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Episode Date: July 13, 2025

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All right, Roy, we're back for another episode of Rory and all don't know ball. The one I was excited the most about. Yeah, this is one of the guests that we was looking forward to. Been wanting to talk with him for a while now. I've been a big fan of this guy. So he's here today to kind of give us more of an insight. on ball, we need all of our

ball play the friends. Fuck this intro. I know we try to talk about sports on this. Let's get to the motherfucking mess. We are joined. What have you been doing

on the timeline the last 48 hours? You start in trouble, man. Usually we try to talk about sports. Nah, what's going on, man? What's so with this

Ryan Clark RG3 thing, man? What's going on, man? You up there in one of my favorite tweeters of all time. Nah, I mean,

to be honest, right? I'm not like a real like social media type of savvy dude like that. So I'll be noticing like you'll see players in the media or not in the media and like if something going on, they can't wait to jump on it to get a reaction for people. The same dudes that like, they'll say something, right? And then they're looking at the views

and the likes every 15 minutes. I never was like that. I always just organic. If I see someone I don't like, I'll speak on it. So when I watch these two dudes, I'm like, yo, you're the same guy. You know what I mean? It's like, yeah. One dude is probably a little more cornered than the other one, That's the same conversation? Like, what we're talking about? The same conversation. Maul, can you give our listeners some backstory of what is happening on the timeline? So we said fuck the intro.

I want to get right to it. So, so Ryan Clark, he was being outspoken about the whole RG3 take on the whole Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark situation. A lot of people have turned it into something, you know, like racial and things to that nature. So Ryan Clark had something to say to RG3. and Lashon had something to say to both of those gentlemen today. He tweeted he didn't say no names, but he just kind of alluded to two guys that were having a back and forth.

And just respect to all parties, but how did RG3 and Ryan Clark start beefing about Angel Street? So RG3 is the type of dude. Anytime it's something going on, like, oh, I'm going on, and try to get some views out of it. There's a lot of people like that, bro. Y'all know people like that. That's the nature now.

Right. So I think a lot of times when dudes don't really have no real, like, legacy or a story to really talk about or who they are, they run to that type of stuff. And some of it works, so I'm not mad at it. Anyway, he's making like, okay, you know, the Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. Now, everybody knows some tension there, obviously, right? And in all sports, you need a racial component to blow up the sport. Like, let's just be honest. Basketball the same way.

Magic and Bird was kind of that, yeah. Come on, man. But you look at like Katelyn Clark, I think she's a phenomenal player. And respectfully, I don't think that her, Angel Reese are on the same level basketball wise, but Angie Reese, he holds her own and she's good on her own, right? I just think that like it is a race component. And when you look at the WNBA, like, there was better girls before Caitlin Clark and there was better girls before injuries.

But when you have two elite girls in college and they have the race component, it makes everybody watch. Now, everybody's watching at WMBA. You get what I'm saying? So he spoke on that, and he made it by all this other stuff. And R2.3 gets crazy with it. Like, he always brings his white wife and all this extras. It's uncomfortable a little bit.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And then Ryan, and the one thing that Ryan did do that I did respect is, you know, he has a voice in the platform. So he likes to, you know, speak up for the black women, which a lot of people don't. So I respect that part, right? I respect that. We're going to protect our women, right?

Because they want to make Andrews like this angry black girl. and all that. Right. You know what that girl been through. She's from Baltimore, so I respect it. Right.

But my thing is like... She's not even angry. Yeah, no, but I'm saying that's the nearest they want to paint. Yeah. Well, my thing with the Ryan's like, yo,

you bring the dude's wife up in it? Like, what are we talking about? Because somebody else, if you mention a wife, you're not going to do that with them. Right. Arj and 3's the kind of what he is so you can really play that game with him.

Yeah. And also, like, like, he always trying to look for a way to, like, have attention. I remember way back in a day, We had the NBA, NFL lockout, right? That means we ain't playing no sports in two. We get an agreement with the owners and the players.

He gets a video of him going to the Steelers facility in the doors is locked. I'm thinking like, what type of PR? What is that? I just don't like, is it so court to me? I can't even really. Yeah. But everybody's different. I can't really, you know.

Yeah. No, that is. But I mean, I understand, you know, well, I don't understand the, the angel. Reese, Caitlin Clark thing. I think that obviously two women that came in together coming from college, they obviously elevated the sport as far as, you know, the national attention

when they were in college. Caitlin Clark, phenomenal player. Angel Reese and LSU did. Was amazing. And now they kind of parlayed that over into the pro level. But, you know, I don't think that the last thing that happened between them when Angel

got a technical file or Caitlin got a technical, whatever it was. Caitlin Clark didn't even foul her that hard. Like she just, she swiped down at the ball. They're trying to say she pushed her. She didn't push it. She swiped down. Now, Angel Reese pushed her teammate first and Kaylon Clark was telling the ref, like, yo, you don't see that.

And then Angel would have had a wide open layup and Kayeline Clark just filed a swipe down at the ball and filed her. Now it's turned into something like, you know, it's a regular foul. It was a regular comment. But also, Angel Reese's response was a regular professional athlete reply as well. Like, everything was. My thing is like, yo, as an athlete, right, I can't tell. Y'all can't tell me. I can't tell her how you should feel somebody at a certain way.

And the other thing is, now, you know I don't even rock with you like that. You don't, you don't put, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And it's like, we got to look at women, like, they are athletes too. So if just the NBA, it won't be no issue. Right. You know what I mean? Right.

So if she felt like she hit her or fought her a certain way, I can't tell her she wrong for that. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I can't say that. So you think the white wife was the one behind all of this madness? I asked the question. Mall didn't.

I just, I don't know, I don't know who's just laughing. We're just looking at them. Like, they both trying to fight for a tend to. So it's like they're the same guy just one dude's a little bit more extra. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I probably want to hit it like that. I want to brought his white wife into it. Like, that was a little too much.

Yeah, that was a little. But I think what Ryan was. was trying to say is like, you know, what he said it. He was like, you don't understand black women because you're married to a white woman or something like that that I think he said. I'm just agree with that because, yo, you had a white baby mama. Like, what, we...

Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying? Yeah, doesn't RG3 have family that part? It's like, you try to hard and get this... Another thing is, these dudes don't really, really come from culture. So, like, you're trying to get it so much that you just say anything. We're like, yo, you got a white baby mom. It's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I just think that it's just all for

clicks and, you know, viewers. That's what it is, bro. See what you know what it's for. Yeah, yeah. A lot of that is definitely, it's performative stuff just to get people riled up. But, I mean, that happens to all of us in this space. We end up coming off hypocritical a lot of times because when we have that focus of like, let's try to get clicks or whatever, we contradict a bunch of shit that was already

recorded and everyone knows about us. Because Ryan Clark, was Andrew Schultz the one that talked to Ryan Clark about the, hey, you've had women beat her on your show a bunch of times? Why are you even getting in the mix on this? Like this happens This is not natural or normal That we have to think of every thought Every day to record and put out

Because we're gonna be caught in some type of hypocritical bullshit Because we speak every fucking day Right So I mean I get it But But if you If you being organic and just honest to who you is Yeah

I don't think we're having that problem And everything's in 100% But like yo if I believe everything I say And I'm doing everything from a genuine place I don't think you can never be wrong I'm speaking in general. Forgetting that the race of your baby mother is a little crazy, but I'm just speaking to general.

How the fuck you forget you got a white baby mom? Yeah, I'm saying? You're talking about I'm so culture, but, yo, that's one thing that drives me crazy when dudes be doing all this black pyre, and I'm for my people to culture, but then the whole time, you're only day white girls. I'm like, yo. And there's nothing wrong with that, but just don't be, don't do all that.

This be normal. Yeah, just fall back. When it comes to that type of conversation, just fade into the background a little bit. You run around, you're like you Malcolm Mex and all that, but then the whole time he's trying to like, come on, dog. Thank God I don't touch white woman. With that, moving on to the next. I'm sorry, it's been a long day.

