The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - More SEC ready: Texas or Oklahoma? How Ohio State upsets Georgia in College Football Playoff

Episode Date: December 15, 2022

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert debate who is more prepared to enter the SEC: Steve Sarkisian and the Texas Longhorns or Brent Venables and the Oklahoma Sooners. They later discuss what Ryan Day, C.J. Stroud, and Ohio State must do to upset Kirby Smart, Stetson Bennett, and the top-seeded Georgia Bulldogs. #Volume #ColinCowherd #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Aaron, what's going on, man? Well, I'm just a little bit disappointed that later today on college football live from 4 to 5. They wouldn't let me wear if you want some about cozy jazz, nice whiskey, little old fashion, get the fireplace going. Snaps, a sweater. Yeah, look at it. It's a beautiful sweater. I do love our baby blue sweater.

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Is sweatshirt? No. Just sweatshirt. Sure, I don't. Yeah, just a sweater. I don't know. I've always thought of a hoodie as something that has a zipper. I've thought of a sweatshirt as like a sweater with a hood.

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But that's just like a great way to help us out. All right, we got a good show plan for you today. We're going to dive into, look, there's some reports of there at Texas, Oklahoma. We're going to be joining the SEC, maybe sooner rather than later. Who's better position to have success? will break down how Ohio State will look to beat UGA coming up in the playoff. And then with the news that Jalen Hyatt, which is some breaking news right before the show started, Blitnikov winner in Tennessee great Jalen Hyatt leaving for the draft,

will not play in the bowl game. But the bigger question is with Hyatt, Tillman, Hooker, and Company Gone, can Hoytel continue this level of success? We'll get to all of it and more. All right, let's start, though, at the top. The SEC, the rich get richer. As Brettman Murphy is reporting that, quote, there is a desire on many fronts for this to get done.

This being Texas and OU joining the SEC in 2024 rather than 2025. Now, Brett Yormack, the commissioner of Big 12, has said that he is open to this, but that any deal first and foremost has to make sense for the Big 12. What I realized in read about this, Aaron, And I didn't realize this. Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU are all joining next year. That means in a wonderful bit of college football absurdity,

you will have the big 12 go from 10 teams to 14 teams. They just can't get it right. They're the big 12, but they just can't find. Well, you know what? Look, maybe in a couple of years in when Ohio State or when Oklahoma Tech's join, they will finally be back to 12 teams. But look, I'm a fan. of this move happening in 2024, first and foremost,

because you got the expanded playoff coming then. At least it looks like it will be. You have USC and UCLA joining the Big 10 in 2024. So let's figure out a way. Let's come to the table, folks. Let's like get the deal done. And let's have just like a couple of years of stability in college football, right?

Where we make all these grand sweeping changes at once, and then let's let it play out over a couple of years. I'm with you, man. Let's just get it over with. Let's just let's say, okay, 2024, this is what college football is going to look like. I think the bigger question is,

is Texas and Oklahoma ready for the jump? I think financially they're excited. I mean, to make the jump to the SEC, we know the new package that ESPN is going to be paying the SEC to have the rights to every single SEC game, whether you'll catch it on ESPN, ABC, SEC network. So financially, hell yeah, we want to go. But are you ready on the football field to take the step from,

from I think a quality conference, a conference that was, I think, very competitive this year to the big boys, to the major leagues, to essentially the next step to what we watch on Sunday with the NFL. Like that is what the SEC is. And you're Texas, you're Oklahoma. You think you're the biggest, baddest dudes because you pick on Oklahoma State because you pick on Texas Tech. Now are you ready to pick on Alabama?

Are you ready to pick on Georgia and Tennessee and LSU? Are you ready for that heat? I don't think they're ready for that. But yes, they want to get there. I think for them, there's a huge sales pitch to kids in the state of Texas, to kids on the West Coast that, hey, we're part of the ICC. We're part of the best conference in America. We have more money than anyone else.

We're going to have the best facilities. We're going to have the best this, that. We got great NIL opportunities. The fans, just being around Oklahoma fans and talking with buddies that go to Oklahoma, that went to Oklahoma. They are some of the most passionate fans out there. Now they're super excited to join the best conference in America. So it makes a lot of sense.

