The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - Ohio State beats Penn State, Alabama COMEBACK vs. Tennessee + Are Caleb Williams & USC dead?

Episode Date: October 22, 2023

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert react to the best games of the Week 8 slate. The guys react to Ohio State beating Penn State in a game where both defenses looked really good, with Marvin Harrison Jr. being the difference maker. Nick Saban and Alabama came back from being down 20-7 at half time to beat Tennessee 34-20, and USC dropped its second consecutive game, this time to Utah by a 34-32 score. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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terms and responsible gaming resources. Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome in to another Sunday edition of snaps. As you can see, I'm back in the Millennium Falcon, which means it's early. It's Sunday. And we're here. talk some college football. Aaron Murray, Teabobah, Bear.

Aaron, what's up, Doug? How you doing today? Man, doing great. Another awesome Saturday of college football. A lot to break down. Play-up picture, getting a little bit clearer, so excited to jump into some of these games with you. Start with the big one.

For the first time all year, we are finally watching Big Ten football. Well, actually, hold on. Before you get into the game itself, I do want to start with kind of a general thought that'll be a theme throughout the show. Yesterday was a classic college football day. survive in advance.

Okay? Yes. It's college football. You have students, young men, right? And that comes with volatility. That comes with unexpected,

poor performances, unexpected, great performances. And as you're going to see, it's going to be littered throughout the show. But let's be clear about this in front. That's how you separate champions, okay?

Who survives those games where you get into a dog fight with somebody that you should beat the hell out of? But all of a sudden, you find yourself in a fight. Who survives? That's who maybe ends up when you. conference championships goes to playoffs and maybe even national championship. And I'll say this, see, but we don't have, we don't know if we don't have an elite team.

I think there's, if there's going to be an elite team this year, like the Georgia's or an LSU or an Alabama, like of years past, we're like, you clearly knew like that was a national championship team. Like that was the team that was most likely going to win it. And they just kind of rolled through their schedule. That would be Michigan. But we still don't know 100% yet because they haven't faced someone up to their caliber of of athlete to this point in the season,

but you kind of have the feeling deep downside. Like we kind of know that Michigan is the most dominant team right now in college football. They've been able to handle their business through the first, you know, over half the season at this point right now. Everyone else is in that mode, though, like Florida State, Georgia, Alabama, Washington,

even older than it's all at this point survive in advance because it's the parody of this year. It's as exciting as a fan. But we're not, we're just not seeing a team right now. There's not an elite team in college football besides possibly Michigan. Yeah, like you said, possibly Michigan. And after Ohio State, Penn State, probably feeling a little better about Michigan, so let's get into it. So for the first time this year, the Big Ten gets to get mentioned on the Sunday recap show because it played a game worth mentioning.

Ohio State, Penn State in the shoe, beautiful environment. Ohio State fans are going crazy. A defensive battle. And I want to be clear about this. I was getting a lot of text during the game. These teams are so bad, blah, blah. And I'm like, I disagree. These teams are not bad.

The thing is the defenses are elite and the quarterbacks are not. And that's a recipe for football that maybe feels bad, but isn't when you actually look at it. Right. Like, yeah, was there a lot of office success in this game? No. But I was, I mean, look, as someone who's had to suffer through this LSU defense this year, was blown away by how tight the man coverage was, the skill of the pass rush, the speed of linebackers when filling the hole or closing gaps.

Like, let's be clear, these defenses are awesome and they should be celebrated. That said, Aaron, at the end of the day, it is so unreal obvious. And what the difference in this game was, and it was Marvin Harrison Jr. It's having that elite weapon. Because like we said, if you're going against elite defense and you're, you do not have an elite quarterback, you are not going to be able to overcome if you don't have a receiver that can separate.

Penn State did not. Aller had nowhere to go with the ball all night long, whereas Kyle McCourt, even when he missed some wide over throws as well, right? Because again, not elite quarterback, but Marvin Harrison, Harrison, Jr., whether it was drawing big penalties or making the actual catch,

he clearly, just so clearly proves the value of wide receiver in modern football, which you can speak to, and he wins him this game. And that was my big concern heading into the game was how was Penn State going to move the football? Because the rushing numbers, we discussed a little bit last week, were a lie. Like they've been able to get some, some good yardage.

