The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Saturday Special - Colin talks with former MLB All-Star and MLB Network Analyst Harold Reynolds

Episode Date: June 20, 2020

Colin talks with former MLB All-Star and MLB Network Analyst Harold Reynolds about the Ken Griffey Jr Documentary "Junior". They discuss what it was like playing with him as one of the biggest stars in baseball and Harold shares some stories about Ken Griffey Jr. playing with him as a teenager and the unbelievable things he was able to do. Plus, Harold gives his thoughts on the ongoing labor dispute in baseball. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's Harold Reynolds. then I had the pleasure of working with him at ESPN. Now he's at the MLB Network. He was a multiple-time All-Star, a great fielding, three-time Gold Glove winner, a stolen base leader, Mariners, Angels, Orioles. But I remember him primarily, 83 to 92, a teammate with Ken Griffey Jr.

And right now, Harold is featured in the upcoming Ken Griffey Jr. Doc Jr. It will be tomorrow on Father's Day on the Major League Baseball Network at 8 Eastern. I'll be totally glued to it. And Harold Reynolds is now joining me. First of all, I love working with you. Haven't talked to you in a while. How are you personally?

I'm doing good, man. You know, it's been a crazy time in the country, but some good coming out of it. And the family's doing well. So, yeah, outside of having to do homeschooling online, things have been pretty good. I'm done with that, brother. I'm done. Listen, you're not the only person I know that I don't even know. It's just sort of emotionally, that homeschooling thing.

Don't you think teachers are underpaid after going through it? Well, it was funny. We had my eighth grader graduated last night from eighth grade, and they had all the teachers on and everything. And parents were talking, and I said, look, if you guys ever want to go on strike, you get anything you want. anything. Every parent started laughing.

They echoed the same sentiment. Yeah, that's crazy. So you played with the Mariners, 83 to 92. And Ken Griffey Jr., I remember him. He was a number one pick in 87. I had a buddy who actually, I think they sent him up to like Everett or something. And a buddy of mine, yeah, a buddy of mine was in Everett. Kevin Kentop.

Kevin Kentop played at UNLV. And Kevin could really hit. His dad was my first boss out of college. the owner and GM of the Las Vegas stars. So Kevin told me he's like, I'd never seen. He goes, I'd never hung around the batting cage watching other guys hit. So give me your first impressions, the very first time you saw junior play. Well, the number one pick always comes and works out with the major league team, right?

So junior flies in, and we all know, you know, we'd grown up watching the big red machine. And so we knew about his dad. and I really had never met his dad. I just saw him from afar on TV. And he always had that sweet one-hand finish. Yeah. Didn't have a lot of power, but he had a nice swing. Junior comes in, he's 6'4.

He's kind of skinny. He's about 175,580 pounds. But I was like, I can't believe how tall this kid is. And there wasn't really a lot of tall baseball players at that time. So he's 6'4. He hops, and he's got this big old Michael Jackson Afro. I mean, it's huge. It was the funniest thing ever.

I'll never forget that. So they find the helmet that fits in. He hops in the cage. And Colin, I'm telling you. He started rocketing balls in the upper deck. Second deck, not the third, second deck. He's 17 years old. He hasn't turned 18 yet.

And I remember standing there with Alvin Davis, and we kind of looked at each other like, are you kidding me? And that was the first impressions I had of a junior. And after that, it was, Really, history. I mean, he came in the next year, spring training when he was 19. He turned 18 and he became 19.

He played one year through the system. Then he came to spring training, and he was just an invite. They just wanted to give him a look and see how he progressed to the organization, how he'd do against big leaguers. And he tore up spring training. He hit 500. He was the best player on our team. Wow.

And we couldn't help but take him. It's amazing. So let's go back. People forget this. How many great players the Mariners have had. So the first team that Ken Griffey makes in Seattle, give me the lineup. We got Jim Presley, who just became an All-Star third baseman. Bill Bradley's out in outfield, Alvin Davis, Mike Moore, Mark Langston.

Who else was some of the guys on the thing? Myself, Spike Owen and Darnell Coles. I think we just traded Tartable. I think you're pitching. Pitching was better than hitting at that point for the Mariners. The pitching was amazing. We had Matt Young, Mark Langston, Mike Moore. Our rotation was serious because they all went on and went to different clubs

and ended up being World Series players. But, yeah, we were loaded. We were loaded. So then now Ken Griffey Jr., for you, is a teammate. He's a young teammate. It almost reminds me the late Kobe Bryant when he was with the Lakers. he couldn't go to the bar at the restaurant and he was, you know, the hotel he was staying at. So Ken, as a travel companion, he's a kid.

