The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - Chase Daniel on NFL Draft Prospects: Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy

Episode Date: February 28, 2024

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert are joined by Chase Daniel to discuss the top quarterback prospects in the 2024 NFL Draft. After winning the Heisman Trophy, Jayden Daniels of LSU has put himself in the conversation to be the #1 overall pick alongside USC’s Caleb Williams and North Carolina’s Drake Maye. Who will the Chicago Bears take with the first pick and who will be the BEST NFL quarterback to be drafted this year? 01:30 - Introduction 07:00 - Aaron running routes for Chase 16:30 - Missouri  30:15 - Caleb Williams  32:30 - Jayden Daniels vs. Drake Maye 36:00 - Bo Nix vs. JJ McCarthy 44:00 - Chase Daniel’s Drew Brees story 52:30 - BEST CFB QBS ALL TIME (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Do we need a volume coin. I'm going to use my little, my little big coin to do a Disney trip one day. We'll see. Okay. Look, so in case you don't know, again, I mean, most of you know Chase's Bonafide's incredible quarterback, high school, college, NFL, like I said, Super Bowl champ, now in media. And if you have not watched any of Chase's NFL, like quarterback breakdowns, the film breakdowns, you want to talk about very dense information delivered in, like, easy to understand ways from a guy who, again, is pulling from 14 years of experience.

I cannot recommend it enough. Jace Daniels show on YouTube, go like, go subscribe. He's a man, Chase, thank you so much for join us. And if you're watching right now, because we're in our hour. early, share, tweet it out, whatever, texting your friend so that everybody can check this out. Chase, I'm going to ask you to reach way back in time here. I was doing some Wikipedia research here, just looking for something, you know, like, little like fun, like interesting fact. Good old.

And you went to a Texas powerhouse in high school. You won three state championships, correct? Two, two. We lost our junior year 1615 to Katie, Texas. It's the school that Andy Dalton went to. He didn't play. He's younger than me, but it's that school down there in Katie. And that was our only loss in high school. We went 47-1. So yeah, because you were 31 and 1 as a quarterback. Yeah. But bro, sophomore year,

you were at wide receiver? Yeah. Hold me down for the white points, dude. Yeah. So you guys won't believe this. And probably no one on the internet will believe this, but go and ask coach Todd Dodge, who is the premier legend head coach in all of Texas

high school football. So he recruited me to play receiver. So I was freshman year, I was, I was, I was quarterback. And then my, going into my sophomore year that we had just gotten a guy by the name of Chase Watson that moved in, and he was a quarterback, like he said all sorts of state records. So I'm like, all right, I'm not going to be starting as a sophomore in varsity. So he was like, hey, you know, you need to go run track. You need to play baseball. That stuff. So I run track. I kid you not. I run a 10-8 in the 100 meter dash. And, and he's like, wait, can you do that again? And I ran a 10-7. And he was like, all right, you need to,

you need to play receiver. And so sure enough, I played receiver. I was freaking the fourth on the team and catches. Okay, fourth on the team and catches. I had 80 catches. What? 80 catches. Do we threw the ball on the car? Not kidding you, dude. And only one touchdown. And it was on a bubble screen. So I really wasn't that good. Like, we had three receivers over 90 catches each like it was nuts wait you had 80 something catches and only one touchdown in the end it was a bubble screen it was a bubble screen

house was this at the same time that like Brock Berlin was tearing it up at evangelor no that would have been earlier 2000s I think that would be maybe a few years before but this was what passing revolution was infecting all of school and the spread and were you calling plays off a wristbands

at the time yeah dude we were we were I love the fact that you're take it back to you. No one likes to talk about this, but we were honestly, before our time, like we had, we had full on wristbands, and I'm not kidding you, we had 160 plays on our wristband. And we would look, we would do the, honestly, we would do the look, right, like the yellow cadence. Yeah, yeah. And then we'd look back and the coach would signal in a play. So if they're in quarters, we're throwing a post on your head for a touchdown. Like, we would just do that and we would go really fast. We had three or four tempos before tempo was even known. And so that's why Todd Dodge,

my head coach is like sort of before his time and that aspect. So we would have that and we'd have this whole numbering system. It was like one, two, three, four, five, you know, because there's no obviously quarterback to center or quarterback to coach communication. So it was, it was nuts, man. Like we were rolling, we were throwing the ball around. I mean, and honestly, the thing, like my junior and senior year, we had a running back that by the name of Aaron Luna.

I'm sure a lot of people out there understand who he is, but he was drafted fifth round by the Cardinals baseball team and was in AAA for a while. but was a baller. He ran for like 2,000 yards. I mean, I ran for 1,700 yards, my junior year. We were putting up numbers, bro. It was impressive. All right.

I want to ask you this, just for a quarterback plane receiver perspective. So as the third string quarterback, which I was in Kansas City, certain duties come on to me on game day. And one of those duties are when the receivers don't show up on time to run routes. I became the receiver,

Chase is like Aaron. It's going to fuck up the timing. And I'm not going to say no. So I had to become a receiver. A scout team during the week if there's injuries, I had to play receiver as well. Chase, rank or grade my receiver skills during our timing. Because I had to play receiver for Chase.

Because the receivers were injury, I had to go out there and play receiver. Yeah, I was pissed. Yeah, you were very good, honestly. But I will, I will say, I will say, you've got the medal for most improved. Because at first, if you remember, you didn't use to wear gloves.

And I'm like, I'm not going to take any speed off my ball because you're not wearing gloves like an idiot. So like halfway through the year, you decided to go in and get some gloves and you started catching some. You were really struggled during the low throws. Like the low throws for you, you struggled. You were good. You were good up here. So I had to put it at your tits or above. And if I did that, you were good.

