The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Sharp or Square - NFL Week 5 Reactions: Broncos-Chargers, Bears-Packers and more

Episode Date: October 12, 2026

The fifth Sunday of the NFL regular season is almost complete! Chad Millman and Simon Hunter dive into their betting results from NFL Week 5 and check in on the gambling action after a long day of NFL action. Games recapped today include Drake Maye and the New England Patriots facing the New Orleans Saints, along with Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals visiting Malik Willis and the Miami Dolphins. Trevor Lawrence and the Jacksonville Jaguars took on the Philadelphia Eagles early this morning in London, and the Chicago Bears battled the Green Bay Packers in the wake of beloved coach Mike Ditka's recent passing. Also discussed today from a gambling perspective is an epic battle between Geno Smith and Deshaun Watson in an AFC showdown between the New York Jets and Cleveland Browns, plus Jayden Daniels and the Washington Commanders against Cam Skattebo and the New York Giants. Daniel Jones and the Indianapolis Colts visited Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the Detroit Lions went up against Jacoby Brissett and the Arizona Cardinals. Who won the showdown between C.J. Stroud and Cam Ward in the Houston Texans versus Tennessee Titans game? Plus, we hear about the Denver Broncos visiting the Los Angeles Chargers, their early Week 6 betting leans, and their Week 5 selections for Shame On You and Hero Of The Week. 0:03:30 - START 0:04:30 - PHILADELPHIA EAGLES VS. JACKSONSVILLE JAGUARS  0:06:20 - CINCINNATI BENGALS AT MIAMI DOLPHINS  0:08:10 - NEW YORK GIANTS AT WASHINGTON COMMANDERS  0:13:30 - MINNESOTA VIKINGS AT NEW ORLEANS SAINTS  0:17:10 - CHICAGO BEARS AT GREEN BAY PACKERS  0:26:50 - DENVER BRONCOS AT LOS ANGELES CHARGERS  0:34:40 - HOUSTON TEXANS AT TENNESSEE TITANS  0:37:40 - LAS VEGAS RAIDERS AT NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS  0:40:30 - BALTIMORE RAVENS AT ATLANTA FALCONS 0:42:30 - BUFFALO BILLS AT LOS ANGELES RAMS  0:53:00 - NFL WEEK 6 LEANS And follow this link to join our SQUAD on Polymarket: https://polymarket.us/squad/join/QsXLIpuMP6W6HkryjX3M?referrer=woozyfalcon4057See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Brother, second show today, second Westin hotel for me, this time in the Fighting City of Philadelphia, not too far from you. Dude, this morning we did our show. We had a flurry of last-minute changes to the lineup. Last ones in were the Bears and the Broncos last one's out were the Raiders and Lions.

It's rare we change out two games and go 2-0 on both of those games. It was that kind of day. Dude, before we get there, I know you got a lot of family in England. I know a lot of them were at the game today between the Eagles and the Jags. Honest to God, I thought they had found what could be the most remarkable way to lose a game until Washington, which we'll get to. So I had just landed in Philly when it happened. I think I heard the entire city scream at the same time. Man.

Yeah, awful, awful experience. But yeah, that's not that I scoff to you when you said are the Eagles tank in the season, but it's just I knew this team was never going to quit. They're never going to give up with a guy like J. It's playing quarterback for them. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how much talent or, you know, how hard your guys play. If your coach is an idiot, they'll make mistakes

into these games and cost you games. So, yeah, I honestly don't even want to talk about it that much. Because it took me like two hours to get over. I told Chad, I ate like four Philly soft pretzels. Just super eating my feeling sadness after the fact. So, yeah, I honestly came around my head around. I tried to, as soon as the end, I tried to bear it away. Because it's like, you know how it is as a fan.

That was the type of game that could ruin your week. Like you just, it's so painful to lose that way in a game that you dominated, you've stolen, you've won against a team that people viewed as a top three, top four, AFC type of team. So, yeah, off, off way. My cousins, like Chad said, I had family in England at the game. God bless them. They were so happy, so excited. That was probably just a horrible experience. So, yeah, really tough.

It was, I thought it was just going to be like heart of a champion, Philly defense. the way they handled it. The Jaguars hurt themselves, too. They had so many penalties, more than 100 yards in penalties. Every time they sort of took a step forward, they were taking two steps backs because of holdings, pre-snaps, delay games. I mean, there were a lot of classic Trevor Lawrence miskews in there.

In the end, there were some other moments today. The Miami Dolphins, who maybe touched seven early in the week, spent most of the week as six and a half point underdogs have a chance for the backdoor cover, miss an extra point to lose the game by seven. So all those wise guy Dolphins backers who were on Miami, thank freaking God we knew enough to stay away from this game, dude. Yeah, but nightmare scenario for the sports books

because they just let the public hammer the six and a half on CINC. Yes. Because they knew exactly how that was going to play out, which we both talked. That was just a fishy, fishy number all week. But just brutal. Like we talk all the time, sports books, no one's going to feel bad for them. But they had the seven and a half up. The professionals hammered it.

