The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Detroit Lions revival proves NFL teams shouldn't tank

Episode Date: December 25, 2024

Richard Sherman reacts to the NFL headlines, including Houston Texans head coach DeMeco Ryans saying that Baltimore Ravens QB Lamar Jackson is the NFL MVP over Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen, Las Vegas Raiders head coach Antonio Pierce being unapologetic about beating the Jacksonville Jaguars despite it hurting their NFL Draft position, and Detroit Lions head coach Dan Campbell riling up his team ahead of their NFC Championship rematch against Brock Purdy and the San Francisco 49ers. Also, Sherm reacts to Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers blowing out the New Orleans Saints, Packers RB Josh Jacobs and Philadelphia Eagles RB Saquon Barkley reinvigorating the running back market, and Cooper Rush and the Dallas Cowboys ending Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneer's NFL Playoff hopes. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm working on it, Mitchell. But let's get to the headlines from this week. D'Amico Ryan says Lamar Jackson is definitely the MVP. Sounds somewhat similar to what you were saying last night, Richard. Your thoughts here. Vegas still has Josh Allen as minus 550. Lamar Jackson's a plus 400 odds. Saquan at plus 1, and my boy, Jared Goff, at 20 to 1.

But you still like Lamar Jackson, and so does D'Amico Ryans. What do you think of this take? Same thing I said yesterday. I think it's the accurate take. And people are saying, I hate Josh Allen. Nothing's further from the truth. I love Josh Allen. I think he plays the game the right way.

He elevates his team. He plays hard. They win ball games. Like, he's always competitive each and every year. He talks a little bit of smack. He plays behind his shoulder pads. I'm a Josh Allen fan. But the numbers are the numbers.

If Lamar Jackson has 46, 47 touchdowns total in four interceptions, and you tell me that's not an MVP, season just throw the award away at that point, Mitchell, because it doesn't make sense because on the flip side, and you got to talk to Buffalo fans about that, if Josh Allen had 47 total touchdowns and four interceptions and didn't walk away with the MVP, they would be rioting at the league office in New York, and rightfully so. That's what I don't get. I don't even understand odds, but it is what it is. They'll probably give it to him, just like they gave it to Lamar last year, when I thought he shouldn't get it. But DeMico,

on the same page as me. The tape looks like the tape looks and the numbers look like the numbers look. Well, Richard, I'm still holding off for my boy, Jared Gough, 20 to one odds. We'll see if he can get hot down the stretch some crucial games for them. It's getting to that point of the season, Richard, where teams at the bottom of the league are really jockeying for position in the NFL draft. And, you know, fortunately or unfortunately, when a team wins that fan bases want to lose, fans kind of voice their opinions. and we saw it in Las Vegas this weekend of Las Vegas Raiders beat the Jacksonville Jags and approved their win total to three on the season. In doing so, they go from number two in the draft to number six now. The fan base was booing at the end of the game.

Antonio Pierce didn't like this. And he said, we don't do this to lose. We don't do this for anybody's fantasy football team. We don't do this for anyone's draft projections. None of the shit matters to us. The only thing that matters is winning. And that's all we want to do. Richard, bring us into the mind of an athlete, the mind of a competitor,

because just us common fans often look too far ahead at what could be, what could be in the future. If you're on a team that's struggling, four or five wins, and you know you're down and out. You talked about playing for pride. How much pride can you possibly play for? Are you really getting up for these games? Yeah, and that's how he has to coach, Mitchell.

He can't coach like he's a, you know, 15-year veteran coach. He's had a lot of jobs. This is his first year coach, first job. He has to coach to win every game. And I don't remember who was it Lovie Smith with Houston? Like who was the interim coach and they wanted to lose every, the fans wanted him to lose. And I think the older might have wanted him to lose and they won.

And he got pissed off that they went the last game of the season. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. And they ended up with T.J. Stroud instead of Bryce Young. And sometimes That's exactly what it was. Sometimes that's how stuff is supposed to happen. And then everybody forgets about it. You know, they're so mad in the moment.

They're so frustrated in the moment. They were, Houston fans were, you know, oh my God, you're sabotaging us going out. Like, when in reality, that was a parting gift. You got CJ Stroud instead of Bryce Young. And look, what the face the whole. Now is Bryce Young going to develop? up into something? He could.

CJ Strout is exactly what Houston needed and wanted. They got the franchise quarterback, the future of their franchise. Because Lovie Smith's team played hard. And guess what? The football gods rewarded this team for doing things the right way. You can't do it any other way or it's not going to work out how you can't. You can't tank in the national football league. I guess you can't.

But there aren't many players, not veteran players, they're going to go out there and be like, yeah, I'm going to. going to go out there in trouble lose. If you're built like that, you can't turn that back off. Like, that's a loser mentality. And I talk to my son about stuff like this all the time, because I'm like, hey, like, you can't turn on and turn off, like, habits. Like, hey, if you, how you do anything is how you do everything. So if you work hard all the time, you're going to work hard. If you say, I'm just going to stop working hard, and then I'll start working hard later. Like, hey, we're not going to win these games. We're just going to try to lose these games. But then when

next season starts. We're going to try to win again. Like, you can't. It's a mentality. It's a work ethic. It's a state of mind. Remember when you're Detroit Lions, Mitchell, when they first started to build this culture, what did they start doing at the end of that season? A season that didn't really matter, they weren't winning games. Richard, the season that mattered most for this organization was when they went on the road two years ago and knocked off Aaron Rogers. They kicked them out of this division. They had nothing to play for. The L.L.A. L.A. Rams had gone in with Baker Mayfield and tried to upend your Seattle Seahawks, and Seattle ultimately pulled that game off in overtime.