But anything below your knees, it was like, you didn't understand like pinkies together under your knees. I'm not going down. But you're an athlete. You're an athlete, so you should have been able. But I feel like you got most improved because at the start, it was good. We just had you running stick routes, shallow crosses. By the end of the year, you were running go balls, post routes, quarter routes. But I appreciate.

I'm matched up against Teabob. I'm matched up against our number one defense running around. That's what I'm saying. This is so crazy because what the secret to Andy Reed's success is Aaron Murray running routes? Like nobody, I don't think anybody that watches the NFL would ever fathom that the third string quarterback would be out there running scout team routes at wider. Do you remember, Aaron, when we were in training camp?

So the, the, the quarterbacks for Andy, he always has them come early. So he has quarterbacks and rookies come early for training camp. So you're there like three days early. Really the two first days, really one full day and then the second half day, then he gives the starter and the backup quarterback off the second day. But then the third day, he's usually like, oh, go. but we literally had no one to play running back. There were zero rookie running backs.

So I actually got to play rookie, like running back in entire practice. Now mostly seven on seven. You're like, coach, I ran a 108. I mean, you need somebody.

I ran a 108. Yeah, not back then, but it was like, it was nuts, almost pulled my hamstring a couple times. And then after that, it was like,

all right, no more quarterback. It was like, oh my God. One more thing for T. Bob here, just, just to love up on Chase some more for this.

little menager twas, as you like to properly say it. Chase is also a nine-inch boy with us. Hell, yes, dude, nine-inch kings. Let's go, boys, nine on the dot. By the way, Joe Burrow, nine and a quarter, okay? That's all I'm saying, dude. Power's sorry, no, Joe's nine on that, Pat Mahomes, nine and a quarter. Okay, we got a lot of good company here in the nine-inch king club.

Get out of here. Chase was nicknamed your 11-inch hands. Chase was nicknamed by Alex as Tiger Paul. Yeah. Didn't don't have big fingers, but could grip it and rip it, baby. As long as it didn't rain, we were good. Like, if it rained, good luck, couldn't grip a football, couldn't do anything. Chase taught me the importance of what it meant to prepare football properly when I got to the NFL.

What I was in Kansas City and Philly, like sit down with the staff and say, this is what needs to be done. Wait, so Chase, tell us that. How do you how do you prepare football? Yeah, where'd you learn? It's Mississippi mud, man. It's Mississippi mud. Same thing that the MLB does. Yeah, and I learned it from Alex Smith.

And we don't get these footballs in, and they send just so many footballs to the equipment rooms across the NFL. Like thousands upon thousands of footballs. Alex Smith, true story. He would go through every single football first. And right out of the basket, they were very oily and not good. Yeah. He would first look at. the shape of the football.

If it was a fat football, he would literally throw it away and be like, that's a punter ball. If it was pointy on the edge, you'd be like, all right, that's it. So maybe we'd get 60% or 70%

of the footballs would be to his liking. So that would go in a bucket. And then we had this guy named Shrop. He's still there. He's still there. And he was an equipment manager for us, the best dude. Like,

they have the best equipment staff in all the world. Like anything you want or need or like to do your dry cleaning, ball, they mud it, everything. they do it for you. And so what they would do, they would apply a thin layer of this. And I don't even know where they got it. Honestly, I don't know. I don't want to know where they got it. But it was this Mississippi-type mud that had some stuff to it. And they apply a thin layer of it to the football.

They'd let it set overnight. And then in the morning, they would bake it at 400 for like 20 degrees, 20 minutes. Then they would get the football out, let it sit and stand. And he would drop, would go through every single football. and he would just be brushing with the bristle brush as much as he possibly could. And then when that happened, I think it was like a day or two that it would set and would come off and it would just like, it's like a very orange football when you first get out of the box, but it would become like dark brown and the grip and the nubs. Like all that stuff matters, especially to us nine inch kings. Like all of it matters. And I think that's what the biggest thing I learned was.

And I know Murray learned was like, dude, if you have the first. football's just right. Like you can you can launch them. Well and I mean in the NFL ball I mean the spiral that you can achieve on the Duke on that slightly fatter ball is just fantastic. Did uh look so obviously you know with my LSU background kind of Louisiana base here uh there's a lot of Drew Breeze fans that that that list show and everything did Drew ever have anything like that? He he honestly didn't care as much. He he wanted the ball. he liked the ball a little bit fatter. So it was a little bit different of a thing.

But I just know that that's all I knew, like my first four years of my career. But when I got to Alex, I was like, these are the balls that I'll have. Do you never really care? Like, he wasn't, he wasn't crazy about it at all. He was more crazy. Do you guys remember, like, watching him? He used to have this insanely massive towel. Yeah.

And, like, this towel would go from, like, middle of his leg to the other middle. Like, I'm talking, like, super wide. And he'd have them special made. and he would actually put him on. And if it wasn't his, if it was just like one of the NFL cars or towels that they gave you, they would hate it. So that was his big thing.

It was like, let me make sure I get a towel. Were y'all, were you all finger lickers? Oh, totally. I mean, you got to. You got to. I used to do it a snap all the time.

Aaron, were you a finger licker? I wasn't really a finger licker. No. Bitch. What are you scared of? Germs? Yeah,

Aaron wouldn't even shake people's hand. we learned this. So this is what I would do. People's hand before the game because he was so nervous. So my trick was obviously we had great footballs, but I had a rosin bag and I would spray the rosin bag with sunscreen. So it got a little extra tacky. And I would stick it in my pants.

And I would touch that before to get an actual little stick up on my fingers, which I don't think it's technically sunscreen and rosin are legal. Maybe the combination is illegal, but I would have a, that in my pants. I would touch that to get a little extra Did you ever mess with the gorilla grip? The towel? No, I never missed with the gorilla grip. We did that in college before it was illegal. Like I had like a gorilla grip towel that I would go and just like these three fingers just like they did it.