But to think that those two schools, because of their history, are going to automatically jump into this conference and have success day one. That ain't going to happen, T. Bob. I think you and I both can agree on that one. It is going to take a couple years and more talented prospects through the portal and through the high school ranks for them to be very competitive in this league.

What are we defining as success? A playoff appearance in a 12-team playoff? Because, I mean, I agree with you. I don't see them suddenly like passing up Kirby Smart and winning an SDC championship. But I don't, I mean, look, man, well, okay, let's get in it in terms of maybe who is better positioned to have success between the two.

And then maybe we can get in this idea of, okay, now that we think this position, team is positioned better, how high can they go? Because you look at Texas, Texas seem pretty ready to take on Alabama earlier this year. And that's the Texas team that in theory should only get better with another year under Sark. In terms of who I think is more prepared, I think this would be very easy just a year ago. If Lincoln Riley was still at Oklahoma, it would be Oklahoma. With Brent Venables at Oklahoma, I think the answer is Texas.

And I say this is someone who really doesn't believe in Steve Sark. I've been painfully clear about that. I mean, if you just look at Oklahoma, the recent sample size does not make you feel very good. Like under Brent Venables, the defense remained just as bad as it always was under Lincoln Riley, and the offense got worse. And I'm not just saying that.

They were eighth in the big 12. Remember, out of 10 teams, don't be confused by Big 12. Eighth in the Big 12 in scoring defense, ninth in total defense. They were bad. They were really bad here in your, one. Honestly, though, Aaron, more than anything, why I don't like Oklahoma going in to the SEC

and it does trace back to Venables, but it traces back to that quote that Brent Venables had about being committed to Oklahoma, where he was like, don't commit to Oklahoma unless you're committed. Like, you're not going to be allowed to take other visits. Like, if you're committed, we want you all in. Like, we want you married. Like, that's just being committed to want to, Don't commit here if you're not ready to actually abide by and if you still want to go visit other places. And I understand what Venables is getting at. And in a perfect world, that would be the case. The guy commits and you can go ahead and essentially sign him that day and you no longer have to worry about it, et cetera, et cetera.

And I understand just with basic human empathy why a coach would want that to be the case. But the problem is it feels at odds. That quote does. It feels very out of touch to me with the current generation and the current reality. of college football. And to me, it shows someone who is pining for something unrealistic rather than the accepting the reality at hand. And make no mistake, the reality at hands, especially now with the hurdle. The reality is recruiting never ends. It's like squints in the sandlot telling the story, you know, forever. You got to suck these guys forever now. You're never

off your knees because the second you get up, they end up going elsewhere. I don't care if they're junior or senior or sophomore because everybody has years of eligibility left and everybody can leave now. So maybe I'm reading too much into this. They do have a very good recruit class right now. They're eighth in the 247 composite, but I don't feel good about Venables. Oh, you took a huge step back. I don't think there's any evidence that's going to improve under Venables. I say Texas is better suited than Oklahoma. Well, both have great recruiting class right now. So I'm just like on 247 at the moment Texas is number five, Oklahoma is number eight. I think the interesting topic, and this is going to be something like, okay, when you make

the jump from your conference to the SEC, there is a level of expectation because there's already a level of expectation for those fan bases. Like let's let's be serious. Like Texas, Texas thinks that, you know, their fans that their shit don't think that they should be a team that should be fighting for championships year and year out. That's just, that's Texas football. They think they're the best. I think they're the best high schools.

I think they're the best recruits, the best university, the tradition, all that. So they think that, okay, we are well equipped to make this step into the next to the big boy leagues. And same thing with Oklahoma a little bit as well. But if, especially for Oklahoma, because I don't anticipate Stark next year struggling, and they could. I mean, you're losing your best running back in Bejan Robinson. Your quarterback, who we thought was great to start the season off. Kind of was a hit or miss at the end of the season. I thought he probably should get Ben.

