The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Rocky Ranking & Falling SHORT | Ep #70

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Today marks the 48th anniversary of the release of the original Rocky, we rank the original Rocky movie franchise from best to worst. James Harden just passed Ray Allen in the NBA 3-point leaders, but Ray Allen was JUST SHY of 3000 3-pointers.  We highlight other athletes who fell short of a huge milestone. And Rich shares his Thursday Night Football Teaser bet courtesy of DraftKings Sportsbook, CODE: CRSHOW #FSR #CRSHOW #Overpromised See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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But we're also going to talk about falling short of milestones. James Harden's in the news. Plus your pick for Week 12 tonight. And let's get into it, man. Do you know how old Rocky is in perspective? How old? When you really think about when we were a little, little kids. You were just a little boy. Back to the future, went back to the 50s. That felt

forever ago. Yeah. When you watched The Wizard of Oz, that was 1939. So if you were a kid in the 80s, that was 50 years ago. In two years, this right here, 50 years ago. 50 years old. But it's 48 today, debuted today in 1976, winning the Academy Award, putting Sylvester Stallone, absolutely on the map as the guy. Can you have to sell his dog? Buckus? Yeah, it's still bookus. That means a cuff and link must be at least 50, 60 years old at this point. That's crazy.

He still has those turtles. That's a fun fact. But it's a legendary movie. It's a love story, an underdog story. One of our favorite movies of all time. Absolutely. I love this. And you know what?

I know it moves slower from today's perspective now, but I watched it recently with my daughter and she loved it. So it still holds up. Yeah, still holds up. stood the test of time. It's a classic. And it got us thinking. With Sly in the News recently,

I think the whole Tyson fight was a fix. Absolutely. He deserves an Academy Award. Oscar winning performance. Iron Mike. Absolutely. He implied that he deserved an Academy Award for his performance. Slime the News and the anniversary today.

How do you rank the Rock? It's a forever debate. This is very telling. I think you'll learn a lot about someone based on how they rank the Rocky movies. And we all have our own order, right? Like no one's going to have the same exact order. It's like my theory on Tom Hanks movies. If you tell someone, give me your top four, your Mount Rushmore of Hanks.

No one's going to have the same four. I don't think anyone's going to have the same Rocky order. Because I think right out the gate, it's like snowflakes. And, uh, they're all different. And what? Women's, uh, yeah. Wow. So when you look at all the Rocky movies,

I'm not even going to include the Creed movies, but want to hear a fun fact? Yeah. The moneymaker this is. You put your glasses on to hear this fun fact? Yeah. Well, I'm trying to see, you know, the rankings here. So total cost to make all the Rockies and the Creed movie.

So that's nine overall blockbusters. $187 million, just shy of $2 billion. Wow. You're like, does a lot of money. And Stallone is in a rare category of multiple franchises between the expendables and Rambo and Rocky. Only few have done it as big as Sylvester Stallone. So we salute you on this day on the anniversary of its debut.

Was over the top of the franchise? Over the top was the most ridiculous movie when you think of the premise. Truck driver, that was an arm wrestler. And a little over the top. We all loved it, right? The arm wrestled to get custody of his kid. But the theory is this, guys. We all love the Rockies.

We love the Rocky franchise. We all got pumped as kids watching the movies, shadow boxing in our kitchen, in our socks sliding around. We all had that punching bag probably with Clubber laying on one side. Yeah. And Rocky on the other, right?

Italian, stallion, absolutely. But we all have different orders of appreciation. And mine is simple, so I'll go first. Oh, you know, age before beauty. There you go. To quote, uh, the old Rocky. Oh, you. might they're punching the nose.

Because some people need to learn the hard way. The Italian stallion. Rest and peace. Call Wethers. Now, let's go. I'm going with the OG. I know that's debatable, but you can't debate the original.

It's the best. It won the Academy Award. If there's no Rocky, there's no Rocky, two, three, four, five. I get it. I know that other people are going to be like, yeah, but the other one's better.

It's not. Now, this is the first. It's still great. right? It's the one people talk about, it's the one that goes down in the history books, all right? It led us to all these other ones. You can't beat the first one.

Rocky, the OG, Adrian, the red brain, all that stuff. Number one. My second favorite in the Rocky franchise, Rocky Four, soundtrack, Living in a Met,

I mean, there's no easy way out. They all have great soundtracks, right? Hearts on four. But just the craziness of it, the novelty of it. James Brown and Ivan Drago, it's the goofiest one probably, but the most entertaining. I view it as the Temple of Doom of the Rocky franchise, meaning Indiana Jones

the Temple of Doom might be the dumbest one, but it's the most entertaining. So Rocky 4 for me, everything he hits, he destroys. Dillia Sibia. Ivan Drago. Drago. And again, seeing that in the theater as a kid, For me, that's right there. It could be number one, but it can't be better than the original.

