The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Saints, Aaron Rodgers, MLB players, James Harden, Roger Goodell

Episode Date: May 15, 2020

Colin talks about the Saints playing the victim card again, why he feels the MLB players have more to lose, what he thinks Aaron Rodgers should say during his Friday press conference, why he's defending James Harden, and why he feels Roger Goodell is very intelligent. Guests include Chris Broussard, Andrew Whitworth, Jeff Gordon, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for the Hurt at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching Hurd. listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. It is a Friday. I cannot remember the last time we had this many great topics live in Los Angeles. This is The Heard, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me. She's doing something cool to her hair this week.

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Thank you, Colin. So look at Joy Taylor this week. You have come roaring back on television. We were getting back in studio. We don't have hair and makeup. You did no exhibition season. She came out through for four touchdowns, first game back.

It's great to have you. This week, today it's an incredible day for talking. There's a lot going on. There is a ton going on. So start about this. I, Joe and I talk about this. One of the things that drives me nuts, and I joke with my kids, whenever they're a victim,

I'm like, whoa, talk to the hand. We have granite countertops. There's no victims here. Dad can be mean some days. There's no victims in this family. There's real victims all over the work. Now I want to hear of a victimhood, just because you didn't get this when you wanted it

or that when you wanted it. So I'm, I don't like, I'm not a big fan of the card, but there are real victims. The New Orleans Saints are not one of them. So James Harrison, story came out yesterday. James Harrison's talking to bar stool sports, came out and said, yeah, 10 years ago, I lit this guy up for the Cleveland Browns, knocked him out of a game, and after the game, Mike Tomlin gave me an envelope. I'm not going to tell you what was in the envelope, and I doubt it was Mike Tomlin with a thank you card for the big hit. Have a nice weekend. Don't be a litter bug. Doubt it was that. It was probably cash. Anyway, that's what James Harrison claimed.

the New Orleans Saints who were part of that bounty gates, Sean Payton was suspended. They were fined. Well, well, here come the Saints. You know, it's 2020. That was Sean Payton was suspended eight years ago. I thought we were all over it. But the Saints, once again, the world's out to get us. Here's Sean Peyton, a guy I like.

If people are waiting for the league to investigate that, they shouldn't hold their breath. I would be shocked. That'll be something that's tucked away or under the rug at Park Avenue. They'll look into it briefly. Don't get me started on that. Get you back in the dog house, coach. You know, honestly, something I'll never truly get over because I know how it was handled and how it was run

and the reasons behind it. And that's just the truth. Oh, Lord. First of all, James Harrison thing happened 10 years ago. We just found out about it. Statute of limitations maybe. James is out of the league. Okay.

Mike Tomlin shouldn't say anything. It's over. the bounty gate was different. The NFL found out about it either while it was still going on or it just happened and the players were all still in the league. And Peyton was, you know, one of the stars, celebrity coaches in the league at the time. And so the NFL increased concern about safety, found out in the moment or close to the moment, players still in the league and said, yeah, suspensions, fines, the like. big difference between something happens and you discover it 10 years ago and I'll get to the pandemic part of this and I discovered it now

now the saints can say well well I mean we weren't the only ones doing it a lot of bank robbers don't get caught the ones who do get in big trouble it's called the speed limit everybody goes over it you ever gone to a cop and say you know the guy going next to me was going much faster they're not interested You roll the dice in life if you're going to cheat on your taxes, you're going to rob a bank, you're going to do bounties. You may not be the only person doing it, but if you get caught, you're in big trouble. The Saints got caught. The NFL, there's this thing about New Orleans that they think the league is afram.

Why in the world would the NFL not love the Saints? They play Super Bowls there. They have maybe the most creative offensive coach. They have an incredibly likable Hall of Fame quarterback. Post-Katrina, that's the NFL. there is a resilience to the city I think we all admire. People love New Orleans. Now, the New Orleans NBA franchise, nobody cares about.

New Orleans in Green Bay are the two, and this is why the NFL is king, small markets thrive. The Packers and the Saints are two of the top seven or eight brands in the league in tiny cities. Everybody likes New Orleans. It's America's party city. You go, you eat oysters, you party, you throw up, they clean it up. Nobody knows you come back home and do your job at work. Everybody likes New Orleans. Nobody's picking on New Orleans.

The NFL last year, and the NFL is well run, did the single dopeous thing I've seen perhaps in 20, 30 years. They created a past interference replay. It was so ridiculous, so reactionary that officials silently protested it. Replay officials, real officials, GMs, people protested it. But the NFL felt some need to take care of New Orleans. And it's like, okay, they kind of got job. No, they didn't, by the way. The game went to overtime.

and they blew it twice. Their offense blew it and their defense blew it in overtime. Yeah, it was a bad call. It happens. It happens all the time. College football, pro football, Ohio State fans are still yelling about a call against Clemson. It's sports. Brian Russell of the Jazz still thinks MJ pushed him.

It's sports. They're bad calls, bad throws, bad tackles, bad everything, bad coaching. But here's another thing. New Orleans is built on restaurants, tourism, and hotels. Let me ask you, New Orleans. During this pandemic, are you worried about something that happened 10 years ago? Or are you trying to survive and keep your restaurant, your hotel working today? We know the answer.

It's the latter, like everywhere else in America. We're in the middle of a pandemic. Yet, the NFL is not going to go back and worry about something 10 years ago. They're trying to get a season. They have 1,700 players. They're trying to take care of them. They cannot afford not to have a season. So if the NFL doesn't consume itself or concern itself with what happened 10 years ago,

yeah, there's sort of something going on that we're all paying attention to, especially in places like Nevada and Miami and New Orleans that deal a huge part of their economy is tourism. And right now, nobody wants to get in an airplane. So yes, the NFL's worried about now, not 10 years ago, nor should they be. This idea is becoming almost laughable now that the NFL's out. to get New Orleans. Everybody likes New Orleans. Who doesn't like New Orleans? Who doesn't like the Saints? I mean, outside of a rival in division, they mostly don't like the Saints because the Saints beat them. Everybody likes New Orleans. The NFL likes New Orleans. And stop. Enough. Bounty Gate,

you got caught. You rob banks, get caught. You get tagged. It's the way it works. Now, let me now shift gears to something. I'm going to go in a different direction than what I'm hearing from everybody else on this. People are ripping Blake Snell. He's a baseball player. And they're ripping Blake Snell. All he cares about is money, money, money, money. And I do admit, the optics of talking about money gets really ugly. I said it. I admit it. But I thought about this in the last couple of days. So here's Blake Snell talking about, I'm not, you want me to take pay cut after pay cut after pay cut i'm not doing it y'all got to understand too because y'all gonna be like bro blake played for the love of the game man what's wrong with you bro money should not be a thing

bro i'm risking my life what do you mean it should not be a thing it 100% should be a thing if i'm gonna play i should be getting the money i signed it be getting paid i should not be getting half of what i'm getting paid because the season's cutting half on top of a 33% cut of the half that's already there on top of that, it's getting taxed. So imagine how much I'm actually making the play. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to defend him. The optics aren't good,

but let's not worry about optics during a virus. Let's worry about, like, data and science and stuff, not how stuff lands on Twitter. Let me defend Blake Snow, who's a really good player. Who's taking the risk in all these sports? The athlete. Okay? In unique times, you have to have unique positions and strategies.

Generally, in my life, I have often supported owners. I've been part of businesses in my life. I have some ownership in this show. You know, I see the owner's side, the capital, the risk. Who's taking the risk? It's not the players. It's not the billionaires. This is the one time in my life.

I'm going to go for the players on this in all sports. A, they're taking the physical risk. B, they're leaving their families. In the NBA, they're going to have to play thousands of miles from their families. Grandmas, grandpas, family, they don't know what's going on. They don't know what's going on with their family. They're not there to support them. They can't fly back.

And the third thing is, if the players say no, owners have no leverage. Owners could not say today you have to play. Absolutely not. This is an agreement between everybody. And I hear this all the time. Well, I mean, owners are going to lose billions. There's a reason people don't sell baseball teams very often.

Frank McCourt was forced to sell it. Okay. Let's take the Dodgers, because I'm in Los Angeles. The Dodgers were purchased eight years ago for $2 billion. At the time, you may recall, ho-hoo, that is ridiculous. And they're not even worth half that. eight years later there were $3.3 billion.

I'm going to do some quick math. Actually, I did it two hours ago. $1.3 billion of growth in eight years. The Dodgers equity grows $162 million a year. Players never get part of that. And by the way, because of the instability in the stock markets around the world, because of the instability of the housing markets, where are the world's wealthy,

investing. Pro sports franchises. They're growing and growing and growing and growing and growing and the players don't get any. They just get a salary. And I know business guys are saying, hey, cowherd, the owners take the risk. So I want to stay with that word risk for a second because capitalists love the word risk. I risk. I am risking the big money. All right, we'll use that word you love to just throw at players all the time. Risk. On your private jet, everybody masks and gloves. Four people. What's the risk in the billionaire's suite? What's the risk in your castle slash mansion? There is none. The risk, the word you love to use, operative word here, is all on the players. NBA players, hockey players, soccer players, baseball players.

Owners, give one to the players. This is the year. You're going to make $100 million. When LeBron went to Cleveland, Dan Gilbert made $500 million equity of his franchise in an hour. Players don't get part of that. They don't get part of any of that.

They get a salary and taxed. Yeah, like Steph Curry pays a higher tax rate in California than I do. Why? Because I can file as a business owner. He's an employee. That's why guys like LeBron have businesses on the side so they can at least shelter or, you know, manipulate like owners can do some of their shoe business and some of their movie business and some of their TV business. I'm not anti-owner.

I'm often pro-owner, but this is the year I will overwhelm. side with players because of that word owners always love to use i'm taking the risk this year none of it it's all on the athletes all right there we go uh coming up next i am jammed today packed so aaron rogers is holding a press conference today talking for the first time since the packers drafted jordan love now it's interesting when they called the press conference Oh, let's see what time does it start. Right after my show ends, Aaron Rogers wants no part of me today talking about this. Very aware of me.

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So Aaron Rogers is holding a press conference the minute our show ends. Yeah, I'm sure it's a coincidence. And it's the first time he's talked since the Packers drafted Jordan Love. I, of course, am one of the only American, well, I'm America's media icon, so why not? One of the few people that have gone after Aaron Rogers, because I think at times he can be a tad condescending. I think he's a great talent, not always a great leader. And I think I've been backed by many sources on that public, private, both through the years. But I do think he's a first ballot hall of famer and super talented.

I love watching him play, and he's always welcome on the couch and yell and scream at me if he wants. I don't care. He's an unbelievable talent. But he holds a press conference today, and what I want is authentic. I know he'll be smart. I never worry about that, and he'll be thoughtful. But I want authentic, because you can be both authentic and smart and a great leader and a great teammate. And so Joy Taylor is going to be the reporter, do a press conference,

sound effects. I would generally wear a mustache, but during the virus, all those closets are closed here. The props guys are not here. Our props guys are not allowed in the building. So are you ready, John? Let's make it sound like a press conference. I am Aaron Rogers. It's like pumping in a crowd noise. Yes. Yeah, which we're going to do, I heard. Yeah. All right. Joy Taylor, FS1, Aaron, what was your first reaction to the Packers drafting Jordan Love? Well, I mean, I had read the stories and reports that they may do that. So they drafted me when we had Brett Favre. I mean, this is a what enterprises do. You know, they make sure they're protected for the future. So he's supposed to be really, really talented. I don't watch a lot of Utah State football games. I went on to

YouTube. He's big, strong, but this is what organizations do. I mean, I think, you know, when Tom Brady was a quarterback for the Patriots, they drafted quarterbacks every other year. This is the reality of it. Have you talked to Jordan yet? I texted him a couple of times, and, you know, he texted me back. Carol Kenosha News, did you get a heads up that they were drafting a quarterback in the first rounds? Well, I mean, I don't think that's what teams do. And I don't think teams should ask players.

I'm not a scout. On Saturday nights, I'm preparing for an NFL game. I'm not preparing, I'm not watching college football. I'm trying to beat the Bears of the Vikings, the Lions. So I don't know why you'd ask a player's opinion on a draft. Unless, you know, I went to Cal. Maybe it's a cow player, and maybe I know him. But I don't think that's a responsibility of a team.

