The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Josh Allen is NOT NFL MVP + Browns-Broncos reaction

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

Richard Sherman reacts to Jameis Winston throwing for nearly 500 yards in the Cleveland Browns' loss to Bo Nix and the Denver Broncos, the San Francisco 49ers placing both Christian McCaffrey AND Jordan Mason on IR, and Houston Texans linebacker Azeez Al-Shaair apologizing to Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback Trevor Lawrence for the hit that knocked him out of the game on Sunday. After, Richard breaks down why Buffalo Bills quarterback Josh Allen should NOT be the favorite to win NFL MVP over Philadelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, explains why the upcoming matchup between the Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals should provide clarity in the NFC West playoff picture, and previews the Thursday Night Football matchup between the Detroit Lions and Green Bay Packers. #volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Brightling, getting us right, keeping it tight. Had a really fun game tonight. The Cleveland Braille. in the Denver Broncos, James Winston. I mean, if nothing else, he's always fun to watch. James is always fun to watch. It's always going to be a lot of yards. He's going to put some points on the board.

If they didn't have, if they didn't start, if they started James to this season at the beginning, they might be in playoff contention. I mean, he's beat two really good teams in their division. He beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. He beat the Baltimore Ravens. And he just plays at a really high level, Mitchell. And I know he had three interceptions.

since he forced the ball in there, and he had been really accurate throughout the night, and it wasn't anything crazy. He was behind on the second pick six. I think Elijah Moore could have probably tapped him down and ended that play. But, I mean, outside of that, he pushed the ball down the field, 497 yards.

You just don't see that very often. I think it's a Cleveland Brown's record, at least in the modern times, broke the record for, for, or offensive output. And I think he's sending a message to Browns fans in that front office that, hey, not so fast. Be careful, just letting me go.

And maybe he's auditioning for other teams. And other teams are saying, if you need a bridge quarterback or somebody who deserves a career, rejuvenation or turnaround, I think James deserves it. You know, I, again, I always sit there and get flat for comparing him to Trevor Lone,

and Daniel Jones, but I think he's better than both. If I'm being honest, I think he's a better quarterback than both of those guys. And I don't think he gets the same kind of respect because he's throwing all the interceptions. But to throw for 5,000 yards in the season, 30 plus touchdowns, of course, he had the 30 interceptions and that kills him. But if you look at a lot of these other guys, they're throwing a lot of interceptions, they're throwing a lot of turnovers, and they don't have the kind of yards. They're not taking the kind of risk.

They're not as productive as James is. And if you talk about these receivers, I'm sure they love playing with James Winston. You look at Jerry Judy today in his revenge game against the Denver Broncos, nine catches for 235 yards and a touchdown. And he could have had more. James missed him on one of them. Elijah Moore, eight catches for 100 yards, 200 yard plus receivers in the same game. And it's not like he's doing it with the most elite weapons in the world.

You know, Jerry Judy is a good player. He was highly touted coming out of Alabama. but Elijah Moore also highly touted, but they had not been as productive as expected when they came into the league and look at them. Look at them under young James. But huge win for the Broncos and young Bo Nix, 1835, 294 yards.

The one touchdown had two interceptions. You can't try Denzel Ward too many times. I mean, a heck of a play by Denzel Ward on a deep post-coversing mems. He made a number of really cool play. in this game. The Denver Broncos did enough to win the game. Jalielma Loughlin really started to get hot in the second half, started to run the ball well. Javante Williams and Michael Burton get the goal line touchdowns. Marvin Mims has the huge play. 93-yard touchdown ends the game with three

catchs for 105 yards. Cortland Sutton, another 100-yard game for him. But the huge plays were Nick Benito and Jaquan McMillan touchdowns. Obviously, his defense gave up a ton of y'all. Vance Joseph puts these boys in really difficult situations. And at the end of the day, it was a long day for, you know, as a D.B., as a corner, when you're giving up the kind of passes that I think it was Levi Wallace, was giving up in this game, I feel for him because the fans are going to beat you up. You're going to beat yourself up. You've got to go back and watch that tape.

It's not a lot of answers. It's hard positions he's getting put in covering the receiver with, nothing but space. I mean, at the end of the day, Jerry Judy could have ran any route in the world and had all the spaces. If the pressure doesn't get home, that's the weakness of the coverage.

I think Dancer Joseph knows that when he calls it. They actually caught them in that coverage twice. He missed Jerry Judy on the right side. They flipped it to the left side later in the game. Bombs over Baghdad touchdown. I mean, that's just something that Denver is going to have to live with. Obviously, they're down one of their best corners, so they're just going to have to figure it out in the back end.

And obviously, that's a weakness. that Cleveland thought they could exploit, and other teams would look to exploit that. But huge game, huge win for Sean Payton and a Denver Broncos. Huge revenge game for Jerry Judy. Happy for him. I'm sure he would have wanted to help his team get this win. But his career high in a game,

coming back to Denver, showing these fans what he's really capable of. When he has a quarterback, they can get him to ball, when he needs it, how he needs it. I think it was positive on both sides. Browns go back to Pittsburgh, to play the Steelers, see if they could steal another win from them in this division. The Broncos head to a very well-deserved bi-week late in the season. That's the kind of you love, Mitchell.

Yeah, they definitely are the beneficiaries of that, Rich. And more talk about James here. This guy, there's no way. And I know we've already talked about it in previous segments, there's no way this guy is not a starter in the league. I mean, you take the name and the numbers off these guys' backs and you just throw all these quarterback. into the ring, James is going to be one of the top 32 in the league.

There's no question about that. It just goes to show you how he can elevate the people around them. This was a career day for Jerry Judy and for Elijah Moore. I mean, both of these guys, both Elijah Moore and Jerry Judy were considered, I mean, I don't want to call them bust, but underwhelming out of college for their draft positions. And both of them are now on their second teams with the Cleveland Browns. And it seems like they must be very thankful to have a mature James Winston, a season, James Winston back there who's taking a lot of steps since his days in Tampa Bay.