He was bad. Hudson card. Yeah, he was bad. card is in the transfer portal right now you do get a manning but is he going to be ready as a true freshman to be the starter i don't think he's going to be ready but i think that he may get every opportunity to win the starting job next year but if both teams say say it happened say 24 boom we come to something by the by this summertime that's saying that texas and oklahoma will be making the official move to the iCC come the following football season say oklahoma goes 7 and

say Texas goes 8 and 4 and not a real major improvement on either side of the football where it looks like, okay, we're ready to take that next step. Does either team make the move at the quarterback, or the, excuse me, the head coaching position? I think that's going to be the big talking point. And this will be Venable second season. This will be Sark's third season, still very, very early in their tenure at those universities. but there is a we don't want to get embarrassed type mentality of of when we do jump into the C C,

Teabobbop, do you think that either team wouldn't make the move and decide to move on from their head coach at that point? If both seasons are or average to below average next season. Yeah, you're saying if they gave them two years, absolutely. I mean, that would be, that would be a more than large enough sample size with Steve Sarkesian. And unfortunately, for Brent Venables, the panic created. by this year. Although, look, I think Oklahoma fans are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to kind of

of explain it away, and rightfully so, it's year number one, okay? Relatively small sample size, give them a little time. Though, again, in this new age of college football, I think it's fair to also have an expectation of things turning around faster because we've seen multiple examples of it. Get successful, T. Bob. Who's that? Lincoln Riley. Exactly. Exactly. Right. So we have that. We have Mel Tucker of a year ago. We have Ryan Kelly winning the West with a group that had 39 available players for a bowl game. Right. Like so it can happen to mealy.

It didn't happen for Brent. But I'm still, I'm not willing to say that he can't turn around. But I, not, you know, that it is possible. But I just don't think he's the guy. I don't think Steve Sarkeesans maybe the guy, but I think he's more of the guy than Venables is. And I get what Big Red is saying in the chat, Big Red 243. Talked about Venables getting an All-American in the portal yesterday, getting approved for new facilities. They do have a very good recruiting class this year.

Maybe I'm completely misreading the room. Maybe I'm completely wrong on Brent Venables. Again, I just don't know. There is no former resume, no head coach at a smaller school, nothing like that to pull from. We have someone who has been under Davos wing forever and is now out on his own, and he had a really bad year one. But again, everything else looks good, like off the football field.

So maybe he is the guy. I still think Texas seems a bit better suited, which is, you know, look, I think from just a pure brand and football history standpoint, Oklahoma is unquestionably the better school. So Invinibles is the guy, then I'm going to be wildly wrong. Yeah, they are.

Look at, look at like national championships, Heisman winners. Oklahoma has always been better than Texas. Yes, but if you, if, Tebow, if you go ask any recruit in America, whether college transfer portal or just a high school kid, What's the more recognizable brand? It's still Texas.

Texas is still the bigger brand. While Oklahoma may have more this or that, it's still. Okay, maybe I shouldn't have included brand better. Maybe I shouldn't include a brand in there. More maybe a football success history. Oklahoma has had vastly more football success than has. We have been tricked. We have all been tricked into the Texas brand.

Yes. We have all been tricked into this Texas brand. And I a few times this year have jumped onto this. Texas is back and we've done it year after year for year. And yes, they've had a couple good years here there. And yes, for those fans that want to hate on me in Georgia, that they did beat us in the Sugar Bowl. But we will always be tricked because it's Texas because we see the bird orange.

We see the talent that's coming out of the state. We see the resources that they have. We see the money that is put into it. And we automatically think, oh, it's Texas. They have to be good. Oh, it's Texas. They have C-Sarkesian. and they're going to get better.

Oh, they got a manning. They're going to get better. We keep finding ways to try and bring Texas football back when they haven't been back in a long damn time. They haven't been back since Colt McCoy walked off that campus back in what, 2008? Since he got knocked out of the game, National Championship game versus Alabama,

Texas has been very irrelevant. They've had a season or two here or there, but the consistency level has not been. We keep trying to force this subject. And I don't know if it's going to happen. anytime soon. And I don't know once again that if you just insert a manning that all of a sudden, poof, magic's going to occur, that this team is going to obviously all of a sudden going to have success. I think they're going to be joining a conference where I will say this, Georgia's well

positioned much more than Texas is to win a championship. Alabama still is positioned way more to have success than win a national championship with Nick Savin's self the helm. I would say LSU, your boys are more positioned with owning the state of Louisiana to have success and win. Let's not forget, like in the state of Texas, you know, with how bad it is and how stinky it is right now at Texas. And then with Jimbo, they're still recruiting pretty well. They just got a five-star commit the other day. They're going to be fine.

