a moment of truth, for sure. Like, you either make the play a player. you don't. I don't care if you're in position. Can you make the play? And that's what, you know, bottom line. Right. Thinking back to your days at folks, Folkston and Georgia, when did it hit you that you were, you were better than most of the people around you? You know what I mean? That you were one of them wants. I'm a running back at heart. Like, I played running back all through high school, even in, you know, my, well, I played quarterback, but we were more like a running back at quarterback. We didn't throw the ball. So my first carry in my life,

60-yard touchdown. That's when I knew. Seriously. Hey, first touch, 60 yards. And I was always faster. I had an older brother three years older. I was always faster than everybody. And I saw my brother do it.

So everything he did, I kind of wanted to do too. So I had that impression upon me, you know, in my house. Like, he inspired me to want to get out there. But I also knew I was fast. I could run. I wasn't the fastest, but I was one of the fastest. But I was also tough. So once I got out there, man, and I just, it was inevitable.

Like, everybody just knew, like, oh, yeah. And then from then on when I was eight, I was probably the most talked about athlete in my town all the way through high school for the next 11 years. That's all people talked about. When you were eight? Dude, it was, that's exact. But we were a football town. I'm talking about 3,000 people. You know, it's a very small town, so everybody knows everybody.

And beneficial to me, that sort of insulated me. Like, people protected me. So when I was in the streets, it was, you know, I still found ways to get in trouble. But at the same time, it wasn't too harsh because people fought for me. So, you know, so when I think back to that time, it's like, man, I had the path laid out for me, but I had to see my brother do it first. I think if my brother didn't do it, I wouldn't be, I probably wouldn't be where I am now. Like, he kind of pulled me up.

Like, pulled me up. I was never going to be as fast and strong as him until I became an adult. We went to college together, started together, all that. But still, it wasn't until that point that I knew I was bigger, faster, and stronger, and I had a better, a higher ceiling than he did. But again, I always put him on that pedestal because, I mean, without him, I wasn't going nowhere. That's crazy because I feel the way. same way about my brother and he's three years above me. Like everything he did, I just wanted

to be a little bit better at what he did. Like, I found myself, I wore the number four because he wore the number four. Respectfully. Yeah. He was doing track. We never ran track in our lives. He started doing long jumping, triple jump. I get to college. I mean, high school, I'm like, I'm about to break his long jump record. Same. Jump record. Like, I just, whatever he wanted to do, that's what I'm, what I'm on. Same. That's funny. That's funny. When you were, when you think about yourself in your absolute prime. And you,

you at the top of your game, is there a certain game or play? I mean, you got that 100 yard pick six against the Patriots. That's one of those plays that I want to ask you about. Pick not six. Picks not six. That's Ben Watson's claim to fame.

Yeah, my dog. Oh, man. But is there a play that sticks out in your mind as like our game where you like, man, I was just in that zone. It just everything went right. Yeah.

Probably against everything. Arizona. It was just a game, man. It felt like I was out there floating. Like, it was just, I just knew everything that was coming. I think I had two picks in that game. It was maybe my first or second year in Denver. That was just hot. Like, everything was sticking to me. Ball come my way, bam, pick. Was that the tier? Yeah, it was either 10 or the 8. It was back-to-back seasons. So it was either 05 or 06. It was, I can't remember what year it was. But I just remember that game because I stole a pick from John Lynch. I mean, I wasn't even supposed to be there.

And ball is selling. I think it was Matt Liner or somebody throwing the ball. I can't remember. And I just jumped up on it. Lynch is right there. And he just, oh, he was so mad. But it was just one of them, I picked a slant right in front of Anquan. Like, it was just one of those games, man.

I just, I was on fire. And that's, there was a few games like that. We played the Saints once. Man, Drew Breeze lit us up for about 460. I never forget because it was just bombs away. But he didn't do anything against me. And I always knew that when I played Drew Breez, he wasn't going to try me. He was just one of those.

He is just not going there. And he did not go there. He threw one ball at me and I broke it up. And he never came back the rest of the day. But he ate us, he ate everybody else. So he was killing us that day. But we still won the game. nevertheless.