Detroit was on the Sunday night game with nothing to play for, but that game meant more to this fan base than anything because it kickstarted what is now this massive momentum shift. For the first time in my life, being a Detroit Lions fan, I wasn't looking on websites seeing our draft position after week eight because these games finally mattered for once. I can sympathize with the Las Vegas Raiders fan base. They're thinking of a dream scenario.

They're thinking of Dion Sanders and Chador standards in Vegas. I mean, that's what a lot of these folks were definitely thinking of. Look, if you're thinking that way and you want them in Vegas, then Mark Davis will find a way to do it. I don't think Mark Davis is going to get rid of Antonio Pierce right now. But if he does, I'm sure Dion will be high on the list. Dion says he's staying at Colorado. Do I believe that? I think he can be persuaded to do other things.

But I think right now he's creating and he's building a team to play in Colorado next year. He just got his quarterback, got his young quarterback. He's continuing to build that culture. He's continuing to speak that way, recruit that way, get transfers in the portal that way. So everything points to him staring at Colorado. So if that's the case, he does want his sons in Las Vegas. And I understand the frustration of fans. And you want it both ways.

You want your team to compete every week, but you also want them to lose when they're supposed to lose. It's not always going to work out that way. At the end of the day, just count the record when the season ends and look where you're drafting and make the best of it, and your team will make the best of it. Are the Jacksonville Jaguar is going to take a quarterback? I don't know. Maybe. Are the New England Patriots going to take another quarterback?

I don't know. Maybe. I doubt it. The Giants are. Are they going to take Cam Ward? Are they going to take Shador? Will there be a quarterback left? Like, let the stuff play out like it's supposed to because when you do things the wrong way in football, it always comes to bite you in the end.

You sit there and be like, oh, let's tank, let's tank, and you'll get the quarterback you're not supposed to get and think he's supposed to be something and you'll end up with another bust. And it'll be like, you'll think back and take it all the way back to when you lost on purpose. And that's where it all began. So I agree with Antonio. Play to win. Richard, I kind of would extend this topic a little bit further. We saw DJ Moore, or he was interviewed in the locker room pregame in practice leading up to the game against the Lions.

And one of the reporters asked him something along the lines, what are you looking forward to? And he said, vacation. You've played in this league a number of years. Have you ever been privy? I mean, I guess you were on so many competitive teams, so you never were in total mail-out seasons or games. But, like, have you heard stories of other plays?

is just cashing it in late? Yes, I have. My very first year in the National Football League. I started the last 10 games of the season. So this was probably like my sixth or seven start. We were still kind of in the playoff race. You know, we need some things to go our way. We need to win some games.

We didn't end up winning. But there was like a little bit of an argument and some confrontation from, you know, our young players, our young, naive players, who just want to win. We're like, hey, we're balls to the wall. We're hair on fire. We just want to win every game,

play the best defense we can and get to these playoffs and try to win a Super Bowl. Like, that's all we think about. Earl, Cam, myself, Brandon, Browner at the time. You know, we got good D-line. And I'm not going to put any names out there because I don't need to put anybody in a bad light.

But the guy came up to us, and we're like, yeah, man, we just got to do this to make the people. playoffs and he's like playoffs like why would i want to make the playoffs i take a pay cut in the playoffs i take a play cut a pay cut a pay cut to play more games and harder games and games that matter more and i make less money i don't want to play in no playoffs and mind was just like i couldn't believe what i was here like i'm in a national football league just my rookie year and i'm playing my butt off and the guy says i don't want to make the playoffs because in and in reality

the letter of the law, he's correct. Like, he was making about 300, 400,000 a game. In the playoffs, in the first round, Mitchell, we make $20,000. 20 grand, everybody. Unless you got like a bonus or something in your contract individually, the standard check that everybody receives, 20K or 26 and some change. I got to go look, but that's before taxes. So it ends up being like 13,000, which is money.

You know what I mean? Like, let's not get out of hand here, but. compared to 300 grand, I mean, he's totally correct. You go from making 300 grand regular season games, and then you go to the harder games, the games that matter, the games that everybody's watching and define your career and your legacy over, and you're making $13,000 after tax, 14, whatever it is. Didn't change it for me, Mitchell.

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$85. Discount code valid through December 31st, 2024. Richard, let's talk a little bit about this upcoming weekend's games. My Detroit Lions are looking for revenge. They're heading out to San Francisco. I know you are going to be rooting for the Niners and I respect that. But we already talked about what left the 40-9ers have to play for. We already said they've got a lot of guys on the injury list throughout this week already developing, so we'll see who even plays. But Dan Campbell is going on the road with the mission. He said, we are bringing everything we've got into this game, and we are playing,

and I don't care what it looks like and where it's at or with this or with what. We're going out to win this game out on the West Coast. Richard, I know you like Dan Campbell. I mean, how motivating is this guy? to the Detroit Lions locker room, especially after all they went through. Richard, he was on local sports talk radio talking about this team,

getting back to its roots and eating molded bread. Everyone's getting so used to eating that filet here in Detroit, and they forget that we used to survive on molded bread. That was his quote, and he got this whole city riled up, Rich, and motivated. How does he do it? Have you seen anything like this from a coach in your playing days?

Well, not from my coach, But yeah, I've seen motivation in different ways. You know, Pete was a different way of motivating than Kyle Shanahan. Both of them got their teams to Super Bowls. Dan is doing it a different way. Dan seems like the kind of coach that would turn the hot water heater off in the building. And just say it was adversity. And say, hey, fellas, this is an adversity we got to deal with this week and we can't complain.