So it's number two. I got Rocky 2 at number 3 because it's great. Rocky 2 is arguably as good as the first one. So I got Rocky 2 next. I got Rocky 3 after that. Now, this is tough because they're all good. Rocky 3 was good. Yeah, yo, I got the poofy hair now.

I got like poofy hair. I'm fighting thunderlips and clubber lang. Oh, he insulted my wife. Absolutely no. Get with a real man. Yeah. So, I mean, and Mr. T was the bad. in the land at that time.

So Rocky 3 is next. Then I got Balboa because I thought Balboa was really good. Good movie. It is, you know, people didn't like the sad undertones of the movie, but I thought it was great. If you slept on it or you didn't like it,

I think you should watch it again. I really actually enjoyed Rocky Balboa. So I got this at five, and I have Rocky 5 at number 6 on my countdown. And I see that respectfully because I know everybody says it's the worst. and it is, but it's the worst of awesome movies. If you watch it again, the only real criticism is,

well, I don't like the storyline because he's down and out and poor. Well, whoopty-do, you didn't write the story. That's the life of Rocky. The arc of the arc of a lot of fighters, right? So you don't like it, big deal. But the criticism is he didn't fight in the ring. If he fought Tommy Gunn in the Ring, but it's still a good movie. No, I promise you, we'd all love it.

I watched it within the last couple years, And my big takeaway was, yeah, this isn't as shitty as I remember. But at the end, when he's in the street, like, go for it. It's not a corny. Like, yeah. No, Bell. Like, even that part's cool.

There's a scene where Mickey's giving him a motivational speech in black and white. How about when, here's the downside of it, too. When he thanked George Washington Duke instead of Rocky, like, it's not that bad. You got Tommy Morrison in it. Look, and you got to give credit to Stallone for always casting former athletes in all of his movies, even in the expendables.

He's known for doing that. And in this movie, you had Tommy Morrison, who was a legitimate contender, heavyweight division, right? He was a legitimate heavyweight fighter. And it was a good story, man. But in this story, and I'm not, well, I'm not saying he was punchy.

He had what you call it, like a relaxed brain or something. Yeah, he was a little slow. His brain was really relaxed. What happened? Ruggy. Yo, tell Santa would. Remember Uncle Paulie was Santa? It was the stupidest scene ever.

Yeah. But so I know it gets a lot of criticism. It's still last on my list, but it's not as bad as people say. My list, not terribly different than yours. Okay. You give Rocky One the top spot because it's Rocky. It's the OG Academy Award winner. I'm ranking this based on if I were flipping through the channels

or if I was on Netflix or Hulu and I'm like, what would I actually be like, you know what? I'll keep watching this because I have to tell you, Rocky One would not be the movie. in 2024 that I'd sit down and be like, I'll keep watching. I am a firm believer that Rocky 2 might be one of the most underrated films

of all time. There's extra training montages. When Adrian is in the hospital, Rocky, come here. You're like, what? If you don't want me to mix it up a Creed no more, we'll find another way. And what does she say? Just win? And then what does Mickey say? What are we waiting for? What do you see at every

stadium? That shit hits so hard. So I'm going Rocky 2, is number one for me. Did you notice that like Cobra Kai this season sort of paid homage to that scene a little bit? I did notice that.

I mean, if you haven't seen it, I don't want to spirl it for you. So I'm going, Rocky 2 is number one. And then by default, I have to put, yeah, look at the scene. Win.

What are we waiting for? I'll fucking cry right now. Played at every stadium to get the fans fired up. Look, all the montages are great. That's the best montage. Yeah, it's hard to rank. That's why everyone's going to have

a different list here. So I'm going Rocky 2 in the top spot. Just out of pure, you know, respect. I have to put Rocky 1, the original, in the number 2 spots. I'll go 2, 1. And of course, the most entertaining Rocky of all, 4.

Drago, you know, the Ropoli and his robot. And, you know, like going to Russia. Happy birthday, Polly. You know, training in the mountains. Trango's in the gym. Drago. So Rocky 4, most entertaining maybe of the whole series. And by the way,

that's when Stallone is the most slick and the most rich. So you love that as a kid. Because in, remember I said, Rocky 3, I had like poofy hair. I was getting a little cut. You know, I was getting in shape a little bit. By Rocky 4, he's so roided out and ripped and rich as a kid. You're like, oh, my God, this is great. Kvino, I think it's hard to really debate my order.

