The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - DK Metcalf wants out, Seahawks cut Lockett

Episode Date: March 8, 2025

Richard Sherman reacts to the news around the NFL, including DK Metcalf requesting a trade from the Seattle Seahawks, Seattle cutting Tyler Lockett, the Los Angeles Chargers releasing Joey Bosa, the subsequent rumors that Joey may team up with his brother Nick on the San Francisco 49ers, Maxx Crosby signing a record-breaking deal with the Las Vegas Raiders, Saquon Barkley's new deal with the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles resetting the running back market, and the Kansas City Chiefs trading Joe Thuney to the Chicago Bears. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. It's the off-season, which means news is flying every day, so we got to give you more. more often. And this week we're hearing that D.K. Metcalf wants to be traded out of Seattle. He wants a new contract. We got the Luke news

of Tyler Lockett. We got Joey Bosa getting cut. It's so much going on. Mitchell, thank God your Detroit Lions are out of it for it, for a change. I was going to say, man, I mean, right after we wrapped the last podcast, we check out for about an hour or two, and then you log back in and you see

Tyler Lockhe gets cut. You see D.K. Metcalfe request to trade. You see Joey Bosa gets cuts. This is the offseason, new free flows throughout it. And we're here at the Richard Sherman podcast to give you our thoughts and impressions. Let's start with Seattle. The big, big news is D.K. McCaff allegedly wants out of town. You know, they have JSN there. They had Tyler Lockett last year. It looked like a position of strength. But now, D.K. Requested trade. Richard, where is your head at with this? Because it seems like it's going to release some ripples. I mean, we've seen it with other teams.

Tyreek Hill did something similar at a similar age. Devante Adams did something similar when he got out of Green Bay. What do you make of this D.K. Metcalf News? Well, I'm going to take it back a few layers, peel back the layers. If you look at last season, you could see the focus was on JSN and getting him the ball and featuring him in the slot and, you know, targeting him. And he was the most targeted receiver on that team. And down the stretch, when big games, big plays, they were going to,

him and it seems like that's the way this franchise wants to move. But then you look at this offseason and they fire Ryan Grubb and, you know, pick up Kubiak and they talk about wanting to run the football more and focusing on the run game. And if you're a receiver,

that is not what you want to hear, especially coming off a season that you felt like you probably wanted the ball more, needed the ball more. I don't know many receivers that never feel like they got the ball enough. And so, If you're D.K. Medcalf and you're looking at this situation and you're saying, hey, you guys want to run the ball more, you want to feature JSN, now I'm in the prime of my career and it's going to be pretty much relegated in this offense. I want out and I want more money. And again, it comes down to leverage. It comes down to him being able to stand 10 toes down. I mean, holding out isn't really an option. Guys hold in now, you know, showing up to. training camp showing up to minicamp and not playing is an option that guys have have used

and effectively and gotten the things that they wanted because it's harder to punish a guy that's holding in that's in in the building every day and you know going to meetings um doing treatment and just isn't playing you know this is going to be a a a real fork in the road for mike mcdonald in his seahawks tenure he's going to have to make a decision if you give him a new deal does it set a president that, hey, you know, all you got to do is ask for a trade and you get a new deal. Or is he going to trade him and say, make the stand that, hey, you come out disgruntled, we're going to do what's best for this organization, this team, nobody's bigger than a team, and then you trade him away.

And do you trade him where he wants to go and show a guy who's done well by this franchise loyalty? Or are you going to just trade him away to one of the worst teams in the league and kind of give you a, you know, know, hey, you know, like the Patriots used to do, they trade everybody to the Browns. It's going to be interesting. And I want to see how it plays out. You know, can they play hardball and say, we're not going to do anything, we're just going to make you play? I don't know. It seems like that will create distractions in the locker room, create more drama and, you know, a franchise that's trying to get back to the playoffs and trying to get back to relevance. You lose a franchise icon like Tyler Lockett in the process, a veteran presence, a guy who's just a do right, do things right,

always reliable guy in the locker room. You're losing him and getting this news on top of that. So there's just a lot of moving pieces that have to be navigated at this point. And I'm interested to see how Mike McDonnell does because this is an important offseason for him and John Snyder. What is John Snyder going to do? Are you going to be bullied into trading him away where he wants to go or are you going to stand your ground? What are you guys going to do? Because how this moves is going to impact a lot.

