The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - NFL Week 8 Reaction: 49ers-Texans, Bears-Ravens, Giants-Eagles, Bills-Panthers | Richard Sherman

Episode Date: October 27, 2025

All lines provided by Hard Rock Bet.  Richard Sherman reacts to Week 8 of the NFL season, starting with Mac Jones, Christian McCaffrey, and the San Francisco 49ers' loss to CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans. How high should the panic meter be for Kyle Shanahan and his team? Next, Richard breaks down Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, and the Philadelphia Eagles' big win over Jaxson Dart's New York Giants, Tyler Huntley leading the Ravens to a victory over Caleb Williams' Chicago Bears without Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen's Buffalo Bills blowing out the Carolina Panthers. The show ends with Richard looking ahead to Monday Night Football between the Washington Commanders and Patrick Mahomes' Kansas City Chiefs, as well as his take on whether Daniel Jones, Jonathan Taylor, and the Indianapolis Colts run the AFC! #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mitchell, week eight was a tough one for the San Francisco 49ers. They went up against a very stout Houston Texans defense and I knew it would be tough. I knew this game would be tough, especially with the injuries on the offensive line, but they played solid, the injuries

everywhere, really. But the thing I couldn't predict was was how the San Francisco 49ers defense would play against the Houston Texans offense. And they just were unable to get off the field this game. It's not like they were playing horrible, but they just kept, you know, they couldn't get a stop on third down. They allowed CJ Stroud to dink and dunk his way, especially in the first

half. I mean, 15 play drive, 16 play drive, very long drive, time-consuming drives in the first half. Before the last drive, the final drive where they got a touchdown after the kick return. San Francisco's offense had, I mean, all of 10 plays, maybe in the game, and it's for a number of reasons. You know, the fault is spread out throughout. Some of it was schematic. I saw plays where they were play action, and the plays have to look legitimate. They're pulling a center around, and that's a play they run. But you end up with Hennessy on Will Anderson, who's one of the best pass first in the National Football League.

And Houston, then later on in the second quarter, you end up with a play where their deep play action and you end up with Juan Jennings blocking DeNeil Hunter at one-on-one, not even just like a chip block or assistant, a one-on-one block. And I mean, you can never expect a receiver to win those matchups. And obviously, that's not the way Cal Shanahan drew it up, but that's the way it ended up. And those are tough plays. That's just two out of the ten. You know, some of those plays were rushes that weren't successful.

Some of them were, you know, in completions where a receiver ran a bad route or Mac Jones scrambled and then Juan Jennings gets a face mask call. It just was a number of things that held to San Francisco 49ers back in this game in the first half, and you cannot do it, a game that you could have easily won, even with all the mistakes, with all the issues that they had going forward. Christian McCaffrey only gets eight carries in his game for 25 yards. There were some moments where it looked like he had some openings, but you just ran out of time.

And they only had the ball. San Francisco's offense only had the ball for 18 minutes and 38 seconds of this game. That is ridiculous. That is at one point, the time of possession differential was 30 minutes for Houston and six minutes, 57 seconds or so for San Francisco. That can't happen in a game. I mean, regardless of the team. And Houston's offense has struggled throughout the season.

And they were without Nico Collins. And I understand San Francisco is without two of the best players in the National Football League and Nicholas, John Bosa, and Fred Warner. But you cannot have it. You've got to either be able to play man or zone. And they could not in this game. They couldn't man them without getting beat. They couldn't play zone.

You won man. And Baton comes up and hug rushes and a running back slips out for 50-yard. game. Game. That is an unacceptable play. That's an unacceptable mistake in a game like this. And that was one of the biggest plays of the game that you can't have. That's not, hey, they scheme something open or they made a great play or they drew something

up or he broke a tackle. That's just, hey, I just got, you know, aggressive and I made a mistake. And I thought I had something and you didn't. Like you never, as the outside rush or when it's three on two, because usually, is three on two or two on one with the back with between the linebackers they're splitting them. If he goes one way, one backer is responsible for him. If he goes the other way, the other backer, if the tight end in the back stay in, three on two. The backers and maybe a safety sometimes are responsible for him.

So when when this happens and he goes one way and that's Bethune's coverage, you have to stay with them. Sometimes you can hug rush if he picks up on the interior and you could hug rush to your coverage. You never a hug rush when your coverage is drifting. You don't get the hug rushed in because your coverage is drifting. So you have to watch them. But if you drift with them and you say, hey, I'm going to go through the running back to the quarterback, nobody has a problem with it because that's your coverage. And he has to protect.