I didn't, I didn't fully understand that. But you've been on this for a while with Pence say. You watch the game and it's just a matter of, it's same thing. It goes to the scheduling. It hasn't been super efficient. It hasn't been sexy. It hasn't been like they were just popping off seven, eight, nine yards of a clip running the football. It's been difficult, but they just been relied on it and they run the ball so much and

they kind of get up on teams. They just keep running it and running and running. They were going to get a lot of rushing yards because of that. This was an offense that had been protecting Aller for the entire season. And they were good enough just to run it and get by. So if you're winning football games just running, like you're going to rush for 170 to 220, whatever it was. They're rushing averaging this season. But doesn't mean. mean that it was a rushing tech that would dominate on the road against an Ohio state. It doesn't mean it's going to be a rushing tech that's going to be able to move the ball against

Michigan. It was just a factor of we were better than them. And that's all we did. So the numbers were going to look good. That got exposed. And the fact that they don't have any elite receiver like you alluded to, T Bob, really showed its head. Yeah.

They don't trust those guys. It was run, run, run, getting to a third and long situation and in hope someone can win, man-on-man coverage, hope that Aller could, or Aller, excuse me, could be efficient throwing the football. He, I don't want to get into the discussion too much of, is he, is he better than Sean Clifford? Was it a mistake for Penn State fans to think that this guy was going to elevate this team to championship heights? Is it his fault? Not like, that's a whole other episode. He's not getting support. That's, that's where I'll just kind of, he's not getting the support. Like, I don't know if he's better or not. I really don't.

He may not be condemnation of Aller. Now, now clearly at this point in his career, I do think it's a step back from Clifford, but again, um, that was a, like, show me the quarterback that would have had success yesterday, right? Because the only guys that I feel good about are the elite ones. But like even, even, uh,

like you saw Michael Pinnock's Jr. and that Washington office show yesterday and they have elite receivers and they couldn't get anything going, right? So, like, like, Aaron, you can speak to this. To my fat man lineman eyes, it just didn't look like anything was open. They've been open all year. It was it's been like it covered the entire time. Like just nobody, no, nowhere to throw the ball. And give credit to Ohio State like this is a good defense.

It's a really good defense. This is a defensive football team this year, playing simple. Like that's, that's just who they are. That's their identity. And then you got Marvin Harrison Jr. as your receiver on the other end. So, like, give them credit for stepping up at home and playing really well. But you watch Penn State, go back and watch every single game this season.

There is a lack of explosiveness from the receiving. Aaron's been telling us. Aaron's been saying they don't have it. They just don't have it. They led the Big Ten and scoring coming into this game. So I'm like 43, 45 points a game. They're actually ahead of Ohio State. You called them false.

and they proved to be so. They're a tentative football team. They're still their tier below. And this was a year they were hoping that they would come to the dinner table with the big boys, get away from the kids' table. And it's not so. This team, they had not recruited. They try to go the Michigan route of trying to get physical and play great defense

and be able to dominate the line of scrimmage. they're the poor man's version of Michigan. They're not as dominant up front as Michigan is. They're not running the ball extremely well. And then you lack the playmakers on the outside. You're not going to win these type of ball games. And then Ohio State has made an effort these past two years to try and re-identify who they are and what they do.

Yeah. their second year coordinator is doing a hell of a job right now. Guys have bought in. They're able to get for the quarterback. They're able to play type man-to-man coverage. And you can still at times win with some offensive playmakers. Well, and let's talk about the game itself for a little bit because I think James Franklin comes off really soft in terms of the philosophy that he was setting right before half to be in the red zone. And on third and six to run it instead of trying to get the first down, instead of trying to score and go win.

the game to run it to make it 10 to 6. At that point, you knew Penn State was done. There's no killer instinct. There's no aggression. That was some pussy shit. I also think there were some massive swings in this game. We talk about Marvin Harrison Jr. Again, I think he said a career high for catches,

but probably his biggest play the game wasn't a catch. It was drawing that holding penalty. When Penn State could not score, the exact force, fumble, scoop and score, just an awesome defensive play. but but Harrison had drawn the holding it right before. And then in terms of like having opportunity, the sequence of events late blew my mind where Ohio State gets down to the goal line.