And then they moved to six and a half and the public hammered that. And they just lost on both. So, yeah, nothing you can do. You can have the perfect model. Still all comes down to the players in the field. And that was, like you said, that was insane when I landed right on that number. All right, let's start with, we're going to get into our NFL week five reactions. We're going to recap the glory and the misery of the day.

We are three and two. The day is done. One of those rare weeks, we don't have a Sunday night game, we don't have a Monday night game, a winning week for us with the Broncos, with the Packers, with the Texans. We lost with the Saints and we lost. with the Washington Commanders, which is where we are going to start. Jason, my buddy in the Discord, made a point.

All four NFC East teams today walked away without a win and two of them played each other because the New York Giants, who were three and a half point underdogs, the Washington commanders, tied the commanders 2727. No one wanted to win the game. How else do you explain it? I'll set it up.

I'm sure everyone's seen it by now. Camp Scadaboo fumbles the ball, driving in commanders' territory. All they have to do is hold on to the ball with less than two minutes left. The Giants, they're going to kick a game winning field goal. He fumbles. The commanders get all the way to the other end of the field. They got 15 seconds left. They have a full play clock.

They run a play with no timeouts. Jaden Daniels can't get every. bat it back on the ball and they end up not kicking a field goal, the game ends in a tie. We're going to get to shame on you, but there were just miscues, bad decisions, incompetent decisions. That's really what it was. It was coaching malpractice by the Washington commanders. It was, but it's, I mean, at the end of the day, they got Jamest. Like, it's just, he did nothing. I mean, he had okay for half a quarter and basically played possum, did nothing. Washington gets that two-point area.

They're up 14. Seven minutes to go, and I knew, okay, well, James is either going to drive the field here, get a touchdown or throw a pick. He drove the field, got a touchdown. I think it was on like a fourth down. He scored the touchdown, too. It was just classic James.

Okay, Washington is getting the ballback. Mean Chatter is still up seven. We need, what, one or two first downs here, and this game's over? Three and out, punt. James gets the ball. And just multiple times where, like, they had penalties that they got sacked.

And every time, James got them the deep play where Dan Quinn thinks he's Brian Flores and he's just going to blitz every down where a guy like Winston you just run zones you make him pick apart your defense he will eventually will throw one up and get picked instead he's giving them one-on-one to the outside of neighbors and neighbors is winning that every time downfield so yeah just just brutal no cover like you just it all kind of broke the way we thought right Jan Dino's had a great game exactly incredible and Dan Quinn once again, it's supposed to be a defensive mind, terrible. And yeah, you're more upset than I am, obviously, about the overtime. I was super mad that he won the Twentee toss and decided to kick to the Giants. So no matter what, our bed was basically, our bet was dead. Dead. So I was literally praying for a tie.

Once that happened, I was either hoping for a pick six or a tie. And luckily ended in a tie because I just, I didn't think Dan could deserve to win that game with that team. but at the same time, the Giants, like you said, the Scada Bow Fumble, they didn't deserve to win that either, right? They had the game, he turned it over, and they're just as happy as anyone else to win that or get that tie. They couldn't believe it. The people, I mean, the more shocking part, too.

I know I know if you're watching the game with the volume on. The announcers didn't know what happened with Gia knows. They were so nonchalant, too, until they realized, oh, they don't have a time either because they, the way G&Danos played that was if he thought they had a timeout. They were just so nonchalant. Even the announcers thought that until the, they heard the moaned of the crowd and they started panicking.

So, yeah, that's, I can't remember the last time it's happened. I know it does happen. It feels like every other year, but I honestly can't remember. So just probably the worst ending to a game, if you're a fan of the Washington community, as you could possibly ask for. You blew a 14-point lead now. You blew an easy field goal. I mean, they're at the 20-yard line, so just brutal.

I'm watching. I keep looking up because I was keeping an eye on the Niners Seahawks game, which is now over. Niners win 32-29. the road. Devin combined turnovers in this game. Seahawks gave the ball up, I think, twice inside their own

10 and once inside their own end zone on a kneel down at the end of the half. So those are the differences for the Seattle Seahawks, which was a brutal, brutal beat for us, Seahawks backers. We nailed this commander's game. That's what's frustrating about. Jaden Daniels,

third and 11 in the rain, straight at the field. No fear puts his shoulder down for their first field goal. He had went 38 yards up the middle, midway through the third to go up 19 to 6, long as rushing touchdown of his career. Nine rushes, 103 yards, two touchdowns. Here's what was interesting. You just said we got Jamest. I'm going to give you the stats. In the first half, James goes, 7 of 16, no touchdowns. In the second half, just in the second half, and overtime. 26 of 38, 254, three touchdowns, including the game-tying touchdown pass to Malik neighbors

with less than two minutes left. That's rough. That's what you get when you play with fire. You play with James, you play with Dan Quinn. That's what you're going to get. Let's talk about the other loser on our slate today. Minnesota at New Orleans, Orleans was a two and a half point dog. We were never getting out of the way of this one.