But that was one of the many mistakes on the defense today. And you cannot have them, especially when you're underman and the way they were. They finally broke their streak of their lack of interceptions. in the game when Diomador Lenore got one right before the half and even that play, even that play, that was right after San Francisco got seven points. If Diomador somehow, you know, not that this was expected, somehow has the wherewithal. He was right there on the sideline to just get a couple and then step out. That might be another three where you look up and Eddie Panero has a chance to get a field

going. You get 10 points and under a minute to go into the half. I mean, this may be a different ball game down the stretch. And so those were some of the things that I saw in this game that were issues. The offensive line continues to be an issue. There were plays where Colton McKivitz was obviously overwhelmed by Will Anderson. But sometimes it was just, Will Anderson is a great pass. And you've got to give him.

Sometimes great players will be great. And sometimes it was like Colton McEvitt's footwork was off. And he's standing square where it looks like it's an obvious pass. passing down, the quarterback's in the gun, and your feet are square, and I'm not an offensive line expert, but there's no way I'm sitting there feet square with Will Anderson standing in front of me, Mitchell. I'm not. I'm not. Even if I have a chip, even if I have a double chip.

I'm prepared to set. And it just was a hard game to watch from the offensive perspective or the defensive perspective. You give kudos to the special teams because, you know, a lot of times there's issues on special teams, but they did their jobs today. Brian Robinson had a huge return along with the 15-yard penalty to get them in scoring range to get the touchdown before the half, which was the only reason they had a chance in this game. But there were just too many issues, too many drops, too many mistakes,

and you can't have that, especially when you already have so many things going against you, against a great defense. They only allow 15 points in 223 yards in this game. The defense gave up 475 yards to a Houston. offense that's been abysmal all season. Again, there's not much you can say about that other than you can't have it. You've got to play better than this. Well, Richard, I hope I didn't jinx it. We were together

this week, and I told you, I said, I think the Niners got a relatively easy one on the road against Houston, and you told me to be patient because this Houston's defense is a lot better than people realize. Houston got embarrassed on national television Monday night football last week in Seattle. I mean, they looked horrendous on offense, you know, but for Derek Stingley and that defense really keeping them in the game and making it more competitive than it probably looked.

The Texans would have got run off the map. But, you know, like you said, this team offensively hasn't done anything all year. You know, how much, I guess, how much pressure was on them from their coaching staff being two and four entering this game in really a much-switch situation? You see the Colts doing what they're doing in the division. It looks like they're going to walk away with this thing. And now they come away with a huge win. but as you already stressed on, I mean, the fact that they possessed the ball for almost 25 minutes,

the Houston Texans did in that first half, it was the most time of possession since 2009. I mean, Richard, have you ever been a part of a dominant performance like that, whether it's your offense, you know, toting the load, or you on the other side defensively being on the field for that long? What does it do to you and your mentality as a corner, as a defensive end, as defensive tackle, as a linebacker? when you're on the field for that long. Yeah, it's tough. But you also get a rhythm. I don't think we've ever been, I'm sure,

I can't say we've never been on the field that long because I'm sure we've had a game or two. We've been on the field that long. But we've probably made a play or two. You know, there's going to be a turn of. We're going to take the ball away. You give me that many chances. You give the great defenders we had on our defense,

that many chances at the ball. It's a lot of plays. We're going to make a play. We had 108 play, a game where I played 108 snaps, Mitchell, and we tied the game six to six. So it's not a lot of long games that we're just giving up a ton of points, but we've given up points at times in games, no question about it. But we've also made some plays in those games, but it wears you down.

And especially with a young defense, you've got a young defensive line. You got young linebackers in the game, young secondary. Mistakes are bound to happen. And when you have a veteran group, you know that guys are calm and communicating. It's not always perfect. perfect. It's not like, hey, things are going to just be great because you have vets back there, but you know that guys are processing. Guys are seeing the same looks. These receivers aren't world beaters. Braxton Barrios, I think, was the only receiver, if I'm not mistaken,

that had over 100 catches in his career in this game. And you had, you had Higgins, you had Hutchinson, you had a couple guys, inexperienced guys. We're pressing them up. We're making you beat us with them. If we're going to blitz, we're going to press them, and you're going to have to make real tight window throws. You're going to have to push the ball down the field, and we're likely going to take the ball from you. We can, predictable situations, a veteran group is going to talk it through, and we're going to get off the field,

and that's what was the tough part to watch is you knew they didn't have any veterans. You knew that it was going to be difficult. A defense that hadn't had an interception in a very long time was going to have a hard time getting an interception in this game, and C.J. Stroud took advantage of that fact, and he attacked everybody. He attacked all over the, field, whether it was the linebackers, we saw checkdowns and swing routes go for long games.

We saw whenever they needed a third down, they had it and mistackle, whether it's double slant. Early on in the game, there was double slant that went for first down on third and eight. It's like, you cannot have that. And they'll learn from this. They have to learn from this. But these are things that are easily correctable. This wasn't a talent issue.

