The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Richard Sherman Podcast - Why Seahawks PAID Jaxon Smith-Njigba $42M, 49ers-Trent Duffy drama, OBJ next team | Richard Sherman

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

Jaxon Smith-Njigba just became the highest-paid wide receiver in NFL history at $42.15M per year—but the real story is how the Seattle Seahawks made it work. Richard Sherman breaks down why the deal is effectively closer to $32M annually, how John Schneider cleared cap space by moving on from DK Metcalf, Kenneth Walker III, Boye Mafe, and Coby Bryant, and what it means for paying stars like Devon Witherspoon next. What happens when a “slot receiver” becomes Offensive Player of the Year and a Super Bowl champion? Sherman explains why expectations change—and why JSN’s mindset (“What’s better than one Super Bowl? Two”) justifies the price.  Plus, why role players like Jake Bobo still matter in a star-heavy locker room, how Mike Macdonald’s system and Sam Darnold’s playoff form give Seattle real dynasty potential, and why getting ahead of the market with Witherspoon could be the next move. We also break down the San Francisco 49ers’ cap strategy with Trent Williams, why this is more about flexibility than conflict, and how they’re trying to avoid future dead money.  Then: Team USA flag football dominates NFL talent—why it’s a completely different game, which NFL players could actually thrive in the Olympics, and what Odell Beckham Jr. still brings as a veteran option. Finally, Sherman reacts to his Emmy nomination.All lines are provided by Hard Rock Bet. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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continue to grow rapport in relationship with Sam Darnold and continue to thrive. I think this is this receiving court. Now, it's a well-paid receiving court, Mitchell, but with Jackson Smith and Gigbaat, $42.15 million a year, you got Shaheed at 17 a year. you got Cooper Cup at $15 million a year, and then they match Bobo's deal to bring him back. They're going to have to produce. That's for sure.

Now, you know, it's always nice when you win and you do crazy things and you do great things. And the expectations aren't there? There's not a huge burden of expectation, but when you get paid, when you get paid like Shaheed and like Cooper Cup and, like, like Jackson just got paid, now the expectations and the criticisms that come with those expectations start to ramp up. But I think they're ready for it. I think they're poised

to have another fantastic year. They're not going to surprise anybody this year. I'm not going to have to go to training camp and come back and get on this podcast and say, hey, Mitchell, they look great because everybody knows what they look like. They just won the Super Bowl. This is a great deal for the team. I think this helps them long term. I think they're going to do the same thing with Devin Wutherpoon. I don't see any reason why they wouldn't get a deal done there, but this is incredible. And Jackson seems to be ready to repeat his energy's right, his mindset's right. He's built of the right stuff. So I'm looking forward to seeing them thrive even more this season with the burden of expectations they'll have on them.

After last year, about this same time last year, we're talking about them getting rid of Gino, them trading D.K. Metcalfe and all the things that happened that season. If you would have told me a year later, we'd be talking about the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks and Jackson Smith and Jigba coming off offensive player at a year's season being named the highest paid player in the national football league. I would just call you crazy just because. At that point, he was the number two, three receiver. He was mostly used in the slot. Just hadn't shown, I mean, he'd shown the ability. Obviously, in college, he had a 300-yard game. But he hadn't been given the opportunity to showcase his ability in the way that he was this year.

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So, Richard, Seattle is obviously getting a. pro here a pros pro he's well worth the money and i know the money on its face seems like a lot but the money on its face seemed like a lot a few years ago but i remember when the lions re-signed amon-raissant brown and gave him 30 million dollars a year and all of a sudden that became the next threshold for receivers now that 40 million dollar mark is that next threshold so the the receivers getting paid after him uh pukinakua you know we'll see i don't know the other big names. I know George Pickens just got franchise. I know he won't be in that

tier, but I would expect some of these guys to be making some eye-popping numbers that make fans wonder what the heck is going on. But that's just the nature of the beast. As the cap space goes up, these margins go up a lot higher for these skill positions. But

ultimately, you alluded to it throughout our off-season talk, Richard, and we were looking at how Seattle was positioning themselves in free agency. And obviously, they let a little bit of depth walk. They let Kenneth Walker walk. They let Bowie Maffi walk. They let Kobe Bryant walk, etc. You know, all for this reason, because they got to pay the big man in the room and that's JSN. You know, Richard, break it down for fans so they can better understand, you know, the financial