But it was just just moments. I'm sure there's more games, but those two seasons, though. Oh, my God. Like, it was just, it wasn't easy, but it wasn't, I made it look easy. I love that. That's probably my 12 and 13 when, because you had 18 and those two. I had 16. I had 8 and 8 back to back.

And it just, everything that you touched turned to gold. I remember, I think I had a month where I had, six, like a November where I just, I had two picks, two picks, two picks. I was like, y'all better stop playing with me. I figured it out. Yeah, I think there was, well, you know, there was one, damn, doll, now you you reminded me of stuff. There was one stat where I had like five straight picks in the red zone or something.

Or no, it was five, five straight games with a pick to start the season. And then I had like five in the red zone or something. It was just weird, like, that's never been done or something. I'm like, damn, you know, really? You know, I'm just out there playing ball. Like, I had no idea, but I just felt like so on top of my game. Like, you just couldn't fool me with anything. And, you know, I had Shanahan at the time, and he was just the players coach, like, really laid back, but intense at the same time, all about practice.

So he favored everything that I was good at. Practice, you know, being on time, good teammate, you know, not very vocal leader, but a leader. you know like it's he he was he was by far my favorite coach because of how he allowed me to be me Kyle Kyle is very similar everything you just got you there yeah yeah we went to the Super Bowl in 19 and I had an all pro season that season and that was that was late in the career after the Achilles after I tore my Achilles and you talk about having to adjust your game like after you look I was I was four-fought I don't know how you did that I don't know how you did that I don't know how you that. I'm just like, oh, he's done. What? Achilles? And corner? I got to give you a lot of credit for

even trying to come back. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. It was, it was tough. It was tough, but it was just all mental at that point. Like, it was all, like, you talk about knowing what's going on in front of you, knowing what's coming, knowing where I could put myself in positions I can be in, knowing stuff I can't get, look, if he stutter his feet right here and it ain't a curl, If I break, I'm done. So, look, we... I know that feeling. You got one guess.

I got to let me at it. You got one guess. You either going to go deep or you stop in here. It's not one of the other. It's not both. I'm not... If I stop, I'm stop. I know that feeling, man.

I know that feeling. That's how it was when I hurt my foot and I came back. I never get that first game I tried to come back. I was like, oh, no. I don't feel it. Like, I felt good working out during the week. And I tried to come back, man, I missed two more games after that. I was like, I'm not trying to step on that field until my mind is right.

Like, I have no confidence in my foot. That's it. It's crippling as a player when you know your body can move a certain way. When you, when you out there disabled and you ain't got the, the, the, the explosiveness and the things that are usually at your, at your discretion, boy. Nah. It's nothing like when you get old and then you get hurt. and then it's already bad enough because I'm older.

Now I got to try to fight through this injury. Man, that shit, it just hurts your mind. Like, how do I trick myself into being ready? Like, I mean, think about it. The year y'all won the Super Bowl, when y'all beat us, dude, I didn't feel it at the time. But when I reflect on that game, that was the last game in my career.

But when I reflect on that game, I was like, I should not have been out there. Like, I shouldn't have been starting. Well, I probably could have played 20 snaps, but not 50. Like, there's no, no, like, what am I doing? But the competitor in you? Yeah, I would never be real with myself because I just, not at the time. Like, now I'm, I'm, like, yeah.

But at the time, I'm just thinking, like, yeah, I'm pushing through this. I feel good. Hell no, what am I doing? Chris Harris got hurt. It was over. I was like, oh, damn. At the moment, I was like, damn, I can't, damn, Chris got hurt at the wrong time because it was the playoff game before the championship game.

And then all of a sudden, here I am, back in the starting lineup. I'm like, man, I'm not equipped for 60 plays anymore. It's just not me. Like, 20 plays, I got you. But no, I should not have been starting. But you don't have it in you to quit. You don't have it in you to say no. It's, and that's the good and the bad of it, right?

Like, you know, that's the reason I was who I was. But, man, you know, People often ask, do I, am I mad? I never moved to safety. I'm like, not really. Because there's only a lot of, a few of us that can say we only did corner. You know, it's only a few. And I'm like, I'm one of them.

