The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - Alabama's Kalen DeBoer first impression, Michigan stars leave for NFL Draft

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert react to the Alabama Crimson Tide’s introductory press conference for new head coach Kalen DeBoer. The guys discuss their first impressions with the former University of Washington coach at the helm of this new era of Alabama football. The guys then react to Michigan QB JJ McCarthy and RB Blake Corum declaring for the NFL Draft, and whether this will have any impact on Jim Harbaugh’s decision to stay at Michigan or head to the NFL. 03:00 - Jimmy Sexton got his guys PAID 12:00 - Kalen DeBoer to Alabama  20:00 - Kalen DeBoer press conference reaction 40:00 - Why Aaron went to Georgia 50:00 - Other coaching hires (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. Devon, y'all, welcome in Monday. Oh, shit, not bad, dude. I have my YouTube, like, stream playing into the audio starting. Whatever, it doesn't matter. What's up, y'all? Sorry for the awkward beginning there. Monday, January 12th,

2024, and this is a brand new episode of... January 12th, January 15th. I mean, come on. Fuck! I'm trying to tweet some shit, okay? What do we do? What do we do? What are we doing?

How about you welcome this in? Let's do a little way. Hey, welcome in. Happy Martin Luther King Day. Happy Monday, January 15th. And another edition of SNF. Appreciate you all jumping in. Like, subscribe, all that good stuff.

And now I'm going to pass it over to the man who his job is to know this before we start. But there is to you. I'm tweeting. I just watched 40 minutes of Cail and DeBoer Press conferences prevarves for today's show. Please make it worth. my time by coming to watch. Bang. Post. Elon, there you go.

Okay, so we're going to, so we're obviously we're going to talk Kaelin DeBoer and Alabama today. As I want to say that news broke right after we finished the show on Friday or Thursday. Or that would have been, no, because it broke on Friday. I'm all over the place. Point is it broke after we get on. We've got to talk about. We'll talk about it. We'll talk to me other hires that were made.

Fish in at Washington, Ryan Grub, going with the board to Alabama, Steve Sarkeesian getting extended, JJ McCarthy declaring for the NFL draft and some Alabama players starting a leave the time. How about this? My buddy sent me this. I need to probably fact check it, but this was interesting. Jimmy Sexton putting on a master class this week, his client, Nick Saban, retires. Yeah. He uses the Alabama job to leverage to get raises for his other clients.

Dan Lannning. Revelle, Steve Sarkesian. He then replaces, he then places another client, Kaelin DeBoer, at Alabama. Absolutely textbook. Yeah. No, no, no. I mentioned it on Friday on the other shows,

but like he is real shadow lord of college football. Like for all the jokes that we make about Sabin being the emperor, you know, like the Star Wars emperor and everything else, that's actually Jimmy Sexton

he manipulates like the same way that the emperor manipulated a galactic war so that he would be given emergency controls from the cynic, maybe the Republic

into an empire he manipulates bidding wars on a year and year out basis to get his clients paid more money. It's insane

how he is able to money. I mean he created this whole buyout market out of thin air Yeah. He created this insecurity on school's behalf that, well, I mean, look, you're not going to be able to recruit if you don't, if you can't promise these kids, are they going to be around? I could be able to hire him away from this school. If, I mean, look, maybe if you give him like a big buyout or something, have him some security, then maybe then he'll want to switch jobs.

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's when you own majority of the market, it's easy to do that, though. I mean, that's like Mark Stoops. that's why I know that maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong here because some people say that but like I don't fucking believe that Mark Stoops was ever an actual real candidate for

Texan M or was ever going to be offered the job that's Jimmy Sexton just using all of his power to get Stoops's out of name out there and at this time soups didn't get a raise but it was very much like a be thankful for what you have right in crazy

remember remember this moment next time that that I am up for a contract, essentially, of the panic of losing Mark Stoops at Kentucky and what that would have done to the program and any momentum that's been created over the past six or seven years. It is, you don't think these, these athletic directors and presidents and powers of B have kind of figured it out by now, or just like he owns so much of the real estate that there's nothing they could do even if they did realize kind of the game beyond the game that he's playing right now?

Um, I don't think so. I think this is the genius part about what Jimmy Sexton does is, I think that he kind of has these schools in a tough spot. Because who has the more negotiating power, right? If, if, if Jimmy Sexton or Mike Norville's camp is telling you that he has been offered by Alabama, and that they are going to pay him X amount and that he wants this to stay, how do you, I mean,

are you willing to call that bluff? Are you willing to play that risk? I mean, to me, I would feel like at some point these athletic directors also have similar resources to what he has. So like if I'm,

if I'm Florida State, I'm hitting my buddy up at Alabama and saying, like, is this true? Like, you don't think like, like, are you really going to offer a Velle? Not like,

you don't have to give me specifics, but like, is this happening? or is Jimmy Sexton kind of pulled my leg right now? Do you think that's a comfortable conversation that these athletic directors could have to combat him essentially going to Florida States saying, hey, guess what? Alabama just got him an offer or gave him an offer

and this is what he is, but he wants to stay at Florida State. So if you can hit that $10 million mark, he'll be a seminal for the next eight years. And you say, like, oh, yeah, he must be telling the truth because it's Jimmy Sexton. I guarantee you he's never lied a day in his life. So here's $10 million a year for the next eight years, Mike Norbell, stay and be our head coach.

like they got to have some resources themselves in making some calls to back check some of the, I'm not going to say their lies, but some of the things that Jimmy Sexton's preaching about their clients. Again, I'm not, I mean, and I want to be clear, right?