ramifications of offloading this much cap space onto a team and what it does, the trickle-down effect that it has on the rest of the roster. You know, some say it kills the the middle class in the National Football League, but I think John Snyder's doing an incredible job. He did an incredible job of getting this deal done early. So, you know, I know it's highest paid in the history of the game, but then you look at it over the next six years. It's $32 million a year,

which is a very reasonable price for a receiver, and it's in line with other receivers in the league. You look at George Pickens getting the franchise tag. I think he's going to be looking at $31, $32 million a year once he gets off of that. I think it's going to be fine, but this is the exact reason you can't keep a good player like Kobe Brian. You can't keep a Super Bowl MVP like Kenneth Walker. And you got to draft well. You got to draft well. You got to trust your depth. You got to trust the guys you sign in free agency that they can

pick up the slack. I know they feel good about Ty Okada in terms of what he can do and Kobe Bryant did. Obviously, they have a lot of love and respect for Kobe Bryant. And he's going to be fantastic in Chicago, but that's why you draft well. That's why you got to trust your depth. That's why you train the next guy. That's why it's always next man up mentality because when you have guys playing at an all-pro, you know, offensive player at a year type level, you're going to have to pay them. You're going to have to pay Devin Witherspoon.

And when you pay Devin Witherspoon, then it means you're going to expect more. You're going to have to lean on those guys more because you're not able to pay everybody else as much. So, you know, that's what happened in San Francisco. When you're paying your best players, it's fine. But when you pay your best players and the guys you're playing aren't on the field, then it's very difficult to win the National Football League. And so this is going to work out fine. I think their window is wide open. I think they have a great chance to run it back. Mike McDonald's system works. I don't think the NFL is caught up to it. Obviously, they're still looking for answers, but when you have a full all season to study a team and to study a

defense, they're going to be looking for the few weaknesses that they can expose and try to force him to adjust. That's the part of being a great team and being at the top of the mountain. That's a little frustrating because everybody's studying you. Everybody's trying to figure out how to beat you and create the next championship dynasty. And can this team be a dynasty? I believe so. I believe so because they have something, they have a repeatable system. You know, it's not like anything they did was incredibly difficult to replicate. You know, they ran the ball well at times. Sam Darnold, I think, will be better this year than he was last year.

He had 20 turnovers during the season, which was among the league leaders, and then didn't turn the ball over once in the playoffs. So again, if he plays at the level that he played in the playoffs throughout the entire season, this is a juggernaut of a team, a very difficult team, a very difficult out for any team in the NFC or the AFC. And you alluded to it too. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news.

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Steelers. Some folks kind of looked and wondered, you know, what's the plan here? Obviously, getting rid of Gino. I mean, in hindsight, both of those moves allowed them to make a move like this and extending JSN because, you know, DK. Metcalf is another guy. making $33 million a year. So you free up that cap space to be able to keep JSN,

and it's an addition by subtraction kind of thing. You're giving JSN a lot more opportunity there and clearly proved he was that guy. You know, is there anything that you looked off of last off season that should have been done differently for John Schneider and the C Hawks, or do you think he just grade A-Aased it? I mean, he's a ace the last three years, four years. That's why they're in a position they are

because he's drafted really well. They've made really shrewd trades that have benefited them in a big way. They've taken care of the positions that you've got to take care of, which is offensive line and defensive line. You know, it's not sexy to draft a guard in the first round, but when you do, you solidify your offensive line in an incredible way, and you solidify the culture of your offensive line, and that's what they brought in with Gray Zabel.

I mean, you just hear how the guys in the building talk about him and how he's changed things, and brought them together and certain things he's forced them to hang out and be together because that's all he knows. He's one of those old school cut offensive linemen that's like, hey, we got to sit there

and we got to drink beer together. We got to hang out. We got to be around each other. Hey, it's not a glamorous job, but goddamn it, somebody got to do it. You got to love to have those guys on the team. Richard, another low-key move that this team made this week is they re-signed Jake Bobo.