We both wanted to be on New Orleans. We wanted to back Tyler Shuck. We wanted to back Tyler Shuck at home. We didn't think the Minnesota offense was good enough. We were playing with fire, really playing with fire on this one. And it turns out the New Orleans defense is what could make the Minnesota offense finally look good, even when Minnesota was turning the ball over inside their own 10-yard line twice. Exactly.

We played the spot. We know the Saints are not that good of a team. We've said it a million times. It's a bad team. But Shuck gave us nothing. He threw for 96 yards. Flores did his thing, obviously. I mean, he could throw his 96 yards, two picks.

Just we had our hopes up because he started so well against bad defenses, Shuck. But we've seen here now, I mean, if it keeps going this way, they're obviously going in the market for a quarterback. He's just not the guy. And this is the situation where if he had just gave them a C plus, a B minus type of game, they easily cover possibly win this game. Just because we talked about it, this Vikings offense, they're just not right yet. And Kyle played much better in this game, but a lot of it was down to his legs.

Like they had a couple third and 11th. He used his legs to get the first downs. Justin Jefferson's touchdown was in a triple coverage. It was like a once, you know, perfect ball, a little bit of push off by Jeff of something, but like insane back of the corner touchdown. Then we get, basically we're dead in this game. They get that phone work car. We take the other way to score, touch on the Saints.

And missed the extra point. Missed the extra point. And that's right. I thought we're dead because in my mind it was like, okay, now we're back in it. And we have a weird number now because I think at the time it was going to be 14 to 13. Yeah. And yeah, respect to Collier Murray drove right down the field and we got the ballback scored a touchdown. And this week, like we'll talk about a bunch of games.

I love this week because we talk about all the traps. it's the traps of are you a playoff team or are you not? Are you for real or are you not? Minnesota won this game, they were not supposed to. They were supposed to stumble in this game. They're for real. I mean, just across the board, they're getting so little from their quarterback to Pescoal Weeks and Kyler did enough in this week that it really stood out, right?

We saw him once you were able to get the safeties to drop back. Now they're able to run it. I think they ran it for another hundred yards this game. So it's just, if Kyle can figure it out, the Vikings, they're just going to keep getting better. They're just a scary team. Honestly. So that was a really impressive. Anytime you win by double digits on the road and that type of game, that's a really impressive win.

So, yeah, bad read by us. I couldn't agree more. They played a game that they probably should have lost. Kyler found ways to win. He started 11 of 11 in the game. Maybe he's getting a little more comfortable after effects of the concussion, getting some real game time inside the offense.

Again, we'll have to do our analysis during the week because we'll get a better sense how much of this was just the Saints defense being absolutely atrocious. Two opportunistic players. I said inside the Vikings 10-yard line. It was inside the Saints 10-yard line because if the Vikings don't turn those two plays over, they might win this game 34 to 3 because they were driving on both of those. So it'll be interesting to see, like, how much do we really give credit to the Vikings once we dig into the numbers a little bit more? Last game in, I could argue this in one other game. Last game in, Chicago at Green Bay.

We had said early in the week, we don't like the bears in this spot. Tyson Bayesian shouldn't really be a favorite of two and a half points on the road in a rivalry game. But the line moved against us, so we didn't feel. feel comfortable really being aggressive about it on the show. We had both bet into the Packers. I bet the Packers on the money line. And then this morning, thank God for you, Simon. Because I would have signed us off, and I would not have brought this game up

because I thought the number had moved too much. And you brought it up. You made a very good point. Do you remember the point that you made all those soft pretzels and Eagles misery 10 hours ago? I don't know if I said it was one of my bigger bets or this was a trap or it was one my bigger positions, but you said something about it being one point off. Like it should have been two and a half and it was one and a half and you were worried about that. And I was just like, Chad, I didn't want to kill you about it because it was eight in the

morning. I was just like, dude, this one point ain't going to matter, my friend. I don't want to tell you. No, that's what you said though. That's what you said. I didn't want to kill you because you're a Bears fan. But I was just like, this guy doesn't get it. Like, I think you saw that it was a trap line. But it's like the Bears are supposed to lose this game by 10 here.

Like it's just, it's a bad spot. It's why I bet the Packers on the money line. But I didn't know. I was just shocked you questioned it because normally you had been right there with me. It's like such a stinky line. But even you were just like, you don't care that the points. It's not two and a half. It's like, no, no one cares.

They're about to get killed. We do talk about trying to get the best of the number here. And this one we just. Yeah, this game doesn't matter like that. Yeah. It's just, again, if it's Denver, like the Chargers, yes. If it was four and a half, I wouldn't have bet that minus four and a half. I agree with you.