Jimmy Sexton operates on a higher level of consciousness than I do. You don't manipulate this many powerful individuals on such a consistent basis, unless you were just way smarter and see the game behind the game, behind the game. So I honestly don't know what the answer is, Aaron. Yeah. You know, because in theory, I see exactly what you're saying.

They should have these same resources to know whether or not an offer is real. But maybe the offer is kind of real, right? Maybe it exists. Maybe you're kicking the tires. Like, these are all things where there's probably a lot of half truths sewn throughout. So you can't really prove or disprove anything. And I'll say this, and this again, on a way level, layman level, a way lower level of consciousness to what Sex and operates on. But like in any coaching search around a program that you live next to or have the new cycle on, like, you hear all kinds of different things.

And all kinds of people who should know and be in the know are right sometimes and wrong others. Sometimes they've been purposely misled or fed bad information to help muddy the waters. and sometimes they had really good information that went awry at the last minute. So in a business filled with so many untrues and have truths, I think that makes it kind of more susceptible

to manipulation. And Jimmy Sexton's been at this thing forever now and he's incredible. I need a full, the same way that we were talking about a full economic analysis of Nick Saban's effect on not just Alabama, but T-Town as a whole. I need a full economic analysis on Jimmy Sexton and the buyout market and specifically SECC coaches salaries since he

signed his first major client. Like whoever, like I would actually, probably honestly, we should save this for later in the week and we should do a deep Jimmy Sexton dive. I don't think about it going in today. I'll do that research. When you bring Jimmy on the pod. Yeah. Yeah.

Make it happen. sex and represents 11 of 14 SEC coaches. You make the rumors, man. I mean, we talk about, it's funny,

you and I had the debate of who is the most powerful person in college football. Yeah. Flash, I mean, I've been like the SEC last year. And then we were kind of,

I think you and are going back and forth between the commissioner and then, and Nick Sabin of who, who does wield the most power. I think this was kind of during SEC, the coaches convention, not coach convention, but coaches meetings.

Sanky versus Sabin, and hell, there's a slice of pie, and there's definitely a discussion to be had about Jimmy Sexton possibly being in the discussion of the power that he does wield in this conference. Yeah, I mean, but that's why you get into being a true shadow lord, right? Shadow lords are those who are pulling the strings. He is the Illuminati of college football because he's not public facing. We don't see him often. And, well, this is nothing new than being Illuminati, but he looks funny as hell. Just Google. I've never seen him. I'm sure I've seen him, but this is a square. Oh, there's Jimmy Sexton over there. Have you ever seen Reckett Ralph?

Oh, yeah. He looks like the mayor from Reckett Ralph, exact same body type. He's like a more boxy, curvy smart almost. I mean, this is a square motherfucker, not in the nerdy sense, like physically shape language, square with rounded edges. Give me a picture of Jimmy Sexton, uh, Pete. it can literally almost be anyone, and it will prove my point. Here are coaches repped by Jimmy Sexton. Kirby Smart, Kalin DeBoer, Lane.

Oh, wait, never mind. I thought I had a full list. This was just a list of people they were potentially talking about for the job. Oh, yeah. Look at this. I mean, is that not the mayor from Reckett Ralph right there? That is the mayor from Reckett Ralph. This is nothing to do with.

It did not look like Kirby, though. That is, but it's the mayor from record Ralph. Kirby has a little bit of mayor from Reckett Ralph. as well. Chung Mn Yun says the captain from Wally. No, Arthur Smith looks like the captain from Wally. Like when he was a little fatter, when Arthur Smith got the Falcon's job,

I swear to God, put a side by side of the captain from Wally and Arthur Smith and you will be blown away. Yeah, Andy J says title for the Jimmy Sexton 30 for 30 should be the kingmaker. Yeah, I mean, a thousand percent. All right. Is that enough sex and talk?

We'll get it. Let's go into Sex and D. later in the week. This is a fun project. I like it. I like it. All right. Now, let's talk about Kalin DeBoer. As on Friday, it's announced, he's going to be the next head coach

of the Alabama Crimson Tide. And what does that come with? It comes to the press conference. So he answered questions, or sorry, he spoke for about 20 minutes, maybe he was 25, somewhere on there. And then he answered questions for around 10 minutes.

before you get into that, because I have a lot of thoughts. I love diving into press conferences. It's the local radio man in me. I can't help it. What did you think about? What's your overall thoughts on the DeBoer hire? I like it. I mean, I think you've been on this a lot longer than I have.

You've been more of a DeBoer believer. Not like I haven't been a believer in him. It's hard not to look at the stats and look at the wins and the championship and say, like, that guy, as you've alluded to T, is like, he wins. He wins championships. He wins football games. He turns programs into contenders. he did it in two years at Washington and put him in a national championship games.

Like, it is, it is, you're getting a guy that, that, that, that knows how to win at the highest of high levels. Yeah. And I think that's the first thing that you want. I mean, to me, I said this from the very beginning. Like, I'm not going after an OCDC. I'm going after a head coach. I'm going after a guy that I know is a winner. I'm going after a guy that, that, that has, is maybe not necessarily compete for championships, but has gotten pretty close to it.

or has some sort of connection to the Nick Saban tree. And I think that's the one thing that may bother fans a little bit about him. That was my one hesitation of you've seen in the SEC what the Nick Sabin essentially a blessing can do in the sense of you come to, you come to Alabama, you're an OC, a DC, you get sent on your merry way, you become a head coach somewhere else, the success of learning under Nick Sabin what that could do. There's a lot of misses in there, too. There are some misses. I mean, there's more, no, no, not our some. There are more misses and hits. Like Kirby Sark Lane, yes, but there's some big wins.