This guy's really impressed me, man. And I think if he's not to start in Cleveland next year, he's certainly going to have a shot to be a starter somewhere else because there's at least a dozen teams that would love to have them right now. Richard, this is a huge one for the Broncos. I mean, the AFC playoff picture is pretty much closed out almost at this point. The last team really with much of an attempt is the Indianapolis Colts and the Miami. be dolphins far behind the Broncos. So the Broncos neither of this one big time. But we saw some flaws in them defensively.

I mean, their defense was this highly touted defense that was really taking over games for him. But we saw some flaws. Fortunately for them, they came up with three huge interceptions, two of which were returned for touchdowns. But what really impressed me today about them is Bo Necks. I mean, this guy, the second half of the season, and I know he's not the Vegas favorite to when offensive.

rookie of the year. I mean, that's, that honor goes to Jaden Daniels right now per draft Kings. But Richard, I make the case for Bonex here. How is he not overtaken Jaden Daniels at this point, especially with the commanders having the struggles they've had over the last month? Well, Jaden Daniels has just been more consistent throughout the season. Obviously, he had the three games skied or four games skied where things didn't go his way, but, you know, he comes roaring back this week with a huge game. And his team has just been a bigger surprise. I think. Obviously, in this NFC East, you know, they've lost games, and I think they're second right now in NFC East. But I think people give Jayden more credit for just from beginning to now.

He started off really efficient, breaking records for efficiency over his first four or five games of the season. And it's really cool to see Bo Nix do what he's doing and start to turn it around the way he has, but I think Jade and Daniels just had too much of a lead early in the season, and if they continue to win and make the playoffs, I think it's just going to be really tough for him to catch him after everything

that, you know, he did earlier in season. You know, he was the number two pick, and when you start the season off hot, sometimes people just don't forget it. Sometimes they do, but I don't think they will, and if he continues to play like

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of the podcast, we had speculated it. might be a serious injury with Christian McCaffrey. He certainly looked that way. Today we find out there is a PCL injury. He's going to be out six weeks, which means he's out for the year. To add insult to injury, Jordan Mason also goes on IR with an ankle injury. At this point in time, you just throw your arms up in the area and start waving the white flag in San Francisco, or where's your head at right now? I don't think they have the guys to wave the white flag.

I don't think they're built like that. But I think you do have to start playing young guys. You have to start considering whether you bring Trent Williams back this season or not. Or do you just let him rest and heal up? Obviously, you know, prayers and condolences go out to Trent Williams, you know, dealing with a very, very tragic situation. I cannot imagine. And so all the loving world goes out to him.

You wonder if you just don't let him. let him let Jalen Moore get some reps, let this offensive line, try to hold it together. Obviously, you want to protect Brock Purdy, and I don't think Trent Williams is built like that. If he's healthy enough to play, he will be out there playing football. But I think that's something you need to consider. Obviously, Nick Bosa, I think returns, but do you need them to return right now? They pay him a lot of money, but I don't know. I think at this point, you know this has been a struggle of a season,

and I think you changed the perspective. You know, it's a disappointment. We clearly understand how much of a disappointment is to the players, the fans, coaches, everybody. But it's a fun game. It's the kids game. And you've got to keep that in perspective, and you've got to find a way to motivate these teams going into these games.

And if nothing else, have fun. Have fun. Let's open the playbook back up on offense. if Isaac Garindo is the guy, then maybe we have fun, put some trick plays in there to keep the guys happy. When your offense, obviously, try to score points, push the ball down the field,

but play like you got net and to lose. Like, unfortunately, this season hasn't gone to how you wanted it to, but all the pressure that's been on them all season, I mean, the pressure's off now. I mean, it's very unlikely, barring, you know, miracle, really that they make the playoffs.

And if they do it, be really cool. If they do, it be great. But I think you have to allow these players to play free, let the young guys play free, and tell these guys, like, remember why you play the game. Remember you why. Don't let all the pressure, let all the circumstances dictate how you go out there every Sunday

and play. Don't let the circumstances change how you go out there and do your job. And I think if you find a way to inject some fun and some energy back into this team, maybe guys respond better. they have a winnable game this week against the Chicago Bears. I know it's unfortunate, but it's probably a blessing in disguise for Christian, you know, just allowing his body to rest and reset.

Injuries like that happen because he works really, really, really hard, and he's pushed his body to the limit just to give himself a chance to come back and play for this team. And so it's really unfortunate that he had the injury, but I know those Achilles were still hurting him. I know his body was in shock just, coming back and being asked for what he's been asking it for. Next year, you can start off fresh, ready to go, and be ready to reset and play with a fire. And this time, they're going to not be front runners for the first time in a long time.

You know, people are going to be asking questions. Is it over for San Francisco 49ers? And I think that'll be positive. I think going to the next year, you're going to get a bunch of guys that are super hungry to get back to back to the top of the mountain, Richard. And the window, like you talked about yesterday, it's not closed. They still got a lot of talent in the house. And they've got, they've been able to develop some guys,

Diomador and Lenore being one of them. There's some other guys that are going to be able to continue to elevate their game. Let's see what Isaac Arendo does down the stretch here, too. He's flashed some speed and some explosiveness. So the division's still on hand. We'll see what happens with San Francisco 49ers. but another former San Francisco 49ers now where the Houston Texans made headlines over the weekend. Aziz Al-Shayir absolutely obliterated Trevor Lawrence when Trevor Lawrence slid.

