The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - Dan Mullen on Tim Tebow, “Swamp Kings” documentary & if Georgia can win third straight natty

Episode Date: August 23, 2023

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert are joined by former Mississippi State and Florida head coach Dan Mullen to discuss Swamp Kings, the Netflix documentary covering the Tim Tebow and Urban Meyer Florida years, and the upcoming college football season. Dan Mullen’s audio is obviously not great, but it’s an AWESOME interview that we think you’ll enjoy. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Every day, we're live on AMP around 2 p.m. Eastern, 1 p.m. Central. And as always, you can listen at YouTube.com slash at volume snaps or wherever you get podcast. Just Google stamps podcast. Aaron, what's up, man? How we feel today? Doing good. Just been doing this. Well, that was an interesting transition. Oh, that's, I thought that was like some transition. That's when we was doing it. It kind of looks like a lightsaber, doesn't it?

They were going across. Okay. I'm sorry. Just doing this five hour long ESPN seminar at the moment, which is invigorating, but also the sign that football is right around the corner. So I can't complain too much. Do you learn anything new? Jesse Palmer is still a very attractive individual. Okay. Great.

So no, nothing. Water is wet. I mean, literally you are in a five hour ESPN seminar that nobody has. has access to, except for the talent. And your sole takeaway, and your sole takeaway is a thing that all of us already fucking knew that Jesse Palmer is deeply attractive. I can't be giving away the trade secrets of the dark empire, T. Bob. I know.

I mean, have they talked about like the scripts yet or like how you're supposed to be an Alabama fan or like how the refs cheat for Alabama? Like, have they touched on any of this yet? I can't tell you that stuff. I can't. One day, dude. This was a, you know, very tight ship being run by, by ESPN here. You come in, special link, special password.

It's kind of like going to a speakeasy, and you better not say what's going on or you won't be invited back again. One day, guys, I'm going to get behind those Hall at halls. And like Alex Jones, I'm going to bring you the truth about college football. Okay. I'm finally going to break in. Oh, there he is. legend himself coach dan mullin coach mullin what's going on man how we doing oh not much how you guys doing today how's the seminar going just asking aaron about it have you been sitting in this esPN seminar as

well that's where i was i got lost on time with the seminar right there so sorry i'm late i was listening not that i haven't heard enough of like steve shaw and the officiating throughout the year i mean i've sat through that meeting so many different times it's unbelievable uh but uh you know just kind of caught in where they were going and how they wanted to enforce some of the new rules. Yeah, man. Huge thanks for joining us today, Coach. You know, it's a big day. I was listening to you and Matt Barry chop it up earlier.

It's college football week zero. Swamp Kings is coming out. Got a lot that we want to dive in with you today. Real quick, though, this season, Coach of what, you're going to be in studio Thursday. No, you're calling a game on Thursday, right? With Barry, you'll be called games on Thursday, Studio Friday, Saturday? Yeah, so it'll be really exciting. You know, getting to call that Thursday night game of the week on ESPN is going to be a lot of fun.

Obviously, Matt and I, you know, we're going to get to spend an awful lot of time together because we're going to be flying now. Getting ready to do the game Wednesday, doing the game Thursday night. We probably be both on the same flight wherever we're leaving from back to Bristol Friday morning. We get the studio Friday night and then we get that long day Saturday ESPN. The funny one is, I mean, we get the football. We sit in this room on a studio. I think there's 16 TVs in front of us. But I'm telling you what, you have the noon game, the 3.30, the 7, the 1030,

then we roll into college football final after that. So we'll be ready for a little breather come Sunday morning. Hey, Teabob, coach thought he was saying, you know, get some time off when he's not coaching and having to recruit, yet he's going to be doing ESPN for five days out of the week. Uh, true, but I would still venture to guess, Coach, I'll let you weigh in here. Uh, it's still got to be a significantly lighter workload than having to call 718 year olds every day. I'm broke up on me on that one. What was that?