I mean, seriously, he can't go to the bar at the Ritz Carlton. Did he stay by himself a lot? Did he hang with the guys? Well, it's funny. And this is why we kept calling the kid, because he really was. At that time, video games would just become a popular. Now, you know, everybody plays Madden. Everybody plays all these games.

but he would get two small TVs like like 13, 14 inches. We have cell phones that big now, right? But he would get these two TVs and he would put them on the, and they put him on the plane, and he's sitting the back of the plane and play video games on the flights. And so when everybody else would go out after a game, he'd go to his room. I'll never forget being with Junior in Seattle when he started becoming real popular, and that was quick.

I mean, he was 19. Yes. Then by the time he's 20, we would go to bowling alleys after our game. And there was one in fact, Toria, just outside of Seattle, that would stay open for us and let us bowl until like 1, 1.30 in the morning. And so we'd play a game. That's how he got out of the house. And we'd go bowling and different things like that.

So, yeah, he didn't get to hang out, but he created his own little things he used to do. But, yeah, he wasn't 21. He couldn't even go to the bar. You know, it's interesting. So I grew up. I'm mid-50s. So I remember to a, I can name the entire staff, the starting lineup for the Cincinnati Reds.

I remember Ken Griffey, Sr. As a, he was straight-line speed. He was the fastest red. Joe Morgan was the quickest. But Ken Griffey, Senior, he was the burner. He looked like a little bit like he could play running back in the NFL. He was thick. Yep.

Did he hang around the team in the early day? or he was coaching in baseball, wasn't he? So did you ever sense that Ken Griffey, Senior, having grown up with him as a dad, it helped, Jr.? Well, yeah, I mean, look, senior was still, obviously, you know, they played together in Seattle. Right, right. I mean, he was 40 and junior was 20.

So we'll go to that year. It's 10 second season of the big leagues, and we make the trade and get his dad to come play in Seattle. And it was a huge story. but I don't think we see Ken Griffey Jr. The Hall of Famer if he doesn't play with his dad. And here's why. Here's why.

When he came to the Mariners, and I talked about when the first day I saw him, rocketing ball was 17 years old, when he finally made the big club all the way through the minor league system, he was only a year, nobody could mess with his swing. That was the mantra. That was the mandate.

Don't touch his swing. And whoever the hitting coach was, didn't matter. They would call his dad. And they'd say, all right, Ken's doing this or that. All right, put him on the phone. He was his hitting coach, even though he was playing the big league from afar on another team. Wow.

So now he comes to Seattle. And Gene Klein's our hitting coach, and he and Singer had gone back, way back, and they kind of placed Gene on the team with Ken because he knew he would be able to talk with him and help him raise him. And then we get his dad to come over. And I'm telling you, his dad taught him. much about hitting adjustments during the game, different things like that. It was so cool to see.

And pretty soon, I'm like, lean on the cage going, can I work on that? Yeah. It was pretty impressive. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo.

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Do you have an epiphany, a moment, a play where as he's growing as a player, you're at, you know, you're at second, you turn around and you watch him and you think, my God, I may be watching the best baseball player I've ever seen. Colin, I saw it every night. Every night. I would sit there and marvel. I'm supposed to go out as a relay man on a cut ball, and I just stopped and watch him play.

But there was a couple conversations. We're in Cleveland. We're on a road trip. And Junior and I are talking about a lot of different things, and it's kind of hanging out. He made some unbelievable plays. And we went to Boston, and this is that, oh, my gosh, a moment you're talking about.

I turn around defensively, and he's still learning the league. I think this is his second year, a little bit somewhere in that neighborhood. And he's still learning the league, and he's playing Wade Boggs in right center. And I'm like, no, what are you doing? Everybody knows you play Wade Boggs in the left center. Even though he's a left-headed hitter. We're in Fenway, he's going to shoot the ball off the monster.

And I look up and junior's in right-center field. Well, now I've got to turn back for the pitch. And I want to wave him over to left center. Next thing I know, sure enough, Boggs hits a ball, left-center field, head towards a monster. He outruns the ball, out-climes the wall. I mean, this wall's 30 feet high. I'm going a little.

It's crazy. But he makes a leaping dive, flies into the wall and makes this catch. You've seen the Spider-Man catch he makes in right center field in Seattle, you know, his hands and feet are up on the wall. Well, this one, he's like fully extended, but his back slams into the wall, as if he's going up to snatch a home run over a fence. And he jumps up against the wall in,

and Fenway makes this catch, and I just couldn't believe it. It was a rocket by Boggs. He was way in the wrong position, and he ran the ball down. He could do everything, everything. Last one, I'll tell you another story. Edwin Nunez, you remember him? Oh, yeah. So Edwin Nunez was a pitcher who threw like mid-90s, threw the ball hard.

