The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Seahawks GM Schneider on acquiring Darnold & Milroe, trading Smith & Metcalf

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

John Middlekauff sits down with the general manager of the Seattle Seahawks, John Schneider, to talk all things Seahawks and NFL. Schneider starts off by explaining how he got into sports management and scouting with the Green Bay Packers when he was starting out in the NFL. Schneider speaks about how he dealt with being a young general manager, and how former head coach Pete Carroll was a valuable resource for him. Schneider discusses his head coach Mike McDonald and why he felt confident hiring him. Schneider discusses the trades of QB Geno Smith to the Las Vegas Raiders and WR DK Metcalf to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Schneider speaks on signing QB Sam Darnold away from the Minnesota Vikings after his breakout year, as well as drafting QB Jalen Milroe from the university of Alabama in the 3rd round of the 2025 NFL Draft. Middlekauff and Schneider wrap up with the Gemini Question of the day which Schneider gives advice to his younger self. 06:20 - Schneider on how he got into sports management15:50 - Schneider on when he realized he was good at NFL business17:21 - Schneider on scouting college football20:10 - Schneider on being a young GM25:38 - Schneider on Head Coach Mike McDonald29:45 - Schneider on pressure with a young head coach31:32 - Schneider on being "the bad guy" as GM33:55 - Schneider on Geno Smith36:02 - Schneider on DK Metcalf39:28 - Schneider on salary cap spending40:54 - Schneider on Sam Darnold43:14 - Schneider on tough QB decisions44:40 - Schneider on 2025 NFL Draft picks48:33 - Schneider on Jalen Milroe Follow John on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest. Check out Gametime - the fastest growing ticketing app in the US, and the official ticketing app of 3 & Out and GoLow -  for tickets to all of your favorite NFL, NBA, NHL, NCAA teams. Concert and comedy show tickets, too. Go to Gametime now to create an account, download the app and use code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now I got John Schneider, the GM. I just need to get John Lynch and we'll just make the John's, the GM of the John show. John, how you doing? What's going on? Yeah, thanks for having me, man. This is cool. Appreciate you. Yeah, very excited to have you on. I know you're a Midwest guy at your core, but you've lived on the West Coast a while, you know, as a fellow West Coast. Are you one of us now? I'm kind of feeling that way, you know, like we were here in 2000 for a year. The year we drafted Hodge and Corn in those guys that class.

And then we went to the Redskins for a minute. and then back to Green Bay. I'm from Green Bay, born and raised. And then, yeah, we've been out here for, we just finished our 16th draft, so super blessed to be able to, you know, be out in Seattle, it's long, raise our kids here. It's been awesome.

That's pretty crazy when you think about it in a profession, just pro sports in general, as chaotic as it is. I mean, when you look at your bio, I mean, you spend a lot of time in Green Bay, and now you've been the boss for a long time, obviously with Pete, now with Mike. I mean, it's pretty unique, you know, in your profession to be able to be in one place that long. Obviously, it speaks to you guys have won.

Yeah, very, very, very blessed, you know, to have the one, you know, Mr. Allen, Paul Allen, Jody Allen, like just that one owner, you know, the stability there's been amazing. When you got hired in Green Bay when you were really young, did you ever have visions that, you know, I mean, were you just trying to survive? and you'd be a GM? I mean, what, did you ever think back? Like, what a crazy life

that this turned out to be. Yeah, totally. You know, at the time, that group that we were blessed enough to start with, you know, I know you work with,

with Annie Reed in Philly, and the group, and I didn't know at the time, just coming out of college, it was like 1992. Free agency was just starting. So everybody was hiring a new, everybody was going to hire another,

like, pro, you know, pro scout. So the timing was just unbelievable. And obviously it was like we prayed super hard on it, you know, and then worked super hard at it. But that group of coaches was like, you know, it was like Andy and John Gruden. And the staff that Coach Homer put together was, you know,

ridiculous. Ray Roads, Sherman Lewis, Marty Morningwick, Steve Maryucci. And I didn't recognize this at the time because, I mean, I was just coming on, you know, college and just starting out. We didn't have like, you know, all these degrees they have now, right? Like, I get these resumes. And guys are like, I'm like, I'm like doctorate in sports management. I'm like, well, shit, I would have never got a job now.

You know what's funny. Sorry, sorry, keep going. No, no, go for it. You know, I get asked a lot by younger people, you know, how do I get in? How do I get in? I'm like, well, I don't know. I just, I went to work for Coach Hill and he knew Andy Reid. I got pretty lucky.

And I was watching some videos on you getting ready for this. And you told a story how bad. in the day you could just call someone's office and they would pick up. I mean, I know a lot of people that know you. I think it would be pretty hard for me to even get your office number. Do you ever look back? I mean, how can you tell that story how that all played out? So Bob Harlan was a president of agreement Packers, right? And he had just hired Ron Wolfe. And I knew I want to do this, but I didn't know how to get in to your point. but so I was going to coach.

So I was going to be a history and secondary education at the time, University of St. Thomas and St. Paul. And I basically Bob hired Ron Wolfe. And so I was reading all about him. And Ron was a history major. Did an internship with Al Davis. And just that's how he found his way. And I was like, oh, shoot.

Maybe I'll just take a shot. Maybe he'll take a liking to, you know, like small town, you know, like same, same town, Packer, kid, you know, all that kind of stuff. And so I wrote him, I wrote him like a, you know, big letter, it's telling him about my story and all that. And then, you know, I got the rejection letter. So, like, I wrote him another one and another one and basically kind of stalked him for a minute. And I just, I just, it was a memorial day weekend and it was like 91 or 92. I think it was 92, 1919.