And you have to do it before the draft in order to get the draft picks to use for this year's draft. You don't want to wait until after draft and get draft picks next year that can't help you this year. D.K. Metcalf is a real life, a bona fide number one receiver for you right now. And people can argue maybe JSN is starting to transcend that. But if you don't get picks that can help you this year, you have made a mistake. Well, that's just it. And we look at some cops. I mean, let's talk about AJ Brown when he got dealt.

similar situation. Tennessee chose not to pay him. They go ahead and trade him to the Philadelphia Eagles. Richard, that return was a first and a third. They went on to use that first round pick number 18 overall on Traylon Burks. We've seen how that's played out for Tennessee. So, and then you look at the other side, which I already referenced, Devante Adams, requesting a trade out of Green Bay gets sent to the Raiders for a first and second. That didn't necessarily work out all that well for the Raiders. I don't know if they would have done that trade again in that situation. And then you look at Tyreek Hill, a first, second, fourth, and a sixth. You know, and Tyreek was at the top of his game, much like D.K., in his prime. But I don't know if the dolphins go back and do that deal. So, like, the Seattle Seahawks are seeking a first and a third. I mean, what team do you think takes the bait, if any? No team takes the bait. Because no team's that desperate, you know, I think teams are realizing that, you know,

there are, receivers are needed and they're important to these offenses. And you got to have two good ones. But there are good ones you can find for not $30 million. And if they can get him for this price, you don't want him disgruntled. So do you immediately pay a guy who has not played for you yet? 30 plus million dollars? Do you increase his salary when he hasn't teams have done it in the past? And I've never agreed with it. If I was an NFL GM, I'm not paying anybody until you play for me. I'm not giving you an extension until you show me. And you can argue about it all you want. Then don't come to my team because until you show it on my team, I'm not paying you an extension. I can franchise tag you. I can control you. I can do what I need to do to keep you.

You know, I think that's always a slippery slope. But it's tough because the amount you have to give up to get players like that, you're giving them both draft compensation and financial compensation. That's what makes it a bad deal for a lot of, these teams and it handicaps them going forward and they don't realize until it's too late. I think at most you get two thirds for them, you know, something like that, maybe a third, fourth, sixth combination, something like that where there's a throwaway pick in there. If somebody wants to give them a receiver in exchange, a third and another receiver, you know,

I think I've seen that floated around with the Green Bay Packers potentially shipping Romeo Dobbs out for D.K. Medcalf and add the third round pick to it. You know, that's something. But again, what president is that setting in Green Bay? Like, hey, he's the one, everybody who's been here grinding, working, doing that. You guys are behind him. He's the big dog. And, you know, sometimes that ruins culture. So I think DK's a great player and deserves the money and deserves what he's asking for. But is it going to make sense for a team to do that deal? That's what it's going to come down to. And I'm not sure there's a lot of teams in terms of a first round pick that are willing to do a deal in regards to that. Now, if you go in third or beyond,

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I know the fan base loves him. He's a class act. Any interaction I've ever had it with him, he's a great guy. You can speak a hell of a lot better to it, though. What's your reaction to this Tyler Lockett news? Did you see this coming? You know, I guess you see it coming eventually, especially with Seattle Seahawks.

I think it was Quandre Dix who said something on Twitter, you know, about Seattle and they're great players. And, you know, they never allow them to retire with them. You know, they always cut or trade. They're great players. And this is just another example of that. It's unfortunate. But, you know, the fans of the city are always like, man, you know, it's better for us to get rid of them. It's like, I don't know how these other franchises have got away with guys playing 20 years, 15 years of the same franchise and having some loyalty to them.

but unfortunately that's not the way it is with Seattle Seahawks, and I'm sure Tyler Lockhart wants to continue to play, and he'll get another opportunity probably with a contender. I wouldn't be surprised if the Buffalo Bills call him. I wouldn't be surprised the Kansas City Chiefs call him, you know, because he's just a reliable guy, a reliable receiver to him that has a great set of hands, always in the right spot, really smart, high IQ player, hard worker, great locker room guy,

great teammate, great guy in the community, you know, all the things that you would want in a player, he possesses. So he was a great teammate when I play with him. And I'm happy for all the success that he had in Seattle. I just wish, you know, they did better by their great players. But, you know, that's the story I've had for a long time. You know, you look at some of the all-time great players that have played for that franchise over the last decade. You know, Bobby Wagner, what happened to him? He comes, he gets shipped off. They don't resign him. And then they try to bring him back. and he has an all-pro season, and then don't resign him again.