Best of the number matters there. This game, it just, it stunk so bad. I bet so heavy to it. It's like, if I get this wrong, bury me. I should no longer be a professional better because it just, it just wreaked eye heavens where every bookmaker is like, yeah, 90% of the money right now is on the bears. It's like, oh, my God. People are just walking right into this one.

So everything went right for a big day, everything. You know, we're all, I'm with my wife and my younger son who's on fall break. So we took advantage of the extra time. And we were in Columbus and we flew to Philly to see our older son. and so we were all watching the game. We got back to, we got to his apartment in time to watch the whole game. It was, as a Packer better today, I was rest free. As a Bears fan, I thought this game exposed all the things that we had said on Tuesday, right?

The Bears have played one good offense so far this year, the Panthers, and they scored 59 points, but they gave up 30-something points. They haven't played another good offense this year, and I think they've been overvalued because if you look at their analytics, their analytics are great as a defense, but that's not really who they are. And we knew this was a game where they could just get thrashed,

which is exactly what Jordan Love did in this game. He would just throwing bombs downfield nonstop. Yeah, it was a game. I thought they were going to get rolled, but everything went right for Green Bay. It was just... Yes. And that's my whole point with some of these games

where like I remember I said case Case had the game of his life against the Eagles that was a one in a thousand type of game and Bear Strange was like oh you don't get it's Benjohn's system I do give a ton of praise of Ben Johnson I'm telling you it's just it's impossible to throw off your back foot

and have insane completions that go for touchdowns all the time like he just played out of this world even when he came in this game he played better than Beijin but it was just like Green Bay was just feeling themselves they were just flying around defensively yeah the most by far anyone that has watched Green Bay this year is by far the most complete game they played.

But like I said, all the deep balls with Jordan Love, what's a 50-50 ball, where it's all 80-10, 90-10. Like it's just 90 times out of 10. His guy was coming down at Watson. Insane, insane game, golden insane game. Both of them had like six catches, 144, 120-something receiving yards. So, yeah, like, are we going to be super high on Green Bay now going forward? No.

Just simply played the spot situationally. and just, yeah, the line stunk. So really happy to come out of the win on that one. Yes, that was a nice one to change out, especially because the other one we were thinking about was Las Vegas, which we'll get to. But there was a wild sequence in this game. Jordan Love was unconscious.

He was just, I almost feel like they were trying to embarrass the bears because there is this rivalry, which is great. And I love that LaFleur and Ben Johnson, mostly Ben Johnson, will go after each other. But there was a sequence where they went deep to Christian Watson, he was interfered with, they didn't call it. The next play, they go deep the other side of the field, score a touchdown. They call the PI, offensive PI and the Packers. The very next play

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We don't love their game plan. We're not high on Herbrop. No one has any reason to be right now. But we also talked about Sean Payton taking over some of the play calling. And for three and a half quarters, it kind of didn't matter. They were terrible. And then they did what the Broncos do. I will tell you this.

I think it was tied at 17, Simon, midway through the fourth. Sean Payton has fourth and one. Went for the field goal. I was so spiteful in that moment. What was your take on his decision? Forget about if you're betting the game. If you're not betting the game, you're like, oh, that's the right call? Are you like, this is crazy?

He should just go for the touchdown right here and then it'll be pinned back. Yeah, there's no rhyme or reason in this league. I don't know what to think anymore. And everything just doesn't make sense. What horrible did at the end of the game doesn't make sense. What he did at the end of that game doesn't make sense. Your defense is dominating other than a couple busted run plays and missed tackles. Why would you not just pin Herbert on the one?

I mean, okay, if you stop him, you don't get a safety. At least he's punted in. You're back on their 50 or 40. Like it just was very bizarre when he kicked that three. The whole whole game was bizarre. Another game where I watched a ton of it, because I did, honestly, it fell on me the decision to put that one in.

Like you were never all in on this one. My view of it was just a lot of pros I knew that were on the Chargers side, where I got the reasoning for it, I kept saying I feel like the market's not bringing in the fact that there's four rookie offensive linemen now on this Chargers side, going against a team that has just been dying

to just dominate a team. And watching this game, I just can't get over how disinterested Bo Nix looks. I have no idea what's wrong with them and that offense. And Sean Payton comes in, and apparently it took over the play calling duties. I've watched a lot of Denver film this year. It looked nothing different.

This week, this game looked nothing different in the previous four games. So I don't know. I have no idea what my opinion is going forward on Denver. I feel so lucky to have stolen this cover just because Denver dominated the first half and they're only up 10-3. And you could just see it as someone that had bet on this game. They went 0 and 8 on third down. They punted eight straight times in this game, the Denver.

And we still somehow covered because that's how awful the charters are. That was my whole point for betting this. But you know, you're not thinking that when we're losing this bet and Detroit's up by 21 points. And it's just like I overthought that one way too much just because it's another thing where I invested so. in Detroit. I didn't get why it wasn't up to six. I just, I did not get that line at all that it didn't move to where I was betting it. So, I don't know what we're going to do going forward Denver. I am so happy not to bet them though, if we can for the next week or two, just because Bo Nix is truly painful in this game. He passed for 123 yards against that Chargers defense.