This wasn't a schematic issue. This was a lack of execution. and guys not really being prepared for the moment, I think. And so you've got to give Houston a lot of credit because, like you said, their defense, they had four turnovers last week against the Seattle Seahawks and that touchdown. So you talked about that defense against the Seattle Seahawks.

Seattle Seahawks were able to withstand, and that's a testament to their execution and their offense and Sam Darnold and what he's able to do. But even on the touchdown, they had to JSCN on the double post, Sam Derno had a man in his face, and JSCN had dead. Eric Stingley on his back. Still touchdown, but tight windows.

And usually when you get four turnovers in the game as a defense, you expect to win that game. Now, I've been part of games where we've had five turnovers and not won the game. But you expect a majority of the time you win those games. And so I know C.J. Stroud and those guys probably took pride and saying, hey, we can't let our defense down like that again. He threw for 318 yards, two touchdowns. and the one interception that we talked about,

but he was really efficient. He looked like the guy that he's been the last couple years, in total command, poised in the pocket. He used his legs when he needed to. He used his arms when he needed to, and they came out with a big win. 49ers got an opportunity next week

against another very strong pass rush in New York Giants. They go to New York to MetLife to play that team. They got banged up this week. They're going to have to make a move for a pass rush. They're going to have to make some. moves on defense. You got to go

next week with that same pass for us. I think the quarterback only got hit once in this game, and that was 28 minutes into the game, I think, before he got hit by anybody. And you can't have that. They were blitzing. They were, it didn't seem like

there was any answers. Obviously, there were times that guys came free. Upton Stout came free on a blitz, but even then, C.J. Shrod was able to avoid him, get the ball out. It was still a loss, but you can't blitz like that all the time because it makes your defense unsound. There ends up being holes, and it ends up being bigger issues than the back end. So you've got to find a way to get there before, and somebody has to win.

And you're hoping that one of these young guys steps it up and gets there, but clearly they need one more piece. They need somebody else to help get them home, or it's going to be rough. because Jackson Dart and the New York Giants, they had a rough game against Philadelphia Eagles this week, but they've shown flashes. They've shown that, hey, if he has time, he can do it with his legs. The 49ers have always had issues with mobile quarterbacks.

So you're hoping they get that solved, and they can get some pressure on this young quarterback, and they can come out of New York with a win, and that be huge. But it's up in the air right now because that pass rush can change everything. No question about that, Richard. this Houston Texan team just outright looked like the more desperate team to me this day.

But for the faithful, like you said, I think a trade can help save this season. There's no question about it. There's talent everywhere on this roster. Got to get CMC going. Obviously, the play calling was not in his direction when you're down so much. But this team, get them back at home,

get them on the right side of the football. Obviously, they're going to have to go on the road against Jackson Dart. We'll see what happens there. But while we're talking about the Giants, Why don't we keep talking about the Giants? Because they went on the road today and played Philly. And they got beat up pretty good, 38 to 20.

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it. And we saw a play when the game was 7 to 7 early on. Jalen Hertz, you know, standard fourth and one from about the 12-yard line. It comes up, pushes forward, extending forward, still moving forward, extends a ball forward and Brian Burns knocks it out. Clear fumble, at least in my eyes, clear fumble, I'm assuming in your eyes. Clear fumble, I would assume in everyone's eyes except for the Philadelphia Eagle spam base. Richard, how ridiculous is this officiating becoming in officiating the tush push? I feel like they're getting way too much leniency. This was not at the goal line. This was at about the 10 or 12 yard line.

And they called forward progress stopped when it was clear the ball was dislodged. What are your thoughts on what's going on with this tush push? Because to me, it's just getting absolutely ridiculous. I mean, it's been a tough play to officiate, you know, just with the way the offensive lines moving and all that and pushing. And it's hard to see where the ball is at the time. But you can't give them this play. This play is one of the worst of all of it. You know, you can argue both sides for the false starts and stuff like that.

It's a bang, bang, it's happening fast. It's hard for the officials to see it. Eagles are really good at it. You give them all the credit in the world that, hey, that's just going to be tough. That's part of the game. That's part of the pushing pool of the NFL. Good luck officiating that. But this play, you can't have it both ways.

You can't say, hey, we're going to allow them to push the runner. forward and let them go as far as they can and go and go and go until we feel like it's been stopped and then say, hey, but if he turns the ball over, we're going to stop the play. If he turns the ball over and then his progress was stopped because his progress wasn't stopped. He was still being pushed. And so it can't work both ways. If he's still being pushed and you're saying, hey, there have been times that Jalen Hertz has been stopped on that play and then got an extra push.

and got the first down. There's plays, it's been stagnant. It's been stale-made it. And they didn't blow it dead and say progress has been stopped because they knew that, hey, if they keep pushing him, you give it an extra tick, you give it an extra second or so. Eventually, the Philadelphia Eagles will, offensive line or Goddard or whoever's pushing is going to push him across the line.