I'm not supposed to be a scout. We have those. We have a huge department of scouts. Will you be a better mentor than Brett Favre? I think that's overplayed by the media. Brett Farr's job was to win games. My job was to take Brett Farr's job. I mean, that's what we're doing in this thing.

Like there's only one quarterback. We have four receivers playing, six on the roster. you know, we have 12, 13 offensive linemen. You got two quarterbacks. One wants the starter's job, and the starter's job is to win the Super Bowl. So that was not. And Brett Farv, anytime I asked Brett Farv a question, Brett Farv always gave me an answer.

He never wants hidden the information. But his job, his job was to win games. My job was to get his job. So that relationship going in, we're all grownups here. We know what it is. Bill from the Sheboygan Press. How you doing, Aaron? What's your relationship like with,

Matt Lafleur currently. Well, I mean, we won 13 games. It was bad. We wouldn't win 13 games. I mean, it was new, to be honest with you. It's a good question, Bob. Or Sue, I forgot. Bill.

Bill. Sorry, Bill. It's right. You dress better than any sportscaster in the history of, sports writer in the history of Milwaukee, by the way. You know, we just met each other. I didn't know him. He didn't know me. So I think if you can win 13 games in the first year of a relationship,

It's pretty amazing. I mean, if you go back, and you guys, this is what you guys do and gals do for a living, right? Like, if you go back and look at first-year coach relationship with a team, how many have won 13 games in a tough division? I mean, Vikings, really, really good team. So I think a relationship's good. How did you feel about them not drafting a wide receiver? Well, Devante Adams is a star, and he's most quarterbacks in this league don't have Devante Adams. I mean, listen, I can lobby for another wide receiver.

But if you watch this play San Francisco, we struggled in protection. So we drafted a blocking tight end. That's what I've heard. And a bunch of interior offensive linemen and a tough hard nose running back. So if you watch this play San Francisco, were our receivers the issue or San Francisco's defensive line the issue? So I think the team addressed what they viewed as a primary concern. I would have loved another receiver. I mean, fishermen want more fish, right?

I want, I hope we draft four receivers every draft. That's what quarterbacks want. Frank, Green Bay Press Gazette. How are you? Hi, Frank. How are you? How do you feel about Brady joining the NFC? Well, I heard he's playing a golf event with Peyton, so I think I can beat him in golf,

and I can't wait to beat him during the season. I think it's frankly, I think it's kind of great. I mean, like you see NBA guys moving around all the time. I think it's great to have, you know, maybe the greatest player in our league go to another franchise. I mean, I'll be watching. I mean, if they're on TV and I'm not playing, I'll be watching, Tom. Darrell, Beloit Daily News. Darrell, hi, Darry.

Is your team good enough to win a Super Bowl? Excuse me, sir? Is the team good enough to win a Super Bowl? Yeah, I mean, we, I mean, I don't know. I think it was broadcast. We got to the NFC Championship. I mean, we lost to a great team that led in the fourth quarter to the Super Bowl. I mean, it was on television.

And by the way, I think we got a bunch of tough physical players. I think Matt and I are in a second year. I mean, this organization, we don't lose a lot of games here. You know, we get the playoffs. So, yeah, I mean, once you're into the playoffs, especially you're in the playoffs and you get a buyer, a home field advantage, absolutely we're a Super Bowl contender. Thanks, Aaron.

Thanks, Frank. Darrell. Darryl. Sorry, Bill. Okay. Authentic, honest? I don't think he was dishonest with any of that. It actually had a very Aaron-like tone.

I think he really embodied the spirit of Aaron Rogers there. Could one of you, you know, Green Bay people send this to Aaron? And because, you know, he doesn't watch the show. Right. I thought it was, I thought all the answers. If he did that today, you'd be like, cool. There's the answer. Ideally, he should throw.

a wet blanket on the situation. Yes. Hey, listen, I heard about Jordan Love. I read the paper. I saw the stories. I was Jordan Love. Brett probably wasn't tickled by it, but this is an enterprise. It's a company.

And this is what companies do. Frank, with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I'm hold of Franks that stuck with you. So the Broncos are forced to face Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs offense.

twice a year. Yeah. And in an interview with the Washington Post, von Miller asked how they can stop Mahomes, and he doesn't think that's possible. He said, we can't. We just got to score points. If we're able to get off the field,

you can hold them to a third down here and there. But that's on our offense. We've got to score on offense because it's not smart to go into the game and say we're going to hold Patrick Mahomes to no points. They beat Denver 30 to 6 in Denver. He left the game in second quarter with an injury. and then Mahomes did,

and then they won 23-3 at home. By the way, I don't agree with that. Patrick Mahomes trailed the 49ers for three and a half quarters. Tom Brady has never scored a touchdown in any of its eight or nine Super Bowls. You can stop great quarterbacks. Peyton Manning.

If the bottom line here is there's a way to beat Kansas City, guard center guard, if you don't do a good job blocking Baltimore's interior, Baltimore will shut down Kansas City. This league is always shown. If you can't protect a great, quarterback. Look at Jared Goff one year to the next when they had offensive line injuries. There's a way to stop them. And Vic Fangio is a great defensive coach. So Kansas City last year

was really good, but part of it was they had a pro bowl. They had a really great left tackle. They didn't always have great blocking and Mahomes got hurt. But this idea they're going to drop 32 points a game. No, they're not. Well, I would say it was the year before that the Chiefs kind of felt like you just had to score more points than them. Last year, it was, it did feel a little bit different. But clearly Vaughn feels like they, I mean, he's right about their offense. They're going to need to put up more than six and three. Yeah, no, no, Denver's. Yeah, Denver's

offense. You got to get in the 20s. But I do think Patrick Mahomes will not have 17 great weekends next year. He won't. No, but you've got to score more than nine total points against the Chiefs if you're going to stay in the game with them. So the Falcon signed Todd Gurley without getting a chance to evaluate him following a year that seemed to be affected with knee issues.

And offensive coordinator, Dirk Cutter admitted that they don't really know his status heading into next season. He said the main question that no one seemed to know is what's his health status, what's his workload. We're just going to have to find that out once we get here and get him working, get him up and running. He took a pretty significant step back from 2018 to 2019,

obviously ending the Super Bowl season run with a disappointing performance in the Super Bowl. I'm not a big fan of mystery. I like to know stuff. There's too much mystery with Gurley. I don't understand the mystery behind it either because it always felt like the Rams were sort of protecting, but just kind of going a little too far. Like there's nothing wrong.

Like, it's okay if there's something wrong. Right, right. Things happen. Sure. Maybe he is struggling with a lingering knee issue. It's better to have that out in the open than to be, like, have us in this space where we're constantly questioning what's going on with him. Again, we're not going to know, like Dirk said,

until he gets out there and gets running. But it's hard for me to imagine after, the way that things have gone. And look, running backs have had incredible comeback seasons and with major injuries, been able to rehabilitate and have very long careers. We've seen examples of that. I mean, Adrian Peterson and obviously is an incredible example of that. But your carries are going to go down. You're not going to be the same type of back that you were before an injury that's lingered that long. Again, we don't know until it gets out there. But again, the mystery to me is just confusing around Todd Gurley. Like, is it something that's going to linger with him for

entire career or I don't like surprise parties. I don't like mystery. I like information. I've never been a fan of surprise parties. You don't like surprise parties? No, I'm not interested. So you would be upset if someone threw you a surprise party? I'd walk right out of the door.

I'd say you guys have a good time. I'm not into this stuff. I'm a big surprise party. Unless there was a big cake. I like cake. I don't like surprises in life. You actually do like cake. You cut masses, massive pieces of cake.

Love cake. Cake and pie. Anytime we have cake or pie here, don't let Colin serve you. I'm pro cake. I've been pro cake. my entire life. It will make you eat it. Finally, George Gittle has plenty of motivation to come back stronger next season after

losing the Super Bowl. And he told Albert Breer that it's extremely tough to rewatch that fourth quarter lead over the chief slip away. He said, the more you watch it, the more it sucks. Losing the Super Bowl, it's awful. I don't wish that on anyone unless I'm playing them. But I think it definitely was a teaching moment. Guys are definitely very hungry.

We want to get back and win that one. Guys are definitely holding themselves accountable. I think our team's going to come back really well from this. I'm just ready to play football again. I love George Gittle. He is a great, he's a great personality. Character. You know, he has Bronk-like qualities,

but he's very, he's very different than wrong in a lot of ways. But he's a great face of the league. He's very fun. But I think that a lot of, you know, teams win the Super Bowl, you have the Super Bowl hangover. And every year, I always question if the team's going to have a Super Bowl hangover. Like the Rams, like, was it a Super Bowl hangover?

Was it the Todd Gurley situation and they lost some pieces? Like, the offensive line fell apart. Like, is it really a Super Bowl hangover or what comes from making this huge push? Right. And this, you know, this drainage of energy and emotion to get to the Super Bowl and then lose. And especially lose, you know, in that fashion. I don't feel like that the Falcons and are never going to recover, though. Right.

That was, but that was like the all-time meltdown in history of sports. Yeah. Good stuff. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Okay, we got good stuff. So episodes, we have so many good topics today.

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You know, it's funny. I'm reading an article last night. it was really, really fascinating from Jasmine Jordan, the daughter of Michael. And the more I read the article, Chris, Michael is a private person in a public business, whereas LeBron is a public social person in a public business. And the more, I really started to appreciate Michael during this documentary that this burden on him, Chris, he was, you know, not every artist wants to. to be a celebrity, but they become a celebrity because they're a great artist.

And your kind of takeaway on watching this that Michael really covered, maybe that's why he likes golf. It's exclusive and he can hide from people. But the difference between Michael and LeBron and their personalities, your thoughts? No, I think that's a great point. And, you know, I'm in touch with Michael Jordan and I text with him a lot. And you don't, you can't imagine how many times I've asked him to do an interview and he just wouldn't do it publicly.

because he really doesn't want to be put back in the spotlight. And I texted him during this whole thing. And I said, look, you must feel like it's 1997 all over again. And he just, he gave me a comment that's like, yeah, like, and I'm not really enjoying it either. So they really are totally different personalities. You hit on the head. Michael Jordan signed up to play basketball.

Obviously, like making the money from the endorsements and things like that as well. but he just wanted to play basketball. LeBron James is a completely different personality. And in LeBron's upbringing, his coach is when he was younger, Drew Joyce, who was also LeBron was a friend of their families. Drew Joyce taught LeBron from the age of 10 or 11, use the game of basketball to get what you want.

Don't let the game of basketball use you. And that's what LeBron is done. obviously he loves playing basketball, but he's used his greatness at basketball to start up, you know, to become a business mogul and to start schools and, you know, to set up his childhood friends and put them in position to be moguls in their own right.

And so, and he obviously also, Colin, he loves the spotlight. He's on the social media. He's just a gregarious personality. And Jordan was away from the camera as you're seeing in the last dance. But in front of the camera, Jordan was kind of just all business.

I'm taking care of business. This is what I got to do. I do it with a smile. But LeBron just, it's a part of his life. And maybe some of it, too, is that LeBron's been in this world since he was 16 years old. On the cover of Sports Illustrated,

best player in the country. He's grown up with this. Michael Jordan was a late bloomer and really didn't grow up in the spotlight. Two other issues. I disagree with. Shaq when he said, uh, cancel the season. It'll need an asterisk. And to that I say during the pandemic, everybody's life is an asterisk. We're doing things we've never done before. What was

your take on Shaq's opinion? Yeah, I disagree with Shaq because my main thing is everybody's playing by the same rules. If they have a three game first round series, a five game, second round series or whatever it may be, everybody's doing it. It's not like the clippers having advantage that the Lakers don't or the. Or the. bucks having advantage that the two LA teams don't. They all are disadvantaged equally. And part of being a professional is keeping yourself in shape, mentally being able to overcome obstacles.

And these are great obstacles to overcome. And being, I mean, we're going to see maybe some of these guys can't play as well in an empty arena. Yeah. Maybe some guys thrive in that. That's a part of being a professional, though, adjusting to different circumstances So I don't think there'll be an asterisk at all. So the NBA star players had a meeting the other day, a phone call, Zoom or whatever's.