And we got rained out in Northern Minnesota, and I was with one of my best friends. And so we were camping and we got rained out. So we were back at our place and St. Paul. And we had read about Bob Harlan and Ron how they like, you know, they would answer their phone, like randomly. Like they would just, they, it wasn't, you know, below them like, yeah, when their assistant was there, they would answer the phone for them. But if they were there on a weekend, like, there was a story like in the group big press was at or something. I forget exactly how it happened. And I got Ron's number through a family friend.

And so my buddy's like, we just give him a call. And so I think I'd had like two or three rejection letters at the time. And then I just called him. He was in there studying on a Sunday afternoon Memorial Day weekend. And we just started talking. And it's a five-hour drive. you know, from Minneapolis to Green Bay. And he's like, yeah, I don't know what you are.

You're that freaking weirdo that keeps writing me letters. And I was like, yeah, I can be there. And I'll be there in four. I'll go like 80, you know. I'll come down there. So I went down in the fall on like Tuesday or Wednesday for an interview with Ron and Ted Thompson, John Dorsey was there. Ted and John Dorsey just started.

And Brian Broad us was, he works with, I'm not sure if he's still working with Dallas, but he was there as well. So I interviewed with those guys. And then, yeah, we just hit it off. 175 bucks a week and that's rip. You know, what's crazy, it's safe to say scouting is, at least from the outside viewed as a sexier profession in 2025 than back. than probably much smaller staffs than the crew that you have employed.

So probably an incredible opportunity. You just get in. Farve had just been traded. I mean, I was born in the mid-80s and I was a Niner guy, so that rivalry had really started taking off. But I don't remember the Packers ever being shitty. I mean, they were not good before Holmgren, Farve, and Ron Wolf and Reggie, right? I mean, so you kind of came in.

They weren't just this rolling machine at the time, were they? No, Ron and Coach Holmgren really. changed the whole culture with the Packers. And yeah, I'd actually gone back to school. So I was still in school. So my, we had like a J-term thing, like six weeks, you know, in January. And so I had gone back and so I went like a summer with them during an internship. And then I came back and that was the first year of understricted free agencies.

So, you know, I remember writing a report on Marcus Allen that was like a page and a half. And Ron read it and like you would critique art. We actually wrote them at the time. Yeah. And I remember him throwing it on my desk. He's like, hey, he gives it back to me. He's like, I don't have time to read war and peace. I'm like, okay, I get it.

I get it. So that's, okay, I need to condense my thoughts. I need to communicate in a more clear manner. And like, so that really, he was super generous with his time to like teach us. So like I said at the time, it was like John Dorsey, Ted, myself, and he really taught us how to write. And, you know, being a history major, you know, a ton of papers, writing a lot. That helped a lot. But, you know, on his staff at the time, his scouting staff, there were three gentlemen, Ray White Tecca, Hoghanner, and Red Cochran.

And those guys were all on Vince Lamarck's coaching staff. Wow. Offensive line coach, defensive line coach, running back. coach. So often I'm like throwing these meetings with guys that, you know, coached Bart Starr and Paul Horning. And it was just like, and there was a big gap. There was like young guys. I'm not sure if you know, Sean Harrock and Scott McClellan. Because Harrock was with the Raiders for a while, right? Yeah. We were, we were the young guys. They're all like like Scott's my age. Sean's a year older, but we all kind of came in at the same time. And then there was this big gap like, you know, these guys

that had coached and scouted forever. So we would just sit there and like, like, listen to these guys tell stories. And like, what a blessing line. What a learning experience, you know, with all these guys. And John, that's like my first exposure to scouting and like real football. You know, like, you know what it is like Division III. You got Fresno with Coach Hill. I mean, that's, yeah.

That was a big deal. What a learning environment for you, right? Big time. I mean, it was, I mean, you went in. you know, the NFL, I mean, when was the first year of free agency? Was that 94 or 93? 93, I think. Because, yeah, because I think the lawsuit was Freeman McNeil and Reggie White and Don

Mikowski, actually. And it was actually in Minnesota. Judge Doty was his name. And they ruled, you know, they ruled in favor of the players. And so at that point, you know, there really wasn't guys switching teams was really, there was a thing called Plan B. so pro scouting at the time was really more about you know trades waiver claims advancing opponents and then advancing yeah and then so yeah it was just and then

Ted Thompson and Ron they both loved college scouting so they would leave you know in the fall during the week and often like I'm sitting there with coach Tongren and oh he's like amazing coaches and like you know working with the trainers and the equipment guys and you know setting up workouts and like it ended up like like I wasn't running the office John you know what I mean but I was like like okay I better figure this shit out or you're going to be out you know what I mean and there wasn't text message or anything so it was just you there with Mike and the crew was there a moment I memo you know the pink memo notes like no I put the pink memo note on your desk coach like

Was there a moment earlier in your career after you kind of just could keep your head above water and breathe and kind of realize, okay, I'm going to be here where you're like, okay, I'm actually pretty good at this, either through something with Ron Wolfe or Mike Holmgren? I mean, Ron's in the Hall of Fame. I think Mike probably could easily be. It should be, yeah. Yeah. I think, yeah, I think probably, you know, when you, Ron would, you know, so like Reggie McKenzie and. Sammy Seale. You must know Sammy.

I know Sammy, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So when, again, so I'm like 22, and he kind of like, you know, I would read their reports and help them write. You know, they were ahead of me from like a just football knowledge and the NFL world and all that. But I was kind of helping them like condense their thoughts again and, you know, writing a, Ron had a specific, you know, report outline that he, we see. still do it. Like we have guys interning, you know, interviewing for internships right now and I take it to take them through it. And so I think at that point, like when you allowed me to kind of like

help those guys, it was kind of like, oh, wow, I could, like I'm on the right track. Is that kind of what you're saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Specific players or, because I started on the pro side, right? So I went to the pro side and I actually didn't do like much college scouting until I came here in 2000. The NBA Finals are here, and this is your last chance to bet on the NBA until next season. And the Draft King Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of the NBA is pulling out all the stops to make it a finals to remember. One team will be crowd the champ, and the other will be lost to history. Who you got winning at all?

