The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - Kirby Smart & Georgia's ceiling in 2023, Notre Dame failing Marcus Freeman

Episode Date: February 16, 2023

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert discuss Kirby Smart and the Georgia Bulldogs' ceiling for the 2023 college football season. Will the Dogs repeat as national champions for a third year in a row? Later, the guys break down Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame's issues hiring a new offensive coordinator after Tommy Rees left the Irish for Nick Saban and the Alabama Crimson Tide. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll get into this. that Aaron, what's up, brother? Hey, how was, how was Valentine's Day? Talk for a second as I tweet out the link to the show. Oh, that a boy. Valentine's Day was good. Did not know Valentine's Day turned into Halloween 2.0 for the kids. Maddox came home with so much damn candy that it felt like Halloween all over again,

which I'm not happy about. I thought you guys were going to make a costume joke and I was about to say, when a man and the woman love each other. there you go buddy what i'm not i'm lost there that one what but uh i've been like sugar-free for a month and then last night i'm going through maddox's bag of candy eating all this candy so i felt like a bad dad and also fat ass last night but um yeah so so okay so congratulations and i giving into your or no you did eat oh i gave in oh i gave in oh i gave in Oh, okay, so you did give in your terrible sugar addiction.

I mean, that's a terrible sugar addiction. You haven't eaten sugar for a month. I would say you're doing quite well. Wait, so, okay, because nothing's funnier than when somebody has to explain the joke. But I was sitting here having to tweet out this link, right? And so I don't want to, I want to go back 30 seconds. What happened? What did you set up?

What joke did Brum just make that clearly did not land? Let's get in to the, actual mechanics of this what did you set up your story with about eating your son's candy like uh like a bad dad why i think we need to bring brum into this one bro so what happened was while we're totally derailed show we get started is he said i didn't realize valentine's day was hollwing 2.0 i made a cosplay joke okay yeah okay i know that's a good joke here he was yeah yeah thank you he was saying that he thought you were setting up to say that you and chair dressed up and banged each other um we would also have to be a lot of fun yeah but but not in costume but not in costume

no yeah just exactly just just just pure two naked bodies yeah that's cool man right on yeah all right so now that we've done that let's dive into a college football show hell yeah hey i too had sex with my wife last night not to brag shout out Valentine's day um uh i did not actually my kids candy though i only had one her she kiss uh so for whatever that's worth cody brudey in the chat says the big team i insulted me yesterday when he called me uh nondon if i did cody um i apologize we only know one noder dame band and it's a member of team stamps paul farington aka polly walnuts and as we'll talk about today he's a sad little broke boy just like the team that he cheers for uh but first i want to talk a little u g

Okay, oh God, what buttons did I even just press? Just tweet it out, whatever. I'm just, I'm just tweeting it, whatever. I don't even know. I just entered some sort of matrix code in my computer. I want to talk about UGA as Bill Connolly, the SB Plus had a great article where he was looking at kind of the floors in the ceilings and trying to project forward into this next football season. And I love a line that Connolly had in there because it kind of justifies using the S&P Plus for for offseason talk where he's like, you know,

this off season can be so long from the end of the last game to week zero. We're talking about seven and a half months, right? And within that, we love talking about college football, so we continue to do so. And you can run so wild with takes. And it's like how he put it like the first pass that is incomplete or the first pick thrown, the first bad pick thrown at Alabama spring practice. Well, guess what? Alabama sucks.

There's too much change to overcome. They're going to be awful. And then by August, you'll have talked your way into, you know what? Alabama is actually loaded. They're clear the best team of the country and they're going to go undefeating the way national championship. So Bill's point is kind of look in the when you're dealing with this much unknown, what can we actually fall back on to try to project forward? And now that transfer portals are done, signing days are done, you can look at the data, right? Look at things like returning production. Look at how guys that are transfer in, how they produce. And you can

kind of use that data to try and figure out, okay, what should we maybe expect realistically for a team to be able to do? And there's some really fascinating insights to be guarded. Now, I will say as we start this conversation, he did, he did lay out some parameters on this. Like, for instance, he only took the top, I want to say it was the top, He took out like the top 10% on either side of the projections, right? So like Nebraska has a 0.02% chance of going undefeated in the S&P plus. That's not going to count. It's only like what was your floor in ceiling between 10% of the predictions and 90%.

And so we'll get into it. No surprise here, Aaron Murray. The Georgia Bulldogs ranked number one in this equation as their ceiling is again undefeated. their floor according to, again, statistical data driven models is not opinion. According to the Robits, their floor is nine and three. And then this is shocking number in comparison to the rest of people that this list, Aaron, Georgia with a 63% chance of going 11 and 1 or better. I was shot that Connolly did not bring up Georgia's easy schedule in his write up about how Georgia got here. But really the only question facing them, Aaron, is who will play quarterback?

And can Mike Bobo and that quarterback have some of the same production that, you know, that Stetson Bennett and Todd Monkitt had? Yeah. But I would say, like, if you want to do like percentages of, you know, where Georgia is per game, I mean, they're going to be, I think the lowest percentage chance of winning, I believe, is run 60, 65%. That's the game versus Tennessee. every other game is like 85 to like 98% chance they're going to win that.

