The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Chiefs DB Jaylen Watson on Kansas City going for Super Bowl THREE-PEAT vs. Eagles

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

Richard Sherman interviews Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Jaylen Watson. Sherm asks the former seventh round pick in the NFL Draft about Patrick Mahomes leading the Chiefs past Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills in the AFC Championship game, their upcoming Super Bowl matchup with Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, and the Philadelphia Eagles, how Andy Reid and Steve Spagnuolo turned the Kansas City defense into a powerhouse, and what it's like for the Chiefs' 2022 NFL Draft class (Trent McDuffie, George Karlaftis, Isiah Pacheco, and himself) to have made the Super Bowl in each of their first three seasons. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Late round traffic. Well, you was in the seventh. I thought I was doing bad when I went to fifth, but you went in the seventh, and you've made the best of it. You've been incredible since you got there. Tell me, how has that journey been? Because I heard you worked at Wendy's for a second,

and now you're starting in your third, third Super Bowl. Tell me about that. If you told me four or five years ago, I'd be here today, I'll tell you it was lying. I just, you know, put one foot in front or other than just, you know, each day try to take advantage of every opportunity I was given, you know, draft day. That was tough, sending all these people getting dropped in front of you, but I had an opportunity. And I just tried to make the most of it. First game of the year, my record year, Trent got hurt and I had an opportunity

that's playing with it. Talk me through because your journey is so unusual, so different. You know, and I guess it's not unusual because you know, the NFL is full of special people like yourself, but you went from your high school where you was a man, then you go JC.

Yeah. Then you get to college and ball out, but then you get drafted seventh round to walk me through draft day because my draft day, I was pissed. I was pissed. I'm sitting there waiting after the first two days. My whole family want to do this event. I told them not to do it.

And they want to do all this stuff. And then they're sitting there on the third day. They don't even show up. They're there for the first or second day. The third day, the room is empty. And then they called me. And I'm like, you know what I mean? Like, frustrated.

I mean, that day is so long. And you're just so anxious and ready to see where you're going to go. I kind of figured I was, I thought I was going probably early fifth. But I was looking at all their corners. I played in the scene bowl and went to the combine. So I was pretty familiar. with everyone in their game. And I was like, okay, after Tariq get drafted,

because that's my dog, I was like, after Tariq get drafted, I should be the next corner off. So I was just waiting on him to get drafted. And I seen it get drafted, then all these corners I never heard of kept getting drafted in front of me. And I'm getting mad, and I'm supposed to be enjoying my day and spending this time with my fam,

and they see the frustration in my face. So they had to take my phone because I'm watching every draft pick. Just went outside, tried to enjoy time with the film, but I just couldn't. Then I started getting all these calls. If I don't get drafted, where should I go? And I'm thinking I'm calling to get drafted. Then KC. finally popped up and they draft me, and I was so excited. And I already knew Trent because he was at Washington.

And me and Josh played in the scene ball together, so we was really close. So it worked out perfect. Well, when you got there, you must have made a big first impression because you're a seventh rounder. You know how this league go as, you know, you've been in it for a couple years now. And, you know, as a seventh rounder, you know, it is what it is. Your draft spot gets you a little bit more leeway, gets you a little bit more opportunity, more plays, more reps.

You know what I mean? As a seventh rounder, you might get one rep a period. You know, you better Sean. So you must have been out there scrapping. Yep. If I get three reps, I was trying so hard those three reps and just scratch car and fight to try to show the coaches like they can trust in me. I was always in the film room making sure I knew what to do.

So if my time came up, I could, you know, take advantage of it and play fast and not hesitant. With this defense, you have to really know ball. Everyone knows how spas gets. When we first, you know, seen a playbook, it looked like a different language. We like, what is this? But yeah, just sitting in the film room, being able to play fast. and, you know, no football. I think me growing up playing quarterback helped me a lot,

being able to, you know, re-rout concepts and know what the offense is looking for in the defense and how we present the defense. What made you make the transition? You made it at Washington State, obviously, but what was going through your mind? You know, why not safety? I think corner I can control my destiny the most

out of any other position. So I just chose that. Rob. Bro, I've said the exact same words out of my mouth. That's why I switched from receiver. I was like, I get tired of depending on a quarterback throwing a good football, the offensive line blocking. I got to be the play call for me.