Don't whine. Don't anything. And his team's going to respond to it. And all of a sudden, they're going to be talking about how the world's against them. And somebody cut their hot. water off, but it didn't matter because they went out there and practiced in the cold. And I love it. I love it, Mitchell, because they're going to take this team, Mitchell, and he's going to take

a team that's been eating steaks all season long and make them feel like they've been eating top ramen. And I love that because that's what a good coach can do. He can take a team that's really talented and continue to find ways to pull the right strings to push the right button to make guys feel frustrated, motivated. I'm sure he's going to show him tape at an NFC championship game from last season and how that game went, especially in the second half, and the things that went wrong, and the way this team celebrated, the way they were feeling before and the way they felt after, and try to get those feelings back. But the San Francisco

49ers are in a much different place. I don't think they're going to be as motivated. Obviously, they're going to go out there and try to win this game, but they're really banged up. They don't have the horses. Obviously, the offensive lines banged up, the defensive lines banged up, the secondary's banged up, the receiving corps has been banged up. You saw the mistakes made. The running backs are all banged up. Garindo, it's out there down to their fifth and six.

Is it fifth and six now? Running backs. But, you know, it's the National Football League, and they'll go out there and they'll have to go put a good showing on and try to play for pride because the Detroit Lions owe them nothing and owed them no quarter. And I don't think they're going to be giving them any quarter. And so they haven't give anybody else any quarter, Mitchell. They're the team that'll blow them out and go for two. And I think San Francisco understands that they got to bring their hard hats, regardless of the circumstances, regardless of the situation, you know who's coming to town and what mindset they're

coming with. So you've got to match that mentality or are you going to go home embarrassed? I'm going to double down on the last topic here, Richard. Would you be more upset if the Niners won this game and got their pride or lost this game and improved their draft position? Which one would you find is a bigger benefit for these Niners right now? It's always winning. Winning's always the bigger benefit. You know, draft is going to happen, how it's going to happen.

You never know who's going to be there. You never know how it's going to play or what players are going to actually be good pros that were good college kids. So I don't put a lot of stock into how these kids. are ranked coming out. You know, if you look at the top tens of some of these drafts, you'll see some players that aren't even on rosters anymore, two, three years later.

And you were looking like, man, I can't, I hope my team gets him and, oh, my God, we missed out on him. And the guy you got instead of him ends up being an all pro. And it's like, well, maybe we just lucked out. No, it happens how it's supposed to happen. So winning is what I think they should play to do. It's going to be a hard game for them to win. Detroit is a bully.

they play in the game the right way. They're built the right way. Obviously, we talked about their deficiencies on the defensive side. That's the only thing that will give the San Francisco 49ers a chance, and that's just a puncher's chance. And if they can find a way to somehow get to the quarterback, get to Jared Golf, that'll give them a puncher's chance. But it's going to be a tough game for them to win as banged up as they are.

But, you know, this is the National Football League, and anything could happen. We just saw the New England Patriots take the Buffalo Bills to the wire. we saw the Browns beat Pittsburgh and the Baltimore Ravens. So anything could happen. Certainly can. Well, Richard, we already talked about it yesterday, but this year we've got football on Christmas,

which is a Wednesday on Netflix. Apparently, Beyonce is performing at a half time of the Houston Texans Ravens game, and Lamar Jackson wants to see it. He says he's never seen Beyonce perform, and that's it that their game. So sorry Carball, sorry fellas. I'm not even thinking about the lead. I'm just thinking about seeing Beyonce for the first time.

No disrespect. I mean, Richard, I know where you'd be if Beyonce's performing at a halftime. Are you surprised by this at all from Lamar Jackson, the leader of the team? Yeah, yeah. I'm pretty surprised. But, you know, I understand what he's saying. But Lamar Jackson has a lot of money. He made a lot of money in this league.

Beyonce has many concerts and she performs all over the globe. I'm sure there's a time Lamar Jackson can go see her when she's not performing at half time while he's at work. But if his team allows it, if his coach allows it, if he's balling out in the first half, has three, four touchdowns and are double digits. I don't think anybody will have a problem with it. I think people will be like, man, he went out there, made a statement, watched Beyonce and walked away with a dub. It'll be legendary. And that's the stuff that makes sports fun. That's what makes sports amazing.

That's what is inspiring and entertaining about these athletes and these scenarios. But if they're tied or losing, I think you'll watch John Harbaugh walking into the locker room. Richard, let's get to some of these games here. We've got a game the night of Monday Night Football, not a whole lot of going on. The Green Bay Packers hosting the New Orleans Saints. This New Orleans Saints team is not the team we're used to seeing. It seemed to have lost their mojo. They've been riddled with injuries at key positions throughout the year.

Green Bay took advantage. Green Bay is now 11 and 4. We talked about it at length, but this NFC North is absolutely ridiculous. Two teams at 13 and 2 and 3rd place team, Green Bay at 11 and 4. Richard, have you seen anything like this in the division being this dominant, at least when it pertains to the record? I think we had one year when I was in Seattle where we, We were maybe 13 and three.

I think San Francisco might have been 12 and 4. And then Arizona was like 10 and 7 or 10 and 6. And they didn't make the playoffs that year because there were only six teams that made it at that time. Outside of that, I can't think of a time where it's been this crazy. I mean, this many double-digit win teams this close late in the season. And obviously the league is doing a great job of having these matchups the way they are. I mean, even the Saturday matchups that we just had this weekend were incredible. Baltimore Ravens, Pittsburgh Steelers, the Houston, Texas, Kansas City Chiefs.

