The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Defending Dan Campbell's aggressive play calling

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

Richard Sherman reacts to Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals beating the Dallas Cowboys on Monday Night Football and Patrick Mahomes leading a game-winning drive against the Los Angeles Chargers on Sunday Night Football to vault the Kansas City Chiefs to 12-1 on the NFL season. After, Sherm breaks down why Tedy Bruschi and Colin Cowherd are way off with their criticisms of the Detroit Lions and Dan Campbell's play calling, reacts to the Philadelphia Eagles drama sparked by Brandon Graham's comments about Jalen Hurts and A.J. Brown's dynamic, gives his take on San Francisco 49ers WR Deebo Samuel's tweets about not getting the ball enough, and answers whether or not the New York Jets should move on from Aaron Rodgers after securing their 14th straight season without reaching the NFL Playoff. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mitchell when we have the Seattle Seahawks. That's going to be a fun game. But Joe Burrell, if it wasn't for them being five and eight, 33 touchdowns against six interceptions and about 3,500 or so yards leading the NFL, you'd say MVP, MVP. But you can't say it because the defense. stinks.

They only allow 20 points today, but you're absolutely right. Joe Burrow looks absolutely lethal. I mean, he even said it. I guess they asked him pregame, do you feel like you played better in your career? He said, this is the best I've played in my career. And he looked at. He looks mobile. He looks elusive out there.

His eyes are always downfield. And he's getting his playmakers involved, Jamar Chase, with another career day. I mean, this guy is going to be set in records here pretty soon. And you got to love to see Chase Brown, a guy called early in the years, a fantasy sleeper, Rich doing his thing and then carrying some teams as we enter fantasy football playoffs. But Richard, the Cowboys take another big loss.

Like, does it get much worse here for Dallas? I mean, obviously their season is over, but how much lower can it go for them? Mitchell, it's not the Congo line, but Mitchell, it can go low. It can go really low. And if they lose to their division foals, if they find a way to lose out. But you look up and you're like, what are you playing for? They're playing a retooled offensive line, some young offensive linemen. So they're going to give them an opportunity.

C.D. Lamb was productive today, both on the ground and through the air, six sketches for 93 yards and a touchdown. You know, had a really cool play on a reverse where it didn't look like he had anything and he got loose. Leofu had the second and a half. So you're getting some production there. I didn't see a lot. Obviously, their double team in Michael Parsons the entire game. Rico Dowdell has a really good game. 18 carries for 131.

yards. Cooper Rush, about what you expect from Cooper Rush, 1631, 183 yards, two touchdowns, and one interception. But I don't know where you go from here, but I'm not really that concerned. I'm more concerned about what they do going forward. Obviously, Jerry has said all the right things about Mike McCarthy, but what exactly is you going to do with them going forward? you keep saying you support him, you keep saying he's our coach going forward, you keep saying everything that you would want to hear, I guess, or not want to hear if you're a Dallas Cowboys fan.

I don't know how they exactly feel about McCarthy, but they keep telling me a Super Bowl or bust, and they haven't come anywhere close to a Super Bowl in its tenure. So it sounds like they've been bust, and they're not even going to make the playoffs this season. They'll probably end up last in their division. So, I mean, the only place you can go from here is up. You know, they have a game against Carolina who's been playing better.

I don't know. I don't know. You got to have some answers. You got to draft better. You got to develop better. What do you do with the head coach? I mean, we joked around about Prime going there. Prime says he's staying at Colorado.

They're playing in the Alamo Bowl. I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure Jerry will be at that game. Something tells me Jerry's going to be at the Alamo Bowl for some reason. not. Mitchell just, don't quote me on this. Don't bet on it. But I got to feel in Jerry's going to be at the Alamo Bowl. He'll say he's just there to see Shador Sanders and Shiloh Sanders and Travis Hunter and all the great draft prospects there. But something tells me he's

going to see his good old friend Dion. On the flip side, Cincinnati, five and eight, you know, still an outside chance to make the playoffs in that AFC, maybe still in that seventh seed. And again, And not many teams would sign up to play against Joe Burrow, but they'd sign up to play against Joe Burroughs defense. And so, again, like I said, on Thursday Night Football, I think, you know, if it wasn't for his defense, I think Joe Burrell would be, he'd be the frontrunner,

and it wouldn't be that particularly close because he's just played his best football. He's played like the best quarterback in National Football League this year. And I'm sorry, nobody wants to listen to me. Everybody's going to, oh, God, Josh Allen.