There's some big wins. Yeah, but Duly must champ, Butch Jones, Jeremy Pruitt. Like, the list goes on and on on the other side of that equation as well. I still think that there's a comfort, though, from a fan pace that has been around Nick and has seen what he's done, knowing that you're getting not necessarily carbon copy of him. but someone that can kind of just pick up and go from what has been built and there's not going to be any sort of hiccup or change. I think that's the one hesitation.

But when it comes to getting a guy that knows how to run a program and be successful, so it's a, I'm not going to give a grade. It's a home run higher, though, in my opinion, I think it's a great hire. I mean, it's as solid as you could have done in an impossible situation. I think that, I think two things. I think for me, it was number one on my list from the beginning, because of not just the resume,

but that whole idea of some of these similarities and not to say, I know guys, I've said it plenty of times here, but like, I don't care what your background is. There's no one pathway to success. If you're someone who, like Lane Gibbon, whose dad was a coach,

you had connections and you climbed very quickly. Like, I'm like in general life, I was of Silver Spoon privileged kid like that, right? You can still be a very good coach. You still be successful. But I do think, There is something to the parallels between Nick Saban grinding his way up out of West Virginia and then, you know, through the north and all over the country before eventually finding his way to Tuscaloosa

and Kalin DeBoer grinding his way out of South Dakota and going all over different levels of football all over the country and now finding his way by the sweat of his o' back to Tuscaloosa. Like I think that comes with a, the way that shapes you from a humility standpoint, from a drive standpoint. I think these are traits that are very attractive. And I think if you look at what Greg Byrne and Nick Saban were kind of into this thing, I think K on the board checked the most boxes out of, and I keep some, I keep telling myself of like, who was my number one guy? You know, who did I, who, if I'm Alabama, who do I want? And, and I kept saying like, Dan Landing, Dan landing, Dan landing, like, why would you want? He's under the tree. He's had success at Oregon.

But then you have to continue to remind yourself as well, who's being Dan Lanning three straight times. I mean, they both met their program for two years. And I would say Kailin DeBoer took off, took over a way harder situation at Washington than what Dan Lany took over at Oregon, and he's beat them three straight times. So the guy that maybe you wanted has lost multiple times in a row to the guy that you have now. So I also, I also feel that Dan Lany while he's very exciting and I don't know if you want to say more potential than DeBore, because that's even a big decision. I also feel that Dan Lannie, while he's very exciting. I don't know if you want to say more potential than DeBoer because that's even a bit

that's a bit problematic to try to say with what DeBoar's done but like Lany was certainly more exciting higher you would say but to me he also was more volatile. He is less proven. He has less time in the game. He's younger. DeBoar's 49 years old. He's

entering his coaching prime if you will which I kind of view is like a 50 to 60 range. It's like how again back in the day if you wanted to be console of Rome I think you had to be like 40 years old before you're even eligible to get the job. Like that's what disappoints me from a fan perspective here or from an LSU fan perspective here.

This was the most solid hire they could have made. Every other one seemed to have more volatility to it. Like I could actually see a world in which landing went disastrously bad. I could see a world in which Kiffin went disastrously bad. I could see it. I didn't see it. I can't see it with divorce. Now, nothing should have been as good.

good. It will not be as good, but DeBoer will still keep them championship relevant and Alabama will not just go away. Is there, is there any concern? And obviously, this, this program is built significantly more, more stable than Auburn. But Brian Harsen was also a winner at Boise. No, I hate these Harsen cops. I'm just at, okay, I'm just asking, I'm just asking. I don't think, I don't think Harsons, I don't think Harsons, um, resume sniffed Dabors. in terms of championships, but he was successful at Boise. He's an outside. I think that's the one that's the one that he's brought to.

Like there's this, there's this train of thought that he's an outsider, the name of the game's recruiting. And Nick Saban was an outsider. Irvin Meyer was an outsider. These are Yankees who came down here. And look what happened. So no,

I don't, I don't think. And you know, you know, it's pretty fucking similar culturally, South Dakota and the South of America. Like the South. Right.

Like we are talking about two places that are built on a lot of blue collar workers. You could argue like a lack of overall economic opportunity. You're giving me a quizzical look. You don't think that large swaths of the South and South Dakota are similar culturally. It's like you ever go hang out in West Virginia? Like coal miners feel like oil workers just in a different business. Like it's the same thing as Louisiana. They're just mountain people versus swamp people.

Like I think it's, wild if you think that there's not similarity there from the type of person that it creates and the type of person who drives there. It's a very culturally different people from the south to the south. I think that Brian Harsen

had success at one school and it wasn't an overwhelming success and it was a school that he was already involved in and went to. Kailin of Boer has had success at multiple different stops on multiple different levels of football. I think Brian Harsen never seemed likable at all. No, I agree with that one. Paul.

And then I've talked from day one. Kailin DeBore, as somebody pointed out of the chat earlier, while he's one of the main areas in which he's different than Sabin is he seems much more. And he's got a little bit of this as he got older, certainly. But he just seems much more likable. Like on just a person to person basis,

much more approachable and whatnot. What's the word I'm looking for? And I don't agree with Morrison. I mean, I've talked to, Bobo multiple times about this and not putting words in the Boa's mouth, but there was, and other people that were part of the Auburn program, there was some difficulty with the way harsh and ran his program from essentially micromanaging everything to the point of like not

allowing guys to work. The fact that you lost an OCDC and Derek Mason left Albert and took a pay kit that go to Oklahoma State to leave the SEC, tells you everything you know about people just not enjoying working with them. And we've never heard anything. about people not enjoying working with them. Obviously, his OC grub is going to come with him to Alabama. So I think that tells you the type of coach he is. And then you also hear stories of the players in the way that he treats them and the enjoyment of being coached by Caitlin DeBoer.