And I know Bobo filled in and had a pretty decent role with this team as a reserve wide receiver. He certainly made a name for himself in the preseason. How much do you think the Seattle Seahawks like this guy? I mean, what do you really think he brings to the team? I know there was a lot of criticism, you know, with his 40 time and all that stuff, and he put a lot of those fears to bed this past year. But what do you think Jake Bobo and his resigning needs to this team? It means a ton, you know, in a lot of phases.

He does the dirty work. You know, he's just one of those blue-collar guys who brings his lunch bill every day and goes to work. He's a guy that makes an incredible impact on special teams. But at receiver, he has plays. He has moments where he's a factor. And he's not going to get, you know, 100 targets or anything like that. But some guys are for the culture, for the culture of the team.

You know, those are the guys, the nuts and bolts guys. And he's one of those guys that, that, are a glue guy and really help hold this team together in critical moments that you really don't notice until those moments come up and you're like, oh man, look at Bobo, just scored a touchdown in the playoffs. And you're like, he might have had 15 catches the whole year and he scored a touchdown in the playoffs. And again, he's reliable where he needs to be. There's no complaints. And he's just a do shit right guy. And you need those. Richard, the one question we have coming up next and the big question,

for the Seattle Seahawks is what to do with Devin Witherspoon. We just saw McDuffie get paid an exorbitant amount of money by the L.A. Rams after being traded over from the Kansas City Chiefs, setting a new market at corner. After this JSN move, you know, what do you do with Devin Witherspoon? Do you re-up him? And what do you anticipate he makes, you know, during his extension? Is he another guy that you would set the market with again? How would you handle the situation if you're John Schneider?

I mean, you would try not to step the market, but again, if you get it done early enough, then the years after the deal are the market setter. So say he gets $32 million a year over the next four years, and they do it this year. Again, when you have a couple years left on your deal, when you have a year or two left on your deal, it makes a big difference. And I think when you look at it over the lifetime of the deal, it looks like a much more reasonable deal. So again, I think he's going to get a deal, a record-setting deal, no question about it. I think John Snyder is being very smart about how he does these things and why

he's doing it so early to give him flexibility down the road. And again, allow him to continue to draft well, continue to replenish the cupboard, but also keep his guys happy, keep his best players happy. Why do you think there's been a movement away from teams like the Seattle Seahawks franchising players because, you know, a lot of fans when you hear the talk, you know, specifically in a running back market, like, why wouldn't you just franchise tag a guy like Kenneth Walker? What's, why is it that we're not seeing as many teams franchise tag guys, do you think? Yeah, I don't really have a great answer for this, because each team's philosophy is so different, but I think the Seahawks just want more long-term stability.

And I think that's the way John Snyder is thinking about things. He's thinking about the long-term future. I mean, in one-year franchise tag, it puts more guaranteed money on the books that you can't manipulate, you can't push forward, you can't do anything like that. And they've done a fantastic job. They're the lowest team in dead money, the lowest dead money team in the National Football League, the lowest amount of dead money. And the reason is because he's been incredibly shrewd in the way he's done contracts. And I don't think he wants to be in a situation where he can't have flexibility, even if it's just for a year with the running back position

and to pay a number that he's not comfortable with. Because even if you're paying top dollar, if you got voidable years, if you got structured, the way you structure it, you still have some flexibility. But in a franchise tag, there's very little. A solid wardrobe really comes down to a few pieces that actually work and hold up. That's why I've been rocking with quince, Same, Richard. You must be reading my mind. Quince is all about those everyday essentials,

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I don't know if you've heard my guy right here. Richard Sherman was just nominated for an Emmy. Emerging on-air talent, Richard Sherman, Emmy nominee, you know, Richard, talk a little bit about how much it means you to be nominated for something like this for the Emmy. obviously you were a hell of a football player. You began working in the media shortly after retirement, and you've been kicking ass. What does it mean to you to be named as a nominee for an Emmy

at this stage, this early on in your media career? Well, it's incredibly humbling, and it means a ton. But it's just a testament to the product and the team we have at Thursday night football. It's such a joy to come to work every day, to work with Carissa, Tony, Fitzwitz, Witt, Taylor, you know, the entire staff. There's so many incredible people behind the scenes, putting in work, making sure we're in the position, Amina, Spoon, Kaiser, you know,