Did you just see what he did? Six touchdowns. I saw it. And then they tell me I'm a Josh Allen hater. And oh, another thing, Mitchell, I got to apologize because I said J.J. McCarthy had a torn ACL. He does not have a torn ACL. It's a bad meniscus, and it's a certain part of the mendiscus.

That's the long-term version and not the six weeks that you can shave off. It's lateral. I think it's lateral is the long one, medial is the four to six-week one. But clear that up. You know, sorry Minnesota Vikings fans. I got that wrong. You've been reading the comments section, Richard. Mitchell, I read the comment section, and I get it right.

I'm coachable. Mitchell, I can come in and get things corrected. But I think, again, Joe Burroughs playing the quarterback position best this year. And if you argue with that, then you're not watching the tape. And, you know, his team isn't winning. They're scoring a lot of points. They scored 27 a day. They usually score 30 plus.

And when they score 30 plus, he somehow still loses. the game, but 33 of 44, 369 yards, three touchdowns and interception. What more can you say? It's going to be fun to watch him go down the stretch, especially with Jamar Chase. He fed Jamar Chase, 18 targets, 14 catches 177 yards, two touchdowns. He's having a remarkable season. It's crazy because I'd be really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really surprised if Joe Burrell isn't a first team offro.

and he won't be the MVP. So it'll be an odd year because if you give it to Josh Allen, which is what it sounds like everybody thinks is going to happen, could he be first team all-pro? When the numbers don't line them out, now I understand that, you know, team stats matter an MVP, but they do not matter in all-pro. And so when they go and look at the side-by-side in Buffalo Bill's fans,

I challenge you to look at the side-by-side Joe Burrow versus Josh Allen, and I understand you would say circumstance. You'd say, Joe Burrell has Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. I got you. He 100% does. And Josh Allen has been doing phenomenal things with what he has. Just had Mari Cooper. Mari Cooper had a pretty good game this last game.

Matt Collins isn't a household name, but does a great job for them. Khalil Shakir does a good job for them. Cook does a good job for him. Daughton Kincaid, when he's in the lineup, does a really good job for him. but I think they're going to have a hard time not giving first-team all-pro quarterback to Joe Burrell. If they don't, good old crazy shirm is still good old crazy shirm, and I got to roll. But the numbers are going to say that. The numbers are there.

33 touchdowns right now. Six interceptions, 3,500 yards on his way to a likely 5,000-yard season or so. Mitchell sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, Richard, I know you're a stats guy, and you're absolutely right. I mean, Joe Burrough statistically is the best quarterback in the NFL this year, but the big stat that the team is missing is in the win column, and they had their opportunity. They're going to be kicking themselves all season.

I mean, they blew a game late, up 10 in the fourth quarter against the Baltimore Ravens end up losing in overtime. They lose on a game-ending field goal against the Kansas City Chiefs, and they open up at home against the New England Patriots, and they lose that game. I mean, all easily games that they could have won and flip this to eight and five. So I think the story for the Cincinnati Bengals is, you're absolutely right. They're wasting an MVP caliber season from Joe Burrow because they're unable to stop teams from scoring 30 plus points. I mean, they were able to stop Dallas and kudos they got to win today.

But you got to wonder how they're going to enter next season because they got to fill a lot of holes defensively. Richel, let's talk about the game, you know, on Sunday night that had a lot more implications. and it's Kansas City again. I mean, this team's finding ways to win. I mean, we were joking about it off air, but how are they going to win next? By a walk-off safety? Like, what is going on here with this Kansas City Chiefs?

They're 12 and 1, and they could easily have five losses on the season. What gives with the Kansas City Chiefs here, Rich? Mitchell, they're just winners. They're just winners. At this point, you've got to give them credit for being winners. You got to give them credit for finding ways, no matter what, no matter what the circumstances are.

they find ways to win. And if they weren't back to back Super Bowl champs, then sure, you'd have a lot of concerns. You'd have a lot of questions. But with their resume and their track record, it's different. It's different. They get the benefit of the doubt. And with the benefit of the doubt, how they win, the margin of victory, the spread, whatever case may be, doesn't matter. They're 12. and one, and they're cruising to the one seed with the game coming up against the Browns and James. I think they play Pittsburgh again.

They play Pittsburgh down a stretch. That'll be a tough game for them. But they've given themselves some breathing room. Buffalo is also giving them some breathing room. And they're going to be a tough, tough out. And like I said before, they could be a team that goes out in the second round in a divisional or they can go all the way to the Super Bowl. and neither result would leave you incredibly surprised.

Because if they went out in a divisional, you'd be like, they were living on house money all year. They were living on the edge of a knife all year. And if they go all the way to the Super Bowl and win it, and it's a close game, you're like, they've done this all year, and they've survived, and they found ways to win.