Looks like they're about to go up 11, which at that point might as well have been a million, right? Penn State comes up with a huge fourth down stop. Offense goes out. What do they do? Three and out. Well, shit. They punt it.

Ohio State fumbles the punt. Penn State gets the ball back at midfield. Still can't do anything with it. So just a complete failure offensively for the offense that was leading the big ten points. And a validation of everything. Aaron's been telling you for weeks now. This is a paper tiger or a paper lion in this case. Their offense very well represented by their emaciated, flaccid lion mascot that they love so much.

That basically was the Penn State offense. But I would be furious, though, if I was a fan with that right. before half play called like it just so fucking soft dude no aggression no killer instinct well it's no trust i think you can say what you want about it you have to understand who your playmakers are and and where the strength of your team is this is still a team for for for Penn state your only two offensive weapons are your running backs singleton and and Allen like that's all you got it's been like that old year so like you were never remember you were so clear early on you weren't going to win in that way and so you had to be willing to try different things

things and they were not. They just thought they were going to stick with it. Third and six. Once again, like, I know it and I'm an outsider and I know it. And I think Franklin has a better pulse of his team than I do and knows the identity of his offense. They don't have the guys that can one on one on one.

So like red zone situations are about less schematics, more players. How can I get my best players in a situation where maybe they can execute? I don't trust my quarterback. I don't trust my receivers. So why in a red zone situation am I going to put the, put the game in their hands. Maybe my running backs can make a guy miss.

Even if things aren't going well, they're still my best playmakers on offense. Yeah, I mean, it's, so Ohio State wins the first big one, the first battle of the triumbrate of the Big Ten. And then final thought, just real quick here, to me, the real winner felt like Michigan

because J.J. McCarthy clearly is leaps and bounds ahead of McCord and head of Aller. And it feels like, you know, Michigan should win the Big Ten again. Speaking of Red Zone, Tennessee struggled in the Red Zone early on, found a little bit of success there, but ends up costing them as Tennessee goes into Tuscaloosa. They're of 20 to seven and half. I mean, remember the whole, the whole deal was, you know, can the explosively,

can the explosivity of Milro overcome the advantage that Tennessee has in the trenches, which I think is actually like after watching this game, Aaron, I think we nailed it in terms of the dynamics because that was the push pull. First half, Tennessee's dominance in the trenches was winning the game. They're shutting down offensively. They're able to move the wall offensively. Second half, it's exactly what we said. The explosivity of Alabama ends up taking over and it outshines whatever.

I mean, it's exactly like they were beating them like Texas was be them only they didn't have the big playability to bury them like Texas did. Well, and then the inability to score in the red zone. I mean, it could have easily been 21 nothing at one point there in the first quarter. And maybe not the second drive, you know, there were some tight windows, but the third drive for the Joe Milton sails it over the tight ends head who is wide open in the corner route. Like that's a touchdown that you kind of, you're staying up at night.

I mean, there were so many mistakes. And I want to give credit to Alabama, man. Like this is a team that you kind of, I kind of like in the sense of like their personality of who they are, what their identity is because they're not these killers. Like it's hard to just hate Alabama this year because they're just, they are a fun team to watch because every game's exciting. And you watch Nick Sabin in the post game interview with Jenny Dell. And, you know, he's laughing and smiling and talking about chewing on a cigar. And then you go to Jalen Milrow in the interview. And, you know, I haven't been around Jalen.

and I've seen a couple interviews, but man, it's hard not to like that young man. Yeah, he was having fun in that post game yesterday. You can tell you. And everyone I've talked to, too. I talked to Dusty Jorchek last week who had their game previously. And he's like, man, we sat down with Jalen. And that is one impressive young man, good dude, hard not to cheer for him.

So like, this is a team like I'm not saying I'm rooting for Alabama. But they are a lot. They are a lot more likable this year. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay. You're right. They're likable because they're human. But let's not lose sight of the fact.