So I'm going to be proudful about that. And Darryne's very good at reminding everybody. Yeah, yeah, y'all suckers went and played safety. You know, it's just one of them things we could jab at the guys that prolong their career by moving. Like, and I get it. Like, I saw DeAngelo Hall do it. I mean, Charles Wilson did it the best. I mean, I wanted to do it, but I just never did.

Nobody put it in front of me. Nobody said it, and I never lobbied for it. But I still think that's the reason the Wutson's don't get they just do at corner. I think that's the biggest reason people don't get, like when they say the best corner to ever play, they, you know, they talk about you. They talk about prime. They talk about, you know, all these guys. But Charles Woodson and Darry, I mean, and Rod Woodson were in that conversation. but they moved to safety and got so many picks and became almost known for that kind of versatility that people were like, oh, they just DBs.

They're not just corners. And it's like, okay. Here's my take on the Young Woodson, Charles Woodson. And I would say Rob Wilson is right behind him. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news?

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Charles Wilson is the best DB to ever play the game. Like, when you talk about top to bottom, what it takes, tackling, taking the ball away, man to man, he did all that at a high clip. I don't care if he played safety. But when you talk about his body of work and what he did, what do he play, 18 seasons? I mean, the dude, and he started his career. I think he was in a holdout, and I think he got hurt his rookie year or something, maybe a second year, somewhere down the road. He got hurt.

So he's dealt with all this stuff and still put the best DB campaign I've ever seen on tape. I mean, you got to think I modeled myself. I was a year behind him. he played both ways in college. So did I. So I tried to do everything better than him. But it was a hell of a problem trying to keep. To do it every week.

Like the year, he won defensive player the year, he just pick six. I'm like, God, damn, man. Next thing you know, he's at 60 picks. And then I retire, he's still playing. I'm like, well, God. Like, oh, man. And stole five that season.

Oh, my God. I mean, the pick he had against the Broncos when he jumped. And it was right over. with Demaris Thomas. And he landed on his back. I think it's one of the sweetest picks I've ever seen. And I'm like, how was he doing that at 90 years old? Like, what is going on?

The dude was just eating right, man. And he's a football god. Like, I mean, I put him on a pedestal. Like, hands down, complete defensive bat. Charles Wilson, the best ever. Agreed. Agreed. Not even a discussion.

Like, it's just pure. You talk about just what you were talking about earlier of just football players. Like, he's just a football player. You put him on the field. He's going to play football. He's going to make plays. He's going to be around the ball. He's going to take it.

He's going to be football players, whether it's safety corner. You really don't know what position he at because he out there playing football. Yeah, and you can't tell people watch him. No, because the way he did it, I remember when I started playing inside and he had been playing inside for a while. I'm like, man, this shit is not as easy as he makes it look. Like, I think he just, it's his mindset. And then he just got this relentless attack to go get the ball. It's like, I mean, come on, man.

I remember we went to the Pro Bowl together and we were sitting there talking because he was my idol. He was the one I was like, man, I've got to be like Charles Woodson. I want to do everything he did. Like you said, it's way harder than it seems. But he used to talk about like, hey, just make the game easy for yourself. Make it like your, your corner. that has no athleticism, you just need to watch the game, you need to understand every concept, you should need to understand what they're doing. Like, you got no athleticism and still be able to make

those plays. And that's the way I played it. But he told me, he was like, the way I attacked the ball is when I'm going to tackle, I know they're not leaving without it. Yeah. He said, so when I go in there, I'm grabbing the ball. And if they leave without it, then it's staying with me. And you can go wherever you want to go. But you're not leaving without this football. And if I do that most times, that's four or five force fumbles a year. That's, two or three interceptions. I said, Charles, you're making that sound way easier than it is, but that's a simple way that I can respect. I can try it. And you sound like the typical young guy trying to get some real nuggets. But, you know, but on the flip side, he can't explain

how he's doing it. And I remember young boy, young corners used to ask me all the time, like, how do you drive on that dig? How do you do this? Like, bro, it's just experience. Like, I can't really tell you what's going to happen all the time. I can watch film. I can identify tendencies. But when I'm out there and I've got that body of experience that I have behind me, that's what enables me to break on this the way I do and see things coming before it happens. Like, I can't really tell you.