I was just saying compare, compare, okay, because Aaron was talking about your large workload of ESP in there. Compare that to when you were, uh, the head coach of a major college football program, like still can't even be close. No, no, it's not even in the same deal because, you know, what the one thing when you're running a major program you work 24-7 365 you know i mean you're on call all the time you're constantly recruiting you're dealing you got the player issues you're there's so many different things that you're you know what the i guess you the job you never leave the job and go home or go from the job and you're you know you're always you work that's it

That's all it is. And it's all. I love that. But it is. It's such a different lifestyle being able to sit there and say, okay, well, hey, I know I'm going to my son's game on Thursday afternoon. There's nothing that's really popping up on the schedule that takes away from that. And you know, I can kind of lay out what's going on. I know, you know, our first Thursday night game is going to be Memphis Navy.

I can go watch some of the film. I watched some of that film the first two weeks. Hell, yeah. I'll be playing the game. And then I know I'm flying home every Sunday morning at a certain time from Bristol. And, you know, when you're running a college football program, that's 24-7-365. You never know when the call's coming. What we got to deal with.

You know, and it's year-round. So it is a – I don't want to say it's easy because I know – I mean, as you guys – It's a lot of work. It is, dude. It is. It is easy. But it's also still not completely normal. Like, you know, the person that, I don't know

anybody works like 9 to 5 Monday to Friday, but people that generally work Monday to Friday jobs, we still don't have one of those jobs, you know. True. I mean, I guess that now I have set vacation, which is a long, extended spring vacation. But if someone calls and says,

hey, we're going to do this golf trip the second week of October. No. I already know where I'm going to be. I should probably be able to reel it off. I think I'm like in coastal Carolina or East Carolina or something. Then in Bristol, like you just have your job. When you're in the business we're in, everything's very structured.

I'm going to be in Starkville. And I've spent a lot of Thanksgiving in Starkville. A little bit different this year. I always laugh when you, get in what we do in coaching when you're coaching it's not really the job but don't forget about it like we are right now you're you're in the entertainment business you know the product you're producing is entertainment for other people that's not the job but that's the what what you're producing um and you're in that you want to people when they're off so the normal people when they're off

they want to be entertained so we're always working when other people are off Yeah. Go ahead, Aaron. So I want to kind of shift it real quick. So we had this whole thing the other day of who's the most underrated player of all time. And Teabob came to one of your boys' defense here. Chris Leak. And then you talked about that first year with Matt Barry the old day about, you know, it was really Chris's team.

90% of the reps went to Chris. Tebow had come in for a small package. But a lot of people still don't really give Chris all the kind of credit. I mean, in your mind, is he up there with one of the most underrated players of all time when it comes to call it football? I think a lot of what happens. And I think when you know this, because you look at the list you're on of like passing leaders and all-time yard leader in SEC quarterbacks. I mean, Chris Leaks on that list. I know.

And he doesn't get, even on the championship he won, the national title he won, he does share a lot of credit with Tebow. And now I think a lot of that is Tim made a lot of big plays during that. I think that Tim is one of the most, if not, you know, I mean, he's one of the most recognizable names in college football history. And so I think that so much gets washed in. I mean, even the national championship game, you know, Tim had multiple touchdowns as a freshman. Now, Chris kind of played almost all the plays, but on third goal from the one, he came out and Tebow ran QB Power to bulldoze everybody into the end zone, you know? And then he fell into a flat route. And, you know, so I think Chris, for what he did for that team and how much he was responsible for all the wins, Tim had a lot of highlights.

So I think easily he is one of the more underrated players that are out there when you look at the body of work in his career, statistically, the fact that he won an SEC and a national championship as a started quarterback, the guy that was the backup that got as much credit for it as he did. And so that puts him up there. Coach, I know it's been too long in here because I want to pick your brain about the actual football. Swamp Kings did drop today. I haven't got a chance to watch it yet. I know you're in it. What was it like kind of revisiting? I mean, those are the Florida.

That era of Florida, how's that LSU 07 through 11? Like, that's the era of Florida that I absolutely hated. I loathed Brandon Spikes. I'll forget. I mean, probably my favorite win I ever had in my career was winning there in 2010

and immediately just stomping on the F because like they had stomped on the eye in Tiger State. I mean, those are some dogs. What was it like kind of revisiting that era of time for you? It was a lot of fun. I guess that's what makes the Netflix. I haven't watched it. I haven't seen it yet.