And at the end of the day, it's 90% four and five stars. This is not plucky little Alabama. What they are, they are, it's very appropriate for this month of October, this Halloween season. They are very human. In some ways, in other ways, they are the bad guy from the scary movie. They are Michael Myers, there, Jason, and that you have to fucking kill them.

And you have to make sure that they're dead because they keep coming back. Like, like, like, whether it's, Ole Miss, A&M, or Tennessee, every single time we've seen the first half hole get deeper only for Alabama to come out in the second half and just look like a completely different. I know. We're not even talking, it's crazy because like we're not even talking about just playing better the second half. We're talking about just like going from kind of sucking to complete dominance. And like what they did to Tennessee and that's after going down 27, the flow of that first

to come out and end the game like they did yesterday. It's, I mean, I don't know. Half-time adjustments are like kind of real and speeches and everything. You know, but like it normally doesn't do that. So I said this on rivals the other day. I feel like the Jalen Milro makeup sex is undefeated. Like he's going to cause you to get a little frustrated. You may pull your hair out.

You may get a little upset. but a man's going to make you forget about it all by the end. And you're just going to be sitting back smoking a cigarette or in this case, cigar and just like, what was I mad at him for? I don't remember anymore. Yeah. Listen, he was, he showed me some stuff this weekend throwing the football, some of the stuff over the middle.

Definitely, you saw late in the game. I think it was like third, fourth quarter. A couple of balls sailed on him to receivers. But there are baby steps moving in the right direction, especially taking care of the football. The one interception, it gave your guy a 50, 50 shot in the back to the end zone. It was a great defensive play. Great defensive play.

Like I'm not even really mad at him for that. To me, where the game changed really was obviously the first possession of the second half, like being able to go down there and score in two plays. Explosivity. Explosivity. Everything you talk about all year. People always laugh at me, but the most dangerous lead in football is up two touchdowns. I mean, 13 points, 14 points.

Wait, are you know that that's like a soccer thing as well, right? People say the most dangerous. and Savers 2-0? Yes. Okay. Because as soon as the other team, you're feeling good until the other team scores and then you get into oh shit mode. Yeah, true.

Because you're like, oh, God, we feel like we had control this football game. We've been dominating. We're up. We scored before halftime. You know, we just got 30 minutes to play and we're up to scores. Like, it's our game. Damn it. Our defense is kicking butt.

And all of a sudden, they score. And you start looking around like, oh, damn. Like if we give them the ball back, they could score or take the lead off the side. It's like you start thinking about that. It's it's human nature. You're high, you're high, you're high, you're high. And then bam, in two seconds or for this case, two plays, Tennessee gets docked down to reality of we're on the road. It was such a shitty feeling.

Oh, damn. Like they're about the, they could win. They could take the lead in two plays all of a sudden. So the hundred thousand of Bryant, didn't he come alive at that point? Like you just have like, and it's a pent up. It's a pent up energy that the crowd releases at that point because the whole, for. half has just been anger and frustration and everybody's bitching in line where they're going to get their hot dogs and their their fucking senatorial suits.

So that's one. So that was one. And then two, the ability to run the ball in the second half, I thought for Alabama. And don't. So if you miss the game, you know, go back and rewatch it, obviously. But you look at Jaylon Milleros stat line. Nine carries for three yards. You have to remember sack yards go against the quarterback or go against rushing yards,

which is just idiotic. He ran the ball a little bit more there in the second half. And that's a part of the game that he's going to need to do more, especially versus LSU here in a couple weeks. I thought that opened up the game a little bit. Obviously, McClellan had a good game over 100 yards. That's what Alabama needs to do. Take care of the football, run it, get Jalen's legs involved,

hit a couple of explosives. Jermaine Byrne has been just, besides stomping on people, has been absolutely dominant here the past few weeks. People got mad about him kicking that dude in the end zone. I don't know, dude. I kind of liked it, but whatever. I think y'all are all bitches. What?

You didn't like it? Fuck that dude. It's just a guy. It's his personality, man. He's a little bit of a punk. He's a little bit of a punk. I know. That seems to be what my Alabama friends were saying as well as how they feel about him.

Hey, Jermaine Burden, I got your fucking back dude. Fuck that dude. He's trying to guard you. You score a big touchdown. I kick his ass too. Yeah. Big win. That's a massive win, man.