They found ways. They found ways. So if they find ways three more times in the playoffs, what a year. It's going to have people scratching their hands. his. They're the great known but unknown, the Kansas City Chiefs. But as long as you got Patrick Mahomes, you got Andy Reed, you got Spags in this defense, you're going to feel good. They won their ninth straight AFC West title. That's two-shot of the NFL record. The New England Patriots have 11 with

Tom Brady. And this is their 15 straight win in a one-score game over the last two seasons. I mean, that's just wild stat. And it goes to Patrick. Mahomes. Statistically, he hasn't had anywhere close to his best season. But they're still finding a way to get it done. And you got to wonder, I mean, the way Andy Reed has been playing with this team, and we're so used to the Kansas City Chiefs being this explosive team, you know, throwing the ball down the field, all over the field, Tyreek Hill, you know, Travis Kelsey, all these guys, these home run hitters, and they don't have those weapons anymore. It's almost like they're a time of possession controlling team.

And they're finding ways to win down the stretch. And maybe that's why they're in so many tight games. Do you view them as the favorite out of the AFC right now? 12 and 1 back-to-back Super Bowl champions. The fact that you're asking me if I view them as favorites is silly to me. But I know why you're asking. I definitely understand why you're asking. Yes, they're the favorites.

They're the favorites. I expect them. They're going to be the favorites in every game they play. And if they're not, then Vegas is trying to take your money because they have done nothing to show you they shouldn't be the favorites. Close games that you win does not mean, does not count the same as a loss, guys. It's not the same as a loss. It may seem like, ooh, they got lucky.

They keep getting lucky very consistently. You said 15 times and 15 wins in one score games. that's something other than luck now. I was at one of the games. I literally watched the Raiders bumble the ball, snap the ball to the quarterback

in a situation where all they had to do was line up, throw the ball into the ground one time, bring out the kicker, and the game's over. Guess what? Sometimes it's better to be lucky to good. And if the luck don't run out,

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They're the most streamed NFL regular season game in history. 17.29 million views. Are the Lions the biggest draw on the league right now? I mean, they've got to be. There must see TV. You know, it's just such a great team. They're winning. They're a great fan base.

A lot of energy, a lot of characters on this team, a lot of talent on this team, and a lot of likable guys, a lot of storylines that you really just want to see. On defense, you got, you know, their best defensive player getting hurt and a bunch of guys off the street and whatever it takes, a really good lackable defensive coordinator and Aaron Glenn, two really good safeties. And Brian Branch and Kirby Joseph, probably the best safety tandem in the, the NFL or right amongst them. And what more can you say about Dan Campbell?

And he's going forward on fourth. You know, people are tired of this old, you know, prehistoric NFL. It's just like the 40-yard dash. It's like it's archaic. Like at some point you've got to challenge the norms. If you want to be different, if you want to do something that's never been done, you've got to do things that have never been done. And that's what Dan Campbell was doing.

He's not just saying, hey, fourth down, I'm going to, I'll just, we'll just punt. We'll kick a field goal. I know that's the right thing to do. I know that's what they're expecting. I know that's what the rule book says. What rule book? It just says win. And that's why, you know, we see this thing that Teddy Bruske says, and I got a lot of respect

for Teddy Bruske, played the game right, played that game at a high level, one Super Bowl's. Just stop, Teddy. Just stop. because because I wouldn't want you on my sideline thinking like that. Oh, whoa, whoa, you, you, you, people, I mean, you got to, you got to, you got to act like winners. What do you act like winners? They're 12 and 1. Like, you're going to start, start, stop playing like your, you're biting kneecaps.

If that's their culture and that's what they built and they feel like underdogs and they play well like that, and they got a bunch of guys who believe in it, what does it matter to you? What does it matter to you how they get it done? Now it's how you win. Hey, so if he would have just kicked the field goal on fourth and one, and then Green Bay drove down the field and scored touchdown, you'd have been like, well, they lost the right way. You know, they made the right decision even though they lost.

No, he's playing winning football. And his team loves it and he loves it. Like, I have a problem when people have a problem with something that isn't a problem. Like when somebody's getting that route up about somebody else's culture, because it's different, and this applies to a lot of things in life. And I'm sorry, guys, that's just how I was raised. Different to me is fine. I don't care what you, you can wear your pajamas inside out.

You can wear, you can dance to this kind of music. You can be offbeat, on beat. You can be red, green, purple, yellow, orange. You can believe in this. You can believe in a cloud as your savior. It's fine. It's fine. Look, run your race.