Where are you at with this Joey Badass, Daylight, Ray Vaughn? Have you been paying attention to the battle at all? No, I like Joey Badass, so I think he's talented. I don't get the whole Kendrick drink. That was like, I didn't really get all that. like he's trying to come at Kendrick I'm trying to figure out like

why? Yeah. I mean he's shooting at what would be deemed the biggest rapper right now especially after 2024 like you're not supposed to shoot at the best rapper

he's got to deal with the entire West Coast on his way there but I think he's proved that Kendrick may need to come outside he just ran through all his homies Paul. So you think I'm going to get this straight

So A rapper I have no real resume And I like Joey though So hear me out I think a dope actor And he's a dope lyricist I like rap

Right Now that everything's mumbling And all catchy I like rap So I like him But Like I'm just thinking Like if I'm Kendry

Like there's something The game From going against Jake Cole Going against Drake The people look at them As my peers Like oh we're on the same level Let me show y'all

But like You gotta really earn that right It's like I don't know who you think The best NFL player but like, Patrick Mahomes ain't about the answer to every dude that could bring, you know what I'm saying? I agree with you, but how this whole thing played out, like where Kendrick, after the Drake battle, it was all West Coast, West Coast. Look what we did. We had the greatest year ever. We're all unified.

It's West Coast. Joey said one bar about the West Coast, and all of every last rapper in L.A. started replying to Joey, and it became this West Coast unity shit, and he ran through everybody. So Kendrick needs to defend his coast. No, he don't, bro. Is this like, is this like, yo, how do I, this hear me out, how do I go from destroying Drake, Drake we're talking about in the rap battle? Now you want me to go give you, it just don't even, you know what I mean? Now I'm going to go get Joey.

I just, we could disagree. I just don't. I feel like if you smoked all my friends, I got to step in as the big homie and be like, all right, fine. I'll talk about. He earned that right because he ran through everybody. No, but LaShawn is saying it's still, though, it's a certain, who did he run through? There's certain tiers.

There's like 15 people from the West Coast that apply. If I'm on the first tier and you run through all of the guys on the third and fourth tiers, you can't start yelling my name. After you have the fucking Super Bowl parade party, everything of winning the entire 2024 year, the West Coast is the greatest shit of all time. And one rapper runs through everybody that even said a. name or word about him. Yeah, that that warrants some type of reverence to me. If you did a poll, right, I get two things that I'm done with it. You did a poll when like, yo, if you just ask like, do people know Joey Badass as a, as like a rapper, rapper,

or like the cat that's on Canaan? Most people, you know what I'm saying? So it's like if Kendrick, I'm on tour, I'm everywhere. You can't, like, I'm everywhere, bro. They don't mean, it don't make sense. There's more to lose than gain. And the second thing is, I think like all the best. rap battles. Like, Hove was going at gnaz and giving real bars and songs. He's going to get prodigy a bar.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, this thing about what I'm saying, like, you ain't about to do all that to do that. Yeah. That's backwards. To that point, I feel like Hove, even if it was subliminally,

replied to literally everybody. He was replying to PD crack. He was applying to our former, Oh, no. At some point, Kendrick, he's going to respond. But it ain't going to be a home. You're going to act like the biggest rapist. It's not going to be a song tailored specifically for Joey,

but it's going to be some bars in there where he's going to address him. Like, yeah, I heard you calling my name, fam. Like, you know, like, he's not going to dedicate a whole moment to Joey badass though. He's not going to do that. And I look at a little, even like, y'all, y'all, y'all doing your thing. You got a, you got a good thing going on, you know what I mean? And imagine like a smaller pocket trying to call it. It's like, I ain't about to even think about it.

Like, I'm going to waste my time to dress the mind that's underneath us. Yeah. It just don't even really add up. Some days you want to be petty, though. Some days you want to be petty and address everybody, though. Some days. But that's bad for business.

You can't do that. You can't do that, though. That's bad for business. It's better for the community. Sometimes you have to humble people and let them know, like, I see you get a little too big for your bridge. Like, let me just put things in perspective for you.

Yeah. And just give them half a bar. Yeah. And then leave. If he gave Joey what he want, right, and he answered back, now every little or every guy is trying to get up there was going to do that.

You know what I'm going to answer. Absolutely. I'm not going to answer to. Every guy I got my name and name out. Yeah, no, he can't do that. But I think in the beginning when Joey was trying to do it, I was on the same side as you. I just think he's proven himself this week that's warranted a different type of notice. A little bit more of attention instead of any guy just saying Kendrick name.

Who the biggest in your mind right now? Like today, who the biggest artist? I still think the big three, Cole, Kendrick, and Drake are still the three biggest rap artists. Oh, we had a whole beef in the rap. One of the best I like Jay Cole, he tapped out. He said this is not for me, I'm tapping. Then the other one that's even the biggest one, I took down.

What I would I? You know what I'm saying? Well, it's funny. We had this conversation a few weeks ago when I asked Moore. I said, Dickendrick put himself in a position that he never has to reply to anybody for the rest of his life. Put it what it is, though. Put into what it is, I think. But who else? There's never, there's no superstars on the horizon. So I think

this current moment is the only thing Kendrick would have to reply to. Nobody behind us right now that we can see as of this moment is a rap superstar. I feel like that's kind of dead and going right now. Yeah, but I mean, but more of respect, if he earns my respect,

because there's some dude that got respect that you probably would answer to, you know, that you probably would answer to, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. But it would have to be a legend, and I don't think they're doing that either. Nah, the legends ain't coming outside. Yeah, they're raising their kids and podcasting. Lashana, let's talk about your transition.

Obviously, you've done, you know, major things on the field, two-time Super Bowl champion, all pro. The list goes on. When did you know or when did you start thinking about your transition into TV? So when I came in the league, I was so like, I had like a chip on my shoulder, right? I feel like I wasn't drafted where I was just putting drafted at. You know what I mean? So I always like driving to be the best, be the best. So I'll start getting all these different accolades.

And I start getting a lot of contracts. So, you know, you go from making, I don't know, 400, 300,000 dollars a week, right? And you, you know, you spend it, you see how it's moving. And then they go from 300, 400 grand to like, okay, 100 grand. All right, okay, okay. All right. Now we have 80,000 a week. Now we have 60.

I'm like, whoa. So I started seeing that whole thing happen, you know. And then I didn't like how. maybe I don't know if it's ego or whatever, but my roles was changing. And I'm like, yo, man, you got me playing behind this dude. I'm better than him because he's younger than me. I'm better than this dude. And that's not how the league works.

The league is a young man's sport. Unless you win in championships, they're not really keeping an older dude. So I was like, okay. So I said, well, I got to do something else. So I always thought that I would do good on TV because I'd like to talk. It's easy to me. You know what I mean? I can relate to a lot of different players.

So I knew I would do that. And then kind of got into the real estate game, probably like, maybe like year nine, you know, buying up small little properties, fixing them up, you know, getting returns on them. And I started doing like little apartments. Yeah, I mean, I see how that was going. So I'm like, damn, if I could just go to all the cities

that I like to hang out at and start owning apartments, I could hang out and I can be begging money. Right. So then I started doing like big developments, like ground up. So right now I just finished in my hometown Harrisburg. It's like an hour for Philadelphia. a $17 million 50 unit apartments. You know what I mean?

So that's like the new thing I'm doing on the side. You know, where now I don't have to work with like a million different tenants. It's all brand new, so nothing should really be breaking. You know what I mean? Everything is there. So,

and I was getting a lot of hassos from like doing the smaller things. You know, people, it's broke. You know what I mean? They're calling you. Everybody got a plan. Yeah. Everybody got a plan. Yeah.

So that's all I got to that market. And then after that, I start doing the podcast. Me and my brother, Deshaun Jackson, you know what I mean? And it started getting bigger and better. So that's how I really transition. You know, there's no real, like, me and you to tell you, yo, when you retire, this is what you do. That's why a lot of guys go broke because you make a million off, you know, yearly.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And, like, you playing a sport that's not really your job. You love it. Right. And then when you're done, there's nobody to say, yo, this is what you do. Mm-hmm. You know, so I just had a good supporting cash around.

And that's kind of I got to where I'm at today. Yeah, because that's got to be tough. Like the average person probably retires at 65, 66, whatever. Professional athletes, some of y'all be retiring at 28. Like, life is short, but life is long as fuck. And now it's like, all right, everything I've known for the last 28 years is done. Where do I go from here? And money can drive quick.