And all they're doing on Christmas Day is flipping those matchups. So the Baltimore Ravens are playing the Texans now. The Chiefs are playing the Steelers. It's great December football. And I'm sure the NBA is probably really frustrated because nobody's going to be watching those NBA games. Because the best games you can watch are on. or in the NFL, and those games are going to be really good. They're going to have really monumental stakes, especially in the AFC.

Both Baltimore and Pittsburgh win, the end of the season is going to be up in the air who wins that division. If one of them loses, it's still going to be meaningful at the end of the season. But to talk about the New Orleans game and this Green Bay game, Green Bay looked really dominant. LeFleuille wanted to see how dominant they can be all three phases. They looked dominant, didn't turn the ball over on offense, didn't give up a sack, really efficient. Josh Jacobs ran the ball well. They were able to get the starters out for most of the fourth quarter. They were able to get some young guys in there and get some run.

Our guy, Kishon Nixon, friend of mine, friend of the program, sack force fumble in the game that, you know, had an impact, had really good coverage all game and starting to come into his own and going to be looking to get another payday soon from, from, from, one of these teams and just got one. But, yeah, they look like a really formidable team. Their defense pitching a shutout. This is the National Football League, no matter how easy you think the game is, how bad you think the team is. It's hard to pitch a shutout. Jeff Hathley is doing an incredible job with his defense.

Obviously, they got an interception in the game. They could have had two. I thought our boy, Xavier McKinney got another one right before the half on the Hell Mary, but couldn't get his other foot inbound. They looked like a really complete team. And I think that's what makes them a dangerous team in the playoffs is because both sides of the ball, they're really complete. They don't have to depend on any one player or any one side of the football.

They got a good D-line. They got a really good linebacker play. They got some emerging stars. Cooper, the linebacker slash end or whatever they got him listed as, emerging as a really elite player, both in the past and run game. Rishon Gary's having another good year. Xavier and McKillian. He's having a all-pro-pro-bowl year. We talked about Kishon and the impact he's making both in the slot and on the outside. Jaya Alexander, when he gets healthy, he has, you know, reputation speaks for herself, been one of the elite playmakers. And again, Jeff Hathley came in here and is making an incredible difference in his defense. It seems like guys are starting to buy in more, starting to understand what he's, what his mindset is. I think players relate to him. He's one of the better player coaches who listens to his players who communicate. with him throughout the week, has an open door policy,

lets guys come in and out and really hears their thoughts. And I think all the players have spoke to that. It looks really good. They're a very unique team. They've got no true number one wide out. They've got a bunch of guys that are high level number two receivers. It kind of reminds me a bit of when you were playing early on with the Seahawks and it was Doug, it was curse.

It was, you know, Golden Tate. It was these guys that were, you know, trying to really prove their name in this league. The question I have for you pertains to Jordan Love. I mean, we've seen it, you know, granted, Green Bay is pulling away with this game. There's no reason to throw the football. But statistically speaking, a 30-40-0 blowout, you don't expect to see a stat line is 16 for 28 for 182 and a touchdown and what easily could have been an interception as well.

Do you think this version of Jordan Love can take Green Bay to the promised land, can take them out of the NFC and at least get them in the Super Bowl with a chance to bring home the trophy? Yeah, Mitchell, I've seen it a lot of different ways Depending on how your team is And if your defense is playing well We did it and our quarterback didn't need to do a ton You know what I mean? He just needed to make sure he didn't turn the ball over

I think he had three total passing touchdowns In the entire playoffs during our run to the Super Bowl And Super Bowl win We had three games, he had through three touchdown passes And we won the Super Bowl by, what was it? 35 points And so yes, the formula can work but you need elite defensive play.

You need a great run game, and they have that. They have a bruising back in Josh Jacobs. They're drawing it, a scheme that fits for him. He does a great job of wearing defenses down as they go. They get turnovers on defense. They found a way to be really sound. That secondary is flying around. Their coverages are moving.

They're adjusting on the fly. They're trusting each other. You can see the chemistry, the camaraderie. In special teams, they're opportunistic. They, McManus is kicking the ball well, whether it's in the cold or under great conditions. He's doing a great job. So, yeah, you can get it done like this. You don't need the quarterback to throw for 500 yards and five touchdowns necessarily to win you the ball game.

You just have to avoid the turnovers. And that's going to be the thing. And I think that's what the floor is preaching right now to Jordan Love is, hey, this is where we need you at. It's almost like hitch, Mitchell. Hey, this is where you at, Mitchell. We don't need any of this. We just need you right here, Mitchell. Just stay right here.

Just stay right here. You don't do anything crazy. We got a chance. But it's when things start to go haywire, and you start to try to get cute, and you start to want to, hey, I want to show how talented I am. Right here. Don't go anywhere but right here, Mitchell.

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Another podcast from some SNL, late-night, comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odin Kirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? This Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds.

Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series

because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like, Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night bases on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He run up the court licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is, getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is, getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War.

To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that?

They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. you get your podcasts. Keith Giamanka seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy, but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out.

Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong or what that might look No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, they got in a game of the week next week for sure

as they go on the road and play the Minnesota Vikings with so much at stake, both for these teams in terms of seeding potentially and in the division. I know you like the Minnesota Vikings, but these teams are very similar in makeup and how they've been playing through the season. And do you think Green Bay can go on the road and steal a win from Minnesota? No, I think their best chance was to get them when they came to Lambo. Minnesota got away from earlier. They were able to roar back into the game and make it competitive and have a chance to win it.