And it don't matter if I'm open or not. If all the stuff doesn't go right, I still ain't getting the ball. Exactly. In that corner, if I stop you from catching it or I catch it a few times, I'm great. Could you ever imagine having the amount of success you had when you got to Kansas City? Obviously, they were already a power. They had beat us in the Super Bowl right before, you know what I mean, a couple of years before you came, but they hadn't won it, but he's still in my homes this prime, and you come in there,

and you, you ain't never seen a season, got in with a trip to the Super Bowl. Right. I mean, no, I don't think anyone thought we would be here, but it's a blessing. I don't take it for granted. I enjoy every single moment, every single practice, you know, spending it with these great guys in the locker room. And it's just a great organization, like, top to bottom. Yeah, y'all had some. Ligerius Sneed was there your first year, you know what I mean?

And he was, y'all all keep walking out here with these 30 numbers. And before Ligerius, it was Charverius. And he was out there in the 3-5, I think. And I'm like, is this something in Kansas City where they tell y'all, hey, you come in, you've got to put a 30 number on and go out there and strap. Because, God. No, it was crazy. I just found out.

I want to say last year it was 36th corners drafted, and I was the 35th corner out of 36th draft it. Yeah. That's cool. People always ask, like, why are you number 35? I didn't pick the number. It's the number they gave me. But it just so happened.

I was the 35th out of 36th corner drafted in my class. Hey, from now, I'm going with that. I'm going with that from now. So tell me your mindset now, because, you know, obviously it's about to be Super Bowl week. to be locked in, but you've been through it so many times. And walk me through your first Super Bowl experience. I've been to three. Unfortunately, we lost two of them, but the experience, you know, once you have the first one, you kind of got a bead for what to expect going in, but your first one

had to be kind of mind-blowing. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, you're going there to, you know, be a champion. And with that, it's always going to be in history. You're going to be in the history, but it's going to be a lot of distractions but just like showing the young guys that we're here for one reason that's the win this game so um you don't have to be locked in 24-7 but we got to remember why we there let our family and everyone knows go out have fun and do that thing but remember why we go on there you talked about spags and the playbook being another language what has he meant for your growth as a corner as a player you know know, as a person, because, I mean, he's obviously known as the best,

if not one of the best defensive coordinators in the National Football League, and you've had in your entire career. Talk about his impact on you. You know, with Spax, even, like, to get the X's and O's, he's just a great leader of men, and he knows how to get everyone locked in, the whole team playing as one, and we play for each other. But that's why when you see us, like I watch film on receivers, and I'm saying them play other defense, the backside safety might be jogging.

Then it's a missed tackle, now the tackle, now the play goes for 45 yards. Explosives lead the points pretty much 85, 90% of the time. So just like seeing us play on film versus other teams, how all 11 just flying to the ball, hands stills out of us. That's every day at practice. like, he instills so much confidence in me. I think this was the perfect defense for me to come in and really help my career with just pressing every play,

which is what I love to do, and just be able to make plays on the ball. Well, you're doing a great job with that. I mean, your first pick in the National Football League was a 99-yard pick six. I mean, you can't write it up better than that. Yeah, you can't. Never forget that day, boy.

Kate, Kate. Look, I was talking, I had McDuffie on earlier in the season, and he hadn't got one yet. And then he got two back to back, but he was like, man, I can't wait to get my first one. I said, you've been strapping for a long time not to put your hands on the football, man. I know what's coming. He dropped about three, but we all knew we all knew it's coming soon or later. This ain't no little itty-bitty teeny tiny bowl. This is Super Bowl 59.

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Y'all, y'all run a great scheme, man. Y'all, y'all do a great job. Y'all did a great job against Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills and stopping a tush. Bush. You know what I mean, obviously, they got all the controversy. Did he get it? Clearly he didn't get it, because if he got it, then they would have gave him the first down. You know, that's the story for a different day. I don't feel like arguing with these people no more because I'm a defensive player. And I hate to hear these people. They get a thousand rules in their favor. And then they want to complain about every single thing. Hey, you touch this dude.