It's a big win. and LSU, Alabama's coming down those tracks. Once again, here we go. We arrive at the battle

that I hope when we go to nine SEC games that they keep alive year to year, but we'll see if they do. Scary day for the Big 12 yesterday, Aaron Murray,

as the two heavyweights, both Texas and OU got all they wanted. a questionable spot at the end of the Texas game kills a late drive from Houston to it was 24, 24, Texas makes 31, 24, and then Houston, I mean, this is really bad on the Texas defense to me. Houston with like when it was 31, 84, I'm like, okay, okay, Texas survived. Like, that's it. But no, Houston goes all the way down easily in the Texan, in the Red Zone, right there.

They get a bad spot. They don't have not given before the one game over. And then Oklahoma in similar fashion goes up eight late. And you're kind of like, oh, okay, okay. You know, Oklahoma, wow, this is crazy. But, you know, okay, they survive. They're good. But no, they allow UCF to go march right down and score a touchdown.

And they're a two point conversion away. So look, but like I said, I'm not, I'm not going to be one of the people that takes any. Now, we'll probably ding them in our snaps top 10. But, you know, that's what we're, it just makes sense. But I'm not someone who's going to be overly critical of this, simply because, again, it is survive in advance time. All that matters is winning. They found ways to do so. We know how good these teams can be at their peak.

And this is just a day where they didn't have it, but they found a way to win anyway. No, 100% they found a way to win. I mean, a little bit concerned with Texas defensively. And listen, Texas is strength is the front seven. Like, we knew that there's some vulnerability on the back end. Oklahoma showed that to us a couple weeks ago. And, you know, Donovan Smith, besides that last pass, like, yeah, the, the spot was very iffy, no doubt about it. But still, it's a rollout and the guy's wide open the flat and you throw it pretty much in the dirt behind them.

I mean, that should have been a catch completion. And he's sent a chance to put that game in overtime. It would have been interesting to see if they scored a touchdown if they even went for two. And just said, you know, let's just go for the win. So, like, they didn't make the plays down the stretch. They didn't make the play there to put the game in a situation to possibly win. Texas found a way. Obviously, the big news is going to be Quinn yours.

You know, he'd be 30 long situation. He tried to take it on a defender, lowered his left shoulder, got knocked out for the remainder of the game. Malik Murphy comes in. So, like, I'm sure we'll hear at some point today. We're filming this early Sunday morning, you know, today or tomorrow, like what the extent of that injury is for him. But, you know, defensively, this is a team that has to be better on defense. been a sling at the end of the game for whatever that's worth. Not a, I don't think it's like a, he's called in his shoulder injuries,

not like a broken collarbone or anything. So left at least. So left at least. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So we will, we will see. But their schedule lines up nicely. I mean, BYU, Kansas State, TCU, Iowa State, Texas Tech.

But, I mean, if he's out, it, I know a lot of people are talking about Malik Murphy this off season, you're not excited. You say lines up nicely. right, but this is what gets to, has gotten Texas into trouble in the past. But the games like this also got Texas in trouble in the past. Like they're, they're actually winning them. I mean,

true. Between Wyoming to this game, there's been a couple instances where it's like, okay, like if this was old Texas, they would have found a way to lose that game. Yeah. New Texas, even without your starting quarterback, you found ways to still win the game in the fourth quarter. Like, that's a difference for me.

I did not get to watch the Oklahoma UCF game as much as I wanted to. I'm going to go back and watch it, obviously, before this week of shows. But did you get big eyeballs on it? Like I saw the end sequences right, and I saw Oklahoma score to go up, and then UCF2 score to go up. But I can't really speak to the game flow in terms of how that was so close. No, we can hit on that a little bit tomorrow. That was during my game, and I was mostly trying to watch Ohio State Penn State while I was calling me.