So I feel for a lot of professional athletes, especially NFL athletes, because y'all retire quicker than MLB, NBA, because it's more of a tough game. How do you feel that the politics are, similar in NFL organizations and the TV world? The politics. So there's a lot of times with dudes, man, Davies, they'll get on TV and they'll change who they are just to make the bosses happy or to, you know, continue to get paid because they got a family, you know what I mean? So it's a tricky situation like, yo, you ain't being rare or where I play with you.

You ain't even act like that. But now I'm not a player no more. And I'm trying to remain employed, getting my money. And I think also in football It ain't always the best player that plays You know what I mean? Like just sometimes when you a coach He'll keep a job for 30 years And it's like how does he didn't get his he's not even that smart

He might his dad might a coach He knows that coach he hires you Yeah, ladieships Everybody's buddy buddy And I think sometimes you be so wrapped up in yo The best player should win and play And the best TV personality should play or she should be on TV, it don't always happen like that.

I think the relationships is what really wins. Yeah. How do you feel about sports debate culture? Like, you see a lot of these shows that come out is based around guys' debate. And it's something that we all do growing up in the barbershop, you know, whose favorite player, whose favorite team. Now that they've been able to kind of carve this lane

in the sports television world where it's all debate-based. How do you feel about the debate culture on TV. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of dying down a little bit. I think the last real debates we had was like Skip and Shannon Sharp. You know what I mean? But I do like it because, you know, nowadays, like the culture is now accepted in the corporate world, right?

Like, we talk about Kenshal Lamar. Kenshal Lamar's on everything. And if you listen to when you're rapping about it, ain't just going in college. Right. And everybody is whites, blacks, everybody's being acceptable to it. So now when you get into these conversational TV, sometimes it may come off like it is in a barbershop, but it's authentic.

And I think the best thing about TV now is with these different, like, platforms of like podcasts and all that, is letting the people really see like, okay, I don't want the corporate take. Give me the real take. You know, and now it's like you letting players really speak on it. Because back in the day, yo, you know, I had a chance to interview Carvey Irvin about this. And it was like, I'd rather give my real take and real feelings and thoughts to people that was in my seats.

If it was football or bass, whatever it may be. But stuff that we both can understand compared to going to the old media and letting them tell my story because they didn't really know. You know what you're saying? That you're going to tell me what you think, how it is, and you never even really played. You never was in the locker. You never let a player deliver that message because, you know, you know, you know, you know what you're going to be. he might have a better way to explain to the viewers because he played and et cetera.

Does that make sense? Yeah, no, sure. I feel like the, you know, the inception of first take when it was Skip and Stephen A was, damn it at the height of your career. Did you tune in and, like, did that ever affect your mental watching that in the morning before going to practice or before going to a game?

Good question. So I always like, I was type of dude, because my dad was kind of tough on me. So I always like, you know, Heron is good and the bad. You know what I'm saying? Some dudes love to hear all the good. I want her in, oh, you think I'm not like that.

Okay, back. And to give you something to fuel the fire with, you know, but sometimes, though, I just look at, like, certain people that would argue about me. So I'll give you an example, like, if some of those you see on hair, man, they ate 400 pounds, dog, and like, and you're telling me how LeBron ain't that good or ain't that? I'm just looking like, yo, how can you say that? Right. You know what I mean?

So it never really affected me. I remember my first lesson was I remember when I got in the locker room in and this is, we had Brian Westbrook who was phenomenal. I was a rookie and it was like, yo, like you letting Westbrook go for LaShaquo.

Who's this dude? Like he got a little, one of the reporters said I had a little boy body. Right? He don't know where I'm from. I said, yo, when I go in his locker room, I'm going to take the paper

and I'm going to let him have it. Yeah. Right? So I'm on ready. It's like 6 o'clock. I can't wait the scene. It turned like 8 o'clock. The media comes.

come to locker. I go right to him. I never seen him before. Yeah. And then when I get to him, he got some thick-ass glasses, big-ass stomach. Yeah. I say, fam, I can't get mad at you. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You don't know what a real running back look like. Yeah, yeah. That's my first lesson. So it's like, I never really let them dudes kind of like dictate who I am. But I think sometimes like when ex-player or certain dudes that really study the game would talk about me. Like, like, they give Skip a hard time. This is what I will say about Skip. Everything Skip says he believes it.

Like he's going to do a million research on it. He's going to... So, you don't have to play sports to know it. But if you really dedicated and you research it, you're going to know about it. So that's why somebody like him, I don't respect what you say, because it might not be what I wanted to hear, but there's some truth is something he's saying.

Yeah. Does that make sense? Because he's studying and he's really researching it. Yeah, Skip probably still think Tebow is better than Lamar Jackson. I'm sure he's still down on that T-bow. But his, We're just waiting for Tebow first ballot Halloween.

He's like, yo, Tiwo wins. We got, you know what I'm saying? I never have a talented quarterback debate with you because that's not, but somebody, he wins, he finds him, he going to believe that bullshit. Yeah. He definitely will believe that. Did you keep that in mind, like going into the podcast and TV, et cetera, to be a little bit more empathetic with athletes and maybe, even if they're having a down year or like a few games?

Do you keep that in the back of your mind because you know what it feels like when somebody else is critiquing you when you're mid-season? Now, I struggled with the TV and podcasts because I was good on TV so early that they got me a spot. You know what I mean? And like, I didn't have my road training. So when I see cat that ain't that good, motherfuck ain't that good on. He trashed. You know what I'm a player.

I didn't realize that I can't say how in the locker room we said. And the hard thing with me was like, I don't care what money you make. I don't because nobody in the locker care about that. How good are you? So when I would say different things, I would have people's, you know, cousins, family approached me. And they were like, yo, why you, I don't know, hold on, man.

Why your cousin, we'll make your cousin good. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't learn how to say different things because sometimes I was like, you could come off a certain way. Like, I give you example. But one of the chiefs, right?

My last year was with them. And I played with a lot of, they're good players. I played with a lot of them. I know them. And one of their teammates wasn't hono up. And it was a bargain. So I'm calling him out on the pod

And then one of my main man's like, yo Dang too far or shady yo Damn, get cutting some slack Now my job is to keep it as real as possible Right But my relationship with you was like You my man I don't wanna

So I say look man I'm gonna try to be as fair You get I'm saying So maybe my 100% Opinion on this dude Is he ain't that good Maybe I can say in a different light Where I'm being more respectful

That's the word That's what more respect You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you probably deal with that too, though.

Oh, no, constantly. 100%. And I'm glad you went into that because it, there is a thing that you have to do when you're talking about either former teammates or colleagues and people that you have a real connection and relationship with.

You don't want to be as or come across as harsh to guys that, you know, you really kick it with on a real life in real life situations. As somebody that you're just watching the game, I never met this kid yet. but you know he got a lot of upside to him so you might be a little harsh on him versus the guy that you was actually

you know in the trenches with and he's still playing you don't want to go at him because that's my man for real like in real life so it's kind of hard to keep it real but you got to find a way to be objective be honest but you have to find that little gray area was like

that's my man I ain't going to go too hard on him but see the thing is I don't what I'd be telling to do I'm like yo like this is my job now you know what I mean so Yeah. Like, I had a problem with what? I'm going to say a problem, but James Hart and his homies had an issue

with something I said. Mm-hmm. And I say, yo, man, like, I know you don't know me. I don't know you. We know a lot of the same people. So that'll tell you how I get down. I'm just like, yo.

Yeah. If you play better, I'll talk about you better. Right. So we said, yo, if you ask you something about James and I'll say, yo, one of the greatest talents we've ever seen. Mm-hmm. But if we're talking about, like, till day. Yeah.

I say, well, bro, it's documented that every time it's like a elimination game or game in line, like you just don't even deliver it. You disappear. You want me to say about you. Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Think about that what I'm saying, though. Yeah, yeah.

You got to be honest in that moment. But it's like, what do you? Yeah, it's a notorious thing. Yeah. Yeah. You go, 30 points you can't stop. Yeah. And they don't want to hear that.

But you can't keep disappearing in the playoffs and don't think that we're not going to say you keep disappearing in the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. And that's interesting. Let me ask you because we deal more in the music world and we've been approached by artists, even that we consider associates or friends. Artists are sensitive. Like that just comes with the territory.