Real sticky. Yeah. Real sticky. Coming off that last finger like. Yep. Well, and speaking of, I mean, obviously you were a fucking dog in college, a Heisman finalist, dominated at Mizzou, brought Mizzou to damn near Natty, Cotton Bowl, Wind. I remember all of it very clearly well I mean 07 was my freshman year

at LSU so unfortunately we were kind of the beneficiaries of y'all's disappointment but God that's an awkward place thing I didn't mean to bring up bad memories let's talk about Mizzou real quick here Chase because how about it dude M-I-Z Z-O-U the fucking Tigers are

back in a big way how you feel about how the off-season went I like it. You know, we lost, obviously, our D.C., whose boys with drink and Baker to LSU. So you guys got a hell of a dude. Like, I went in, like, so let me just rewind. Like, I hadn't been back to Mizzou in the non-playing time in maybe 14 years because I was playing.

Oh, really? In the NFL season. Yeah, because I hadn't been back. So obviously, first year out, I was able to go back last year in August, like early August when they were in training camp. And I was there for 36 hours and just all access, like every meeting, all the quarterback meetings. I sat in Blake Baker's meetings, like drinks office. We were talking like all sorts of stuff.

I was able to end the in the session with a, I talked to the team for like 20 minutes. It was like, I mean, like it was the first time in 20 years, 14 years that I'd been back just because I couldn't get back. So it was cool to see the inner workings. You could tell that they were going to be special, right? and that they had, that really felt good about their quarterback. And I think that was the biggest thing, right, was the quarterback play that they got. And obviously, everyone knows about Cody Schrader. And look, D-Rob on defense is going to be drafted high.

And if Raystraw is going to be drafted high, like, we're going to have some guys going the first round, I think. And it's a special time. But obviously, when you lose a coordinator like that, you know, it's a big deal. And, you know, when you're able to get Kirby Moore, all these guys have made such a huge difference. So it's going to be an interesting time for this office. He's another starting spring ball right now. But just talking with drink, like we're pretty, close and pretty tight and just the direction of the program, right? Like, like, not only do we lose like Baker, but you lose our AD, right, as well. So all that stuff matters. And I think really

people are looking toward drink as sort of the person to hold it together for now. went out, hired a really good DC. And look, we're excited about where things are going. And obviously, you know, our two losses last year were two guys. And I was at that game, T. Bob at L.S.U. That was crazy, dude. Well, it was, it was when Jaden took over. Like, we were on control.

And Jaden just said, hey, you know what? I'm just going to mess around with you guys in the fourth quarter, like, unstoppable. And if you really think about it, you, if we win that game, we're in the college football playoff. Or if we beat a Georgia team, which we were, y'all were better than us that day. Like, it wasn't even close, obviously. But like, we went toe to toe with you guys in Athens and we played you guys two straight years. Two straight years. So Missouri's Turney Triptanite. I think that's sort of the belief, right? Aaron, you can talk about it. Like the belief a little bit in your program, in your players to say, hey, we can play with the LSUs. We can play with the Georgia's. What we were able to do

against Ohio State, I don't care. You can't tell me one thing about who they didn't play or who they do play. When you beat Ryan Day in Ohio State in a ball game, like it sets the tone for this coming year, so I'm excited about that. I want to ask you about, because you and I experienced it when we were in Kansas City, I think it was my second year.

We were overseas, playing in London, and we're playing Detroit. And I, it's correct. At halftime, Coach Reed gave the play calling duties over to Doug. And we went out there and dominated the second half.

And then kind of from there was like that working relationship. but I know Andy's kind of given on and off. Eli gave up the play calling duties this year, and we saw the offensive explosion. From the locker rooms you've been in and the offensive minds you've been around and head coaches that do call plays, is that going to be harder and harder to do going forward,

both NFL college, or is it mostly just going to be a little bit harder to do in college, in your opinion? That's such a good question. I do think, like I can tell you right now, I really said this to, anyone. Like, I talked to drink about that. Like, that was my biggest thing is like, hey, you're giving up play calling duty. Like, how do you feel about it? And he's like, Chase, honestly, like, the guy we got Kirby Moore, like coming over, like, he's got it.

Like, I also have my hand on it and the pulse on it. But nowadays, in the age of a transfer portal, in the age of where you're recruiting your own players, in the age of NIL, like, I have so much other stuff to worry about. And quite honestly, two years ago, that sort of hurt our offense. Like we didn't, we didn't innovate enough. People were starting to get us. And I just like appreciated the honesty to that, you know, and that is the case with college nowadays. It's like, you got so much other stuff than the 14 games on the field you got to worry about as a head coach. And so I applaud him. I think it's great. Obviously, he still has the vision of the program, right? These CEO type coaches, I think you're going to see that a lot more, especially in college.

In the NFL, like you mentioned Andy Reid, I think it's a good, thing that it's a collaboration, right? Like, at least I can speak to Andy. There's two to three coaches on the offence side of the ball that are in that meeting with, with Andy coming up with plays. Like everyone else brings their ideas, but at the end of the day, it's Matt and Aggie. It was Eric B. Enemy when he was there and it was Andy Reed in that meeting room, drawing up plays for base downs, third downs, red zone, all that stuff. So I think it's a little bit more collaboration in college, but I do think you're going to start seeing that. And as you've seen this year, the amount of college,

coaches leaving to go to the NFL. They all want to. Sir. There's just limited spot. Everybody's limited spots. Yes, because the day and age of college football and how you're having to deal with stuff and how you're having to recruit your own guys now, the transfer portal, like all this stuff, I think it's good for college football, but you've got to figure out a way to find a fine line. Or you're going to see some of these really good coaches leaving.

It's, I mean, I want to ask you. I want to send this for a quick. We all played in the BCS era. None of us played in the playoff era. Obviously, it would have benefited me, would have benefited you to have a playoff to be able to have an opportunity. Like, do you like the overall direction?