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I mean, some of these guys can just be in the office a lot. It's something, is that you take a lot of pride in. It's just something you know. Like you said, you just saw Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf do it. It's just the way you operate. I think guys like, like Jason, you know, now spy. I think they would tell you it's like their, it's like your safe space. You know, it's like you're, okay, I get to do what we do.

Because being a general manager really is managing a general fashion. You're doing like, there's things that we're just not trained for. And, you know, there's an adaptive piece that comes along with it. And you're a leader, your communicator, you're a counselor. So I think, you know, being able to go to those games, I just love college football too. I love the tradition, the pageantry of it. I just, I love the, like, you know, I love walking through the band. I love listening to the band.

You know what I mean? I just love all that stuff. And then, you know, being able to see, and this is like a coach phonebrun, Ron Wolf thing, too. Like, being able to see quarterbacks, how they conduct themselves in corners, probably the biggest thing you can take, like, away from a live look like that. And Seattle, Seattle's hard, you know, it's, it's, it's help now with the, with the big 10 coming out here. You know, we've seen like Ohio State down at, at, uh, in Eugene, Michigan was here last street. So that's helped a lot, but it's a, it's a difficult place to scalp from.

So when we travel east, you know, we usually try to go early and hit a game. Maybe it's a Thursday night game. Or, you know, like, you know, like, you know, a Saturday game and then go meet the. team somewhere else. Will you look ahead when the schedule comes out and try to map it during the spring, or is that way too far ahead? And you kind of get a better feel during the season. Yeah, we map it out.

We're actually, yeah, we're done with that. And now it's like, okay, whatever pops up, you know, during, you know, during the season, there'd be times where, you know, I'd be, you know, planning to go somewhere. And then, you know, Pete and I would have a, you know, a fire to put out or there may be something coming up at the end of the week that we didn't necessarily feel comfortable being apart from each other. So, you know, we need to, you know, stick to, you know, be in a united front. So, yeah, you set up your schedule and it's like, all right, if I can make it, I can make it. You know, you got hired, were you in your late 30s when you got hired with Pete?

Yeah, I was, I was 38. So, John, I was like this, I was like, like I said, really blessed to start out early. And then it was kind of like, like, on this like really fast track. Like I was, you know, I went to Kansas City to either to work for Coach Schottonheim or Terry Bradway, Bradway hired me there. Mike's, Mike's, Mike's a good friend of mine. No way. I love Mike Bradley.

Okay. That's cool. That's really cool. It used to be played with like their little wrestling guys when I'm, And I was there anyway, now you make me feel even older again. But anyway, yeah, so when I went there, I was 25. And, you know, all of a sudden I'm sitting in across from Marty Schottenheimer talking about, like, should we start Elvis Yerbach and Rich Gannon in the playoff game?

You know, it's like, whoa, I'm not qualified to be doing this. You know? But, yeah, I think like that. So I was like on this trajectory, and then Coach Holmbern and Ted came out here. And then I came out. So we were Kansas, we were Kansas City, Tracy and I went to Kansas City from 90s. It was like 97, 98, 99. So we just won the world championship in New Orleans against Patriots.

And then so we picked up. We literally, so yeah, we literally moved from Green Bay to Kansas City. We got married, went to Kansas City, was there three years. And we came out here for a year. then Marty Schottonheimer got hired in Washington to be the head coach and general manager. So now in the 29, you know, working for, you know, I was like, you know, whatever vice president of football ops or whatever, you know, working for coach Schottenheimer and Daniel Snyder, you know, like that's a whole different learning experience

too right there. I was like we were there. I think we were in our house for eight months, you know. That was 9-11. It was just a crazy view. but it felt like that that experience right there was probably like like three years packed into one it was it was it was a it was a crazy year you used to a lot there and then um yeah so and then you get fired you know so now it's like okay well you have to kind of like you really you have to kind of like

i don't want to see reinvent yourself but like you know pick yourself up you know quit feeling sorry for yourself i remember sammy seal being like because i went back to green bay you know and sammy saying like at one point to me he was like hey man like we need the old john back like you need to like get your head out of your butt you know because you kind of feel bad for you know you're like you fired it's like oh i was on that's fast track and all of a sudden you're just you know it's a so it was really green bay was a great experience they're going back we were there for eight more years and then came out here i was literally we were playing Arizona and i was going to um you know I had my book for Mr. Allen and Todd La Wiki.

I was playing on hiring. Like, whoever got this job was going to be, was going to, I was going to hire a head coach. So I had like 30 pages in my, you know, book of like, all these head coaches, we were going to interview and get rocking on.

And we were playing Arizona on a Saturday. So we're flying. I wake up like on a Friday morning and, and this like thing comes across a ticker that the Seahawks hired Pete Carroll. I'm like, well, I guess we're not moving to Seattle, babe, you know. And they called me and they're like, no, like, we really want us to be this really cool. He doesn't want to be the general manager.

He wants to have influence and the general manager is going to be. So he's going to sit in on the interviews. And, you know, we think this would be a great. And I had been here for a year. So I knew that people were to build an end. It was a great organization. So we came out on a Monday and interviewed, you know, that Monday. And then I flew back to Green Bay, came back.