Do you think athletes are just as sensitive? Oh, my God. Yeah. Because we, I mean, we, again, this is don't know ball. We don't talk sports that much. We talk music. And we, for the last 10 years, have had to deal with friends, associates, artists all the time, being super sensitive. When we weren't even being disrespectful, called anybody out of their name, art is meant to be critiqued.

So we critiqued it. That's it. But I always kind of put that sensitivity just to artists. I never even thought that athletes could be that sensitive based off. Oh my God. Yeah, I think I'm more sensitive. I think we have a longer, like, we're successful longer. Let me just bring it down.

So most athletes, they've been good since they've been like five years old. Yeah. They've been their favorites. Okay, they get to high school. They're nice still. Then they go college. Local stars, yeah. Well, I feel like rappers, the rappers that I know, like, they may.

be rapping then somehow they look out for them and then they get a chance then they blow but ball players they've been good forever though yeah that's interesting yeah i never thought of that you know what i mean so like we got egos you know what i'm saying so like everything's competitive in sports so i think we are super sensitive like yeah bro you should be because even in rap i feel like like a player that's not that good in the NFL yo he used to be the man somewhere yeah you can go back For his city, he's a man. Like, you can't tell. He went to his college.

He was the shit. Yeah. And you get to the pro. It's like, yeah, he's the third string, man. Watch up. Yeah. So we got egos. We stay sensitive.

Even to this day, it'll be times where, you know, I'll meet somebody or whatever. And they'll give me respect because stuff I didn't feel, but it'd be real dry. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh, okay, he's, he's, he might have said something. Yeah. So I'll ask, I say, yo, man, I said, we got an issue. Like, I, I'll finish you or something like that. Yeah.

Because I want to get out the way because most people that rock me, they like me. I got that type of person, you can rock with me. So why we got a problem about, dog? Right, right. And back to that sensitivity and back to the debate pundit shows, when you were playing, was it ever awkward in the locker room when one of your teammates got cooked on first take? And it's just the elephant in the room. No one's saying shit, but everybody saw all their critiques.

And you already know he's feeling away. Is that a thing in the locker room? Do y'all talk about what's... Going on with ESPN, Fox, etc. No, no, no, no. We, like, don't people don't, they don't have no effect over the team. We have a team, you know what I mean? It's us against them.

So, yeah, you had a bad game, but you're my man. You're my brother. Like, well, I don't care what they say. But there's times where I've had one time where one of my teammates was, you know, he got caught calling Black's niggas. Raleigh Cooper, remember that situation? Yeah, yeah. And that was the only awkward time, I was like, yo, like,

because this is my man for real. Yeah, yeah. I know I heard what he said. I only believe that. He made him mad, but it's like, you did say that. Then, like, the league is full of blacks. I mean, though, this is we all, we everywhere. Right.

So that was real awkward. What was that, what was that conversation like with him knowing the locker room? Yeah, so, so what they did was they kept him away from all of us. So really? Couldn't, like, holl at him, you know what I mean? But then we had, you know, Mike, Vic is everybody's OG. Yeah. And Vic was like, he said, he had a team meeting.

He said, look, man, what he did was wrong. And I ain't for that shit either. He said, but I've done a lot of things that I'm sorry for. You know what I'm saying that I did that I didn't really mean to do. And he was like, you know, we all have done stuff or said things behind closed doors that ain't right. And when he kind of did all that because it's who he is and the respect we gave him, we was like, well, shit, we're going to give him a pass. You know what I mean?

So, but it was awkward because now he gets a pass. You got a block for him. Or win a game, right? It's, and you know, now every game we play, everybody's trying to do some dirty to him. And it's like, I get why they want to hurt him, but it's like, yo, this is our man. Yeah. Now, that was real awkward. Wow.

Yeah, that's tough. I got a block for you and you just said what you just said. It's like, that was tough. That was, I don't know everyone playing certain games alone. You know, because it's football dirty. They punch them in the pile. Yeah, yeah. Grab some of like nuts.

Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? And they're like, you know, they face man, trying to rip their eyes out. Mm-hmm. But I got to protect me because, because you. He's my man. Right.

And I do love to hear that about Michael Vick, because he always got the rap that he was, especially in Philly. That he wasn't a good leader. And he could, like, that's great to even hear that Vic was taking on that type of role. Like,

what was his years like with Michael Vick, to me is like a superhero? Like, what was it like even being in the same locker room with him? Yeah, look, I got in the league at 20 years old. I was the youngest playing the league.

So Mike, he did his little bit. He came home. Right. He had the Eagles. And I remember he, He walking into the facility, whatever. And I say, yo, what's up, yo?

Stradie Mooker, what's up? Yeah, what's up? It was good. All right. And then he walked out. I'm like, oh, shit. You know what I mean? I didn't have to have to see that.

I remember just talked to all my homies. Like, yo, dog. I can't say, yo dog, but yeah. Oh, yeah, right, right. Well, yeah, Vic was, he was special. He was like, you know what the thing with Vic is? He don't even understand how. how big he is.

Like, he don't really see who we... Icon. We're in the club. You got Air Force and a headband. We're like, yo, you... Like, you want to even get it. Super humble. You don't even know who you are.

Like, do you know who you are? Yeah, like, take them jeans off. Put some real... Like, you Vic. Yeah. He was super humble, bro. One of the best teammates. He's one of the...

He's better person. He's a player, bro. Vick is different. What was it? What was that time like for you in Philly? Because, I mean, the city of Philly, Philadelphia to this day, you know, they love you. Your time in Philly, what you did for the Eagles is legendary.

What was it like that energy during your time in Philadelphia, like just the fans, the city, the team, the organization? What was that time like for you? Oh, man, Philly was special. You know, it really helped me grow to be like a man. You know what I'm saying? I was 20 years old. Oh, man, that's such a big city.

You don't know what they expect. The fans was great. The fans always keep you honest, you know what I'm saying? I just got inducted to the Eagles Hall of Fame Congrats on that. And just saying how the fans embrace me, man, you just love.

And I feel like as a, as like a, that's the closest thing to have like a real family in the NFL. Because NFL is always like in and out, like revolving door. Guys come in and guys come out. But the Eagles fan base and the ownership and all that, like they really make you feel like a real family. Like there's times where I talk to the, owner all the time. You know what I mean? I'm honed to

players like trying to get Sequan to come to Philly like I was trying to do that trying to help out. And most teams don't really do that. They don't really even care. You know what I mean? So that was special man playing with Deshawn and Jeremy Macklin and all them dudes. You know, we still tight to this day. So I love

my time in Philly, you know, and the fan base. So. And shout out to DeShallon. He got the head coach in Delaware State, right? Yeah. Shout out to Deshawn Jackson on that. I love Dell State. Yeah. For other reasons. Yeah, do, dumb. Classic.

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Oakland Raiders, you know, before they went to Vegas, that was always the stereotype. I don't know if there's a bigger group of animals than the Philadelphia Eagles fan base. I have friends that are Eagles fans. They're great people individually,

but when they get together, they're the worst group of human beings I've ever seen in my life. You know there's a riot police section at the Eagle Stadium. That's only in Philly. That's not in any other stadium. There's no riot police. You know, they had a jail in there.

Yes. No, there's a jail in the stadium. Yeah. No, I would rate Philly fans probably one. One, yeah, I don't think it's close. I don't think it's close to all. They travel, we ain't for no bull crap. You know what I mean?

And I like them because, you know why? If the team playing bad, they're going to let you know. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're paying money to be watching these games. Like, and they'll let you know that. And I love that for that because they're honest. You know what I'm saying? And they ain't for the bull crap.

Don't we come up here, but you little cowboy jerse is all the talk to shit. Yeah. You might not leave with your jersey on. You know what's the fact? Yeah. What was the music like in the locker room with y'all? Because I mean, you're talking about Deshawn Jackson, obviously from the West Coast. You being from, from PA, Vic being from Virginia.