Like, you're an NFL guy. You, you know, that's your Brennan Butter. Obviously, like T. Bob said, like you had this incredible history in the college space. Obviously, you know football. Is it good? We talked about it yesterday a little bit. Is it good that college football

is becoming a little more like the NFL in certain aspect? I think it is. I think you're seeing the game evolve in college. And I do think, I mean, like talk, like I'm just going to reference coach drink in Missouri. He's like, dude, we're going to have to hire a salary cap guy. Yes. Like, like just being completely honest with you. You got to make a front office.

And obviously, they were at the front and forefront of that Missouri legislation to let NIL and everything that they did to pass that. So he's very aware. And I think I have a very good feel on like their direction and how they're going about stuff. I do think that you are taking away, obviously, some of the amateur status, right? When you're able to make this money, I do think that you're going to have to figure out a way in college football. And I'm sure you guys have talked about like everyone else. This is like a no-dust statement to make it fair. You can't just have these five teams out there with these collectives that are just insanely just loaded with money and say,

we'll pay a million dollars per player. I don't care what you do or what you have. Like the Ole Miss, dude, I'm sure you guys saw it, the Ole Miss quarterback. I don't even know his name because I'm not up to day. He just got a private jar. Like what? Like good for you. But like imagine the players on these teams.

Like if you're the punter and you're like the quarterback has a like, oh man. Like all right, I got to go find something. Or you got to be boys with the quarterback. Yeah. Imagine being a quarterback of an SEC school going to the Kappa Delta house and saying, hey, who wants to go take a spring trip on my PJ? Let's go to Panama City or Destin. It is crazy, though, because, I mean, I kind of feel like there has been, I don't know,

I thought it was going to lead to a further concentration of power. And you're right. I mean, you look at Ohio State 13 million or else to all that. Like, that's kind of unattainable for majority schools. But it has democratized the sport in a way that isn't bad because it opens a door for Missouri or an Ole Miss to say, hey, look, we have emotional buy-in. That can now become economic buy-in. and we can fucking do it, dude.

I want to get into prospects, but one more on Missouri real quick here, Brady Cook, because when you look at returning quarterbacks in the country next year, I mean, top five, top three, what's your evaluation of Cook? I think he's a top five guy coming back this year.

Honestly, like I do. Like, I think, so, as you guys are aware, this is your bun butter college, but for people out there that is following me that aren't really keen on this college stuff, if you remember before the start of last year, right, Drink opened up the quarterback competition and made Brady Cook sort of fight for his right to be the starter at the University of Missouri.

And I thought that was great, but it was just a play to be like, dude, just get your stuff in gear. Like, you need to pick it up. And Coach Drink was like very honest with him. And we talked about it too. Like, hey, dude, you need to work on your deep ball accuracy. You need to work on being a more vocal leader. And you need to work on getting out.

of trouble, don't making a bad play worse. Like, don't make a bad play worse. And I think if you look at, he really went to the lab and really worked hard on those three things. And you rewatch his film. Obviously, he has really good skill players. Luther Burden, in my opinion, the best in the country. Like, I don't care what you say.

Like, he, with the ball on his hand, Luther Burden can make plays happen. And I think you're starting to see that. So it'll be interesting to see how he goes about this year when teams have more film on him. And I do think that it was sort of a thing to where, hey, Brady, really stepped, maybe not out of his comfort zone, but became a more vocal leader, got a lot more interested in winning in confidence and everything like that. And I think that was the biggest thing because when I went there and I sat in these meetings with the other quarterbacks, like we have like seven quarterbacks, which is like, I'm like,

how many quarterbacks do you need on a roster? But when I sat in and Kirby Moore runs those meetings and you could, tell. You could tell within 10 minutes of sitting in a meeting that Brady Cook was the guy, mentally, emotionally, even physically out on the field. Like, in my opinion, I was very impressed with him on the board mentally. I'm like, how, okay, how is he going to do that in practice? But you could just tell, right, Aaron, like, you've been in those meetings like, all right, this guy gets it. Like, what are your reads? Where are you going? And they'd ask other quarterbacks and they'd get it, but it took a long time to answer. And he was just so on point. And I'm excited to see what

has. I do think the arm strength needs to improve to play at the next level, but I do think he's got a shot. Like, I really do. And it'll be interesting to see how this year goes with him. All right, let's give the prospects a little bit. So Chase on his channel, did a little breakdown of Caleb

five days ago, and I know that's going to be the big one. Everyone's talking about Caleb Williams heading into the draft, and we'll get to the other guys as well. But to me, it's a clear cut. There's no doubt he's the number one quarterback in this draft. When you watch him a couple things, like one, is he clear cut number one? Is there a big gap between him and the other ones?

And then two, it's hard not to talk about Caleb and then talk about Patrick Mahomes. Talk about their games a little bit and the similarities that you see or even differences that you've seen between the two. Well, I think when you start with Caleb, like the arm in the pocket awareness are elite. Like, first of all, I think I do think he's the clear cut number one. And we'll talk about this in a second. I don't think it's like night and day above certain others, but I do think everyone, including myself, when you break down Caleb Williams and watch him play, they do get this Patrick Mahomes feel for these broken plays,

this escapability. He's got the broken play potential like Mahomes. And I'd say the biggest thing that it's almost a crutch to him because he knows if his first read's not there, he can then take off. And so I think that the thing that I want to see at the next level, can he run an NFL offense? Can he just go out there and go pure progression,

get through his reads. That's probably one thing that a lot of people aren't talking about is like he's so good at that. He's like, all right, I can look at one or two and roll. And I do think like everyone talks about arm talent at the next level. Like everyone is going to have arm strength. The arm talent, different angles, different platforms. Can you throw in a tight pocket? To me, it is, it is insane. Like you actually really go and break down his film. Like I went down, I mean, the film that you're talking about. I broke, I broke down the Notre Dame game. It was the worst game of his career. He threw three interceptions, two were really bad, just bad spots. But then you see all these bright spots where he starts bringing them back. They end up losing, obviously.