But yeah, I was 38. Sorry, that was a long end. I was 38. That was great. I mean, you're really, sorry, man. No, no, you work with Pete. You work with Pete for a long time, and obviously, you know, you have so many guys that come through. You guys have so much success.

And then your task, what was it, last year, last January, with hiring a new head coach. You know, especially in a division with Kyle and Sean, it is a little sexier, I think, to say, like, people want to hire offensive coaches. but your experience, you've seen both. I mean, Holmgren, obviously, Marty, Pete, you've kind of seen them all. Did you go in pretty open-minded to that situation? Obviously, Mike's defense was, I mean, I knew a guy in Baltimore. His nickname was Boy Genius, so he's pretty highly thought of.

If Mike was calling offense instead of defense, I mean, let's face it, the way he would be talked about, the way we talk about offense would probably be a little different. Just that experience going into that, open-minded, was he a target? How that played out? Yeah, you're on it. You're on it. He was, you know, kind of I had the same experience that you did. You know, I've heard a lot of this guy. I read a lot about him. I wasn't able to hit Michigan the year. He was at Michigan, but obviously we saw the result, you know. Yeah. I think, yeah, you're going into something like that. You're, you're extremely open-minded. My background would say, you lean towards the offensive coach, stability with the quarterback.

And that's legit. You know, Mike McCarthy's one of my closest friends in the industry. And so, you know, we were part of that hiring process with Ted Thompson in Green Bay. So I felt like I had a pretty good feel for like where we were headed. But once we were able to speak to Mike, because, you know, they had to buy. And all the stuff with Pete wasn't, we didn't, you know, with ownership. coach carroll all that wasn't settled like right away early in that week so whoever has to buy you can interview that that first week after the season and we

we weren't you know we weren't approved by the league yet to get going and so we weren't there was a chance you know I was just I remember being very nervous about you know the ability just to interview him because like do you wait through the Super Bowl or not. And, you know, the guys, you know, Chad Brinker in Tennessee, Dan Morgan and Carolina, Rich McKay in Atlanta, they had all interviewed him. And so, you know, I had a very close relationship with all those guys. And they're like, man, your personalities would be great.

But he blew it, like, you know, like he was amazing in the interview. You know, I can't remember the Atlanta situation, you know. They hired Rahim pretty quick. There was a couple days where guys got hired pretty quick. But Carolina and Tennessee were going offense. And so, you know, we interviewed. Basically it was going to come down to that championship weekend. And so we were either going to, I remember basically, this is so bad,

but I remember going to church, basically praying on, like, I really hope Detroit loses and I hope Baltimore loses today. The championship weekend, and they both did. I was like, oh, now I'm going to go talk to these guys and tell them, I was hoping they lost. Is there a way to fix that? Because, like, you know, it's hard because you've been in these situations where you're making Super Bowl runs. And, you know, you want these guys to have success and financially it changes their life.

But also it's like we're trying to win. You know, I don't know if there's a perfect answer for it. Is there? It really isn't. We've discussed it over the years, league meetings, a number of, you know, committees that we're involved in. There really isn't a perfect. I mean, I think we're constantly like we do every year. We're constantly trying to tweet things to improve.

the products. So I think that's something that, you know, we'll, we'll discuss as well as we move forward. But, yeah, you know, we went through with Gus Bradley, you know, Dan Quinn, you know, DQ. It's like a, it's so interesting because you're kind of helping guys. You want to help them get ready and then you're playing in big time games, you know. So, and we, I think DQ went straight from here to Atlanta. Yeah, we did. Yeah. Do you feel a different pressure now with Mike, given that, you know, you're the veteran? I mean, literally, you've been in the league for long, long time and he's young.

It's almost flip-flopped like with Pete and you when you were on boarded, I guess, back in 2010. Well, great question, man. Yeah, yeah,

it was, yeah, I definitely feel like the older brother, much like Pete was with me, you know, I don't know if it's pressure. Because every day is a, you know,

you're just stacking to get better every single day. So that hasn't changed. But it's definitely more of a, you know i could i could talk to beat about you know like studying brett to your point earlier like yeah wow you got to have patience with quarterbacks and then brett was like that was my first exposure of you know a big time NFL quarterback like there was a lot of interceptions yeah but you know whereas mike's like mike's kind of like what was brett far like you know that sort of stuff so the experience is different right you know like freaking ready draft for russell

Wilson here. He was targeted and Pete and I are sitting in the phone, you know, talking to, you know, coach Grant about Fran Tarkington, you know, like on the phone, like, lack of height, you know, great feet moving around, you know, it's like, it's just different, you know, Pete, Pete's 20 years older than me. And, um, oh, I say, well, I'm like, well, Mike's 38 and I'm 54. So, you know, we went from having the, you know, a partner with Pete and all that experience to a 38-year-old guy's, you know, brains on fire and just a really clear, intelligent communicator. Clearly a tough part of the league is, especially in a program like yours, where you have a bunch of success and have like legendary players,

is either not extending them, cutting them. And you've had, since you've been the GM, I mean, it's just public because these guys are really famous. but when Pete was there, it wasn't like good guy, bad guy. It was like you guys were kind of lumped together. You know, Pete's pretty famous too. So it was like it was just on both of you guys. Does it feel more now that like in a weird way? Now you have a, I would say a little bit of a younger team now.

So ideally it plays out where you have these tough decisions. But you kind of take on the role as the bad guy now in some of these tough situations because he's the head coach or is just, have you even thought? Do you think about it like that? That's it. No. Yes. I'm lying. I said no. It's just the nature of our job, right?

You know, the head coach has to get up front of the team every single day, you know, and project that leadership and I got you back. And then, yeah, somebody, you know, somebody has to be, somebody has to be the parent, you know, somebody was just asking me this the day. A friend of mine was asking about it. He ever feel like the mom? You know, I'm like, wow, that's interesting. That's an interesting way to look at it.