I know he was a former teammate of yours. I know you guys probably have some sort of a relationship. I know he's a fierce competitor. And this kind of stuff happens from time to time. And he seemed genuine in his apology post game. But, you know, what do you make of these sloth? lighting quarterback hits that we see from time to time. Obviously, it looked brutal in that moment, but what do you make of this?

Well, first off, you know, thankful that Trevor is okay. You know, that's the first thing. But Z's is a really, really good guy, you know, a pure football player as I've ever known. And I think that, you know, when people start to get to a space where they're calling guys dirty and acting like he intended to hurt somebody. Like, get the, we can hurt people in this game. Understand that. Like, understand that, please, fans.

If we want to hurt people, they will be hurt. And it's not a sliding quarterback. You don't have to hit a sliding quarterback. We can get to them if we want to. We can hurt people. That's not why anybody plays, and you get bad karma, you get bad, you do. You did not make it all the way to the National Football League by trying to injure people. he is a good human being.

He's a good person. And people were putting some really nasty stuff out there, bringing his religion into it, bringing all this nonsense into it. Like, get out of here. Get out of here with that nonsense, man. It's a football play. And you don't understand how fast this game is.

And you don't understand how fast you have to make decisions. So it's really frustrating to hear fans talk about it. Oh, it's dirty. And he intended you're slow mowing things down and being like, oh, look when he started his slot. I don't know when he's starting to slide. Quarterbacks are fake sliding and getting picking up. I mean, we saw Patrick Mahones done it multiple times, multiple weeks, and got 30 plus yards.

And we've seen it in college football. We've seen in the National Football League. And Aziz is at the first down market. He knows exactly where he is. All he's doing is playing good defense and trying to stop him before the first down market. Trevor is trying to be greedy, get a few extra yards before he officially slides. Don't play that game, Trevor, because you play that game and you're playing with fire. This is a violent game. Five, ten years ago, it's, it wouldn't have been a flag at all.

It would have been, hey, start your slide earlier. So it's one of those plays that's a bang, bang, play. It happens really fast. And when you're going to hit, once you commit to hitting, he's going to, he comes with violent intentions. I'm sorry, he plays middle linebacker, a very old school way. He, he's going to arrive violently. Watch him play the game. He's going every time. It doesn't, it's not because he's a quarterback. If it's a tidy in, a running back, a tackle, he's going to arrive violently. That's how he plays the game. It's an unfortunate hit.

It happens. This is the National Football League. Trevor understands what he signed up for playing in a national football league. He understood what could potentially happen if he slid late. And that's what happened. You know, he got flagged. He got ejected. He'll get fined.

Those are the consequences of the play. Just stop, man. This game has gotten too soft already. And everybody's blaming it. oh, well, this player safety, they don't really care about the player's safety. They care about offensive player safety. That's what has come down. That's what this game has become, offensive player safety,

because you're letting defensive linemen get chipped to all get out and you're celebrating it. Hey, did you see how that running back crushed that dealings, ribs, or really chipped them or are blindsided them and knocked them to the ground? And everybody's celebrating. Oh, yeah, look at that. really, really cool play. But then when, that's a defense of this defenseless player, he's going to engage a tackle. He's not trying to engage a running back.

So when you sit there and blindside him, that should be a flag. And I've talked to the competition committee about this. But again, they want to protect quarterbacks. You don't want to put, is it protect everybody or is you just protect offensive players? Because that's what it seems like a lot of time. So when offensive players have to deal with a little bit of physicality, everybody goes all up in arms. Like, go watch the highlight tapes from the 2000s, please. Go watch the highlight tapes from the 90s. Then you come back to me and tell me how many of those plays will be legal today.

That's what this game was built on. So I don't want to hear people sitting there coming at him with ridiculous takes because he made a football play or he made a really fast decision, split second decision, because those you're the same fans that if your defender gives up on a play and lets a quarterback get a first down, you're like, oh, man, like so lazy. Show better effort. Like, how are you going to let him get the first down? Like, that's how quick you have to think on a defensive design. You have to assume he's going for the first down.

When he takes two extra steps unnecessarily, when he sees you in front of him, he sees that, hey, I'm here to stop you. I'm not going to let you go. And you take extra steps. You're telling me you might be trying to go. And so once I commit to make a tackle, it's hard to pull up. Again, Zee's is a great dude, a great human being, a fun dude. And I'm happy that he got to apologize.

And of course, it's heartfelt that he's a genuine human being. He wouldn't say it if he didn't mean it. So I'm happy he did that. But I hate all the nonsense that has talked online, Mitchell, because you guys just, I mean, stop watching football if you feel that softly about it. Like, just go watch something else. Go watch soccer, you know, and watch them flop around and do all that. Don't watch this game.

You're not wrong. I mean, couch critics on social media, they will get the best. And to your point, Richard, I don't know Aziz. I know you know him well. But seeing the way he handled the situation postgame, you can tell that was not his intent. And, you know, the way he handled it was like a man. So kudos to him for the way he handled it after the fact. Richard, let's talk a little bit about this MVP race.

We talked last night about it. And you said Josh Allen should not be the leader or is not going to win the MVP is what you said. But Draft Kings and Vegas in general thinks differently. They have Josh Allen as the leader of the clubhouse at a minus 225 odds with the closest person next to him, Sequin Barclay at plus 350, followed by Lamar Jackson at 900, golf at 1,200, and Mahomes at 2,800. You have that much conviction in you. You're still seeing, after seeing this and hearing this, you still believe Josh Allen is not going to win the MVP.

Well, because I just don't know what it's based off on anymore. You know, it used to be based off of elite stats and, you know, really, really special performances. And Josh Allen's team is having a special performance, and he's performed special in certain games. Not that he's playing bad football by any stretch of imagination. He's playing really good football. but MVP level used to be held to a higher regard.