Like, what was the music like, like, what was y'all listening to in the locker room? So my personality is like, I'm like I'm cool with everybody. You know what I mean? Country boys, white boys, black news, everybody. So I was running the music for real. And everything's up north from me. Like I was putting them boys on dipset

I put them boys on everything Yeah This one GIL was going crazy Yeah Obviously Hove, Nass I had that big Epo I had all that shit playing But Dejad

You know what? He put me on Nipsey Okay I'm here the first I said yo He ain't really lyrical Like I like But he was good

A lot of style He was teaching in his own way Yeah I remember He's put me on Nipsey This before he was This one he was selling The CDs out of the car

Or something like that The Crenshaw air Yeah, so Dijack always had the West Coast Sound. I remember when him and me, he was had the loud rap, a little battle. Yeah. I said, bro, listen. Y'all about to come here and talk about all this,

that shit ain't going to win. Don't bet. Because he'll, me, going to have, I ain't know who a little stoop was at the time. Yeah. I said, he going to have somebody in there that can rap. Yeah. We're battling.

We're going to be. And sure love, he had his ass lost. I told him that. Yeah. Because you were in Philly when the Meek and, like, game beef and that whole. thing was happening, right? Yeah.

What's your relationship like with Meek since you was in Philly? And obviously being a native of Pennsylvania. No, me and he was cool. You know, we used to gamble hang out, you know what I'm saying? And all that. I just seen him at the Super Bowl. We were hanging out. That's one thing about Philly, though, all like the, from the ball players,

like the rappers, we all are, like, we all are won. That's one thing I did like about Philly. Yeah, but Meek was cool dude. Yeah. Now, obviously, the Eagles just won the Super Bowl this past. season. It took one of our guys that we had our beloved Sequin Barclay had to go down to Turnpike and turn it up

down there in Philly. I'm happy for him. I'm happy that he got a ring. That's real. That's real. Yeah, absolutely happy for Sequan. As a giant fan, I hate y'all, but I was so happy for Seqqq. He deserved it because we did him so fucking dirty.

Absolutely. Now, and watching Seekwon Barclay, what are some similarities you see in you and you and Seekwon? And what are some of the differences in the, style between you and Seekwon? Yeah, you know what? A lot of people be trying to, like, say that. I don't really see a lot of similarities because,

out there games are different. Like, so we have a golf event we do every year. Saquan a lot bigger than me. Okay. You know what I'm saying? So I think when people see him make moves and all that, and they look at my moves, like, yo, them guys are shitty, but, like, he's a lot bigger than I am.

You know, and I guess the part you would say we are similar is like we was real nice and we can make dudes mess make highlights. But I think, I think it's really different. I think he got his own style. And his style is obviously working. Yeah. He's more, I think he's more God-Gifted than I am.

You know, I come at, I don't know what, six foot, like 207. I ain't ever really lived weights. I never really was into that. Where he's a dude that, like, he's always been a lifter. It's always been working hard on the gym. Like, I didn't really do none of that. And I think the way we played was good because we both was like, explosive and got busy.

But we just different. I think our styles is a lot different. Yeah. I mean, definitely the shiftingness once he got to the Giants. I think it eminid you for sure. But because he's stocky, I don't, I see what you're saying. But y'all definitely do have a same shift as far as how y'all move in between gaps and how y'all go, like, yeah, I see why people say it.

Y'all just have different body types of balls. And they're like, man, we talk. Like, we laugh about it. You know what I'm saying? But one thing I do, I will say, by him that I didn't know he had this from not, like, I knew him. And we would talk, but it wasn't like when he came in Philly, where I can really holl at him and really.

be around him. I didn't know he was that competitive, you know, like watching at Penn State. He looked talented, watching with the Giants, like, you know. But I didn't know how competitive he was. I'm a real competitor. Like, I hate to lose and anything. I'll tell you how competitive he is. He beat more in karaoke.

I was happy to see that. He's so competitive, he beat more in karaoke at a birthday party. That's a fact. For real? Yeah. No, it's a fact. No, he did not. He sang at karaoke.

I didn't. I know because it was a competition. There wasn't no competition. I did not sing at all. He saw that karaoke mic and said, I'm smoking everybody. And then mall. He did. He did his thing.

Mall said, y'all didn't want to go on stage. To see him showing, because we golf and I don't really golf like that, but I talk a lot of shit. So my team, play his team. It's like his college team, my college team, and we played in week one. And, you know, I'm talking to shit. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I could see how, I said, oh, he cares.

That was good to see, though, because now, if you care about a little golf, you don't care about. Yeah. And he plays like that. So I like to see that. You went up to Buffalo, so at minimum, twice a season, you saw Bill Belichick. I have to ask, you know, the question that's on everyone's mind, football related. Did he always give Sugar Daddy vibes? You know what?

No, you know what I was about Bill, though? He'd been so angry and mad and trying to, like, win everything and just, like, now he, he, now he's getting his ass beat, and now he's like, all right. 24-old. When this stuff is over, let me enjoy life. I got money, I got status. Yeah. Let me give me a little bad, little 25.

You're like, you know what I'm going to do yoga on the beach? Yeah. Yeah, come on taking his shirt off and all that. Like, go on. He was wearing hoodies that were cut off. Yeah, no, I'm happy Bill is finally embracing. Yeah, she gave Bill some style. What it is.

But yeah, he just never. I only rock a bill like that because, like, you had Brady, dog. You know how blessed that is that, Brady? Yeah. And you win in championships and you still not happy with Brady? Yeah. You know what we're talking about? Teams would die to have Brady.

That's a fact. Now, speaking of Brady, you- like he ain't nothing. Like, what? Yeah. Speaking of Brady, you played, and now I'm thinking about it, you played with Michael Vic, you played with Pat Mahomes.

Brady. And Brady. Now, with those. And Josh Allen. And Josh Allen. God, damn. Now, with those four quarterbacks, right, what are,

if you had them on the draft board, right now in front of you, Vic Brady No accolades, nothing You just Donald McName I'm playing with Donald McNabb He was nice

God Oh yeah I forgot he was at the end of that Now real quick I know what you're about to ask Real quick The last time I did this And this when Josh

was the second year So he won't even So you don't even know Who Josh Allen really was I did I know how good he was Yeah He said he was mad at me I'm like yo damn dog

Yeah I called you twice You texting me Yeah yeah he didn't want to talk to you He said yeah man I seen your quarterback list so you talk about players being sensitive yeah he on his second year he wasn't even as far yet and he was like yo you didn't have me as elite dude like man you had me over brady you didn't have

him over brady right right right so all right so what's the question you had had me over michael vick who had a thousand yards rushing so in all of those quarterbacks you play with yeah who is the guy that if you just saw them play then didn't know No accolades. Just saw them on the field, working out, throwing the ball. Who is the one you'd be like, I want to, I want him to be my quarterback. I want to run for him. All right.

Hold on real quick. Because, like, that's the question is like, so you're saying if everybody's out here in a yard, just throwing a ball, running and throwing. Just running and throwing. I mean, number one. See, but that's hard because, like, football ain't just that. Yeah. Now, okay, I'm going to answer your question. Then I'm going to ask, I'm going to put it in a scenario.

where it makes more sense for me. Okay. All right. So I probably would take Josh Allen on all them dudes. Really? If you just talk. If you said,

your question is, yo, if you're in a park, there's dogs and cats running around and we got a football field. Yeah. And we just throwing a ball

running and all that. Yeah. Yeah. It's Josh Bob. No, but I have to get pushback. The way Patrick Mahones has actually changed

the quarterback position in the way he plays school yard ball in the highest level of the NFL. Pat, different. If you just run around in a park, I don't know if anyone besides,

Pat Mahomes might be number one period in NFL history for backyard football. So Pat the best quarterback today, for sure. And I think past the best, right? But when you just talking about that, you just say it with a t-shirt on and just throwing a ball around running around, Josh Allen, if he race Michael Vick,

Michael Vick will win. It's going to be a close race than what people will think. Okay, God damn, okay. When they all stand next to each other, though, Josh's going to look way bigger than all these dudes. Okay. All right. He'll run you over if you're in his way.

He might make you miss if you're in his way. He tough his nails. And then we're going to talk about the strongest arm. Now, he probably got the strongest arm. We probably out of him and Pat. I remember when I went to Kansas City, he was talking to Pat about just, you know, quarterbacks and all that.