I think it's going to be tougher for them to go into Minnesota. It's a much tougher place to play than people give credit. It's a really tough place to play, and they're playing really good football. I think Seattle should have got them last week, you know, without a few mistakes, a few blunders, a few mental errors. They could have won that game, but you've got to give Minnesota and Sam Donald a lot of credit. Kevin O'Connell, the way he's drawing it up, they're a really talented team. Brian Flores, the way this defense is playing, they have all the pieces in place.

The gink, the ginkler, Mitchell, the ginkler is out here having a pro bowl-type season, really fitting well in this defense. Granard is having a really great year. over there, Rich. It's just like he's the perfect fit for that Viking look. If he doesn't want to play for the team, maybe he could go be the mascot afterwards, Richard. I don't know.

He's the face of the franchise, Metro. The face of the franchise. But they're doing, Aaron Jones is running the ball well. They have a good chance. You know, they got to make sure the same things that apply to them. You can't turn the ball over. You can be fumbling to ball if you're Aaron Jones defensively. It is a feast or famine kind of defense because, you know,

they put a lot of pressure and then they pop out into that cover two or they bring the zero blitz and then they got to play zero and they disguise things and put Harrison Smith all these different places. Fitz pretty much said you should assume it's covered two every time when they pop out and if it's something else then you throw the hot as if it's zero coverage. But I think that's what Jordan Love has struggled with this season. He struggled with it when we went to Detroit and we had that game against the Detroit lines. That's what they did. That's how Aaron Glenn attacked him.

He brought pressure consistently, and that's the thing that's been Jordan loves Achilles' heel this season and a little bit of last season is dealing with pressure in his face. And I think they're going to try to bring a lot of pressure this game. Obviously, that's what Flores. That's what he lives off of. You know, that's his mentality. That's his reputation. And I think that's what's going to happen. And if Josh Jacobs continues to run the ball like he's doing, he's going to continue to get awards and be up for all.

pros and be up for things like our player in prime time brought to you by our friends and partners over at Brightling. Mitchell, he's running the ball as well as anybody. Obviously, he's seventh in yards right now. But when you look at every game, the eye test, you see him go in and he's just bruising, bruising. He never goes down from the first tackler. It's always two, three guys breaking two, three tackles each carry. He's a big reason why this team is having so much success while the mentality's changed. They're much more of a bruising physical team. And they can finish games. They can close games out. And he's been doing that. So obviously, he deserves to be our player in prime time this week, brought to you by Brightling. There are

very few backs playing better than him. Obviously, Sequin and Derek Henry have a case. We can't really talk about that. You know, what's wild about all three of those backs, Rich, is they were given up on by their former team last year. You know, it's the three, I was just going to say this. The three guys you just mentioned, all we're giving up upon, I mean, it's the resurgence of the running back, Richard. I dare I say the running back has made a comeback because you're seeing teams like the Lions that are spending high first round picks, like the Atlanta Falcons with Bejohn Robinson, and now teams are starting to pay these guys more. It's wild to me. And it's, you can kind of understand the trajectory of two teams. The Raiders

give up on Josh Jacobs for absolutely no reason. It's not like he got paid a ridiculous amount of money. He got paid what he was worth and frankly, maybe a little bit below what he's worth. And then you look at Sequin in New York. I mean, that might be a fireball offense. I know Jamara was very, very, you know, it hit him hard when he realized they could potentially lose Sequin.

I know, what is it, shown? Is that his name, the GM with the Giants? He's new into his tenure. I know he's taking a couple swings. You know, you got the DN from Burns from the Panthers and made a couple other moves in the draft. But I think not signing Sequin might ultimately result in the door closing on him. What do you think, Rich?

I mean, the decisions like that, do you think you give this GM another shot or you think he's going to be on the hot seat because of the decision like that? I think they'll give him another shot just because he says the right things. And sometimes if you look the right way, Mitchell, when you say the right things, you get time in this league, even though you make obvious. And the worst part about this is that you could see it, is that they were doing the hard knocks, and we got to see the behind-the-scenes stuff between him and Mara

and the conversations between he and Sequin. It made it look ten times worse, because you could clearly see Sequin wanted to be there and clearly see they didn't see the value that they had in him. And what was frustrating to me is it's not like you guys are paying a lot of people. It's not like you are an elite team that are paying all these crazy players and you've got to really count the salary cap and penny pinch. Like, he's your home run hitter. He's your franchise player.

And you're valuing a quarterback who's unproven and should have never got that kind of money over a back that's been homegrown and been a superstar for you, played hard, never, never really, you know, cheated you, never tried to take, take games off or give up on your team. He wants to be in the city. and you could see these franchises taking nose dives that did this. Derek Henry, what are the Tennessee Titans now? In disarray. Las Vegas Raiders. What are they right now?

In disarray. Go on New York Giants. They're going to be picking number one in the draft. Disarray. Got rid of the same quarterback they chose over Sequin Barkley. That's why it's a fireable offense because what are you doing? It's clear and obvious.

And it almost, you got to, to be blind or some kind of weird bias. Like, I don't know if he's blackmailing or something to not see that. And if you can't see those obvious things, what makes you think that you're going to see some obvious talent in the future? Like, you can make great decisions in the future. So I would get rid of him, but they're not going to. He's going to get another chance and another chance.

