The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Saturday Special - Colin sits down with Herm Edwards

Episode Date: August 24, 2019

Former NFL and current Arizona State Head Coach Herm Edwards joins Colin in this exclusive podcast.  They talk about the differences of coaching in the NFL and college, how tough the Pac-12 is and what the Patriots can expect from their first round draft pick and his former player N'Keal Harry. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And years and years ago, I told Herm Edwards, I said, you're one of those NFL guys. You would work in college. You could walk into a living room. Mom would like you, dad would like you, and the kid would like you. And I don't think that's the case with a lot of even NFL legends. And so it's my pleasure to bring in Herm Edwards, Arizona State last year, winning record in the PAC 12, 7 and 6 overall. First of all, coach, this college thing is interesting, Herm, because in the NFL, you know, you get countless hours. to practice. In college, it's reduced to 17 hours a week, Herm. How much of a struggle is getting

that information into that tinier window of practice time? Well, you make a great point, and it is about information. Coaches are knowledge providers, and you have a limited time. Efficiency is one of the things you have to consider, but also what are you asking these players to do? And I think you have to simplify a lot of things in college football, and the fact that You don't have the time, as you would in the NFL. And so with that being said, the better players, the more simple you can become because you figure like your good athletes will win out. And so here we go again, talking about athletes. Talk about recruiting, right?

And that's what college football really is about is about recruiting. You don't have a lot of returners offensively. Last year you ran the football and you played great defense. In fact, that went over Michigan State was one of you. I thought an incredibly well-coached, well-played game, considering that staff was veteran and yours was a brand-new staff. And over the course of the season, you had some big wins. You know, again, you were a don't turn it over, run the football, play defense. Well, we needed to play that way last year knowing that we were going to probably play a young quarterback.

And lo and behold, we're playing a freshman quarterback. Right. So I think you had to establish that last year a little bit of identity. And then also, as you talked about defense, defensively, I think in college football, you need to make some stops. You know, stops are critical. In college football, it's about scoring the ball and how can you limit possessions. Well, you limit it by controlling the clock and not allowing 14 to 15 possessions, keep it in an NFL pace around 12. We were able to do that.

And as you know, we were in a lot of one-score games. It happened to be in nine one-score games that we had the ability to win. Now, we didn't win all of them, but we gave ourselves a chance. For an NFL coach, obviously even the great ones, Belichick, has whiffed on draft picks. Now, but it's harder for you, Herm. You're looking at 17-year-old young men. Take me to the evaluation process from NFL head coach to college head coach. Is it easier?

Is it harder? Well, probably a little harder because you're looking. looking at the developmental growth of a young man that's 17 years old, 18 years old, you know, what are they going to be when they're 21 years? Right. You're trying to look at that guy going, okay, this is what he's going to be, he's going to mature. We can probably put another 20 pounds on him, you know, 25 pounds.

If he's an interior player, he can get stronger. All those things are part of it. But I think the main thing you look at is you look at guys that are hungry to play football, that really have a hunger that is important to them. And be quite honest, Colin, you look for guys that want to go past the college rank to play football, actually going to the NFL. Then you've got a guy that you realize, okay, this guy is all about the game.

Right. He really wants to go to the next level. He wants to come to college, become a student athlete, graduate, and go on and try to make a living doing this. Those are unique players. And when you get four or five of those guys on your football team, on either side of the ball, you're going to be a pretty good team. People forget this, that Nick Saban was losing four games, his third year at LSU.

Even at Alabama, his third year, he had like three losses and then decided, I'm not going on the road at a conference. It takes a long time, and I wouldn't call Arizona State a traditional powerhouse. It takes a long time to build recruiting connections, to build a staff, to get the right offensive coordinator. Now, here's what you did really well last year. You didn't turn it over, and you got after the country. quarterback. You were second in the conference in sacks, and many of your best defensive players now,

you've got sophomores all over your defense. When I watched you play last year, I don't know how complicated it was, but it was an aggressive defense. You went out and got after the quarterback. Again, is that your style? Can you get, can you do more of that at the college level, Herm, because the quarterbacks are just less sophisticated. They're kids. Well, I think you have the ability to do that if you have the secondary that can cover. And that's why, for me, in college football, the way we play our defense, we play a 3-3-5. So we actually play with five secondary players. That allows you to keep your defense on the field regardless of what the personnel is.

And I think the better you are defensively, it starts in the back end of your defense. Can you cover men? Can you play man to man? And when you can do that, you make the quarterback hold the ball. You take away a lot of those quick throws. Now, with that being said, you know, you might give up one or two. But I think the matchup is obviously on the perimeter because they spread you out anymore in college football. You see college football.