And this time, as they're pushing him, he tries to stretch the ball out because clearly he didn't feel like he had it with, just the initial push. So he was going to put the ball out. You never put the ball in arm's way because it's not the end zone. Coaches for many years have emphasized that you cannot, unless it's fourth down for the game, you don't put the ball over the goal line.

You don't. That's just what they say. And that's like one of the cardinal sins of football. Obviously, Hertz felt like he had to do it. He put it out there. Kavon Tibado was the guy who rips it away immediately. It wasn't like, hey, they wrestled it, wrestle with it for a second.

He immediately rips it away, balls out, recovers the ball. That was, it didn't even seem like a controversial call to me. In real time, if you're just watching it as a casual observer, observer,

you see that happen and you're saying, okay, that's a turnover on downs. Like, Giants ball. Great football play. Great football play by Tibado. And a learning moment for Jamie Hertz. You can't put the ball out unless you, unless it's the,

goal, you know, the easy lesson, and it gives the commentators a easy thing to talk about, like, hey, if you're jailing hurt, you can't make that play. You can't put the ball in harm's way on a play like this. You just got to keep it tucked and keep pushing and trust your team's going to get you the first down. But to give them the ball back on that play was, that's going to, that's going to ruffle some feathers about this play. And it's less about the push, honestly, than it is about just the officiates. the piss poor officiating on that play. And the Eagles fans were up in arms about a play on, I think, scataboo's touchdowns,

where they felt like it was a holding call that went on called. That happens almost every play in the National Football League. Are you guys justified? Probably more than likely. There was probably a holding call. But if you look on just about every play, offensive play in National Football League, he is a defender. I'll tell you,

there's plenty of things we wish we're called on the offense and they aren't called. And there's plenty of things that probably could be called on the Giants offense, whether it's hands to the face.

There's probably plays that they miss throughout the game. What rarely happens is that they miss on a change of possession turnover. Refs rarely miss on a change of possession turnover, especially when on a play like that

where forward progress is so murky. Like, it's so ambiguous. Like, if they can't stop forward progress on a lot of these pushes, they wouldn't, the Eagles wouldn't get a lot of them. Because there are times that defense stagnates them. There's push from the D-line that initially stagnates them, and then the Eagles push over and they get the first down. So if you went by the layer of the law every single time,

then they'd be blowing a whistle a lot earlier, and Eagles fans would be very frustrated. So with the rest of the league, because that's not fair. not football. You let him fight for the yardage, which they were doing. That's what Jalen Hertz was doing. He was fighting for yards, and they took the ball from it. So the same thing that benefits them kind of bid them this time, so you just have to let it happen. You know, you can't just say, hey, this time it was the forward progress to stop. We just didn't blow the whistle. You didn't blow the whistle because forward progress wasn't stopped. He was still pushing

and fighting for yards, and they were still pushing him. And there was a chance he was going to get more yard. So it's going to be a tough one to defend. No question about it for the National Football League. And I'm pretty sure the league is going to come back and say the rest got that one wrong. I would assume as much because everyone I talked to when that play happened said, what is going on here? At some point, this has to be corrected because, like I said, it is getting absurd.

On the other side, away from this play, the Eagles look darn good offensively. Saquan Barkley got it going. a big touchdown run, 65-yard, a rush for 150 yards. You obviously left the game a little bit early as a precautionary measure with a groin injury. But is it safe to say this Eagle teams is back and humming offensively? They've had a couple good games in a row. Have you liked what you've seen from them offensively? No question about it.

No question about it, especially Jalen Hertz. He didn't have the big yardish game that he did the week before, but he had four touchdowns in the game, four passing touchdowns. He was efficient with the football. and throw a ton. He didn't put it in harm's way outside of the fumble, non-fumble on that play that they end up getting back. But I think they're playing better. I think they're playing confident, especially in a tough division game against a team who showed

they could get a win against you. He was able to do his thing and to be aggressive. Devante Smith continues his stellar season, six catches for 84 yards. They were able to execute this way and Jalen Hertz was able to spread the ball around in this game. Dallas got her got two touchdowns. Johan Dotson got a touchdown and Seekwant Barkley was able to get one through the air. So he was able to spread it out when they're when they have a game where they're missing AJ Brown they have to depend on others. They were still able to win double-jid win against the division opponent, a team who's playing with some desperation, some inspiration,

a new young quarterback giving them a little juice. Obviously, they were a little deflated with the Cam Scadaboo injury, but yes, both sides of the football are playing better for the Philadelphia Eagles. And having Jalen Hertz and Jalen Carter back in the fold and playing well, obviously helps. And before we leave this game, we hate to see Camp Scadaboo out. Prayers up to him, brutal injury. I'm assuming he's going to be out for the long haul. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet.