He goes somewhere else, has an all-pro-po-season. And, you know, so that kind of kills the argument that, oh, man, it's because they're losing a step or because, oh, he's not the player he used to be. Like, nobody's the player they used to be, but he's still an all-time great player. And, you know, there's some part of this franchise where you're not replacing him with a better player, then allow him to go out on his tent toes with that jersey on. And when you don't, you know, you kind of, lose the luster for the franchise. And I think that's what's happened a lot of times. And that's what's

happened again right now, you know, with Seattle Seahawks. They're losing an icon of the last decade for this team. And, you know, I'm sure if there was a chance at a reduced salary and allowing him to continue, he would have done that. But, you know, it's something to be said when they don't give them an opportunity to take a reduced salary and say, hey, man, just give me the veteran minimum. Let me finish out my career here. And, you know, or let him get beat out. You know, if it's obvious, hey, he's gotten beat out. Like, you don't have, you don't have three more receivers better than Tyler Lockett on that roster.

And if you trade DK, you're going to be wishing you add him back. And so. Exactly. Yeah. Richard, he's got the type of game that just doesn't age, like somebody else's game. I mean, he's notorious for getting down once he catches a ball. He's not really a yak king at all. That's not really his game.

He's just a locker room guy that's in the right position for the quarterback to deliver the ball at all times. He's a safety blanket, the ultimate safety blanket for the Seattle Seahawks offense. And it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me why you would move on off the field. I mean, and Richard, you can talk about this as well. I mean, Tyler Lockett has developed a name from himself, not as a football player, but also as a realtor in the Seattle market. I mean, the guy is so involved in the community, you just hate to see a move like this and how it ultimately upends everything else you've built off the field as well. One guy that might be very interested in bringing him into his ball club is Pete Carroll, the former head coach of the Seattle

Seahawks. I mean, he's looking to build a culture there in Vegas. Would Tyler Lockett be that perfect partner out there in Raider country to bring that new culture? Yeah, I think it'd be great on the Raider side. It'd make sense for them. I don't know if it would make sense for Tyler to do that because, you know, he's at the end of his career. He wants to be in competitive games down the stretch. He wants to be in playoff games. I'm sure he wants to ring on his finger. And so looking to the contending teams, you know, that's probably where you want him to look in terms of finding his next opportunity, whether it's, you know, one of the teams we just talked about, Buffalo or Kansas City or if you go NFC, you know, the Minnesota Vikings wouldn't be bad. They had a winning season last year. Your Detroit Lions, you know, depending, they're pretty full over there.

And he does a lot of things that Amun Ra does. So I don't know if he would fit that offense particularly. But I think that's what he's going to be looking for, an opportunity to play meaningful games down the stretch. I wouldn't be surprised the Dallas Cowboys called him. But again, C.D. Lamb is in a slot doing a lot of his damage. But, you know, Tyler Locke could help that team. He could help a lot of teams.

So I think that's what he's going to be looking for. But again, going back to the franchise, it's like, I don't know what it would take to retire a Seahawk at this point. You know what I mean? For a guy to finish his career where he started, what they would have to accomplish to finish their, career there and not get cut by the or not be resigned by this franchise. You know, I mean, Bobby's been a all pro every single season since Jesus was a baby.

And he still didn't get resigned. And he's gotten cut before. So I think it's hard for me to understand that and just really wish, I challenge the fans. Tell me what it would take to retire. See, you outside of leading and playing up somewhere else and coming back and retiring there. You know what I mean, I don't know what they expect from these guys to retire there. And I think their, you know, fans get, you know, up in arms at times about how players feel about certain franchises. But it's a weird deal.

It's a really weird deal. Let's go on to Joey Bosa, you know, Nicholas John Bosa's brother. And so let's switch our hats because I think there's a chance. I think there's a chance it happens. Now, it has to make sense. Joey Bosa has been a really productive player in this league for a long time. but he's been very injured, very beat up, banged up the last couple years, hasn't been as productive.