And then once he gets fired from here, somebody else will give him another chance. And that's how the league works, even though he made an awful decision, his thought process throughout the decision to get rid of Sequin was terrible. You disrespected the guy throughout the entire process, and you felt like, oh, he's disposable. Nobody else, hey, go out there and see what they're going to give you and then come back to us, and we'll sign you for what we told you. We're going to sign you for you. Like, that's not how you treat a guy like that.

You say, hey, name your number. We'll do our best to match. And if we can't, I'm sorry, we've got to let you go, but we gave you our best shot. You're not paying anybody. So that's why he knew you could pay him what he needs to pay him. And now you're watching him have an MVP season for a division rival. like that's what makes it a fireball offense you watch your team win two games and then marr is watching the philadelphia eagles and sequin run for what appears to be 2,000 yards this season a career year do you think they can

even make eye contact at this point richard because that's all i think about i think marr is watching saquan run wild and then the gm's coming in i can't even imagine them in the same room and watching Sequin highlights in Philly. To see what he's doing and how he's elevated that Philly offense is insane. And to let that talent walk out the door, it's mind-numbing. Let's talk a little bit about the Dallas Cowboys. They're on a hot streak here. I did not see this coming.

I don't know if you saw this coming. It looks like Cooper Rush has really settled in and found his pace. Unfortunately, it's too late in the season for them. They're already eliminated from the playoffs, but they're playing for that pride you talked about, Richard. How surprised are you with this Dallas Cowboy win? It comes at the cost of knocking the bucks out of the playoffs for the time being and needing the Atlanta Falcons to lose at some point later in the season.

How big of a loss is this for Tampa, Richard? And how surprised are you to see it come out in the win column for Dallas? This is a devastating loss for Tampa because, you know, obviously they had a lot of momentum going. They were playing really good. seemed to be in control of the NFC South. Atlanta seemed to be going and trending in the other direction with the way Kirk Cousins was playing and throwing the interceptions. And then it all falls apart.

And it has to be disappointing because it looked like at the end of that game they were going to rally and Baker Mayfield was going to come up with another miracle. He throws it to Rashad White on like a just a flip because he was in the grasp and about to get sacked. He was trying to avoid the sack, got the fallout. Rashad White broke a tackle, and then Duran Blan makes an incredible play, takes the ball from him, and that's game. And that's the most frustrating thing because I think he was going to drive him down the field and set him up for a game winning field goal. What they were made to field goal or not, I don't know, but it seemed like with the way Baker was playing,

they were going to have a chance at a game winning field goal. So if their season just went to, it's over because of a guy fumbling football, you know, in that situation, I'm sure it's going to be really devastating and disappointing, especially, knowing the way that Bucky Irving had been playing, and he wasn't in the game at that time. And that might be their season. And that was a team that, you know, you thought could be dangerous. You know, Bowles and this Buccaneers team is always dangerous in the playoffs. In Atlanta, he's playing Pinnock now, and he had a solid game, obviously at the interception.

Should have had a touchdown, but Kyle Pitts dropped the football, and that caused the actual cause the interception because it was a ball on his hands and he just let it go. He seems disinterested in playing in the National Football League right now, but that's just my opinion. But yeah, the Cowboys are playing good football. You know, they're a talented team. And when you came into this season, you thought they would be competing for the NFC East Crown. They have enough talent. You talked about how they paid Doc Prescott, how they paid Michael Parsons.

You know, they had Trayvon Diggs, who just went out for the knee surgery, says he's going to be out eight months. But DeRondland had an incredible season with all the pick six. It's surprising because of how the season had been going, but you can see this team is playing for pride. Cooper Rush is finding his legs. C.D. Lamb continues to have a really productive season, and it's good for them. You know, I think at the end of the season,

it's going to be another one of those things where they're going to look up around draft time and they're going to be picking at 21. They're going to be like, what happened? I thought we had a bad year. It's like not bad enough to pick low. But, you know, it's a good win for them. They play to Philadelphia Eagles next week, and we'll see if they can play with that same kind of intensity,

maybe, you know, pull out an upset then. The Bucks play, the Carolina Panthers who've been giving people a much better game. You know, they beat an Arizona Cardinals team that had a chance to still be competing for that last playoff spot, that last, that NFC West Division title. And they really ended that dream right there. And I think you got to give teams like that a lot of credit that continue to play hard, that continue to show up. Bryce Young is starting to develop. You could see him taking the next step

and the next step. So it's good for them. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called,

Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call. about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers.

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel,

help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast, Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed.

And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenge. challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid.

He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nass would get that thing. That man, hell get to fly. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you? You figure it out real quick.

Ah, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Keith Gianmanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad. But secretly, he became someone else, a master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy. but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out.

Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong on what that might look like? No, I didn't want to manifest that. I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. this is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the Civil War. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard. Get to the grocery store, I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway.

If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes, and Rebel Spirit Season 2 goes deep on both of those things, the fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence.

We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go on to buy or sell. This one is a weird situation.

It involves two of your favorite, I guess, quarterbacks and Kirk Cousins and Aaron Rogers and your former team, the San Francisco 49ers. Richard, with the state of the Niners and the Brock Purdy situation looming, by yourself, the 49ers will sign Kirk Cousins or Aaron Rogers this offseason. I doubt it. I doubt it. I'll sell that. I don't think the 49ers are going to sign either one of those because they won't back up Brock Purdy unless Kirk is

willing to take that role, which I highly doubt, because he still believes he's a starter in this league, and I'm sure there's a team out there that will need him to either mentor a young guy or be a bridge quarterback or something like that. He's probably reaching that point in his career, made enough money, obviously, but still has the pride and, you know, the ability to play at a high level, but that Achilles is going to wear on you, you know what I mean? And it's really impacted his performance. It's impacted his physical abilities and his ability to push the ball down the field, and you can see that. You can see it from game one.