And just like last year, everybody was killing me because I was like, Josh Allen has 40, what do you have, 44 touchdowns last year, 44 total touchdowns. Yeah, about 4,300 passing yards. He did have the 18 interceptions. That was the red herring that, but I was like, that's a great season. Like, that's an impactful season.

That's a season worthy of MVP consideration. And this season, he's going to end up with a lot, I can't say a lot less touchdowns, but he has 20 pass and touchdowns, only five interceptions, which is a huge improvement, 334 rush yards, six touchdowns, and he still has five games to go. So, you know, that 2,691 yards will probably get closer to 4,000 if he, what is that? Let's see, if he gets 250 a game, five games, that would be, yeah, it'll be right under right about 4,300, something like that. But I just don't understand it when the numbers.

I'm not talking about anything but the numbers, guys, just like I was last year when I said, Lamar with 24 passing touchdowns is going to be the MVP, and they told me, yes, I'm sound crazy. I'm stupid. I'm an idiot because I don't think he should get it because those numbers aren't really all-inspiring compared to his MVP season where he had, I think,

I believe 36 passing touchdowns, and I think he had, I'd have to go back and look, but eight or nine Russian touchdowns. And he just had a lot more that you looked at the stat line and you said MVP. Like if you look at it and you say, hey, completion percentage, does he lead the league? Is he top five? No. Passing yards. Same. No.

Passing touchdowns. No? Interceptions. He's probably. close to up there, but then you look at Burrow and Lamar, and you're just like, well, Burrow is just being let down at this point, but we're going to get to him later. Then you look at Sequin Barkley. Over 12 games, he has 1,500, pretty much 1,500 rushing yards, averaging 124 yards a game,

almost 125 yards a game, 11 rushing touchdowns, which should be 15 if it wasn't for the Tish push, and them giving it to Jalen, hurt from the one-yard. yard line four or five times, 275 touches, 1,700 scribbage yards. That's starting to sound like an MVP numbers with five games to go. So if you say he averages what he averages for the next five games, what is that, 600 or so yards. So that put him over 2,000 yards for a running back, that would sound like an MVP season. be leading the league and all those categories. MVP, that's what I'm saying. Like, don't get mad at me

because the numbers are the numbers, guys. MVP's usually lead the league. Now it's become such a popularity contest of, hey, man, everybody's making a lot of noise about these guys making special plays that the numbers don't even matter anymore. When I, let's get to Lamar Jackson, when I sit there and say, man, Lamar Jackson's having an MVP season, he has almost 600 more yards passing yards than Josh Allen, nine more passing touchdowns, two less interceptions, three, it's completing a higher percentage of his passes,

has almost 300 plus more rushing yards. Don't call me crazy. These are the numbers. His team is 8 and 5, sure. Could he have run a little bit more last week? Sure, give you that. And will he win, MVP without his team being a one or two

seat? Probably not. But the numbers are the numbers. And just like Joe Burrell, Joe Burrell is being let down in such a criminal way by his defense and it's it's really sad.

I mean, to score 33 plus and four games and lose all four of them, to have MVP numbers over 12 games and there'll be four and eight They showed a stat where the quarterbacks had, you know, I think it was 3,000 plus yards, 30 touchdowns, or it might have been just 30 plus touchdowns, five interceptions, over 12 games. And I don't think it was Tom, it was Aaron, it was Peyton, it was all them, and it was 10 wins,

11 wins, nine wins, I think nine was the least. And then it was Joe Burrow at four wins. And it's just like, my goodness, what a wasted year for him? And I can't imagine how he feels because you're looking at that tape and trying to see what else he could have done more. But again, you look at his stats. 3,300 passing yards leads to the NFL, 30 passing touchdowns leads the NFL, 5 interceptions. MVP. If Josh Allen had those numbers, I'd be sitting there saying, you guys are silly.

Give him the award. Walk away. Like it's done. But he has 10 less touchdown. 10 less. Like that's a huge. number to have less than. And so I don't understand.

People are acting like I'm hating. I really like Josh Allen. We just had their game. We talked to him. He's a great human being. He's playing phenomenal football right now. But is it MVP level? I don't.

Maybe I'm looking at something different than you guys. Maybe I'm looking at something. And yes, I've watched the Buffalo Bills play. Yes, I understand how dependent they are on Josh Allen, performing at a high level to win these games. I fully understand that. but but do the numbers not matter anymore if they don't then okay then you got it then then maybe then maybe it's going to go to jared golf because they'll they'll mess around and get the one seed

in the nfc he'll have 71% completion percentage 2,900 passing yards 22 passing touchdowns nine interceptions like they're 11 and 1 though you know like what it was What is the criteria now? I'm just baffled. I'm bamboozled. I'm flummox. I don't get it. Hey, it's us,

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Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me.

with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defining the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game.

We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying.

He running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out. real quick. Ah, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family and of the country that shaped us.

The United States will not stand by and allow any power, however great, take over another country. From IHeart Podcast, Saigon. Please allow me to introduce Joseph Sherman. You don't think I'm serious about a free Vietnam? I should stop talking so much. I like hearing you talk. One city, a divided country, and the war that tore America apart. This is for Vietnam.

I've taken a hit from Japanese ground fire. Do you rate me? They're pouring petrol all over him. He's holding matches. I'm on a landmine. Four free time. Let's get out. Freedom from Vietnam.

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I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Farrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Farrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers! What are the nippers? Very good question.

No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault? And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused. But this did not abuse the cops.

Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I do have a lot of respect for Josh Allen. I think he should certainly be up there in this conversation. But to me, it's like the season that Saquan Barkley's had is unbelievable.

He looks like he looks like he did at Penn. state when he was just running all over people left and right every game. And the way he's elevated and provided such a new dimension to this Eagles offense, Richard, you can just see it happening. I mean, it's repetitive. The Eagles team with him at the running back position, they just grind people down. And by that end mid to late third quarter, you can just see the tide turn and shift to the Eagles. I don't think they're going to be anywhere close to 10 and 2 without him.

