The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Seahawks DE Leonard Williams

Episode Date: December 19, 2024

Richard Sherman interviews Seattle Seahawks star defensive lineman Leonard Williams. They discuss Seattle's recent loss to Jordan Love and the Green Bay Packers, a game that Seahawks QB Geno Smith left with an injury, as well as their upcoming matchup with Sam Darnold and the 12-2 Minnesota Vikings. Leonard tells Sherm about his journey from getting drafted by the New York Jets, to then being traded across town to the New York Giants, and then finally landing in Seattle where he's playing like an NFL All-Pro. Sherm asks about the changes Mike Macdonald made coming out of the bye week that helped turn Seattle's season around, the impact of Ernest Jones and Tyrice Knight have had on the Seahawks defense, and how long Leonard plans to play in the NFL.#volume #herdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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That should always be the expectation. All right, man. That's you going on here. Welcome back to the Richard Sherman podcast. I got an incredible guest here. The Big Cat, Leonard Williams. How you feeling, brother? you've been playing great football.

I'm feeling great. I appreciate that. Defense's been rolling lately since the by-week. Teams been on a good high. We obviously came off of a loss that we're not happy about. But, you know, I feel like the team in general still got everything ahead of us. No question. You got everything ahead of you.

I mean, because that was a weird game. And it seemed like y'all found the answers in the second half. I don't know what the second half adjustments were, but it was right, you know, whatever it was. It seemed like y'all had answers for everything. everything. And you personally, every goddamn third and fourth down when they're trying to run the football, you find a way to get through it. One time it looked like they just parted for you. Yeah. And I was like, fuck, how did you not go block him? Yeah. I know. I mean, obviously, I'm going to take that layup. But I also think Mike just called a great call. And we had like a little outside stunt.

And I think the offensive lineman just wasn't expecting me to stun out. And they kind of like misread their blocks or something like that. And it just timed up perfectly. I got in the back field. I didn't want to shoot my shot right away. So it was funny. I got the backfield and kind of like squared up. But it was, it was great cause. Yeah, talk about that because obviously, you know, you've come here and you got traded and all that and then you get a new coaching staff. And it's much different, I think, well, correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like a much different scheme than you've played in in the past. And they used you a lot of different ways, you know, inside, kind of on the age-ish.

Talk about that and how much it really gets to showcase your versatility. Yeah, in my opinion, defense coordinators that have utilized me the best have always played me all along the D-line because I can play like pretty much a shade, like, all the way to a nine technique if I have to. And to me, I like doing that because I'm able to move all up and down the line, not always sticking in one spot, getting double-teamed and things like that. And actually I did play in a similar defense with Wink Martindale. He was also from the Ravens.

So it was slightly similar. I think the biggest difference is here we have a combination of that Raven style defense with also AD's style of like pass rush, which for me is a great combination because I think that older like Raven style defense, they have a lot of like safety blitzes and pressures and things like that where sometimes a lot of the big guys, our job is to just, like, eat blockers and, like, have these, like, smaller guys free off the edge.

And, like, I feel like this combination of defense allows, like, the big guys to eat, too. I want to hear about Ernest Jones and Tyrese Knight, because, again, we talked about the biweek and how dominant y'all have been since the biweek. I mean, those have been the biggest changes, you know, no, no, nothing bad. You don't have to say anything about Tyrell and Jerome, you know what I mean? Obviously, the coaching staff made decisions they felt like they needed to make. But those guys have come in and just played like their hairs on fly. Ernest didn't even know the scheme came in first week

and was moving and shaking. Yeah, I mean, to your point, I mean, those guys came in and made a big difference. You know, our defensive run game has, like, changed a lot since the by-week, since having E.J. and T. Knight back there. I love T. Dot and those guys, but, you know, I feel like, you said, I don't control the moves, but in the end of the day, I love having E.J. and T-night back there.

Teen-night's like a young guy who's really just hungry and striving to be the best he can every week. you know, we started competing with each other since that Cardinals game. And like, every week he comes up to me now. And he's just like, hey, Leo, like, we're going to compete again. Like, we're going to compete again. And that's like, I could just see that hunger in like a young, passionate player's eyes that I'm just like, man, I was there before. You know what I mean?