But I think that's what teams want to see at them is like, stop playing this hero ball, right? Like, don't play this hero ball mentality. And everyone talks about it. You don't need to do that at the next level. And I do think that if you look at his junior film, I think his junior film was better than a senior film. But his senior film, he had, dude, I'm telling you, that offensive line was so bad.

His offensive line was good junior year too, dude. That was one of your strengths. That's why they were 11 and 1 at first. Yes. And I think I took a tumble down his senior year. The offensive line play was not great. I don't think they had anyone doing separation, getting separation on the second level of the receiver. So I do think when you do get in the NFL, you're going to have those type players,

so you've got to be able to trust it. What about then, okay, let's just go right after Caleb, obviously then, you know, preseason. It was really kind of Drake May, Michael Pennix Jr. Jane Daniels comes on out of nowhere. Who do you have? scored as QB2 or is it even that clear cut and drive? Maybe just talk about the relative like strengths and weaknesses of a May and a Daniels. You evaluate that.

I think it's Jayden Daniels. I think clear cut number two. Like, like, and I don't think Drake May, like, first of all, you do tiers. Like it's Caleb Williams, Drake May, Jane Daniels. Like, I don't really care what period you put them in. Like the tier to me is Caleb Williams. And then Drake May and Jane Daniels are in that second tier. And then there's a steep drop off after those three.

And I say steep, like, there might be five guys picked in the first round, honestly, because there's so many quarterback needy teams. But when you look at Jaden, when I started watching this film last week, I was really impressed with his arm strength. Like, the arm jumps out. I was not expecting that watching it. And I had a couple tweets yesterday and even LSU retweeted it. So I guess they're following me. But like the back shoulder type throws that Jaden does, like specifically the Florida.

game I watched. It was just time and time and time again. I'm like, this is not normal. Like, like, as you know, Aaron, like, it's tough and it's difficult to throw a back shoulder throw and to complete a back shoulder throw in the NFL. This dude is doing it better than anyone, including Caleb Williams, obviously like the Florida game, he ran for 234. I'm just like, he's taken off. I'm like, so in my opinion, he's like, wow, he's a much better athlete than I think people give them credit for, obviously, highly productive player has started five years. Like, all that stuff matters. And one of the big things I think he's going to have to learn at the next level.

And I think really all of them are going to have to learn at the next level is how to not take a hit. Like I think Jayette's way too many hits. And he runs kind of high, too. He takes a high. Yeah, he has to protect himself better and get through progressions a little bit better. I think the get through progressions better you could say for all five because it's just the college ball mentality. And so I really, I mean, I really like Jane Daniels.

And then you go to Drake May. It's like, it's like flash here, flash there. It feels like half of their offense is him running and scrambling just up the middle. Like he does not get through progressions as well, obviously, like as, but I think he's probably better at it. And he honestly, like, and I was talking to a couple OCs and GMs and they sort of agreed, like he sort of reminds me of like a Justin Herbert. Like big, strong, like tall dude, prototypical size, can throw it all different angles,

unexperienced. And look, he's, in my opinion, he's got that gunslinger mentality. That can be good or bad. So you've got to be able to protect the football. But it just the problem, I say the problem, he's probably going to go on the top three. The thing about him is just the inexperienced factor, right? It's just he hasn't played a lot of games at all. He hasn't played a lot of snaps.

But I do think the ceiling's really high. So you bring up the difficulty of going from college to the NFL. I think it's even more difficult now with some of these offenses you do see in college. And there's two quarterbacks that to me, one, I don't think should be a top two round guy.

And I'm here a lot of people saying he's a first round guy. And another one I think has first round potential talent, but hasn't played a lot of football. It hasn't been asked to do a lot of playing. And the first one's Bo Nicks in that offense. He ran in Oregon. And the second one is J.G. McCarthy. Like, how hard is it the judge those two guys, one that runs a spread offense with a lot of bubble screens,

and the one at Michigan, who at times only had to throw the ball 10 times per game. Like, how can you project those guys in the first round with that offense and that lack of, I would say, production based on the offense that he was in? Yeah, I mean, well, I'll start with like Bo Nix, like 30% of his completions were at or behind the line of scrimmage in 2023. Like 30%. That is a very high number. That's from NFL research.

I had them look at that. I'm like, it seems to. to me like a lot of these throws and they were like sure is you're on to something um but honestly like i like i like bo better than i like i like j like i think that with bow you see a player that was at auburn a completely different player than he's out in morgan i do think the scheme and the personnel around him made him better but i think he's matured a lot as a player obviously five-year starter played a lot of a lot of games and obviously like the leadership skills right like the intangibles for Bo Nicks from people that I've talked to are really there.

And it just looks like it's easy for him to throw the ball and move around well. And then you're asking about, well, how do these project in the first round? Dude, if you follow the NFL at all, like we sort of have a quarterback problem. Oh, yeah. So, so like, like I would say the bottom 10 to 11 guys in this league, you're just like, oh, they're pretty interchangeable. And so when the new hottest commodity comes around, when you can, prove to yourself as a scout or a GM that you really love these guys.

Like you might reach. Like I can see one of these guys going to the Vikings. Like actually I have Bo Nicks going to the Vikings. Like because you don't know what's going to happen with Kirk Cousins. He might be a guy to sit and to run Kevin O'Connell's offense and you're going to love him. Like he's shown that the arm, the town, it's all on the same level as as current NFL quarterbacks for the most part. Like I don't know if he's the top tier, but I liked him.