I'm going to run mine. Even if I don't agree with it, even if I don't, I'm not going to be taken aback by it. This culture that Dan Campbell has built, I'm impressed by. And I think a lot of coaches are taking notes. And a lot of his coaches, Ben Johnson, Aaron Glenn, when they go get head up coaching opportunities, they're going to take parts of this culture and spread them throughout the league. That's what happens when you. you win. People want what Dan Campbell has. So Teddy Bruske said in New England and played the game

one way and had one way of seeing it, that's enough. That's enough. Like start playing like it. Stop playing like you're on top. What does that even mean? The only team that's on top, the only team that's really been winning over the last three or four years is the Kansas City Chiefs. Dave won. Matthew Stafford and the Rams won one, Tom Brady, one. What is their culture? Are they doing things that acting like they're on top and playing like it?

Like, no, like, get out of here. Like, I just, that just irks me. Like, there can be no evolution in this game. There can be no change. It's supposed to just say the same. Hey, just vanilla. Routine. I should be able to predict what they're going to do.

Like, how about being unpredictable is a different style? And it's working. They're 12 and one. Richard, this, this, is exactly who and what Detroit needed. This team was stuck in a perpetual hamster wheel of horrendousness. You know, for 30, 40, 50 years, this team has struggled to be even remotely decent, let alone win a playoff game. And you're absolutely right. I mean, what Detroit is and what Dan Campbell is,

they're market disruptors, their industry disruptors. Richard, you played in San Francisco, the Bay Area, home to Silicon Valley. You know, the startups that made. make it that VCs invest in are the ones that are the best disruptors in a set market. The Detroit Lions and Dan Campbell are just that. And if they were a startup, I guarantee you there'd be a shit ton of VCs investing in the way they approach this game. And we saw it too with a friend of the volume, Colin Coward called out the Detroit Lions. He complimented the Detroit Lions as well, but he also called them out with them being too aggressive. He said, you don't see this from the Kansas City Chiefs.

You don't see this from the San Francisco 49th. You don't see this from the Buffalo Bills. Like you said, Richard, it is, there's only one team out of those three that's won a Super Bowl in the last 20 years. But on top of that, Richard, you know how the moralizing it is when you're going up against a team that is already better than you? And you hold them on third down and it's fourth and one, fourth and two. They're like, all right, we're going to get them off the field. And then their offense comes back. on and picks up another first down. I mean, Detroit's going to be criticized for going out for it

with 43 seconds left, but they were four and five through the game on four downs. Again, this team, Richard, they're built for success. They're hungry and they look to just trample teams and take the soul right out of them. And that's what they've been doing. I just don't like when people comment on things that work because it's out of the norm. It's something that you're not used to. Like, he's too aggressive. Like, get out of here. When it stops working or when teams get put out, doing it exactly like you say, do it.

And they put in situations, they kick in the situation. You're like, oh, man, they probably should have went for it there because it didn't work. Like, or you're like, hey, that's a great job because it worked. Like, you're just a critic. So at the end of the day, you're going to be right either way. Hey, hey, hey, eventually it's going to come to bite you in the butt. And if they win the Super Bowl, you're going to turn around it, Colin. and you're going to say, well, it's a good thing they were aggressive.

That's what won them to Super Bowl. Every team should be aggressive. Like, that's what I hate about it because these are the same guys that will say a guy is terrible, one day. And then after the guy has consecutive 300-yard game, they'll tell you, I told you how great he was. It's like, what are we talking about? Like, get out of here. He's too aggressive.

He's too aggressive. It's too aggressive when it does not work. Then you criticize. Hey, if they get stopped and lose, he says, that might be a hair aggressive. Like, maybe you need to tweak that. Like, maybe it doesn't work in the playoffs. But right now, it's working.

And it's worked all season long. And it's worked last season. So he's trying to get his team somewhere they have never been. So they're doing things that have never been done. Maybe this is their way of skinning the cat. This is their way of getting to a championship and winning a Super Bowl. And if they get it done like that, at the end of it, in a day, you could still criticize them and say,

I don't like this style. That's okay. You're not coaching it. You don't got to sit there and coach. And I hope you never get a team because y'all will get sent home every year because you're soft and not aggressive. And football is an aggressive sport. You have to make hard choices.

If you go by the book and go by the standard and go by, oh, what's predictable, then you lose. You talk to Andy Reed and Patrick Mahon's. They do go for it on fourth down. Quite a bit. Quite a bit. They go for two random situations. Like, don't sit there and act like the Kansas City Chiefs have done this

without being aggressive on fourth down. They have. They have many times. And we can talk about the Philadelphia Eagles and the tush push. They're another winning team that goes forward on fourth down and what they're tending to. Like, there's a lot of teams that punt in these situations that don't go forward on fourth down.