There's one back. There's four receivers. There's three receivers in the tight end. So you can play zone, and these quarterbacks will pick you apart. I mean, they'll just throw the short game on you all day, and you've got to be able to stop that. And the only way you can stop is you've got to play some man-to-man. Hard knocks, you were part of that in Kansas City. Arizona State was mentioned as one of the teams that could be part of the college hard knocks.

I'm watching the Raiders on Hard Knocks. Take my audience into that. Was it disruptive for you? Could it be disruptive? Well, it can't if you don't know how to handle it. And I think for the most part, if you understand how to handle it, for us in college, especially, we are going to be part of it. It really highlights your program. Look, Colin, we know we mentioned it earlier in this conversation is about recruiting.

So you're bringing the recruits into your program. whether it be the athlete or parents, and they're seeing how you function. And for us, because we're trying to build a program, I just felt like that was pretty important for us to be part of this. Do you enjoy recruiting? I do. I really do. It's a lot of time, but, you know, for the most part, meeting young people and meeting their families is fun,

especially when they come here on campus or at times when you visit the home. I've always said this so far. I've never had a bad meal. So that's kind of how it works too. But it's a lot of fun. You get to know the people. You understand the environment, a lot of these kids where they grow up and how they have grown up.

And that helps you as far as when the kid arrives on your campus, knowing how to handle them. Do you, the feeling out process, have you ever, you don't have to mention a name, have you ever walked out of a house and thought, I don't think that kid loves football? Yeah. you get that sense.

And I don't know if it's so much at the house, but I think if you when the more, you know, this is about conversations. These conversations go on. I mean, we're talking to 2020s, 21s already.

And it's, you know, that thing starts up and it's really about the conversations you have. And then I've always said this about football players. Your resume is on tape. What you do on the field speaks louder than any words.

And I think eventually as you watch a young man, play. The tape always tells the truth. It tells the story of this guy. And I think the more you study the tape of a player, the more you can find out. You know, you guys lost eight or nine players to transfers this offseason. Nick Saban has privately told people it's a big frustration. College basketball, it's an epidemic. Now, in the NFL, you had free agents, so you didn't, you know, players were mobile. You were used to that, Herm. You're probably much more capable of dealing with the transfer situation, the college coaches.

But do you worry about this, Herm, that kids now, if they don't feel they're starting, they are exit stage right? Are you concerned that there is a moving, a movement in sports in general? I'm not playing. I'm not staying. Yeah, at certain positions, obviously the quarterback is one. You see the movement of quarterbacks a lot. But I think the undertended consequences have risen their head as well.

Because some of these guys leave thinking, well, I'm going to get re-recruited. The problem is a lot of times when you leave, the school you want to go to might not have any scholarships left. Right, right. So now you're kind of stuck. So there's a lot of kids that were stuck in that portal. They thought they were going somewhere and they ended up maybe going down a division, which was a little shocking to a lot of them. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Herm Edwards joining us coach at Arizona State. By the way, they're on Fox FS1, September 14th at Michigan State. So the Sparty thinks that's a payback game. You have a freshman quarterback. You have a very good young running back, but it's a lot of young kids. Let's go back to, you brought Marvin Lewis on your staff, Antonio Pearson NFL. You are adding a pro element to your staff.

Why? Well, because that's the DNA. I mean, that's what we say we're the pro model. And Antonio Pierce is here. Kevin Mouye is on this. Yep, yep, I just saw that. That's a great guy. Yeah, there's a bunch of guys, and we're the pro model,

and I think most colleges probably do it the same way. They don't say it. Now, that doesn't mean that we don't want these guys to enjoy being a college athlete because we do. And it works both ways. He's a student athlete first, and then if he has the ability, Colin, and talent. No coaches ever given a player talent.

God gives them a talent. What you have to make sure you do is not allow them to waste it and live up to that potential because that's what we do. That's our mission statement as coaches. You coach a player to get him to perform at his highest level.

And players want to hear that. They also want to know the things that you do, how you view tape, how you practice, how you go about things, is it the pro model? This is the pro model.

When Belichick called you, and I imagine he did, because you've been friends, and you've told me that before, when Bill called you on Nikiel Harry, and they lost Gronk, so they lost a physical component in their offense. So, you know, when I watched Nikiel play, he reminds me a little of Anquan Bolden. Not going to separate, not a burner, but boy, that ball's in the air. He is going to battle you for it. If he was a basketball player, he'd be a rebounder. What did you tell Bill about Nikiel? Harry. Well, I have to say a whole lot. I think the film speaks for itself, and I think he's a guy that I think it enhanced his draft status and the fact that we moved him inside some this year. He didn't play inside before. So I moved him inside and told him and said, look, you have to play inside because I want to get you the ball. It's harder to double you inside. So you've got to learn all this. It's going to help you at the next level. And you mentioned Antoine Bowling. I would, I looked at him more like a Des Bryant. Wow. I mean, that kind of guy, you know, strong hands, very competitive. Heditive, really good run after catch, too. I mean, he can run.