Like, you know, at some point, you know, whether it's negotiations or, or, you know, rules or, you know, the decisions that we make, you know, it's somebody does have to be, you know, the bad guy out of your point. And that's the nature of this position. And I don't think that'll ever change. And you can't shy away from it. You know, Mike talks about it, like, you know, going through, not around. Like, we're going to go, we go through it.

So we attack everything, like, head on. And I think it's a really cool way to look at things. And we've always conduct ourselves that way. So yeah, you know, keeping it honest, keeping it real, that's the responsibility of a general manager. And, you know, you want to be able to take as much off the head coach as possible so that everything that's put on the field, the players are like, okay, coach has my back, you know, he's going to teach us, I'm going to get better. We're all going to have success together. And that really is, like I said, that's a cool partnership. but there's a different, they're just to have this, you know, well, you've seen it.

It's just different roles. Yeah, I think, I don't know if it was the owner's meetings or maybe it was at your pre-draft press conference where you just kind of came out because you were asked about the Gino trade and you said, hey, we offered them money. Like we tried to extend them. And I was just thinking like, would you, 10 years ago, would you have been that candid in that situation or just kind of played the GM cliche role? Is it safe to say?

I mean this in a good way. Like you're give a shit level of like worrying about everything. You have more confidence now. You've done this longer where it's easier to be open about a situation like that. Or is that something that you would have been pretty transparent with no matter what? Because you're like, we like this player. I mean, that was the reason we signed him. You know, I didn't try to just trade him for a third round pick for the hell of it.

Yeah. I think, yeah, it's basically, I'll just describe it. Like any job, your confidence level is going to just, by the nature of your different experiences that you put together over the years you're going to have your confidence level is going to improve there's no question about that um but yeah i think you know one of one of the coolest things that that i learned from ted thompson got rest of soul and marty schottnheimer got rest his soul as well was that that how you treat players both those guys were like nowadays will be your like 53rd player every year worrying about making the team

really good special teams players. So how you treat, especially something that I've never had anywhere near the opportunity to play in the National Football League, how you treat the players with like clear honesty and integrity and understanding like what they're truly going through and what the, what the locker room is going to look like. So I think that the experience I had with Ted and Mari really helped me in terms of like, You're not always going to like what you hear, but you're going to hear the truth. And we can disagree on whatever we're discussing, but I'm not going to be sitting here trying to BS you.

You've been pretty open with the D.K. situation, too, about the lines of communication, you know, his unhappiness. You were honest with where you stood with it. You know, you're talking about a third contract guy. Do you think looking back at some of your situations, you know, whether it's with Sherm or Bobby Wagner, or those guys over the years, make those situations? situations easier for you to handle because it feels like that trade and that situation was relatively seamless at least for the outside for you guys with i mean i would say i mean you've had a lot of good draft picks in your career that's got to be up there near the top i mean this

was a pretty integral player for you and one of your crowning achievements as a GM drafting guy in the late second who who what do you have 28 touchdowns for through his first three years of his career or something you know yeah you know every every situation every individual individuals very different. And you can learn from, you know, there's situations that we've been through, that for one reason or another, the lines of communication get jacked up or the timing's off. You know, we've had several players that represent themselves, you know, Russell Locoon,

Shirm, Bobby. For a while there, I felt like we were the testing ground for that, you know. those are always difficult situations. So is that you and him asking, like he's just peppering you with questions about his contract and you are talking like he would do an agent? Or do you have to massage that one a little different?

Yeah, you have to massage it a little different because like no matter what, you're, you know, agents, you know, they have,

there's a buffer there. And it helps. And it helps with, you know, a certain level of communication. that goes into the serious sense of these talks. And so when you're, when you're,

you're constantly trying to adjust the way you're speaking because you know, like these are all like we've all been through negotiations, it gets really personal. And you could say it's not, but it is, it is. And so, with in regards to D.K,

you know, he, we had a ton of conversations last off season. Um, about, you know, like his, his legacy where he wanted to go.

He stayed, you know, he wanted to be here. Once he met the new coach, his staff, he was excited. And then, you know, this year, it just happened again. You can't change the way people think. As much as we love them and we want to have them here, you know, when people want to leave, it's difficult to try to convince them to stay. So, yeah, we just had, you know, very honest communication. like for probably about a month and half.

And I asked him to just take some time and think on it. And then he did. And then by the time we got to the combine, I say that in regards to like Bobby and Sherman and Russell, because I had that relationship with him. So I was speaking more to him than I was his agent. And so once we got back from the combine, we had another real open talk.

And then we just, we told him we were in, we would, we would, you know, concede to his wishes. And no promises, but we'll see where it goes. And Pittsburgh, Omar, and those guys are really aggressive. Do you ever get numb or do you feel numb to the amount of money as the GM you're negotiating with, you know, just to these player contracts? I would imagine you deal with coaching contracts too. Yeah. where, you know, when you first got to Green Bay, I mean, what did, what did Reggie sign for? Three, four million dollars a year? Couldn't have been much.

Yeah, it was a total of, I think they had $24 million like in their coffers. And I think they gave them 14 of it or 17 of it. Yeah. Yeah, that was like. That's like a Cooper Cup signing bonus now. Yeah. Yeah, I've tried to, I've tried to surround myself with younger talented guys like Joey Lane does our, our cap for us now.