Let just be very good with what you know and then hope you get enough experience to be great, you know, when you really got that knowledge because it was just, I see young corners now. If you don't understand football, it's harder for you. You got to understand football. And football is not a complicated game. We make it complicated. We do.

Because we're trying to trick one another. But it's really not complicated. Like, if you're the corner, stay outside. Run play, don't make it cut. You know what I mean? But I see a lot of corners chasing from inside out. And it's weird because they need to have that experience. in order to then be good at what they're doing.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the only way you teach yourself. What, what, so I want to, this is for young guys out there. I want you to explain during your prime and everything's going your way, this is champ, champ. What did a week look like for you in your prime as a number one corner and like what, how much film, how much off the field stuff, taking care of your body? Or was it just natural ability? I know you say you practiced art. 90% natural.

Honestly, I didn't really start like doing extra stuff like as far as, you know, just core and things like that. Still, I started getting these soft tissue injuries. I always, you know, dealt with something, maybe an ankle here or there, but I like I said, I never missed a game

until my six year in the league. So that's when that all kind of started coming about. Because I used to watch John Lynch do it. He was on his way out of the league. And he would do all these little extra things, core, all this stuff, you know, just body maintenance. And I didn't adopt that until after he left. Before that, like, those years when I was really doing it, maybe from my fourth year, maybe my third year, all the way to about my eighth and ninth year, it was just a lot of

film, you know, but I always practice hard. You know, I never took days off. It was just one of those things. I proud of myself just being present, like just being there. It's making. It's making. It's sure I keep putting in the work. The film was the film. We watched film in the meeting room, but I'm watching twice as much at home. So it's, it was always that. I didn't do a lot of the chiropractor and all that. Like, I just didn't. I don't know why. I didn't take a lot of, like, supplements or anything. For one, some guys would get popped for supplements. And I don't know if it was intentional or accident, but they would say it was an accident. So I was always afraid of it. And I was, and I proud of myself on not putting too many toxins in my body. Yeah, I would have a drink here and there, but other than that, I wouldn't do a whole lot. So it was, that's just who I was. I was a football junkie. Like, I loved the game. And I honestly think that mindset is what translated on the field. And that's what you saw. Like, somebody who just loved being out there. You got to think my whole life, I would never be on the sideline until I got to college my first two years. And then I ended up playing my

more offense. And I was never on the sideline again. Then I got to the league and I had that same mindset. So I played some offense in Washington. I played some in Denver. So I always was just a football junkie. I wanted to be on the field. That's what I knew. And it didn't take a lot of extra stuff to get me ready for a game. And now when I look back, I wish I would have done more. Maybe I would have played 18, 19 instead of 15. 15 is enough. Don't get me wrong. 15 is more than that. especially right at corner. But,

but, you know, that's just who I was. I didn't, I didn't try to overthink the process. And I saw guys doing a lot. And, you know, a lot of them were marginal players.

So I was like thinking, like, that might be what's keeping them here. You know what I'm saying? So it is what it is, man. Everybody has to figure out what works for them. It's no different from playing the game.

Find out what works for you. There's so much you can take from greats. But it still has to work for you. And that's just who I was. It's so cool to hear you talk about the things on the field because it is something about being on that field on game day and certain things. It just makes sense. It's like a puzzle piece is fitting together. Like when you're at the line and you're like, oh, his mannerisms, oh, he's about to run a deep ball.

Like, oh, he's way too excited right now. Like, oh, I feel him. I feel where we're going right now. I feel like, okay, let's go. Let's dance then. When we used to play the Steelers, they had, man, they used to have so many tails. And it was just, it was basically because they had been Robertsburg. And he just had a cannon.

Like he could fit balls in any space. And they kept their offense basic. Every time, it was a Mike Wallace. Every time he lined up inside, he's going deep. So it was just like, it was like so predictable, but it was still hard as hell to stop. So it's just, you know, you get a feel for all that. And sometimes teams ain't trying to trick you. So you just got to get a feel for it.

And you got to trust your instincts. Like if it feel like, if it walked like a duck, quack like a duck, it's not a chicken. Yeah. Trust it. Trust it and go. They don't want to trick themselves either. So it is what it is. That was so, and you talked about not getting targeted with Drew Breeze.