I didn't skip the preview of a sent to me. But, and then I'm not, I'm not starting it to myself. My son would freak out if I started watching if we don't watch it together. So the, I'll tell you what is a lot of fun. But I mean, like you said, what was really interested in fun, the guys and all the characters that were on those teams between kind of two different, like, it's one error with two very different teams, the 06 national title and the 08 national title.

There were crossover players, but I mean, they were two very different. The majority were very different people. And the stars on that team were very different people. And so it was a lot of fun. I think what makes the show so special and what's everybody interested in this, you said. And I think back then people either loved Florida or hated Florida and there there was not a

in-between, you know, I mean, there was there was not like, hey, I'm all in or I'm all out. Like, you know, you were the, you were kind of the, if you were a Florida fan or you liked the gators or you were into that, they were the team. You know, I mean, kind of goes back to watching some of the U specials on you. That Florida era probably had some similarities to that where people loved them or hated them. And I think that's what's gotten everybody so excited about the Netflix show. You know I talked about a little bit a few weeks ago, Coach, and I don't know how much they're going to talk about Aaron Hernandez in this special because just like Mansell, you didn't see a lot of those players because you don't want to talk bad about one of your

teammates, regardless of what may or may that have had. But how was he to coach and how was he as a teammate? Because I feel like the perception is probably completely different from what we view on the outside. I think it is. I think Aaron's life after Florida, Aaron's life away from football, has a certain perception about it. And people, you know, there's so much said about it.

But I think the people that knew him in football, you know, You know, the people, you are around him in the locker room every day and during his time and his playing times. There are people that I know. Everybody loved Aaron Hernandez for that. You know, that guy that was in the locker room, that competed, loved football, you know, was a great teammate around everybody in the building. As you said, I think it does make it hard because there is so much that happened away from football. and especially away from Florida later on, that was different than the person that a lot of people knew.

And so I think it is, you know, you have a lot of people that are out there that are going to be very hesitant how much they get into Aaron Hernandez because, you know, it's almost, I mean, in a sense, you could go like it, it's like a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde's story. You know what I mean?

You know, and I don't just kind of cut it too much, but there is very extremes to the Aaron Hernandez that's out there. And I think people know very, very different sides of them. Yeah. And it's really a story that is just tragic kind of all the way around by the end of it. But, okay, this is the impossible pivot that you have to do in sports talk when you get into something serious. So we'll just kind of steer the ship and deal with the whiplash here. I do, I do want to talk about the upcoming season, man. It's, it's week zero right now. And I was driving over here. I was like, what I want to ask coach? And I'm listening to the interview

with you, Matt, everything. And something popped in my head that I really want to pick your brain on. Out of Alabama right now, it seems like there is growing momentum that Jalen Milrow may be the guy out of the gates. I am someone who I'm like, look, man, man, if nobody's grabbing that, like why not maybe adopt a running, a rushing identity, go heavy on Milro. And you're the perfect person to ask about this because you did this. Like you had great success running QB power with big dudes where maybe just throwing the ball constantly wasn't kind of their forte. And then all of a sudden you have Kyle Trask, everything changes and you're just like slinging

it all over the field. How realistic is it to think that Alabama could suddenly go back to maybe a bit more of a rushing team with a guy like Jalen Milro, you know, taking advantage a lot of those QB option packages. I think one thing that Nick Saban has done, top of college football, right? Now, and I mean, get away from having better players than just about everybody. That certainly has not hurt. Yeah, it helps. That doesn't hurt when you have the best players.

However, he has not been afraid to evolve. And he's not been afraid. And I think one thing you do look, I think there was a period of time where he did kind of get caught into, I want to run a certain style of offense. And this is how we're going to be no matter what, this is going to wear your offense. And if you look, you know, I want to go back probably around 2000. 2015, 16, I want to say, around that time from you started to see an evolution of him, of him willing to really change things up offensively. And I think that's one of the things you'll see. It really would not shock me to see multiple quarterbacks at Alabama.