You still have to divide that state up pretty well where I know Louisiana, if you're a top recruit, you're going to go to LSU. If you're a top recruit in the state of Georgia, you're going to go to Georgia. If you're a top-recruiting the state of Alabama, most likely, you're going to go to Alabama. I just don't think Texas, when they join the big boys, I just don't think Texas, when they join the big boys, are going to have the same sort of talent

that those other schools have that I just mentioned. In your own conference, in your own conference. I'm proud of you, Aaron. You passed the test, right? I laid the Texas trap out for you, and you passed the test. earlier this season, we decided that we were going to tattoo never again with Texas. Will I go to kick that football?

I will never get Lucy to get into this thing and you pass the test. That's it. When I say I think Texas is better positioned than OU right now, I am with you. Overall, I don't think there are any threat to the greater SEC power structure. I still think I'm going to have to wait and have that proven to me before I give them the benefit of the doubt. I guess just somewhere along the thing, I became a huge preventibles hater.

And I'm sorry, Big Red, maybe I end up, maybe I end up being wrong. Hey, guys, okay, first off, Zubi Woon-Wum, that's a funny name, Zubi Wumum in the chat. We did not skip Mike Leach two shows in a row. We did a show yesterday all about him. You go check it out. It was very fun, very cathartic in a lot of ways. And the bottom line, we do want to mention Mike Leach today, put Mike Leach in the Hall of Fame, okay? He has a 59.6 career win percentage.

The requirement is 60%. Mike Leach coached at schools that were traditionally awful. It would be the height of absurdity and commitment to ridiculous technicality. If you were not going to put a man who had such a massive imprint on this current era of college football in to the Hall of Fame. So as far as a Mike Leach conversation today, absolutely. Someone who so deeply touched and transformed this game needs to be celebrated. for all time by being enshrined in those immortal halls. He essentially him and Mummy created a brand new offense that has changed the game of football.

I mean, I was just on the coaches call. I have, you know, I have the FCS semi-final game this week at North Dakota State versus incarnate Word. And just talking with incarnate Word and their coach and what they run, a lot of it is based on, he said, 40, 50% of our offense is based on what we've seen from the air rate offenses. these vertical option concepts that we see when we watch the tape there, it is, it is, it is every offense out there. If you turn on the tape and you watch spread offenses,

there's a lot of concepts, excuse me, in ways that people run certain routes and the options they give receivers and quarterbacks to kind of freelance a little bit at times, goes back and stems from what Mike Leach started and what he's made popular. So yes, a man that has had that much success in places like, Texas Tech and Washington State and Mississippi State and won the games that he won. And then has changed and has touched, I would say 70% of offenses, if not more, right now in college football that have a little piece of what he does deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

I really disagree with this idea that Billis says air raid is a gimmick, but I don't know that I want the show to get taken over by that so we can have that conversation another day. Brum, I got a quick question. You know, I just had a kid. Sometimes life can feel like a bit of a fever dream with kind of the lack of sleep and everything. I don't know if we talked about it. Is there a report that Bobby Petrino's going to be the Texas A and MOC?

Is this happening? That is not, there was a report that that was going to happen. There is no, like, confirmation on that. Like, that has not been confirmed, but there was a report that was Monday. Like, I think it was last Monday. We did it last week, Eric. God.

I did. I'm sorry. We never talked about it. But what we talked about was the fact that for Christmas they should get Dan Mullen as their new OC, but we did not talk about the motorcycle. I think it happened over, I think it happened over the weekend. We never talk about motorcycle, man.

Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like, it's almost like A&M kind of saw Auburn and was like, okay. Okay. Okay. Let's see. Oh, I'll see your Hugh Fries and I'll raise you. Like at a time with, like you said, Texas feels kind of so exciting.

They're going to bring Bobby Petrino in as the crown jewel to attract those kids, man. I think that's wild. Anyway, let's get to the Peach Bowl as your Bulldogs. Going to be taken on the Ohio State Buckeyes. Just a beautiful chef's kiss of a one-four matchup. But here's the deal, Aaron. We all know that it's likely that Georgia dominates this game. At least the law of transitive sports properties maybe lean towards that.