And that 11 game, you know, statistics you just brought up is really it's the Tennessee game. That's it. Like Georgia is going to play a one game season. It's can you stay healthy enough to make it to the second to last game this season? By then you would hope whoever's the quarterback at that point has 10 games as a starter, builds a confidence, builds the chemistry, and it is ready to go into Neeland Stadium and take care of business. and then you know i talked about it yesterday george's defense first tennessee in this offense for the past few years has absolutely dominate hypo they got they got the answers kirby has the answers to the test

he's been fine uh just to be honest though uh and if i would love for someone to help me out in the chat on this one i have not been able to read the article because i can't get into my esPN plus and it's how about that voice how about that i'm literally we have on the espan right now i am i am on the page it says welcome and Aaron manage my ESPN plus subscription so I click on it it says you have paid your $99 and 99 cents a year back in January 18th your next payment is January 18th of 2024 so I'm like okay good I've paid I paid I paid you pay my but he's nothing you weren't for ESP I can't get into it on ESPN I thought you literally meant like you were on ESPN earlier because that's realistic I am You call games on ESPN and you pay for ESPN Plus.

I am paying for I have paid for ESPN plus, but it will not let me read any of the articles. I don't know what I'm doing wrong here. I love, I love Brum's passive aggressive chat question here is Aaron figuring out ESPN plus good podcasting. This is the intriguing content that people come to snaps for hearing about I know. Aaron at Aaron even though he runs like NFT companies and is 30 years old and young and Burel has an 80 year old misunderstanding of technology and login and give good takes on everything

Hey he watches the film okay he watches the film uh well look i'm very sorry for you but but i will do my best to explain kind of the the the main part here i can rip off of off the topics like you said Georgia being died. Look, the only thing, the only thing about Georgia, the only thing is, is it going to be Beck, Vandergris for Stockton, and then, you know, how does he do? My problem with George is, so somebody in the chat said that Mike Bobo's, Georgia is going to have better stats this year. And where did he go? Christopher Wood, shout out, what up. He said, you're going to score more points your game this year. And that's fair. They probably will, but I think a lot of that is a function of an awful schedule, right? Now, eventually we can go

to like SEC points for game. Does that matter? Well, I think it will. I think it will matter in the playoff in the championship. I don't think Georgia, I don't think Georgia fans care. As long as you are scoring a ton of points. Well,

that's where Bobo's in a bit of a impossible situation is, I mean, first off, that bar is high even against the bad schedule. I don't know that he'll be able to hit that. I think he's got a bit of a lucky stroke that he has such bad teams to pad stats against. But he has to live up to a bar

that he has just not been proven anytime recent recently to be able to do yeah recent i said recently okay here name a good offense listed a part of though they make a name you're getting old man you're getting old too okay

2013 24 2013 is 10 years ago ago now bro okay we're done we're done the last good offense he had was like 2017 he hadn't done it in like six years okay and injuries and everything else i get it i get it but the The point is the bar is going to be very high.

Now, maybe statistically, they're fine, but I do wonder conceptually, right? Can he manufacture matchups in the way that monkey did? And then most importantly, when it comes to the big games, will he win? Like, will he be able to win those playoff games, the SCC championships, the national championships? And I got to be honest, the schedule for UGA is simultaneously, it's, greatest asset, and its greatest weakness, because UGA is going to be untested and undefeated and the regular season, and then they're going to blow it.

Maybe they blow it in Atlanta, maybe they blow it in the playoff, maybe blow in the national championship, but they're not going to three-peat because of the softness produced with this awful regular season. And you know what else I was thinking about, Aaron? I feel bad for y'all, okay? I feel bad for Georgia fans. Like, I truly pity you because you are going to experience one of the most boring regular seasons that have ever been played on almost any level of football. No, no, on any level of football.

Not, I mean, this is going to be akin to like, you know, your local high school power. That's won 18 of the last 21 high school championships. Like, what are you going to watch every Saturday? What are you even looking forward to over the first month of the season? Like what holds any interest for you? Yeah, exactly. Which none of us are really going to care about that much. Georgia's home games this year for the Georgia fans really excited to celebrate a

a repeat national championship football team. Your first four games this is. You team are in Ball State. Yeah, just repeat. UTIM are in Ball State South Carolina, UAB. So a lot of exciting football. You said it before, T, like they are Alabama now. Like there is there is if you think Alabama fans enjoy going to Alabama football games when they win every game by 30 or 40 points at home.

No. I would honestly say the past two years have probably been the most excitement that Alabama fans have had in a decade because they at least get to watch four quarters of football. Like I love that. Like people always like people get mad at me when I'm like, I don't want the national championship to be a blowout. I don't want the the first round of playoffs or the SEC championship game. Like if I'm going to go to a game as a first off a fan of the game of football, I want to sit my butt down, enjoy some good food, some good drinks, and watch four quarters of competitive football. And an Alabama fan's, Nick's been pissed off for years because Alabama fans are leaving in the third quarter to go to the bars and get drunk because that's more exciting than watching your backups continue to score on the opposing teams because you're that good and that deep.

Like no one wants to watch a game. it's a 40 or 50 point deficit. It's not fun. It's not fun for anyone. It sucks. It really does. So that is where Georgia is because every game on the schedule, you look at right now, Georgia is going to win and should win, regardless of what the quarterback position looks like or how they perform.