I can't believe it. Like, it's just, there's so, something is so wrong right now, Denver, but, yeah, I found a way to win. So thank you so much. We need to. to three, two week desperately, and they got it for us. Meanwhile, next week, the Broncos at home Thursday night, plus two and a half against the Seattle Seahawks, I'm so glad we can't put that one in the contest. I thought the only time I really saw a difference between Sean Payton play calling and Davis Webb play calling was once they got a little momentum in the second half. half of the fourth quarter. A couple times they rolled Bo Nix out and like that's usually when

he's most comfortable. And then they had just a couple of great misdirection runs. But yeah, like, this was a terrible, terrible offense. The chargers weren't any better. It's just a joke to me to watch Mike McDaniel on that sideline. The amount of credit this guy has gotten, the amount of enthusiasm there is for the way he dresses or because he wears a Rolex on the sidelines or because he's wearing tinted glasses or he's wearing ankle sweats. The guy's got more flash on the asylum and he does in the playbook. This team has just been atrocious. And I do think that all of the worst things that Justin Herbert,

all of his worst habits that he used to be able to get away with, they are all coming to the four now. And that offensive line is a big reason why. I think he's broken because he doesn't trust him. So he's always like trying to force a pass. make the play, get out of the pocket, and it puts him in so many vulnerable positions. I mean, that second, that second ever that fourth quarter was just because the line couldn't protect him and the Broncos kept beating him up and getting the ball.

Wild. You're right about the Broncos. Yeah, once again, though, it's hard to blame too much on Herbert just because they don't have any receivers. They have no offensive line. It's impossible. We're asking him to do something that's literally impossible. It's just the fact that they were going to steal that game, like you said, if they just didn't

have those stupid turnovers or went for their own 20 or whatever it was on 30, they probably would have just covered this game where he easily could have won it. But they just, they couldn't get out of their own way. Like Herbert, like you said, his worst, things were popping up where he's just trying to do too much. And it's, he's a competitive guy. So like, yeah, he, he blessed us, honestly. Like, he had. He really did. He did. He just had all these stupid turnovers. I mean, he even had picks. He threw a pick and they called it back on PI. Yeah. And I just kept thinking, I don't care because I know he was going to give us another one. He just, he can't help it because he's trying to win this game and it's always going to be third and ten.

They couldn't run the ball either. It's just everything happened with Brockers that thought it was going to happen other than Bo Nix. He was just, I can't get over how bad he was. 123 passing yards, four carriers for 10 yards. I mean, what is the point, Bo Nix? You're surrounded by a great offensive line, a ton of weapons against a horrible defense and he did nothing. So that's what people can tell. Like, we won this game.

I was so hate watching the second half of this game where it's like, I can't believe me and Chatter can go two and three again where they should be winning this game by 20. But it's just Denver, I got to readjust. Denver is definitely not getting better, which I thought they would be at this time. They're just getting worse. It feels like more inconsistent. When Sean Payton, honest to God, when Sean Payton didn't go for the touchdown on that fourth and one, I was going to start rooting for the Chargers just to spite Sean Payton.

I was just so like, what are we doing here? This is just idiotic. The thing I'll say about Herbert, we've seen this a million times with quarterbacks. At some point, you kind of get bad habits and you get broken, right? And if it happens again and again and again, he's had so much bad luck with injuries to his offensive line that have forced him to make decisions about how he's going to win a game,

that at some point it just becomes ingrained. It's hard to break out of that stuff. So it'll be curious for me, like, when they finally get a healthy offensive line, can he actually do anything with it? Houston, this one, we didn't care about the number. It was seven, it was seven and a half in the contest. They were on the road at Tennessee. We kind of didn't hesitate on this one. Texans scored on a Titans fumble.

Texans were settling for field goals in the first half. They had four. Their drives on anemic offense, 10 plays 49 yards. Six plays 18 yards. Six plays 34 yards. Six plays 34 yards. The good news they're playing against Cam Mord. Talk about broken.

Dude, this is rough. Just rough. Yeah, always nice, though, when you basically get a free one from just the NFL season. We, like, we joke. This was just an easy game. We tried not to ever think. We've seen this movie a thousand times. And played out just as you thought.

Texas are a good team. They had a really tough matchups. They had a couple games that they could have won very end, didn't break their way. So their 0 and 4 instead of 2 and 2. So if they were 2 and 2, numbers probably 10 and a half, and me and Chad don't bet this one.