So I just, I love it. And like, E.J., I mean, it's crazy that he just turned 25. He seems like such a savvy vet already. There's times he's out there just telling us where the run play is going and bump in the front and things like that. So in my opinion, he's one of the best linebackers that I played with, to be honest. And I've only played with them in a short amount of time. So hopefully we can keep playing together. Last year, you were the first player to play 18 games since like 1930 or something crazy like that.

You got no biweek. Did you feel it? Yeah, I'll say I felt it for sure, especially, you know, playing 18 games in year nine, you know what I mean? Right, right. I don't want no part of that. But I finally got a buy week this year And I also felt that it reminded me of how It's how useful having a buy week is

In the middle of the season It's much needed So you go from that to like this year New staff, but you're a leader You're a captain, you know what I mean This crazy talented front that you guys have Derek Hall, the rookie Byron Murphy There's so many

There's so much talent And really depth on this D line Can you talk about what how much fun you guys have You know, because sometimes, you know, when there's egos involved, people don't want to rotate out, people don't want this, people don't want that. But it doesn't seem like y'all have that. Jaron Reed's in there, you don't know what I mean? There's a lot of really talented guys interior and on the outside, Draymond Jones and Boye. Talk about how it is to manage those guys in that room.

Yeah, I mean, that's a good question. I mean, I think this is one of the most stacked D-lines I played on in my career, and I played with some really good guys throughout my career. When I got drafted, I played with, you know, Sheldon Richards. Snacks, Damon Harrison, and Big Moe Wilkerson. We pretty much had three first rounders in the room. And even this feels like we have way more depth than rotation here. And like you said, sometimes it's hard when, it's hard to not have egos when you've always been a guy your whole life.

You know what I mean? Let's say every guy in our room has been the best at their high school, the best at their college, and even some of the best in the NFL sometimes. And it's hard sometimes when you have a room full of just alpha, alpha guys. But I think just from learning each other and, you know, having that type of family environment that we have in the D-Line room has allowed us to just like understand our role and just live up to our role the best we can. And, you know, we try to take ego out of it as much as possible. All right. Let's pivot a little bit because I just, this is personal questions.

Well, personal for me because I'm a Pact-12 guy. And I just want to ask what you think about all this chaos in college football and just, they ruined it, man. He ruining it. Yeah, I mean, that's the hard thing about the, you know, how I'm seeing. Like, I agree that I think they're ruined it just because when I was in college, it was like all about like, you know, we were broke college kids. It kind of what brought us together. Once I got to the NFL, it was like so different because it's like now people are playing

for money. Everybody kind of has a different agenda and things like that. So you don't see that connectiveness as much once I transition. from college to the NFL, which is like now you're starting to see that before kids even leave high school almost because it's like kids are already in high school thinking about NIL deals and things like that.

So it's just like it's become so much more of a business and just money-oriented and things like that. So, you know, I'm fine with the money, you know what I mean, if you run it like the pros. You know what I mean? Run it like the pros. Yeah. You know what I mean?

But it's like these kids are sitting there. Like the transfer. I didn't get enough money so I'm transferring or I didn't get enough money so I ain't playing this game. I'm not practicing this game. Like, bro, and you can't really punish them as a coach. That's why I don't think Belichick is going to do well because in the league you don't practice.

You're getting your behind fine. These kids come to practice and like, I'm not practicing. Cut me and I'll train. That's crazy. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's the problem. That's a problem for sure.

I felt like, I mean, and the worst part is eventually all the players are just eventually going to bleed out from the old ways. And, you know, all these people from the NIL or eventually be the NFL players. And it's just tough to see, like, sometimes. But the kid from SC, specifically,

the Bear Alexander kid? Oh, yeah. They said he's transferred seven schools in seven years. They said four times in high school, and this will be his third transfer in college. Like, a kid like that, if I'm an NFL team, I don't know how I'm drafting that kid. I don't know how I'm draft that kid.

You can't stay still. Not loyal. No loyalty and no ability to overcome and just like ten toes down and dig in and like let's go. Yeah, exactly. I mean, one of the main phrases that freaking Mike McDonald says all the time is through not around. And it's just like that's one of those situations where, you know, kids instead of facing the hardships and facing the difficulties and being with the team and going through it together, like kids sometimes nowadays can just be like, you know, F it, I'm going just transfer.

You know, to us that's going around. You're not going through the problem. Exactly. And I don't know how you fix that. You know what I mean? The NCAA could have done it when they first start asking, hey, time to pay the kids. They should have just put a salary cap in and then upped it, up it, up, it, up, and you would have had a better argument.