And I'm an instigator, so I might have brought up to him. And he was like, well, I'll probably never do, like, throw off with Josh because it's like it's a lose lose because it's like yo I'm supposed to win but Pat got a or Josh got a crazy arm so it'll be close either way you cut it now that's one part of it now we just say yo I'm in a I'm on a football team and the intelligence the winning all that stuff what quarterbacks do matters then the first dude off the table is Tom because he can't run a lick and he's better than everybody he's smart and everybody He knows what to do

And he's a competitor That mother right there So I would go with Tom And then I'm probably Go with Pat second And then I will go Allen third And then fourth would be

Probably Vic You know Damn I would have thought Vic would have been up higher Like on the list Because I mean just remember Michael Vic Playing obviously a great run A great athlete But I think Vick's arm

Was really underrated For a lot of years That's true. That's true. A lot of years, I think Michael Vick, as a passer was very underrated because coming in, it was like, you know, this guy, he breaks the pocket, but he can go and get you a first down, get you a touchdown. But then when he, you know, in his later years, it's like, okay, I can't really just get out

this pocket and start running. I think it was better with the Eagles. I was about saying, in Philly, I think he proved that point way more than he did in Atlanta. Well, yeah, I mean, he had shit. He had Deshawn out there running every fucking going deep. Every play, like, throw that shit, DeShon going to get him. I always want to hear, like, people's perspectives not ball player. So you would, so you tell me you would take Mike over who, though.

Because you said you'd be hired. If I'm looking at that, if I had those four, I'm thinking I probably would either go Mike, Vic, or Pat Mahomes first. One of those two. I go, I would go Pat, Mike, Josh Allen Brady as far as in the park, school yard, football. Oh, in the park. Yeah, no, of all time. Brady is. I'm sorry.

I did the rankings on the football park. That's why I said. Oh, on football, I mean, Brady is first to me. Yeah. So, oh, so I'm sorry. And that's my bed. Okay, so we say in the park. Yeah.

Oh, so, okay, Josh would be first in the park. Then I'm going with Mahomes, then Vic, then Brady. Okay. Because Mahon's, like you said, my own's be looking left. He'll throw that thing right and it'd be accurate. Yeah. And he's more elucid than what people think. Yeah.

They see his stomach. They see how he talk. They're like, oh, he ain't really going to athlete. Pat an athlete. Yeah. Yeah. No, he was just the way he'd be doing the shovel passes for 30 yards is the crazy shit I've ever seen. Like, that's- And he's a competitor.

I watched this time we had a tackle. I don't even say his name, but he was really good. And every day the week he kept checking on like, yo, is he going to play? Is he going to play every day? Yeah. Well, we get to the last day's Friday. If you really don't make the injury report, then you won't play. You know what I'm saying?

Man, Pat walking that shit, he said, yo, is he playing? the doctors and the players started like mumbling like kind of you know give me some jumbo yeah saying a lot but not saying nothing yeah he said he said yeah he said yeah he said yeah fucking i'm gonna i'm gonna with him or without him yeah and he won that's as as a run real quick tv don't show you that part though right yeah yeah yeah yeah as um as a running back being with those legendary quarterbacks do you think that was an advantage or disadvantage as far as maybe the defense was focused more on the pass,

so giving the ball to you was easier, or the fact that, hey, we're just focusing on the passing game. Yeah, so I'll say this, though. You know, I wasn't really blessed to play them dudes in my prime prime, so I played with Pat and Tom at the last two years of my career, right? And then when I played with Josh, he was a rookie. So, like, he was talented, but he wasn't good. They still gained some respect, though.

And then when I played with Mike, see the mic thing was weird because Mike was good but like it should have ran through me because I was the one I was making all first team all pros they were showing they weren't doing that it was good though but they weren't doing that and we would throw the ball so much

where now you might get a picker or a fumble or you know what I mean because we're throwing it so much if you look at how they use Lamar and Jackson they ran the ball a lot with Derek Henry and they let Lamar run a little bit but he ain't throwing it like 30 sometimes a game right we was

We was throwing the ball with Mike, like it was like it was paymanning or, you know what I'm saying? And it's not a dis to him, but his game is he can throw the ball, but he can run too. Like, why are we going to make him do all that throwing? Yeah. Well, I mean, did you see a difference with Andy Reed in Philly versus KC? Like, what was the difference there? So he didn't call plays in Philadelphia. You know what I'm saying?

He just looked over everything where he called plays in Kansas City. I remember saying, tell him, like, you know, all these excited plays. you got why you ain't cost when I was there so he didn't really call plays you know but um but then again like my skill set different from Pat's yeah you know and then sometimes being honest like

if Pat's throwing it 38 40 times like he might get a pick because he'll pay it throws some picks too like you gotta be a certain type of talent to do all that unless you're throwing like bubble screens or you know safe passes pay mannings and Tom they can do that shit yeah

Yeah, that makes sense. Now, we just had the NFL draft and, you know, obviously the talk of the night with Shador sliding to the fifth round. As somebody that's, you know, obviously been in that position yourself, what was your thoughts in that moment? Like, as far as just being a player, like going back to that moment of you being on the board and waiting to hear your name call. Like, did you, number one, did you think Shad would slide that far down in the draft? And number two, do you think it's more a point? political thing or maybe as a player. I'm just asking the players.

Do you feel like you've seen something that Shadoa where he's not quite ready or which I think he is yet? Yo, man, like, we can do this, but y'all know what's going on. Y'all know what's going. That's why you ask the question. That was bullshit. That was crazy, bro. Then, like, now you got a player in your team that you took in the third round, quarterback.

Yeah. That everybody know, you're not even good at Shador. he's the fifth round. Like, so let's say it wasn't as good as you I thought he was. And maybe he thought he's burning what he is. His dad's Dion. So everybody's also going to feel like they burn him. You know, because that's a Dion,

and it starts in his kids, like, you order shit, which is not wrong with that. Right. But y'all telling me a fifth round draft pig, yo? Right. So check this out. So I've been playing ball a long time. I've never heard a coach or franchise come out and say,

well, we got a third round. draft it, we drafted. We got a fifth round round draft hit. We got, we got an old-ass quarterback and Joe Flacco. He's like 40s. He's like older than all of us on this call. Or his own, right? And then you got a young quarterback

that struggled in his career, but he made some splashes in Philadelphia. But in Pittsburgh, he wasn't that good. Okay. They said, you know what we're going to do? They told the whole world is, the whole, you know, the media, that we're going to split the reps from the first

team and the second team. Now, since I'm in playing, it don't happen like that. Okay. The starter gets the number one reps. The backup gets the number two reps. The third and fifth round draft pick, that's in football, that's not,

that's nothing. That's like, you're fifth rounder. There's nothing, you know. You won't let the fifth rounder get some second team reps in the first team reps. Normally they go with the fourth string and third string. Right. So that lets you know that everybody in this room we got

are eagle for real. And that he could potentially start because he's a fifth rounder. He shouldn't even be taking no number one reps. Right. So y'all did all that bullshit with the draft. To have your fifth round draft pick now be taking number, second team reps and first team reps? Right.

And tell me how that makes sense. Right. What that was was, listen, got this young black kid who don't need the pros. Right. That's calming down a little bit. He's a little bit too cocky. An ego check.

Yeah. Ego check. I didn't like that shit. Yeah, I thought that it was crazy, only because when you start looking around and look at all the analysts and where they had them and look at all the mock drafts. Like, I think the lowest I saw was like they had them like late first, early second. But now when you get to third, fourth, everybody's like, okay, clearly this is, you know, they're going at coach prime. You know, they don't like it. It's politics, things like that.

Even the president, even Donald Trump chimed on that and was like, like people are just stupid. There's no way his dad. Dad is a great player. DNA. He's a champion. He's a street smart. And all these things Donald Trump was saying, he was like, there's no way that should do a saying it should be a fifth round draft pick.

Right, none. Yeah, that was crazy. Before we get out of here, top five Philly rappers of all time. Ooh. Top five? Top five. I'm going to go,

damn, the hard part is, because I'm a Mink fan. I love meat, though. I guess it'll be cool, too, but I got, but see, I love Siegel. That's a tough one, y'all. That's a tough one. I'm going to go with, um, um, um. Philly has a lot, a lot of spitting.

A lot of rappers in Philly. I know, but I'm just talking about that, that, that, that's, number one, I will go, uh, I'm gonna go meat meals. Okay. All right. You know, him and Siegel's a tough one, though. I ain't on, that's a tough one for me. This for me, that's a tough one.