And just the way he's been playing, if he does not win the MVP, what in the world is it going to take for a running back to win an MVP? Because there hasn't been a running back since 2012 when Adrian Peterson won it. Right. And that's what I'm saying. Like, if you just look at the numbers, I just don't understand it. Because if you tell me a running back has literally rush for over 2,000 yards. And obviously it's 17 game season.

It used to be more rare over 16 games, but still give him credit because that's still over 100 yards a game. And you say that Josh Allen finishes in the positions that he is in now. He'd be 13th and passing yards, tied for sixth in passing touchdowns. I don't know.

I just don't, I don't know because what does it mean to be MVP? Most valuable player in the National Football League, If you're saying just the most valuable player in the league to his team, Sequin is the most valuable player right now to his team. Take him off. They're different. You take Josh Allen off of Buffalo. They're a lot different too.

They're bad. You take Joe Burrow off the Cincinnati Bengals right now. I mean, they might get relegating. We don't do relegations, but if you follow major league soccer at all, but teams get sent back to the developmental league. if they're not competing hard enough. And if they didn't have Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, that's not disrespect T, they might be relegated, Mitchell.

So I just, I don't know, maybe he gets hot and has a few 300-yard games and really pats those stats and gets into the top five in those categories. But I just don't, you know, I don't understand the fixation where it's like, like he's the, like, clear face. favorite, you know. It'd be different if it's like, oh, they're all, but you're saying he's a clear favorite. What numbers justify it? You know, that's it. That's all I'm saying. Josh, if he's going to win it, he's going to win it, just like last year. I said this and Lamar still won it. Lamar deserves it this year, and now people are going to tell me he's not going to win it. I'm just like, I don't get it.

Because there's a quarterback capting in a team with a better record, Richard. And, I mean, to his credit, He did catch a pass for a touchdown, throw a touchdown pass, and rush for a touchdown pass last night. Which was really cool. But then if you say if you're quarterback, captaining a quarterback a team to a better record, then Jared Gough is doing the same thing. I agree. And I'm all aboard that Jared Gough for MVP train. You already know that, Rich. If he wouldn't have thrown those five interceptions, it would be a lot.

It would. It would. It would. Let's talk about some of these divisional races right now. Let's start with the NFC West. I know that's near and dear to your heart. And right now the Seattle Seahawks have a game lead over the Cardinals and the Rams with the 49ers two games back.

Richard, do you like Seattle? I mean, bias aside, do you like this team to come out of the NFC West? Well, I was about to switch hats, but I don't even feel like certain hands right now. I do. I just, this game against Arizona Cardinals this week is going to tell us a lot. If they win that, then I feel really good about their chances to come out of this NFC West. Barring, barring some disaster down the stretch, you look at Linder Williams playing

defense, playing really, really, really fantastic defensive football. That defense just seems like it's feasting. Their energy is high. They're swarming. Ernest Jones has looked like a godsend coming in and really, really making his name known and making his impact. Tyrese Knight got a turnover last week making his presence known flying. around hitting everything moving.

They're just better fits in this scheme than the backers before. Tyrell Dodson, you know, who's now with the Miami Dolphins. They just look like they're doing the things that Mike McDaniel, I mean, Mike McDonald envisioned when he got this defense together.

I think when they play like this, their offense will eventually come. If they give Gino time, he'll get it done. Arizona is one of those teams that brings a lot of pressure. It'll be exotic. I'm sure. short Gannon will figure some things out and really come up with a great plan. If they can stop the run, that's going to be important.

James Connor has been known to close the game out. If they can stop the run and beat Arizona again, and Mitchell, they're going to be feeling sitting pretty, pretty good in a good spot going down the stretch. The other team to worry about there is the L.A. Rams. I mean, obviously, you give Matthew Stafford any opportunity and he can be dangerous, but this Seattle Seahawk team has looked completely different over this last three-game winning streak. So you got to give them a lot of credit. And like you said, this game this weekend is going to be the divider.

If they can go up two games on Arizona and just have to worry about L.A. down the stretch, really, that would be a huge weight off their chest, no question. Let's talk about my NFC North. I know you're coming into town this Thursday to watch my Detroit Lions take on the Green Bay Packers. Right now, Richard, as good of a season as Detroit Lions can have, it's been a dream season, 11 wins, one loss, best, you know, starts of the season in franchise history. And you'd think they just have a cakewalk for the division title, but that is just not the case at all. The Minnesota Vikings are a game back. Green Bay Packers are two.

And obviously this Thursday is a huge opportunity for the Packers. You know I love the Detroit Lions. I am very much so worried about them for these next two games because they need to get healthy. They've brought in four new bodies to this defense right now. If you look at the roster from the beginning of the year, and I know I'm talking to a guy who has been following the 49ers for the past several years, but this season, let alone, you don't have much sympathy for the injury bug. But this Detroit Lions team is decimated with injuries.

They've got to find a way to beat the green. Bay Packers and get to the long week because they're going to have nine, 10 days off to get healthy. It's so crucial that they get a win this Thursday and then they can rest up a little bit on a mini half by week before Buffalo comes into town. These next two games are going to mean a lot for the division. Richard, who do you, do you like the Lions? Can you boost my confidence a little bit here?

Yeah, I feel good about what the Lions are going to do. It's a division game. So even if you're fully healthy, it's going to be a dog. fight. So don't, it's going to be an ugly, just like every other division game is going to be ugly. It's going to be close. It's going to come down to the wire. Do you trust your running backs and your offense to execute? I think they're going to lean on the run game with David Montgomery and Jemir Gibbs running at football. Your boy Sam LaPorter will have some matchups that he can find. They don't bring a ton of pressure, but when Jeff Hathley does bring pressure, it usually

gets home and it usually is right on time, but this offensive line, this is what they're built for. This is your time to shine. The time of possession is going to be the most important thing in this game. And you just need that defense to get a few stops. You need a few stops. You need them to drive down the field, getting the red zone. You need red zone stops. You need third down stops.