That's how it was with Aaron and in time with me. Like, we get out there and Aaron, they start running. I saw that. And signaling everything, he put me, they'd be on the backside, have a receiver. He wouldn't even signal a route to him. I'll be sitting there like, is he going to signal it to you? I'm waiting for it because it's either this, he's going to wrap, scratch his back. He's going to scratch his face.

He's going to do it there. I know the routes. He needs to signal you something so they just run, jog or go route. I'll be like, okay, so you just. It's funny you say that. You, y'all were saying Green Bay. And I swear Aaron Rawlers didn't look over there one time. He might have, he might have peaked over there and went back the other way.

but he never looked over there one time. And I never played against Aaron Rogers except once in the preseason. And he, during the play, I think they made a play, they walking down the field. He was like, you think you're getting some balls today? You're not getting nothing. You know, it basically just kind of messing with me because he knows not the target there. And I never get you played Tom Brady. I mean, you talking all kind of shit during the game, pregame, post game.

I'm sure it was a lot of fire. But I never get, he threw that one up and you picked it. And I'm like, damn, he got one ball and got a pick. I mean, that's, but that's how, when you're on top of your game, that's what happens, man. And it was just perfect because I was watching you closely because you were just making plays. I'm like, let me see what this dude doing. Oh, damn, Aaron Rogers is not even going to give him a chance next week. And here go Tom Brady.

He don't even give you a chance. One chance. You pick him. Like, man, this is due the real deal. Champ, it means so much that you watch me, man. You have no idea. That means so much to me. Oh, you kidding me?

Come on, man. So much. Come on, man. You're Super Bowl champion. No, no. You, the accolades, I mean, college hall of fame, NFL Hall of Fame, just one of the best and most gifted to ever do it. And it's just like when you watch certain guys on tape, like you said, everybody got their

unique skill sets. I couldn't move like you moved. You know what I wanted to. I didn't do what you do. All different, man. It's all different, but I can make the place. I can still get my hands on the football. I can take it away.

I can make the kind of impact that you were making. And that's the way I try to factor it in for myself. Like, hey, I don't have to be like them to make the plays that they're making. Yeah. See what they're seeing, recognize it, trigger like they're triggering, get to the spot that they're getting to and catch the football when it gets in your hands. That's the big part of this game that's changing. Like, even these elite corners that's getting paid all this money.

There's so many of them, and they're doing a great job. They're covering, they're knocking the ball down. They're in great position. But you look at them, McDuffie just got paid $31 million a year. Three career picks. Like, Saul's got $30 million, whatever he got. I think you got two. Yeah, but they're just not catching it like you were saying earlier.

Like, they're just not catching them. It's not like they're not getting in position. They're not making plays. They're playing great defense. Yeah. They're just not catching them like they used to. And then on top of that, these quarterbacks are risk-aversy. They're worried about their efficiency numbers.

They don't want to be getting killed on Twitter because they, back in the day, they throw five interceptions, three touchdowns. As long as they won the game, it's good. Now you throw five interceptions, three touchdowns, even if you win, they're going to be killing you. Talking about, hey, you stink and you bad. And social media is going to kill you. Damn, that's a whole other element that I didn't really think about. Yeah, the criticism is there.

And it's fast. It's loud. And that's the part that I don't think gets enough credit about just playing in this era with with all the analytics and all that. Like, people were scrutinized in my game to the point where they're like, he, he gave up two catches to this and it gave up three catches to this. And it's like, you be watching every clip and every posture and everything in my game. And then you look up and it's like for my career, I gave up 49.8% of the passes thrown

my way. I had 37 interceptions and gave up 16 touchdowns. Like, yeah, that's, that's what it is. You know, it ain't, you know. Anybody would live with those stats. Come on. You got to live with them. If you were building the perfect DB. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers.

