The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - REACTION to Shedeur Sanders’ NFL Debut, Browns Drama, 49ers Camp & Seahawks Preseason

Episode Date: August 13, 2025

Richard Sherman breaks down Shedeur Sanders’ impressive NFL preseason debut and why the hate doesn’t make sense. From the Browns’ QB dilemma to potential trade destinations, Sherman keeps it real. Plus — Seahawks preseason takeaways, Pete Carroll’s emotional return, 49ers joint practices with the Broncos, and why Davante Adams is still a nightmare for defenses. 00:00 – Introduction 03:37 – QB-needy teams who passed on Shedeur 07:38 – Browns’ looming cut day decision 13:00 – Geno Smith’s fan interaction 14:39 – Rookie RB Ashton Jeanty struggles 19:17 – Upton Stout’s Ronde Barber comparison 20:51 – Davante Adams dominates Cowboys practice 22:39 – NFL smelling salts “ban” talk #volumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And what a day for Shador Sanders. Now, everybody knew what he did at Colorado. He came in at 8th in the Heisman voting. But for his first NFL preseason debut, with all the noise, all the fanfare, all the media speculation, he just goes out there and plays an excellent game, has a touchdown pass early in that game, threaded the needle, layered football in the end zone, throw some other accurate passes on a dig, a go route, you know, ends up 14 for 23, 438 yards, another touchdown. touchdown on a post route where he showed incredible pocket presence. He just seems to be the guy, a lot of people, including Mel Kiper, who was standing on the table for him, slapping the table, saying, I don't understand how this guy's a fifth round pick.

And he had him as the best quarterback in his draft. And he looked like that. And I know people are going out there saying, it's just a preseason game. It's just a preseason game. We've watched a lot of quarterbacks over the years play preseason games, regular season games and struggle mightily. And we all say, hey, you got to give them time. Adjust to a rookie, adjust to the speed of the game, adjust to this.

Like, you give them grace. Even if they're the number one picking a draft, you say, hey, there's an adjustment period. You got to figure things out. Sure, understood. They say he's going against the twos. He's going against lesser competition. Well, he also is running with his tools and running with guys that aren't going to be the starters in the national football.

the guys he wouldn't be necessarily be playing with if everything, if it was day one and they were starting to season. But I thought it was really impressive, the amount of poise that he showed, the command of that offense, the pocket presence. When they were backed up, you didn't see any panic. You didn't see him rushing to get rid of the ball. And a lot of his critics are saying he's holding the ball too long. he's holding the ball moving in the pocket.

These are live reps. So this isn't seven on seven where you can say, oh, man, he's holding the ball too long, and that would have been a sack. He's in a live game. So if he's not getting sacked on the plate and he's completing passes, and he's not holding the ball too long.

Some plays are longer developing. Some plays aren't. But I thought he did a really incredible job. I'm looking forward to the next game. Kevin Stefansky says he's going to get a lot of reps. versus the Philadelphia Eagles. That's a really talented team coming off a Super Bowl win. So that'll be another litmus test for him.

But I'm excited. I'm excited. I know, you know, Prime is excited. And Shador was very humble after the game saying the things that he could do better. And he felt like he let his dad down. But I know if I'm Prime and I'm sitting back watching my son, who has been talked about day in and day out, from sunup to sundown

and people saying what he is or what he isn't and what he's set up to fail whether he set up to fail or he set up to succeed and yada yada he's not getting enough reps and he just ignored the noise and went out there and put it on a show

and I think I got a lot of respect for that the issue I have is for the teams the quarterback needy teams that should have taken it that are in still in quarterback back turmoil, whether it's the New York Giants, you know, who went out and got Russell Wilson and James Winston and then ended up drafting Jackson Dart.

If Jackson Dart goes out there and has a preseason game like Shador Sanders does, everybody's going to be screaming for him to start for the New York Giants. It's going to be fanfare. It's going to be all over. It's not going to matter that it's a preseason game. It's not going to matter that it's whatever backups are out there. it's not. It's not going to matter at all. And that's the weird narrative that I don't understand the weird hate that Chodor gets, that everything matters when it's him.

They nitpick every single thing that's on the field when it's him. But if it was another rookie quarterback, first round pick, and he's out there playing well on the preseason, and he's doing the things that we expected him to do, and he looks great. He looks like the game's not too big for him. It's not too fast. So on poor, we're not. We, would be celebrating and saying, man, this is a guy. This is, he's coming into the league prepared. He's coming into the league ready to execute. Like, I can't wait to see him during the regular season because he looks the part.