So, no, there's always going to be little things to pick at. And I think you brought up a good point, too. It will never be as good as Nick Sabin. No. And you hope that him being a veteran coach, a mature individual at the ripe age of 50 years old also understands that he's walking into a situation where day in and day out, you will be compared to Nick Sabin and you just have to be yourself because you'll never be Nick. And that may be refreshing too because if you did bring in a Dan Lanning who was cut from the same

cloth as Nick Saban, you would expect him to be just like Nick Saban. Just as we expect Kirby Smart to be just like Nick Saban, you're getting a guy now that doesn't have a tie to him so he can say that, you know what? I was never under Nick. I don't really know what Nick is like when it comes to coaching or running an organization. So I'm not going to try and be Nick because I don't know what it is like to be Nick. I'm just going to be me where you may have gotten a landing who tried to be a little bit too much Nick Sabin-esque. Yeah, I think there's something, I think that's fair as well, right?

That there's somebody that maybe there is value not coming directly from the Sabin school for the reasons that you just said. Here we hit on, like I can go into a lot of specific. on this press conference and things that I like. But the most interesting element of it, and it's because it speaks to just how wild what he's attempting to do is the entire time is almost nothing was said about getting better. It was all merely about continuing what had been going on. There were even a couple times where he almost caught himself,

where he talked about adding to the culture and then immediately said, as it's always been. You know, getting people to get more, more people on board, as has been already happening, right?

So it's like, it gives you insight into what he's not saying into what he's actually taking over because normally this is an opportunity for a coach to get up there and stump. Like, like look at a Matt rule when he gets a Nebraska job. And it's all about restoring greatness

and taking to the next level or same thing with Brian Kelly and LSU. This is one of those rare, rare, rare times where he can't say anything about. about improving the uh the the the the the the the the the programming the only press but he did a pretty good job I thought he did a good job of kind of threading that needle while telling you what he's about um and in terms of the privilege he did a couple very smart things uh first of excuse me in terms of the expectation he referred to the expectation as a privilege which is the correct way to frame it in your mind um it's a privilege

because that expectation comes with all the resources that you could possibly want. People who have won championships where you can pick their brain and add to your system and your processes of what you like, what you don't. And he was also very, because it was a weird situation. It had to be very surreal for Nick Saban to be sitting there watching this. It had to be surreal for DeBoer to be standing there looking at Sabin. But great on DeBoer up front being very clear. Nick Saban will have 100% access.

saying he wants Sabin to be involved he wants one thing from Sabin every day even though he knows he'll probably have 10 but like this is this is what you need to do and so in all of this calling the expectation of privilege you know not talking about how it's going to be better but still explaining how he's going

what his culture is and then welcoming and Sabin immediately I thought I thought he did I thought he did a damn good job and I thought it came off as very confident very comfortable and very excited. I was just about to ask us out that you in the chat said, be careful what you wish for.

I think he's kind of hinting at what I was just about to bring up and ask you. You say all the right things at the press conference. You say, of course, like, hey, Nick, man, if you want to be a part of the program, we will take anything. Like, if you want to come to practices, if you want to come watching a film, if you want to do what, it is open. You have an office. I think Nick's getting an office in the stadium.

You are, it is open. You are Alabama still come and help. Two things. Does Nick know his boundaries now that he's not the head coach? And will he kind of stay away enough to where he's not infringing? And two, how much do you truly want Nick Saban around the program as you will always be compared to him? And you see the shadow of Nick kind of always looming from the office above the stadium,

looking over you, kind of judging every single move. And the players are seeing it too. It's interesting because I think this can go both ways. I think when you look at, and I don't really follow college basketball, but through osmosis, watching Coach K, like, sitting right by the bench and hearing he's still like the football. I think maybe he's potentially going a bit too far, but I tend to fall on like Crash B says in the chat.

Anyone who would be too prideful to accept advice for the goat would be a fool. So it's good to be seen DeBore, no same stuff to tell him. first off, I do think Saban is enough of Saban gets it in terms of trying to run a program. So I think he does understand what boundaries he's going to need is set for himself. But beyond that, at the end of the day, DeBoer just has to be comfortable with that.

No, I am the head coach. Like, I do have the final say, but for me to just ignore what this guy who has invaluable insight, to ignore that as a resource, would be the height of hubris. Peter James says Nick will be CEO. No, I think DeBoer's CEO.

I think Nick is something more like a high-level consultant. Like the highest level of consultant, at least that should be, I think, ideally how it has worked. Because what's a word that DeBoer went to in the press conference? Alignment. It's a buzzword that you hear more and more out of coaches. It must have been mentioned 35 times in the Brian Kelly interdub to your press conference. But you see why. When you don't have alignment, you become Auburn.

You become Texas A&M. You go through the struggles that LSU had for a couple of years there. Like you'd have to have the head coach, the AD, and the president on that same vision, that same path. And ultimately, that's where that AD and president, if, let's say, a hypothetical situation did arise, where is DeBore versus Sabin, you got a side with DeBore. I don't see that happening. But I'm pretty sure everybody's smart enough to understand that. Like, it's not, I think it would just shock me if that wasn't the case.

Yeah. No, and I think Nick has done it for so long that I think there's the worry of like he can't give, he desperately can't give all that power up. But I think he's going to. I do. I think he understands like if I want Alabama to be successful, I want Alabama to continue to be a contender. And yes, I can leave little little nuggets of help here, there. and we can have our meetings,

we can have our one-on-one time if the door is open, which it will always be open to Nick Saban. Like you said, he would be an idiot not to accept that, but I also have to know, like, this is his program. And if I was a part of the process of,

of handpicking Kailen DeBore, that be the successor for me to be the next head coach of Alabama, I have to let him do his thing. And I think Nick, I think, Nick Saban will play the boundary very nicely. know, kind of come in when he needed, stay out when he's not, go to Florida, enjoy the sunshine, play some golf, go work for ESPN. I think Nick is, he has his hand in so many other things as well.