As Aaron's calling an actual game, would shout out Memphis getting it done. I can watch one game as I'm calling my game, not two. That would be major malpractice. USC, you know, the song remains the same for the Trojans. I mean, what Alex Grinch is doing at this point is malpractice. that is a Utah offense that was shit. That is shit without cam rising and has been shit all year long. And yet, what do you know, they square up against USC,

they bloody him up, punch him in the mouth, and they once again beat the Trojans. Is Caleb Williams now 0 and 3 against Utah, USC? Oh, and 3. No touchdown last night. They say it's hard to meet a good team twice. What about a good team thrice? because that's exactly what Utah's day.

Dude, they gave up 247 yards rushing. Bryson Barnes threw for 235 yards and three touchdowns. Bryson Barnes to repeat it by Bryson Barnes. Bryson Barnes game log here to really reinforce how bad that is on that, on that USC's defense front. I'll tell you. I mean, he was 159, 6 of 19. versus Baylor 71, 5 of 8, 40 yards versus Oregon State, 15, 21, 128 versus Cal.

And then versus U.S. No touchdowns in any of those games. No, one touchdown for one. Yeah, but it was the first play they, remember it was the first play in the season? Yeah. So he didn't have a C in the touch of the first play of the season, then a single touchdown until SC. Yeah.

And then this past game, you know, throws for 235 yards and three touchdowns. And then you had the massive run. and had the massive run there in the fourth quarter to get them into field goal range to end up winning the football game. 10 yards per attempt to Aaron. His other YPAs, 8.8, 3.7, 5.06.1, 10.2. How the fuck is USC this bad defensively? Like, when you have such a clear deficiency and you have an entire offseason to work at it, and it is the air of the transfer portal

and you have all this stuff, how are you not better? Well, they got the transfers. No, I know. That's what I know in town stretch. I know what I'm saying is like,

I am someone who defends Lincoln Riley a lot as being an elite coach. And I'm not so sure that I can call you that anymore when you had such a clear area where you need to get better and you're still shit. Yeah. Like I, and it's a little local because I cover LSU in so much depth, but like Jane and Daniels. he had such a clear area where he needed to improve after last season, right?

They weren't explosive. He wasn't pushing the ball down field. It was all too underneath. He was too conservative. And Brian Kelly said this week, the Jaden Daniels, they had to change the rules because he would be in the building at like 5 a.m. to like 8 p.m.

He's constantly watching film. There's a six-month plan about to help. Like he did the work and now look at him. Like he had a clear area to prove now look at what he's doing. USC had such a highlighted, if you can fix this, you can be a championship caliber team and they didn't do shit.

They still are all. They tried. I mean, listen, they brought in the personnel. Like there's, there's no doubt in my mind, the personnel from last year to this year is better. So what does it come down to?

It comes down to putting those guys in the right situation. They go out there and play fast. But of being able to teach your scheme in a way that those guys can go out there and execute at a high level. and that has just not been done. Like, you have to look at the root of the cause. And right now it's coaching. No doubt about it.

Like, I don't know if he survives the rest of the season, but if you bring back Alex Grinch next year. No, that didn't happen. You can't happen. It's done. To me, this was a final straw to let a Utah team with their backup quarterback, an offense that has been done.

By the way, announced that Cam Rising not going to play the season as well, which we kind of intimated this week on snaps. Give him the essentially redshirt year and medical redshirt year, bring him back next year. Man, I love Kyle winning him, though. Yeah,

let's talk about Utah. Every time I see him, every time I see him, I'm just like, that's a football coach. Like, that's a football dude right there. And we just,

I think it's me too, honestly. Like, I look at Utah and I don't see big brand of, of the Washington's and the Oregon's and the USC's and the UCLA's and the UCLA's of the world. I'm just like, yeah,

it's just Utah. Only the back-to-back Pac-12 championship team. They're six and one. They play great defense. They're physical. They play football the right way. Yeah.

And they found a way to get to six and one in a very good conference with backup quarterback play. Yeah. So it's, man, he's, and playing Florida to race. Hell of a coach.

And so I still don't think, Utah is going to win the Pac-12, but you know, they control their own destiny. They're still right there. They're not eliminated from anything. The Oregon State lost spurt. But yeah, they got Oregon, Arizona State, they got Washington, Arizona, Colorado.