Yeah. I'm going to go, uh, um, I'm going to go Bean second, right? I'm going to go, I'm going to go Cassie third. Okay. Not mad at that. I love Cass. Like, you're talking about a rat or rap.

He's the first one throwing on. Yeah. You know? That's three or four. I'm going to go, this is going to fuck you up a little bit. But I'm going to go, I'm going to go Eve, you know. I'm not mad at that at all. I'm not mad at that.

I was just having an Eve conversation. thing, yo. I'm not mad at that. Eve has my favorite voice of a female rapper. If that makes it, just her voice to me is the best female rap voice

I've ever heard. Yeah, I'm not mad at that at all. She wants to go to New York, but she'll go her own. Yeah. And then I'm gonna go fifth, um,

I guess I'm biased because I like some of the people. I like, you know, you can go free, but I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go young Chris. I'm not mad at that at all.

Definitely not mad at that. That makes sense to me. Definitely not mad at that. I love what him and Ryder, him and Roder put out their tape. One of my favorite tips. Chris, Chris is.

Chris, he's going to be nice to ever. He's going to always be an elite, elite rapper. I love young kids. Real quick, yeah, because your outsiders, was you to have been me first over me? Yeah. Yeah. Beans is one of my favorite rappers ever. Yeah.

I shit. Yeah, the becoming, the reason, the truth, like those albums, it's just like. Time and two. With my age, like Beans was the one for me. Yeah. Like, but I mean, I would even put on some like rap nerdy shit, Black thought has to be in that conversation. Black thought.

Yeah, like. Even close to like a number, like, you could make a case that he would be the number one rapper, rapper, rapper, rapper from Philly. Yeah, we're talking just technically raping. Yeah. But I mean, I would put beans. I put beans one, Black Thought, two,

uh, three. I would, I probably put, this is my personal shit. Freeway. three was nice too Meek would be four um shit five it's funny you said young Chris

because that he's like he's kind of like he's right there he's got to be there's no doubt about it I probably put Chris right there too I'd actually as far as rapping

I probably prefer Chris over Cassidy but I feel like that's disrespectful because that I'm a hustler album like it's kind of fucked up to not put Cassidy in the top five And I'm thinking also too, like, like the, like I like the bars. I'm a bar dude, but also like when you leave Philadelphia and you go to Houston or you go to wherever, like some people represent the city the right way. You know what I mean?

Like Cass, he was one of the dudes that, yo, my Philly Shill, people going to know, because stuff I don't do it. So I think about all that, like the production part in the actual bars, you know. Well, y'all are disrespectful because no one brought up Will Smith. Listen, I love Freshman to Bel Air I love Freshman to Bel Air I'm just saying Y'all are disrespectful You know what though

I'm gonna tag a Gilly this shit Gilly will be like yo why don't I make that list Yeah, Gilly definitely gonna be like why he ain't top of I put no disrespect on Gilly's name Because especially we going back to my era With Beanser, like Gilly's mixtakes was our shit in high school Like Gilly is definitely in that conversation I wouldn't even be mad with the young Chris versus Gilly

Gilly is up there I don't want to suspect Gilly. I go real. I go real. Like, if you're going Gilly, I'm going Dutch and Spade. Like, I go into that type of. That's what I like that. Yeah, I go into that.

Like, I go Oskino, you know what I'm saying? I go into like that type of Philly. Eness, no. Hell yeah, but Enes. Enes right now is going crazy. He put out of freestyle every other week. He's going crazy. But he don't have, it's the music.

He don't have the songs. Yeah, the songs. But E. But E Ness for sure is up there. Enes, he deserves a shout-out. No, definitely. He's still, he's still rapping. He's still going crazy.

I mean, they never really rep, Philly like that, but corrupt and left eye, I feel like need to be somewhat in a conversation. A lot of people don't know. Now, he'll never, he'll never say Philly. Now, he do. Yeah, he does every now and then. Do it? Yeah, he let people know, yeah.

He let people know he's from Philly, for sure. But left eye, I think needs to be in that conversation as well. Even though she, you know, Atlanta with TLC shit, but she's from Philly. Yeah, absolutely. Right. All right. All, Shaded, before we let you go, what is your prediction this year for the Super Bowl? Who's taking it all this shit?

The Eagles. No next year. Yeah. Led by y'all man from New York, Seacquant, back at it. You think they're going to do it again and go back to back? Yeah. Yeah. They team.

That's the same team. I don't know, man. Casey. K.C. I think K.C. going to be right there. Buffalo going to be right there again. I think either KC.

Buffalo that play. But the Eagle team too good, bro. What's wrong in Buffalo? Like, what's going on? Why has Buffalo not made it there? I'll tell you, I, bro, you play the juggernauts every year. Yeah. If they, if the, if the, if the, if the, if the, if the,

Bill's play in the NNC, they went to Super Bowl every year like the Chiefs. Right. It's hard to be Patcherones and Andy Reid. Andy Reid is the best coach in football of all time, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough.

You got them over, though. But you got them over Bill? Yeah. Now, look. No, you can't say that. Let me take, all right? And I'm fucking Andy Reid. Now, that's some good football for y'all, all right?

Okay. So, like, people would be conditioned. You know what I mean? Like, I don't care how great any player does. Nobody will be better. and MJ. That's how people look at it. You know what I mean? This is what it is. Belichick got that same thing. When Belichick didn't have Brady,

he was trash. People only act like he's only coached for the Patriots. That's not true. He had other coaching jobs. Wait, oh, no, no, no. I'm giving pushback because he was a defensive coordinator in Cleveland. He was with the Giants as some other random assistant. When Bledso went down, let's not act like the Patriots was ass. Belichick was there for what, two years?

A year and three games before Brady was there and took a backup and did that. Like, let's not, and always had, never had good personnel until Randy Moss showed up. So I'm going to do for you, right? I like, I like you give a pushback. I like that. I like that.

Don't go with you son. So I'm going to give you some homework. Give me some homework, right? So when we lead this interview, right, I'm going to get your info. We're going to talk again. So he was a head coach before he got to the Patriots. That's some homework for you to look at.

And if you look at that homework, he wasn't a winner. He was a loser there, okay? Then when you get to the Patriots, right? Before you had Tom Brady, and after you had Tom Brady, right? Yeah. You're not even a 500 winning coach.

A team's last though. And last thing, last thing, soon Brady leaves, right? Mm-hmm. You limp your way to the playoffs. You get smoked by 35 points to a team you play twice a year. And then after that, you look like one of the worst teams in football so Andy Reid

no matter where you drop him at no matter who his quarterback is he always going to be a good coach we always going to win before he got to the Chiefs they won three games bro yeah same motherfucking team same team yeah

then the next year they go to playoffs and now the Chiefs is what they are the Eagles before we got to the Eagles it was trash first year he went five and three five five and he went five games five and 11th

then year after that 11 and five playoffs playoffs playoffs playoff. So I just hate when we compare them dudes. And the last thing last thing. So.

I didn't know as we Bill's a defense to do. You know what I mean? Yeah. Right? Andy Reid's the

officer quarterback type of dude. Mm-hmm. So I can develop players. I think Pat's wrong was phenomenal. Mm-hmm.

I personally don't think that Pat will be that without Amy. I think he'll be really, really good. I don't think he'd be that. Right. Everywhere Amy he goes,

the quarterback is going to be good. Okay. This is what it is. I can't say that same for Bill. Bill gets credit for Tom. And he a quarterback and you're a defensive coach. Okay.

After Deflate Gate, how many games was Brady suspended? They went undefeated? Yeah. And then the, homie's career who went to the 49ers. What's his name? Jeroplo?

Gropolo? Yeah. Garapolo, yeah. He's trash, too. What about him? No, exactly. And Bill, he went undefeated with Bill after Deflake Gate when Brady got suspended.

Look. I mean, you talk about a couple games. I give you that. I can't say you about that. And I'm not saying it's comparable to what Andy Reader done in regards with other quarterbacks. But you can't discredit that Brady was really a nobody at that time.

Who can you say that, though? Yo, I know what he did in Michigan. Don't get me wrong. They discredit him. We're talking about the pros. Every word of time where he goes, he wins. The dude left. The dude leaves.