Only five sacks last year. You know, on the surface, it sounds like a really cool story, two brothers playing together. I think it would be a really cool move at the right price. You know, obviously this would be an incentive-based deal, you know, because it would be pending Joey's health, you know, so you'd have per game roster bonuses in there. You know, if he's active, if he's playing, bang, he gets paid that day,

are. You know, you want you want things like that to protect the team and still give him a chance to make his money. And I think, you know, if you go five sacks, 10 sacks, seven or eight sacks, you know what I mean? Those plateau, those things. If he's hitting those numbers, getting him his money. But anything over $5 million, even with that, is a stretch right now. But I think it'd be great for Nick. I think you still got to build that D-line. You've got to get great de-tackles. I think Jonathan Allen may be made available. I think that's somebody who would work in this defense and would be a great piece. One of the great run stoppers in this league, I think he's the guy that they need to look at, but getting joy as an accessory piece,

you know, as a rotational pass rusher would be great. You know, I don't know if he can play 40, 50 snaps a game, you know, but a guy coming in and paying 20, 25 snaps, I think he'd be effective and I think it'd make his brother really happy. Well, they just released Javon Hargrave, Richard, so they got some extra cap space. How realistic is it, though, because I'm sure there's going to be some other suitors. I mean, my Detroit Lions, I assume, are going to make a phone call out there to Joey Bosa. And we all know edge rushers come at a premium in this league, but you're right. I mean, Joey Bosa is 30 plus years old and his best years are more than likely behind him,

especially with the last three years being often injured. You've talked about the Niners. They need help on the defensive front. How much do you think this Javon Hargrave release is going to further impact that for him? He signed for a four-year, $85 million deal back in 2023, and has already seen as somebody that's not going to fit with them anymore. It's them trying to make a decision early. It hurts in terms of their dead money. It increases it.

I think they've got the most dead money in the league right now. But I think it's something that had to happen. He was injured last season. He hasn't been as productive the season before as they would have wanted. And they need to find some impact players, some real run stuffers there. I expect him to be really aggressive in free agency in terms of finding run-stopping detackles that can get the job done. That's important for them right now. And so this is a move they had to make.

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deal three year, $106.5 million, $91.5 of which is guaranteed. He's the highest paid non-QB and NFL history. What's your reaction to this deal? It's great. I mean, he's been a really great player in this league for a long time, and he deserves that. You know, the Raiders are showing him respect, the respect and loyalty that he deserves. And he's up the market. It makes the rest of these deals look like a bargain. But again, going back to Micah, Micah Parsons, now. the price is going up. Now the, now the number's 35.5. And he'll want 36 or 37. And so instead of giving him 33 or 34 that you would have had to give him a year ago, you're waiting and waiting and the price just continues to go up. And that's going to be an issue down a stretch.

Another person who just got paid, Sequin Barkley, except the, you know, we were talking about running backs not being important. Running back's not getting the money they deserve. And here comes Saquan Barkley getting $20 million a year extension from the Philadelphia Eagles. That's really great. Congratulations to him. Congratulations to the running back market. Hopefully this pushes the rest up and forward. You could see James Cook with the eyes looking at this deal, thinking he's going to get something in that ballpark. I don't know. I don't know if the Buffalo bills will do that. I think it would be $17, $16, $17 million. But still, that's better than we're talking about, you know, last season, just last offseason. We're talking about Derek Henry.

you're getting what, $8 million and Sequin getting 12 and a half or whatever it was from the Philadelphia Eagles. And like, man, like every other market is going up substantially. And a running back market is 12 and a half. And so now it's starting to increase at the pace that it needs to increase. And I'm happy to see that. I'm happy for the running backs. Happy for Sequin and his family he deserves it. It's a good day to be a running back.

I will say that. I mean, how much does this go on to affect the rest of the market? Because Seekwan was so dominant. I mean, he was in the MVP conversation. you don't see that very often at that position. Kudos to the Philadelphia Eagles for taking care of them. Another stray shot to the New York Giants and their mismanagement of that situation. I mean, here's a guy that deserved the money.

He's still athletically in his prime. And he's being taken care of by the franchise he's playing with now after bringing home the Lombardi. How does this affect the rest of the market, though? Because do you see a trend where we're going to see running backs getting paid $20 million plus going forward? I specifically want to ask because we got some big names coming up, Bejan Robinson, you know, my guy here in Detroit, Jemir Gibbs, these guys are going to be up for extension here

in a couple of years and it could be a position that they deserve to make $20 million at at that time. Yeah, I think this is the way of the world. You know, this is capitalism. Everything goes up. I think the receiver market is going to go stagnant at some point because they have grown too much over the years for the amount of. of impact they have. And I think that's happened because of how much TV time they get, all the

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back market. Everything else was going like this. And the running back market wasn't growing as the salary cap was. And I think this was a natural correction. I don't know if many running backs can ask for what Sequin did because he had once in a lifetime kind of season, but I think $17, $18 million for those running backs is going to be a reasonable ask and a reasonable number that they'll receive. Let's turn our attention to the Chicago Bears. They've made a couple big moves in the trenches here this week. Richard, you've always emphasized strength in the trenches.