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You know, I got drafted there so long ago. I'm not really attached anymore and things like that, which was all true for me leading up to the game. But I got to say after the game, it definitely felt like, okay, that was pretty a public. poetic, to be honest. So, you know, it felt good going back, playing the MetLife Stadium on an, you know, opposing team this time. And, you know, having a day like that, it was awesome. Yeah, I mean, a 92-yard pick six, the longest by a 300-pound plus player.

I mean, what about Jay Reid talking about he didn't know you was that heavy? I said, Jay Reid, what do you think? Like, his big human being is. You think he's 290? Like, what are we doing? Yeah. I guess because, like, my frame looks a little leaner than most guys, you know, 300 plus pounds. I think sometimes when people think of a 300-pounder on the D-line, they're probably thinking of, like, you know, a big rounder guy.

But I'm, like, tall and lean, more athletic built. So sometimes guys think I'm, like, around, like, 280, 290 sometimes. I don't, I don't, I don't. 312, man. I don't, I mean, you've been around football enough, you know what I mean? Which J. Rie shouldn't, dude. So that's what I'm saying. Jayree, you're DeLyman.

That's all you around. You know the difference, but talk to me about your draft day experience because clearly, you know, we had two totally different draft day experiences. You know, you were going top five, and I was trying to get drafted. So that's hilarious. I mean, hey, you had a great career, man, regardless of where you got drafted. I appreciate that. Yeah, I mean, my draft day was in Chicago, which was pretty cool.

I think it was like one of the first times they started. switching up where the draft was. I think it was always in New York before that. I ended up falling out of the top five, which is where I was projected and I went sixth overall. So obviously, you know, a really happy, exciting day for me. Had all my family with me in Chicago, though. And I just was not expecting the Jets to draft me though. I remember because when I seen them up at six, I'm like, oh, they already have like Mo Wilkerson and snacks and Sheldon and all these guys on the D-line. Like, they don't need another D-Lyman. I remember when they called me and took me, they were just like, hey, like, we see it as, you know, best available.

Not necessarily what the team needs. And they thought I was, you know, best available on the board and draft me to the Jets. It's such a different city. You know, I couldn't imagine getting drafted to New York. It's such a big city. So much to do, so much expectations, so much media scrutiny and attention. I know that had to be a hard transition. Yeah, that is hard.

I mean, especially right out of college. I was a young player. I was only 20 years old. I remember even taking the D-line to Ricky dinner. And, you know, when I got the bill and I tried to pay for it, the lady was like, wait, you can't pay for the bill because y'all had drinks and you're under 21. So I got off the hook a little bit, but, you know, they for sure found another way to get it out of me.

Don't worry. You know how I was back then, man. Back then, that's crazy. That was 10 years ago for me, so I could say that. That's great. Time flies, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. That's crazy. And then you come to Seattle. Seattle's a whole different city than New York. You know what I mean? You're not really in Seattle when you play for Seahawks.

You really own East Side. Yeah, I mean, it was really tough playing in New York, I'll say. I mean, especially, like I said, as a young player, even getting drafted so high, it comes with things as well. Like, being drafted so high, I'm thinking, I'm putting pressure on myself even. There's already expectations out there. And, you know, I'm putting expectations on myself. as well. So I felt like when I was younger, I was kind of, you know, forcing myself to try to make

these like TFLs and sacks and I live up to my draft status, which I think made me play out of character and didn't allow me to play, like, freely, to be honest. And that's something I try to tell the young guys now, now that I'm in year 10, I'm like, hey, like, the reason why I'm able to play good now is because, you know, I got there and play fearless. I know what I'm doing. I play free. And I'm not trying to like chase these plays. I'm just trying to, you know, play a good technique and play within the framework of the defense and things like that. So I think like playing in the city of New York definitely had a lot of pressure, a lot of scrutiny, media, and things like that. And, you know, playing in Seattle now is completely different.