Two, one, four. Then I'm going three. As much as I'm a Hogan fan, he was my hero as a child. I thought the Thunder Lips thing was sort of cheesy. Clubber Lang was great, though. I loved how he lost. Mickey dies. Apollo trains Rocky.

There's a lot of good storyline in three. So hard to even say that's not a top three. But 214-3, Balboa underrated. And even though five's not as shitty as you remember. It's still the worst. It's still the worst. Of all these great movies. And you know what?

I'll give Michael B. Jordan and Stallone and everyone credit. I thought all three Creed movies, fantastic. Same. So if you don't have weekend plans after week 12 of the NFL, maybe you go back. watch these come up your own order again i'm rocky rocky four rocky two rocky three balboa and five two one four three belboa five that's rich's order what's yours hit us up at covino and rich at fox sports radio hashtag rocky movies can i tell you our tag over promised our regular update

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you get your podcasts. All right. Well, hey, there was records broken in the NBA. The NBA's back. I know a lot of people pumped about this. Well, this was a cool story. It also was a timestamp of, man, James Hardin's been in the league for a minute now. You've been doing it on a high level for a long time.

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It's like when you look at Jerry Rice compared to the other grades like Randy Moss, it's like how, what? That's how Steph Curry, like even the closest are not even close. So James Harden surpassed Ray Allen. for three point shots made. Any surprises on there? Kyle Corver, Assassin, number seven? It's pretty cool.

Reggie Miller. Still playing. He's on the list. Billard's still playing. He's on the list. Reggie Miller, obviously, you know,

he's on the list. LeBron James, just for longevity reasons. You know, he's there. But you're like, damn, James Harden passed Ray Allen. He now has 200975. Ray Allen had two,

nine, 773. And you're like, dang. Ray Allen came so close to 3,000, he'd be an elite company with Steph Curry. Mr. 3,000. Listen, there's a lot of people that come close to records or just benchmarks, and I know that bothers the hell out of a guy like Kavino. It bothers me because Ray Allen is one of the greats,

and he's known for his three-point shot, and he came so close. He came a half a season away, you know, of reaching 3,000. When you think about being a professional athlete, everyone's got those numbers on their mind, like 300 wins, 500 home runs, you know, so many touchdowns passing. They're legendary marks. And when you fall just shy, you might say, oh, who gives a shit? But it just looks funny.

As a fan and as a kid who collected baseball cards, you would see these stats. Like, oh, he's so close to 500. So that leads us to, based on the Ray Allen thing, and congrats to James Harden again at number two. falling short of milestones. So who comes to mind when you start thinking of people or athletes falling short of milestones? Listen, these athletes may genuinely say, who gives a shit? But as a fan, as fans, we're more critical than the player sometimes. So these are some of the people that we're thinking in the back of their mind,

they must say, man, I couldn't have played one more month? Or two more games. And by the way, you nailed it. Perfect segue, because the first one that comes to my mind, for me as a Yankees fan, as a baseball fan, is Alex Rodriguez. Now, keep in mind, he didn't play in 2014. He was suspended.

So season down the drain. In 2016, I still don't know how and why. He only played 65 games. He wasn't having his best season. He was maybe in a little hot water, right? So they just ended his career at 65 games. He ended up with 696 home runs. Four?

Four short. Home run shy of 700? Of 700. So look, I'm a fan. That would haunt to me. Alex Rodriguez, who lives for baseball, I don't know how he sleeps with that. You know, falling this short of a 700 home run milestone.

Again, being an elite company, he's so close to 700. He could have still played. He should have had well over 700. I mean, I don't know how many of those he was juiced up for, but still, he would have had 700. 696. There's a couple guys.

And I knew one of them. There's two guys that were stuck at 399 home runs. I know from baseball card collecting. Andreas Gala Raga, 399. You know, even with that altitude in Colorado, he couldn't pop out one more. All those Rockies were hitting bombs at that time. One more? Yeah, 399.

That sucks. One more home run. And you're like in a different conversation, a different category. So close at 399. and then a legendary ballplayer also finished at 399, even though 500 is like the Hall of Fame landmark. But still. You want that number, right?

Al K-Line of the Tigers ended at 399, legendary player for Detroit. And there's a legendary photo of him too, spot of him with like JFK in the background. Look at all the people in this photo. Al-Kline, LBJ, JFK, Jimmy Hoffa. Yeah, so that's a wild photo. That's cool.

On a throwback. Thursday. I got a couple of football ones. This is one that satisfies your OCD. Okay. John L.A. Exactly 300 career touchdowns. Like that's, I mean, like anyone out with two Super Bowls back to back?

I mean, talk about the best way to end your career. This guy did it perfectly. John, they should call this guy the finisher. Right. I mean, 300 career. There's dudes that are labeled Mr. Almost, a la Mike Musina, right? who came so close to so many milestones. Then there's guys like Elway who just did it so perfectly.