And so, you know, he's like, okay, yeah, $10 million is what it means, John. And it's like,

okay, they can show me like every, every, uh, every position and that helps me. But yes, you're right. It's like,

whoa. And then when I see the, you know, when I see like the baseball contracts and NBA contracts, I'm just floored, you know, our ownership group. Jody owns the Blazers,

you know, too. Mr. Allen, you know, ran the Blazers. And I always pepper those guys and their GMs about like the guaranteed money. Like, it just, it floors me. But hey, at the end of the day, it's entertainment, right? It's entertainment business. And we're all blessed to be a part of it. Okay.

A couple quick scouting questions for you. Sam Darnold, you guys sign him. Obviously, the connection with your new offensive coordinator, Kubiak, who's with Kyle, and they were with him. Do you go back? Like, how much do you rely on him coming out? the information is that more character-based, play-based, and then evaluating the play over the course of his career

and how Sam Donald ended up as the starting quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks. Yeah, really just preparing for, you know, what that period of time, right around the Senior Bowl and the Combine is really like a preparation for, like what's the landscape can look like and how quickly can we pivot. So, you know, if things are going a certain way, with a negotiation, how do we pivot?

So getting everybody on the same page, so relying on Coobes for sure, like the experience you had with Sam, Kevin O'Connell, you know, a professional friend of mine, you know, Ryan Grickson is there now too, Minnesota, Rob Bresenski, you're relying on our contacts and like the character, the leader, everybody that's coached him over the years

and then watching his progression and watching him improve. And we don't have NFL Europe anymore. And so these guys, they just, you know, the twos and threes, they don't get the reps they used to. And, you know, we don't have as much time with them to develop these guys. And so talking to everybody, you know, that it's the same thing with Gino, like all the coaches that had coached him like contacts over the years,

like talking to them about how he's improving, he's improving this area, he's improving that area. And then to put that on film, too, to sit and study as a group, you know, to have, like, you know, sit down with, um, with Coobes and the offensive staff and, and, and, uh, you know, work through the, uh, process of evaluating, uh, his progress and, and, and what that looks like, and can we help him? Can we not? So, um, yeah, the character, it's all, it all goes in, all, like, all the character, all the background that we've, you know, learned over the years from, you know, from my friend, like Fit and, you know, Scott Fitter and Dan

Morgan, those guys in Carolina. And that, you know, all the coaches have been, on them with the Jets and then Coops, you know, in in San Francisco. Well, Gino and Sam, I think, are good examples, like everything you've ever heard about him. Great guy, great guy, great guy. And I'm sure you hear that when you're scouting a player like that or from other places. But like when you're going to sign a guy, you extend to Gene or first signed him, I guess, as the backup originally. But Sam, as your starter, at what point you go, okay, I got 15 people telling me, like,

I feel really good about bringing this individual. because you can't just go off, hey, Middilkoff told me he spent the weekend with him, awesome dude. Like, you know, there has to be some sort of lines. Like, we're good with this. Yeah, that's where, you know, that's where, you know, we've made some of our biggest mistakes is just not taking as much time, you know, as we possibly should with all the contacts that we have, right? So have we covered all our bases? Have we checked all the boxes and making sure that we're, we're, we're, We're signing the appropriate person for our building because we think we have a, we love the people, whether it's, you know, our equipment staff, video, our trainer, our sports science group's amazing.

So how can we take care of these people and are we going to be able to support them? And so that's really the bottom line with it. And just where he's where he's been going, seeing him, you know, having the, having Coob's, you know, with him in a very, very similar system. It's hands-on. So, yeah, it's all of it. Okay, a couple quick draft questions. You drafts, Abel, the North Dakota State offensive linemen. It felt like there was a lot of buzz those last couple weeks.

Were you getting nervous? Like, way too many people are talking about this guy. Yeah. Yeah, we better draft them. We're going to get kicked out of here, you know. No, yeah, we were, you know, we had heard whispers about Dallas. You know, I think Dallas was 12 right in there, 12 or 14. And so 12.

12. Okay, yeah. So, you know, when once Booker was like, whoa, okay. So now it's going to start coming towards us. So, you know, we floated with going back a little bit. We definitely really wanted to pick a couple of times in the second round. We really like the second, third round this year. So, yeah, to your point, once Booker was taken, you know, we decided like, okay, like, we can't, I want to say Minnesota was 20.

24 or 25. So we're like we can't get going past, you know, that area. As we kind of felt like they would be looking for offensive. Is there a point where you have to get to to feel comfortable with a smaller school player drafting them really high? North Dakota State, you could argue borderline like Boise State or something. So it's not like tiny, tiny. But it's relative to Bama Georgia Ohio State. It's definitely a gap.

Yeah, that's like Jim Nagy in the senior bowl experience, right? like seeing him down there and being able to watch him, Greg talking out about now, like jumping in, stealing reps, left guard, right guard, center, right tap. I mean, he was like just like, like, if any of those offensive linemen were like, like just chilling in those drills, he was jumping ahead of him, excuse me,

and trying to steal their reps. So watching him, watching, you can see him compete against, you know, like to your point, SEC's defense line. And the defensive line group was outstanding. down there too. So that's where, you know, the comfort level and then just knowing that, you know, like their championship team, I think, you know, all those guys were like start our starters in NFL now. So yeah, that, you know, seeing the background, the history, they're taught real well there.

And yeah, being able to have that senior bowl experience firsthand is really impressive. And then, you know, Matt Barry is an offensive line expert here, Steve Hutchinson, you know, you know, Hall of Famer has been working with us. So having those guys their comfort level as well. And then having the coaches behind was huge for us. Emin Worry,

your second round pick, I don't want to compare him to D.K., but I mean, athletically, 632, 220, 438, 43-inch vert, 20 reps. DK got him there at 27, but similar just the explosion.