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Derek Henry got back to his scoring ways with two touchdowns. What do you make of this Baltimore Ravens team? Two and five. You know, they have to have their eyes on the Pittsburgh Steelers. This division is still up for grabs. Are we counting the Baltimore Ravens out at two and five, or do you think they still have a lot of life? You just never know.

They've taken it out of the, it's not in their control anymore. All they can do is fight and keep grinding and hope for some help because they let themselves get pretty far behind the eight ball. They're two and five now with that win. Getting Lamar Jackson back will help the Cincinnati Bengals losing a day against a giant,

I mean a Jets team that hasn't won a game all season. It helps them. If Cincinnati would have won the day, I think it makes it even more difficult for the Baltimore Ravens to come back and try to mount a comeback because all the other teams are getting full of them at this point. Congratulations to Derek Henry. He passed Walter Payton for fifth all time on the touchdowns list. He had two today. That's a huge accomplishment for the Future Hall of Fame running back.

Tyler Huntley, like you said, did a solid job of his best Lamar Jackson and press impersonation. He ran the ball when he needed to, 17. of 22 through the air at 186 in the interception. But it was Caleb Williams interception today that really, really define this game because it looked like, hey, even with Baltimore playing the way they were, with Kyle Hamilton back in the fold, with Roquan back, they were still going to have a difficult time winning this game. Caleb Williams throws a fourth quarter interception down 16, 13,

on their own four-yard line. that that was it. That was it. That was the game right there. If they would have found a way to drive the ball down the field, at least tie it, but you turn the ball over right there. It made it really difficult.

It made it really difficult to win that game. And that's a tough mistake for a team that's a young quarterback who's still getting better, who's still learning. That's a backbreaking mistake for a team, like you said, that's been red hot and won four of the last five and could have had every opportunity. to win this game. But give Baltimore a lot of credit. They fought hard on defense. They executed good enough on offense to win this game. They're getting Lamar Jackson back after a lot

of controversy. Still, still yet to see how the league is going to respond to the late Lamar Jackson scratch in this game. But clearly the Baltimore Ravens covered either way. So, so thank goodness for that, I guess, for Vegas. But yeah, they got a short week. We'll see them in Miami this week, Thursday night football. We'll be on 7 p.m. Eastern, and we'll see how they respond to a Miami Dolphins team that also got a big win and Tuatunga Vailoa threw for four touchdowns in that game and had some flashes of the old tour, the tour that got paid $53 million. He made some really tight window throws, looked confident, and overall, the dolphins looked like

a different team. So I'm looking forward to seeing how that game comes out. It's going to be a tough game to call with Lamar Jackson back and Baltimore Ravens' defense playing the way they are. I would assume they'll be favored in that game. But the Bears go to the Cincinnati Bengals coming off a tough game against the Jets where the Jets' offense found some life, scored 39 points.

And the bangle scored 38. So clearly, they're not playing no defense. So if there's any medicine in the future, for the Chicago Bears. It's right there in Cincinnati, and we'll see how that game turns out. Let's talk about a team that's very, very much so red hot, these New England Patriots.

We've tried it about them for the last three weeks. We said this schedule sets up beautifully, and now it looks like it sets up even better. Atlanta got waxed today by Miami. Everyone thought they were going to take care of business. The Patriots play Atlanta next week, but they welcomed Cleveland into town today, and they took care of business despite giving up five,

sacks to Miles Garrett, who did everything and his power to try to make this game competitive. Richard Drake May continues. His unbelievable start to his second season, 18 to 24, 282, three touchdowns, one interception. He got it done on the ground as well, making huge plays with his legs in very important situations of this game when it was close. This Patriots team is starting to, I think, play with a lot of different energy. They look like they're having a lot of fun out there. Stefan Diggs is having a reclamation year after his injury last year, and he's certainly given this wide receiving core a new element, a new weapon. Richard, how dangerous are the New England Patriots? Because they haven't been playing the

best competition, but when they win by 19 points today, they look dominant in their performance. How, I guess, how scary is this New England Patriots team to the division and the rest of the AFC. Well, it's scary for the division because at the top of this division right now is the Buffalo Bills. Well, actually, it may be the New England Patriots, depending on how the timebreakers, but the New England Patriots beat the Buffalo Bills in their one meeting this season in Buffalo. So it's definitely alarming for the Buffalo Bills and their fans because Buffalo has run off with this division for the last couple years. They've been dominant. They have not had to worry about the New England Patriots for some time. I mean, probably since Tom Brady left.