the higher-ups, the execs, Jay Marine, and, you know, it's just so many people on these teams that do a phenomenal job, Mariano, of making sure that we have an incredible product. We're prepared. Everything is running. Everything's where it's supposed to be. my guy BK making sure, you know, whether it's the graphics or making sure, you know, they're, switching to the right channel or they're switching to the right scene or the next camera,

et cetera, et cetera. And it, you know, Chris is obviously the glue that holds everything together. So I'm just grateful to be a part of such an amazing team. And to be nominated for an Emmy is a really cool deal, but it's just more of a testament to the entire product that we get to put out there every week. It's a joy to do it. Well, I'm excited to see you win it. Like I said, you have my vote, Rich.

You got my vote. Let's talk a little bit about this. That's what matters. Yes, sir. Let's talk a little bit about these San Francisco 49ers. You know, the big news in San Francisco right now is what's going on with Trent Williams. And obviously, he's entering the last year. His contract, he's got a huge cap hit.

The 49ers declined his $10 million option, which basically moves that $10 million into his current base salary. you know, the option was in there to give him some flexibility if they wanted to extend that out for three more void years. So they're choosing to take the cap hit all up front this year. What do you make of the strategy here? What do you think John Lynch is positioning himself in this team for? To be to continue to be a very competitive football team, I think they've gotten frustrated, not with Trent Williams, but just with the dead money situation that they've run into year after year,

a year. I think they've been, you know, amongst the top dead money teams for the last few years because of Javon Hargraves contract, Debo Samuel, you know, so many guys that they've had to part ways with for whatever reason. But they're trying to get away from that. So I don't think they want to throw more dead money into the future. I think they're trying to take their licks now. I don't think, but again, I haven't talked to John or Kyle, but I obviously don't see them getting rid of Trent Williams. Trent feels like he has a tremendous amount of leverage. Obviously, the longer these negotiations go on, the less leverage I think Trent has because teams are going to spend the money. They're going to spend the money. They're going to get pay guys. They're going to

start to plan for next year. They're going to start to think, hey, this situation's done. And teams can't just create $30 million in, and, in, you know, and, in, you know, and, you're out of nowhere. You know, some teams can, but the contenders usually have a tight cap situation. So, you know, I think this situation is going to get rectified, but obviously it's been a bit of a distraction this offseason, but both sides want to be here, both sides want Trent Williams in San Francisco, and that's something I believe, and I think that's what's going to ultimately happen. Well, this is not the same situation from last year with Brandon Ayyuk. I think Trent Williams, like you said, really wants to be there.

The reality is he is getting up there in age. You know, his career is probably coming to a close here in the next few years. I'm sure he wants to make as much money as possible. And I'm sure that 49ers want him at left tackle for the foreseeable future here. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name?

Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcast. A pretty wide range of podcasts around there. But this one's extra special.

So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. and then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends.

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Richard, we got to talk a little flag football over the weekend. And you kind of talked about it. I don't know how much we've actually talked about it on this podcast, but you and I've talked about it separately. And I remember asking you, I said, I mean, I feel like NFL players would go and just demolish Team USA. And you said, I don't know if that's the case because there's a lot. of different rules at play. And clearly we saw that all play out in real time. You saw these guys doing like wrestling knee crawl moves, avoiding defenders and just

doing these fake spin moves and just all over the place. And yet we've got former and current NFL players that are just getting diced up by these guys. Maybe Team USA and Team USA flag football has made us all believers now. Do you think there's any situation where if the NFL stars were to truly give it they're all in practice by NFL by the flag football rules and you learn the strategy do you think

you know given a little bit of time they might be able to put up a better fight here or what? I'm no question about it but this man I'm it's exactly what I thought would happen I thought it would be worse than what it was because it's such a different game and for them that put actual linebackers out there was

insane I mean you don't put linebackers have no business in flag football their their entire build is to stop runs and be physical and that has no place in flag football. So your middle linebacker is going to be like a nickel. It's going to be like a nickel. He's quick, agile, you know, maybe a taller nickel. Maybe you get somebody like Kyle Hamilton who can be good in space, but there's no place for bigger guys. And even the superstar guys that you're looking for, you know, Jemir Gibbs would be great. I think K-9 would be great in flag football. I think