He and Jr., we're on a flight to New York, talking smack. And that's one thing Junior should do. He talked more trash. than anybody. It's always chirping, had fun talking it. It wasn't Michael Jordan, I'm in your face. You better to form smack.

It was just fun nature talking trash all the time. So whether I can outdance you, I can do this, you know, you name it. So we're on this flight, and him and Edwin are getting into it. Who's got a better arm? And Juner's like, man, you put me on the mound. I can do what you're doing. I can throw 95. And Edwin's going back and forth, blah, blah, blah, blah.

We go to New York. Yankee Stadium. This is still going on for a whole day. Finally, we get to the park early one day, and they have a throwing contest. Who can throw the ball further? So Edwin is at home plate. He reaches back and he throws a ball up there in the black seats where Reggie Jackson hit a home run. Wow. Blah, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma, from home plate. Junior reaches back and throws it over the seats in center field out of the stadium. From home plate. From home plate.

If I didn't see it myself, I would never believe it. Oh, my God. You know, LeBron's in this doc. Harold Reynolds is joining us. The documentary is called Junior. You're listening to this on Saturday morning. This dock will be tomorrow, Father's Day, Majority Baseball Network at 8 Eastern. Harold played with him for a long time, obviously.

LeBron's in the dock, and he talks about Griffey, Jr. was the first. baseball player, I think, got a shoe deal from Nike. And LeBron talks about how he actually made baseball cool. Did you sense that when you, did you notice when you went to baseball parks? Not only fans, young African-American fans, did you notice that he was doing things in your community beyond just regular guys going to baseball games? Yeah, you know, it's funny because we're all trying to break in a Star-Plan. players, right? I mean, we named that early on guys that was just starting to come around,

but there was just something different. People gravitated to him everywhere we went. And we're in Seattle. This is not New York. This isn't Chicago. And this isn't 2020 when you got Instagram, Snapchat, everything else. This is like one game a week and we're never on it, you know? And everybody knew who Griffey was. His journey was the number one seller in Jersey. He was in commercials, and he was cool with the commercials. And it was kind of when that time, when Nike started doing the, Spike Lee and Michael Jordan, is the shoes.

And they started changing the coolness of commercials. So Griffey has that for president. He's running through the streets and all these different things. He had a candy bar. And everywhere we went, people gravitated to him. But he was different. You know, he wore his hat backwards. He had an earring.

You know, baseball was stale. You better wear your socks a certain way and make sure that you don't have any jewelry on. And those are the rules even in 90s as we were coming through it, late 89, 90s. And Jr. bucked all those rules who wore an air ring and he had a hat backwards. And he had a little limp to his walk, a little pimp in it. It was cool. Yeah. And everywhere we went, they gravitated to him.

everybody not just black but white you name it everybody it's interesting because people remember the series against the yankees and people say that saved baseball in seattle because seattle of course had the pilots and they eventually went to milwaukee in the 60s and then you know the kingdom was kind of antiquated and the teams weren't necessarily great and then there was this series where uh Seattle beat the yankees i think they went after that and lost the indians pretty quick but um that that was the most memorable series. Then eventually, after 11 years in Seattle, Griffey goes to Cincinnati and his dad, I think, is a coach there. And it's fine, but it doesn't, it's not, you know, it's always like your first love was Seattle. It never felt quite the same in Cincinnati to me,

and maybe I'm a Pacific Northwest kid. Do you think, do you think Jr. ever regretted the Cincinnati move? I don't think so, because, you know, he went because his grandmother was ill. He wanted to be around her. And so I really think he thought it was a great move. I don't think he looks back at it as regret. He really missed four years with injuries, which was just terrible. But there's also something about that first team. People know you. People care about you. I talk to Derek Jeter about this a number of times because he could have left the Yankees a few different times as well. And I remember one day Derek and I were talking about free agents that come to New York. And he said, Harold, all people see are your great highlights.

And that's what they expect. And you can't do that every day. And I grew up in New York, they saw me make airs. They saw me strike out. So it wasn't like I had to be perfect every night. But a free agent, they've seen your highlights and you better deliver those every night. Wow. Tough to do.

And I thought that was amazing insight. Yes. God, I've never even heard that before. That is really, well, Derek's smart. I mean, that's a really fascinating way to look at it because, you know, the Mariners saw young Ken and, you know, the injuries are fascinating because I don't recall, I don't recall you having a lot of injuries. Certain players get him, certain don't. I could make the argument that Junior got him, Harold, because he played so hard. He had a, he banged into the wall a lot.