They're just that much better should win by double digits. Yeah. So like, so if you are a beat rider covering Georgia, if you are a George, if you are a George, which a fan like it's gonna kind of suck and and i know a lot of you are sitting there and you're hating on me right now you're tube up your full of shit man blah blah blah but look at me in the eye look at me in the eyes this fall let's say late september right maybe somewhere in October you're going to be sitting there and you're going to realize you're going to be watching the middle of a georgia third quarter and you're probably going to be up like 72 to zero on ball state and you're like oh my god

you know what i actually want to go do something else i want to go play this video game i'm into right now i've been thinking about needing to mow the lawn i got these chores i got to run these errands i got to run and you're going to be like well god damn t bobb was right this is boring i'm not committing my time to anymore good on you i'm glad i won and then you become the alabama fan that's like i'll check back in come playoff time okay Watch out, y'all. I see it in your future. Okay.

Oh, it's here. It's here. It's here already. We saw a glints of it last year. It's only going to get worse this year with that schedule, which is why SEC fans are so excited about 20, 23. 2024. Light Dogg, Light Dog, 1968 says, the day I play a video game over watching UGA is the day hell freezes over. Okay, light dog.

go see we're going to see come this fall uh and b tv vis says woof woof mof focus uh i i will say i will say the one i will say the one saving grace though t bob in this whole situation when it comes to georgia and boredom and is the fact that winning a national championship especially the cc will get significantly harder come 2024 you j fans better enjoy oh that's fair okay enjoy why you can't like like this is this it's it's it's it's it's still early on enough in the dynasty where I do think there's enough excitement for year three that people are on board this is awesome 24 man and that's going to be a lot of discussion this entire season like let's not let's be real like this is going to be a really awkward time for

everyone it's all going to be a discussion like what is college football going to look like in 2024 and how awesome is it going to be with 12 team playoff and texas and oklahoma join the cc where get it why you can and that to me that's that's not saying that this is going to be the last time george ever ever has a chance to win a championship Like they're still going to be one of the top four teams every year to realistically have a chance to do it. It's just going to be a little bit tougher come next season. To me, it's not about Oklahoma Tech's joining, although I feel like it. That's one more game.

You know, it's one more. Well, the schedule changes. The schedule will get harder. To me, well, yeah, you're going to add a nine conference game, right? So obviously, yes, you're right. It doesn't get harder in that regard. To me, the biggest thing is just going to be the 12th team playoff. Because you can clearly be the better team, but adding extra games is still hard.

Right. And every extra game you add is one more opportunity to slip up against the best teams in the country. Like Georgia probably in a 12 team playoff would have rolled through everybody last year and, you know, beat them all by 20 or 30 or whatever. But, you know, I mean, look at the Ohio State game, right? But maybe not. You never, that's why you have to play the game time and time again last year. We were proven wrong about our preconceived notions. Michael Ward said when I accused Georgia of softening because they're weak schedule. Michael Ward says Clemson was accused of having a week schedule that and it stopped them for winning the national championship. of twice there they had to shan watson and trevor lawrence i don't know about carson back or brock

brock vandergriff who sounds so incredibly fratty that giving the new frat house nature of georgia with bobo and kirby and muschamp um i would not be surprised if vandergriff ends up winning on uh name alone and carson beck despite his three years in the program aaron is sent to the bench oh what did you hate to see it So we do have a comment that the playoff is not going to change. Who wins the national championship? It's only going to change who plays, obviously with the addition of more teams. I disagree, man.

Anytime you throw a new variable out there, more games, look at that picture. Look at those frat boys right there. Oh, and finish your thought, and then we'll get into this picture. Finish your thought and we'll get into this. Anytime you add more teams into a situation. Like I covered, I was looking at if I was in the Sugar Bowl.

I covered Alabama in that game, and they were, they looked like in a, elite team that could play with anyone that given day. The defense was on, you know, Bryce was on, the running game was going, the receivers were playing the best. They played the entire season. Like that Alabama could have stood up and played a hell of a game for Georgia and who knows what could have happened. Like you add another game in, there is always an extra chance of you possibly not showing up. Let's remember these are 18 to 22 to nowadays, 23,

24 year old kids, men, young men that have off days. And if you're off day is in a a day that the other team who has maybe equal equal players so you do a k ohio state there's a chance you may fumble that thing and lose it so um i disagree i think more teams are going to offer a lot more excitement and a lot more variability to who actually wins a championship yeah it's it's it's it's going to be great it really is um so the picture that you're looking at if you're watching on youtube dot com slash the volume is kirby smart and mike bobo from their college days and I will say this. They're a little bit older than us, right? I think smart's about 15 years old than me, maybe. But I'm feeling a little old looking at this picture, Aaron, because these

styles feel like my childhood, right? This is not like looking at pictures of your parents from the 80s and 70s. Like this acts like Kirby's in like a polo with a undershirt, a colored t-shirt undershirt, something that I used to do quite often back in the day. And Bobo's also wearing undershirt, which, you know, was a sign of kind of the 90s and this flannels. But I guess the point is this makes me feel old because this looks like pretty normal kind of college style to me. And I know that I'm just... Bobo looks like he's about to go to a Pearl Jam concert. Yes, he does.

But he's not full grunge, though. I mean, right, he has plaid on, but Bobo looks more churchy than grungy to me. Probably a hooty concert is where he was going. Yeah, that would make sense. That would make more sense. Kirby, as somebody in the chat said, Kirby looks like he's about to go to a widespread concert. I do love how young and happy Kirby Smart looks. Like I've partied with that guy multiple times of my life, and he's a great time.