You can see it in their run game. He's not the most mobile quarterback in National Football League, but he's a lot more mobile than he has been. And you can see the differences when Michael Pinnock's is in there. You know, just casual pocket movement, you know, getting out of there a little bit sooner, you know, running for a few yards here and there, making negative plays, positive plays.

And that's something Kirk just couldn't do with that Achilles. And I understand that. It takes a really long time for that to come back and snap back the way you expecting it soon. and I never played quarterback in the National Football League, but I'm sure it affects its mechanics driving the ball down the field. It'll be better next season, but I don't see him or Aaron backing anybody up.

So I think if Aaron's not in New York, I think he hangs him up. And I think if Kirk's not in Atlanta, another team will be calling him to have him at least compete for a starting job. Let me really think about it, Tennessee, A.E.R. You know, team like that that just doesn't have the quarterback and doesn't have the draft position to really get the guy that can come in and make an immediate impact. It's just wild to me. And specifically the Atlanta Falcons organization, what in the world is the GM's decision-making process with signing Kirk Cousins and then really reaching on Michael Panix,

Jr. He certainly looks like a hell of a quarterback and a steal at number eight. What goes for your mind as a GM, why in the world would you make that decision, especially now facing the reality of cutting Kirk and leaving millions and millions in dead money cap it for the next two seasons? Again, that's one of those concerning decisions that is kind of legacy defining at terms of like with your team. And they're going to be, I'm sure Arthur Blank is going to be taking a real close look at what happens from here on because it essentially looks like they paid Kurt Cousins $90 million for 14 games. And it removes the benefit of drafting Michael Penix

and having him on a rookie contract. I mean, the financial benefit from having a rookie is gone now because you're still stuck with this cap hit from Kirk Cousins. It's one of those moves, man, when it happened, I think it shocked everyone because you don't make it for a number of reasons and the biggest being financial. So I just, I don't get it, man. And like you said, I think this could be legacy defining for certainly this team.

This next one pains me. but it's an oncoming reality. Ben Johnson's one of the hottest names on the upcoming head coaching circuit. He's the O.C for the Detroit Lions. We see him get creative every single week. This week was the fake fumble touchdown pass to Sam Laporta. Ben Johnson will be the next head coach for the Chicago Bears by or sell. I can buy that.

I can buy that because they're probably the best job out there unless the Dallas Cowboys job comes up. And it appears that Jerry Jones is going to stick with McCarthy, at least as is. He hasn't fired him yet. The team is playing better. I think they're four and one over the last five. So all indications point to him continuing as the Dallas Cowboys head coach to,

I'm sure, the chagrin of the Green, I mean, Dallas Cowboys fans. I don't think he wants to take the New Orleans Saints job. I think Doug Peterson's going to be gone. But if he's not, I don't think Jacksonville is a really appealing job, depending on what they do in Las Vegas, still not better than the Chicago job. The New York position isn't better than the Chicago job, either one.

I don't think they get rid of Day Bowl, but I don't think the Jets is going to be appealing to anybody the way Woody Johnson treated Sala and treated the, whole situation and just their GM coach dynamic, the way it was built, wasn't something that would be acceptable to a lot of coaches. So I think Chicago is the only place that really makes sense for Ben Johnson. If he wants to be a head coach in his league, he'll have his pick of the litter. I think other coaches may be more desperate and may take one of these other jobs just because they, you know, they won't have the pick of the litter. They will have to just take

the job that allows them to be a head coach in national football. football league, but he'll get his pick. And I think the best pick out of all these jobs is probably going to be Chicago. Moving on, non-sports related, but somewhat sports related. Richard, I know you're a big holiday guy. I know you love Harry Potter and dressing up for Halloween and all that stuff. But buy yourself, Christmas is the best holiday. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. I have to buy it. It's not even close. It's not even, what other holiday is even competing with Christmas? You should tell Halloween. I can eat candy anytime and dress up. I wore hair, I could wear Harry Potter stuff on a random Tuesday in March.

Fourth of July is nice and warm, dude. You're out on the lake. I mean, Thanksgiving. You're eating a nice turkey with your family, Richard. Fourth of July, we want to honor the country and honor, you know, everything that happened. But no, it's not Christmas. Christmas means so much more because it's bringing people to You got the clay Christmas cartoons and shows. You got the Grinch. You got all the storytelling, all the pageantry around it, all the giving and receiving energy, just positive. You know, you got the song, All I want for Christmas is you.

Mariah Carey still making millions off the song. Probably the best thing she's ever done in her life. Mariah, what a song. Christmas. Mitchell, sometimes I catch myself in July listening to Christmas songs. And if I'm listening to songs from a holiday that's six months away, that's probably the best holiday. And that's where I'm out. I don't know why that doesn't surprise me, man. I can just envision you right now, driving down the road, listening to Mariah Carey on repeat and would not shock me one bit. Richard, like, we talked about we got Christmas, Christmas Day football, by yourself. The NFL playing on Christmas is awesome. Bye. Bye.

It sucks for the NBA, but, you know, we're football guys here. Give a day. Move your game. Movie game. Hey, I got advice for you. Get better. And that's that. But Richard, you're going to go and watch your Seattle Seahawks this Thursday take on the Chicago Bears.

It's time for our TNF preview presented by Prime Video. Richard, it's going to be cold. I hope you better bring a scarf, man. Bring your park up. bring whatever you got. You might want to wear. I thought that negative 3.5 was the weather, was the temperature for the game. I said, I got a little concerned.