I think Tyreek Hill would be fantastic. It wouldn't necessarily be the guys that make the best NFL players to play flag football. Sometimes it'd be the guy who is the guy who is an offseason like, you know, T-shirt warrior, you know, the T-shirt and shorts, you know, superstar, those would make great flag football players. They don't always translate into the best physical football players, but it's also a different game and you and you got to respect the guys that that play that game and the way they play

that game and some people would ask me before they were like oh man they're gonna NFL is going to send the team um to the Olympics I said I don't see very many NFL players being on the roster at all now again Jamir Gibbs canine you know guys that are dynamic in in short area quickness and some of these scat little small jitterbug receivers sure um I think McDuffie would do well in this sense But do I think every corner, every elite corner that we have would do well in this game? No, I don't because, again, taking flags isn't the same as tackling. You can track somebody down to tackle them. You can square them up.

You can read their body and you can get yourself in position to bring them down. But the way they're able to manipulate their body and lower their flags and change the angles of their flags isn't something that NFL players are necessarily used to. I mean, I saw Patrick Peterson going against I Show Speed, and he tracked him well. You know, and football would have been a great tackle. He would have put his shoulder on him. He would have been to the ground. But he spun away from him because you've got to grab his flags at the end of the day. And that's something that takes practice, and it's not one of those things that comes easy or comes naturally to guys.

So, yeah, it's a different coverage. The field's smaller. You know, the game is so much different for quarterback. Everybody's like, oh, these quarterbacks are putting on a bad showing. And it's a different game. It's a different game. They're reading it like these are the coverages they're used to seeing, but it's not. It's not the coverages you're used to seeing.

And it's not the guys playing the positions that you're used to playing. So I think with more practice and changing the guys, you know, you're not going with the superstars that you're used to. You're going with the guys who can move in space, who can cover in space, who are quick. who have great hand-eye coordination. Lamar Jackson would be fantastic in this league. You know, you've got to have a mobile quarterback. You know, you can't, Joe Burrow is a fantastic quarterback. Tom Brady's a fantastic quarterback.

But in Flag, you need a mobile guy who might be able to fling it just enough. I'm going to throw a random name out there who I think would be an all-star in flight football. Cavante Turpin, you know, the Dallas Cowboys. Speed, short, agile, quick. Rashid Shaheed, your guy up in Seattle. guys like that bring that element of quickness and speed to the game look out. But what will you just explain, Richard, is what in the fighting community, the difference between MMA and boxing, right?

I mean, you see all these MMA fighters try to fight in boxing, and it's a totally different sport. I think we witnessed it this past weekend. Flag football is a lot different than tackle football. But given time, I'm sure the NFL stars could figure it out. But we did see O'Dell Beckham Jr. make a big catch in that game. You know, he's still not on a team. What gives with him?

Do you think he'll get an opportunity this year? You know, I'm hearing that there's speculation out there that teams are more interested because they don't, I mean, he can play. He can catch the ball at a high level. A lot of the issues for him recently have just been helped. Can you get on the field? Can he stay on the field? When he's on the field, he can play.

He can catch the ball. What is his role? Can he fit that role? Can he thrive in a different role? You know, he's been a superstar for so long. Can he thrive in a secondary role? We'll see. But, again, he's a guy who can play the game.

You talk about DeAndre Hopkins, you know, another guy who can just play the game. They're just football players. And if you put them out there and you throw them the ball, they're going to make some plays. Are they what they used to be in their prime? No, other time waits for no man. But are they quality football players still? Yeah, I think so. And I think they can have a role.

Well, we shall see there's a lot of veterans that are still left to be assigned here in free agencies. And we still got a lot of time left. You know, obviously on the horizons, the draft. Richard, we're going to have a lot more to talk about leading up to the draft. It's always a pleasure sitting down with you. Again, congrats on your Emmy nomination. Well deserved. I will let you sign us off, my friend.

Thank you, Mitchell. I appreciate that. As always, you guys could be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us, and we sincerely appreciate it. Thank you so much. Hope your offseason is going well. Hope your spring's going well. I hope you have a great Easter in a couple weeks.

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