I, that archetype, I could see he would be awesome to have some beers with. But it's kind of funny. I mean, they fully got the band back together. And you know, in most businesses, hiring friends is normal, but maybe not the soundest strategy. In football, it's even more normalized. It does pay dividends a lot of times. So we'll see what happens, Bobos. All right.

anything else on this before we listen if you're going to spend if you're going to spend 20 hours a day you know grinding over tape you better enjoy the freaking people you work with i mean that they if who imagine spending that much time and that much effort into building a program and absolutely hating the people that you show up with it sucked for any job now just sounds like everyone who works like jimbo fisher I was going to say, imagine it. And now you're at Alabama. No, I'm just kidding.

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Make every moment more with Fandle, an official sports betting partner of the NBA. Okay, so let's get to some of the other floor ceiling conversations here real quick. So Ohio State, I thought was interesting. Same thing as UGA, 12 and no ceiling, 9 and 3 floor, but only a 39% compared to 62% chance of going to 11 and 1 or better. They return a ton, you know, can you replace CJ Straub? Michigan's a bit interesting and that they're the same. 12 and no ceiling, 9,3 floor, but Aaron, a 46% chance of going 11.

I want that. So not projected, once again for the second year in a row, not projected to be a more talented team than Ohio State, but maybe a team more capable of getting those wins than Ohio State. Other things that jump out here, Florida State checks. Hey, and number four. First off, first off, first of, let's say, you want to give Georgia shit for their schedule. Why don't you give Michigan shit for their schedule? Once again, back to back years where they put off a complete cupcake schedule. I mean, my goodness, how easy is their schedule?

And they get Ohio State at home. Yeah, that's actually probably why Ohio State at home is probably why they have a better percentage than Ohio State does. Of course. If I had to guess. Well, you also get your quarterback and running back back. And your running back was most likely going to be in New York if you didn't get hurt towards the end of the season. So, yeah.

He's been running back. He's been running back. A quarterback who I dogged a lot of a lot of last year. I'm not going to like I dog the crap out of J.G. McCarthy. But he impressed me down the stretch. I will say that. Like the way he played versus Ohio State, the way that he looked in the Big Ten championship game,

the way he performed through adversity, through a couple of bad interceptions in the early on in that game, to be able to come. back and at least gave his team an opportunity to win, I thought was really impressive. So like I, I, I, I, in me, big time in my books, the way he, he progressed throughout the season. So if he can continue to get better, there's no reason why Michigan, who I think has it is an even easier path to success than than, than Georgia does this season should be able to get to go 12 and out. And as we know in the big 10, if you go, if you win, if they beat Ohio State, unlike Georgia,

there's a 90% chance they win the big 10. That's the difference. If Georgia goes 12 and 0, you're going to have to face LSU or Alabama. If Michigan goes 12 and 0, or 11 and 1, whatever it is, say they lose the pet, wait, they're in it. They have to play Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska,

to win a Big 10 championship. That's a lot different than Alabama or LSU. You said Nebraska with Little Venom. Okay, here's what I'll say, though, about the Big Ten. I'm kind, you know me. I've not been a James Franklin boy, but I'm kind of feeling Penn State a little bit now. Just early look here.

Sean Clifford is no longer the quarterback, which I feel like it's been about eight years that he's been quarterbacking Penn State. And now you've got the five-star, Drew Alar, you've been getting ready for this moment. You return like pretty much everybody on the defense. You return a lot of your offensive skill weapons. you were great against everybody saved for the two big boys next year.

Like I think Penn State gets either Ohio State or Michigan next year. I doubt they get both. I think they catch one of them. Yeah. I really predate here. Well, you said, I mean, they were young. They're young. They finally got some running game going.

They got two young running backs that played well, Singletary. Yeah. Singleton, excuse me, and Allen. You said it, Drew, Drew Lahr is a stud. I mean, he looks the damn part. So you think he is. Do you think you think, I mean, you guys the quarterback take? I've heard enough hype and no enough people there that say like he's the truth and then kind of watching him come in there and

garbage time last year. I mean, it's garbage time. But so you're like, okay, that kids, he looks like someone that could put the team on his back. Especially if you got a run game in those two freshman backs that can take some pressure off him, you know, you're at Ohio State, but you do get Michigan at home. You hope you can win one of them and then see if you can kind of muck up the big 10 a little bit. would be interesting if they can go 11-1. If all three teams go 11-1 and at that point, you know, just like last year, does the team that doesn't make it to the Big Ten championship

still find a way into the playoffs. Yeah, I mean, I guess it depends what happens to the SEC, right, as well. Okay, Andy Jay said, wants to know what Penn State ceiling floor record-wise. 11-1 is the ceiling. So that would be like your top percentage ceilers level and your floor is eight and four but at 25 percent pretty good odds of going 11 one or

better uh i remember uh that that's about equal uh actually it's a little under ohio state who's a little under michigan but clearly they are the third member of the big 10 trial and brit and the last team want to talk about here a bit is just to mention USC real quick as uh they're another 11 and one ceiling eight and four floor sort of team uh but the bottom line is like each team has a the biggest variable, right? With USC, they just got to get the defense right. But I bring it up because I can you blame Alex Grinch for the defense if no defense has ever been good under Lincoln Riley? No, no, Grinch is what, coach three, maybe four of those defenses. So I guess he has had the lion's share of the opportunity here. But Riley's still the one empowering him.