And James Hardin was noticeable by his absence. Now, Chris Paul's the head of the Players Association, don't think he and Hardin are all tight. I was all to say, don't brush over that. Don't just brush over that. That's probably the main factor. So I'm going to defend Harden later, but I'm going to give you the first shot. Defend Harden, if you would, on this. Is he, you know, because there are going to be stories.

Nobody likes James Hardin. Your takeaway. No, look, I think you cannot dismiss the fact that Chris Paul runs the players' associations. What obviously was instrumental in putting this call together. His relationship with James Hardin, we know it's not good. I think that's the main reason Hardin was not on that call. also if you look at it they took one player from a team not every team obviously but no team have more than one player anthony davis they could have got him on there he's certainly a player of the

caliber of everybody else on that call but he wasn't on it because you had lebron representing the lakers also several of the players if we want to say well hardin's not really a leader that's why he wasn't on the call hardin's not going to win big that's why he wasn't on the call westbrook is a great player. I think he's a leader in terms of example and loyalty to his team and teammates, but he's not going to lead a team to a championship, you know, and there are other players on that on that as well. Kawhi Leonard is a leader by example, but doesn't speak much even around his teammates. So I don't think it had anything to do with any, you know, character traits or qualities that James Harden has or does not have. I think mainly it was the fact that Chris Paul

helped organize the call and, you know, he and James don't really get along. And they say, we can get another rocket. We'll get Russell Westbrook. By the way, 90 seconds on this. ESPN came out with a list. It's all-time best players. MJ 1, LeBron 2. Nice list.

I pretty much agreed with it. Any problem with you on that list? My major problem is that Isaiah Thomas was ranked 31st, and he was like the sixth or seventh highest point guard. I think he's right there behind Magic Oscar Steph as far as point guards go all time. So I think he should have been a little higher. I think Kevin Durant also should have joined Steph Curry in the top 15. And those were kind of, I would have put those to Steph and Durant ahead of Jerry West on that list. I think Steph was already ahead of him.

But you're a Michael 1, LeBron, too, guy. Yes. And Kareem 3, they got that right. I would not have had Bill Russell that high. And with all due respect to the great Bill Russell, I would have had him lower in the top 10. Russell obviously is the greatest winner we've ever seen with 11 rings, but his individual numbers, 15 points a game, 44% shooting.

I think he's behind Kareem, Shaq, and Wilt when it comes to centers. So I think he's fourth among centers. Yeah, Russell gets very prickly if you say he's behind Wilt. He does not like that.

He did beat Will a lot. But Will would give him like 30 and 28 every time. He did. And lose. Good talking to you, Chris. Have a great weekend. All right, you too.

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Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Everybody loves Aaron Rogers getting love every day. I can do a show every day, talk about Aaron Rogers. I wouldn't get any blowback. I mean, when I criticize Baker Mayfield, you people bristle. But the response to my opinions on Russell Wilson are just validating.

You're proving my point. That if for two days in a row, support Russell Wilson, your takeaway is, whoa, way overboard. Would you say that if I defended Drew Breeze for two days, Aaron Rogers for two days? I talk Tom Brady every day. The fact that people bristle at me defending Russell Wilson rightfully for two days. Enough, Russell Wilson. Folks, he's a thousand times better than Cam Newton.

You've never complained once when I said something nice about Cam Newton, infrequent as it is. But yesterday, Gino Smith, it was announced, is returning to Seattle to backup Russell Wilson. Of course, he's the perfect backup to Russell Wilson. Quiet, a clear backup, nondescript, understated. Oh, and he's been there a year. No threat, not flashy, not a celebrity, not distracted. Gino's a great NFL backup. Perfect.

He's sturdy. He's big. He's strong. He's good in the quarterback room. Doesn't suck away any attention media. Nobody ever asks a question in Seattle. Russell, your thoughts about Gino Smith. That matters in the NFL.

But my question about this story in Cam Newton was, why did it get out? Why was it leaked? Russell's not leaking it. Russell Wilson's agent isn't leaking the Cam Newton story. Russell Wilson's attorney isn't, and I know him, Mark Rogers. He's not leaking in. Why do these stories keep getting out? The ESPN article that bashed Russell, why did it get out?

Cam Newton's going to be the backup. Why would it get out? The story two days ago, Russell Wilson was going to be traded to Cleveland in 2018 for the first pick. Why does it get out? I say this about the news media in America all time. Everybody always gets caught up. I worked in newsrooms, local TV newsrooms, for 14 years, decade and a half. It's not how you cover a story.

No, no, no. It's what stories you decide to cover. Both Fox News and MSNBC, too frequently, just decide to not cover a story that doesn't make their side look good. And I say that working at Fox. MSNBC does it all the time as well. Just not going to cover that story today. Really? Oh, okay.

It seems like a big story. In this instance, it's not about what's said. It's why does it get out? What is the message? Why isn't John Snyder defending him? If you look around the NFL, and I'm not saying coddle, I don't expect franchises to coddle quarterbacks. These are big businesses.

I don't expect to be coddled. You shouldn't at work expect to be coddled. But if you have a big position, you should experience a lot of support. Cam Newton's story, going to trade him story, ESPN magazine bashing him story. Why do they keep coming out? Is it envy? Is it jealousy? I saw a story the other day that they're going to move off Russell Wilson

potentially at the end of his contract because he's a big salary cap hit. You do get the salary cap is going to move up because the NFL is going to continue to dominate market share, especially if the NBA and baseball don't return. You do get that the football is more popular than ever because now legalize gambling. The ratings are going up for college and pro football because people watch the end of games, even in blowouts to see if they won money and that it's the best sport in America on television. The field perfectly fits the TV screen. I mean, that's my question about this.

I don't expect him to be coddled. I mean, listen, Aaron Rogers isn't coddled. Tom Brady wasn't coddled, but we'll support publicly a little, a little bit. You know, I said this yesterday, and it's not a shot at Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll was fired twice in the NFL. Joy, we may have talked about this on the air, maybe off the air. So in the NFL, if you've been fired twice in the NFL

and you have two losing seasons, your first two in the new place, you have a losing season in the third year. It's over. You don't get a fourth season. Pete Carroll had Matt Flynn. He wasn't going to have a winning record with Matt Flynn. He would be out of the NFL. Pete Carroll is now a legend, a first ballot hall of famer.

Marshawn Lynch and Earl Thomas are the reason? He had Marshawn Lynch before that. Earl was around two, and all of those defensive Legion of Boom guys were already there. Because that division, if you recall when Russell got there, remember we used to say this? Oh, it's the best division in football. I mean, the 49ers were rolling. Jim Harbaugh.

They were rolling. You think Matt Flynn? You think Matt Flynn was running that division? Matt Flynn wasn't beating the Niners. My bad. I supported Russell Wilson for a third day. I know. Over the top.

Second highest passer rating in the history of the league. It is strange that the stories keep getting out. Isn't it kind of funny? Like, I don't need to. I don't need to be caught up. But if you kept hearing about my negotiations with Fox, like they kept getting leaked, I wouldn't leak them. In fact, I tell my agent, I don't want my salary out there.

I don't want the stories out there. No, it's like I don't want to embarrass anybody. I don't want to just like, I have a private life. Like I don't, my stuff doesn't need to be out there all the time. Right? Like, but if stuff kept leaking, I'd be like, well, I'm not leaking it. Well, and it was bad stuff. It was injurious.

It was bad for me. I'd be kind of, if I was Russell Wilson, I'd, I'd, I'd, see these stories. I'm just telling you how I would think if I was Russell Wilson, be like, so what, what's the, what's the, what's the vendetta here? What's the animus? What is it? What is it? I don't like it. All right. Oh, I got it. Oh, good stuff. Lincoln Riley fires back. Lincoln Riley, Oklahoma football coach says pump the brakes on college football. That's next hour two. Live in LA. It's the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHard radio app.

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It's going to be my lead Monday. I'll tell you that. I imagine so. Last dance, and that's going to be my lead. get after it. Hope he nails it. It's Joy Taylor. Jeff Gordon next hour, Andrew Whitworth this hour. Lincoln Riley is a football coach for Oklahoma.

I've said this about the pandemic. Hell of I know. Social distancing works. Wear a mask if you can. In L.A. now we have to wear a mask when we go outside. It's going to be weird surfing today and wearing a mask, whatever. But, you know, I don't know much about it. I think we learned stuff. So Lincoln Riley yesterday kind of pushed back on this whole, you know,

Camp starts June 1st, college football. He went, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. This talk of these schools wanting to bring players back on June 1st is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. But I do believe if we do it right and we don't get ahead of ourselves that we will be able to play a season. You know, in my opinion, we need to bring them in as late as we possibly can. Every day early that we bring them in is a day we could have gotten better. It's a day we could have learned more about the virus. it's a day PPE maybe gets better

it's a day closer to a vaccine it's a day that our testing equipment and testing capabilities get better and it's just not worth it so it's interesting last night I talked for about 30 minutes with a friend of mine he is on the board of a Los Angeles hospital so he's been

on the board for a long, long time and we talked about the virus and one of the things he said is nobody should get it nobody wants to get it But if you got it today, you'd be safer than if you got it two months ago. Because we're learning so much about this virus. And if you got it a month from now, you'd probably be better off than if you got it today. Meaning to Lincoln Riley's point, time equals knowledge.

On my Saturday podcast, I do one of those. We're going to have Dr. Patrick Chong, a surgeon, a billionaire, a doctor who became a billionaire. He's working on a vaccine. He bought a L.A. Hospital. He bought the L.A. Times. part owner or the Lakers, one of the smartest people in Los Angeles. And on the podcast, he's smarter than me or anybody that's probably watching the show. He's learning every couple of weeks.

The point being, don't rush. The second thing that Lincoln Riley is spot on, you can get one shot at this. This is not pro sports. This is not pro sports. It's 85 players, college campuses. We're not going to have a start, stop, start, stop, start, stop. these schools are worried about lawsuits. It's either safer, it's not.

If you come out and don't have your act together and there's things about this virus we don't know and you've got to stop for three weeks, they're not going to start it back up. So you better have every ounce of information on it. Now, the good news is, our doctor told me, Patrick Chong, warm weather helps fight the virus.

They do now know, believe that's helping perhaps California and Florida especially, Georgia with the virus, that warm weather does appear to absolutely help. And so that's good news for people that are going to be practicing in July and August. But there's no hurry. And the other thing is, it just simply, there's no reason to start June 1st. It doesn't take that long to get college kids ready to play. This is Urban Meyer on my show recently.

I've actually had some conversations, and the number that keeps coming up is six weeks. You know, football, you have safety issues involved, and six weeks, which puts you around that July 16th number that gives you a time to get a team ready. And that's the conditioning. That's the, you know, football is such a complex game. But the most important thing is the health and safety. A lot of these places, majority of them are going to, you know, deal with 80, 90 degree heat to get those kids used to running. They have to be on the move. Six weeks out is kind of a number that we've come up with.

That means you could start as late as July. 15th, six weeks of knowledge later than June 1st. You can start July 15th, 16th, and make it if you're playing Labor Day. For the record, not everybody even plays Labor Day. Not everybody does. So there you go. Let me shift to this. You know, you don't hear a ton about Michael Jordan's kids.

The Last Dance, episodes 9 and 10 are Sunday. But I just loved this interview. I strongly encourage you to go out and read the interview. between Jasmine Jordan, Michael Jordan's 27-year-old daughter, and the Associated Press. It's really good. Fascinating to hear her talk about her dad who's very doting, you know, like all dads, Michael's a cream puffer on the kids.

He doesn't treat his kids like Isaiah Thomas. He babies them, he coddles them. You know, he's a dad. And one of the things she says, Jasmine says, and I'm going to read this, she called him silly putty. That's how she calls him. She said, it definitely surprises me because my dad is very private. He doesn't like to comment on social matters.

He doesn't like to respond to things when people want him to. He definitely likes to move methodically on his terms and on his time. And as I'm watching this unfold and he's emotional, he's sharing this incredible insight and perspective. It's just been incredible to see because she was a little girl during all of this. So she doesn't remember it. So she's texting her dad and she's fascinated. with her dad. And one of the things about Michael Jordan, I've always said, and I think about this all the time, what if Michael and LeBron would have played simultaneously? It would have been so fascinating.