And I guarantee you go find a clip of Nick Sabin's saying at a clinic or in a football lecture somewhere, if you have two. quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks, right? Like the classic, you have two quarterbacks, you have none. I bet you can even find it. Nick Saban's statement making that. But he's not afraid to go against that. He's not afraid. He's going to do what is best for the team to win. And, you know, I think he's going to look at a Jaila Milro and say, boy, you know, in the back of his mind, maybe. Hopefully, it just has a flash at me every once in a while. You know what? Dan Mullen ran this stuff again. I mean, like back in 2000,

I mean, Nick Fitzgerald ran this play up and down the field, and we were the number one team of the country, and they almost beat us. And I've watched Steve, I've watched these other quarterbacks do it. And that drove me crazy. So I don't mind having part of that in our system.

But I also think you've seen him do. I mean, I mean, pulling Jalen hurts. I mean, you'd say him not be afraid to make tough decisions. And I do think, and Aaron, I don't know that because you really, I don't say, I'm trying to, probably haven't been a part of it, but they'll understand this in the room. You can run a multi-quarterback system as long as everybody in the room understands the plan. That, that's what people on the outside probably don't get. The Chris Lee Tim Tebow.

Okay, now maybe 20 years It's a lot of credit for going into every game They knew the plan I mean if I go in my office right now I have the sports illustrated picture of the cover picture a poster like sized one signed by Chris Right It's Chris Leake holding the crystal ball So if he had Chris Leake got to held the crystal ball

Now part of him holding the crystal ball was he needed Tebow to come in and run that package No matter what I needed him to do this for us to be successful going into the game, he knew the plan. So I wouldn't be shocked. When everybody knows the plan, it's not guys like looking over their shoulder at the quarterback competition. It is, this is the plan going in. People outside the building might not know it. People outside the building might not get it.

But we know the plan going in. And as long as the coach is consistent, this is the plan. And we're following that plan. You're going to have success running that type of offense. I'm not even worried about the offensive type. I'm more worried about in today's game nowadays winning a championship because that's where Alabama must get to. They must get to Atlanta.

They must be in the playoffs. They must compete for a national championship. But can you win a championship in 2023 not having an explosive offense that throws the ball and push the ball vertically down the field? I'm not saying can they win the majority of their games because like you alluded to, they are more talented and they can bully and beat people up. But when you get to a point where you face another team that's just as big and strong as you, to me there has to be another dynamic to the offense.

Can you win a championship if you don't have that? I think you can, but you've got to get into the philosophy of we're going to dictate our style of play. If they're going like Jaylon Melrose, running style quarterback, ball control, old school, short in the game, that puts a different style of pressure on other teams, right? Because you have to think, you know, like what you're going into in the last couple of years, and you see these high-powered offenses, you're going into, if teams are going to score a bunch of points, you're getting upwards of 15 possessions a game, right, in the course of a game.

Let's say Alabama is going to, we're going to slow it down this year. We're going to change it up. We're going to go run the quarterback. We're going to go be a defensive game. You're going to get eight possessions, nine possessions in a game. Let's say Alabama is only scoring 28 points a game. You have eight possessions. You better score a touchdown on 50% of your possessions.

Or against that Alabama defense. Yeah. Or you lose. And so I think as long, organizationally, I've always felt this, that the key is, and that's what Nick will do is everyone's on the same page. Now, can, you know, if that gets them into Atlanta, really, you know, in the SEC, it's a three-game playoff, right? You have the, you have Atlanta, the semifinals, and the championship. You've got to win all three of them.

Is that enough to win those three games against the potential enough to win against the Georgia? Possibly because Georgia might not be. the high-powered offense they've been in the past, you know, this year. There's a couple of weapons missing, and all of a sudden you start playing defense. So you know they're going to play defense, and all of a sudden, that becomes more of a slobber knocker game, okay? Is it enough to get by potentially a Caleb Williams-led USC if they're in the playoffs or in a with wideouts everywhere that can score from anywhere on the field?