You tackled him low. You tackled him high. You grabbed them over here. You spit around and your body landed on his ankle. Like, come on now. But during the week that y'all practiced to work on stopping that, because you're not going live in practice. And I know them D. Lyman ain't sitting there really bashing heads.

And y'all going to have to, no mind, never mind, don't tell me, because y'all will have to do it again this next week. Right. But, you know, that's been such a really pivotal play for Buffalo and obviously a pivotal play for the Eagles. That's obviously a point of conversation. And some of y'all feel confident y'all have been able to stop. Right.

It's tough because if you look at it, basically every first down is now first and nine. because once they get their nine yards, you already know it's coming. Like you said, we're going against it again, so I can't say too much. But Spacks, he's an intelligent man. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. We're not going to talk about it because I don't want to talk logistics in Super Bowl week and I don't want to get nobody in trouble. But it's really cool, the plan that you all had with Josh, talk about your technique as a corner and anybody that you looked up to when formulating me because you press,

you up there, you freaking know, on nose, just about every time I see you. I mean, even your off is good, but, you know, we six, too. Our offer ain't going to be what the five, what Trent says. Yeah, well, I tell these boys, they, you're, your feet getting the ground quicker than ours. So I need to be up there. No, it was, um, you and, um, Jaylon Randi. That was my favorite, too.

That's good ones. That's good ones. I mean, press is such a, such an art and you step, not everybody's steps, you know, me, a lot of dudes motor out. I don't know what y'all call it, but a lot of dudes do that motorout technique, but your step kick is smooth, you patient as ever. We had your very first game against the Chargers, and that's when they showed you,

and it was you and Charverius out there, and you were a rookie that they're drafting the seventh route, and you, I want to say you gave up like two catches or three catches in the game, but you were, like, all contested grabs, all right on their back, all right there. And for a rookie to come in playing like that at, even if you're a first rounder, it's like impressive. But for you to come in to the seventh round and be that prepared, like, I know you said,

hey, Trin got hurt and I was ready for my moment, but that's easier said than done. Talk me through your process and your mindset during that game. Growing up, anyone that's ever known me, I always know I'm a super confident person. Like, it got ridiculous to where it got, people thought I was arrogant. But that's just a confidence level I have. having myself. I always grew up like that. Younger playing with the older kids. I used to be the first one picked up. They know I'm going to talk trash. They know I'm going to compete. And that's what I want to do. I want to compete against the best people at the highest level. So this is what I

dreamed of. I can't shy away from it. And I just use it as fuel, being the seven-round job pick and showing everyone what they missed out on passing up on me. No question. That was the shit. Preach. preach. Yeah. But you go from Augusta, Georgia to to the Pacific Northwest. You talk about a change. That's crazy.

Washington State is, Pullman is cool, but it's the only thing up there. Yeah. Like, that had to be a little bit of a culture shot. Yeah, it definitely was.

I mean, going out to Juco, I went to Juco and Kelly, so all the schools recruited me was mostly out west. It was so cold It was so cold when I went to Washington State But I was kind of used to the West Coast vibe But it was a little different

Than it was in L.A. than poor, man But I enjoyed it, man. It was a great college atmosphere. All they knew was football and party. I tried to stay out of that. But, yeah, it was a good college atmosphere. That's a type of college atmosphere. I wanted to go to, and I come to Kansas.

It's just like the same type vibe here. It's just football. Everyone loves it here. And it's cold here, too. So I was kind of used to it. I was about to say, everything prepared you for where you are right now. No question about it. How much family you got potentially coming to the Super Bowl?

You know, I mean, it's a quick trip. It's probably as close as any of y'all Super Bowes have been. Yep. So you got a lot of people, you got more people coming to this one than came to the other two? Uh, nah, same amount. Got about seven, eight. Can't keep adding people. You know them Super Bowl tickets.