He's hard to tag. He weighs 215 pounds. He's a big man. He's strong, but loves to compete, Colin. I mean, every day, he's all about competition. He doesn't want to lose anything. And I think, you know, his attribute will be that he's strong. He's always available.

You need big receivers in the NFL if you're going to send him across the middle. He can go across the middle. He can go across the middle. He can play well in the red zone. We didn't throw it to him a whole lot in the red zone because we ran the ball down there. Yeah, you were a running football team. Yeah, we were running football team, but it's not like he can't play in the red zone. But he's good enough where he can play anywhere at the receiver position.

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the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsSlic on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hardway with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games.

And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience in the mental health field and conversations with so many incredible guests. I'm talking, Tripp Fontaine, Ryan Clark. Sometimes when we're in the pursuit of the thing, we get so rapid. up in the chase, that we don't realize that we are in possession of the thing. And we're still chasing it. And we don't know when we've done enough. Because people scoreboard watch. Life becomes about wins and losses. Steve Burns, Dustin Ross, because you find it important to be a good person while you hear on earth. Are you a good person because you're afraid? Because that's two different intentions,

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Search Learn the Hardway and listen now. What's up guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff

like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me he goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue 42. Hey, Wreck, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Miss Parker.

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self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected.

We're becoming more individualized, but we have a lot of people. actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The one place on your football team this year where you have some upperclassmen,

good for you, is your offensive line where you've got four potential senior starters. when NFL teams call you, what do they care about, Herm? Because they can pick out, as you said, a lot on film. What are they looking for from a 22-year-old young man that you have lived with, and they've just seen on film? Well, work ethic. What does he do? What does he do on his own?

You know, the building's always open now. Their class, you know, in college now, here's what kind of funny? They're not in class all day. They got a couple classes every day. What do they do on their off time? This building is always open. Right. And the guys that are in the building, they want to know who are the guys doing the extra.

They want to know this, Colin. They want to know how many practices has he missed? That's important. Are you available? You know, this football thing is all about the preparation and practice. You practice more than you'll ever play. We play 12 games. But look at all the practice time that is done to prepare for that.

start spring ball, then you have summer camp. All these practices are involved. Then you start the season for 12 games. Are they available for that? That's what they want to know. Yeah. Herm Edwards, my daughter goes to Arizona State, so I'll be down there probably three to four Saturdays.

Now, here's what I want to know is what is your easiest day to coach? Now, you're probably living in that room Monday to Wednesday, right? Yep. So do you ever have a time when I can just drop by and buy you a sandwich? sandwich. Colin, we go way back. You come by here anytime. Don't worry about it. You just come by any time. When you're here, you just come on in here. Just, I'm coming. You come on over. You're practice coming to the whole nine yards, everything. You got a lot of cart. Yeah. Because I got to check on my daughter. She got Friday off. That means she's on. You're on your daughter. We're

around Friday. We go to the hotel after a walk through, but you come on through. And yeah, you know, you're welcome here anytime you want to come here. Well, it just tickles me because I really do believe you have a chance. And I think I may have told you this. I told Rex Ryan this. I said, Rex, you can walk into a room and people will like you.

And by the way, that's not every NFL coach. I know, I would tell Bill Parcells to his face. I don't think you'd work in college. I mean, there are times, Herm, you've got to be a little bit of a salesman now as a college coach, right? Well, you do. You do. And you got to, you got it. The sales

pitch is this, is that you know, our program for us, we allow you to have a personality now. I'm not trying to change people's personality. As long as you fit here and you can achieve everything you want as a student athlete here. And we're going to do everything in the world to help you do that. Yeah. You have Jayden Daniels is your starting quarterback. Now, I'm kind of a recruiting dork.

I watched a lot of his tape coach. For those of us who haven't seen him in a live game, live bullets, why did he win the job? because you brought in, if I recall, three quarterbacks. We did. We did. And his poise and, you know, great accuracy, his demeanor, doesn't turn the ball over. I mean, he's been here for the spring and the summer camp, and I think total.

He's might have, he hasn't thrown over five interceptions. Wow. Yeah. So, Herm, App, you will see me before the end of the month. Boy, that Michigan State game on the road is no day at the beach. I also think, watch out going to Cal. Oh, yeah. That's a good coach.

Yeah, Justin Wilcox does a nice job up there in Berkeley. He does. It's a good conference, a fun conference. A lot of good coaches in this conference. Good talking to you, coach. Thank you, buddy. Talk to you later. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. In every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves.

Their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment, and the stuff nobody gets to hear. Listen to SportsSlice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Sliced Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman, help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue of 42. Hey, rec, my mama want you to wave at her. What? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Clifford show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. The story I've told myself can then shape my behavior.

And that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast Deeply Well with Debbie Brown. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to Deeply Well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.