But if you were to create a path for Ohio State, you who know this Georgia team so well, what does the path look like? Like when you lay your tiny little doggy head at bed at night and you're dreaming of chasing down cars and chewing on milk bones, what fears creep in to those dreams? Well, I think for them, and it's unfortunate, Henderson is now out for the game. He's going to have surgery. Trayvion Henderson, one of their top running backs.

I think this is a game where you want to do things, run the football and then be able to stop the run. And I say run the football. And people like, oh, well, they throw the ball so well, and that's CJ Stroud. And they got Marvin Harrison Jr. Why not attack Georgia who struggles against the past? You saw it first LSU. We saw it last year, first Alabama. but you have to be able to set that up.

The problem is if you can't run the football and Georgia just plays too high and keeps Chris Smith back and Starks back and is able to essentially give some support to Keeley and to Kami Lassar and the outside, it's going to be tough. It is not easy. As a former quarterback,

it is not easy to throw the football versus cover two. It sucks. There's not a lot of holes out there. When it's covered two and there's a six-man box, what do you want to do? They want to run the football. You want to invite a safety to have to come into the box. So for Ohio State, the goal shouldn't be, let's go out there and start throwing the ball down the field.

And let's go out there and attack these corners and throwing go balls and post routes and corners and all that. Yes, you want to eventually do that. But just like any good offense, you have to set it up. You have to find a way to get the safety in the box. You have to find a way to get one-on-one coverage. So I think for Ohio State, it's can we run the football? And like I said, it's a massive loss knowing that one of your top running backs would not be in this game. I think that really hurts their chances of having consistent success against this defense.

If you're going to be one dimensional against Georgia, I don't care if it's pass or run, you're going to have issues. So run the football, run the football, run the football, find a way to get some one-on-one opportunities. And then when you do get those opportunities, you know, like I said before the LSU game, you got to take your shot. You can't be afraid if you, as soon as you get anywhere near the 50 to just dial it up. If you say, okay, man, I'm kind of feeling that that Kirby Smart's going to dial up some sort of pressure or single high coverage.

We're just going to go for it. We're going to say, if it, we're going balls to the wall. You got to take the chance. Yeah, Garrett Nussmey. Sorry. Like, there's, we got to take our shots. And then on the defense side of the football, it's simple. It's obviously easier said than done.

But, you know, you got to stop Brock Bowers. Stop Brock. Stop, Brock. Stop Darnell. and forced Stetson to win the football game by throwing to A.D. Mitchell and Ladd. McConkey. And then same thing. I talk about like, can you run the football? Can you also stop the run? They did a great job in the first half, first Michigan, you know, kind of left their guys on the aisle on the back end and that hurt them. But they've shown the ability here or there to slow down a running game. Can you put the game into Stetson's hands?

Can you force Stetson to go out there and be the milkman, the mailman, whatever you want to call them? be a Heisman finalist type football player. That's what I would do. I would still say, okay, if we're going to lose the game, we're going to force Stets in the throw for three or four touchdowns, and then we're going to find a way to run the football on our side as well. What up, y'all? T. Bob here inviting you to start the NFL week off the correct way

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Obviously, you've got to find a way to sell the tight ends. But I think, though, a great mistake that Ohio State made against Michigan was even though they gave up the big plays to McCart. It kind of caused him to them to start playing more coverage and the run game started hit. Like I think Ohio State should have said, F it and just kept going one-on-one. You're like, okay, I'm going to make McCarthy keep doing this. I'm going to make him keep hitting big plays of me throughout this game. The problem is George is probably a bit better.

But like I trust Stetson way more in that situation to win that game. Cody Burnay says LSU had like 40 rushing yards and threw for 500. They didn't set up anything. I guess the easy counter argument there, Cody would be. be, but they lost by 20. Yeah. So you put up numbers, but contextually, yeah, contextually they were empty numbers where I don't mind if you're putting up stats, if you're not going to actually have a chance of winning the games.

Return of the Jedi Rusty Spooner says, let's go Buckeyes. Georgia thinks they got this in the bag, L.MFAO. Last time my Buckeyes ranked number four, we won the National Championship. Marveson Harrison, Jr. and Smith are going to give the 18. TL puppies a reality check. Ooh, Aaron Murray sounds like you're hoping to get them. You're going to get them claws trimmed dog. Yeah.