We think that Nick is going to be in Tuscaloosa 24-7. Nick is going to be at the beach, I think he sells a lakehouse in Georgia. He's going to be working for maybe ESPN. He'll be doing a million other things than just sitting there in Tuscaloosa watching the football team. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm inclined to agree with you. on all that in terms of, I don't think Nick's going to be like daily, just in it fully walking the facility.

Yeah. Yeah. Christian Burr's $2, Chubbub, never compare South Dakota to the boot. You're from Georgia. Well, the funny thing about that,

Christian is I compared it to the south. And it just so happens about Louisiana and Georgia in the south. Yeah. Imagine that. Let's see here. All right. Other notes from the press conference.

This is fucking crazy to think. about. De Boer said he had never met Greg Byrne before this search started, and he had never even spoken with Nick Saban. And the only reason I say that's how crazy this thing is, is this is this is arguably the most important personnel decision in Alabama history in terms of hiring to someone. And yet, because the dynamics, just how the situation works, like, it's not right or wrong. Nobody's at fault for this. This is, again, just how these things work. You hire a man, what, less than 24 hours after speaking to him for the first time? That's fucking wild, dude. Like, that's, this is a true, like, first impressions, roll the dice. We're, you know, we're trying

to do our due diligence that we know we have to estimate and pull from and everything, but you better make sure you all get along. You better hope that no friction ends up horizon. I don't think that it will, but that is really, really wild to consider. There was no like, let's go to a basketball game and kind of take you around the town. We'll go to dinner and we'll see if everyone's kumbaya. This is like, all right, the 30-day window just opened a lot. Let's just be honest. Alabama knows this.

They'd be stupid not to know this. There's the majority of those kids, if not all those kids, committed because of Nick Saban. They committed because they didn't commit because of the, the, I always want to say the A on the helmet, but the number on the helmet, the A on the chest, they came in because Nick Saban was the head coach. I think you had,

you had, you had, I think you had, I don't think it's as majority as you're making it. I think a lot of people, it's the majority. Okay. I disagree,

but you think most of those kids on that roster committed because it was Alabama and not because of Nick Savan. I think it's a bit of a weird question because it's kind of impossible to discern, but yeah, I think the majority of the roster is going to stay. So yeah,

I do. I'm not saying not stay. I'm just saying like they, of course you're not going to just 100% just leave because Nick's there. Like you are invested. You're a student there. You've built relationships. Your buddies are on the team.

It's not as easy. Just like, okay, Nick's gone, I'm gone. Like there's a lot of things that have to be discussed. I'm just saying the way to stop the bleeding is to get on your horse and make a decision of who that coach can be within that, essentially we gave it a week and of having in a few days.

Like, you got to get going. Oh, yeah. No, you have to, I mean, it would have been, I mean,

think about how long even the 49. funny, that's exactly what Byrne was referencing in the press conference was just talking about how like it was basically like look they promise the team we'll have a coach in 72 hours and I get why you go past 72 hours you start to look

dysfunctional. And like you didn't have a plan and you're scrambling and they were kind of scrambling but again I think they landed on a really solid candidate and schedule next year it's hard remember second hardest schedule

the SEC according to opponent's win percentage. So it's definitely a way welcome to... This first SEC game, I believe, is what, Georgia in Tuscalo? Dobby says that's why Isaiah Bond stayed. Oh, wait. Yeah, Isaiah Bond to Texas over the weekend. But that's my point. I'm saying the majority. I'm saying the meat

potatoes of the roster. The superstars are five stars, guys from out of state, guys from other parts of the country. Those are always going to be the guys that are going to be more susceptible to wanting to leave in a situation like this, or going to chase the bag elsewhere. But I do think we're probably, I think if you look to the Alabama roster,

a lot of that would be made up of Alabama cats. We probably grew up loving Alabama, but maybe not. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know Alabama's top. I don't know Alabama's resume topped or roster top to bottom like that. But you've seen, I mean, you've seen a couple five-star decommits. You've seen some players start to leave. But again, none of this is like if I'm in Alabama,

I wouldn't be stressing it because none of this is surprising. like we all knew this was going to happen. It hasn't happened nearly the extent that it happened to Texas A&M, right? So that's already a positive. DeBore, it seems like if I went from Nick Saban to Kalin DeBore, I would probably be like, okay, I'm going to hear this guy out because he seems really, you know, he seems kind of chill. It was just a national championship.

I mean, you were literally just on the couch as a kid watching this team compete for national championship. You just watch this team be the Texas team that beat you in your home stadium. There's definitely some intrigue there for Kailen DeBoer. Before you make your next point, about 400 people in the chat right now. I think right around 50 likes. Hit that like, hit that subscribe, jump in the chat. Yes. Type away, all that good stuff.

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So other things that jumped out to me from the press conference at the end, he was referencing a lot of what we're talking about, the players get him to stay. And what he's asking from the players from staff from coach from everybody is be all in and that is something that i've been thinking about a lot lately and it's because i do local radio here in louisiana right uh with the new

orleans saints right now you have the cat dennis allen replacing a legend in sean payton but they kept a lot of the players they they held over a lot of people well it's become really apparent that there is a rift where you have kind of old school patent guys who are like, you know what? This new guy is saying it. And they don't respect him. And so now there's like a lot of tension there, right? And that happens in any business that you're in anything.