That'll be interesting to see. but you know I hey Jim Harbaugh would probably invite that that game might be over in about an hour and 25 minutes there might not be many passes through it'd be like a like a pitcher's duel

like Army Navy it'll be faster than the Army Navy but I think you can but again I don't know deep down inside with me with that style I think Nick would be in tune to possibly play in two quarterbacks. Coach, what about this?

You kind of touched on it in that answer a little bit where you talk about George and you're like, but who knows kind of what that Georgia office is going to be? This is something that I am kind of stake. You know, I've planted my flag in this real estate, going to hope that some gold shows up by the end of the year. But it's this idea that with Carson Beck, like, I know he has all the measurable, he's all physical talent. I know he's going to put up great night.

numbers against that easy schedule. But why Georgia won Natties was Monkin and Bennett, like those were the final piece, them being at their best against the best teams is what pushed George across that finish line. I'm not convinced that I can just sit here and give Bobo and Beck the same benefit of that doubt. Where do you stand on that? Like, as a coach, is there any way of figuring out can this guy handle the moment before they're just in that moment?

Well, I think one, the, they could, is I don't know that Georgia's schedule would even allow them to stub their toe before they got to Atlanta. No, I'm talking playoffs. I'm talking playoffs only. With the exception is they've won and all of a sudden when you win, the mindset kind of can change. You know, there's a lot of guys on this team that maybe didn't have to work as hard to get to the championship level. and it's just expected to be given to them. Now, Kirby's battles. He has to one fight against that.

He has to two come in. And obviously, Aaron would probably answer this better than us. The one thing I do think, you know, Kirby, again, when you have defensive head coaches, you know, I can just, and I don't know, you probably, Aaron probably, like, knows the inner circle a lot more. Is Kirby on the phone and some of those conversations with Todd Munkin, which is, let's run the ball.

Like, say, hey, let's get in multiple tight ends and be a power formation. So what did the most dynamic receiving tight ends he could? So they didn't have to have receivers on the field, but he could still throw the ball all over the place. Right. And now with that moving forward, is Mike Bobo going to be able to come in and keep this. maybe that Todd Monkins had over the last couple of years. Or are they going to go back to, you know, some early Kirby, which, where it's, hey, let's play, let's win with defense.

You know, let's not turn it over. Let's not take chances. Let's be a power run team. And let's really try to win with defense. Or are they going to have the mindset to keep it wide open? And I don't know. I think I think if you wanted to be more of a run first offense, you wouldn't have gotten two of the best receiver transfers in the portal,

and you would have made Carson Beckier starting quarterback. Copium. Copium. Whatever you got to say to do. We'll see. I mean, to me, the weapon and making Carson your quarterback signals to me that you want to let. And then plus, the biggest question for Georgia this year is the running backs. Like, they're not healthy.

there isn't a stud number one. It's kind of running back by committee. I don't know. I mean, balance is key, but I think their goal and kind of knowing Bobo's personality, their goal is to score over 40 points per game and kind of give an effort. So we'll see. Coach, last quick one for me, because I want to kind of tie this back to Florida real quick and just the quarterback position in general, you coach two of the greatest

quarterbacks in color football history. Teabobob and I have debated who's one, who's two, who's three, between those two. to Cam Noon, Tim Tebow, and Joe Burrow. If you want to start a football team today, the Dan Mullen football team, who are you picking? Rank your one through three of who you would want, or do the whole, what is it, start bench, cut. Who are you starting, who you benching, who you cutting?

Burrow and T's very pit, Bill. Start bench cut. That's always, that's always such a tricky one, right? one with Joe Burrow is I was never around Joe that much to get to know. So that's a hard one, personality one. If I'm starting a college football team, you're going with Tim Tebow. Not NFL, not long term. Listen, I'll give you this.

I don't know. I think Tim Tebow is the greatest college football player in the history of the game. Okay, I don't think I can share. He might not have been the most talented quarterback on the roster. He certainly is not the most talented player on the roster. That definitely would have been Percy Harvey. Yeah. But in, okay, in college football, I think he is, okay, he won a Heisman, probably he should have won more than one.