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You know, it's one thing to shut somebody down and not let them catch it, but you've got to make plays. Like, I'm all about the playmaking, right? And, you know, I heard Assante Samuel talk. talk about, you know, him making a lot of plays. I mean, I agree with him on one hand, man, look, you got a lot of picks. That's got to be respected. Like, it is, it's hard to take that ball away. Now, he's a little younger than me, but he played in my era. And, you know, it's definitely different. But again, like, I think he would still make plays a day if he was in

his prime. So I give him a lot of credit for bringing that up, because, you know, it's a lot of I don't want people to think, you know, that it's all about picks, but at the same time, man, that is highly important to me. Like, but without confidence and athleticism, you ain't making no plays anyway. So give me that first and then the playmaking ability to be a close third. I don't understand why they don't give, because why they don't give him credit. I really don't understand that. Like, he got over 50 picks. he didn't give up over 25 touchdown.

I think he might have gave up 25, 26. It wasn't like the way they show his picture and the way they talk about Asante Samner, like he had 51 interceptions and he gave him 50 touchdowns. Like that's not much. It's just because he's loud. It's all. I mean, he says what's on his mind. People don't like that.

You know, it's just, it is what it is. I mean, he had a great career. Now, is he better than prime? No. I would say no. But, you know, at the same time, I'm going to listen to his argument because I know he was a high-level corner. Like, the dude was one of the best. So, you know, so I'm going to listen to what he got to say and give him that respect because it, what he did wasn't easy. And, you know, it's, it's one of those

things, man. He made his career. I've taken the ball away. And he was one of the best to do it. Yeah, I agree. I agree with that. And I think that's, that's something that got to be valued. I would like his name to be mentioned in a Hall of Fame, you know, even if he get in 15 years later. I think, you know, during a time where it's hard to take the ball away, he took it up way and he played that gambling game where he'd have two pick sixes and give up a touchdown. And if you're a corner, I'm living with that. Yeah. If I didn't have two pick sixes and I gave up one of the time. Yeah, give me that.

I'll take that all day. Right. Who do you think during your time you played against some of the greatest? You talked about Mike Irvin. Who was the greatest receiver that you played against? And it don't got to be a big name. Oh, man, you know, well, it is a big name. I would say, Randy was the most talented.

T.O. right there, nipping at his heels. Marvin Harrison, because he had Peyton Manning. He was still talented as hell, but, you know, Peyton made it even harder. And I like to mention guys that, you know, you don't really think about, like Jimmy Smith, like straight dog. Like, he was, he was just one of those guys, man. When it was third down and eight, and they needed it, he's getting the first down. Like, and I thought I could stop him, but I didn't. You know, from time to time, he'd catch that ball.

He's all over. But, you know, it's just, he's just one of those guys that get, you know, sort of lost. Steve Smith, another good one, straight dog. But it's hard to take my attention off, Randy, T.O., Marvin, because I saw them a lot. and often in they were problems. Right. That's how it was with me. Julio.

Oof. Yeah. You had some dogs. Megatron. Megatron, bro. AJ. AJ, oh my God. AJ don't get enough credit.

No. But when you get out there with Megatron and you see some of the stuff that he's putting on tape, you see three guys freaking guarding him. He just up all three. And you're like, yeah, I had to deal with him. I was a little older. But he definitely gave me problems. I'll tell you that.

Because he's all a 6-6 and running real fast. I don't even know. I don't even know why he's a receiver. I mean, he should have been a quarterback tight end or something. I mean, edge rusher. Yeah, coming up to date, he would have been an edge rusher, no doubt. No doubt about it. It would have been making $150 million.

That shit was illegal. Illegal. You got to play with Peyton. Sorry, I just keep, you got to play with Peyton during that crows. crazy year. You played against him as an opponent. How crazy was it to watch him have that record set in season as a part of that team? Like that just, it just looked like a special. It was unreal, bro. It was, it was just crazy because he was just on point. And people forget, like, we had weapons, too. Like, you're talking about Wes Welker, Thomas, DeMarius, Bubba Caldwell,

Eric Decker. Like, we had some, we had some players. But, you know, he was just on point. He was just on And they worked. Like he put the work in. I think he was really hungry trying to get that next championship. But, you know, unfortunately, he didn't have a defense to match that year. But they had a historical offensive season. I mean, it was just one of those. Like, they were just on point and catching everybody off guard.