And that's just not the way it ever works, right? You never get Jack Nicholas and Tiger in their prime. For some reason in sports, it just never works that way. And maybe it's good for sports. You got Michael years, and then it gets exhausted. And then we get the LeBron years. And maybe the leagues love this, that you don't have your greatest all playing in one time. Magic and Bird is about as close as it gets in sports. But Michael is the opposite of LeBron.

Michael's mostly been hiding since he retired. He turned down a hundred million dollar personal appearance. He turned it down. He's private. Michael hides. I know people that know Michael. He don't want to talk. I mean, he'll own a team or be a GM, but

he just doesn't do stuff. That's why this documentary is so special, like Michael's hiding. He reminds me a little bit of Johnny Carson. Now, for those in your 20s and 30s, you don't understand how enormously important Johnny Carson was. Johnny Carson ran Los Angeles. Not a movie star. Johnny Carson ran Los Angeles. If you had a movie, you went on Johnny's show. If you had a TV show, you went on Johnny's show. If you were a comedian, you went on Johnny's show. When Johnny died, think about this. When Johnny Carson died decades ago, he left $426 million to a children's hospital. You know how much money that is today for a talk show host?

Or a talk show host. When Johnny retired, it was over. It was done. He played tennis, hung out with a small group of friends. That's what Michael does. That's what Michael does. You don't see him publicly. There's a certain dignity to Michael Jordan that he's not schlepping for every dollar.

He's not schlepping for every appearance. He's not schlepping. He turned down 100 million. This is not a knock on LeBron. LeBron's just more social. LeBron's still playing. But one of the things I really appreciate about Michael Jordan, not everybody that's a public figure wants to be.

He is a private person with a public life. Now, LeBron is a public person in a public life. That's great. Magic Johnson, very much, a public person, a public life. Larry Bird was a private guy in a public life. And I think more and more as I watch this, And when I read his daughter, Jasmine, I'd love to get her on the show, by the way.

I think the interview is just fantastic. She's fascinated watching all this. And Michael, when you read this story, he didn't care about a lot of things. He cared about winning at basketball. He cares about his kids. And obviously, he likes winning in business. And that's it.

In fact, I look at golf, and I'm like, of course he likes golf. It's exclusive in private. He can go out behind a guy, gate to a private country club, pick two or three guys, do what he wants. It doesn't have to come out. Nobody invades his space. Of course Michael Jordan loves golf.

He can get away from it all. Fascinating stuff. Look it up, Associated Press interviewing Jasmine Jordan. She would be a great guest on the show. Fascinating. All right. Andrew Whitworth around the corner. Is Aaron Rogers moved up that press conference yet?

Does he have the courage to do that? If I can comment on it, Goulet, try to stay on that. I'm not going to lie. When I saw the story this morning and I saw what time the press conference was, I did giggle a little bit. Like, well, that's convenient. Yeah, certainly convenient. Friday, end of the week.

2 o'clock Central. Every time I've ever held a press conference, it's 2 o'clock central. Okay. That'd be like throwing a wild neighborhood party on a Tuesday. Hey, Tuesday, a big party. When you do that Friday or Saturday? Tuesday. Two o'clock central. You can move it up, Aaron. So the media icon of America can talk about it. Coming up, Andrew Whitworth, L.A. Rams, plus Roger Goodell does it again. I know you all don't like him.

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I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but yeah, yeah, literally.

But just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed, correct. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS

on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years

for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clifford Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast,

the Clifford Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Quarterback on office blue of 42. Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her. What?

Where's she at? Hey, Miss Parker. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio. app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Andrew Whitworth was rated the number one pass blocking left tackle in the NFL. It was five different players from five different teams. And quite a compliment joining us now via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Andrew Whitworth.

All right, so let's start. There's a lot of issues here. Interesting. Andrew, let's start with this. James Harrison, story comes out. 10 years ago hit a guy, got fine big. And he got an envelope from his head coach, Mike Tomlin. Now, Sean Payton's like that to bounty.

Give me a break. As a player, when you read that story on Tomlin and James Harrison in the envelope, how does it land for you? I think being a guy who got hitting the head a lot by James Harrison for a long time, I can, first off, relate. But you know what? I think for me, I've always been on James' side. Being a guy that competed with him every year, I really felt he got unjustly treated in that whole deal

because really the league changed. stance on all those things. And all of a sudden it became that he was this demon because he was hitting people this way. When he had been doing it forever, it was on highlight videos, it was celebrated, it was as big as hits in the league. And then things changed with concussions. And all of a sudden they kind of used him as the staple to make a point.

And so I never took it that he, that I read the story and that Tomlin kind of gave it as a promotion or like a, hey, great job doing it. It sounded more like to me that he was saying that Tomlin helped him in some way, like, hey, I'm going to help you pay this fine because it's ridiculous that you got fine for it. Yeah. So you had respect for Harrison as a player. Oh, man. I thought he was a tremendous football player and competed a certain way.

And knowing that, I mean, he knows this. I play with him when you're in Cincinnati. He's not a real tall guy in stature. So he was when he would explode and come out of his hips and hit people, a lot of the times, receivers, D.Bs, running backs. He was at head level with those guys, much like a running back guys when he lowers his head in a hole. I've been talking about this. I did not like the story on Cam Newton to Seattle going public.

It did not happen. I don't think you should have to coddle a quarterback, but I do think you should support him. And I don't think Cam plays like Russell. And I don't think he fits. He is a celebrity. He's a starter in this league. He's not a backup.

And I don't think it works. When you heard the story, and I've always felt Russell's one of the only quarterbacks in the league that's great. And his organization just never puts their arm around him and gives him. and gives them that support. What did you make of the Cam to Seattle story? Let's start with that.

I thought it was interesting because I agree with you. I don't think they're necessarily the same player. I think Cam's a tremendous football player and definitely could be a starter still in this league. But I don't think those guys are that similar in styles and how they actually play. And Russell's a guy to me that never gets his due and his credit because he's tremendous and all he does is win.

Why doesn't he get the credit? There's got to be an explanation, Andrew. You know, I think it's interesting. It's almost like we choose different guys across the league, whether we're going to judge them by stats or whether we're going to judge them by wins or Super Bowls, whatever it is. We kind of pick our things to judge guys by. If it's Breeze, it's always got to be, even though he has won a championship lately, it's really been about stats. And we judge him as greatness, and he is a great football player. But it's by stats.

If it's Brady, it's by championships. And, you know, for whatever reason, Russell Wilson, it's like, hey, all the success. he's had every single year he wins. How he's not in that conversation is one of those guys that's like, man, how is somebody better than him? You know, it always blows you away because regardless of their team and how they're set up and how good they are on any side of the ball, they win. Let's talk about Tua.

Number one jersey seller in the NFL for his home jersey. Number two jersey seller is the road Miami uniform. So he's got a special sort of it quality to him, whether it's a T-bo or it's a baker. you can be polarizing, you can be likable, whatever it is, two has got that. As an offensive lineman, do you block or think differently when Jared Goff was like a rookie to now, do you, if you had a rookie quarterback, does it change the way you blocked, you think, you go into a game plan, you scheme? I think it does.

The first thing I'd say about that comment is Joe Burrow, welcome to. Cincinnati. It comes to jersey sales. And two, I would say as an O lineman, you know, yes, I think as a young player, you don't necessarily change, you know, how I'm going to block. I don't change what I'm going to do. But I am conscious that probably different things like in college football, the depth they can get in the pocket, how much they can kind of sink back and run away from defenders in the pocket and get away with it just doesn't happen in NFL football. If you get past nine, 10 yards, you're getting your head taken off in NFL football. These guys are too athletic, they're too fast, they're too powerful. And you've got to give your

O'Lahman an opportunity to really have somewhere to push guys around the pocket if it's not going to be a bull rush and they're going to be pushing up the middle. They're going to be running around the edges. And you're going to have to find your way to finagle yourself in that pocket. You see Russell Wilson, you see Drew Breeze, all these guys, they do such a great job. Russell does it by movement. A guy like Drew Breeze does it by continuing to stay so shallow in the pocket and really giving his tackles the opportunity to push guys around. Tom Brady's always been tremendous at it. You know, that's the things those guys are going to have to learn, and it's going to make the biggest difference for them, the quicker they learn that that pocket

and where they're standing and how they protect their linemen by the way they do it is going to be the most important thing they learn because it's going to give them time to get the football out of their hand. Story came out a week ago from a longtime NFL veteran reporter that Tom Brady and Josh McDaniel's relationship deteriorated one of the reasons Tom left. In your opinion, can a player struggle in a relationship with a coach and still win? I mean, I think inevitably in any business in the world, anything you do, everybody doesn't always get along.

And I think that being grown men, I think maybe if you're talking about a young quarterback, a guy who just got in and he doesn't like his coaches or he doesn't, you know, really feel like he vibes with that coach, I think that can be something that's, you know, effective on that player and it can get affected him emotionally and maybe how he prepares. But a veteran quarterback, regardless of whether the story's accurate or not, I mean, I don't see how it would affect them. Because as long as he believes in really the philosophy of the offense and how they're going to do things week in and week out to attack teams, it doesn't really matter to him that much about that relationship. As much as there's a respect level there that we can work together, we can go out and try and attack and execute.

Now, if you ever get past respect or you get past, hey, you know what, a guy like Tom or something didn't believe in the philosophy, that's a whole other issue. But I think if he believes in the philosophy and the way we're going to attack teams, I think it really doesn't going to have a lot to do with success. Finally, Rams have new uniforms. I like them. Joy likes them. They're bright. What does a big offensive linemen think about them?

Well, they're bright. And, you know, as an old lineman, Colin, I'm really not worried about how good they look. I'm worried about how bad I might look in them. You know, so we're more worried about, you know, things like, you know, how bad we're going to look in that, you know, bone and how much. fat rolls we're going to have in them. So, you know, that's the things we worry about. But no, I think it all looks good. I really actually like the bone uniform and I love the home too. And we got a chance yesterday as some of the veterans and kind of talk about what we want

to wear and win and that kind of stuff. So it was fun, man. We're excited about it. A new look, a refreshing look. And it's, you know, what, we're excited for the opportunity to hopefully get a chance to put them on soon. Andrew Whitworth. Good talking you on Friday, buddy. Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you. All right, good stuff. Bring him on every couple of weeks, smart dude. Here is Joy Taylor with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Sponsored by Liberty Mutual Insurance, only pay for what you need. So the last two NFL MVP's, Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson, had incredible seasons that no one really saw coming. Right. So is that a trend that could continue this year? Adam Shine put together a list for NFL.com of Dark. horse candidates for the 2020 MVP.

And Josh Allen is at the top. Big arm, new weapon. I don't know how you feel about number two. Well, it's who's number two? Baker Mayfield. I think Baker's going to have a really good year. I don't think that's crazy. I think Baker's going to have a big year.

Now, now, here's the thing about Baker. And here's the thing about Josh Allen. Josh Allen and Baker are going to be on football teams that may not be trailing late in games or in fourth quarters. because Buffalo's defense is so good. Right. So Buffalo, Sean McDermott's a pretty conservative head coach. If you lead with nine minutes to go, you pack it in.

You run the football. So you're not going to have, it's much better if your defense is, you know, okay. Like Patrick Mahomes, he has to throw. Yeah, their defense was struggling. So he had some really incredible numbers. Aaron Rogers. Aaron hasn't had great defenses in his career. And so therefore, Aaron needs to throw.

I don't think Josh and Baker, I don't think they're going to be. be trailing in nine, ten games this year with eight minutes to go. I don't. Well, Foxbed has Josh Allen at plus 5,000 to win MVP. He's tied for 16th best odds with Baker Mayfield and Christian McCaffrey. Drew Lock's plus 8,000 to win MVP, who is your second year. I think Drew Locke is going to be in, potentially in the discussion for it. Well, the rest of the Dark Horse list is Ezekiel Elliott, Derek Carr, Alvin Camara, Matt Ryan, Derek Henry, Drew Locke at eight, and Michael Thomas. Oh, okay. So Drew Locke's in there. I got nothing but crap for mentioning that.