And in Riley's six years, he has never produced an offense with a S&P ranking beneath five. So he's always been top five in the country offensively every single year. However, he's had only one S&P plus defensive ranking better than 63rd. Even last year, USC was first offensively and 87 defensively. So at a certain point, I get it. It's on Alex Grinch. But at a certain point, like, hey, Lincoln, you have to make it. happen. You're the head guy. It's how it works. I don't know if it's commitment of resources,

recruiting wise. I don't know what it is. There should be no excuse for having such a just drastic disparity between the two sides of the ball. You should be at USC, you should be able to almost triven fall into a top 50 defense. Like that's and honestly, kind of the same thing at Oklahoma. It's why I don't know and understand why Oklahoma's defense is so bad. They have so much, so many people. So, um, I thought, The West Coast is soft. The defense has to do better. I mean, look, it's a bunch of good.

I like that thing. But like can you prove that? Yeah. I mean, it's just, they don't have the beef that the, the, the, the Midwest and the Southeast does, man. It's a bunch of kids that play seven on seven football. They produce really good quarterbacks. I saw Jordan Palmer put something out there the other day.

The most D one starting quarterbacks this past year were all. were from southern california that should tell you a lot like that's the type of game they play man these kids grow up and they all want to be quarterbacks they all want to be receivers they're all skinny because it's always sunny so you got to be like spelt and ripped up and looking good you don't want to get fat because you're always going to have it's always beach season southeast we get cold months you put some some some layers on you can kind of hide some of that stuff so uh at the end of day like they just based on geography like they just don't produce a lot of big tough SOBs like the Southeast does and then you need those type of players to be able to go out there

and compete on that side of the football i mean what would what was their linebacker 20010 pounds two 250 yeah there's like six five it's like six five too which really yeah but that's a type of players that that are out there in the way they had a big old line though they did have a big oh line so that's again that's again part of the weird disparity there though like you used to have cedric Ellis you used to have i don't know why he pops saying because he's an old saint's draft pick But like, think about those. Yeah, think about those ones. Defenses.

They were incredible under PRATAL that hard on defense. So either. Like I'm looking at their portal right now. I'm seeing that's why I'm saying maybe it, maybe it's a. William. It's a Brian. Alex. I see.

Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Offensiline. Offens align. Offence line. Offensive line. You know, they got Anthony Lucas defense alignment from A and M. But like, yeah, majority of their guys, they, they, they just, you know, your identity of your football team, a lot of time it comes from your head coach I mean who's your head coach where is he want to you know how does he want to seem to be viewed obviously as a core as an offensive

guy you want your team be viewed as a high powered high octane offense when you got nick sabin and kirby smart as your head coaches you want to be viewed as a a more traditional hard nose beat you up yeah but what but what did but what did kirby smart and nick saven both do they open themselves up to the new age and yeah they evolved linker Riley has to evolve this is my point. Yeah. And as far as Alic Kirby, though, not as much Kirby though. And that's why you're seeing it took Kirby a law out and get there.

Well, I guess not. Yeah, but Kirby, I wouldn't say Kirby's like to the extreme offense. Kirby's still, they're still more of a team that is more physical line of scrimmage like football team. I think Nick and Alabama went to the extreme a little bit. That's what's cost in the past couple years. Okay. That's actually, I could, I could entertain that argument.

And to be clear, I don't even mean from a philosophical, what. type of offense or defense are going to run. I'm just saying just be effective. Kirby found way found a path to effective offense. Saban found a path to effective offense. Why the hell can Lincoln Riley not find a path you're having a defense rank better than 63rd in the S&P plus? That's ridiculous. I think it first I go back to the I just want to sound like it's easier to have great offense or offenses that are scoring points when you're starting field position as we're on the 40 yard line every time like if your defense is getting three and outs or getting interceptions again you good field position you're going to score points that's true like that's fair i mean i'm watching georgia

games it's a three and out it's a you know minus five yards or punting from their own 20 to 15 you get the ball at the 40 or 50 and all you need to go is 30 yards be able to get a field goal yeah and you're like well i mean you got a you got a you got a two 28 year old quarterback dropping the mic and all these teens like i agree with you very easy um and then so last thing on this connolly article is the alabama piece and that's just to say that it may it did make me take a step back and be like huh am i huh is there really trouble there so alabama's biggest variable is epic change and yes we're used to alabama just reloading but you're replacing price young will anderson both coordinators are going to

on you brought in coordinators from vastly different backgrounds to the 30 year old Tommy Reese and the 64 year old Kevin Steele and it's like yes you have um I know you have the most town so you've done you know their foundation remains elite on which to build but your expectations are undefeated national championships and is that just too much to overcome too much we'll see uh all right let's you you do think it's too much but like what do you mean like you think they don't win the west so you think LSU wins the west oh I don't think they win the west. I think Alabama's a 10 and two. I wouldn't be surprised at 39 and three next year. To be clear, they check in at number five on this list at 11 and 1 ceiling, so no undefeated

ceiling, eight and four floor. Now let's talk about Notre Dame, who, where did they rank on this list? They're at 14. 11 and 1 ceiling, 75 floor. Let's talk about Notre Dame, though. We touched on it yesterday. And Notre Dame's looking for an OC after Tommy Reese gets poached by Alabama. They go to Al Ludwig, their top choice out of Utah, who is great, who has been great at Utah, who can develop quarterback, something that Notre Dame certainly needs right now. And somebody who's, I mean, look back-to-back, a Pac-12 champions, an offense that dominated those Alex Lynch defenses that we just talk about Cam Rising, a great quarterback that you would have never expected to be great. So like Al Ludwig made all the sense in the world.