You need to be masters on third down. Yes, they can score some points. But again, Jordan Love can be really, really like all pro level fantastic when he's threading a needle and completing some really, outrageous passes that very few quarterbacks can make, but then you look on the other side and he'll throw the ball to the other team a lot. And the guys that are healthy

talking about Kirby Joseph and Brian Branch your safeties, there's 11 picks between those two alone. So if they can do what they've done all season, Kirby Joseph has seven Brian Branch has four, if they can do what they've done all season, then I think it'll be fine. If they can just get one or two turnovers, give that offense,

one or two extra possessions to really grind that clock down and just get out of here with a win, get you to that by week. I think it's going to be, it's going to be fun, fun day. But this is a tough opponent, and their defense can turn the ball over. Xavier McKinney, friend of the program, has, I think he has seven interceptions now. And he finds a way to get that ball. So Jared's going to have to be very careful putting the ball up around his vicinity because he will come down with it. I'm sure they'll push the envelope some with James and Williams down.

the field, but I'm and Ross St. Brown will be working at Intermediary area, and so we'll say I'm LaPorter, but I think LaPorta and Jamir Gibbs are going to have to be the keys in that passing game this week for you guys to come out with a win. Richard, I will be in attendance,

and you will be there as well. That's this week's Thursday Night Football Preview brought to you by our friends and partners at Amazon Prime video. Make sure you guys tune in this Thursday at 7 p.m. to watch Richard in the gang. Hopefully I can get some screen time on there, Richard,

with my in my seats. I'll be yelling my face off. Go lines. We'll see what happens there. Richard, let's talk about the AFC North. These Steelers, I mean, we've talked about them enough, and they've certainly deserved to be so prevalent in our conversations, but they have proven to so many people how good Mike Tomlin is as a head coach.

I mean, not many folks thought that much of the. this team coming into the season. Not many people knew it was going to be to make of Justin Fields and Russell Wilson. They've got a two-game lead over the Baltimore Ravens. I don't think a whole lot of folks would have seen this company. Do you think that they can hold off the Baltimore Ravens down the stretch with this two-game lead? I do. I do because the Baltimore Ravens just keeps stumbling down the stretch and they have tough games coming up. That lost of Philly was really, really, really damning to their hopes of winning this division. Because that would have gave them a chance.

You know, I thought the Browns beating this Pittsburgh Steelers really was a mulligan for the Baltimore Ravens. Like it gave them another opportunity. They were right there, still one game back, and then they lose to Philadelphia Eagles, a really tough game, and put themselves in a very difficult situation.

And they're not in control of their own destiny. They're going to need some help. They're going to need some Pittsburgh Steelers' losses coming up in the future for them to have a chance. But the Pittsburgh Steelers have done a phenomenal job, and Mike Tomlin has his hands all over it. You just look at these games when they needed the defense to play well and keep the score low.

The defense has played well, kept to score low. When Russell Wilson's needed to do more and have a career night, you know, second most yards in his career, he scores 44 points when Joe Burrough scores 38. even when the defense is having a tough night, they find a way to get turnovers. You know, T.J. Watt is relentless. He's going to find a way to impact a game in some way. They find a way to score on defense.

And that's what's made this season really special for the Pittsburgh Steelers. George Pickens, obviously, Tomlin talks about his maturity level with some of these penalties and just unnecessary things he does. But his talent is undeniable. He's made huge, huge plays for this team, especially, on a deep ball. Calvin Austin has been a revelation in the past game. Always been a speedy, you know, return guy who can impact the game that way. But this season, Russell Wilson has trusted him to put it past the ball, giving him the ball, give him opportunities down the

field, and he's really taking advantage of him. So I don't see him catching them right now, you know, with how well they're playing on both sides of the ball. When one side struggles, the other side usually picks up the weight, and they're going to be a really, tough out in the playoffs. Let's take it to the NFC South. We've got really a two-team battle between the Atlanta Falcons and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Falcons

have been struggling of reason. They have to a six and three start of lost three in a row. Meanwhile, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have overcome a lot of adversity losing both Chris Godwin and Mike Evans and back-to-back weeks, but they've been able to weather that injury storm and now won two straight

and tied it up with the Atlanta Falcons. The momentum seems to be swinging, to Tampa Bay. Do you think Tampa can pull this off down the stretch? Yeah. I mean, Baker. Baker is a reason. Baker is doing whatever is necessary to get the job done. And again, Mike Evans comes back. Baker, Baker, they talked about it on the broadcast. Baker knows exactly the amount of yards. Mike Evans needs to get a thousand yards. And he said he needs 99.2 a game, I think he said. And he's going to make sure he gets it. He had over 100 in this game. really incredible one-hand catch in the end zone.

And he just brings so much gravity, and he opens up so many things in his offense. You've seen Bucky getting a lot more space in a run game because Mike Evans is back in the lineup. And even though he gets all this attention, he still has 100 yards, eight catches. Defensively, they've got a veteran defense that's going to make enough plays when they need them,

got banged up. In the secondary, our guy, Jordan White, head out for the season with a, I think, a torn pet. Mike Edwards, who just came back, a guy who's been with Tampa for a while. They know him. One of their favorite guys gets injured with a hamstring. And so they have to overcome those things. And I think they'll be fine.

Hey, it's us, the Jonas brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

First people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down?

Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, for people could call in and say, hey Jonas, and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest,

SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows. Without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall.