Are you reading your mentions, Colin? I am petty today. Yeah, I read my mentions on Drew Locke, and I have had enough of it. James Connor dealt with a number of injuries last season that kept him sideline for six games and limited in the ones that he did play. But because of this, his performance dipped in 2019. But Mike Tomlin is hoping that Connor can get back on track this year. He said we're excited about what the group is doing largely. Usually it's going well.

It's because you have a lead dog out front, and that guy is the feature runner. James is a featured guy and proven runner when healthy. We're excited about getting him back to health and displaying that in 2020. Hey, Goulet, look up his numbers. James Conner, didn't they get hurt? Yes, he was hurt. Yeah. He was hurt last year.

He's styling for six games. Levy and Bell can carry 300 times. James Connor carries at 175. I'm good with that. I don't know if he's talented. He's talented. He had 116. Benny Snell.

Yeah, yeah. is capable of being a featured runner if Connor's not available. He had 108 rushing attempts, 146 yards, two touchdowns, three receptions last year. Yeah, if they both got 145 carries, that feels like. It feels more of like a running back by committee. Yeah, yeah. And by the way, that unlike quarterback, two good running backs. And that can work.

Oh, yeah, it works a lot in the NFL. And I think especially if you have a, you know, running backs to or, I mean, it's not great for fantasy and for their individual numbers for getting paid and things like that. but if you're in a situation where you don't feel like they need to be, you need to have necessarily a lead runner like that. And then you have a great third down back as well. Hey, didn't that? I just got it in my, Alex.

Who did they pick in the fourth round this year of the Steelers? Anthony McFarland, Maryland. Alex is very good back there. So they picked a third running back up. Fourth round is a legitimate player. Yeah, I mean, you want some depth at that position, especially since he was manged up last year. So Taysam Hill seems to be next in line to be the Saints starter.

Whenever Drew Brees retires, he's only attempted 15 pass. in his career, but head coach Sean Payton is very confident in what he'll can do. For those that aren't sold, it's probably because they haven't seen enough of him in games. And I can certainly understand that. We think that he's going to be an outstanding NFL quarterback. He's a very good athlete. But I think that's a normal reaction for any fan relative to someone that's getting ready to play that position. And they haven't had the same amount of snaps to look at.

I don't know. I mean, if it's going to work in this league, it works because Sean Payton. makes it work. Right. Like he can make, I mean, let's be honest. He went 5'0 with Teddy Bridgewater. And that's not a knock on Teddy, but Peyton is going to, like Kyle Shanahan, he'll just make it work.

I still, he takes a lot of shots. I just don't, I mean, they really seem to believe that this is a, this is a future situation. I mean, James Winston is there, obviously. I don't think that they brought him in for, you know, to be the next face of the saints. Drew Breese is two years left. and maybe he retires after this year. Who knows?

I don't know. They seem very confident in him. I don't see him going somewhere else and being a franchise quarterback. So to your point, if it works, it's only going to work in New Orleans. Yeah, I mean, if he's really a unique player. He's an incredible athlete. You know, here's what I'll tell you.

He's what people wanted Tim Tebow to be, but Taysam Hill's a much better athlete than Tim Tebow. This is what people thought Tim Tebow was going to be. But Taysam's faster. He's a better throw over the football. And he's a better runner. I actually, yeah, I think you're totally right because then eventually people wanted him to stop playing quarterback. That's what we thought Tim could be.

Taysen Himil is. And I'm not sure that style works. But if it doesn't every down quarterback. But you can't have quarterback by committee. Maybe it does. I mean, you know, again, Kyler Murray, I swear, I was like, isn't there a height requirement? Like, and I watched Kyler Murray last year and I'm like, he gets banged around. Well, the height and body type and all those things, that to me, it doesn't hold as much weight anymore.

because if you have the skill and accuracy, and it's, for quarterbacks, it's so mental as well. So that to me doesn't hold as much weight. But with Tase him, I guess what to, to Sean Payton's point,

we haven't seen enough of him in a consistent manner to evaluate if we think that he can be in that spot. It doesn't really matter what we think. The Saints are going to go with him if they believe in him. Good stuff. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So, interesting story. James Hardin wasn't on a call with other NBA superstars this week. Chris Paul, LeBron, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Janice, Kauai, Steph, Damian Lillard, Russell Westbrook. Noticably absent on the call was James Hardin, CP3, head of the Players Association. And they don't want to get along. Let me defend James Hardin on this.

James Hardin, and I've been watching the NBA for 40 years, and there's always been a James Harden. He's going to go down is a great score. Is he a winner? Is he a leader? When you watch the NBA for 40 years, there's always been a James. Back in the 70s, it was a guy named George Gervin. He had a poster. He had a nickname. He had his own shot, the finger roll. He had five times he was all NBA first team. Four time scoring champ. No titles. Wasn't all. He was. He was a NBA first team. He had five times. He was all NBA first team. He was a team. He was a title. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was. He was his fault, but no titles. And then in the early 2000s, we had Alan Iverson. No titles, but scoring titles. Both Gervin and Alan Iverson were beloved, street cred. But they were sort of like independent solo acts, right? They were like, if they were politicians, they'd be libertarians.

They weren't on either side. And that's what I appreciate about James Harden. He's sort of this independent solo act. He's going to go down as an all-time great player, and that is a great legacy. Like, not everybody that's successful was popular in high school. Like there's always the kid that's a little off or a little different, goes his own path. That is James Harden. He didn't go to Duke.

He didn't go to Kansas. He wasn't good enough to come out of high school and go to the pros. He went to Arizona State. He started on the bench. First team traded him. And then he just kind of became this incredible player who's into fashion, into scoring, does his own thing, kind of ball-centric. Style doesn't necessarily work in the postseason. But he's going to be a top 50 all-time player.

He's going to be a top 10 all-time score. And that is a great thing to beat. We tend to forget there was sports before we were alive and existed or sports before we watched. I've seen James Harden. It's called George Gervyn. Alex English had a little bit of this. Alan Iverson had a lot of this. And it's a great legacy to have.

George Gervin was cool. The Iceman, the poster. I had it on my wall. I love George Gervin. I didn't care that he didn't win titles. You know, it's funny. We spend so much time talking about titles now. And it's because Michael Jordan was so great.

We demand that you not only win titles, you win them every time you go. Jerry West, his nickname is Mr. Clutch. He'll be on our show Monday, by the way. Jerry West's nickname, Mr. Clutch. I could be wrong on this, but I think the first 10 times he went to the finals, he lost. And he was the logo. He was Mr. Clutch. Bill Russell had seven.

How many Bill Russell had like 11 titles, 11 titles? We didn't call him Mr. Clutch. We called Jerry West Mr. Clutch. But Michael Jordan, of course, changed all that. It's okay being James Hart. He's an all-time score, an all-time independent solo act, and his legacy is going to be fantastic. Piles of money, lots of scoring titles, and that's okay.

Coming up next, I know everybody doesn't like Roger Goodell, at least the media doesn't, but once again, smart people got him on the phone and asked for his guidance. That is coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays,

the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Keer Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guest. I'm talking. Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so wrapped up in the chase that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard

watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth. Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions, bro. Absolutely. And that's the, That's two different levels of trust. I want you to just really be a good person. Join me, Kear Gaines, as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose

on my new podcast, Learn the Hardway. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim?

Well, you can find you. out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so you know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. And, yes, I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clever Taylor the Fourth. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This lineback coach is. This linebacker walks up to me, he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

What? Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Where's she at? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Two things here.

the Power 5 commissioners in college football all got together and called NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. Of course they did because he's smart. And they called him to ask about protocols because the NFL was ahead of college football. Can you imagine college basketball coaches calling Adam Silver? They think he hates them. Roger Goodell understands the value of college football,

the value of helping it and elevating it and assisting it and helping it flourish. Of course he does. The NFL is pulling away from other sports in this country. The NBA sometimes is more stylish and can be fascinating, but the NBA has two problems. We don't watch their games, number one. We watch their highlights.

You don't make a lot of money as a league with highlights. You make it on your TV contracts. And their second biggest problem is 95% of their TV contracts are in cable. The NFL would never allow a Super Bowl near cable. The reality is college football is why Tua leads the NFL. Think of all the stars in the NFL. Tua now leads in jersey sales. Tua!

Many suggest he won't even play this year. Tua! The number one draft pick and the NBA draft coming up is, I don't know. He played college basketball for three minutes. College basketball is not asking to take a player for four or five years, three or four, two or three. Nine months, go to college, use it as a player. platform. That's how we all know Zion get rich. The NBA comes across as anti-NBA. NBA comes across as anti-college basketball. The NFL totally embraces college football. You know,

because it's a free marketing platform. They adopt their rules. They adopt their schemes. They elevate their players. Tua is leading in Jersey sales. Well, that's because he's a new player. You know how many new NFL guys are in? Nobody's buying their jersey. It's not about new with jersey sales. If you look at the top 10 jersey sellers, Tom Brady for the last 10 years has been on it. Aaron Rogers still planning

Green Day has been on it. Russell Wilson in Seattle. So not a shock. All right. So I've got to play some audio. Eric Mangini, former NFL coach Brown's Jets, this is something I think about all the time. And I don't know why I think about it,

because I'm never going to be an NFL coach. But when I got into this business, and I still do this, I borrow a lot. There's an old saying, Tony Bennett, the legendary singer, steal from everybody. It's called

research. If you steal from one guy, you're a thief. You steal from everybody. It's just called research. I'm constantly watching, looking, grabbing, yes, that fits. Let me modify it for my personality. So, Man Jeannie was on with Chris Carlin in New York talking to him, radio guy.

and the question is Joe Judge is the new coach of the New York Giants. And the question was asked is, why don't any of Belichick's assistance? I mean, they have this proximity to genius. Why don't they work? And Eric Mangini, who also had a proximity to Belichick, talked about it. There's going to be plenty of landmine. Look, Bill Belechick is untouchable. and he's not necessarily Mr. Personality when it comes to the media,

and I don't think a lot of people in the media appreciate that. So when you're not Bill Belichick, and you may want to have some of the same philosophies and approaches, but I do think it's really important to do it in your own way. And that's one of the lessons that I learned in New York, and I had two very strong football fathers. I had Bill Belichick and I had Bill Parcells, and Joe's had some strong football fathers, too,

and Nick Saban and Bill Belichick. And it's hard as a young head coach to say, I'm going to do things differently than these two incredible football minds. And you almost think, who am I to go against the system that they've shown over and over again works. And that's true. But you can still do it in the way that's authentically your personality. And that would be the advice that I would give them. So this to me is a fascinating topic.

When you start a business, how important is new? How important is invention? Isn't Lyft borrowing from Uber? Like, I've always thought inventions overrated. Don't create people like sports talk radio. 93% of the country listens to radio. People like radio. They like audio.

They like podcasting. Don't try to invent the wheel. Like, talk about the world. primary subjects. If you do sports radio, talk a lot about the NFL. Find a handful of NBA stars, talk about them. If there's a big fight, talk about that. If Tiger wins a major, talk about that. Talks a major college football, SEC, big dogs, your Oklahoma's, your Ohio states. Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Talk about the stuff the audience likes. Don't try to shame the audience or socially engineer what they should like about. Talk about what they like about. Just make it more

interesting. But Joy, this is something I've thought about this a lot. Why do Belichick's assistants mostly fail? Now, I have another theory on this is because Belichick is the closest thing we've ever had to a football genius. So Andy reads assistants flourish. They all win. That doesn't mean Andy's not smart. But Andy's personality, Andy is a teacher. He's a mentor. He's like that really cool college professor, and you end up becoming a teacher because you adored your college professor. Andy's personality is very much, I'm going to find you the player and work around you, and that's why all of Andy's guys work.

And they work instantly, like John Harbaugh's and Doug Peterson. They work immediately. Sometimes they don't have a lot of experience beyond Andy Reed, but he is a teacher. Belichick's not a teacher. He's a genius. And you can never duplicate. Steve Jobs could not teach you to be as nimble intellectually as Steve Jobs. He was just lightning.

You can't catch it. You can't, you can see a cloud move slowly in front of you, right? You can grab rain. You can't catch lightning. And I think, and this is not a knock on anybody else. But if you look at the coaching trees of every other great coach, of Bill Walsh's, and he had a little bit of genius in him, too. You have a lesson, you have a style, you have a system.