Man, it's good to be Elway in this conversation. I'm bringing this guy up because I know he still got gas in the tank, even though they stink the Jets. Aaron Rogers currently has 492 tuddies. Oh my goodness. He needs eight. I'm not wishing bad on Aaron Rogers. Eight for eight.

But I mean, who's to say he gets there? I mean, if he plays one more year for sure. but the Jets are struggling. It's not like this guy's doing his old school, Aaron Rogers, three tutties a game. Like, go on. Oh, man, that's got to eat him up. I mean, he plans on continue.

I mean, we don't know, not at this rate. But, yeah, $4.92 for Rogers. And, of course, I know you wanted to bring up Warren Moon. Kobe's got 17 now. So with that said, he'll get over 500 just at this pace this year. But imagine, God forbid, he got a little banged up and he doesn't come back. Oh, oh. So again, falling short of milestones.

Warren Moon. Yeah, listen, he played in the Canadian football league, the CFL. He's a legend, Hallfamer. But he's like one game, he's two games shy of 50,000 yards. He's got 49,325 yards. So, yeah, when you combine his Canadian career, his professional career, the guy's done it all. But still, 49 and change. And then almost 50,000 yards.

So close. I got one that. I didn't tell you this. Yeah. But there are four guys that you know. Okay. Lifetime average in Major League Baseball? $2.99.

Oh, that's the world. Now, this is an active player, Mike Trout, has an opportunity to change that. So cross Trout off. Okay. Three guys that are done that wrapped it up. Like great MLB careers, but their stat line, $2.99. Which is, again, $3.99 in today's world, right? In today's world, that was fantastic, but still one point away from 300.

$2.99? Yeah. Dustin Prodrea. Oh, wow. Because he had a couple bad seasons at the very end that pulled it down. Or his big poppy. What did Big Poppy call him? He called him something else, remember?

He's like, why didn't call you Dustin? I call me he. He's like, that's my name. Bad Holiday. $2.99. Oh, man. And another, we talked about the Rockies before? man, the Rockies.

Dante Bichette, $2.99. Imagine that. You're like, man, have I dropped in three more bloop singles? And of course, the number one name that comes to mind when you think of falling short of milestones is Stan Ross, aka Bernie Mac as Mr. 3,000 because he was known as Mr. 3,000.

And then they realized, oops, there was a clerical error. he ended up with 2,997 hits, came back to the Biggs at 47, only to get two more hits ending at 2,999. Of all the sports movies we've watched. I've never seen it. Of all the major leagues and field of dreams and you name it,

all the great movies. Slapshot. We take something in America. I've never seen that movie. Neither one of us. Maybe that's our weekend watching. But the premise was always interesting. Mr. 3,000?

Yeah, I wasn't sure if he ended up with 3,000. But no, he was known as Mr. 3,000, came back. And then the story is he fell in love with the game all over again as an older guy. And he had a chance to get 3,000 hits, and he lays down a sacrifice bun or something for the team. Well, now you gave me the premise. Now I don't have to watch. I mean, it's old as hell. But West and Peace, Bernie Mac, aka Stan Ross, Mr. 3,000, just one hit shy of regaining the title of Mr.

3,000. Before you get out of here, tonight, some Thursday night football about to start up. So if you want a last minute wager. Okay. Draft King's Sportsbook Code C.R. show. I got a teaser that I'm not in love with, but then again, sometimes the ones I'm not in love with are the ones that hit easy. I know you think the Steelers, like you said earlier today on Fox, you can't see how they lose to the Browns. I don't see that happening. Short week, travel, everything.

These Thursday night games are all this screwy, as my dad would say. I mean, you never know what you're going to get. Thursday is, you know, depends on the coaching, the travel. There's so many things involved, the visual game. The Browns are three and a half point underdogs. Make the Browns a nine and a half point underdog. They're not scoring a lot. I don't think the Steelers' offenses lighten it up.

It's more about their defense. So I like the Browns plus nine and a half under 42. The over under in this game, Kavino is only 36.5. So I'm even, I'm going up and picking the under. I feel like this game You know what this game has written all over? 1610, 16, 13, 13, 10. This is Russell Wilson's time to shine.

What do you think? A little Thursday night game. He wants to light it up tonight. No, low scoring shitty game. Low scoring shitty game. And you're going to be like, man, Richie's right. 1610. Steelers.

And then you cover your bed. All right. I like it. I like it. So enjoy week 12, your Thursday night football. And of course, to Sakai, to Kai. Enjoy that this weekend. Perfect. We'll see you then. Arriva D'erchi, baby. See you in the

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