And so to see them playing well, to see Drake May playing well, efficient, effective, throwing great deep balls. The receivers are starting to get off. Booty's starting to really show his shine and show why the Patriots have been so high on him. Stefan Diggs, again, starting to show some real chemistry with Drake May. It's all starting to come together for him. And defensively, they're continuing to strive to make strides and thrive. Dylan Gabriel had a tough game, and it's crazy because you heard so much this

offseason about Shador Sanders, and should he be playing, should he be QB2, behind Joe Flacco, should he be the starter? And the game that I would assume he would have got some play as QB2 in this game, he suffers an injury in practice and isn't able to be the quarterback number two. You just talk about just bad luck happening for a guy. You hope he gets healthy soon because Browns fans were really. excited. America was really excited to potentially see him

play. And I think, you know, as this game got out of hand, you might have seen him get a couple reps, especially after the two interceptions for Dylan Gabriel. Just kind of a knee-make offense, 21 or 35, 156. He did have the two touchdown passes, but it, you know,

you could see the frustration for this defense. Miles Garrett breaks the franchise record for sacks in the game with five. And they lose by 19. So, so you're, again, we, we talked about this earlier in the season. You're, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you're, you, you, just imagine any of the contenders, any contenders, any contender, or any fringe contender

with Miles Garrett in the fault. Like, do, what the San Francisco 49ers give everything they can for Miles Garrett? Probably, they should. With that, would that, would that save their season? I, I, I, I, I, I, maybe. Definitely a maybe. He's that kind of player and he's that kind of game record. But I think he has to be open to the possibility of leaving Cleveland. If he ever wants that opportunity, I don't see a world where they're going to be competitive contenders in his career, in his prime especially. And so I can understand the frustration for him.

But if I'm Miles Garrett, I'm having a conversation with my agent. I'm having a conversation with the front office. And I'm looking for an opportunity to win, to play meaningful games, the same. with Max Crosby. These guys are incredible talents, and they're just being wasted in the places they're at, and it's no fault of their own. Nobody can ever

say Miles Garrett has given up, or he's not playing with ferocious tenacity, each and every play, each and every week. This man is giving it is all, and he deserves to play competitive football. He deserves to be in January with the potential to play for it, for the trophy. And instead,

he's playing for potential defensive player at a year every year on a team that hopefully wins four or five games. And they're picking early in the draft. So that's the unfortunate part. But again, this is about the Patriots and their defense and their offense. They're playing good football. Like you said, they have the Falcons coming into town.

We'll see if they get their starting quarterback back this week. It doesn't appear likely they will. So they'll likely face cousins who didn't necessarily struggle, but just played way too conservative in this game. And you could tell he just doesn't want to turn the ball over. he's playing risk-averse football and it's tough to win playing that way. So everybody's stacking a box against Bajon Robinson and they're going to make you beat them with the past. So unless Pinnock's comes back, I think there's very little chance that the Falcons going to New England and win that game.

And New England being seven and two at that point is a great season. And you've got to give Braves a lot of credit coming in there with a team that isn't high on talent. making a number of moves and finding a way to win week in and week out. I mean, a team like to Tennessee Titan sure would be, sure could use a coach like that. You know, just a hard-nosed coach, just a guy who just gets it done regardless of talent. But unfortunately, they just fly at their coach after less than two years following Brable's departure.

Yeah, you know, you wonder how bad teams stay bad. That's how. That's how. No question. Yeah, I mean, back to the Miles Garrett conversation. He was the talk of the off season when he did request the trade and ultimately he got the big payday and chose to stay in town. Richard, we've talked about it a number of times. But there is got to come a time where you have, he's in the prime of his career. He's about to be 30 years old. At some point, he's got to put his foot down and say, hey, I want to go play for a competitor. We saw the Dallas Cowboys do it with Michael Parsons. We see what kind of return. You know, the Cleveland Browns could get for them. Quite frankly, they're not winning with them. You might as well go out and get two first, three first round picks and a good player with him to try to help, you know, offset some of the bad moves this franchise has made in the last couple of years, namely to Sean Watson and help free up some cap space a little

bit. If I'm Brown's ownership, I'm strongly considering trading Miles Garrett for one to give this guy one of the most, that dominant, if not the most dominant defender in this sport, an opportunity to go win, but I'm also doing it for the team and saying, hey, we need a factory reset right here. We need to stockpile as many assets as humanly possible. Obviously, we're on track for another losing season. That's what I would do.

The Patriots, Richard, I'm going to stand with them here and say they deserve to be in your top five of your power ranks because the way they've been playing football, the way Drake made is playing in his second year, this team looks like a true, a true team to be scared of in the AFC. I'm not going to call them a Super Bowl contender because I don't think they're that yet. But they're a team I would definitely have my eyes on because I think they've already shown it. They can go to Buffalo and get a win. Who knows what could happen come two months from now when we're talking playoff time.