Guess what? They're going to be picking in the top five at National Football League's draft. So congratulations. You're doing it the way Colin wants it done. See how that's working out. Richard, let's talk about some drama in the NFL. You know, today, I don't know what it is, man.

I don't know what it is about Monday in the NFL, but let's start with Debo. San Francisco 49ers, fresh off a win against the Chicago Bears looking to turn things around. And we see Debo tweet out today, not struggling at all, just not getting the ball. Do you view this as a big deal in San Francisco? Cisco? No. No, I don't. I don't. I don't view it as a big deal because he's telling the

truth. Because, you know, you try to address the drama, you try to address the rumors and all this nonsense, and that's what he did. That's why these social media platforms can be a gift and a curse because, you know, it's always up for interpretation. What he's saying is he's not getting the ball, but he's not upset. He's not frustrated. He's not struggling. He's saying if he got the ball and more, he'd be able to make more of an impact. He had two catches for 22 yards. He had 3,000. He had retargets on the day. That's, that's, you know, that's truth. Would anybody be frustrated? Yeah. I mean, you saw A.J. Brown and Devante Smith get frustrated in the game. They were winning because they weren't getting targeted and weren't getting the ball. And the quarterback was,

literally looking at them, watching them be wide open and not throwing on the ball. And I told Eagles fans, don't get me started. Don't get me started, Eagles fans, because you guys, again, I read the comments and you guys get into a place where you're, you know, you're saying, I'm not respecting you and I'm not, I don't see how great you're doing in Philly. And I do. It's a talented team. And what I said is you're very Sequan reliant. If Sequin has a bad game at the wrong time, you guys, you guys do not have a way to overcome that. Not because you don't have an immensely talented team on both sides of the football. You do. But Jalen hurts for some reason. I do not know why.

He's not seeing the field like he has in the past. He's not seeing it. And unless he does see it, it's going to be tough. But no, I don't think this is a big deal about Debo saying that he's frustrated. He hasn't gotten a lot of targets. He hasn't gotten a lot of stuff to go his way right now. And if he got, you know, if he makes an impact this Thursday and has 140 yards receiving and, you know, runs the ball for a touchdown or two, I'm sure this will all go away.

And everybody will be like, yeah, yeah, you know, It is what it is. But it's just one of those seasons. They're having an off year. They're having a bit of a down year. There's what, five and seven now or six and seven. And people need something to talk about. And this is what they're going to talk about.

You know, it's just the last season. Debo's last season with the 49ers. I doubt it. I doubt it. But what do I know? I just find it weird, man. I mean, here they go. They pay Brandon Ayuk all this money in the off season.

And obviously they got Debo in House who's, by all accounts, an absolute stud. menace with the ball on his hands. The yak king, I believe, if you want to call him that now. But Richard, even when Brandon Ike was healthy, he wasn't getting the huge amount of targets. And neither is Debo. This is going to our guy third and Joanne, Joanne Jennings. I mean, Joanne Jennings is rising to the occasion.

What do you think it is, though, about Brock Purdy, not, you think it's scheme? Or do you think it's just he likes a bigger receiver to throw to? Well, I mean, he just got a great rapport with Joanne. And Joanne's a great separator. If you're a receiver that's consisted on third down, it's because you can separate. And you can separate in a really great way, and Joanne could get open in the phone booth.

You know, Brandon is more of a deep threat, and he had a good 140-yard game before he got injured. It's just a weird year. You know, that's the only way to put it. I don't think they trust the offensive line to hold up, especially with Trent injured right now. Teams have packed the inside, and that's a lot of times where Debo has gotten,

done most of his damage is taking, slant routes to the house, taking screens and getting out of there. I think a lot of times they're starting to sniff out the screens, snip out the runs, the jet sweeps that they've given a deba. Even when he's in the backfield and they try to give him little zone reads, it's not working out because they're just, they just understand it. You know, they're putting him in a position that it's becoming a bit predictable and people are making plays.

And so I don't think it's a big deal. I think Kyle's going to get it figured out. I think if it was a big deal, Kyle would have came out and said something about it. He hasn't. So it is what it is. Let's talk a little bit more about the Philadelphia Eagles because, I mean, we read the comments section. I already addressed the issue between Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown. For those that don't know, this all started with Brandon Graham.

I guess he was on a local sports talk radio station. He started airing some dirty laundry from the locker room. He goes, I know paraphrasing here, but I know Hertz is trying and A.J. Brown could be better. with how he responds to things. They were friends, but things have changed. He later backtrapped and said, I just assumed I had it all wrong and now people are going to run with that part.

