The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Michael Irvin on Cowboys, Jerry Jones, winning Super Bowls, Miami hype | Richard Sherman x Radio Row

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

Hall of Fame wide receiver Michael Irvin joins Richard Sherman live from Radio Row ahead of Super Bowl LX between the New England Patriots and Seattle Seahawks for a candid, wide-ranging conversation on football, culture, and staying connected to the game. Irvin explains why he’s so hype on the Miami Hurricanes sidelines, how mentoring young players brings him purpose after retirement, and why being present around the program means more to him than just watching from afar. Irvin also dives deep into the Dallas Cowboys’ direction, breaking down roster decisions, chemistry in the receiver room, and why relationships between star players matter more than outside noise. He shares his thoughts on Jerry Jones’ approach, the value of draft capital versus proven stars, and what Dallas must do defensively to truly compete for a Super Bowl. Plus, Irvin and Sherman discuss why turnover-driven defenses win championships, the importance of dominant interior defensive linemen, and why coaches like Al Harris deserve more recognition for their impact.   All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We at the Super Bowl. We're one of the greatest wide receivers to ever grace the National Football League. The playmaker, Michael Irvin. Appreciate you joining me. Man, come on, man. Start playing, Sherman. You look good. I see your shoe jacket combo right there.

You're throwing down. I'm trying to get it together. You get it together, Sherman. It's so great to be here with you, man, at another Super Bowl, sir. How do I get to look like this when I'm your age? Man, come on, man. You know, hey, first of all, y'all, no black don't crack. So, you know what I'm saying?

Let me just drop that out. For real owner like that, man. But, sir, you look good, man. And, you know, what you're doing is how we all need to catch. try to stay in the game and stay healthy. You know, stay around these young dudes, stay around the game. That's what you do, man, just what you're doing. Because it keeps you active.

It gives you a purpose, man. You know, guys like me and you, you know. And that's one of the reason I even start that podcast and called it the White House, you know, because guys that have, I like people to come in and say, hey, we're only like talking to guys that have situations. Come in our situation room, you know. know, and talk and share. And that's what I love about podcasts,

because we get to do the long term, long form. You and I don't work together on TV. You know, they got, there's much time. You know, rap, rap, they're telling you to rap right now. You know, but this way we can talk with people and not just talk to people. And I think that's the greatest form of education. Speaking of you talking about being around the young guys

and influencing young men, And you've been around Miami a lot this season, and it's been, you know, televised. But just talk about that because it just looks like you're having such a positive impact on those young men in that program. And you look so happy and so passionate about the success there ever. Yeah, and Sherman, there is nothing right that last few years that has been brought more joy to me. You know, man, we talk about it. You know, man, I would never be able to do that again, to play again. And I won't ever be able to run a route, score a touchdown.

But that's as close as you could get to be right there. And the great part about it that most people don't know, you know, since we go back every year to legend camps and fantasy camp, a lot of those kids, you've seen those kids when they were six, seven, eighth grade, because we've coached them at Miami. And now they're growing up and going to Miami. And it's just so incredible to be out there, man. I get guys coming up to me saying,

oh, man, I love him. Come out of the tunnel and see you. I get hype. I'm ready. You know, yeah, that means the world to me. It means the world. And people out here, they go crazy. After the game, dude, I do the belt tag thing.

Everybody told him, look at Michael. He's on cocaine right now. He's high. I'm like, stop fucking around. Y'all stop it. You know, listen, listen. That's why. Y'all know cocaine.

Come on. man that they ain't gonna land no five hours that's why they're breaking so much over here in ten minutes and then you gotta go back ten minutes that's why you got that's why you get out of the game right you you chase it something you ain't so so so right

and I understand they're just trying to steal my glory with that story they're trying to steal your shot they're trying to dilute it I ain't trying to hear I'd be out there wild it out I'd be raised up and anyway y'all see my ab Does it look like I have some dudes sitting around doing nothing?

Or you know you ain't got to my abs. You just stop playing around. You see it. This is genetic. You can't make this. You can't do it. You can't do it right here. I ain't going nowhere.

Now, you know we're going to have to talk about Jerry and your cowboys at some point or another because it's been a lot of change over there. And is it a good move or is it a bad move we're going to see? Because there's a lot of draft picks. He found a way to get a lot of draft picks. He found a way to get a lot of draft. draft capital out of those deals. But obviously when the Michael

Parsons trade happened early, I questioned it right off the bat. I'm like, come on now. Not many times you trade all pros for draft picks that could potentially be all pros. And when he made that trade, he got a lot of draft capital. You know, they didn't have to

pay him the $45 million that he was getting from Green Bay. All those things matter. But it just seemed like that domino kind of dropped like a rock in the pond of the Dallas Cowboys and created ripples about how Jerry Jones conducts business and how he has handled some of these contracts. You saw Des Bryant talk about it.

I don't know what they experienced that you might have had when you were doing your deal, but it just seems like this Dallas Cowboys team is further away from the Super Bowl than they were when he was there. Well, listen, I was at dinner with Coach Schenheimer two days ago. And, you know, beautiful wife. beautiful kids, and we all sat over and catch my boy's spot in Dallas. And we talked about a lot of things.

You know, I love the direction that Dallas is headed. I mean, last year what we found out is you got the makings of a great offense. You know, you got some players in the makings of a great offense. You remember that game that they decided to bench C.D. Lamb and George Pipp. for the first series. Everybody was saying, what did they do? What did they do? They were trying to scramble to find out what they did.

I wasn't. You know, I didn't know, but what they did didn't matter to me. All that mattered to me is they did that shit together. Not one of them. As long as they kept both, I said, oh, we're good. That mean, whatever they were doing, they were doing together. This is good. I mean, they boys.