Yes, I do. They take your whole check. Yeah, a whole check. But I'm happy to hear you doing well, man. I'm proud of you. You're a freaking fantastic player. You get books in the playoffs. It doesn't seem like the playoffs affect you.

You obviously got injured this year against San Francisco. That was tough. You know, broke your fibula. I imagine your mind was, you know, a thousand places. but to be able to come back and be prepared for the playoffs the way you have and to take off where you left off, how? How did you do that? And talk me through the conversations with Andy Reed and Spags

because sometimes coaches get real, I don't know, tight about the playoffs, especially when you ain't been playing. You know what I mean? Like you were the starter and you got injury. You never lose your spot to injury is what they say, but you get to the playoffs and you ain't played, and they're like, I don't know if I want to bring you back right now. Right.

I can do none of it without God, honestly. Like, I was in a very depressed state of my life, and I was just getting in my word more, and it was helping me a lot more than just sitting back in Kansas. It's not anything to do but football here. And before I got my surgery, my surgeon told me I'm probably out for the season. But, and as soon as he said the word, but my, eyes lit up.

Every day I just try to take advantage of each day, work my butt off to get back, man. I started getting close. She was like, I'm trying to, she was like, oh, you're looking good right now. You're moving faster than expected. Once I hear that, I just started going harder, harder, harder. Every day, I think I came back too much before I expected it.

And it was just a blessing. And then with Spags and OBC, Coach Mary, our corners coach like once that 21 day window open they said I had to show them at practice and if that didn't feel like I was ready I went in place I just blessed my butt that whole time

and I did what I needed to do to get back on the field and it's just a blessing to be out here with my teammates. It's a blessing of being another Super Bowl just had that brotherhood, that locker room talk that I was missing. I just missed it all and I had to get back to it

Talk about that brotherhood because there's like there's a lot of talented defenses. There's a lot of good coordinators. But what y'all have been able to do for the past three years, like in playoffs and the regular season, like it's now considered one of the best quarterbacks of all time, a defensive team. Talk about like the relationship with Jay Reed and McDuffie and, you know, Bolton and Chris Jones and all the special players that you all have on their defense. Yeah, everyone's just so close-knit. Like, it's literally a brotherhood.

We hang out with each other outside of practice. Then you think about it. You got the fat five with me, Josh, N.J. Trent and Cook and Jay Reed and Dion Bush, we all came in together the same year. So that was all our first year. We all didn't know the playbook together. And now we all know it. We all came in here.

We all close. We spend time with each other. It's so many just friendly people, like, during competition battles, everyone willing to help. It's no ill will towards anyone. And just to be in a group and hear the other players talk from their experience on other teams, they say it's not like this. Right. So I know it's a special group, and you can see how we play on the field together

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Trent and Jay Reid said, man, no matter what happens in games, just as a team and as a defensive unit, y'all, y'all never stop believing. You know what I mean? And that just goes back to what you're speaking on, the brotherhood, the trust, you know what I mean, being with each other all the time. But he says no matter what the scores look like or what just happened in the game, you always feel like it's going to work out and you don't end up win it. Yeah.

I mean, like you said, how we have one of the best quarterbacks ever, and we're kind of known as a defensive team now. Us as a defense, we know we have the best quarterback. So we always know we have a chance to win. And Spads hold us to such a high standard. If we're one and a half time, that should be game in his mind.

So, I mean, it wears hand in hand. Now, this is selfishly personal for me. I got to know that last play, the last play, the pressure, because fags going two pressures back to back, and he disguising it the way I don't need the exes and the holes or secrets. I just, like, when that call came in, what were you thinking? Because y'all pressed the pressure,

and for him to pressure the nub side and the safeties to rotate slate, I was like, these boys are nuts for the game. Yeah. So it was a TV timeout. Nick is the brains of the defense. Him and Spaz are like crazy. So I'm standing in the middle of the field. I'm just psyching myself out like whatever he called.

This ball will not get caught on me there, not getting his first down. I see them talking. Nick come back and he tell us the. call. I said, oh, I had two sucks last year, and both of my stats came off that exact same. Play, like, that pressure hits every time. And he did a good job. Whatever he called, is going to trust in him.