Like it's just simple as that. We knew we're getting three, maybe four points of value here. We didn't know we were getting 23 points of value. But we did, though. Like I said, I would not be shocked that that was going to be a 30 to 3 type of game. And it got right there because it just, Demico is such a good coach

and we joke once we heard we both heard he had taken over play calling due which I also said I thought was going to happen you saw it on the field the defense just played at a different level because they loved their coach and they knew they embarrassed them by defense we talked about championship defense

that we thought that they were going to be coming into the season and they just haven't been that level in this game they really were like Cam Ward he's like you said he's just so bad so many bad habits and in this game they exposed all of them again. It's just that's what good defenses do,

especially against quarterbacks floundering like him. So, yeah, CJ, you know, 34 pass attempts completed for, you know, 260 yards. So it wasn't like he had to ask to do much. They had, you know, I think they're averaging four yards per carry offensively. So like you said, they were settling for field goals in the first half. If they scored touchdowns, it never would even have been, even in the range, wherever it was, 12 to 3, like I kind of have a sweat.

But, yeah, that's another game. I'm just glad we didn't wake up this one and talk ourselves out. We basically both disagreed to keep it moving and just put it in. So, yeah, I wish I'd obviously been more into it. It's just, man, you look at that number and it comes down to like seven. Some books are shown six and a half. It's just like, I talked to some pros who did bet in. It's just like, what are you guys betting here?

So, yeah, I wish I'd obviously invested more of that Texas number. The game-changing drive on that that sort of made us finally feel comfortable after not looking good offensively in the first half, They opened the second half that went 17 plays, 74 yards, and 8.5 minutes. It was never the same from there. Simon, let's talk about quickly, Las Vegas, New England, we took it out. I think we felt like, I think I said this morning, we're trying to catch a falling knife here. Are we oversubscribed to a Raiders team that has been very competitive?

has had Kirk in the perfect scheme looking like he was 10 years younger, firing dimes into triple coverage. Or is Drake May and the Patriots on the Ascent after a big win against Buffalo? The Raiders were so uncompetitive. It's hard to know if the Patriots are really on the Ascent off of this game. Drake May was great. I think he counted for five touchdowns today. but I'm really glad we took it out and we came to our senses and we didn't get suckered into this sort of a very public road underdub.

Yeah, just brutal. Obviously, if you're someone that believed in the Raiders, this was like everything went wrong type of game. Their defense totally fell apart. Drake May looked like he did last year. Just played an all pro level. Like you said, five touchdowns. Passed for 375 yards just about.

just incredible game by the Patriots. I mean, we said they're down four cornerbacks. Their backups who played in the game played pretty well. Like early on the game, there was huge openings, and Brock Bowers was torched them, and they really settled in, once midway through the second quarter felt like in the rest of the game. And we said it, they were kind of due for a bad Kirk Cousins game.

And he didn't play that poorly. He just couldn't get off the field on third downs. On the flip side, every time the Patriots touched the ball, it felt like they drove the field and scored a touchdown. So, yeah, people always ask, like, if you guys have it on your radar that it's a bad spot and you're taking it out, why don't you ever pick the other side? I guess it's a fair point. It's just a weird feeling because I've already bet it.

Like, I've already bought Vegas. Now we're putting Patriots in the contest, but that is a good point. Like, I've had people bring that up, but we do that a lot where we take out these lines. And because we know they're no longer good. And it's like, why don't we play the other side? But, yeah, that was one of the bigger Shalachans of the day, 45 to 17. So Vegas, like I said, this type of game, if they went in there, won this game, this is a team that we would be talking about fighting for their division come December.

Now they're right back to, eh, maybe they'll be the seventh seed, most likely missed the playoffs. Like, they just, this really drops the Raiders model view. Like, they're just not, I'm not going to have them anywhere near Ohio's rate as I did come into this game. I tell you that much. So it's just a type of game that kind of doesn't make or break your season, but it's a tone setter. for a team's legit, really tough spot against a good team of the Patriots. Patriots lived up to that and much more here.

They really, really impressed here with the big win. Quickly for Sunday night football, Baltimore and Atlanta, we know that Lamar Jackson isn't playing. You would bet into this game quite a bit. It's at three and a half, maybe three at some places now. But we didn't put it in the contest just because neither of us felt good. about saying better to three and a half when it had been in much, much lower numbers. I'm still on Atlanta here.

Yeah, like I'm on Atlanta, but I just, you can't bet them a minus three and a half. Even if they win in cover tonight, you're chasing a dead number and a bad number. It's just, in my opinion, even though on Atlanta, I'm best in them. I told you everything was below three. So plus three and a half, if I never bet this game, I'll either. take a position on the Ravens or do what I always say, which is if you miss the best of the number, you hope the Ravens get the ball to start off,

drive the field, get a touch under a field goal. Now you have a much better number in Atlanta. So if you just want a way to get Atlanta, I don't hate them, but I just would only do it under three. I feel like Stu Pundley's not that bad. This should be a close game. And this could be a peak Atlanta. I mean, if Lanna wins this, then it'll definitely be a peak.

But Atlanta's coming off back-to-back, steam rolling of teams. putting up over 40 points in pride in time type of games. I mean, it's just hard not to want to. Like Chad said, he wants to bet him. He bet him. I do too. But I just don't want to give it out of a bad number.