But because he won one, they're not going to give him a second. So I think he won one and was runner up two more times, right? Three time All-American. I don't know how many Maxwells and Davey O'Brien's and all that. Right? He won two SEC championships, two national championships. You know, he's one of the all-time leading touchdown passers in the SEC and all-time leading touchdown rushers in the SEC.

It just is that puts him in college football. Now, when you're going, I'm probably more talent. I have both of them. Cam is more talented. Yeah. Okay. I didn't have Joe, Joe Burroughs season that he had. Now, granted, he had some weapons, but I'm not going to take it away from Tim.

Tim had some weapons too. So let's not say there was nobody else out there. That's the first thing about Cam, because Cam had no one at Auburn. Cam, Cam was good enough. That's why I said it, more talent. cam's good enough to say i'll do it by myself right you know i mean like i always say that like you go back and watch percy harvard highlight videos we motioned them in the backfield and run counter both guards pull hit each other and fall down right both guards pull hit each other and fall down

and percy goes for 80 like it didn't matter it's like you draw it up a great percy story we're like t's like i'm at mississippi state is one of the great ones and jeff collins are de-coordinators sitting there getting ready to watch the Super Bowl. And I said, Jeff, I'll tell you what, the Seahawks Super Bowl, we're playing. I said, wait do you see what Percy Harvard does in this Super Bowl. I said, I'll tell you this. The first time he touches the ball, he scores a touchdown because it's the Super Bowl. Jeff said, I just looked, I don't even think he's cleared to play in the game yet.

It's the migraines. They're not even saying whether he was going to. I said, Jeff. One, it's Percy. Two, it's the Super Bowl. He will play, and he'll score a touchdown the first time he touches the ball. He's laughing at me. No way, no way, no way.

They kicked it to him, touchdown. And that's at the NFL level. He could just, he could, you could, if he didn't want to be stopped, maybe you're not going to stop him, even in the NFL. Cam was that way at times. If he didn't want to be stopped, he wasn't going to be stopped. But Tebow had this speech. Like Tebow brings all the intangibles and everything, right?

It's college football and college football, not pros, not all this. College football. I love the university. You know, I mean, Tim will bleed orange and blue to the day. Dies. There's speeches. There's this. In the workouts, making sure everybody.

There's tears. He's crying. Passion. He's just different that way. That's why I think it is hard-pressed. If you do make the argument, now, like, the greatest college football player of all times, it's hard to get past. Like, you can always make an argument for him at that top.

Yep. Thank you. I appreciate that. He's my number one. He's there, one. I mean, look, dude,

you know, I saw Joe Burrow up. What was supposed to do? It's like Catm America for us, LSU folks. You don't say fucking no to Cap America? No. You're saying,

you're saying I'm in the NFC championship game with a minute and 10 seconds left. Like, I'd rather roll Joe Burr out there right now. Yeah, I feel that. You know, I mean, I'd rather roll Mahomes out there and we don't talk about his college football career. True.

I'll say this, it's a 2019 LSU Florida game. The LSU Florida rivalry is weird because of many people I think outside of the schools. I don't know how much they know about it, but that was a hell of a game. Y'all were marching down the field with Trass that night and that atmosphere was insane. It was. a big interception late in the game with like competition. It was, you know, that year with that team, you had to kind of score with them. And I thought we were doing it.

We kind of, we threw a, we threw an interception in the end zone. Yeah. And kind of that, that ended up being kind of that, that ended up being the difference in the game. Because I would have like, hey, well, like it was someone's going to make them a state offensively to kind of flinch first. And that, you know, the one turnover, all when you get in those type of. games can cost you. You know, if you have an offense, if that off, LSU. Coach, LSU really doesn't have a, correct me on the wrong team, I like a true rival.

Obviously, Florida has Florida State. They have Georgia. Yeah, no, not really. LSU is kind of there. So I would feel like it would be more missed on the LSU side than the Florida side, but would it be missed if that game does go away anyway? Yeah, absolutely. He's going to say yes.