Belichick has no system. He's got no system. He's brilliant, but there's no system to him. In fact, if you look at the history of Bill Belichick, he owns coaches with systems. Sean McBade's got a system. Who does Belichick not own? Andy Reed. Because Andy like that, he's just a teacher.

Andy doesn't have a system. Andy is a play designer, and it frustrates the hell out of Belichick, because every time he faces Andy, he's got different personnel in different plays. Bill loves facing system guys because he's so smart, he can always find the hole in the system. But a lot of this is always like, why don't, why don't, is Belichick hide stuff from people? No, he didn't hide stuff. Brian Flores, I think, is what's interesting is that Mangini said, you've got to be your own guy. But if you watch Brian Flores, he's stealing a lot of.

lot of Belichick stuff. He's the first coach that I look at and I think, oh, God, he's just doing what Belichick does. He's paying corners. He's accumulating draft picks. He's drafting his quarterback very early. We're going to take a chance on him. There's a lot of skeptics on Tua and Tom Brady. I'm going to go and get him. And you can see he got rid of some guys who were expensive, but he felt were fairly replaceable, but he spends money on the corner. And he, if immediately Brian Flores gets the smart linebacker and the. great corner. That's Belichick. Belichick's always got the linebacker he likes and the corner he likes.

And then it's situationally, he can create the pass rush. He doesn't need a great, expensive pass rush guy. So, and my belief is in our business, don't reinvent the wheel. I would be more Brian Flores. If I worked with, you know, let's say my, let's say I 'd work with Paul Harvey and then Rush Limbaal

or Howard Stern, I would take a lot of what they did and say, I'm just going to modify it, but basically I'd take what they did. Because I think reinventing the wheel is wildly overrated. There's a saying in the business, nothing is new. Nothing. Like, so to me, borrowing is, I hear it all the time. I have,

there's a lot of young guys in the country. They reach out to me and I'm always like, take my best stuff. Like, figure out away, I'll sit down and have lunch. I don't be like, you know how I do this? You should do that with your name. Like, you should create multiple segments that are tied to you. And I, by the way, go for it. Steal away. Like,

I get it. I don't care. Like, LeBron James has a great quote about this. LeBron said this once. He goes, do what you want with my game. Rip it, criticize it. Copy it, mimic it. It's out there. I am playing basketball, a sport I love. What you do with it, I don't care.

If it motivates you, great. If I make mistakes and you go the opposite, what do I care? Use my game to do whatever it is. Like Kobe copied MJ. I mean, there's videos out there where Kobe's game. Kobe was a complete student of the game. Proximity to genius doesn't make you a genius, but it can make you smarter.

But I think the issue with Belichick is what you said, personality. There's a lot of smart people. But what makes Ryan Flores so similar to Belichick is his personality. Even watching him on the draft. He's not a big smiler. He's a very serious guy. That to me, like aside from the moves that he makes, he has a similar kind of energy that Belichick has.

That was a really interesting comment. Proximity, would you say it again? Proximity to a genius doesn't make you a genius, but it can't make you smarter. Goulet is so much smarter today than he was 10 years ago. Used to be hockey scores and sound effects. The guy now is popping out. How about this week?

Goulet came out with that great topic. He did, yeah. You get nothing like that six years ago. I was just hoping he showed up for work and had bathed. I mean, now he's giving me segments. This is not fair to Gouet. We don't have a camera for him. We can't have a camera for him because we're not allowed to have a camera in the studio.

All right. Jeff Gordon is around the corner. Jason McIntyre. Tomorrow's headlines today on a Friday. Don't go anywhere. In L.A. It's the hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app.

Ah, we're live in L.A. It's hour three. Sunny out today. This is The Herd, wherever you may be. However you may be listening, IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. Joy and I came back to the studio on Wednesday. Yes. Third straight day. I will say this. The sanitation level here is amazing. You can smell the disinfectant. Parking garage, get out to take your temperature.

And all that stuff. Everybody wearing masks. We're in this gigantic studio. And it just feels, I feel like it's just lots of air and lots of space. And Joyce enjoys about 12 feet for me or more. I'm probably about 15. And then Goulet is back there. We don't have camera operators.

That's why you see a single shot. We have two cameras. That one. and that one. And so we have a kind of a skeleton staff or making it work. But it's been fun, right? Yeah, it has.

We do miss everyone, but it is a temporary situation. We don't even have snacks here anymore. We don't have snacks, no. I bring my coffee from home. I got a cup of coffee. Yeah. But I do feel very safe. I will say that.

Yeah. The energy is good. We've done an amazing job. Fifteen minutes. NASCAR is Jeff Gordon. Fox is Jeff Gordon, the return of Darlington the race this weekend. best for last Jason McIntyre stopping by

so former linebacker James Harrison made a claim that he 10 years ago and he knocked a football player out Browns he got an envelope from Mike Tomlin Art Rooney has denied any involvement by Mike Tomlin this morning and James Harrison went to his Instagram

said Mike T has never paid me for hurting somebody or trying to hurt somebody or put a bounty on anybody he wrote in a lengthy Instagram post host. James Harrison's agent also came out today, said it never happened. Absolutely never happened. He said the hit was brutal. By the way, it was completely legal. He was fine, $75,000 for that, by the way. It was a legal hit for the entirety of the NFL until that day. They decided it wasn't. James and I are still together. Together were close for 18 years, but it never happened. So anyway, after hearing these claims yesterday by James Harrison, Sean Payton coached the Saints, they had their bounty gate, he was suspended. He always feels a little bit like the Saints get the short end of the stick. If people are waiting for the league to investigate that, they shouldn't hold their breath.

I would be shocked. That'll be something that's tucked away or under the rug at Park Avenue. They'll look into it briefly. Don't get me started on that. Get you back in the dog house, coach. You know, honestly, something I'll never truly get over because I know how it was handled and how it was run and the reasons behind it. And that's just the truth.

Oh, Lord. First of all, James Harrison thing happened 10 years ago. We just found out about it. Statute of limitations maybe. James is out of the league. Okay. Mike Tomlin shouldn't say anything. It's over.

The bounty gate was different. The NFL found out about it either while it was still going on or it just happened and the players were all still in the league and Peyton was, you know, one of the stars, celebrity coaches in the league at the time. And so the NFL increased concern about safety, found out in the moment or close to the moment, players still in the league and said,

yeah, suspensions fines the like. Okay, big difference between something happens and you discover it 10 years ago and I'll get to the pandemic part of this and I discovered it now. Now the Saints can say, well, well, I mean, we weren't the only ones doing it. A lot of bank robbers don't get caught.

The ones who do get in big trouble. It's called the speed limit. Everybody goes over it. You ever gone to a cop and say, you know, the guy going next to me was going much faster? They're not interested. You roll the dice in life if you're going to cheat on your taxes. You're going to rob a bank. You're going to do bounties.

You may not be the only person doing it, but if you get caught, you're in big trouble. The Saints got caught. The NFL, there's this thing about New Orleans that they think the league is after him. Why in the world would the NFL not love the Saints? They play Super Bowls there. They have maybe the most creative offensive coach. They have an incredibly likable Hall of Fame quarterback. Post-Katrina, there is a resilience to the city I think we all admire.

People love New Orleans. Now, the New Orleans NBA franchise nobody cares about. New Orleans in Green Bay are the two, and this is why the NFL is king, small markets, thrive. The Packers and the Saints are two of the top seven or eight brands in the league in tiny cities. Everybody likes New Orleans. It's America's party city. You go, you eat oysters, you party, you throw up, they clean it up. Nobody knows you come back home and do your job at work. Everybody likes New Orleans. Nobody's picking on New Orleans. The NFL last year, and the NFL's well run, did the single dopeous thing I've seen perhaps in 20, 30 years. They created a past

interference replay. It was so ridiculous, so reactionary. that officials silently protested it. Replay officials, real officials, GMs, people protested it. But the NFL felt some need to take care of New Orleans. And it's like, okay, they kind of got a job. No, they didn't, by the way. The game went to overtime, and they blew it twice. Their offense blew it, and their defense blew it in overtime.

Yeah, that was a bad call. It happens. It happens all the time. College football, pro football. Ohio State fans are still yelling about a call against Clemson. It's sports. Brian Russell of the Jazz still thinks MJ Pee. pushed him. It's sports.

They're bad calls, bad throws, bad tackles, bad everything, bad coaching. Yeah, the NFL's not going to go back and worry about something 10 years ago. They're trying to get a season. They have 1,700 players. They're trying to take care of them. They cannot afford not to have a season. So if the NFL doesn't

consume itself or concern itself with what happened 10 years ago, yeah, there's sort of something going on that we're all paying attention to, especially in places like Nevada and Miami and New Orleans. that deal a huge part of their economy is tourism. And right now, nobody wants to get in an airplane.

So, yes, the NFL's worried about now, not 10 years ago, nor should they be. This idea is becoming so almost laughable now that the NFL's out to get New Orleans. Everybody likes New Orleans. Who doesn't like New Orleans? Who doesn't like the Saints? I mean, outside of a rival in division, they mostly don't like the Saints because the Saints beat them. Everybody likes New Orleans. The NFL likes New Orleans.

And stop enough. Bounty gate, you got caught. You rob banks, get caught, you get tagged. It's the way it works. Now, let me now shift gears to something. I'm going to go in a different direction than what I'm hearing from everybody else on this. People are ripping Blake Snell. He's a baseball player. And they're ripping Blake Snell. And they're saying Blake Snell, all he cares about is money, money, money, money. And I do admit the optics of talking about money gets really ugly. I said it. I admit it. But I thought about this in the last couple of days.

So here's Blake Snell talking about I'm not, you want me to take pay cut after, pay cut after pay cut. I'm not doing it. Y'all got to understand, too, because y'all going to be like, bro, Blake, play for the love of the game, man. What's wrong with you, bro? Money should not be a thing.

Bro, I'm risking my life. What do you mean? It should not be a thing. thing. It 100% should be a thing. If I'm going to play, I should be getting money I sign to be getting paid. I should not be getting half of what I'm getting paid because the season's cut in half. On top of a 33% cut of the half that's already there, on top of that, it's getting taxed. So imagine how much I'm actually making the play. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to defend him. The optics aren't good, but let's not worry about optics during a virus. Let's worry about

like data and science and stuff, not how stuff lands on Twitter. Let me defend Blake Snow, who's a really good player. Who's taking the risk in all these sports? The athlete. In unique times, you have to have unique positions and strategies. Generally in my life, I have often supported owners. I've been part of businesses in my life. I have some ownership in the show. You know, I see the owner's side. the capital, the risk. Who's taking the risk? It's not the players.

It's not the billionaires. This is the one time in my life, I'm going to go for the players on this in all sports. A, they're taking the physical risk. B, they're leaving their families. In the NBA, they're going to have to play thousands of miles from their families. Grandmas, grandpas, family,

they don't know what's going on. They don't know what's going on with their family. They're not there to support them. They can't fly back. And the third thing is, if the play Players say no. Owners have no leverage. Owners could not say today you have to play. Absolutely not. This is an agreement between everybody. And I hear this all the time. Well, I mean, owners are going to lose billions. There's a reason people don't sell baseball teams very often.

Frank McCourt was forced to sell it. Okay. Let's take the Dodgers, because I'm in Los Angeles. The Dodgers were purchased eight years ago for $2 billion. At the time, you may recall, ho-ho, that is ridiculous. And they're not even worth half that. Eight years later, there were $3.3 billion. I'm going to do some quick math. Actually, I did it two hours ago.

$1.3 billion of growth in eight years. The Dodgers' equity grows $162 million a year. players never get part of that and by the way because of the instability in the stock markets around the world because of the instability of the housing markets where are the world's wealthy investing pro sports franchises

they're growing and growing and growing and growing and the players don't get any they just get a salary and I know business guys are saying hey cowherd the owners take the risk. So I want to stay with that word risk for a second because capitalists love the word risk. I risk. I am risking the big money. All right. We'll use that word. You love to just throw at players all the time. Risk. On your private jet, everybody masks and gloves. Four people.