When you have a legendary leader and then you replace him with someone, do the people that bridge that gap, do the people that bridge, do they buy in? Because that sets the tone. And I saw a lot of that, my freshman year at LSU, where you had a lot of the old heads. But is that, are you worried about players or you worry about, say, front office people? Because I still think everyone, everyone, every single, every, every facet of the building. Because the tension comes in when you replace the leader, if they don't buy it, then they don't respect you. And they don't respect you that has a trickle-out effect.

I saw the LSU when you went from Nick Saving to Les Miles. You, or excuse me, yeah, from saving a mile. I guess I have the heads were like, yeah, we like Miles because he's way nicer and shit. But like, it's kind of a fucking joke. like there was a lack of respect that then gets passed down into that next generation as well. Maybe I was always just so raised

on respect your elders, respect your elders that if you were in any sort of authority role above me that that I was going to respect that you were hired, especially at a place like LSU or Alabama or Georgia, that you had all the credentials that, hey man, listen, I'm

on this team, you're the coach, I'm the player and I'm going to roll with you. You have a great. You had a great coach. I know I know I get it. Like yeah, it's 100% but like hey, listen, I went to to Philly and obviously I wasn't this is weird because I was in Kansas City with. Respect your rabbis. So stop. I was in Kansas City with Andy Reed, but then I went to Philly with Doug Peterson. Obviously it was Doug's first year and there was and I was with a bunch of the veteran guys at

times. He'd hang out, have lunch, all that. And it wasn't, we didn't make the playoffs this year that year, maybe because he was the first year, but there was never, I never heard. any anger or upset or, you know, back in Amy Reid's day, we used to do this or that. Like, it was, I don't know. Maybe because I've just never been putting in a situation like you were at LSU. Maybe Doug Peterson's a good leader. I think he is a great leader.

That's my point, though. So, so again, if Casey DeBoers do it. I would worry about more like the front office people, the more day-to-day people compared to the players that are ever rotating there, they're only for a certain amount of time. Yeah. They come in to go. Unless he's Brian Harson, which again, I think he's not to be painfully clear.

But if he is, then that's fucking disastrous because you're comparing him to the best ever. If he's really fucking good, well, then that's fine. People will get all in. And maybe at the edge cases you have guys that won't, but that's okay. You can cut that out of the program. I'm just saying there is potential for disaster just because of the whole idea of, well, this isn't how we used to do things. Oh, of course. Is that how we used to do this?

Doug Peterson is a very... We want to stay in our habit. We understand our day-to-day of the schedule that Nick Saban has had for 15 years of, you know, from the front office to the players knowing what your days are look like. That's going to be different. And if things don't go well, that's like, well, you know, we used to practice like this. Like we used to, you know, tackle on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Now we have, you know, shells on Wednesday.

We're not as tough of it. Like, whatever the difference may be, like, yes, it will be put under a microscope if it doesn't work 100%. Yes. Agoo, can we all just rejoice that the evil regime of his ended? Yeah, look.

I mean, you know, I got nothing but respect for Nick here on the other side of it. But, fuck all you Alabama fans. Welcome to the suck, bitch. And you know what? You're still spoiled a little fucks

because I think DeBoar is really good. And I think you're still going to be really good. What you really deserve is like four years of failure. Like, you deserve to fall off the face of a clip but have to really eat some shit and get humbled a bit. Not your fake where like Alabama wins by 10 and my friends are texting me how tense and terrifying the game was.

Like you deserve to know what it feels like to wake up Saturday and not be 1,000% sure you're going to beat Kentucky. Maybe it won't happen. That's like that. That's what you deserve. And yet because of Caleb Dabor, you're not going to get that. He's awesome. You're probably going to be really good and championship relevant and as have good.

Like, I don't know. This hasn't changed to, I think, my top three teams in the SEC are next year. Maybe. We should, we should, we should be something we do next week is like our re-evaluation of our top 10 based on transfer portal and all these coaches. Because for me, things have changed a little bit in my mind of. We got to wait for the Harbaugh chip to fall before we do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm saying like next week.

I think Harbaal is interviewing right now that that may happen. Von Bluisman says at Aaron, did you go to you, J? because of the coach. Love of you, Jay, or another reason. I'm interesting, and I love to hear your thought in this, because I do believe you grew up an LSU fan, even though you lived in Georgia. I didn't grow up a college football, like, fan. I grew up in a pro town in Tampa.

We went to the Bucks games, the race games, the Bolts games. Like, I didn't really go watch a lot of college football. So, for me, it was more the love of Mark Rick and Bobo and seeing what they've done with quarterbacks. time as he Georgia was number one team the country at the time. And what Avo said in the chat here. And of course. Aaron went for the girls,

for the girls of Athens. Yes. If you're listening to on Pott, he just gave a very shit-eating grin, confirming, uh, what we're saying. Yes,

it all plays into it. But I didn't go, I didn't go for the love of the G. I'll tell you that. So, no, I'm the opposite where, uh,

I did go to LSU simply because there's LSU. And my grandpa, even though I moved from Louisiana when I was four, a moment, I went to St. Falk, because my grandpa raised me diehard LSU. I think I told the story last week, but, you know, the memories of going to games with him when I was younger when we could and some of those SEC championships and watching 2003, you know, winning that, just all those. Like, I think around 2000, actually right when Nick Saban got there is when I started really loving college football.