You know what I am hoping if I'm an Ohio State player, I'm hoping for a good turnout. I think that's still the one thing that still amazes me. When I go back and think about the SEC championship game, it was 80 to 20. It was 90 to 10. How does that amaze you? And what world does that amaze you?

Why should the poorest citizen of the, one of the poorest states in the country? Louisiana spend their hard-earned money watching that shit show that was about to happen. Like LSU did not stand a chance in that game. No, T-Bob, it was competitive. It was competitive early. They look good at times. And you can't tell me as a player when you go into a supposed neutral sighting, yes,

you understand heading in like, okay, we're in the state of Georgia. It's not neutral. More Georgia fans. Okay, I'm explaining my point. It's going to be more Georgia fans, but it shouldn't be 80 to 20. It shouldn't be 90 to 10 red and black, essentially owning the stadium and it feeling like it was a game played in Sanford, not in Mercedes-Benz Stadium.

First off, Atlanta is Sanford for Georgia. You can drive there. I mean, Athens is an hour away. Secondly, I would have been interested to see where the numbers had been, had LSU come out and kicked A&M's ass, right? But make no mistake. This is why the A&M game mattered so much to LSD, completely deflated fan base.

took away any playoff hope, like it felt just shitty. It made you realize, okay, no, we don't have a chance against Georgia. So I'm not surprised at all by that. Like Ohio State should show up much better. Ohio State fans, even though again, they're at a huge geographic disadvantage, though it's a four seat. I think that's, you know, well deserved. Ohio State fans should show up and travel better than LSU fans did.

You would hope so. But like we talked about it. Like what would you rather go to if you're an LSU fan? Would you really go to an SCE championship game, a chance to support your team? team maybe get a banner. I mean, let's not forget, like, you think like, oh, I'd rather go to this Jitris Bowl.

They go to Orlando, dude, but I love theme parks. So I'm not the right person. I get, I get the fact that that you lost A&M and the wind was knocked out of your sales, but you still beat Alabama. So like, if it was good enough to beat Alabama and that, in that, in that, in that adrenaline in the stadium and the excitement around LSU football and, and in, and the belief in Brian Kelly and what you're building. why would you not give them an opportunity versus Georgia?

If you still put Alabama and Georgia on the same pedestal, why would you not give them an opportunity versus UGA and at least show up to the game and make it a little bit more of a, hey, man, we're here to support our boys. Like, it was depressing. I'm a senior player. I've literally depressed, like at that stadium.

You have sidetracked this conversation. But Alabama and Georgia are not on the same level this year. Not this year. They are overall program. but they're not on the same level this year. Like Alabama. What's a bigger win? What's a bigger win?

What would Alabama with LSU fans not saying? Oh, they would definitely choose. Yes, I'm going to. Choose Alabama. I'm not saying it won this for an SEC championship game, but you would choose Alabama. Like that to me, that's a bigger win for them. So, but this goes, this, it will circle back. Like, this does go back to the fact that what do Ohio State fans feel right now?

Like, we got our butts walk by Michigan. Georgia beat the living crap out of Michigan last year. And yes, it's a new season, but we do view Georgia as the better version of Michigan. Do we want to waste our hard earned money to go down to Atlanta? We don't have one of our best receivers. We don't have one of our best running backs. Our defense isn't as good as we thought it would be. Why do we want to go down to Atlanta to go witness a massacre there in Mercedes-Benz Stadium?

No, no, no, no, no, no. What's a difference? What's a difference? Go look at Jedi. Go look at our boy, Jedi Rusty Spoon. in the chat. He doesn't feel that way. He says Tommy Eikenberg's about to show you what our linebackers are really like. Like Ohio State fans don't think they're bad. Ohio State fans think they just had a bad day against Michigan. Ohio State fans have lost like

five games in like five years. They have NFL talent all over the field. They are as talented or you know, 1A, 1B maybe with Georgia in terms of NFL talent. So I don't think the similarities between where the LSU fan-based confidence was and the Ohio State fan-based confidence was is similar at all. Ohio State fans feel like they had one that they feel like they belonged in the playoff. They didn't get lucky to make the playoff. Ohio State fans feel like this is their birthright. And now that they got back in that they're about to make a run and win a national championship, a la the last time that they got in as the four-seat.