And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball, like,

after you go through a training camp with that, I said, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Saigon, the story of my family, and of the country that shaped us.

The United States will not. stand by and allow any power however great take over another country from i heart podcasts saigon please allow me to introduce joseph sherman you don't think i'm serious about a free vietnam i should stop talking so much i like hearing you talk one city a divided country and the war that tore america apart this is for vietnam i've taken a hit from japanese ground fire deuterate they're pouring petrol all over him he's holding matches I'm on a landmine. For free time.

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This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever guest. human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny, Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell. They called to his fellow officer for the nippers.

What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see. There's only one way to know.

This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Richard, this past week, Matt Eber Fluse got fired, I guess, a couple days ago.

there's a bunch of other coaches that are on the hot seat right now, Brian Daibble with the Giants, Antonio Pierce and Doug Peterson, all these teams are two and ten. You know, I don't know how much can be blamed on dayball and Antonio Pierce. A lot more of that looks at the roster construction. Doug Peterson's been dealing with,

you know, the issues, I think, with Trevor Lawrence and other things in Jacksonville. But who do you think of these three is the first to go next? I'll just give me my opinions on it. I don't think Brian Dayball needs to be fired. I think he was giving a fair shot. You signed Daniel Jones to a deal that is not the quarterback he would pick.

I don't think, you know, I'm sure he makes the best of the situation with what he's got. But like you said, roster construction has been an issue, especially on the offensive side of the ball. We all saw the behind-the-scenes videos talking about Sequin Barclay and, oh, oh, he'll be fine. He won't get the money and he won't have an impact. and people don't do a running back. Well, he went somewhere else and had an MVP season. And I'm sure Debo would have to have Sequin Parkley and his abilities on this offense this year, along with everything else.

He didn't have it. He made the best of the situation that he had. They're going to need to show up this offensive line. Unfortunately, Dexter Lawrence, arguably their best player, goes out with a dislocated elbow. You lose your left tackle and just been a rash of injuries. I think you have to start over, and Daveo deserves the ability to come draft a really good young quarterback and help him develop

and run an offense, pick a tailor-made guy for his system, and then see how it goes. Get an offensive lineman or two and free agency and then see how it goes. I don't think he deserves to be fired without seeing how he would do with a young quarterback who's really talented and one that he picks. And what about Antonio Pierce? I mean, I feel like it's almost the same story with him. He was interim head coach, right, last year and then ultimately took over. And I think his background, being a former player, really rejuvenated that team.

He brought a lot of energy. And you can tell he's an energetic coach that is very passionate. Do you think he is the right fit in Vegas? I think he's the perfect fit in Vegas. I think they set him up for failure. And if you fire him, It's such BS. It's such BS because you didn't give him a good enough team to do anything more than what they're doing.

They had the Kansas City Chiefs, 11 and 1, number one record in the AFC, on the ropes, done for. But he's had to do this with Gardner Menshoe and Aitin O'Connell. These aren't necessarily elite quarterbacks. They've done a really serviceable job. They had Devante for a little while. They traded him away. You let Josh Jacobs go. And so you knew that this wasn't going to be an attractive job this last offseason.

So did you just give it to Antonio Pierce so that he could bite the bullet this season just to fire him until it was a more attractive position when you have a high draft pick and you can get a quarterback of the future and you can move on like that? If they do that, I'd be. so pissed off because that's total BS. You set the man up for failure, expected him to fail, fired him for failing with no chance to, yeah, I hope not. I hope not.

I don't think he should be fired. Same situation with Dave, except he hasn't gotten enough time to even build a team. I mean, draft some really good players and see what we could do. They'll have a high draft pick this year. I'm sure they'll get a quarterback. I'm sure they'll try to attract some more playmakers

on the defensive side of the football. Helps help out your past rush. Help out your offensive line. And let's see what happens. But he hasn't been given a fair shake. So if they fire him without giving them fair shake, then this was just a setup. This was a poison peel setup job

that you guys just wanted him to bridge until they got a pick until more attractive coaches come knocking at your door because you have the number one or number two, or number three pick of the draft. So no. Doug Peterson, I mean, he's not going to fix Trevor Lawrence.

Nothing's going to fix him. And they're going to keep blaming him as long as he's there for Trevor Lawrence's shortcoming. So, I mean, I think he should go just so that he doesn't have to continue to deal with that. Because no matter what, that's what they're going to do. They're going to blame him when they lose. And then if a new coach comes in, they'll, and a new, you know, highly touted offensive coordinator come in and they struggle again.

And then people will start to finally say, maybe the quarterback isn't the guy. What's going on in Jacksonville is just wild? Because this team was in the playoffs a couple of years ago. They were red hot. I mean, I think there was even a poll going into last season, which organization would rather be the Jacksonville Jaguars of Detroit Lions? And the majority of folks picked the Jaguars. So, like, this team was set up for success too.

You had a high-end quarterback, a number one pick. He had the other number one pick and Tavon Walker. They had all these guys that were supposed to blossom into stars. And they just haven't. And it's just been this downward spiral. I don't know when they're going to be able to rise back up, Rich. It's so surprising to me. But point being, to echo you here, they're going to use Doug Peterson as the shield.

I mean, he's going to be the one taking the blame for this. And ultimately, I would not be surprised at all to see him the next domino to fall in terms of coaching firings. Richard, let's move on to buy or sell. I'm going to state some statements of fact to you and then ask you to buy or sell them. We've got some good ones that go around. I'm going to start with this. If you're a head coach, the bear's job opening is an appealing one.

Buy or sell. Buy, buy, buy, buy. Like, was it in sync or was that Backstreet Boys, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. I think it was unsank. Yeah. Bye, but I'm going to have been backstreet sports. That's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. We don't want to offend anybody. They have cold following. Be careful. Bye. It's a really attractive job. They have good players on defense. They have good players on offense.