So that's my problem here. Like Atlanta could win big again tonight. We know this is a really good match of them, especially offensively. I just don't know what the rims could do to stop this Falcons offense. But I just hate telling people to bet a bad number, which that's what this is right now. It's a bad number for taking the Falcons. Let's do a quick Monday night because a lot of, people are thinking about that game. The Rams are three and a half point favorites over the

bills in Los Angeles. The numbers moved a full point, moved over a key number of three. It was at two and a half last week when we were thinking about Josh Allen on the bills. We were tempted at three and a half this morning, but we're a little bit wary because the number has moved the way it has with so little resistance. It's not just the public coming in on in the Rams. There's, you know, we know there's wise guys. money that is coming on this side too so we're a little bit wary of taking the bills here yeah and the public's actually hammering the bills this is this is all all pros all over the rams and i told you i've been trying to find out if all the rumors are true if josh allen's actually heard and is that why this

number's moving it's it's got to be something because i just i don't get it where you know there is no Miles Garrett in this game. And yes, Puka and Devante Adams, they should do well against this second day. This got lit up last week by Drake May without his number one. Like I get that whole opinion. You know, you could say what you want about this Bill's team. They're secondary. But they do have guys on the front that have gone out for the quarterbacks.

And we've seen Stafford, in the year he has struggled with pressure. Like that Eagles game took a miracle 14 point comeback. I mean, it was just, they haven't been consistent either of the Stafford team. So it's really hard for me. It's like I want to be with the public on the bills, but especially after today, we both know that's most likely a losing bet. The public has just got absolutely killed this week.

So I already bet the bills and teasers. So like I have them in nine and a half and eight and a half. So maybe I'll keep waiting this one out and see if this number goes up to four. If the pros keep hitting it, like I just either way, I feel like I don't have to rush if I want to bet the bills on the flip side, If you want the Rams, you can still get minus three, I'd take that position at this point because I just know the professionals are going to keep hitting the Rams. They just, they know something, and I'm clearly missing it.

So, yeah, I wish I was more dug in on that one because it's such a fun game and it's such a great match. I wish I was more opinionated on it, but I just don't, I'm missing something here because I can't believe Josh Allen's three and a half point favorite. It's just, it feels like we're missing an easy gift here where it's like, okay, he always has the ball in the game. him by three. He's never getting blown out by more than that. It takes a miracle for him to lose by more than that. So yeah, it's very telling the book's taking this position here with this rampside. The hard rock bet casino app is here, Ontario. It's safe, secure, and crystal clear with fast payouts and 24-7 local support. You can play over 3,000 games right here, including hard rock bet casino exclusives. The hard rock bet casino app is here, Ontario. Roll with us.

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For me, as a Bears fan in the week that Mike Dick had died, RIP, let's pour it out for the guy that I think is probably the second most influential person in the history of the Bears franchise after George Hallis. This was a classic emotional hedge. As a secondary hero, Simon, it is to you, my BFF, for bringing this up because I was not going to do it. I played the Packers Money line. I was not going to bring this up this morning. Thank God you did because it knocked out the bet that would have put us a two and three with the Las Vegas Raiders. I'll go with my year of the week, Damica Rines. Everything I said, Houston's defense was going to do, they really showed up and did it.

And then some, they were really impressive today. And Desperly needed it. That team desperately needed it. And it's just impressive. When we see Houston doing what they did in this game, it's only give up three. points and just dominate from start to finish. Yeah, got to give him props. It's just such a pressure spot.

They could have easily folded up here and still could have won, but not covered for us. But no, no brainer blew them out one of our easy bets of the week. So, yeah, DiMiko Ryan's here the week. I feel like we're going to be aligned on this one. Shame, shame, shame on you, Dan Quinn. Not just for the OT, not deciding to kick it, not the incompetence at the end of the overtime, but for the entire second half of the fourth quarter, giving up two touchdowns to James Winston in the final seven and a half minutes when you're up 14 points is absolutely shameful. They never should have been in the position of having to make a difference.

decisions in overtime the way they were. You stopped them once. You stop them on one drive. And this game is over. Shame, shame, shame. Dan Quinn. I got to go with Shuck. I can't get over how bad in that game watching. Shame on you, Shuck. 96 passing yards in a full game. Not a single rushing attempt, which also blew my mind. You're not this 30-year vet, man. You're 26, 27 years old. Use your legs. It's what you've been so good with early in the years,

getting out of the pocket when there's no one opened downfield. Instead of forcing terrible throws, I mean, that game was so brutal. Yeah, two picks, 96 yards pass and zero rushing attempts, just a total nothing from Shuck in a game that they were begging for the Vikings. They were literally going stack box. I think they are giving up three yards per carry in this game against the Saints team. They just literally were like beat a shuck and he could not do it. So shame on you.

Sorry, Saints, but it looks like you're going to be in the market for a quarterback where he's just, every defense that has some semblance of a secondary, he's done nothing this year. And I got it against bad team, he lights him up. But I was dying for that second half, second half magic where we're going to halftime up seven, six, chat at home. And we don't cover the number we lose this, but it's just, it's all on you, Shuck. It really is. All right. Some early leanings, two games, well, a few games stood out to me.