We ain't going to have no gripe, no fright, we ain't going to have no argument. If they act that getting in trouble together, they're going to ball together, you know what I'm saying. That'd be, they're going to ball together, you know. But see, the rest of the world don't see it that way. Oh, what are they doing? Those guys are on focus. Y'all missing the damn point. Right.

They're missing the point, you know what I mean? All I cared about was they were doing it together. That means they're going to ball together. That's true. That receiver room can get weird if you ain't got that kind of brotherhood. Right. If y'all that get in trouble together, you'll look at these. All right, dog, we should have got in trouble.

Let's go Paul out and make the forget this today. And that's what they do together. So I love that relationship, man. When I was with CD and we went to a New York Knicks game, a New York game in New York Knicks, that's what we were talking about. Because it reminds me a lot of me and Alvin. He and George Pickens. And they do different things.

Pickers going up there to get the ball. He's going up to feel like Hart did. But everything 20 and in. Right. Hart can do, but I'm going to take care of basic. Right. I'm going to carve up everything. I'm going to turkey up.

Right. And when y'all start edging on up here, harp going to go by y'all or pickings going to go by y'all. Right. So it works perfectly, man. We just got to be more consistent with that offense. And like you said, with all that capital, build a defense. And Quentin William was the get now.

That's what ain't nobody talking about. What are you talking about it? Dude, pressure. Listen, let me taste it. I'll give it this. First of all, Jerry, was hurt. The relationship that Jerry and Michael had, and I heard Michael

talk about it for the first time yesterday at the Pro Bowl, you know, Jerry was hurt. And I had him on, I had him on the locker room with me on my YouTube channel. And I was talking to him about it. And he said

to me, Michael, why don't you go get Michael and bring him in here? And I should have picked up the hurt on him. Because if he's saying that, I should have took that for real. Right. I believe Michael a loss also. Right. See, the only person I believe wanted that deal was the agent.

Right. Because the agent sent Michael to Dallas, Green Bay and said you got 47-0. You really got 42 over 5, not 47 over 4. That's all that new money that starts this year, next year. All of that, that's agent talk, dog. Right. You still got to play this year. So when you average all that money, it's five years over $42 million.

They had $40 or $41 on the table in Dallas. You got to pay state tax over there and out of that. You see what I'm saying? You're not going to live in Green Bay. they're going to live in Dallas. Why do that? But you know what I mean? And that's what I'm talking about.

But what Dallas slipped on is understanding to tie together. Michael Parsons and Trayvon Diggs. Once you get rid of one of them, if you get rid of Michael Parsons, Trayvon Diggs, you heard them. Right. Because Michael has to be back there right now so Trayvon can jump their first route. If they do got a second and third route, Trayvon could dead. Right.

Because he didn't jump the wrong thing. And that's where he got caught up this year. And I tried to tell Jared, if you're going to get, If you were going to do that with Michael, then maybe you should have held off on doing what you did with Traybond. That's where they went wrong. But I'll say this, because I think Quentininan Williams is one of the best defenders in the National Football League. I think Kenny Clark is underrated. I think they did a great job.

Ooh, you saw them two coming together like I was talking about, like George and CD. Yes, sir. So you saw them, you saw the big more competing to get back to. You think I'm going to beat you back there. Once you get that dog, you got something. If you get them two big dudes in the middle, saying, what? Let's go. Let's go.

We're going to meet you at the quarterback. And they compete. You know, you all hate the Legion of Boom. You start with them big mothers. It does. With Benin and all of them, y'all. Go put that pressure back down. We called them the Big Three.

Hey, the Big Three, without them, we ain't nobody. You go get them boys, man. So, yeah, I like it, too. I love the staff. I like Shottie. My guy, Junior Adams is the receivers coach there. the thing that I I didn't like with what they did

is what they did with Al. Like, you let Al here. Come on, man. Come on, dog. Come on now. Dog, come on, man. What are we doing? Dude, I've been talking about this too. And honestly, and even this right here,

this last cycle, when you're the best at something, you're the best at something. This dude, when it was with Dallas, they best in taking the ball away. In Chicago now, they were the best at taking the ball away. That's his specialty.

and nobody wants to point out and give him the credit for holding on to his specialty. He deserves an opportunity to be a defensive coordinator and get a move up for what he has done. Al Harris, that's the biggest thing to hurt me more than anything. More than anything. And Al Harris deserves to be a D.C. He deserves to, it's not a gimmick. It's not anything tricky. It's easy to see wherever he goes.

They take the football win. And the most important thing, I tell people, defense don't win championship. Turnover defense win championship. Because points you need, and the turnover defense gives you the ball back to get those points. That's the kicker, and he's a master at it. Well, Playmaker, I appreciate you. You're right on, man. I appreciate you bringing up air too, man, because we got to keep talking about that

and bring that to the forefront. Like these coaches get, are their quarterback whispers. This is a takeaway whisper. It's a takeaway whisper. Give him his credit for being the takeaway whisper and give him his opportunity. The cornerback whisper. Right, whatever you want to call it. What you're doing with Hard Rock Bet?

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You know, it's in Florida. Well, I've always did business with them. I've never been able to partnership with them here in this fashion because I've always worked for the NFL. This is the first time I've ever had a chance to partner with a company like this. So I love it, man. There's no better place than Hard Rock. I'm saying Hard Rock Stadium.

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You know. I love it. I love it. I appreciate having you on Playmaker. And I love you, my brother. You know you're my brother. I appreciate it. You know, we work together over at Fox.

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We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We have the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it.

But, you know, tired and sick. and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.

Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headlines.

And we're going straight to the source, the athletes that are. themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlic. On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slicelife Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments said to find Roland Garris.

Gentian win. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. This is an IHeart podcast.

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