He looks like the guy we thought he was. But for some reason, Shador is so polarizing for certain people. And it's like they don't want him to succeed. They want to come up with reasons and excuses why they shouldn't celebrate his success. Hey, the guy's bawling, appreciate it. enjoy it. He's going to be a good player. He looks like he's going to could be a great player. And I think he's surprising some people in the NFL world. And I think they're going to have to trade for him. The Cleveland Browns could run into a scenario where you don't get to see

Dylan Gabriel in a preseason game or you see him in very, very limited reps in a preseason game. You don't get to see Kenny Pickett in a preseason game. Obviously, you have tape on him from, you know, previous NFL stops. You know, you got the tape from Pittsburgh and what do you? did there. You likely won't see very much of flacco, but obviously you know what you got in flacko. And so all you have is the tape that Shador Sanders is putting out. And if he gets a lot of reps versus the Philadelphia Eagles, say they go with flaco first, and then they go with Shador Sanders after that.

And Dylan Gabriel is still hurt and Kenny Pickett still hurt. I don't know how severe those hamstring injuries are, but I know they can be nagging, even for a quarterback. What do you do when it comes down to cut day? when it comes down to cut day and you're saying, hey, we don't have a ton of film on Dylan Gabriel, but we took him in third round. So we're not cutting him.

Hey, we know can you pick it to veteran. You want a veteran quarterback to back up your starter. You know, Joe Flacco is at the end of his rope, but, you know, is probably going to have a good season, and he's been really consistent and usually relatively healthy. And so what do you do with Shador Sanders? Do you risk trading him to a QB and Ety team who made a mistake on draft day

and took somebody else, and I'm not talking about the New Orleans Saints, but I'm kind of talking about the New Orleans Saints. Do you trade him to the New Orleans Saints? Do you trade him to the Pittsburgh Steelers, who, after Aaron Rogers, after this season, I believe he said he's done. What did they have after that? Mason Rudolph, who's been there for a while, but you also know he has a ceiling. Kand Shador Sanders go in there and make an impact and learn from A-Rod

and potentially compete for a starting job maybe next year. I know the fanfare will be there. I know that people will come watch the game. I know that the media will follow Shador Sanders. If he goes to New Orleans, all of a sudden we're talking about the New Orleans Saints, way more than we would be talking about the New Orleans States right now without Shador Sanders here. So I think those are potential options. Obviously, the Giants now that they got Jackson Dart and they got all the veterans that got,

it's not really a realistic option. Could it be the New York Jets? Obviously, that could be a potential option as a backup. you know, because he's still a rookie and he still needs time to develop. But I just wonder what's going to happen with the Cleveland Browns. When cut day happens, what are they going to do? Because if you trade should do, then he goes somewhere else and thrives and has an illustrious NFL career.

It just goes on the list of things the Browns did that were terrible decisions. Hey, you drafted the guy, but then you traded him away or you cut him. when you knew what you had. And I thought it was interesting, something that hasn't said when he said, I didn't want Shador Sanders. Andrew Barry drafted him. It was like, I've been watching the NFL for a long time, been around the NFL, played in the NFL, obviously.

I don't know many times an owner has just outright said they didn't want a draft pick in the year that the kid was. drafted. I don't know many times that's happened where an owner has, during training camp, this isn't late, like maybe years later, when things didn't go the way you thought it was, you come out and say, hey, that wasn't a guy. I thought we should draft, but I trusted our staff. They went and got him. They evaluated him. They thought it would be a good pick. It didn't work out. Okay, understood. But to come out during training camp and outright say, I didn't want this guy about a quarterback on your team,

a kid that was drafted in this draft class. Like, how do you think that makes your Doris Sanders feel? Now, sure, he's got mental fortitude. He's not going to let it show. He's not going to. But my owner just came out and said, no, I didn't want you. The GM wanted you, but I wish we would have drafted somebody else.

Like, this wasn't even a first round pick. This fifth round picks are a lot of times throwaway picks. and this is coming from a fifth round pick. It's not like you're getting a ton of fifth round picks that are just going out and becoming all pros and having illustrious careers and being part of one of the best defenses all the time. No, you're not always getting that.

You're not always getting Tom Brady in the sixth round. You're not always getting George Kittle in the fifth round, Cam Chancor in the fifth round. You're not always getting those things. So for owner to come out and say, I don't think we should have drafted him, I didn't want him. that's really weird.

That's really strange because it makes it even harder for them to justify keeping him, even if he plays well because, say, he plays well and he makes a team. And, you know, by some crazy scenario, he ends up getting meaningful reps and starting games and playing well, then you're going to have to walk that back in such an incredible way. You've already said you've already come out. said you don't want this kid. You don't want Shador Sanders and for no reason. There was no, it was unprompted. Nobody told you to say it. And I don't think it had any merit. There was no

reason. I don't understand the logic in saying that. But congratulations to Shador Sanders. And I hope he continues to shine in the preseason. I'm excited for him. I'm excited for him to continue to show he is who he thinks he is. And if he goes out there and does it against the Eagles, I don't know if he'll start again or what the plan is. know their head coach said it will get a lot of reps that game. And if he continues to show what he's showing right now, it's going to be an interesting media day and an interesting decision for the Cleveland Browns.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Me and a lot of relevance for the Seattle area. The Seattle Seahawks played the Las Vegas Raiders, a debut game for Jalen Milro, who had a really cool game with his legs, with his arm, showed a lot of promise, had a lot of Seahawks fans kind of screaming, hey, this might be the guy, this might be the guy for the future. And is this the time for them to get rid of Drew Locke? I don't know.