And it was beautiful to watch. Yeah, I remember us watching it on tape preparing for that game. And it was just like they were running people off the field. They were literally running people off the field. field every game like corner you know people getting up to the line they don't they don't know what play they run in they can't communicate and Peyton's just in there surgical yeah yeah yeah he'll out think anybody so you know you got to find a way to get to him if you can get to him then then you can create problems for him but man when he was on and he's

in that pocket clean nobody's better right look that deep look a couple years later they they made up for it when he wasn't at his best that defense that defense carried him to to a championship and got him the ring you deserve. But that's what wins championships. Stop. You get stops. You win, period. I don't care how many points you score.

You got to get stops. And if you can create wreck havoc on defense and create problems for the offense, yeah, nobody's beating. Yeah, because it's hard as hell to stop people. So when you do it, it's demoralizing. It is. And every year you see it, it's some great defense showing up in a Super Bowl, beating the hell out of somebody.

And they're like, oh, my God, defense wins, championships like you all did not see have y'all not watched the history of this game it it's like it seemed like every year y'all just realized that defense wins championships in the super bowl yeah that's all it is i mean i'll never say anything different you know even though this this league is geared towards making the offense is great it's all about defense it's and that's That's why the Broncos are going to be a problem for a while. They keep that defense the way it is. I don't care what they do on offense.

They're always going to have a shot. And Seattle as well. You're all stomping ground. Those boys are good, man. They play a solid brand of defense. So did you see that debate we was having the best defense ever, the no-fly zone, Legion of Boom thing? Yeah, yeah.

So who's your best defense? They're not just include those two, but who's the best defense that you've ever seen play, or your top five, I guess. Ooh. that Ravens defense in 2000 was sick. Now, I am old enough to remember the 85 bears. So we're going to say that.

You got to put them in there. It's hard to rank them, but I'll throw a few in there. That Broncos defense for sure, y'all defense for a course of three or four years was, I mean, Jesus Christ, it was a problem. Let me think. Who am I missing? Tampa 2002. Tampa, 2000. Oh, geez.

Hold on. Yeah, I'm trying to try to give you a couple. Yeah, bro. Hold on. That one, I can't ignore it. They have some talent on that defense. You don't think, like, yeah, I ain't going that far back. Okay, okay.

I'm going to try to say, only because I didn't see it. But that 2000, Tampa defense, I mean, you got, you're talking about John Lynch, Ronde Barber, Warren, Sapp, Derek Brooks, Simeon Rice, I mean, Boogam McFarlane. I mean, they, come on. Dude, they were stacked. I mean, and I was pretty much raised by them. They put us out the playoffs my rookie year. But damn, I mean, it's, I would live with that five I just mentioned.

I mean, I'm sure there's another one in there that I'm forgetting. But man, it wasn't much better defense than that. And I wasn't part of any of them. So, all good. Stop, Jeff. Stop. Hey, man. I had 13 D-coordinators in my career, so that'll tell you what I was exposed to for the most.

It's so tough to play great defense with all that. Like, how many different schemes did you play in? I played 3-4-4-3. I mean, I mean, everything, dog. You name it. We played it. Like, I was doing everything. I mean, we played a lot of men, a lot of zone one year.

Like, I mean, it was just, it was everything. And I played with a lot of greats, too, though. So, you know, I got no complaints about my career. It's just, you know, I was never on a great defense. Like, we had great moments, but not as a whole. No, never. Now, to finish off, I got to talk about your off-the-field and your off-the-field passions and obviously you're in the film industry.

Like, after you got done playing, what did your mind go to and how did you end up getting into film? Well, just through my connections, just so you know, the writer-director, Glenn, know, and as a Georgia guy. He played basketball at Georgia. He was a walk on there before I got there. So a little older than me. And he just, he convinced me to get involved. And it was something that, you know, if I was going to do something out of the ordinary for myself, it had to be with somebody I cared about or somebody, you know, I could relate to. And he was one of those guys. So I've been doing that. That's the first feature film I've done. I'm doing a lot of, like,