And so, no, I went there because it was a dream of mine to go there. And so it didn't matter who was going to be the coach. Roster stuff didn't really matter. There was only one place that I was ever going to go to. But that's exactly what I'm talking about, though. I think there's more people in my camp on that Alabama roster than you're probably giving credit for. Even though it's probably got a higher percentage of your. It was so much more national than when we got a true national.

typically probably has more people in your camp than the average football team because they are so national and they're getting so many superstars superstars from around the country. So it goes, yeah, so I mean that's all a matter of perspective. What did you think about last thing on the board? There's a lot that we get to. He talks about energy attitude effort, winners win because that's a winner's due. Accountability, Brotherhood, tough.

These are the non-negotiables, whatever. whatever, but how about this? He started talking about Washington at the very end, and he got a little choked up, started to cry a little bit. And I've seen people interpret this a lot of different ways. How do you interpret it? I mean, I always enjoy emotion, but I'm also a very emotional person. So, like, when you show emotion and it seems genuine, I think it's a great thing.

There's nothing wrong with the 50-year-old man, you know, getting a little bit choked up. when you have worked as hard as he's work to go from Sioux Falls, winning championships there, turning around a program at Washington, becoming a champion, and then now being recognized as the person that has the opportunity to take over for the greatest coach of all time. There's not many bigger honors than that of Nick Sabin in Alabama, reaching out to you from where you've come from and saying, you know what, we see you, we recognize you, we love what you've done, we want you to be the next guy here. Alabama. Like, that's pretty fucking special. So I'm with,

I'm with Bama fan in the chat who says he cares for his players is how I take it. Yeah, I mean, look, he was talking to his players back at Washington here and from a basic human empathy level, I understand why that's got to be so complicated for him. I mean, he was getting a godfather offer. This is the one, and he even said it, this is probably the one job that he would have left Washington for. And I actually believe that. Yeah. He was given an offer. He could not refuse and you have to

make hard choices in life. And I think my biggest takeaway is the emotion that he showed to me is actually very indicative of being representative of everything that he said in the press conference about wanting to build a culture through brotherhood and kinship and accountability. Because the only way that you can actually do that and create that chemistry is if you actually love that person and you respect them and you want to succeed not just for yourself but for them and he had to leave them all behind yep and that fucking sucks that hurts but i think we can all if we're adults about i think we can all understand why you do have to make that decision if

you're caleb debor so i think the emotion's actually great i think emotion shows that um it's not just coach speak that he actually believes in what he's trying to create all right um thank for everybody watching, please keep in the like button, like whatever. Sub to the channel if you haven't. Oh, almost 14. Let's go. Okay.

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So other coaching guys that are made, I think the boars went really good. I think Ryan Grub coming to OC at Alabama is massive for them. Steve Sarkesian extended, smart move by Texas. How about Jed Fish? Yeah. Hired in Washington from Arizona. Love that. Love that.

I mean, what he took over a program, you know, one win the first year and then turn that team into a top 15 team, a team that we kind of had as a, I think we had of them as a fringe, you know, our look ahead top 12 team heading into next year. I think we initially had them in and then we took him out because of Utah and what Utah is the chance to do next year in the Big 12. But he turned them into a contender. Now it's just a matter of same thing as you look at Washington. Does he take half that roster with him from Arizona to Washington?

Does he take the quarterback with him to Washington? But I thought I thought that was a great hire by the Huskies to replace Tobor. Yeah. I kind of feel for fish, though, here. I love what fish did in Arizona. And it's been, it's a really impressive turnaround. Still a relatively small sample size.

So it does have a bit of a hot name element. But there was a consistent climb at Arizona. I think it was like 11, 5, and 7 now 10 at 3, right? So I can appreciate that. I feel like, okay, Kailin DeBoer is taking over a well-oiled machine that has been successful for a decade and a half and looks like you could just keep rolling forward.

he's taking over a tricky spot in Washington because you were talking about losing a ton of talent and just got you to a national championship and yet out of a mixture of pain and what you just experienced the expectations are not going to change much and they're going to expect you to keep winning and winning on an elite level maybe not championship but they're going to want you to be around 10 wins

maybe the ball you better get your quarter you better get your quarterback the feeder better come with you I think that's the key And so the deal is Jet Fish is going to be asked to win at a very high clip at Washington, a school which is more than capable to be fair. Yes. We saw Chris Peterson and

Kailin DeBoer do this. But he's going to be asked to do it after losing a ton of talent and moving into the Big Ten. It's just very tricky. Well, and I want to go to Greg Greg's comment. I don't get this move for Fish, to be honest. I do. I think that the power is the

be the coaches understand the changing landscape of college football and understand like this is the time for me. If I'm not coaching in the SEC or the Big Ten, I need to get in there now. And you are taking over a program that you said that's been to multiple playoffs that was just at the national championship. Yes, it's going to a tougher conference, but at least you're in the Big Ten or you're in the SEC. You're going to get to a, you're either you're part of the future of college football or you're not. And I'm not saying like the Big 12 isn't a part of this new era. But when the new rules change or when the new scheduling takes place here in a couple of years of what the playoffs going to look like, I think there's going to be heavy favoritism towards the big tent in the SEC as obviously two main players and there's things.

Like, why would you not, not saying you're leaving a sinking ship, but go to the more powerful conference that has the better resources, that has a better chance, that has a better future. So I would take that risk too. No, so in the same way, it represents a bit of an offer that fish could not refuse either. probably didn't want to refuse because it's an upgrade. But here is where it gets trickier. If Washington takes a TCU like step back, right? And DeBoer thrives at Alabama,

how patient are Washington fans going to be with fish? How level-headed will they remain? Now, a key difference with fish and someone like Sunny Dikes, the TCU championship year was the exception, not the rule on Dikes's resume. We still don't know with fish because we haven't seen it take a step back because it's a smaller sample size. You and I went over that. The Washington schedule next year,

you may not be as good and yeah, you may not maybe compete for a Big Ten championship. But when you look at Washington schedule, there's no reason why if you can't essentially get Fafita there to transfer the quarterback, get a couple other spots filled on that roster here of the next, you know, certain amount of time, then the portal opens up, obviously again after spring ball. Weber State, eastern Michigan, Washington State, Northwestern, Rutgers are your first five games. Then Michigan, Iowa, Indiana, USC, Penn State, UCLA, Oregon.