What's the risk in the billionaire suite? What's the risk in your castle slash mansion? There is none. The risk, the word you love to use, operative word here, is all on the players. NBA players, hockey players, soccer players, baseball players. Owners, give one to the players. This is the year. You're going to make $100 million. When LeBron went to Cleveland, Dan Gilbert made $500 million.

equity of his franchise in an hour. Players don't get part of that. They don't get part of any of that. They get a salary and taxed. Yeah, like Steph Curry pays a higher tax rate in California than I do. Why? Because I can file as a business owner. He's an employee.

That's why guys like LeBron have businesses on the side so they can at least shelter or, you know, manipulate like owners can do some of their shoe business and some of their movie business and some of their TV business. I'm not anti-owner. I'm often pro-owner. But this is the year I will overwhelmingly side with players because of that word owners always love to use.

I'm taking the risk. This year, none of it. It's all on the athletes. Rockstar Jeff Gordon. NASCAR, Fox this weekend, Darlington, it's back. How different will it be? We've got sports. UFC last week.

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Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. In just two days, It's a day we've all been waiting for as NASCAR returns Sunday at 3.30 Eastern on Fox. And remember to record your personal Darlington Race Day experience and upload your video to hashtag 100K cams. Then tune in to FS1 on Sunday, May 24th at 3 Eastern to see the show and see if you made the cut. Well, it's interesting because not a lot of practice.

You know, you think to yourself like zero practice. So you're going to go from zero to 160 miles an hour, no practice. Now, in football, it's different, right? Like, there'll be some semblance of practice, but these guys haven't practiced. Jeff, yeah, you just pray the pit crew's got the brakes right, steering wheels all right, because you're going to go 160 miles an hour. Darlington's kind of a historic track. Jeff Gordon, who I've talked to numerous times, fascinating guy.

Jeff has 93 career wins. He started, I want to get this right. 700, this number, 797. consecutive races over 24 seasons. Just didn't miss them. You think Cal Ripkin didn't miss starts. How about that? Jeff Gordon joining us via the Coward

Global Satellite Network. All right, so you had great success there. So let's, first of all, NASCAR drivers are a little like golfers. There are tracks and there are courses that they're more comfortable on. You are always comfortable here.

And for somebody, we're going to have viewers this weekend, Jeff, that may not be weekly NASCAR viewers. What was it about Darlington that worked for you and what makes it a historic track? Yeah, I mean, I think it was the first, you know, super speedway on the NASCAR circuit. So a lot of historical facts there. And it's just a grind. I mean, this track, the racetrack eats up the tires. So the grip goes away extremely fast. The way the track is shaped. Both ends of the race track are completely different. So you have turns one and two that these drivers are going to get that green flag on Sunday and go down in there. It barely can fit cars side by side, but the line is right up next to the wall. So, you know, when you're pushing a car on

the edge at 160, 170 miles per hour and you're only an inch away from the wall, you want to have some practice. You want to know and have confidence in what your race car is going to do with the grip's going to be like. They're not going to have any of that. But I think most, you're most of the Most importantly, everybody's just excited to get back to racing. This is a passion that you have. And no different than any other sport, you become accustomed to doing it weekend and week out. And when that hasn't happened, you're left empty.

And I think NASCAR has done a great job with the track, the teams, along with Fox, to get prepared to come back and do it safely. And I can't think of a better racetrack than that to have. happen. Then at Darlington, it's going to be a big challenge for these teams and these drivers, but it's going to be exciting for us and all the viewers. What's interesting is this track eats up tires, meaning more tire changes, meaning pit crews are very valuable. Now, when you haven't worked with pit crews, you know, there's going to be some racing teams that may be buttoned up and tight, and others could be a little sloppier. Do you think pit crew stops could end up deciding

the race? Well, they decide to race, you know, in a normal, normal circumstances. So with these unique circumstances and the challenges at hand of them not having time to get reps, to get prepared, it's only going to make what happens on pit road, I believe that much more important. I think we're going to see the best drivers rise to the top, the best teams rise to the top, as well as the best pit crews. I mean, it's always a total team effort. But I think, you know, this weekend, and as we start getting into a lot of racing, I mean, we're going to see racing on Sunday. Then again, Wednesday, again, the following weekend, to make up for a lot of these races

that have not been happening, it is going to take a toll on the physicality of the drivers as well as, you know, these pit crews. I mean, again, so many different fascinating storylines to talk about that is going to make this one to watch on Sunday. You had the greatest NASCAR season ever, 98, you won 13 times. Obviously, you're in your groove, your wheelhouse in 1998. Again, let's go back to this. I would look outside thinking, you get in behind a wheel, you're always comfortable, but you've had no practice. Will it change the way, guys, will it be a more conservative race for the first 40 laps?

Take me to your career. Were you always comfortable? Were there tracks, you were less comfortable? Were there layoffs that limited your comfort? to kind of take me inside how you see this race going? There's no doubt. Every driver has a style, has a feel for how they push the car, how they find the limit. And some tracks complement that style and some tracks really challenge. You know, to me, it didn't matter where I went to.

You know, if I didn't feel good about that track, I tried to find ways that I could be better, how we can make the car better. The team would challenge me the same way. And so, you know, I think Darlington was one of those ones that, just fit, you know, for me right away. The type of racing that I grew up doing, high bank, very fast racetracks, you know, more of a short track style, even though this is a mile on a third racetrack and very fast, it does have more of a short track feel. So I think those types of drivers that excel under those circumstances are the drivers that we're going to see

excel here on Sunday. But, you know, you talk about being conservative. Absolutely. I mean, this is a long race. You know, the drivers have not been. been in the car for a long time and they need to be conservative. But you know, there's always that driver that says, I'm going to be conservative. And the one starting right next to him is saying, I'm going to take advantage of that driver next to me that's going to be conservative. So tires are going to be a big issue here. I think the first 20, 30 laps of conserving those tires until you can take a look at them on pit road, lay some rubber down onto the racetrack, get into a rhythm, get into a groove. I think you're definitely going to see the drivers pick up the pace,

you know, pretty quickly. Once they get a feel for the car, the grip level and the balance and then you understand what's happening with the tires, then it's going to be back to business as usual. So Jimmy Johnson, this is his last season. And I want you to start with this. Go to your last year. Were you a different driver? Were you more cautious?

Were you more aggressive? Did you understand your legacy? Where there are certain times that you thought, listen, this is my last time on this track. I'm going to be hyper aggressive here. What do you think is going through Jimmy Johnson's mind? remarkable all-time career, and this is it. Yeah, that's a great question because a guy like Jimmy who's won so much, he's accomplished everything, you want to go out on top.

You want to, you know, interact with your fans. You want to, you know, have these great lasting memories with your race team in your final season. And I got to believe that, you know, having these weeks off and, you know, has played a bit of a toll there. And so I think he's wanting to get back to it because I think he has a very strong race car and race team. I mean, we've seen, you know, the Chevroles are stronger this year. The Hendrick Chevroles are stronger. He's in the top five in points right now. He wants to get back to racing and go show that he can win and maybe even contend for a championship in this final

season. So I think, you know, all these memories and moments, you know, in your final year, you look at it as this is the last time I'm going to do this. So I want to do this. So I want to do it at my absolute best. I want to put everything into it and, and, you know, lay it out there on the line. To me, Jimmy Johnson is not the kind of guy that goes out, you know, doing it conservatively. He wants to do it aggressively. And, you know, I think this is the best way for him to do that is to get back out there on the racetrack. And also, he's very physically fit. So I think this could play out in Jimmy Johnson's favor if going from a racetrack on Sunday back to that track on on Wednesday the hotter humid temperatures.

I think his fitness level is going to also allow him to excel right now. You know, being a NASCAR driver similar to being a catcher on a hot Saturday afternoon when you play, you put that gear on, you walk out, you could lose nine pounds. Darlington is a long race. I want you to give my audience some sense. In your Darlington races, it is a marathon, it is not a sprint. When that race was over, Jeff. And you've had that gear on and the track is humid.

You're not a guy that I think, I mean, I don't know this, but you're like a guy with abs. I've heard about guys like that. I used to have abs. They've gone, you know, catering up in the booth is not the same as sweating that race car. When you were done with Darlington, how exhausted were you? Did it compare to other races? And like, was there weight loss? The last 12, 15 laps?

I mean, are you just holding on? Absolutely. I can remember some of the toughest physical races that I went through were at Darlington. You've got, you know, hot temperatures. Also high humidity, you know, here in the southeast. So that also exerts more energy, makes you work harder. You're going to, you'll lose more fluids. So it's very hard to stay hydrated. This racetrack demands your absolute focus because it's so fast, because you run an inch off the wall, you cannot relax at this. racetrack and because of that you're using more energy and and it's going to be tougher physically and and so you know i can remember times of this track where i'd get through the corner you know in a race car you don't really breathe through the corners you kind of hold your breath you're loaded into the into the seat and the g loads pull against your body and push against your lungs you don't really take a breath until you get on the straightaway i can remember being at this racetrack and gasping for air on those straightaways just trying to

to catch my breath, especially with these drivers. I mean, they're fit. Don't get me wrong. They're more fit today than I ever was in my career. But I still think there's something about being in race shape and being in the car, weekend and week out. These drivers have not done that. So I think these first 30, 40 laps are going to be a bit of a wake-up call.

And then those last 40, 50 laps are definitely going away on them. By the way, over your left shoulder, I see a race car. What is that? What is that thing? Right over your left shoulder, there's a gold car. What is that? Well, I've been spent a lot of time in this office during this time and doing interviews and meetings. And so I had to redecorate a little bit.

My wife came in and helped me out. I've got a couple of things that mean a lot to me in here. Obviously, that's the gold trophy that Goodyear gives away for winning a championship. That's the very first Brickyard 400 trophy that I won back in 1994. Over my other shoulder, some people might remember when I drove an F1 car, me and Juan Pablo Montoya, swap cars. He drove my car at Indianapolis. I drove his car for an exhibition. That's actually the steering wheel

off of that Williams BMW Formula One car. And a beautiful family. I can see them as well. Jeff, it's great talking to you again. Great talking to you. Excited to get back to the racetrack. You know, sports are important to all of us. And racing, we're all very passionate about it. So Sunday's going to be very special.

Thanks, Jeff. Thank you. You know, you forget about that. The G-forces and the turns. You are literally have a I mean how Goulet how heavy is a NASCAR suit 12 pounds 15 I imagine at the end when you've been sweating in it

for three hours and by the way the track you're talking about in the south it's 91 degrees in humid I mean it's unbelievable you go around the corner It's not the heat that gets you as to humidity yeah middle of the day race middle of the day race here's Joy Taylor with the news

no no no turn on the news this is the herd line news It's very impressive what they're able to do. I just even hearing him talk about it, like being in race shape and the like just the feeling of the car. I've been in a NASCAR. I've been twice. I've done a story on it.

Once in Portland and once in Tampa. You can't believe the suit. I put the suit on to eight laps. You just flop sweats. It's like hockey gear. I mean, it's literally like it's going to be 89 degrees humid midday race on that track with an 18 pound suit on and a helmet. Okay.

So the Seahawks are bringing back a familiar face to back up Russell Wilson next season. They are reportedly re-signing Gino Smith to a one-year deal. He was in Seattle in 2019, but did not see the field. The last time I'm playing was 2018 with the Chargers. He went one for four for eight yards. Yeah. I think we know what Gino Smith is at this point. Perfect backup.

Perfect might be a little bit of a stretch. I'm going to feel, listen, it's not that I'm not confident in Gino Smith and come in and be a serviceable backup. backup. But if you had to have Gino Smith for, say, three to four games. Not as great. Right. Marcus Marriota is a really good backup. Yes. Can win you games and is low profile.

James Winston. Yes. But these are also very extreme situations where those guys were starting quarterbacks last season and are now serving as backups. But the bigger story here, of course, was the report about them possibly being interested in Cam Newton as the backup, which sent you into a frenzy. Yeah, I did. I'm not going to lie.

Speaking of Marcus Marriota, he lost the starting jobs, Ryan Tannihil after a two and four start last year. But former Titans quarterback Logan Ryan says that Mariotta still helped the team get better by going after the defense in practice. He started killing us every single week. Like he started ripping us in practice. I mean, Marcus Mariotta was the practice quarterback and he was destroying us. And it made us better. Another perk to having a recently start, a backup that was recently a starting quarterback. in the league. They're going to be a huge step up for your practices, as opposed to someone who

hasn't seen the field for a couple years. I don't think this will be a huge trend moving forward, but I do think that the league is kind of saturated when it comes to quarterbacks. Like there was a period in time where it was much harder to find a serviceable backup and a strong starter. We have James Winston backing up. We have Nick Foles backing up. We have Marcus Moriota backing up. We have James Winston back. Those are backups. Andy Dalton's backing up. Yeah.