Notre Dame was very much putting out there that he was their number one target. Like you said, Aaron, was there, was there video of him like at a game and stuff, like a basketball game or something hanging out? You seem to intimate that. And we were talking about hockey game. It doesn't. A hockey game. Okay.

A hockey game. Yep. Yeah. So the point is you were putting out there. You wanted Al Ludwig. And so suddenly when the headline becomes, oh, he had a $2.8 million buyout and Notre Dame doesn't want to pay it or didn't know. about it, which both look bad, and Aaron can explain that to you.

It's created a fascinating situation where we're all making fun of Notre Dame for being little broke boys. And they are. And, and, and you know, there's all kind of crazy headlines, right? Like Stuart Mandel right now in the Atlantic has Notre Dame remains unwilling to pay for high level CFB. Pete Samson on the authentic has Notre Dame's flailing OC pursuit since wrong message for Marcus Freeman. And like, I had, agree with this. It does send the message. They're not super serious about college football. It's not playing check football. But I did have a moment today where I was like, hmm, are we the baddies? Like, I'm sitting here making fun of Notre Dame for not want to pay that $3 million for someone,

you know, to then pay them even more money, like for someone not to work. I actually, if you, if you were an outside observer, an alien and you came down and looked to me, am I actually the crazy one for going so hard at Notre Dame for not paying three million dollars to a guy just to get him out of his job like I am I am I actually in the wrong here no it's just it is what it is college football it's it's irresponsible I guess Notre Dame is trying to be responsible I'm just more fascinating you you kind of hinted at it fascinating by the whole situation like you of course did your due diligence I hope like you know knew the way his rolling contract was for three years, what the buyout was going to be.

Yet you put him on a private jet, you flew him out, you had your second interview with him, you brought him to the hockey game, he's on the jumpotron, he's slapping hands with Freeman. Everyone's having a good time. Look like, hey, we got our offensive coordinator. We just flew him out, second interview. Of course it can happen. And then you send him home saying, we don't want to do his buyout. You knew what the buyout was ahead of time or option two here, you flew him out without doing your homework, which makes you look even stupider for not knowing that it was going to cost you $3 million to buy him out of his contract there at Utah. So whatever one it was to me is irresponsible. If you're all about being responsible and taking care of your

finances, you're not going to fly someone out knowing that you're not going to give him the job at the end of day because you can't afford his buyout. What are we doing, Notre Dame? So scary money, don't make no money, T. Bob. If you're not going to do you, going to want to play the big boys. If you want to play the big boys. Yeah. If you want to give Freeman opportunity to do his job, listen, you brought in a top, you brought in the gym of the quarterback class this year.

You brought in the top guy in the transfer portal. Guy has a hundred and ten career touchdowns. He's the most beautiful quarterback in the land. Give him an overseas for him. Give him the resources he needs to go out there and get your offense right. Spend the money. You know Freeman is going to have the defense, right? Figure out the offense.

I don't know, man. It is just, it is, it is, it sends the wrong message. And if I'm, if I'm, if I'm a player in that offense right now, I'm just kind of scratching my head like, who the hell is going to call plays next year? We're, we're probably less than a month away from spring practice starting, and we don't have an offensive coordinator yet. Yeah.

I, I love how Pete Sampson put it in his athletic article. And sorry, that's why I was looking away. I had to find it real quick. He says, quote, this program has waited 30 years for a head coach, the fan base wanted to embrace. And now Notre Dame asks everyone to leave room for a $3 million Holy Ghost. And did you ever get that air? Did you go to a Christian school growing up? Did you ever hear leave room for the Holy Ghost?

No grinding and whatnot. So basically, these horny Catholics, they want to grind with Marcus Freeman. They're down. But the Notre Dame saying, no, no, no, not so fast. We are not all in on this quite yet.

And that's you're really screwed over probably the worst here is Marcus Freeman. And like, if you want to know, again, why Brian Kelly left, look no further than this story. Well, Brian Kelly was quoted in the article, which was hilarious talking about,

like, how it is such a struggle to get any resources. I don't have the article up right now. Oh, here. I got her right here. Yeah. He says, Okay, okay, five years ago in the same office, Freeman now in habits,

Brian Kelly reflected to the athletic on how he was brought in to change Notre Dame and how the place ultimately changed him right back. Kelly described his first few years as Notre Dame fighting against itself. The head coach trying to push the football program for where the school tried to hold its ground for reasons of tradition, even amid five lost seasons. And here's we get to the Kelly quote, quote, I was left with it says size

so I'm going to act it I was left to well that's just Notre Dame and that's not really a good place to be I don't know that we had many screw you moments but we had enough and it seems like Marcus Freeman has arrived at his

first screw you moment as basically Notre Dame saying no no we are Notre Dame okay and we will win our 11 games no matter who the offensive coordinator is and we're not spending this money. So you have to go ahead and figure it out to young Marcus, make it happen. And I just don't know that he'll be able to because again, Brian Kelly was the winning his coach in Notre Dame history. Like there's no guarantee

that Notre Dame is going to keep winning double digit games every single season, especially not they can't get this right. So look, there's still a part of me that kind of gets where maybe Notre Dame's coming from in terms of the insanely wasteful economics of college football. But regardless of how you feel about maybe from like what is right in this world standpoint, it does prove that you're not serious about keeping up with the Joneses. Like regardless of what your opinion is of keeping up with the Joneses, Notre Dame clearly

saying here, well, we don't care. And we don't care to keep up. And we're not going to run the same kind of blank check policy that Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and all of these major schools do. So sorry, Notre Dame. Solly, Parra Walnuts. No dad, he's coming for you anytime soon. Listen, I respect it. And I think good for them for making a stand.