You got a quarterback that's starting to figure it out. And just needs some structure and a system in place. Swift looked like a really, really serviceable, good running back. Bye. I think, I think somebody can step in. there and make them a playoff contender right now. Let's move to the Falcons. With the struggle of Kirk Cousins, your boy, Kirko, the Falcons should start Michael

Pennix, Jr. buy or sell? Sell, sell, unless we're trying to get people fired. Because if you're sitting $50 million on the bench, somebody got to go. Somebody got to answer to that. And not that Pennix wouldn't be, you know, an upgrade or whatever. but you're paying Kirk $50 million to play quarterback right now. He's struggled with this game. Sure, you've got to stick with him.

He's also thrown for $500 in a game. So you have to stick with him. And if you concede that he's not the guy right now, which I don't think is the right way to go about it, somebody got to go. Richard, Sam Darnold has the Minnesota Vikings out to a 10 and 2 start. I don't think many people saw this coming. He has completely rejuvenated his career

after bouncing around from team to team over the last couple seasons. It seems like he's found a home in Minnesota. The problem is Minnesota just spent a top first round pick on J.J. McCarthy, who went down with the injury this year. Sam Darnel's going to be a free agent at the end of the season and is undoubtedly going to want to raise. The Vikings should give this man a raise and bring him back, buy or sell. Bye, buy. You go with a known commodity over the potential unknown.

And I think he'll be fine. You know, I don't think, I don't know. I don't know what he'll ask for. But I'm sure he won't, I'm not sure about anything because you deserve what you deserve. They go to the playoffs. If they somehow make a deep running to the playoffs and you don't bring him back, that would sound pretty dumb to me. But we have to figure out what the number is.

You know, is it 35 million? Is it $30 million? Is it $50 million now? Is it a year-to-year deal? and you're just grooming McCarthy to replace him. But I don't think you go into the year next year with rehabbing McCarthy as your number one quarterback if you've made a deep playoff run with Sam Donald. I think that would be a mistake.

And I think, you know, the team and the fans would want to see Sam Donald run it back again if they're able to do something in the playoffs. Now, if they have a first one-and-done playoff run, who knows? You know, it's still been a pretty good season, a pretty successful season, by most metrics. So, I don't know. I think I buy that they should bring them back. We already talked about the Detroit Lions and their injuries. Richard, they've faced tough opponents coming up.

We've already discussed that, too. By yourself, the Lions will not have the one seat in the NFC when all is said and done. buy no sell sell sell that sell that sell that because they're a tough team but they're going to be beat to crap when it's the playoffs so they're going to need to buy their own they're going to work their beehons off to get it because with that schedule it's just a rough

and ragged season at the end and then to end it with San Francisco in Minnesota it's a gauntlet it's a gauntlet and you're going to be beat up. So I think they can find a way to get it done. You know, I've got to go look at Philly's schedule and see who they have. I think they play the commanders again.

But, yeah, I think they can figure out a way to win those games, especially if they win against Green Bay. I think they'll have some answers for Buffalo. It's not in Buffalo. Thank goodness. And it's in Detroit. That'll change some things for me. I think they can go to Chicago and win.

in a little turmoil going on there. And San Francisco's, you know, been beat up, but they'll probably be getting healthier at that point. Minnesota will be fighting for their lives at the end. So it's going to be tough, but they can do it. It is going to be tough. Richard, I feel like I know the answer to this one, but I'm going to ask it anyways.

We heard on Monday night football tonight, Troy Aikman was talking about playing in the snow. We played one time in the snow when he played for Dallas, and he said it was the most funny he's ever had. That was because he was a quarterback. and he said no one else could really move. So he was just doing his same thing and it was just a slower game.

But Richard, I know you've had experience playing in the snow. I know you've had one game against Minnesota that probably was some of the worst conditions that you've ever played in your life. But buy or sell, playing football in the snow is indeed fun. Sell the heck out of that. Sell it all. Sell it all.

Don't leave any crumbs. I play corner, the hardest position on the field. So you're telling me it's the worst conditions you can move in, one slip and it's over, and you've got to try to ice skate and cover receivers that you don't know which direction they're going. They can turn on a dime. And if you make one mistake, it's over. Sure, quarterback, it's fun.

Hey, they're not, pass rushers can't get there as quick. You probably get hit a lot less. Your receivers are running slow, so it's easier to hit them on the run. Cool. Not at my position. My position, it makes it even more stressful and even more chaotic. Sale. We'll have to take Troy Aikman up on that then.

Richard, we got to move to your power ranks here, man. This is the part of the show that I want to, again, I'm giving you this Honolulu Blue watch for you to wear on Thursday and hopes that you'll continue to show love to my team. Richard, how do you stack them this week? This week, Mitchell, I'll go with your Honolulu Blue Detroit Lions at 1. I was lied to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play the Raiders. I don't think they should have won that game, but they did win that game.

So what they should happen did happen, but I can't put them at 2 right there with that performance. I'll give Buffalo that nod, even though they have two losses in Kansas City only has one. I know people are going to talk about that. Kansas City at three. Actually, where am I? Actually, Philadelphia at three. Kansas City at four. Wow.

Yeah, Philadelphia beating Baltimore was a big deal. So I'll put Philadelphia at three. Chiefs at four, Green Bay at five, so we can have a top five matchup in our power rankings this week. Okay. I'm sure the Steelers fans and Minnesota fans will feel slighted, but we can't fit everyone in there. We can't feel everybody.

and somebody will come out this week. Somebody will fall through. Well, unless Detroit loses and they'll stay. Well, Richard, that concludes week 13. Next time I see you, we will be in Detroit. I know you got a guest on tomorrow. Richard, sign us off as we conclude week 13. Well, thank you guys for joining us again.

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