Like these are starters who are now backups. Cam Newton may be a backup at some point this season. Yeah. That tells you the saturation point. There's not Jacksonville and even Gardner Minchu was shockingly good last year. Like surprisingly good. Surprisingly capable. I just think that there's a lot.

There's so much strong young talents where in the past young guys would come in and you wouldn't even think of them. Overwhelming in as starters. and now they're taking over for veterans. So it's just a different NFL. Finally, the Warriors solidified their dynasty by adding Kevin Durant in 2016, and they are reportedly looking to revamp the franchise again

by landing Janus. But Anthony Slater of the Athletic laid out why the path to get Janus is going to be much more difficult than it was to get Durant. He said the biggest issue is with the cap space, now that Steph, Clay, and Draymond all have huge contracts, Golden State wouldn't be able to keep all three and add Janus to the mix. But they also got a break when the salary cap was increased from $70 million to $94.4 million with the new TV deal when they signed Kevin Durant.

Obviously, you know, the cap might take a hit because it's likely to take a hit because of the pandemic. Oh, yeah. So a sign and trade is really the only feasible option for the Warriors to get Janus. Obviously, this all depends on if Janus wants to leave Milwaukee in the first place. Andrew Wiggins is considered a likely piece for that trade. and they would also likely have to lose Clay or Draymond's. So this is kind of, this is like a rumbling thing that's out there, but it's not going to be as simple as when Kevin Durant came.

It's really the timing is not great for Golden State because I do think Janus would leave in a normal season if he got to the Eastern Conference finals, was beat by Boston because Chris Middleton just didn't step up, like Chris Middleton last year in the playoffs against Toronto. I do think Janus would go, okay, I scored 37 a game and we couldn't win, And I think that's why stars Kevin Durant would have stayed in O KC if he was winning titles. Or even if they made it to the finals and he just didn't get help.

He lost in five or got swept or something. Yeah. Yeah, but now you don't have a season. And potentially if you don't have a season, you just, be honest, stays in Milwaukee. And so it's weird. Like, Golden State gets a break. That's a disadvantage for Golden State. The break they get is in the year they're rebooting, they didn't have to play and humiliate themselves for, you know, entire season.

Well, also, they're all older now. Steph Clay and Jemon are not. in their mid-20s when KD joins the Warriors. Right, but I'm saying as far as Jan is coming, it's not the same situation. Like they're all coming up, well, not all, but like Clay's coming off of an injury. There's a down year for the Warriors. It's not like when KD stepped in and they were coming off of a finals loss to the Cavs in the last second Kyrie's shot.

You know, it's not as seamless as it was when Durant came. I don't actually see this happening. But, you know, obviously the Andrew Wiggins. thing got it started. I think the Warriors are going to have to rebuild their dynasty with the core that they have. The core's not bad. No, it's not bad, but the West is very different now.

Yeah, it is. I enjoy it with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline Check it out, MDrive Relax.com. MDrive Relax.com. Everybody's stressing out these days. Right now, 50% off. Hall of Famer, Jerry West does indeed join us Monday.

And Jason McIntyre, Tomorrow's headlines today is coming up next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. From his luxurious place of residence, he lives close to me, but I never run into him. But our beaches are open now. So you can go down to the beaches. Jason McIntyre is now joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. So, and Joy, you said you've been going out, right? Yeah, I try to walk. I have.

I've been taking the kids on bike rides. We are now a biking family, Colin, and I went for a nice leisurely jog on the beach this morning. Clear my head. Get ready for this always fun segment that we do. All right. So, Joy, you said you were moving around a little bit. Yeah. The beaches are open for, like, walking and stuff.

I think Jason said that he went for a run. You can surf and walk. You can surf and walk. Yeah. You can't sit or play volleyball. You know, you can move around. You're supposed to wear a mask, by the way. Yes, in L.A., you have to wear a mask.

Was where people wearing masks? Can I not comment on that on TV? Listen, if you're running or biking, you're kind of okay to be moving around. They don't want you, as Joyce said, you don't want to be stopping, hanging out on a blanket on the beach, or definitely indoors. You've got to wear a mask. But outside, Fauci thinks you're okay. All right. So it's called tomorrow's headlines today.

Jason McIntyre, what will the headline be for Aaron Rodgers? and the Packer this season. He has a press conference starting in 15 minutes, by the way, Jay Mack. Yeah. Well, I know Rogers is a big fan of you at the show, so he's probably watching. I'm going to give you their headline for next season. The Packers headline will be LaFlurting with disaster. I don't mean to be too negative.

I know you like the Lafleur there. But I'm telling you, Colin, this Packers team, you know, history doesn't rhyme. It doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. And if you look at LaFleur, what he's done, he wants to go to the ground game. Okay, they draft the tight end who they're going to try to turn into a fullback. They draft A.J. Dillon. They want to go ground and pound because LaFleur did that with Derek Henry.

Come on, you've got a Hall of Fame quarterback in Aaron Rogers. I see a lot of friction. I don't think it goes well. You know what I said two weeks ago. Detroit Lions are winning this division. I've got the Packers missing the playoff. Very interesting. All right.

tomorrow's headlines today. Russell Wilson and the Seahawks. Been a lot of rumors about Cam Newton, which I didn't love. What will the headlines be this year for Russell? I love Russell Wilson. I'm glad that you guys have a nice bromance going on. He's very talented.

Unfortunately, the headline will be. Wilson cast away from playoffs. Colin, listen, the numbers do not look good. Obviously, a Tom Hanks reference there. The numbers do not look good for Seattle. 10 and 2 in one score games last year. Colin, we've talked about this gambling-wise. Historically year-to-year, that flipped.

And if you look at their point differential last year, it was terrible for an 11-win team. So what does Vegas do for their season win total this year? Nine and a half. They won 11 last year. Colin, I'm just telling you're early. Russell Wilson is surrounded by a really poor supporting cast. They went out and picked up a tight-ended free agency

and drafted two. Again, another team that I don't know what they're doing offensively, Russell Wilson and three clouds of dust, I don't think they make the playoffs next year. All right, that's interesting. All right, we disagree on that. All right, tomorrow's headlines today. What's the headline going to be if Michael Jordan, say,

didn't retire in the mid-90s? Yeah, well, I don't know why we keep using retire. He basically quit. He said, I got three titles. I'm out of here. Okay? If he had come back in 94, the headline would have been Rockets Red Glare, the Bulls, bursting in air. Colin, I'm telling you, I can say this unequivocally.

The Rockets in 94, we know Elajon was the MVP of the league. They beat the Knicks in a thrilling series. They would have beaten Jordan's Bulls that year. And if you look at how those Bulls were built, they did win 55 with Scotty Pippin, and I've been arguing with all these eggs online about the Jordans and the Bulls in 94. The Rockets were the better team. They were better on the wing, and the Bull had nobody to contain with Elijah one. Their center was Bill Cartwright.

He was 36. They had no chance the Rockets would have beat him in 94. Okay. By the way, have you liked the last dance so far? Have you liked it? Oh, I loved it. Now, we talked about getting them in advance, you know, offline last week. Nobody's been able to get their hands on 9 and 10 yet, so I'm flying blind heading into the final weekend of it.

I love it, though. Tomorrow's headlines today. What will the headline be if Jordan's Bulls played Steph Curry's Warriors? You know, we could do an entire three hours on this. There is so much material, and that's because the headline would be, grab the Bulls by its horns. Colin, there is no doubt about this. The 2017 Warriors, Curry, Durant, Igu Dahlia, Clay.

They would smoke those bulls. I know that Rob Parker, my buddy, Chris Bussart, all these guys are angry at me for pushing this Warriors as a better team. I just want to remind you, in the mid-90s, they moved the three-point line in, okay, because scoring was so low to 22 feet. Those were Jordan's most prolific years from three. Then they moved it back to the current distance. He shot 23% from deep. These warriors, Clay, Curry, Durant, they made a living shooting from deep. They were just three more than two.

We know that now. these warriors would have no problem beating Jordan's Bulls and again Igudala on the wing, Clay, Durant, all these bodies to throw at Jordan not small guards. I think Warriors win in five or six against the best Bulls team

from the 90s. Yeah, so you sent me last week, McIntyre, Joy, sent me episode 7 and 8 and I watched them midweek. Nobody can get their hands apparently on episodes 9 and 10. I think episode 7's been the strongest. That was the most emotional. Yeah, I thought that was really, really good.

All right. Now, I'm efforting, Colin, 9 and 10. If anything comes through, I will let you know that that's happening. All right, good stuff. Jay Mack, have a great weekend. We'll see you around. You too as well. All right, good stuff.

Chris Brousard, Andrew Whitworth, Jeff Gordon, and Jason McIntyre on a Friday. So we're very excited about Aaron Rogers holding a press conference in nine, ten minutes, coincidentally, the minute our show ends, holding a press conference, he's going to answer a few questions. Why don't you throw that press conference thing up? I think the questions, I only think there's one or two trap questions. I only think... Are we ready for...

Yeah, I don't think the answers. I think people think it's going to be... I think the answers are all easy. And you can be honest with them. You don't have to lie. I think it's an easy press conference. So give me a couple toughies. This is George from Cheesehead Express blogger.

Yeah. Did you purposely plan this press conference to start a minute after the herd ended, or is just coincidence? I don't even know what you're talking about. I don't even know what that means. I do not acknowledge the existence of whatever the herd is. What was your emotion when you saw that the Green Bay Packers had selected Jordan Love moved up in the first round to take him? Well, my emotion, listen, it was me. They did that to me.

I was Jordan Love. And my emotion when they drafted me was, oh, I fell all the way in the first round. I got something to prove. So I competed every day against Brett Farver to win his job. But, you know, I mean, I bet Jordan Love wants to beat me out. Of course he does. He's a competitor. You can't play Division I football and be as good as he is and not be a competitor.

He's going to compete every day to beat me out for the job. I don't think it's going to happen, but I like that he's going to compete. I like teammates that work hard. What do you think about the reports that Matt LeFleur wants to take more control of the team from you? Well, I think Matt LaFleur's history, he likes to run the football. And I think every quarterback in the history of football is better with a really solid to prolific running game. So, listen, you watch this play the 49ers. You know, if you're dropping back to throw it 35 times against the 49ers, you're in trouble.

They just have too many great players. It's a full of Hall of Fame-level guys. And so, you know, we need a running game. It's better to throw. When you face a great pass rush, it's always better to throw on second and three and third and one than it is on third and ten. So a running game is the ultimate compliment to me. I love running games. You guys run the NFC championship game last year.

You don't have any issue with them not bringing you in more weapons? Well, Devante Adams is going to be a hall of famer. I'm a quarterback. I always want receivers. But nobody ever talks about this because you guys are, you know, people play fantasy football. Nobody cares about offensive linemen. we struggled on the interior last year to block San Francisco.

So we drafted two guards, the center, a blocking tight end and a hard running back. We're going to be a more physical football team this year. I think I benefit with that. Do you have a problem with Colin Cowherd? I'm not going to acknowledge his existence. I don't know who he is.

A lot of people have radio shows and say stuff, but they don't know anything. And, you know, if you want the most honest and accurate information, You go to cheesenugget.com, and they have the breaking stories and all the insight that whatever that guy can't offer. What about his co-host, Joy Taylor? She's excellent. I've never seen the show, but she's excellent.

There you go. All right, we're done. We got through another week. Today was one of those shows. We just had stuff. I don't really feel like we're getting through it. There's like plenty to talk about. No kidding.

So Monday's a great show because Aaron Rogers is going to respond to that. And the Last Dance, episodes 9 and 10. Can't wait. Is there another dog? documentary, because I got to be honest with you. These Monday shows have been cake. There are some good ones coming up. Jerry West on Monday.

Yes. Jerry West joins us on Monday. Hope you're all safe. Be safe. NASCAR on Fox this weekend. And we'll see you Monday. In L.A. It's the herd.

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