I talked about, I remember my first game here when I got traded, we played against the Ravens. And it was an away game and we got blew out. It was, you know, it was an ugly loss. and I remember we got home at like 4 a.m., pulled up to the facility, and there's fans everywhere still, like after a loss. And I'm like, I'm not used to that because in New York, it's like we're losing at halftime and fans are leaving and booing our own team. You know, here they're still rooting for you even after a loss at 5 a.m.

outside of the building. I'm like, this is different. Oh, it's totally different. I mean, they're passionate, and I don't think people understand until you experience it. but that's a really cool experience and a cool story because we used to have that all the time, especially in the playoffs. We go to a game,

you know, play a playoff game, come back and, you know, as the little road when you're coming out of the airport used to be lined with Seahawks fans. So when we got on runs, it used to just be like freaking, like a mile worth of fans at whatever time we got back. You know, it didn't matter what time we got back.

It'd be three, four o'clock, two o'clock in the morning. It's going to be fans lined up. And, you know, it really was a cool thing to see. and motivating factor and, you know, you had an appreciation for what those people were going through and people showing up for you and you tried to put it on tape for them. But you putting it on tape this year in a different way

than I, you know, honestly, I think you have. You know, you probably can get your first all pro this year, I would imagine unless they vote in it different than they have been. But you playing like an all pro, how much would it mean to you to be named to one of those all pro team? I mean, it would mean the world to me, honestly. You know, I've been in this league for 10 years. And, you know, that's something that, you know,

every player strives to be, you know, the best at what they do. And, you know, I'm sitting in that defensive meeting room every day. And I'm seeing you and Earl Thomas up there on the all pro board and things like that. And I'm just like, man, how beautiful would it be to add another behawk up there on that board? And, you know, I want to be remembered here. And I want to, you know, put a stamp on my legacy and just. my career and just, like you said, like playing for those fans, like, you know, give the 12s, just more things to root for.

And, you know, it would mean a lot to me. That would be really cool, man. And I hope you get it. You deserve it. You've been playing your butthole. Hey, it's us to Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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This is a podcast we're recording it as we tailgate our youth soccer games in the back of my Honda Odyssey. With all the snacks and drink. Sidebar. Why did you get hard seltzer instead of beer? Oh, they had a bogo. Well, then you got it. Do you want a white collar something here? Just take it. What are y'all doing? Microphones? Are you making a rap album? Oh, I would. Come on.

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and you're a tough outfit, and I think it's going to match up really well. What do you feel like y'all got to do over these next three to get in? Because it's going to take all three of them, really, to get y'all in the playoffs. And I know, you know, you take it one game at a time. But just talking to the team more than the matchups and anything, what do you think you guys have to do as a team to just, you know, keep steady the course? And, you know, obviously you won four in a row before losing this one. What do you have to do going forward?

I think it's just really lock in. You know, I feel like we did the good job of that after the bye week. because we started off the season high, and then we kind of lost a few games, and then we were kind of at like that 500 team place after the by week. And after the by week, you know, the leaders and the coaches and everybody said,

hey, we got to treat it like playoffs now. So that kind of got us in the mindset of like week by week. We just were locked in. And I don't want to say we got comfortable or anything like that, but, you know, after four-game winning streak, sometimes it does get a little, you know, you've been there before where, you know, guys start to get a little comfortable.

You start not doing the little things as fine-tuned as you were when you were losing and knew what was on the line and things like that. So I think this loss, you know, definitely put a bad taste in our mouth. And we're about to be home again this week. And I think coming off of that loss is definitely going to make us, you know, lock back in and, you know, dial in on the details again. So how long do you want to play? And I think I want to play is.

as long as I'm able to keep being a factor in this league, and then I'm going to try to keep playing, to be honest. I think when I was young, I said, hey, when I get to year 10, I'm going to retire. You know, I was young. I thought, you know, 10 years was a great career. Like, you know, I didn't know how fast it was just going to go like that. You know what I mean?

It went by so fast. And I feel like now I'm still playing, you know, some of my best ball, to be honest. So I feel like I still got a few good years under my belt. I think so, too. I think so too. I think that's going to be cool. And you say so much, when I was first getting into the league,

I was like, man, I just want to get past the three years, three games, man. I feel like if I go four, I'm pretty, I feel pretty good about myself. Like, I didn't, I went past the average. And then I got to year like nine. And it was like, in the Super Bowl. I think I could do a couple more. Like, I think I got a couple more in me. I think I got this game pretty well figured out.