What do you make of it as a, you know, if one of your teammates went on air and it sounds like Brandon Graham didn't mean to do this, but what do you make of it when a teammate goes out and airs dirty laundry, especially when you're a two-loss team competing for the one seat? Well, I don't think he was trying to say it like that.

I think that's what's tough about doing live TV or live radio or live anything. You can't say, hey, cut that out. No, no, no, I misspoke right there because it is what it is. You know, you're speaking, you're talking fast. We do it every week now, so you get used to it. Your brain functions really quick. You know the consequences if you slip up, if you have a misstep, if you misspeak. So you try to quickly correct it.

You try to say, hey, my bad, my bad, my bad. I meant to say A, B, and C. And Brandon, I don't think he meant to air the dirty laundry. He's a veteran player. He's been in his league a long time. He's played for a long time. He's done a lot of interviews. So, you know, that was probably him just trying to be honest, show a bit of transparency.

But, I mean, you don't need Brandon Graham to say what you can see. Everybody saw A.J. Brown's interview, and he didn't take direct shots at Jalen Hertz, but he was frustrated. not everybody remembers last year at the end of the season when AJ Brown got hurt and you know there were rumors that he could have came back maybe he could have came back maybe he could have played one more game and came back for the playoffs and he didn't

and he just ended the season and then you know there were rumors that he was frustrated about his contract and he got a new contract and after he got the new contract he's come back and everything all is healed all as well nobody remembers that he was pretty much done You know, people were wondering if he was even going to come back to Philly after at the end of last season and how it went.

And now we're getting to the second half of the season again. And Jalen Hertz is kind of looking a little bit different than he did in the first half of the season. You see, you know, people are making cutups of the routes that Devonte and AJ are running where they're open. And they're not getting the ball. There's even plays where he's open and Jalen's looking at him. and he's not letting the ball go. I don't know if he's gun-shy. I don't know if he's just, you know,

trying to make sure he doesn't mess it up or he just knows, hey, we can lean on a run game. I don't want to throw interceptions. I don't want to put the ball in harm's way, so I'm going to be safe. Whatever it is, they're winning games. So it's working, but your star receivers getting frustrated going into the playoffs isn't a great thing.

And when they're talking about they need to improve the past game and, you know, that things need to be seen better and everybody's going to say the right things. But when they're saying these things, this frustrated after a win, it just seems like if somehow they would have lost that game or somehow they lose this next game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, I'd want to hear that interview after that game. I'd want to hear what's said because that would tell me a lot about what's going on.

Now, Brandon Graham may not know anything. You know, he may be friends or both of them. He may not even talk to either one of them. I don't know what their locker room looks like. but he backtracked and said, you know, he doesn't, you know, maybe he just was assuming. That's fine. But eventually, the truth is going to come to life. Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers.

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I mean, Richard, they've got the longest act of streak in North American sports without a playoff berth right now. at 14 seasons. It's wild to think that this team is a bottom dweller of the league right now, especially everything they've put into these last couple years, bringing in Aaron Rogers, bringing in all of his buddies from the Green Bay Packers, including Devante Adams. And now we're starting to see, you know, the frustration. And you got to love the classiness of Garrett Wilson and the candor, but he basically said that the Jets are stuck with this losing gene that they just can't pull off wins, you know, late in the fourth quarter in a game

that they very easily could have won against the dolphins. What do you make of this, Richard? Is it time for the Jets to move on and close the chapter on Aaron Rogers after the season? I don't know. He threw for 300 this week. His first time since 2021 is a really good game for him. Just getting the ball in the end zone at the end. I guess it depends.

It depends on what they feel about to draft. It depends on what they think they can get what he feels like. I'm pretty sure he has guaranteed money. What that looks like. Do you give him one more chance? draft his era parent and allow him to learn behind him and try it again with a better, you know, cast of characters another year under your belt. I'm sure he's going to come to OTAs and minicamp and all that this year because if he

doesn't this year, I mean, God, that'd be tough. So no, I don't know what else it is, but it does seem like what Garrett Wilson said. They do have a losing problem like it's a gene. Yeah. I mean, you just can't win. And it doesn't even feel like you. you believe you're going to win at the end of the games. And that's what it looks like.

They don't think they're going to win. And that's the hard part to when watching the Jets. It's like they're just waiting for something to happen, something bad to happen. It's like they're fighting. They're playing hard, but they just know something bad is going to happen. So I don't know. I think they'll run it back with Aaron if he wants to run it back. If not, they'll have to draft a quarterback and move up and try to find their franchise quarterback.