I mean, got to be one of the better athletes you've ever drafted in your career? Yeah, that's a really good point. DK and the numbers are ridiculous with Nick. You know, I remember I think we were, we had left. I had to go do something at the combine, so we had left at Dome and we were at a coffee shop or something, and they had a combine on there and he ran.

And I was like, they showed his testing numbers. I was looking up at it. I was meeting with, I was looking at him with an agent down there. And I was like, well, there he goes. We won't be able to draft him. You know, so, yeah, the numbers were crazy, and he's so young. You know, that's the thing, like 21, you know, like three years really planned. They didn't know if they were going to play him at linebacker or more safety at South Carolina.

He goes there. They throw him in, you know, with the safety group. They lose two starters, like first quarter, first half of the first game. And here he goes, he's starting. And it's really like, those three years go quick. I mean, I know you probably felt like that scouting too, like how fast. that goes. Jalen Milrow, if you just

watched that first half against Georgia, I remember sitting on my couch that night game, you could have argued he was the best player in the country. I mean, so he's shown in the highest level, brightest lights. Obviously, he's had, you know, coaching change, a lot of moving parts, but the highlight plays, and again,

you didn't draft him 10th overall. I mean, this was a third round pick. From a character standpoint, everyone seems to like him, freak athlete, the process of evaluating him when he came onto your radar and how that played out. Yeah.

Nolan and I saw him play live at, we flew to Madison and saw him play there. And it was very impressive. You know, first of all, when you see him in person, you know, whoa, this guy's, this is the guy running 22 miles an hour right here. That guy? You know, he's a physical specimen. But to be able to watch him interact with his teammates,

you know, how he conducted himself on the sidelines, interact with the coaches, and then all the different people that have coached him over the years, getting their insight, their input, about the work ethic. And that's really what stands out when you're seeing somebody like this, you know. And I go back to Brett again because Brett was like they had those wow throws and then those woe throws. And you're like, whoa, that was amazing. Or no, no, no, no, yes, nice throw. You know what I mean?

But, like, there was a little bit of that with Jalen as well. And then Brett's work ethic, you know, I'm sure you've seen those videos where he didn't know what a nickel defense was, didn't know what a dime defense was. He was just a baller. And, but the work ethic on Brett was huge in the competitor. And so, you know, I hate, like, you know, comparing the talent levels and all that kind of stuff. But, like, the makeup of the person, we had him out here on a, you know, a 30 visit. and he really impressed everybody. And I'm talking, like I said, like our player development people, the equipment people,

the people in the cafeteria, everybody loved the person. And then the competitor, now we can see it out here. Excuse me, his work ethic's outstanding. You know, he's here at 6 o'clock, leaving at 7, you know what I mean? He's just, he is whatever he said about the worker. And then, you know, he's been throwing the ball real well. and then by the way he can take off and score from like 70 yards. You know, it's like, wow, that just happened?

That game that you're talking about was like, did that? Really? What a crazy game, right? Wow. Oh, that was wild. And it's not like Georgia has me and you playing on defense. I mean, right? I mean, they got some, I mean, but back to the darnold, the character, the maturity,

factoring that in when you're going to pull the trigger on taking a guy on the second day of the draft coming from Alabama. Yeah. the conversations, how did you factor that in? Yeah, we, it was like, here he is, this is the spot, we're comfortable, these are the, we're sticking with our board, and then, you know, we have the buy-in, and here we go, but like, he doesn't have to start like day one, guys, like, you know what I mean? Like, everybody knows that going in, we have a plan, right? And so being able to be comfortable with that, okay, this is where he is, this is where we feel

comfortable drafting him. and these are the positions we want to hit first, you know. And then it's interesting when you bring up Nick, you know, Nick, like, I don't want to say ran him down the other day in practice, but Nick was flying across the field and kind of shoved him out of bounds a little bit. You know, it didn't shove him for the NFLPA. It wasn't even show him. No, no, two in.

But people over there and tapped him, right? But our TV coach, Jeff Howard's like, we've seen that. Because we literally, like, Nick was the only guy we saw running down in college. Like, you couldn't find anybody catching him. And so it's just like when you watch him take off, you're like, it's just shocking, you know. So it's safe to say Seattle's got a little faster in this draft with those two guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, it wasn't like a, wasn't like a, well, we need to get faster thing. It was like, here they are.

And they're good players. We love the upside. Okay. I know you're a busy man because. I don't know, you run an NFL team. So I'll get you out of here on this. The Gemini.com question of the day. You can get crypto rewards every time you make a purchase Gemini.com slash card.

If you could give your 21, 22-year-old self some advice when you were getting hired by Ron Wolfe and going to what turned out to be a legendary run with the Green Bay Packers to the Super Bowl winning GM that you're sitting here right now, what would you tell a young, hungry, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed John Snyder? Yeah. Have some patience, man. Slow down.

Slow down. Give yourself some grace, you know. And, you know, like, easy to say now, right? But we all have goals and ambition. You know, it's like, wow, just like, just like, just smelt and smell the roses sometime, you know. And, yeah. that's a that just the patience right like things are god's got you things gonna happen things are going to happen for you for a reason you know just have some patience and yeah but things are

going to things are going to go your way where you headed this summer any more fun my niece is getting married in florence yeah oh yeah yeah it's a big family trip yeah so it's going to be it's It's going to be excited. Yeah, I can go see some family in Wisconsin, some family and friends. And, yeah, being here at this time of the year is like when the sun's out. No, it's gorgeous, water. Like, what are you going to say? Yeah.