And Ben Johnson came from the Detroit Lions organization that was known for having a top five offensive line for the last few years. And you can see he's making this a point of emphasis there in Chicago trying to protect Caleb Williams. They go out and trade for Jonah Jackson, who was a starter for the Detroit Lions for a number of years before signing with the Rams last offseason. He's familiar with Ben Johnson and his scheme. And then they go out and get Joe Thunei from the Kansas City Chiefs, who, frankly,

I didn't even know he was available. You know, I thought he was going to be a stalwart on that old line for the Chiefs for the next few years to come. They go out and trade Kansas City a fourth round pick for him. What do you make of these upgrades to the O line for Ben Johnson? Do you expect Caleb Williams to have the year he should have here in his sophomore season? Yeah, I expect him to be standing upright a lot more. Joe Tony did a heck of a job for the Kansas City Chiefs, moved out to tackle late in the season through the playoffs.

Did an excellent job at that after having an all-brose season at left guard. I think this is going to be really great for Caleb Williams. I think the interior offensive line is important, you know, allowing him to feel comfortable and take his drop and be able to step up and feel comfortable. I think this is a great job out of Chicago Bears. This is what they should have done last year when you first get this quarterback, but, you know, better late than never. And I think they're going to continue to strengthen this offensive line,

strengthen that defense, and really, really take a leap next year. I think into being into at least a playoff team with these moves. You know, I think Ben Johnson is going to study Caleb Williams and what he does well this offseason and give him an opportunity to do the things he does well consistently. He's going to support him with a great run game. They have really good receiving core dynamic, three different dynamic receivers. It's going to be a fun year to be a Chicago Bears fan. I was just going to say, Ben Johnson's going to bring some new energy in the building there.

we've seen him a little bit catch some headlines. He called out Matt LaFleur in his introductory press conference said he can't wait to be in the same division again as he was in Detroit because he specifically wants to beat Matt LaFleur twice the season. And then we see him at the Combine talking about how this is the first time that he's going to have a mobile quarterback and almost, you know, and then Jerry Goff catches a stray. What do you make of some of these comments that Ben Johnson has made?

Is it something as a team, you know, if you're playing under the, this guy? Are you applauding this, or is it something that it's negative attention that you want away from your organization? Well, I think it's too early to know, you know, I think you got to wait and see. I don't think it's too negative attention, you know, there's rivalries in NFL that, you know, I mean, I'm okay with a little bit of stirring a pot. You know, look like you talking to, Mitchell, starting a pot is okay with me. If you want to stir the pot and you want to bring back the rivalries and you want the coach to be part of the rivalry, okay, I like it. I'm here for it. players got to back it up.

And so I don't think any player in the national football league is afraid of a challenge. And, you know, afraid, oh, man, don't, don't, don't, don't say too much, Coach. We don't want him to be upset. I don't think you're going to run into a locker room and find a guy like that. If you do, he's getting run out of that locker room very sooner. He won't be putting pads on for much longer. But I think it's fine. You know, I don't know if Jared catching strays is the best, but I don't know if he sees it as him catching strays because he's not mobile.

Jared golf, Jared golf couldn't, Jared golf ain't, he's not running, Mitchell. He's not, Jared golf is executing from that pocket. Anything outside of that is extra, you know, icing on the cake. And I think, you know, be careful what you wish for because mobile quarterbacks, there's positives and negative to everything, you know, there's positives to a pocket passer, quick decision maker, and there's positives to a guy who's mobile and get out of the pocket and get out of harm's way. but there are also other things you're going to have to coach.

Once you get out of the pocket and decisions, throwing across your body, certain mistakes that are made that he may not have run into. So be careful what you wish for. I think Caleb Williams is going to be a good quarterback in this league, but there's other factors associated to mobile quarterbacks that Ben Johnson has not had to deal with. Well, this is our second podcast of the offseason.

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