consulting work, basically working with companies. And I find myself at the damn state capital a lot because of my bulldog connections, you know, all the politicians are bulldogs, right? So it's, you know, it's a different conversation when I walk in the room, you know, than the typical lobbyist walks in the room. So, you know, so I find myself doing that with this medical cannabis company, Pete State Health Plan, which is an insurance company. And Okifonoke Swamp. Park, which is a part by my hometown. So I do a lot of Georgia-based stuff because, you know, that's one thing I wanted to do, is come back home and really tap into this network. And it's been beautiful, man. And I just kind of do deals. Now, I will reveal something that I missed

out on. You're probably not even aware, but maybe you are. So prize picks just sold for like a couple billion dollars, right? And the founder, big Bulldog fan. Right. right, he gave me the opportunity to invest, and I missed, and I passed on it. And they just sold it. I was like, yeah, that's how I felt yesterday when somebody told me. I was like, damn. And I, and the guy, I love the guy. Like, he was a great dude, like, sharp about where he wanted to take the company. And it wasn't until I saw those commercials, and I'm like, damn, I guess he took in big money. So, and then a couple years later, here you're selling it for a couple billion dollars. I'm like, man, come on.

When people approach you with deals like that, is it, and I don't mean to get in your finances, but I just want to educate young dudes or young viewers that might be watching about different ways you can approach endorsement deals, do they ask you to invest your capital or are you selling like, hey, I endorse this with name and likeness and you give me a certain amount of equity and shares to be a part of this company? Well, as you know, most people think it's money, right? people want money. And I'm always like, well, I like your brand. I like your company or whatever it is. I can help you, but I ain't give you money. Like, I bring value in other ways. Like, I can introduce

you to people. I got a strong network. I mean, I can do this or that. But a lot of times, people need money. So that conversation can't be ignored. But I can often help you get the money, right? Like, it doesn't always have to come out of my bank account. And I had to kind of learn that because, you know, as you, when you retire, you realize, damn, I missed out on a lot. Yeah. So my mind was never about anything outside of the game. You know, I wish it was, but it wasn't. I wasn't raised like that.

I just focused on what I was doing. But then now I realize my impact is much stronger than what football tells you. Like, when you're playing, everybody sees you. So that's probably the most popular you're going to be. But when you retire and kind of go back into your, and fall back into your network, you realize that value exists in a different kind of way. And what matters now is how I used to treat people when I was in school. Like, what matters now is how I've treated people when I would come back home to Georgia.

Like, because I live here now, now people can tell me about those experiences, and it's not a negative experience for them. And I'm like, damn, well, that was just half the battle, right? Now I just need to get smarter about what the hell I'm doing. You know, so, you know, your strong network and building bridges is really what propelled me to get all these opportunities now. I'm looking at one or two deals every week. Like, there's always something.

I got a good group of people around me in different pockets. Everybody's good at something. You know, so it's, you know, I try to keep myself flexible and not fill up my schedule too much. But at the same time, I love what I'm. doing because I'm connecting people and I'm in rooms I want to be in and things like that. But it wasn't, it didn't start out that way. I kind of had to get there. But yeah, when I look at deals, I'm trying to figure out how you get in this deal without writing a check first. But everybody

coming, they're already thinking about how much I can write a check for. So you got to fight that battle a little bit. See, that's one thing I'll say in my career that I was very cognizant of is is using my brand as my as my capital. And if I'm sitting here saying, hey, I'm going to endorse this, this young fledgling company, then, hey, you give me, I don't know, 55,000 shares, which is half a percent of your company. And I will sit on the board and introduce you to all these people. I'm sitting in the meetings with you to get you the capital that you desire because my name and my gives you credibility.

Like having Chint Bailey associated with it, having Richard Sherman associated with the gives you credibility to get in these rooms that you couldn't necessarily get into, these conversations you couldn't necessarily get into without these names associated with it. So that is value. That's more than the $100,000 or $150,000 that I'm going to invest in your company. This is so you give me those shares for me to make that impact. And that's the same kind of impact. Appreciate you.

Appreciate you. This went long. I'm sorry. I appreciate all good. I enjoyed this. For you, man, anything. I appreciate what you done for me, man. I reached out to you.

and you ain't hesitate one bit to reach back out and provide me what I asked for. All I need now is my Richard Sherman jersey and we'll be good. I'm going to send you a text. You send me the address. It'll be in the mail. Let's do it. Let's do it. You send me my champ.

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