You get to that point. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so hard because you're telling young guys. You get to that point. So when you're older. where you almost just take it a year by year at this point, you know what I mean? It's just like as long as you're still feeling good, still got it, you're just all right,

maybe I got a year or two more left than me, you know what I mean? Yeah, you take a year by year. And you're so like, you have such less wasted movement now. You know what I mean? Like, you're not wasting. I'm not wasting time. I'm not wasting steps. I'm not like doing unnecessary stuff.

You know, I know I take care of my body. I got my routine together. I got my off-season routine together. Like, I know what's going on. And sometimes it's hard to explain it to a young guy until they experience it. you're like, hey, you might not want to do that. You might not want to do that. But sometimes you got to go out there and bump your head to be like, oh, okay, maybe you should.

Look, I told you. I told you you might not want to do that. Like, that was from experience. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I remember when I was younger, I was going out all the time. Like you said, I was in a big New York City. I had that, you know, I wasn't taking care of my body as well and things like that. And, you know, like you said, it's like being older now.

It's like you understand the game a little bit more. You're not out there just, like, wasting energy. And also I've been talking about joking lately that I just have like grown man strength too now. So it's like once I reach a certain age, it's like now I'm like, okay, if I'm getting a one-on-one block, I know I'm locked this guy out.

You know what I mean? That obviously plays a difference. No question, no question. I don't know if you got kids yet, but as soon as you have kids, that it comes that day. That's right. Now you got something to play for it.

That's what it is. I start strong arming, long-arming people at the corner spot. I said, look at this. Where did this come from? What did you know about the long arm, bro? Come on. I know something. You blessed a few times? Every now in there.

You know, man? We sit down. Up the edge. The arm over is crazy. They never let me blitz, though. You got any questions for me before I let you go, man, because I noticed you're off day and you, I mean, you got to go get your time,

and I appreciate you, you sharing some moments with me. But I know you, You got to go take gear yourself. Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, I didn't expect you to ask me if I had any questions, to be honest. But, you know, I definitely hope we can link up sometime and, you know, chat and just keep talking ball. And, you know, I want to be an all pro one day and I want to continue to be an all pro. So I think just seeing how you manage being that level this year in, year out, like back to back, you know, I mean.

We could definitely chat that out. You know, I mean, I'll pull up to the facility and we can have coffee and most. office and chop it up and talk to them ball a bit. But a lot of it is just grind it, man. Like it's staying in your routine. It's like everything you're saying right now and what you're talking about, like, playing free and like letting it go and trusting the tape you study, trusting your teammates.

Like for us, it was like the standard was so high for us that we'd be practicing so damn hard every damn day that you go to games and be like, oh, it's like a sigh of relief out here. y'all boys don't know the tempo. By the time y'all get the tempo, we up by 25. I love that, man. Jay Rearie talks a lot about that, too, actually, because he played with y'all.

You know what I mean? So he talked about how different y'all were in practice. That's the main thing he talks about. He doesn't talk about game today. I mean, the way these guys practiced was, like, on another level, you know? Because we have, like, imagine the annoying guy in practice that goes way too hard and walk through. we had like 25 of them.

By all you are now. The whole defense. So you're sitting there and you're like, hey, y'all, you know what I mean? Y'all putting cleats on for walkthroughs. Y'all like rolling all the time. And it's like at that point, Pete has to just say like, hey, either you don't want us on the field or don't do the walkthrough. Because you know what tempo we're going to be at. And you know what it's going to be at and what we're going to be doing.

So if you don't want that, don't put us out there. Put the scout team out there and let it go how it's going to go. but if you put us out there, you're getting full speed tempo and you get an aggression. All the time. In aggression. In aggression.

Because somebody might get hurt. That's why we kept losing draft picks and stuff because we'd go to OTAs and, you know, they tell us not to break up passes and stuff, but Pete, you know,

it would show one-on-ones every single day. And he'd show one-on-ones and he showed the corners losing and it's like, bro, I could have bet it that, but you'll tell me not to go for the ball. All right, that's the last

we're going to ever do that. So now we're going for the ball every time. Kick me out to practice. But, man, it's into our own hands. Yeah, that's how we was. And then we lose draft picks and all those others. But now you know, not, don't show one-on-ones if you don't want us going out there and playing as hard as we can because don't try to get these dudes no fake confidence.

We all like that. I mean, we are competitive out here, man. We all real dogs. But I appreciate you, brother. I'll let you go. I'm going to hit you, get you my number. once we get off the recording, then we could figure out when you're free

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