I wonder from four games would be missed. I think coaching, and you get this. It's like the Georgia Auburn game. Whoever your crossover team was in the SEC, and like over the last, however many years, you play one permanent, you always play the one permanent crossover. As crazy as it sounds, like at Mississippi State,

I always felt Kentucky was our crossover. That was kind of a rivalry game. You're going to play them every year from the east. And that was an important big game. And so I think for all of those schools, whoever your crossover is, and you can go through a bunch of Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, LSU, you know, Georgia Alper.

And those end up at Mississippi State, it was Kentucky. They end up being big games. Now, maybe some of the newer ones, I think it's Texas A&M, South Carolina, within those schools, that might be a bigger one to them personally. And it doesn't create that national buzz. But I think that always is a little bit of a rival game because it's who you always play from the other side. And I think that that always gives a little bit, there's always a little bit of an edginess to it.

And very rarely do you get. them in the championship game because somebody won and someone lost that game in a count. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, I go back, you know, in 06 against Marcus Russell, we had a goal line stand at the end of the half and we end up beating LSU. I mean, that was the last team I would have wanted to see in Atlanta. I could promise you that. I didn't, I wanted nothing to do with them in Atlanta and 06. and thankfully we didn't have to plan up for the free. Yeah, man. You know, I think that that's what makes those such big games.

Yeah. And I mean, that era, I guess, of LSU, Florida, too is just crazy. It seems like those were two of the top teams of the country every year. You know, the fourth down game was wild. Jake Hester, that's my co-host on my morning show. Florida fans stiller in his mentions every day bitching about the five fourth. sounds. I'm up in the box.

Like, oh, my, not again. Not again. Oh, man. Well, um, Coach Mullen, I can't thank you enough, man. We've already kept you so long. I could talk to you for hours and hours. Your insight is, uh, it's just, it's so good. It's, it's so rare top notch.

And, uh, you know, happy for you, the fam, the new gig, everything. Hope Lake of Koni's treating you well. still very impressed that you can do a 360 on the wake surf. That is so much harder than it looks. So congratulations there. And thank you so much for joining us again today on snaps. Oh, man. Always great. I can't wait. We're ready for football to finally get off this week. I think this season is going to be an unbelievable. And I think just because it's the last. It's the last of this current error. I think next year, college football is going to enter a little bit of a new error. And things will be a little bit different.

I can't wait for the most excited conference this year. I think the playoff run is going to be pretty crazy because I think for the first time, I think it might be four conference champions is the four playoff teams. That's going to freak everybody in the Southeastern Conference out that you have got to, no matter what you do, you better win.

You better chance in Atlanta to get in. There's deep in sweat forming on Aaron's head right now. I've 12 and 0. A loss in Atlanta, 12 and 0 might not do it this year. That's what I'm saying. What are they going to do when they actually get punched in the mouth? We're not going to know. Remember what we say, Aaron?

What does Dan Carni say? Silk slippers on the, no, wooden clogs on the way up, silk slippers on the way down. Okay? I'm happy over there in Athens. Coach Paul, thank you so much, man. You have a great day. You guys, too. We'll talk to you, sir.

All right. See you guys. Wow, dude, I really could talk to coach just for hours and hours and hours. That guy is awesome. All right, that'll do it for today's episode of Snaps. Huge a big of a coach for staying on with us so long. On tomorrow's episode, we'll preview two more Power5 conferences. We've got the Big 12 as well as we'll do another one tomorrow.

I'll also. Yeah, maybe Big 12 pack 12 tomorrow, right? As always, YouTube.com slash at volumes snaps, like it, subscribe to it. You want to help the boys out. Thank you, huge. Thank you to everyone who does. Google Snap's podcast, radio review.

I'll check on the reviews tonight. We forgot an opening comment today. That's on us. Remember, you comment on the YouTube videos. You are inner to be the opening comment of the show. We'll get back to that tomorrow. That's on me. Aaron, thank you so much, man.

You have a good radio show. Appreciate it. See you, everyone. All right. And a huge thank you to Ryan Brumley, Pat Gunther, Adam Grossey, Danny Cardin, and Chris Tran for helping the show happen. Biggs all. Thank you all.

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