It's not Murderers Row next year for Washington. So, like, I don't anticipate a, I don't anticipate a TCU-like fall from grace. But I also don't anticipate them being a playoff team with everything that's replaced from a personal standpoint. from a coach. So Greg says staying in Arizona being really good seems like the way better playing the risky situation that is washing. We should also mention that I doubt Arizona put a $70 million offer in front of Jelffish. I remember last news cycle, I want to say Arizona had to do a hiring freeze because they had like a $200 million shortfall in their athletic budget due to some sort of accounting error. So the finances at Arizona,

way tighter spot than Washington where the finances have never been better. And with the Big Ten should only improve. Dobby says what Fish did. Seems more impressive with DeBoard did in my opinion. Both are very impressive. I'll still give the edge to DeBoer because he brought this thing all the way to the Natty and it wasn't fluky. Even TCU had an element of fluke to it. I mean, before he took over, Kailen took over, there were a four-win team in 2021.

I mean, yeah, it may have not been a, a, it was Jimmy Lake, right? Wasn't Jimmy Lake there before? It wasn't like he was taking over a winless Arizona, but he took over a four, four and eight Washington team, got them to, what was it, 11 wins in year one,

and then a national championship birth in year two. Like, that's, this is as good as you can get right there. Both were tremendous jobs going from Arizona, no wins to one win to, you know, what they did like, Teabobb kind of laid that out for you, but I still think what the board did,

take it over Washington, and make him a national championship contender. That's a hell of a job in two years. Yeah, so Shonef says he did it with Peterson's roster. Well, no, he had Michael Piddick's shoe. That was DeBor's guy. So, no, not true. All right, let's go ahead and save some of these personnel moves for tomorrow.

We'll talk about Isaiah Bond Committee to Texas, Royne-O-Williams committed to FSU. We had some five-star commits, five-star, de-commits. So still a lot to get to that we didn't quite get to today. I apologize with that. Oh, JJ McCarthy, NFL draft. Do you want to touch it on the way out or save it? No, we can touch on it.

I don't think it's like a huge time point tomorrow, but. Yeah. I think for him, there's nothing really left to accomplish. I get it. Like, you've beat Ohio State three times. I think he was starting to go back for two of them. You've been a part of three Big Ten championships. you've now won a national championship.

I think that that's kind of and this was kind of what I thought about with Carson all year too. Like if Carson won the national championship, Carson would have done the same thing. You know, he felt like he's been in college long enough. He's accomplished everything that he came to college to do.

You know, might as well walk out a champion. So I don't blame JJ. But he also has to understand that he's a mid-second round to possibly early fourth round NFL draft pick right now. Like, that was the one thing that you could have come

back to accomplish, especially in this draft this year where there's four guys that are probably going to go in the first, and if Pinnix drops early second, that's only going to hurt you even more. So he's leaving money on the table, for sure. But, I mean, listen, if you feel like you've done what you need to do, good for you, man.

Go make that bread in the NFL. So this makes you feel like Harbaugh's probably gone. And it makes you feel like Harbaugh's gone. Yes. Secondly, I'll see what you did there with Pinnock's and back to you just now. what four guys being drafted

four guys being drafted in the first round with pinnicks dropping in the second huh so who's the fourth guy in the first round no I'm saying if he could drop he's still the fourth but he could drop into the if there's only three taken he could drop to the four

oh okay never mind I thought you were saying that Beck okay never mind no no no no no no yeah but my one hesitation on on this being oh I don't I'm leaving partly because

Jim Harbaugh is leaving. If Harbaal does leave, I think we both believe Moore's going to be the next head coach. I don't know why. Would it truly matter to him that your O.C. is the head coach too? I don't know if that's like a driving factor for me, unless you feel like they are going to go outside of Michigan to bring in the next head coach if Harbaal leaves. You're saying that, okay, so you're arguing that maybe right here. You're arguing that really probably I'm making too much of Harba's decision to have an effect

on McCarthy at all. You probably right about that. I think so. It's probably more about feeling like your race has been run in college a little bit. It's not going to get as good as it has been, so why not take crack in the NFL? But like we talk about, it is interesting from the, it is interesting from a timing standpoint, because you would feel he'd have a better chance of getting drafted higher next year. Yeah, because there's a lot of good coaches or there's a lot of good quarterbacks.

You would think to being the national championship winning quarter. quarterback from Michigan, would be a nice little paycheck as well? Yes. You mean if he was going to return? If he was going to return. Yeah, I know. A lot of these guys, it's interesting now. Some are actually engaging in financial risk choosing the NFL over college,

which has never been the case before. It's wild. I mean, for the numbers aren't from Carson. Carson's getting what he would be getting if he was an early second round pick. It's hard for me not to believe that JJ would not be getting a certain similar compensation package. With that a million? I think like one and a half was kind of the around the ballpark.

I think what they were looking at from everything I heard was what did Will Levis make last year as an early second round pick and that's kind of the number that we need to hit. Boy, Bobo better do something, dude. Paying one five for a quarterback to lose to Nick and the SEC and now you never get to go after him again. I'd be furious if I was a Georgia fan. I'd be beside myself with anger. Be out in the streets of Manning Change. See what we did at Madhouse here in Baton Rouge? I know you wish that was you.

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