So I think Ohio State fans will travel well. Unfortunately, all the fans in the world probably doesn't prepare you for beating a UGAT. team that has proven to be all but unbeatable when they give you, when they fully focus their eye. What do you take it right now? So Georgia at the moment's a six and a half point favorite. I would kind of lean towards Georgia with the points here. Six and a half is not as big as I thought that would be.

I wouldn't either. I find it so hard to trust Ryan Day. I mean, in a game like this where a hostage may be a better matchup because of their skill positions and NFL talent is going to be. relatively equal. Like there's a bunch of NFL guys on that Ohio State O line to try to block Jalen Carter and company. Like I should take Ohio State with a six and a half, but I just don't know if I trust

Ryan Day in big games. Yeah. I trust. I trust Kirby and that defensive staff with more time to prepare to get ready to slow down that offense, especially without the running game, especially with, you know, your top receiver not coming back. to me when I look at it so that that's a six and a half point spread tCU michigan's a seven and a half point spread i think that game's going to be closer of a football game i think tCU is

good enough to win that football game i really do the more that i've gone back and watched tcc you this year the more that i've gone back and watch michigan uh i think that is a extremely competitive four-quarter football game and if you tell me that's a four-quarter game and and and it's a close game i think tc u has the ability to win that football game as well i don't think Ohio State has a shot to beat Georgia. I really don't. I just gave every, you know, all the reasons why or what Ohio State needs to do in order to win. I don't think that happens.

I don't think they find a way to run the football. I think Jalen Carter and that defense will stop them. Once again, I think they're going to be, have enough success on first and second down to play a little bit more too high safeties and then still be able to get after CJ Stroud. And then on the other side, I think Georgia will be able to run the football against this offense and our defense for Ohio State. I think they will be able to, they're just, they're better. Just straight up. Georgia's the better football team. I think TCU with their improvements on defense,

and I think with Dugan and the receiver and all that, I think I still don't know how good Michigan is. They look great for Ohio State. I get that. But I just have seen too many instances this year where I'm like, I don't trust J.J. McCarthy still. I do not trust J.J. No, I agree.

I agree that. And last thing I'll say, because we've got to move on in Tennessee, Bilbo back and say, Ohio State played their playoff game against Michigan. Got exposed. Again, y'all, like, I loved doing the Michigan, Ohio State Postgame show. It was fascinating.

We do have to remember this was a one-game sample size. Like we're making a lot of decorative statements over one-game sample size. And it gets it, it's all we have to draw on. And Michigan and Georgia are similar in styles. But also, it means that all Ohio State has worked on since that game is how does this not happen again? Which would also, in theory, prepare them maybe for Georgia, though. George's offense is something completely different than Michigan. Andy Jay says thoughts on a bowl game in Mexico like the Patron classic we need more vacation destination bowls and get rid of the Birmingham bowls.

I don't think you need to get rid of Birmingham bowls. I love a good small town bowl, but I mean, I love tequila. I love Ms. Cal. I love Mexican beaches. I love margaritas. I love Mexican cuisine. I love Mexican men. I love Mexican women. I love everything about Mexico. So you don't have to tell me twice. I would absolutely go insane for a Mexican bowl. game. It would be awesome. These things are self-thead. Let's do Tennessee. Will Tennessee be a one-hit wonder? That is the question. As Jalen Hyatt, the reigning Blitnikoff winner has declared for the NFL, he will skip the ball-may game. That means Tillman's out, hookers out. They're all gone. At the beginning of this conversation, Aaron, first off, what is the baseline? Let's say a baseline. What is success now for Tennessee coming off of a 10-win year? Like, like, what is it

What are expectations? Like this was a good year? I think they are at a point. I think a lot of fans will say this, I think nine. I think they, nine and three. I have completely agree. I think nine and three is the worst that Hypo can do without stirring the pot and getting

fans pissed off. I think I think that's where they are. You know, you win seven games last year. You jump to 10 this year. I wish Hyatt was playing. I think they're going to beat Clemson. I think they're,

I think they still will, You know, Clemson's also having a couple guys on the defensive line opt out of this game. I think they win. I think they do get to 11 wins. But I think nine is now the bottom. Like, you have to win at least nine games per year. And I do think they're talented enough to do it. You know, I call me crazy.