And then with JJ, JJ for me, was the hardest to really dissect because they don't ask him to do a lot. They really don't. And so, like, I want to see him on third and ten drop back and throw a freaking dagger

in the middle of a field versus cover three when it shouldn't be completed. He just, he has flashes like that. It just doesn't show up. Obviously, good athlete when he's, when he's, the beginning of the season for him.

I mean, it was really on the season. They weren't playing a lot of great teams, but you saw flashes of the arm strength. And it just the end of the season was not. a good conclusion. And all the tangibles, like you said, are there. It's just he lacks experience. And I think that's a big thing talking with NFL GMs,

talking with coordinators, talking with head coaches. They want guys that have played a lot of football, right? And they want guys who have played a lot of football at the highest level. And so that will help him. Like, I wouldn't, I mean, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised of all five going the first round. It's just, it's just a crazy draft. Especially, guys, we're not talking enough about next year's prospects,

led by Quinn Ewers, which is South Lake Carroll guy. that's the guy in my opinion. And it's just a much lower class in terms of ability next year. So GMs understand that and might reach on a guy this year. But I want to ask you that because this kind of goes into that discussion. I know a lot of people have kind of already put the narrative out there that this class is going to be one of the greatest quarterback class all the time. There's all this talent. And I do sit back and look at it and say like, I love Caleb.

I like Jaden. You talked about Drake has a lot of questions. These other two have a lot of questions. Like, is it as good as what we maybe made out to be months ago? Or is it mostly for the fact of we did make this narrative and the coreback that the quarterback is a much-needed spot in the NFL, that's all kind of a perfect storm for this year's class? Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's a perfect storm. But I do think that from top to bottom, including some more guys in here, it is the deepest, like draft-wise, talent-wise, a skill position-wise.

that it's been in quite some time. And I think understanding that along with next year's class not being great, along with a quarterback problem in the NFL that we have on the lower 10, 10 guys that all adds together. Right. So I do think it's sort of a perfect storm. But honestly, like I have been focused so much on NFL until maybe a week and a half ago, two weeks ago.

Yeah, I sort of watching these guys. I'm like, okay, like I had heard the narratives out there, but I really hadn't like watched the all 22. I'd watch some film and that and when I watch these guys, I'm, I'm pretty impressed with it. And I've, and like, so I'm, my eyes are new to it. And I think guys that maybe have watched it for a long time, maybe sort of like, okay, well, let's find something in a narrative to talk. But I do think just for me personally, I do think it's a pretty deep, deep draft.

So you mentioned the quarterback problem in the NFL and that's, I've always thought about quarterback because like me and my old man talk about this, right? He's like you. He paid 15 years professional quarterback. great and it's like it's a job that requires such an insane mixture of mental competence processing power and athleticism that on the planet there's maybe like what 15 guys at any given time that can play at a level that their fan base will deem acceptable and 15 might even be friendly right like everybody else just like i don't know fuck this guy like like kirk cousins

it's like the kirk cousins minosa line right if you're better than cousins they're in love with you you're worried they're not but like cousins is actually awesome he'll probably make like 50 million dollars a year in his next contract so is it even feasible to have like to solve the quarterback problem or is it just inherent to the position because it requires such an insane combination of skills it's just inherent to the position I mean you you take like first of all okay I'm just going to go out to think I know what I'm looking at because I've played 14 years and I've played at the high level and I've seen a lot of stuff do we We got no clue what we're talking.

Look last year at Brock Purdy, mystery relevant. Should have been the MVP if he wouldn't have thrown four interceptions against the Baltimore Ravens. And it takes the team to the Super Bowl. No one in there right. Mine was picking him at all. He's lucky he got drafted. He went to Iowa State in the middle of nowhere. No one talked about him.

So like the Tom Brady's of the world, you can get good players. It's all about fit in coaching. I think these guys are going to have it. And I would say you're 15. I would go seven, dude, maybe six. Fan bases are like, we got our guy. And GMs are like, we got our guy. It's just so difficult to play the position.

Obviously, you've got to have the mental strength. You've got to have the physical strength. But you've got to have a good coach, man. You've got to have a scheme that hits yourself. And you've got to have an offensive coordinator that decides, hey, we're going to build the scheme around Caleb Williams or Jaden Daniels or Drake May, all that stuff for it to work. And oh, by the way, as you guys know, you can be the best quarterback in the world. But if you're 10 other guys around you are awful and don't play really well,

you're not going to be good. That's just how it is. Well, I mean, it's so funny. We ignore, you're right. We ignore the situation all the time. I think the prime example of this is Tua, right? When Tua has Brian Florees, you know, oh, is he a bus? He's just to that. And then all of a sudden, Mike McDaniel shows up and Tua looks like what are the best quarterbacks in the entire NFL. Speaking of a good fortuitous fit, you were a part of the magic that happened back in New Orleans, 2009, getting a Super Bowl.

I mean, saving the city, completing the return from Katrina. It's unbelievable what it meant to people down here, but I'll never forget watching the parade. And our guy, Drew, was fucked up on that float.

And I have this, like, mental image. Because he's not someone who you see kind of let the guard down that much, but I had this, not publicly at least, right? I have this mental image burn in my brain. You were basically like his holdback coach on the float, making sure he stayed alive. Were you aware of your responsibility going into that Super Bowl parade?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, dude, the drinks were flowing at like 6 a.m. that morning. And that was one of the coolest days. Like, obviously the after party, the Super Bowl was great. But then, like, we go down there in New Orleans and it's Marty Grawl time. And all the crews and Marty Groll, first of all, it's a huge. It's a huge deal.

they let us write in all their floats. Like Bacchus and Demi and all that. So it's like that's a huge deal before they are able to do that. So we're on the float. It's the offensive lineman. It's me, Mark Brunel and Drew Brees is sitting in like the king's seat of Bacchus or whatever it was. And we had been, I mean, the tequila was flowing. Like we were having a good time celebrating as we should.