I'm not the head coach, but it does look like there will. be packages in there for Jalen Milrow, and he will factor into this offense and help them win football games. The defense looked solid, made plays. You could see some of the things that make Mike McDonald special, both as a play caller and a head coach. It was an interception in the game where they disguised it, went to what looked like two-trap. The corner picked the ball off. It was a beautiful play. I can't wait to see more of that and really go into detail, breaking those plays down.

But it was Pete Carroll's first time back in Seattle as the head coach of an imposing team. It was well received. People cheered for him as they should. I thought it was classy when Mike McDonald said, hey, I mean, he did a lot of great things here. He's a great coach. He's beloved. I think the fans should cheer for him.

That was the right thing to say. And, you know, it just goes on to show what a. classy human being Mike McDonald is and the kind of man and coach he is. But then you saw a little bit, you know, a little bit of the other side of fanfare with Gino Smith. And, you know, there was a sign saying who's the bigger bust. Jermarchus Russell, Gino Smith, there's something right on the corner where the visiting team comes out.

And, hey, it is what it is. That's part of the game. And Gino flipping the fans off and people are. up in arms about that. Hey, if you can dish it, you've got to be able to receive it. You know, he doesn't know what he's supposed to do, cheer him on and give him a hand and sign the sign. I don't think that's how it's going.

I don't think that's how it's going to go. And I love that for Gino. I love that for Seahawks fans. You know, that started a little bit of a back and forth. I thought Gino played solid. Yeah, only played one drive, got out of there pretty early. But that was fun. That's fun.

That's what sports is about being able to go, you know, you're the opposing team. They can give you a little crap and you can give it back. That's fun. I thought it was great the way Pete showed love to all the former players, all this former players and they showed love back to them. It was a beautiful moment. I think it made everything easier that this was a preseason game and not a regular season game because I think during a regular season game, if it was happening like that,

it wouldn't have been as sweet. It's not as sweet. You know, things are really serious during a regular season. and things are a lot more lax during the preseason. And I think that's why it was able to happen the way it happened. A guy that did have a forgettable debut was Ashton Genty. Sheesh. You know, I know fans were talking about his stance and all that.

I don't think that was the case. It was just a rough game. We got stuffed in the backfield. I want to say a few times. And, yeah, I don't think he had to run over three yards. but this is a national football league. Does that mean he's going to be a terrible player going forward and he's a bust?

No, no, by no means. But people will remember this moment. If he goes on to be five-time all pro, people will look back and be like, hey, look how he started. He had a rough game. The rough debut had to figure himself out, had to find himself,

and he ended up being the player we all thought he could be. But that was rough. A guy that's turning heads at C. Hawks Camp and a guy whose name I'm hearing repeatedly over and over is Torrey Horton. He had three catches for 31 yards and a touchdown. And you could just see it at Colorado State. He was the guy there. I only remember watching him because obviously we were watching Prime in Colorado,

but he was their number one guy, punt returning, and he just seemed smooth and slippery and, you know, could get to his spots. And he seemed at times dominant. and unstoppable. And sometimes guys at these universities, when you're the go-to guy and you're the only threat on that offense, defenses are game planning to stop you. You develop a variety to your game. You develop really quickly.

And you're able to understand how to get to your spots, how to be consistent, how to catch consistently, get open consistently. and be the guy. And I think that's what makes him special. He's a guy that has been the number one receiver for his team for a few years. And so when you come in and you're fighting for a spot, if you keep that same mentality, you keep that same confidence, you go out there and you play like you're supposed to be here. You play like you're supposed to be the guy. I'm supposed to be the number one. Somebody's going to have to tell him he's not the number one for him to believe in. And I don't think even then he's going to believe it. So I'm happy for him. I think he has a great

chance at making this team. Apparently, Marshaun is a photographer now. So you can add that to his resume of things he's doing. He's a photographer. He's an actor. He's in commercials. He's on Amazon Prime. He's likely a Hall of Fame running back.

If they don't put him in a hall, I don't think none of us going in. But that was fun to see. It was fun to see Marshaun out there. Obviously, Mike B and Cliff and all the guys did a great job in the broadcast. That was fun to see. but Pete's first game back, I think, was a success. And of course, it all ends in a tie. And they blocked a field goal at the end.