Is that it? Or maybe his body, he played at such a young age, was such. dynamic energy that wore down over time. Yeah, no, I think it's the first part. He played so hard all the time. And I think people forget, too. I know he's known as the natural and the kid and all that. But one of the things he used to play off so much,

he'd get in there at 2 o'clock and take extra batting practice, basically every day. And a lot of this goes back to what we talked, him being 19 and can't really hang out with the guys. He'd get to the ballpark early, and he would hit early batting practice every day. around 2 o'clock. He learned great at work ethic from the big red machine,

and those great players always talked about you got out work, everybody else. And that was ingrained in him. But that wasn't the public persona, and he didn't want that to be. He wanted to look like, as many times he hit a home run, I go, what did you hit? I don't even know, man. I don't even know. Yeah, you did.

You know, he wanted to all look that way, and he played with it, and the media ran with it. But he'd get in there at 2 o'clock in the afternoon, work is chill off, hit, do all those things. And so we'd come to stretching at 5 o'clock after early BP and then regular bandit practice at 5 o'clock and he'd walk around

calling with his body at his shoulder and everybody'd be like, Junior, you've got to stretch. He'd just talk out of it. You know, there's a Cheetah stretch when he's getting ready to go after his praying. He'd say stuff like that all the time. And he would act like, I don't have to do any

of this, but he's already done it three hours earlier, you know? So that was kind of him. So yeah, he played his tell off. He worked his butt off. And so I think that was one of the reasons he had injuries early. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where sports slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athlete themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff,

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This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coultera podcast network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah, Harold Reynolds' Major League Baseball Network. It's called Junior. It's the doc. I'll be glued. It's tomorrow on the MLB Network. One question about baseball now.

I don't always side with players in any labor situation. In this instance, I've been all players because the rich guys in sports, the owners always talk about we take the risk. which is true to some degree with the financial stakes of a team. But in this virus year, there is a physical risk to players and their families. So I've kind of felt this is the year. Just give the players the DH, pro-rate their salaries, give them the bennies. There's no physical risk to the billionaire up in the box. Your thoughts, overarching thoughts on if we'll get baseball and the public strife we have seen in labor negotiations,

so far? Well, I went through three strikes and a lockout in my 12-year major league career. So obviously, I go into everything with a pro player perspective. But on this one, I'm faulting them both. You know, I just think I've always felt from the beginning, Colin, if you work out the health issues, then everything else should be taken care of. Because of the pandemic and the risk that is out there, if you can say, say, yeah, we're going to be testing every day, and here's the things with protocols in place.

And you're comfortable with that. You sell that part. Then there's no reason not to be playing baseball. And that's not on the table anymore. I don't hear anybody talking about the health issues. So that's very frustrating for me when it's all about money and economics. And I've always believed this is a totally different scenario than what I went through when I went through strikes and got locked out one year because of the pandemic.

We have 40-some million people at one time. You know, we're filed for unemployment. And you look anywhere in the world, it's going on. So I think they should have came up with a very simple, this is for COVID-19. Let's work some things out. Let's get on the field. And let's not come off like we're fighting over money and issues that will be addressed in 2021 anyway when the basic agreement comes up.

I just, that's the frustration for me. I just think they missed a mark with that. Yeah. It's great hearing from you again. You always make me think the doc's going to be fantastic, continued success. Are you in Connecticut or New York now? Where are you based? Yeah, I'm in Jersey.

Our studios are in New Jersey. I live in Montclair. I've been here about 13 years now, yeah. Yeah, it's nice. You've got trees and space and pool, I imagine. I'll end up with this one. I came to Montclair and Yogi Barrow lives here, right? Right? So I'd see Yogi all the time at his museum when he was alive. I'd go down the scene. And he'd watch the show. And I'd come in and he'd go, do you know everything? I'd go, no, Yog. You think you know everything? I said, no, Yogue. I don't. Then why you act like you know everything? If you knew everything, then you know everything. If you don't know everything, don't act like you know everything. That was like every day he greeted me that way.

Yogi Vera. Harold, real pleasure, continued success. You know, I've said this before. on the air of all the league networks. I think the MLB network is by far and away the best. I think you guys have real opinion makers. I think the production values are great. I love when you bounce around games to game. It's hard to watch a full regular season game, but you guys do your whip around, you bang around on games. The guys there do great work, and it's great talking to you again. Well, it's my pleasure, and you're on my TV all the time, man. I love it. You got such great insight, so I appreciate you. Keep doing that thing. I guess I that's holding up the Northwest, right?

Yep. You and I, single-handedly. See you, man. All right, buddy. Thank you. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo, and every episode we're cutting through the noise,

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