And I just remember like halfway through, not even halfway through. First of all, the parade route was like two miles. I'm like, oh, we'll be done in an hour. It took eight hours. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, eight hours. This is the leg. Having some, some cold ones with, with the crew in the offensive linemen.

And I just remember Brunel like two hours in, he's like, hey, Chase, I'm like, what? He's like, we're going to have to hold Drew like up. I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, he's almost fell off the flow five separate times. I was like, oh, okay. So I'm just up there just like holding, holding his like sweatshirt up. and he's just like, oh my gosh, and we're throwing, and he was, he had a great time that day, I mean, it was one of the most magical times in the city's history for sure. And this has been

one of the most magical times in Snap's history, Chase. I cannot thank you enough. This is so much fun. Again, you already know, you want to go check out the Chase Danzo show on YouTube. Go subscribe. Again, you want actual film breakdown. Think about it. 14 years of it. NFL experience. And I imagine it's like, you're grinding, like, you probably learn to love grinding film in your career. And so like, do you still love it? Is that why you still do this? You just love being in the all 22? Yeah, you know, when I, when I decided to move on to media this past year, there was some really good opportunities. And I'm just like, I got to, I got to stay around the game. It was either coaching or media. And if I coached, my wife would

divorce me. Like, I've done so much this game. Like, it's just, it wasn't in the cards right now. And like I got access to college and NFL all 22. And it's just something, I mean, Aaron, you know, right? You've been, I just love studying film because I like, I like understanding what different teams are doing with different players. And in my job, or not my job, I really, of all the things I do like this YouTube channel to me with the breakdowns that I'm doing, like I just want to teach ball to people. Like I want, I want people to learn. And I could have never imagined that it would have taken off like it's taken off right now. So it's fun.

And I think that's my biggest thing. is like, hey, I have so much knowledge just from being around so many different players and teams and stuff. I want to be able to teach it. And so that's sort of my goal in these 20 to 25 minute videos is to show you what teams are doing, but also to sort of teach you football for the betterment of the game. Speaking of film, I lived in, I lived with Chase for about three months in Philly. Philly. Chase would wake my ass up every morning at like five o'clock in the morning, come banging on the door. Get your ass up. We got to go watch now. jumping the jeep

it is funny that it's over overinflated tires be bouncing on those damn streets and Philly you kind of uh you you kind of fucked our boy Aaron

because he got caught behind one of the greatest backup quarterback in NFL history dude he just kept cuck at him dude that's funny

oh my goodness I can't think you know man you've been so gracious with your time I know you're super busy so thank you and look you can chase

dandal show on YouTube you got the podcast of Trey Wingo once a week also all over the YouTube channel, the athletic football show. Fallam on Twitter at Chase Daniel. Thank you, man.

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Close out the show. ESPN. 80 best college football quarterback since 2000. We are firmly in the off season. Here's the top 10. Number one, we'll see if we agree and disagree. Number 10, RG3, 9, Marcus Marietta, 8, Lamar Jackson, 7, Kyler Murray, 6 to Sean Watson, 5, Joe Burrow, 4, Tim Tebow, 3 Vince Young, 2, Cam Newton, and number one, Baker Mayfield. How about it?

Aaron, Gap one, what do you think? Uh, Baker at one. I don't love I put it in Baker at one. You know, you, to me, you know who I want one. Yeah, I know. To me, it's, it's a mixture of my top three and you put them in any order you want because they're all very different with the way they play. Top three, whatever do you want? Tebow, Cam, Joe, Burrow.

Those are my top three. I think that. Those should be your top three. What about Deshawn Watson? I like DeShon, too. I like Deshaun. I'm tempted to put DeShan in over Tebow. Or if you wanted to go Tebow over.

No, I don't hate Tebow. I don't hate Tebow. I don't hate Tebow. I was going to say, in fact, you could maybe take Burrow out of there because it was one year. But it was like such a year. But so was Cam.

So Cam was one year. Yeah, but Cam also had success at Blin and everything else. I don't count that though. He's remembered for the one year at Auburn. Wait, where did it? Okay, wait, so PG has linked Aaron Murray on this list. Where did, Aaron comes in number 47. Murray resurrected the Mark Ricked era in Athens, leading the dogs to within second to the VCS championship in 2012 and not only finish you in most passing yards in the history of the SEC, but finishing nearly a thousand yards ahead of second place, Drew Locke and nearly 2,000 yards ahead of third place David Green.

Suck it, David Green. There's only one Georgia quarterback that I recognize. It's my nine-inch king with his tacky rosin-back stuffed in a quarter-bitches. Nine-in-a-quarter bishops. Try to make his dick look bigger. All right. So if I had to re-rank the top five, you know, you know how I go-Cham Newton one. I go Cam Newton one with a bullet, dude.

I mean, you saw the fight the other day, dude. Not even, not even four people trying to fuck our guy up could handle it. We'll do Cam one, Joe two, Tim three, Deshawn four. Okay. I can do that. Who do we want to be five? Five would be Baker? Vince or Baker?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Vince, it's tough because Vince suffers from a little bit of a different era to where his numbers don't look as overwhelming, but at the time they were mind blowing. I'll put Baker at five. I'll put Baker at five. But Vince did, but Vince did straight up fucking win the Natty, right? But Baker's story coming from being a walk-on and just like consistently bend on himself, it's hard not to be. So this is our, this is our snaps top five.

We'll put our graphic out, official stamp of approval. Snaps top five quarterbacks of the 20s or 2000s. We got Cam one. We have Joe, World 2. Tim Tivore 3. Deshawn 4. Yeah.