I got to go jumping a cold tub at some point. Richard, it's not going to be negative 3.5 degrees, but it is a negative 3.5 point spread in favor of your Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks must win to keep any hopes of the playoffs alive. Richard, the Bears have lost nine straight. They're struggling. teams players on the team look like they're checked out but then again you're playing on the road you're going to a different time zone you're playing in a very cold environment what do you think

the Seahawks this week on Thursday do you think they can come out with a win yeah I think they'll come out with a win their defense has been playing while they played well last week except for a few bonehead plays a few mental errors that doomed them at the end of the game obviously but I think this will be a game you know they'll they can help them feel better about themselves. It'll help their D-line feel better. You know, they should get a lot of pressure on his quarterback. I'm sure McDonald will put a lot of exotic looks in front of him,

make him hold the ball even more than he already does. He's likely top three and most sacked quarterbacks in the league this year. So I expect that to continue. So this is a stat pad game. This is a game the Seattle Seahawks should be licking their chops to get after the quarterback, you know, get four or five, maybe seven, eight sacks. Gino Smith having a fishing game. This defense, though, this defense still can play. And they have some playmakers on defense. That's what makes them attractive team for head coaches because they do have a good defense.

They have the pieces in place. Their offense has just played so badly, at least at the quarterback position. And I know the numbers sometimes look like he's played better than what it actually has been because he's protecting his passer rating by not throwing the ball away and getting rid of it and taking unnecessary sacks to protect his stats. But this has been a not great season for him because you got to let the ball go. And at times people are like, oh, yeah, he's taking all these sacks to the whole line. But some of these sacks are four and five seconds into the play clock. And so when you hold the ball that long in the National Football League, that's an eternity.

And that's in his Achilles heel. And that has been his Achilles heel, even through the. process of evaluating him coming out of USC in Oklahoma. He wants the huge play. He doesn't want to take the checkdown. It's, you know, it's like the NBA right now. People are like, what's wrong with the NBA? It's like, guys can't make layups or mid-ranges, but they'll shoot 53s and make six.

And people will be like, yeah, he's an all-star. I don't want to see you miss 44 throws. I want to see you, I'd rather see you make 25 layups. You know what I mean? Make 15 mid-ranges and shoot 10-3s and make two. like I'd be okay with that, but he's always looking for the home run. And at times, the single is right there in front of him. And until he learns to take singles, he's not going to win consistently in this league.

And whether you have a good defense and run game and all the things that are necessary in terms of the formula for winning, until he learns to take the singles. Well, it's wild to think this is the final Thursday night football game of the season, Richard. it's time flies man i'm sure you've had some fun but on the road going to all these games but this is the last one so you guys have got to tune in make sure you check about seven o'clock eastern time on prime video check out richard in the gang richard we got one last thing much anticipated power rankings last week the detroit lion's fell from the one spot um i know buffalo was hot.

Richard, this week's going to be kind of a very interesting one because I think we might have a complete cluster, and I can't wait for you to line these up. What do you got for this week? Well, we're going to do it like we always

do it, Mitchell. Kansas City Chiefs, number one, Mitchell. They are still the top of the food chain until they're not, and they played well enough to win Patch Mahon's on my main core or whatever, not bum ankle. He ran the ball pretty well. Their defense played well. Unfortunately, Texans lost Tankdale. But Kansas City Chiefs, one, Detroit has to be two. I'll give him two, Mitchell.

I like it. Because Buffalo struggled with the Patriots, and I know Josh Allen said, hey, we're not showing everything we got. I've actually never heard of anything like that, at least said publicly in National Football League, where somebody says we're just not showing stuff until the playoffs, because we don't have a chance to one seat. I've literally never heard anybody say that, but maybe they have. And since they said that, I'm going to go with Minnesota at three, and then I'll go Buffalo at four. The fifth spot is where it gets interesting.

It gets very bexing. It gets very vexing in five, because on one hand, you want to put, you know, the AFC North in there, Baltimore. So with Amar and those guys did, there's a chance they could go in and win this week. a big win against Pittsburgh last week, so you can't put Pittsburgh there. Do you put Green Bay there, dominant win over the Saints?

But, you know, there's the Saints. Defense pitch to shut out. You also got Philly. I know that fan base likes for you to mention their name every once in a while as well. Philly's still 12 and 3, Rich. They are injured last week. That had a lot to do with probably why they lost that game. assuming he's back, that team's going to be full health-headed in the playoffs.

I do like that. I do like Philly with St. Juan, but, but, but, and, and, and Philly fans hate when I'm critical of them, you know, every team hates to hear the bad stuff about their team. You don't want you to just say, hey, they're going to win the Super Bowl, even if that's not true. But the five touchdowns Jaylon Jayden Daniels threw on them, 36 points on a defense that's been playing elite football. That's where, that's where, that's where the concern,

level is for me. Hmm, Philadelphia, Philadelphia. Off a loss do I do them in there. Off of the laws. Do I have done it? They still got a better record than Baltimore by two games. They still got a better record than the Pittsburgh Steelers who didn't play as well defensively. You've convinced me, Mitchell.

I'll put Philadelphia in there begrudgingly. I like it, man. I was interested to see how you'd unpack that one, Richard. Well, this concludes we'd say. We're on to week 17. It's going to be awesome down the stretch. This next week is going to be amazing. I cannot wait to flip on the TV on Christmas on Wednesday and Thursday before tuning in this weekend on Saturday and Sunday.

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