You know, I watched every game from Joe Milton a year ago when he was a starter before he took over. He was wildly erratic with the football. Couldn't hit guys down the field that were wide open. I go back to that Pittsburgh game. but what he's done this season when he's coming there in trash time and what he looked like last week has been really impressive and the more you talk to the staff they just can't rave enough about how much he has matured as a quarterback this season with with henan as being that guy in the locker room their roommate so i do think you will see a much improved joe milton next season they got a top

quarterback coming in from the state of california they got another good quarterback tavia and jacks on the roster already. So as we know in this offense with what Hypo does, if you have a quarterback, you're going to have success. You can get receivers. This offense will attract top receivers from across the country. They will be able to handpick guys from the portal and say, okay, we need, you want to go win. They just won their receiver Jayla, just won the award for best receiver in the country. That goes a long way in this offense. I get to go to Tennessee. I get to go make a ton of money. Their collective is doing a great job. They're paying that quarterback $8 million over four years. Like you know they got money to spend. I get to play in the SEC. I get to play in this

offense and I have a chance to get stupid numbers like Jayland just produced this season. So like I said, I think as long as you have a quarterback, which they're stockpiling quarterbacks right now, as long as you have a guy back there, receivers will come and the offense will continue to excel. And if your offense is scoring 40, 50 points per game, you're going to win nine plus games per season. So have ultimate faith in what Heifel's building right now. I agree. On all counts, really, it's funny because you're almost like you did. It's almost like you read my notes, but I know you didn't because you don't even have access to them. And you went to anyway, even if you did. But yeah, he mobilized a fan base that already has

cultish buy and they got money to spend. Neal and Stadium's one of the best environments in all of college football. And although like Tennessee as a state doesn't produce a ton of talent geographically, they're close enough to everything where they can go grab guys. And they're pretty alluring. Like, you want to throw deep balls? You want to have big plays? Because big touchdowns, you want to play in front of $100,000 to make some money. Tennessee is there.

Look at the current recruiting rankings. They're nine in the 247 composite right now. And look, I don't care about individual recruits because they go boom or bust all the time. But on the macro, recruiting rankings matter. It's one of the reasons why I'm so down on Tennessee and Oklahoma. is that even despite having years in, excuse me, Texas and Oklahoma, is despite having years and years of good team rankings, they have underperformed relative to their talent

in a Big 12 conference that does not have nearly as much talent as they have. Tennessee, on the other hand, has overperformed under Heppel. So what happens in when you give him better talent? That ceiling has to go up. And if you want to know why the SEC is so good, if you count Oklahoma and Texas in there right now, Tennessee's ninth in the country, sixth in the SEC,

fourth without that without counting. They're recruiting well too. You want to talk about Yeah, that's what I mean. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Number nine. Yes. It's going great. And look, I think a high bull creates schematic advantages

like you said that can carry over to multiple generations of personnel. And sure, maybe Hooker is like a peak and you've got to go through a bit of a valley before you hit on that quarterback again. But I don't think the Valley will be that low. I think hypo systems has still kind of raised the floor. And the Nicholas, I'm like he's had. I don't know if I'm pronounced. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Look at every quarterback he's had.

Like, yes, Hennon may be the best. I mean, go back to like what Dylan Gabriel was doing there at UCF. Like his offensive system, and I'm, once I'm not taking anything away from the play of Hennon Hooker or, or Dylan Gabriel, but there are certain systems that are just extremely quarterback friendly, um, that you know you're going to have success and put up crazy stats. And this is just one of them. Is this an offense? Is this a football team that can win championships? I don't know, but is it an offense just like Lincoln Riley that runs at USC? That bodes well if you want to go win a national, or not win a Hizman, when individual

awards to put up crazy numbers? Yes. So what does that do that's going to attract top talent across the country to come to Knoxville? I'm excited to see what Joe Milton can do. In an era where it's so easy to just dart and in an age where it's, It's like, okay, I lost my starting job. I'm going to be a little salty bitch and leave. He did it.

He stayed. I know you love when I say that. He stayed. It makes me so happy every time. And it makes me happy that Joe Milton stayed, matured, waited his turnout, and is a better person and a better quarterback at the end of day for it. Got to go, boys. Hey, well, okay, Brum, you know, I'm getting there.

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