No, I'm saying, when Bledso went down, Bill was dealing with a nobody as a quarterback, had no experience the NFL, and no real personnel. Bill and Brady have made Edelman a hauler. of Famer. Like, every last little fucking wide receiver they have made that way. But that's my question of people like, they say that. How does Bill get credit for them type of receivers? He's like, he's on defense aside. He don't have to do with the offense? Come on. You think Bill Belichick has nothing to do with the offense, nothing at all?

You think he don't show up on Tuesdays and Wednesdays? He just be at home with his 24-year-old girlfriend. I'm saying, and he's not putting no plays in. He's not installing. He's not, he's not coaching the offense. Like, Andy Reid ain't going on her coaching the defense. He's the coach, the GM. I'm not, I don't think he's the best drafter, but look what he's done. He's taking a bunch of kids from Rutgers and made them Hall of Fame DPs.

Like, that's a coach. He put the best offensive coordinators that end up being the Notre Dame head coach. Like, he has made stars out of coaches. All his. Mike Rable. Like, he has made stars. All those coordinators, they be trashed for offense.

Then why are they a dynasty? Let me tell you, hold on. Hold on. They coaching Tom Brady, dog. That's the truth. The coordinators he gets, right? They come there with the Patriots. They win in all these games and all this shit.

Soon they leave the Patriots and they leave Tom Brady as their quarterback. They go to all these different places and be trash. You know what they do? Then they come back to Tom and they save him. Tom left the Patriots and won the championship with the Bucks. Okay. Same roster. Same team.

Yeah. Same roster. All I'm saying is. Dog, that was like the AAU version. That Bucks team was insane. What are we talking about? I was like game to three receivers. Let's act like that Bucs team.

Gront came back. What are we talking about? He had an all-star team. But see, you say that, you say that, but it's like, this elite players versus elite players. So nothing's just really easy. You know what I'm saying? It's the NFL, of course.

It's really easy. So what I'm saying is the common fact that we have here is that every time number 12 goes somewhere, they're going to be winning. And then when he leaves, the Patriots ain't never looked that bad. They look terrible about Tom. Am I correct? I know.

I think Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time. I don't even think it's fucking close. I'm just saying we cannot discredit Bill Belich. and everything he did with the rosters that he had. The Patriots were never a superstar team, ever. Even the running backs. If you go through the Patriots running backs for the last 20 years,

those guys would have never been damn near Super Bowl MVP's without the system that was running in the Patriots. This is what I don't get, though. This is what I don't get what you keep doing. You keep giving, so Bill's thing is defense, right? They say he's one of the most greatest masterminds on defense. Right. So if that's what he is, why do you keep giving him credit for offense?

he's the head coach so if they fail it's he gets the credit but if they win he doesn't but i'm saying how do you get the credit nobody i mean nobody's the head coach you think you think he's legitimately not looking through any of that like he's just be like yo whatever y'all want to do no i mean obviously he's a coach but what i'm saying it's like he ain't in that monpike like yo let's go over this officer game plan to try he that's not what he does it's not what he does it's not he just cannot see him not looking over that he really he ain't he ain't doing these crazy, exotic defense and shit, that's not what they do. You got an office coach and the head coach. I see everything, but I ain't really, so real

quick before you leave, because you keep saying the personnel and the team was not that good, look at the fucking defense that the pitchers had with Tom Brady and Drew Bluffs up. Because I don't think you know. No, Teddy Bruske, Teddy Bruske was crazy. Vrable was there at that time. I mean, obviously you get to the high towers and all that after. Let's get to the better players. They were good.

Look at the real good players. Rodney Harrison was struggling in San Diego until he came to the Patriots. He was having a hard time. Yeah, keep going. Keep going. That's crazy. We keep going. He's always been good.

Who was the free safety next to Ronnie Harrison? He was nice. Oh, Mallor, that went to the bills. He was nice too. He was, yeah, but again. Because he's always been nice. Hey, no, you talk about lawyer Malloy? Yeah, he was a linebacker.

Yeah, lawyer Malloy, Willie, Willie McGinnis, was struggling with the Patriots until till Bill got there. Everybody struggling. They was in a bad organization. I'm sorry. You think, oh, no, no, no. Let's get into it.

You think Pete Carroll was bringing Willie McGinnis to the Promise land? I think Willie was a really good player. No, Willie is a Hall of Fame. But he had a shitty system. Really is a goat. You had Ryan Seymour.

You had Tyloor. Go? Tylo. Yeah, Sante Samu. First of all these dudes is. All right. Asante Sam. Who was Asante Samuel before the Patriots and got that contract with y'all?

Bro, he was a beast. He's a rookie and beat one of the dudes out. He'd been good his whole life. He's been his good his whole life and approves. But that he wasn't some lottery pick that the Patriots got. They was already a damn near a dynasty when they got to Sante Samuel. Hold on. The system was perfect for him.

You acting like Assate Samuel was the number one pick. But I'm saying he was a baller. I don't care what he was a ball. No, he should be in the Hall of Fame. I'm saying the system. him with the Patriots with Bill and what he did, gave him even the value to what got to the Eagles. Asante balled out with the Patriots and bought with the Eagles.

Bill Belichick made Tyrone Poole a potential Hall of Famer. What are you talking about? Tyrone Poo's not a picture of all the favor. I love Tyrone Poo, but you know, but see, this is great. Belichick's so fool. You'll be surprised a lot of the Patriots players saying about him. Like, all that bullshit, Tom Brady's will make that thing go,

bro, that's the simple thing. I'm arguing because it's fun right now. Without a doubt. No, you're in locker, you know this shit way more than I do. I keep saying last thing real quick. So, like, on all 32 teams, right, you're telling me if Tom Brady went to the bad teams. So you got the average teams and the bad teams. Do you think that he makes some teams better?

I think if he went to the 49ers with the 198th pick instead of the 109th pick, we're looking at something different. I think it was a perfect storm. Shit that happens in the universe with two people coming together. I think Tom was going to be Tom no matter where he landed. No, opportunity is something that happens. Like, let's say Bledso. Bledso, they had just read up his contract.

He was going to be the franchise player. If he doesn't go down, Bledso still stays right there. We're not acting like they're putting $200 million into Drew Bledso. After he did take them in the Super Bowl, lost against Brett Favreth. At that point, they're going to let Tom Brady beat him out in practice. You think Robert Kraft is allowing that? Yo, Tom Bled. He allowed Hernandez to mark people, and he still was like, yo, I'll show up to the court.

Yeah, they gave Tom Brady a hundred million-dollar deal, or they gave Blasperman out deal. Tom beat him out. He's better. He's better, bro. That's what happened. That's the truth. Wait. Tom beat out who? Bledso. Bledso. Went down. Came back for the Pittsburgh AFC championship for like one quarter.

Bledsoe balled out. But it was clear that Tom Brady was the one. If Bledso doesn't go down, that doesn't happen. But that's, I mean, what that's football? We can't, I don't know. But I'm saying they're not allowing as good as Brady could be at practice. That franchise in politics. What did you say? What did you say earlier?

I'm going to do a callback. You said sometimes the best player doesn't play. It's politics. You give Bledso this much money. He has the smile. He's tall. He's marketable. You think they're investing all that money

to let some kid from Michigan beat him out? No, that's not happening. He went down and he took the moment and became the greatest quarterback of all time. If he goes to the 49ers, I don't know if that same opportunity is happening. Oh, so you said, oh, oh, you said, okay, I get credit for that.

So you said, like, Bill made it happen for him. He gave him a chance to play. It was a perfect storm and energy of both of those people. and that opportunity. And yeah, an amazing coach and the potential greatest quarterback of all time

in that moment happening. That's some real, like you have to go on the moon and stars to figure out how that whole shit happened. I'm dead ass. But the thing with Tom is like, the time that you know,

everywhere he's been that, he's been really, really good. Never met him. He's been a winner, right? Yeah, Michigan, he was a winner. Everything I know about Tom is that he's been a winner, he's been really, really good

as a quarterback. That's what y'all know. That's the fact. What I'm telling you is that we can't say this same for Belichick. That's all I'm saying, bro. No, he's 75 with a 24-year-old girlfriend. That's a winner to me.

So look, look, look. He got to do his homework. I got to do his homework. LaShawn, we appreciate you, man. Thank you, bro. You appreciate y'all. Yep. Love.

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