But I think everyone that knows ball knows some type of bliss was going to come. And he got home. Trent came free. George did a good job. Night letting Josh rolled out to his right. And so he had to throw it up. And fortunate for us, we got the dub. No question.

But even after that happened, it was a lot of chaos because in the back end, that's what people don't know. Everybody's looking at the quarterback and the pressure. I'm looking at the back end. And Ted, the way they get an attack. And I'm like, uh-oh, like, I don't think it's a bust. I think it might just be a weakness of the coverage. And that's what some people don't understand.

It's not always an answer for 100% of everything. Just because you call something, no means it's an answer for every single thing the offense can present. They think, oh, man, somebody was open. Somebody must have made a mistake. Like, nobody made a mistake. The pressure getting home is what's supposed to happen if somebody's open. If somebody open is because the pressure got home. That's the weakness of the defense. But as a secondary, y'all do such a great job of playing off each other, even like manipulating the coverage and making the coverage come to life. It's so cool to watch, man. And that's just, that ain't a question or anything. That's just me giving the cap tip to y'all defense,

man, y'all play a hell of a hell of a job. Appreciate that, man. So fun. It's a fun. Yeah, it looked like. It looked like it. We played a lot of good defense, but ours was a lot simpler. Ours was more Jimmies and Joe's than scheme.

But, yeah. But I don't want to take up to my notice. I appreciate you giving me the time. If you got any questions for me or want to ask me anything, or, you know, me and go back and forth anything you got for me, I'm happy to answer about anything. Who the toughest receiver You won against

Megatron Megatron That's him I'm telling you Like bro When you put on the tape And you look at a dude Who getting viced

By people And then he catching a ball Over three people And then our coach Our coach came in a meeting, bro The honest 2012 He put a tape on

Of the Saints vicing him On the goal line They're like the three And he was like Yeah we're thinking about installing this. Me and the other corner Brandon Brown and walked out the meeting and said,

hey, y'all go ahead and put somebody else in to do that. Y'all going to have to show me. He'll have to show me that he liked that. Like, you're not about to put nobody next to me? The hell what I look like? You know, it's crazy. That same thing happened last year with Sneed. I forget who it would plan.

It may be been a Bengals with Tase. Mm-hmm. And it was a possible vice if they presented a certain look. And see it was like, boy, don't you come out here. She's so disrespectful. Like, as a DB, you just too private, you cannot let that happen. Like, we might can bracket or disguise it.

We are not both about the part return protection. No. We're not doing it. Because if he somehow get both of us, we are never living down. Not that for a really supposed to be in the league. What are supposed to be here? So, but he was like that now, now. He was fully like that.

But I said, hey, I'm like that too now. I'm 6'3. I'm supposed to be built to stop him. But when I tell you, my whole plan was to never let him get comfortable, never let him get to like even or shoulder in front, like with space on that red line, if that boy gave me a hezzy, straight to the cutoff angle. I'm straight to cutoff angle.

You can run as many slants as you want, Calvin. You ain't running no. and catching this over on top of my head. Yeah, I got kids. You get cut on his force, center. Yeah, no, I wasn't doing that. But he was the toughest, man, because he just did so many things well.

He was fast. Julio's right next to him because Quintor's boy was like covering a horse. Yeah, that was my boy. I grew up a fan. That's what I wanted you to say, but I understand. No, they won A, 1B. And ain't no disrespect to Quintors. But at that point, you got your hands fully full when he step on that field.

He runs horse. that boy running routes like like what the rent is due. And if he don't get these feet in the ground, his family is out in the cold. You cover him. You could have all the understanding of a scheme and this

and that, and I know the splits and I know all this, but he was built in the lab. And whatever y'all got in the water in Georgia, he had a lot of it. Yeah. I saw the questions I had

I got to go. get this treatment. Respect and love and good luck on your third Super Bowl brother. I hope you ball out. I hope you get defense MVP. Yeah, that'd be great. Appreciate you for having me, dude. Anytime, brother.

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