Two games immediately stood out to me. Carolina Panthers on the road. One and a half point underdogs immediately saw that. They're playing the Eagles. we assume Sequin might be back, Devante Smith might be back, but how am I not betting on Bryce Young as a road underdog because that's the spot that we always like to bet on Bryce Young against a team that is struggling

and might have some real offensive line issues, even if the Panthers' defense isn't very good. I don't know, but it's definitely another sucker bet. You know it is, but I don't hate it because I think if you're grabbing now, they could flip to be in a favorite. So if you're talking strictly value, yes, bet it, but this is going to be another 80% of the bets, 80% of the money is going to be on the Panthers. Same today with the Jags. There's no difference.

Even if you won on the Eagles today, you still felt like you lost because it was just such an embarrassing loss. So I have no idea what the early money is doing right now, but just I'm guessing. I think pros and the public would join chat and they will bet Carolina. So I don't hate it. I'll maybe I'll bet if it's plus 110 right now they're money line or something. but you just want to grab the plus one and a half, I don't hate that either on Carolina. Colts minus six and a half hosting the Titans.

I really grabbed it because I think it's going to move to seven. Let's go back to the well. Yeah. It's going to move to seven. One place I already moved it to seven. It's at minus 115 in a lot of places. I just wanted to get it because I feel like when we do more research, we're going to be like, yeah, what are we doing here?

So give me the Colts touchdown to cover. Totally fair. The last one, Cleveland's a four and a half point homeowner dog against the Ravens. Yeah, it's already had three and a half. So yeah, if you can get four and a half. Oh, it is. Yeah, grab it. One time, we don't know who the quarterback is for the Ravens.

We expect Lamar will be back. If he is, maybe this does go up to five and a half, six and a half. Who knows? So I wouldn't go too crazy on Cleveland right now, but this feels a little bit of Lamar line, the fact they're already hanging plus four and a half plus three and a half so um i don't mind that it's definitely a bet i made before he came on the air what uh what am i missing yeah it jumped out to me right away um just based off just lines that look funky tampa's plus three at home against pittsburgh yeah i felt that was interesting just because pittsburgh was so dominant

felt like today i thought that be a bigger line even though tampa you know covered one and covered and I'm sure the public got more sediment on them. I just, I'm shocked you can get plus three plus three and a half on that opening number. Bears plus one and a half at Atlanta. I know.

I mean, usually I usually I take a position on where I think the line's going to go and I obviously think Atlanta's going to win tonight. So I know I'm supposed to take a position on them, but that just jumps out to me right away. That's a fishy line. Like that's them saying Caleb's going to be back. So, um,

I'll grab it just in case Sue Huntley rolls Atlanta tonight and maybe this line flips when it's Caleb Williams. So it's just I don't know if I'll have my position of like heavy next week on the Bears but that line jumped out right away just because they played so bad.

I just Ben Johnson's such a good coach. I expect them to bounce back. Like this type of guy I believe in especially coaching wise. It was kind of the same thing I did with Detroit today with Dan Campbell. It's like you get embarrassed like that in those type of games. You bounce back. Now, Detroit was way better than I could ever receive.

It's kind of the same feeling here with the Bears. It's just you expect a big bounce back here. I can't believe the books hung them at that number because I thought I opened at plus three. So very telling the books to hang the plus one. So once again, don't need to grab it right now if you don't want to. Just one that jumped out to me. And another game that is very interesting. The way the books hung it, they're letting the public decide is Sunday night, Green Bay versus Dallas.

Green Bay is minus one and a half against Dallas. Right away, it's like, don't we just hammer Dallas? Everyone in the world was all for them on Thursday night. They got embarrassed. And that's the type of game. We bet it and we know it's a true, we're flipping a coin because it's going to come down to the defense here. But I don't know if Green Bay should be favored over them

just because they kind of had this fluke blowout win here. Like it feels like a total overreaction by the book. So that's another one. where I don't need to rush to bet the Cowboys. I honestly think I could get plus two and a half. I can be patient here and try to get the best number. But just was interesting, a couple of books opened them at plus one. Already moved to Dallas to plus one and a half.

I know we got to get out here because this game's going to start. But one more, I know we won't bet them. But the Saints, they're plus one and a half at the Giants. So that's another one that's just, I like the books are just letting it, letting the people decide they can't they can't decide that one either because shuck looks so bad you should be bad in the saints here right like we've seen those that data of teams that are favorite after playing an overtime game it's never an ideal spot right that's like whatever they're how many extra snaps their defense play and that was a very physical game against Washington so I know we can't do it but we're supposed to so that's going to be a fun conversation this couple of week about what we're going to do that saints number because I don't want to touch it right now. out, but it's like screaming at me, grab this now. So another fun number this week. All right, folks.

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