It just goes back to two things. Why was the interview conducted in the first place? And if you knew you weren't going to commit to it, like why even, why even tease Coach Freeman? Why waste two or three days of his time when he could be searching for another offensive coordinator when you knew you weren't going to hire this one? It's a waste of time. Like every day is a day you're missing. when it comes to recruiting, when it comes to getting ready for spring ball, you're going to tell me that, hey, Coach Freeman, we're going to tease you.

We're going to dangle that carrot in front of you. Three days, we're going to tell you that this guy is going to be your guy. And then at the 11th hour, we're going to say, eh, never mind, we don't pay that $3 million. It's a waste of everyone's time. So that's the first issue. And second issue is like, I do respect them for making a stand and not being wasteful. I think more schools need to be like that. But more schools aren't.

No schools are. Every school right now is idiot. They're insane. They're wasteful. But you know what? They send a message to their football team. They send a message to their fan base that we will do whatever it takes to continue to knock down every single wall to figure out how to win a championship.

That means we have to give Jimbo Fisher $100 million. Then continue to figure it out, then damn it, we'll give them $100 million. If we fucks it up next year, maybe we'll fire them and pay the $70 million and bring someone else. They are so wasteful, but at least it sends a message to the to the fan base that we give a damn that we will continue to screw up but we'll continue to fight for championships and Notre Dame right now their message is like yes we're resourceful and yes we're going to be smart about my money but like we've alluded to do we really want to fight for a championship and take some chances and take some risk and to me you're sending a message that you're really not

trying to take a risk to win a championship you're buying being the status quo yeah no I agree that I yes you know like that is the message that you're sending at the end there. Hey, man, it's like you said, what did Cardell Jones tweet back in the day? I didn't come here to play school. Okay. We try to spend some money and we try to waste some goddamn football games. Okay. Notre Dame, apparently not. Um, our armada perspective says Brian Kelly had a lot of what he wanted at Notre Dame, Notre Dame fumbled this one, but Brian Kelly ruined a lot of Notre Dame traditions. Kelly was also the losing his coach in Notre Dame history. Um, I like that little in tagline.

I like that take. He's the winningest and the losingest. I love the losingest take from a take perspective, but obviously you only get to be the losingest if you coach Trevor, right? Like you only get to be the losingist if you continue to do such a great job that you stay employed. It's like how, you know, you go look up the top interception throwers in NFL history. There's no Nathan Peterman on that list, right? like it's all i don't know he's

i don't know if we're going ratio if we're going snaps to interception ratio nathan peterman z the goat like like you know he's in the hall of fame for that yeah there's no way yeah okay like being the whole thing be the complete just you know the worst to

set some record and that's one way to get in there well it's like uh a barge's chat says isn't mike chishefsky the losing as n tbba basketball coach that's sounds right. I'll say yes. Say young does have the most wins and the most losses as a pitcher. Oh, really? That is a fact. Yes. Wow.

Wow. Okay. So there you go. Sometimes it's good to be most, no matter what side of the equation you're on. Speaking of sometimes, I'm going to give somebody a little credit where credit is due. Okay. Because I believe in being objective and not beholden to my own personal biases and opinions. And I want to give Brent Venables credit.

We had a rare Brent Venables W yesterday as Eric Bailey of the Tulsa War, rural, were, Eric Bailey of the Tulsa World. Why is it so hard to say Tulsa World newspaper? He's an Oklahoma beatwriter and he tweets yesterday, quote, so appreciative of this move by Brent Venables. On Thursday, the Sooners coach is making every early enrollee, transfer portal and high school grads, available to,

media for interviews. Not sure how many other Power 5 schools, if any, offer this type of access before spring drills. That's right. Brent Venables and 25 new players, 14 early enrollees, 11 transgers are all going to be available to meet the media, to get their faces out there, um, uh, uh, to do it or before spring ball even starts when they get there, this center. And then there's another form beat writer Jason Kersey who, uh, chimes in. And I think I agree them. He says, quote, this is awesome for the reporters and awesome for the players, especially in the NIL era. It's also awesome for the fans because you're going to get a lot more great stories with this kind of access. Bravo. And look, I know everyone hates the media now and it's so cool to just

shit talk to media and has it for like six years. And I know that I'm biased because I am literally of the media, right? But I love the media. And when it comes to sports, I love stories. I love narratives. I believe that one of the main reasons is how we get so invested in how things are so interesting to watch is because we have narrative hooks in us. We, we, we, we know what's at play. You know sets and been it's a former walk on who is now achieving these great heights and it's greater because of it. And that story never gets told. Well, then you're not going to really appreciate what sets and been it did. Right. So, so I love it just from a fans perspective of getting to know the players that I'm going to be cheering for on Saturday. I love it from the players perspective. As

he said, you could argue there's actual NIL implications as you get your name out there and a higher profile, means better tends of getting paid in that regard. And then I actually really like it for Venables here. Okay. Because this story more than anyone, any other story, even more than the incredible recruiting rankings makes me feel like Brent Benibles can maybe turn this thing around because doing this speaks to someone who is loose, right? He's loose and confident.

He's not tight. Like when guys tighten up, they would cut off all access. They don't talk to anybody. They're, like, go into their shell. No, he's loose. He's confident. And he's shrew. because it also, speaking of the media, never hurts to sow some positive scenes to those who are going to craft the narrative around you.