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They go on the road in CINCY, right, against Joe Flacko and the Bengals, who had ultimate control of this game, up two scores throughout the vast majority of this game, and then Brees Hall got going, both on the ground and through the air. He threw the game-winning touchdown to Mason Taylor, and as much negativity was spoken on Justin Fields,

especially by ownership, right, about him not completing passes and really not giving this offense a true opportunity. He goes out there and guns for 244, four yards in a touchdown. It looks like a totally different quarterback, especially in that second half. The Jets, kudos to them, 39 to 38. I know it's really meaningless in the grand scheme of things, but when you're an 0-1-7 team,

how important is it to get a win in the win column? It's huge. It's huge. It's huge for morale in the building. And what you could really see in that game is that the team didn't give up on him. They didn't give up on his coach, on their coach, and Aaron Kluen, and they didn't give up on their quarterback. They kept believing, and Justin Fields rewarded them with his best game, not his best game of the season,

because he played good early. You know, he's had streaky games where he could get hot and be efficient and be effective. And he definitely was when the New York Jets needed it in this game, especially down the stretch. Breece Hall was the real MVP of this game. His D.D. throw to Mason Taylor to win the game. He double clutched it a few times and was almost falling out of bounds where it looked like he was like, well, why not? Give them a chance. And he put it up and and Mason Taylor made an incredible catch to give them the win.

But this game is more of a shot at the Cincinnati Bengals and they're collapsed late in this game. Joe Flacco, I thought, played good enough to win this game, two touchdowns. They score 38 points in the game. But the Achilles heel of the Cincinnati Bengals, and it's always been. And I'm sure Lou and Arumo is so excited to be out of there because that he has the Indianapolis coach defense as a top five unit in the National Football League, and he's no longer taken to blame for a team that just will not invest in their defense. If you look at the way their cap hits are dispersed, the amount of money they're paying to T. Higgins,

to Jemar Chase, and to Joe Burrow is around $92 million, plus or minus, depending on the year. Their entire hit for their defense, if I'm not mistaken, is 82 million. So you talk about not investing in a defense. This is the result you're going to get. And that's not including the offensive line, the skilled players, except the other guys that they got to pay on offense. That's just those three.

And so you have to, and then you look at Trey Hendrickson is getting, what, 25 or 30 of that? And so you look at that. And obviously, pay isn't everything. And these are still NFL players. And DJ Turner's playing great football. though he was playing the touchdown, the game went in touchdown at the end of the game.

But you've got to invest in your defense. Eventually, you've got to give him some talent. You got Shamar Stewart this year. And even that was pulling teeth to get him in the training camp and they get him in because you didn't want to bend on the language. And so you've got to do something else in Cincinnati. Obviously, you've got tremendous talent on all. offense, you can score. It's always been the case, but you can't stop anybody. And without that,

no matter if Joe Burrell comes back or who the quarterback is, you won't be able to win. But again, shout out to Aaron Glenn and everything they were able to do today, a big, big scoring output for the Jets and a huge win. It seems like everything Woody Johnson says, the opposite is true. All you need is Woody Johnson start rooting against your Jets and start saying you bad for you to win. It just, you know, he seems like he's doing, I can go on for a long time about Woody Johnson, but good for the Jets and good for Aaron Glenn. I'm happy they got that win. The Buffalo Bills took on the Carolina Panthers, and the Panthers were four and three coming into this game.

It thought it was, hey, maybe an opportunity for them to show they can compete with the big boys and take down the Buffalo Bills, but not, not today. James Cook got going over 150 yards rushing in the first half. he achieves a career high 216 rushing yards, two touchdowns. You know, obviously they didn't need much else other than that. Once you get the running game established like that, Josh Allen can put up them easily 163 yards and one touchdown,

and this team can coast to a win. Demoralizing defeat for the Carolina Panthers who were relying on Andy Dalton, who was just getting crushed back there, only through for 175 yards and a touchdown. The Buffalo Bills are now five and two. They look like they're back to their old themselves. is this the best team in the F.C? I don't know. I don't know. They're up there. You know, there's a conversation. Are the Kansas City Chiefs back?

I mean, they want to throw their hat in the ring. Obviously, they got three losses. So we're not going to put them up above the two lost Buffalo Bills. But we know the trauma that the since, I mean, the Kansas City Chiefs have given the Buffalo bills in the postseason. So that's something to keep an eye on. And again, we talked about the Buffalo Bills. lost back-to-back games. They lost the Atlanta Falcons in a game.

Nobody expected. They lost to the New England Patriots at home. So a 40 to 9 loss, I mean, win against the Carolina Panthers who have been rolling, who have been playing better, looks good. It looks good. We'll give them credit. We're not going to take that away from them.

But we have to keep an eye on the big picture and really keep a full scope of what's been happening for the Buffalo bills. Clearly they looked incredible in this game. When James Cook's able to run the ball 19 times, for 216 yards and two touchdowns, it's going to be a great day for you. And they score 40 points and a huge win.

They're five and two. But the six and two New England Patriots have a case. The Kansas City Chiefs, now that they're becoming more whole, getting Rishi Rice back, their defense playing better. All the pieces starting to come back together for them. Have a case.