And when they do that, they'll be finding their head coach again, you know, whether they give brick another shot or, you know, try to entice. It's a name like Pete Carroll, who's very interested in coaching steel, just like Bill Belichick. We'll see. Richard, let's move on to buy or sell. I'm going to make a couple statements here. You let me know whether you're going to buy or sell it. Let's start in Pittsburgh.

And I'm just going to paint a scenario here. The Pittsburgh Steelers should bring back Russell Wilson on a deal similar to the one that Kirk Cousin signed with the Atlanta Falcons. I'm sure Russell would sign that deal 100 times out of 100. And I do mean $100 million in his bank account. Yeah, true, they'll bring him back. I buy that. They'll bring him back on some kind of deal that makes sense for both sides with the way he's played. I see no reason why they wouldn't.

It seems like a match, a hand-in-glove fit. They understand him. He understands them. Doesn't put the ball in harm's way, plays the game like Mike Tomlin and what it played, gives the ball to his playmakers, and allows them to eat George Pickens. is having a really productive year with him. But I think I buy that. Let's go to the college football ranks.

I know you like his play a lot. Travis Hunter will win the Heisman by yourself. I want to buy it because he's been so dynamic. And there was somebody who said, there has been no Heisman winner to play in the Alamo Bowl, so he's not winning it. And then this is a good thing about Twitter now. or X or whatever it is, is that they have these little boxes that you can correct things

that are wrong. Yeah, you can fact check. And they said, in 2011, I believe it was, RG3, won the Heisman over my guy, Andrew Luckett, if I'm not mistaken, and then played Nalamo Bowl. I think you like 11 days or 19 days later. So it has happened. And it would probably happen again because Agentia's had. had a special season, but Melvin Jordan had a special season, and they didn't, I don't think

he gave it to him. I don't think they gave him the Heisman that year. And Travis Hunter is just doing something on both sides of the ball that hasn't been done. If he gets to Maxwell, and, I mean, he's not up for the Thorpe, but he's up for the Rodney lot, you know, he's up for so many dang awards. If he gets to Heisman, I think it will all fall into place, and I think he's going to get it. So bye. I'm going to stick in college football. I'm going to go off script a bit here. By or sell, the college football landscape finally got it right with this college football 12 team playoff. Buy. I'll buy that. If they would have put Alabama or another SEC team in, I would have been very frustrated. And I hear Lane Kiffin talking about, you know,

how tough it is to play in the SEC, et cetera, et cetera. I get it. I get it. But coach somewhere else then. you know, at the end of the day, every conference has this tough opponents. Coaching a Big 10, coaching a Big 12, and have your success there. But don't take three losses and then say, hey, teams that they played softer schedules, or they played this, or they played that when the SEC plays Cupcake Schedule outside of conference because they have a really tough conference. Got it. I got that. But that's the conference you're in. So you play the conference you're in. It's 12 teams. You can't make it in the top 12. That's on you. And they start SEC teams so high.

So it's not like they don't give them the benefit of doubt. They'll start with what, four or five SEC teams in the top ten. And then as they beat each other, they're pushing each other up and not allowing each other to fall too far in the rankings because now the number six team just lost their number one team. And then the number two team just beat the number eight team and vice versa. So it's benefits and there's trouble. But you got Arizona State getting a buy. That's different. I mean, Arizona State was in a Pact 12.

I don't think they ever came close to a playoff game or came close to being this highly ranked. It's good for the game. I see more Pact 12 teams in there are X Pact 12 teams. You see big team teams. You see SMU making it in. You see Boise State making it in. So it is good to just see other teams outside these power four. conferences have a chance to win it. So, yeah, I think they got it right.

All right. Let's go to Bill Belichick. Richard, there's rumors circling that he's interested in the UNC job. Buy or sell, Bill Belichick would thrive as a college football coach. Sell. So Bill Belichick is going to be pissed. If he, look, Bill Belichick got Tom Brady to not take Max money. You think he's going to walk into some kids' living room or be on the phone with some kid that's telling him, hey, some 17-year-old that's like, no, Ohio State is offering me $10 million, coach, what you're going to do

for me? I just can't imagine that conversation going well. I don't have a ton of conversations with Bill. And then on top of that, forget all that. The kid that you promised a $10 million is in training camp and he's not playing well.