So great job for Invitables. I think this is awesome. If I was an Oklahoma fan, I'd be very happy. Well, listen, first off, yes, it's awesome. But too, in this NIL world, I think as a coach, it's going to be more and more impossible to avoid freshmen talking to the media. because any media source or any podcast or entertainment company can reach out to a freshman and say, hey, I'll pay you a thousand bucks per week to jump on my show. And this freshman can do where the hell he wants.

He can go out there and make the coach cannot stop him from going out there and making money off his name image and likeness. I'm sure there's been plenty of freshmen in Oklahoma that have gone out there and done stuff already that have been able to make money money off their name image like this, doing certain shows or jumping on certain podcasts. and Venable's like, well, screw it. If they're going to do it, might as well just open up the whole damn thing.

So he's ahead of it compared to other coaches. I just think other coaches need to open them up. I mean, any time for a kid that you get practiced in the media and trained in the media, it's good for you. I don't know why we hide our freshmen. I think it's silly. And like I said, these kids are going to get approached and they're going to get opportunities,

and they're going to get paid opportunities to do it anyways. You can't tell them no. You cannot tell a kid in this era. No, you can't go. money no you can't go take that deal they're going to take it and they should take it good for them yeah so but yeah if it makes you if it makes you warm and fuzzy about oklahoma as they get ready to win the big 12 next year i appreciate you jumping on board to you bob i hate that i've had to follow you on this path and i'm not fully there with you but like i said and you can all call me

idiots but to me this makes you actually feel better about venables than even putting together that great class did so good job bring venables see Look, I can say something nice about beatups or BV. One thing we will push to tomorrow that I do want to get into, this idea of should Oregon and Washington jump ship from the PAC 12, the latest TV negotiations, not looking great for the PAC 12. In fact, ironically, even though they, you know, very famously kind of tried to betray the Big 12 and joined in

and the stabbing of the Big 12, the A2 Brute moment, and the breaking of the alliance. It looks like they may be the ones who end up dead in the water. So we'll break down that tomorrow. Brum, I got a great new segment idea from this last conversation we just haven't. Hit me. Like Aaron said, we can get freshmen on the show. Let's do SNAP's teen talk.

Where once a week we talk to a freshman, they have to be 18 years old, though, or 19. They have to be a teen. And we'll call it teen talk. and we'll just ask him about, you know, football and life. Like euphoria? Like, you know, like teenage stuff? Yeah.

TikTok. Yeah, like, or like be real. I hear all the kids are into be real nowadays. Just an idea. Flood around boys. Love it. And there's love it. It's on the vision board.

It's a bunch of teen hard bodies, especially they end up being really good. Do you know our new segment next week, T. Bob? Our new Wednesday segment next week? Yeah. Watch the tape Wednesday. I'm freaking ecstatic. It's going to be awesome. You got one quarterback and one offensive lineman breakdown every Wednesday?

Yeah. It's going to be great. Something we haven't talked about. I am in Disney Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday next week. So we're going to have to figure something out because I want to do the show. I don't know that I'm able to do it.

Like, I could do it very early. I could record and send it. We'll, we'll work chop it. We will figure that out. Because also like I'm going to have a ton of Disney takes. Why do I,

why do I get, Why do I get crap from Brumley about trying to figure out my ESPN Plus so I can access the content. But Brumley doesn't give T-Bob shit for work shopping his Disney. Oh, because we're doing it. We're doing it at the end. This is, this is like, no, only the realist you're still hanging out at this point. This is the cleaning up at the end of the party. You walked into the party and just like dove your hand in the cake and started eating it.

Honestly, I'm too shocked that Teabob told me he was going to be on vacation during the show to make a dump hole about it. No, no, no, no, no. We've had this conversation, but I'm noticing from like what's going on right now that maybe we actually did it. We had a conversation that you were going to Disney World. Do you not have a conversation about when you were going to Disney World? Okay, great, excellent. I mean, we'll figure it out. It's a solvable problem.

We're having it now. Yes. Bilbo says, do you even know what a B-Real is, Teabob? I do because I thought I was going to be like, you know what? Okay, I missed the train on TikTok. I'm about to get on the next social media thing. And I downloaded B-Real like a couple months back for like a day and I hated it. You get a notification from your phone and it's like, post right now.

And it takes a picture from both your front, it takes a picture from your front camera and your facing camera. And it's all very temporal. It doesn't get saved or anything. So the whole idea is that you're being real. Like you're seeing both that you're seeing exactly what you're doing at that moment. And that's just a little too intrusive for me. Like I wasn't so no, I wasn't really hot take. You know what I like about social media?

People's fake personalities. You know, I like the mirage. I guess I agree. Like sometimes it certainly makes me feel bad about myself. So I'm like, oh man, I should be better at this or I should like, look how cool that lifestyle looks. but yeah, like I'm not watching the content of somebody just like, no, I agree, but like, I don't want to see somebody like. You know what I watch sport?

You don't want to watch Sports Center for the highlights? The highlights and the low lights. Yes, exactly. I'm not watching like the second and seven two yard gain on Sports Center. No, dude. I'm watching the 50 yard bomb, dude. Yeah, or the epic crashes. Like, I'll watch somebody melt down on social media.

That's a really good point from. You're right. I like the fake shit. Give it to me. Give it to me algorithm. All right. Well, yeah, Bill, I love you posing pictures, baby. I did that too back in the day.

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