The Indianapolis Colts in Indiana Jones and Jonathan Taylor, two MVP candidates, And the top five defense definitely have a case. So I'm not going to just put the Buffalo Bills. Hey, they beat the Carolina Panthers by 31 points. They're the best team in the AFC. Not so fast, my friend.

Well, we'll see who truly is. I mean, next week we got a huge game. Sunday have football. The bills are hosting the Kansas City Chiefs. That might be the game of the year. That certainly must see TV. But the bills back to their winning ways. Richard, we talked about it last.

week. This Miami Dolphins team looked they were like they were left for dead. Tua, as you said, did not handle himself the best in his post game remarks about teammates not showing up for meetings. You thought that that was not the right time to do it. Certainly, you know, questioning his leadership. How do you look at him now? They go on the road and they dominate. They were up 31 points at one points against his Falcons team that desperately needed a win as well to stay competitive in their division. Kurt Cousins comes back and it looks like the reason that Kirk Cousins hasn't been playing in a while. 21 and 31 for 173 really didn't do much with this offense. But Tua Tua Tua, there's four touchdowns over 200 passing yards. How big of a statement

game was this for Tua? It was a big time statement game. They had to have a game like this. And it was great for Tua's confidence. He looked good. It's great for the Miami Dolphins confidence going into a short week against another team that's struggling in the Baltimore Havens. He made some passes this game that reminded people, including myself, of how great he can be when he has time and he trust his eyes and he puts his arm into it, made some tight window throws for touchdowns that you love to see. But can he sustain it? Can he sustain it? He had four touchdowns in this game. He was 20 of 26 for 20-5 yards. Fantastic game. No interceptions. I think he had one that kind of got tipped up. It looked like it was. going to be intercepted, but it wasn't. And against an Atlanta falcon team, like we just talked about, the beat the Buffalo Bills coming off a tough loss to the San Francisco 49ers.

But they've been battling. Obviously, they're without Michael Pennix. They're starting a quarterback, but again, he doesn't play defense. And Miami Dolphins scored 34 points. They looked good, and we'll see if they can keep this going. We'll see if this can catapult them back into feeling better. and maybe to a few wins in a row, but the Baltimore Ravens are getting healthier,

got some of their superstars back, and they're going to make it tough. All odds and lines come from our partners at Hard Rock Bet. We've got commanders versus chiefs tomorrow on Monday night football. What are the lines looking like for this one, Mitch? Well, Richard, the chiefs are favored by a lot. How about 11.5 point favorites against the Washington commanders? And one might think, hey, how the heck did they get to 11.5 points?

but one might forget that Jane Daniels is not playing this game. So the chiefs are going to be taking on the commanders led by Marcus Marietta. Richard, do you think the chiefs cover the 11.5 point spread? 11 and a half in the National Football League is tough. That's enormous. That's a huge gap. But if the commanders are without all their starters again, and I haven't heard a lot about, you know,

what the status for Debo Samuels and Scary Terry and all those guys is, But if they're without those guys, then the chief might have a chance to pull that off. But if Debo Samuel's playing, Scary Terry's playing, 11 and a half slow. Hey, it's looking like the Colts or the class of the AFC. Their biggest issue going forward, I mean, it's going to be who's going to be the MVP candidate? Is it going to be Indiana Jones or is it going to be Jonathan Taylor? Both of them had terrific games today, and they dismantled the Tennessee Titans expected. What wasn't expected was the Indianapolis coach to be 7 and 1.

Shane Steichen is the runaway favorite for coach of the year. I know, you know, we want Kyle Shanahan to be in it. You know, there's other coaches that could have a case, but nobody's case is better than Shane Steikins. And what he's done with not only Indiana Jones, but then Luana Rumo hiring him away from the Cincinnati Bengals after they let him go. And what he's done with his defense,

their top five unit in the National Football League, and it looks like they have no plans on stopping. They have some tough games later on this season. You know, you can see on the schedule, they're going to have to deal with the Seattle Seahawks and the San Francisco 49ers. Those will be games that will be a litmus test, especially late in the season.

But right now, I don't see anything stopping them. I mean, they have a sustainable way of winning. They run the ball really well. Jonathan Saylor had an 80-yard run today. And then it just seems like they're keeping everything right within Indiana Jones's wheelhouse. And I just won't call him anything other than Indiana Jones because it's a different guy than he's been in the past.

This guy is changing his entire reputation, his image and the way the league should see him. And a lot of it has to do with Shane Steichen and their belief in him. And obviously he gives some credit to Kevin O'Connell and what he was able to do in Minnesota in his short stint there. But this team is for real. And Mitchell, I know he said earlier, hey, you know, are Buffalo the class of the AFC No, no. It's the Indianapolis Colts and it's far and away. And they've done nothing but reinforced that belief this week.

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