And now he's like, what's you're going to do? You're paying me $10 million. like it's just a different dynamic. They said there's kids in college that if they don't get their check, like their weekly check or their check doesn't clear, they don't practice. Could you imagine a kid coming to Bill Belichick's practice and say,

coach, my check didn't make it today. Good luck today. I'll have a good one. Like, it's too different of a landscape than the National Football League. The National Football League, you're under contract, you can find them, you can say you got to be here on this time you got to do this you got to do that you can try to run the most disciplined program in the world but in order to win in college football you need talent and in order to get talent now you got to pay them and then when you pay them you are empowering these kids in a different way that you haven't felt because you empower NFL players to a point but they're still constrained by the rules what are you going to do to these kids find them they'll transfer like discipline them, coach them, they'll leave. They won't show up.

That's why I couldn't coach. I couldn't coach college football. This generation of kids is too much to, it's too much. They got too many avenues. They got too many outs. Hey, I'm coaching the kid tough. Hey, you did this play wrong. You got to be better than that.

But I got to be better. I'm going to go. This other coach says he's going to pay me a lot of money, and he won't coach me like that. What? I don't think Bill Belichick wants to deal with that. So I sell. Sell, sell, sell, sell, sell.

You're buying or selling the Cowboys will keep Mike McCarthy as head coach next season. Sell. Sell. If they bring him back Dallas Cowboys fans are going to be selling. They tickets. Maybe Bill Belichick would be a better fit there. And then finally, Rich, I know you were a track and field star. an Olympic track and field team of all NFL players

would win at least one gold medal by yourself. At least one. Some of these big boys, maybe shop putt or throwing a hammer. I'd buy that. They'd find it. They're putting flag football on it. So, yeah, I buy that. I buy it.

They'd find a way to get one of these. Yeah, they'd certainly win the flag football gold medal. There's no question about that. Well, Richard, it's time for our TNF preview presented by our friends and partners at Prime Video. You get to stay close to home and go back to a familiar home of yours. In San Francisco, the Rams traveled to San Francisco fresh off a huge win over the Buffalo Bills. Both teams are in desperate need of a win to keep pace with the Seattle Seahawks. Vegas is the San Francisco 49ers, a two and a half point favorite heading into this game.

What do you make of this, Rich? How excited are you to head to San Francisco to be a part of this game? I'm really excited. It's going to be a really good game. Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shantahan. It'll be some great offensive play calling. Pookin Nicole's on a tear. Matt Stafford is playing some of his best football.

San Francisco's defense looked really good last week. Obviously, it's against Caleb Williams in this Chicago Bears offense. That's struggle. But their offense, Brock Purdy looked really good. I think it was 320 or so yard. this last game, 20 or 25. It's going to be a fun game. Obviously, the Rams won the last matchup, and it was close,

but that was even without Pooka and Cooper Cup, which was crazy. Niners were leading 24 to 14 with six minutes and 30 seconds left, let them come back. I think San Francisco finds a way to win this game. You've got to see what the injury report looks like if they're going to have, I don't think they're going to have Nick Bosa back. I doubt they're going to bring Trent Williams back. but they found some pass rush in gross matos.

This last game, Leonard Ford also had Leonard Floyd also had two sacks. It's going to be a fun game. It's going to be a fun game. Divisional games is always a toss-up. Can Brock Purdy continue to have the kind of games he's had? Can this Rams defense step up and stop Brock Purdy and Joanne Jennings and Debo Samuel, who I'm guessing is going to touch the ball more than three times this game? I'm excited to be there.

I'm excited to be a part of it. That's why I got my San Francisco 40. 49ers brightly on. I can't wait to get out there. Obviously, I hope my San Francisco 49ers get the win. Their favorite in the game, be there. Or be square. Or watch it on Prime.

Or watch it on Prime video. That's the way to do it. Exactly. Richard, I will be at home tuning in on Prime. For you guys staying at home, you can tune in at 7 o'clock Eastern time to catch Richard and the crew in San Francisco. that's this week's TNF preview brought to you by Prime Video. It is that important time of the podcast.

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going to exit out of my top five. So that's the start. Detroit, Minnesota, San Donald, Philadelphia. I didn't want to do it. Kansas City.

Pittsburgh. Okay. So what I'm going with. I feel good about that. I didn't feel good about Philly Pig, but that's it. They've been asking for some respect. I hope they showed, you know, and Richard, by the way, they almost lost Carolina.

Did you hear about the guy that bet $3.1 million on the Philadelphia Eagles to win straight up? Could you imagine being that guy, Richard, when Xavier Ligette dropped the ball heading into the end zone? I don't know if you dropped it. I don't know either, Rich. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Richard, I will leave you with that. I will allow you to sign us off as we conclude week 14. That's it for week 14 on the Richard Sherman podcast.

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