I can't, can I flip it? Here, I'll just go like this. I don't know if you can see it. It's a decent office view. Look at that. And then you got to remind yourself of that when it gets dark at like 3.30. in November, you know. Is that the office you were, you told the story when you were going to get the job

that you were promised the overlooking and then Pete took it? Did you steal that office back or is that? Yeah, we ended up switching after how many years, right? Like we ripped all the carpet up in here and like, yeah, we like made the change. Tim Rusco was down here and Coach Holmgren was at the other end. And yeah, the guy who was giving me the tours like, well, you know, Coach Homer nationally has a really cool office. It's huge.

I'm like, yeah, I don't need a shower that, you know, and it was a 6-5 coach homegrin, you know what I mean? But it was, it was fun and Pete, nice to joke about it all the time. It's like, wait a second. I think this was the one. So, but yeah, so this is the portion that, like, looks over the water and then the other ones that look over the field, but you can still see the water here, but it's, this is a beautiful area.

That's awesome. Well, thanks a lot, John. I can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and how much I've just admired you from afar. Well, same. Good job with all the stuff you're doing, man. It's fun listening to you guys. Have a great summer, and we'll talk soon for sure.

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he's not trying to have like corporate speak or worried about like looking and acting like the perfect GM. He just feels like a very authentic guy. And obviously when you have success in the position, it's easier to do that than maybe your first month on the job.

but I do think it's important. The reason you become who you became when someone hires you for a big gig, whether that's in the NFL or that's someone listening right now, they just got a promotion wherever they work. It's because of who you are and what you've done. And I think sometimes, especially in these public facing jobs, like being a GM or being a head coach or, you know, in the corporate world, being a CEO, or even some sort of management position. people just start talking like they think that it's supposed to sound like I don't know James Gladstone at all

I've never heard anything bad about him but the reason he got so heavily I would say laughed at during the Travis Hunter draft that like a couple day period because it felt like he was talking like someone would want you to talk

if you ran like Apple or you ran Facebook or something you know it's like Is this how you actually talk? And maybe it is. But when I watch and talk and just listen to John, he talks and comes off like he does with me, like he does in a draft press conference,

like he did 10 years ago when he was side by side in the peak of Legion of Booms Powers. And I think that's a quality, you know, it's hard. I mean, you've got to be self-assured. You've got to have some success. but I think when you can stay true to who you are, that is a very, very powerful quality for success. And the other thing is,

typically when you get hired in a big job, it's for a specific skill that you have shown that you have in the bag, right? Whatever industry it may be. And in football, John Schneider, once upon a time, got hired with Pete Carroll in 2010, because people thought highly of them as a scout. Like this guy can evaluate players.

He knows what it looks like. He can pick him. And his ability to evaluate who can play and who can't play is what separated him over the course of his young career. I mean, he got hired at 38 years old. And he talked about in that interview, like, I love going to watch college players. And I can't tell you how many times

my friends have been at a game. I remember a couple years ago, like when Will Levis was coming out. And at one point in time, people thought Will Levis might be like, I don't know, number one overall pick. And it was clear as last year got a little weird. And obviously, he shouldn't have been the number one overall pick. But John Snyder was just like a Kentucky game. Why? Because he wanted to see the top player or potentially.

And he still goes to all these games. And he didn't get hired because he was a lawyer and a dominant negotiator. he got hired because he can watch football players and tell you who and who can't play. And ultimately that's his, I mean, he has a lot of different hats as a GM. But his job, his number one job, the way that we all evaluate him on, especially his ownership and the fan base. And I'm sure he does a great job of because I've never heard a bad thing. Like how he interacts with the cafeteria people, how he interacts with the coaching staff.

Like all that shit matters when you're at the gym. GM, but it's like, can you pick good players? Can you build a team that consistently wins? And even the last couple years, like, Seattle's been a little out of the mix, it feels like. They went 9 and 8, 9 and 8, 10, and 7. So even their weird low points aren't really that low. Imagine what, like, the New York Giants would do.

John Morrow would sell his, like, left leg to be like, yeah, our shitty years are 10 and 7 missed the playoffs. But he knows that. Because it's easy to be like, yeah, I don't really want to do this. Do I really want to go watch South Carolina play Georgia when I've been grinding my ass off during the week, family stuff? And then, you know, do I want to go out a day early from the team to make sure that I make that game? Or even I fly out with the team because we're playing the Atlanta Falcons. And I immediately get into a car and drive to Georgia to watch this game at 8 o'clock at night.

Like, is that what I want to do? because I'll promise you this. Some GM's like, nah, I'm not doing that. It's going to my hotel room. Have a snack. Get a workout in. Hang out.

Watch some games on TV. That fucking guy's at the games. I mean, I don't think it's random that he's successful. Like anything, you have to work at your craft. And that would be a position once you start managing all these things.

To be like, yeah, I don't need to do as much as I once did. Right? Especially now. Like at one point in time when he first got hired, Pete was the boss. John was working for Pete. Like the Mike McDonald, John Schneider, John's one of the more powerful guys in the NFL.

And rightfully so, he's earned that. But he doesn't have to go to college games. He does not have to do that. I mean, I can't tell you how many people like, I posted a pick yesterday just like, you know, on Twitter and Instagram. and I had a couple buddies that are like aspiring GMs shoot me text messages like guys a badass

I want to be like that guy be myself not worry about the BS and just do the damn job that we all liked and loved doing you know John Snyder got into this role in this job in the 90s when obviously the NFL was big but

GM's making 10 million dollar. The highest paid coach probably back then was making a million dollars. It wasn't about the money and the fame. That's why I think

like Belichick and Pete Carroll and the Harbaugh brothers, I mean these guys got involved in football when there was, Andy Reed's first coaching job probably paid him like $500 a month.

You know, they got into for the game because they love football. Not, they didn't love what football provided, the money, the fame. And I think it's rare that you're able to kind of

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