Baker 5. Okay. I agree. I'm down with it. How about, so you were right in between. You were ahead of Byron Lefich, Aaron,

and you were right behind Colt Brennan. Rest in peace, Colt. Hawaii legend. I like that list. I think it's a pretty good top five that we just put together there. look massive thank you i know we came on a bit early today so massive thank you uh daves here says

vince young is the best q bfcena college are we sure we won baker over vince at five yes okay um massive massive thank you to everybody join us to know we're how early can't thank chase daniel enough and again guys for real if you want to uh really learn football like his youtube channel is invaluable it is it is awesome texas rocks terrible top five, just lousy. Look, Vince is, he's O-L-I, right? He's number six. He's O-L-I. He's just on the outside looking in. And Texas Rocks, you should be happy because if you noticed that, Chase Daniels just told you he thinks Quinn yours is the best quarterback in the country next year. Has Teabob said to actual date to get his hair cut short yet? The audience deserves some firm

notice. Again, I have to double-check my brother's wedding, but it's in April. I am officiating it. So my wife says I have to keep my hair because she loves my hair where it's at currently. After the wedding, the fuck boy fade will be the first. I get my hair cut on Wednesdays. That'll be the first Wednesday after the wedding. I will officially show up with the fuck boy fade that Thursday. And me and Aaron can finally become the Tampa 2 that we've always, and I'm not talking about Monty Kiffin. I'm talking about the time of the Bitcoin, the Bitcoin halving is right about then as well. So like you'll be full. Do I need a sell at that point?

What do I need to do when they have it? Do you need a sell? Do you need a whole hot? Wait, wait. How about this? Do I need a hoddle? Holdle. Look at me.

Hold on me. Am I a crypto guy? Am I crypto guy now? Texas Rocks. Vince is one. Disagree on Quinn. He still frustrates me. L.

well. How the fuck do you not know the dates is JavSolo? I live my life. I'm what you would call detail agnostic. you know, I just kind of take things as they come. But to your point, I probably should shit. I got to make sure I'm still a minister. I married my sister.

So I can technically marry, Barry and baptize, Aaron, if you're ever feeling a little, like you need some forgiveness. You can come to me, right? I can help you out. You want to hear a funny memory? Some guy, T. Bob, never do what your wife wants. We need to have a private talk about a long-term marriage. It's not happy wife, happy life.

It's happy king, happy kingdom. I don't. That's fucking awful advice. That is going to fuck you. Please, nobody listening. Like, I don't care. I got, I got a few firm rules in this life. A new firm rule is don't buy drugs from strangers.

Like, if you're in a bachelor party, you cannot buy street drugs anymore. It's too fucking sketchy. You got to line it up ahead of time or you just, to go without, okay? One of the other rules would definitely be happy white, happy life. I think that's probably the best. You want to hear a funny memory I had today? We were talking about like our crushes. So Stephen A. Smith had a question of like, you know, every decade you've been alive, who do you have a crush on, right? And so for the 90s for me, one was Danielle Fisher from Boymey, Toll, of course, to Panga, just like, absolute

babe. But the other was Britney Spears. And I thought this. was pretty creative. Okay. My young 11, 12 year old fantasy was that me and Britney Spears would do a freaky Friday and we would body switch. And while I was in her body, I was going to take a bunch of pictures of my boobs and I was going to mail them back to my actual home address. That when we switched bodies back in my mail, I would have pictures of Britney Spears' boobs. That's actually genius, dude. You don't think that's creative at all. all. You're a weird person, bro. I think, bro, I think, I think

that makes all the sense in the world, dude. I feel like I'm still proud of that scheme. Thank you. Your service is going on. No, your service is going to share. My service with the crap or your, my serve from the good. Got it. That's nonsense.

It came out of your mouth. Who is your, who's your, who's your 2000s or 90s crush them? For the 80s for me, it is very clearly Karen Allen. From Rangers of the Lost Ark, she's got this magical smile just infatuates you. And then who? Christina Aguilar. Okay, Aguilera is a good one.

I'll never forget the dirty video when it came out. He's kind of like freaked out in a good way. And then I would say Heath Ledger would be up there for me as well. Another guy that the smile is just magnetic. And, oh, dude, Sloan from Ferris Bueller's Day Off before talking 80s. I was infatuated with her. She had such a charisma, such a screen presence. I still wonder what ended up happening to her.

But yeah, she was awesome. Fares Bueller Day Off, great movie, too. One of my favorites. All right. That'll do it for today's show. Yeah, Ledger is definitely a man crush. How could he not be? Ten things I hate about you?

You kidding me? Great movie, by the way. By the way, boys, Dune 2. Let's fucking go. Almost here. Gonna see it this weekend. PLF, Dolby Atmos Sound System, 4K, Barco laser projection on a fucking

IMAX screen who's fucking hyped this guy going to rewatch Dune 1 tomorrow night I believe we did that we did that on Friday this past Friday we watched Dune 1 How'd you how to go it's so good So good it was my same time rewatching the past two weeks Sharon's first time so

Oh nice okay hell you're fully red I'm ready to go I'm ready to go Um Lac Hessey Delby Atmos what matters most I agree like The biggest difference between theater and watching a move into home,

in my opinion, is not actually the screen size, it is the audio setup. If you go to a theater that has a next level audio setup, it is, it can't be recreated at home. When you feel those throfters in your chest

and those sandworms in your chest, have you seen the Dune popcorn bucket? Mm-mm. It looks like a giant butthole. It's kind of funny. How about this? Here's another thing that I was thinking that's kind of funny.

you get a popcorn bucket and you put a hole in the bottom and then you ask the person next to you, hey, you want to ride my sandworm? Uh-oh, here it comes. Wait, hold on, take a little popcorn out. It's not big enough. Just take some off the top. Hey, chill out.

Just takes it by it. It's a small bucket, okay? It's a small. It's a kid's a kid's little bag. It's not a kid's bucket. It's not a kid's a bag. It's a medium bucket. it. Okay? It's not a large bucket, to be fair. It's a medium bucket.

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