I said, of course, there's no other way this game could have ended. But I'm looking forward to seeing. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

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And on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinchin win. I mean, she went down. three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now.

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Moving on, we're moving on to the San Francisco 49ers and what they're doing up there in Santa Clara. They had joint practices with the Denver Broncos. And from what I understand, Denver Broncos dominated early. And they're number one defense in the land. And I think that's hardly debatable. corner in the National Football League. And Patrick Surtan, they have a really elite defensive line, and they do a great job playing man-to-man coverage, two-man trap.

And they have corners that can do it in Sartan and Riley Moss, and I think they're going to continue to be one of the best defenses in football. But then you look up, you look up on the other side, and you see the San Francisco 49ers found away. Brock Purdy, they said he started. to move the ball and start to find his spots. Obviously, that receiving core is really banged up, but you still have George Kittle, you still have Ricky Persol, you still have Christian McCaffrey, who was obviously from the Denver

area and made some huge plays in practice and really help open things up. So that's good to hear from both sides. I'm looking forward to that game happening today. It's Saturday in seeing how both teams perform. I would imagine Kyle's going to play the starters for a little while, but not as much is they're going to play in the next game. But that's a story to watch. Upton Stout is a guy who showed up when I went out there for training camp

and has continued to show up in these joint practices with the Denver Broncos. I got a feeling he's going to make this team and not only make this team, but really battle for a starting spot and played meaningful snaps for this football team. He's a guy that the moment's not too big for. He's sticky, he scrappy. He believes he belongs. The 49ers put out a clip of him, you know, in one-on-ones, intercepting a football. And I don't think everybody understands that one-on-ones are an offensive drill,

as much of an offensive drill as there ever has an existent. There's nothing but open space. The quarterback has no D-line, no rush, no nothing. There's no help. There's no, there's nobody in the way. You don't have to wait for windows to open. The receiver can just literally run from one side of the end. the field to the other side of the field and then turn around and run back to the other side of the field

and nobody's going to stop him. So for him to thrive in that environment was really cool to see. I think he's he's a guy that fans should keep an eye out for. He's definitely a guy who's going to who's going to pop out on tape today, I'm sure. Obviously, the game hasn't happened yet, but I would imagine he's going to be a guy that makes him huge plays today. Lynch is comparing up. and stout to Ronde-Barbour. That's some high praise. That's some really high praise from a guy who played with Ronde-Barbara on one of the best defenses in the history of the National Football League.

So, hey, hey, if John Lynch is saying it, I think we got to, you at least got to take heed to what he's saying. And we got to see it. We got to see it. We got to see it. And I can't wait to see it. Devante Adams in LA is going to be an issue. Well, he's an issue everywhere.

He's an issue everywhere he's played. He's a problem. He's a dominant receiver who has a really unique skill set. And he's a master at his craft and has only gotten better with time. But my God, that clip of him versus the Dallas defense and practice, people had told me what happened. You know, I was talking to Andrew Whitworth, who's really, really tied in with the and he said, Devante Adams might have had 400 yards in that practice. And I was like, I mean, I hear you, but Devante's cooking, but he ain't getting them

like that. And then you see the highlights and you're like, yish, my guy. I mean, obviously the Dallas Cowboys defense could have played that better in some respects, but Devante Adams is a dog. And he may be on his way to an all-pro season on the opposite side of Pookin'n Nicole because you're going to have the game plan for Pooking to Cool. I'm sure that there's going to be very few times that Matt Stafford misses him. So this is going to be a really fun offense to watch.

I thought the San Francisco 49ers should have had a shot at him. I think he came, he heard him out. They didn't offer him enough money. I'm sure hindsight is 2020 and Kyle with the injuries they have and how things are going at receiver for the San Francisco 49ers. They would love to have them. But they don't have the money to pay him what the Rams are paying himself. that's unfortunate.

In other news, apparently the NFL is trying to ban smelling salt. I don't think that's going to happen. I think the team I think it's one of those things that the NFL is trying to do to make sure that they protect themselves

from liability and not let the doctors or the training staff give it to the players because a player can say, hey, they gave me this and it it masked my concussion symptoms, et cetera, et cetera. But, hey, that's how players get hyped.

That's how players have gotten ready to play for very, very, very long time. I don't know how long. I can't say 30, 40, maybe 50 years. I don't know how far it goes back, but it goes back far. And those penalty sauce get you going and get you going every single time. And you got guys that depend on them, guys that every single drive, you get it and you're, You're ready to play. And so I don't think that's going to be a big issue.

I think it's a small story that became a big story. And it's going to go away pretty quick because guys are going to continue to use smelling salts. You're going to still see, you might just see another player holding it, you know, whether there's a practice squad guy or a guy that's injured, you know, carrying it around. But guys are going to get the smelling salt and they're going to be ready to play because that helps with their performance and helps them get their mind right and ready to play in the National Football League.

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