I mean, they'll win all those games. Yeah, I mean, obviously Oregon, Washington's a big if there. But still, whatever. Kyle Winham's a beast. What he's created, Utah, and it's not just not having Cam Rising. We were talking a couple weeks ago. I think they were down

16 players in the two deep. 16. Guys, there's only 22 starters in football. And yet they've built such a culture there. They're still winning. We do have to go here in a minute, but real, real quick.

UNC, man. UNC. This is we talk about survive in advance. It's college football. You have a one in five Virginia team that's been hapless. You're undefeated. You've got a ton of big wins. You've been dominant in those wins as well.

Cover and spread. everything else. You're at home. Who the fuck saw this coming? And it ends up being a very heartwarming story. Michael Hollins is surviving the awful tragedy. They claim the lives of his teammate. He comes back and he scores three touchdowns from Virginia.

I love this game in a lot of ways because it does prove that like you always got to come correct in college football because you're only one sleepwalk away from losing. But what's crazy to me from a game flow standpoint, Aaron, like it wasn't fluky from Virginia. They didn't race out to a big lead and have to, like, hold on or anything. Like, UNC had multiple moments in that game where, like, when they go of 10 to start the second half, like, okay, here's where they pull away. Like, okay, here's where the feel good story comes to an end. And no, Virginia just did the work.

Kept Chivin'way, kept beating ass, and they end up with a massive win. But these are first top 10 wins. It's like 2005. My biggest takeaway, and we touched on this a little bit last week, was the fact that, that Drake May has not been Drake May of last year. And you can make the excuses of, you know, he lost some guys personnel wise and guys who's done. Do you think it's, do you think he's missing long ago?

Yeah, he's missing longer a little bit. But like his numbers have not been the same. And he's had a couple good games here. They're like, I'm not saying like the entire year has been a complete wash for Drake May. Like there have been moments where you're like, okay, there's the Drake May that we saw from last year. There's the guy that's a top five pick of the NFL draft. But then there's games like yesterday where he's just in the actual.

accurate with the football, indecisive, a little late. And so I think you can throw all that into. I still think he's a first round talent, no doubt about it. But it's just, well, he's not, I mean, he's huge, has a rocket arm, like it can run. Like, he's that, for sure. He's nowhere near playing as well. I know neither is Caleb Williams right now.

It's weird. Michael Pennock. He both of them come out yesterday. First, for such a great draft class to all the quarterbacks decided to come back for another year. It doesn't look like Caleb Williams is enjoying USC too much right now. I think that man is ready to go ply his trade in the NFL. And I'm sure Drake May is as well.

But yeah, all of a sudden, though, I was sitting down and watching, he's crazy. I'm watching a damn game on the CW. But we were one Florida State loss away from the ACC, who we've been praising this year. Yeah. From almost being out of it. We need to talk Florida State tomorrow because they deserve to talk about it. So does Duke. That was a great game.

It was a tough game. Awesome game. Awesome game. And a lot of great plays for both sides. Those are two damn good football teams. And I hate to do this for Duke fans. But like, if Texas A&M doesn't find a way to hire Mike Elko,

what the fuck are we even doing here? Like, what are they doing, dude? Like, like, and I feel bad. I hate playing the game of like as soon as a small school coach does well, then we're like,

ooh, where can he go and pluck him away? But like, he has the relationship. It just makes too much. He's had success at A&M as a DC. I get, it's just a, it's a big number for A&M overall. But I like him.

I'm with you. Like, if they won that game last night, I was, I was tweeting that, like, you may see Jimbo get fired tomorrow. And if he would have won that game. I think that if he won that game, that was, that would have been a talk today. Also, it's fun that we arrive here at a point where we're not even talking clips in Miami, right? Clemson, Miami goes to overtime, big battle. And apparently, a bit of a disaster for Clemson on that final play, Aaron, apparently it wasn't an RPO.

Kate Klubnick just pulled it because he felt like it. And the running back would have walked in, but it was, it shouldn't be a walk in, but it wasn't an RPO. He's made some questionable calls. He even gets Florida State in overtime. Dav it was very clear after the game that it was just Clubneck going rogue. I mean, Florida State, man, it's third and short in overtime. And I'll just run the football and pulls it, throws it,

incompletion, incompletion, they lose. Dabu also had a questionable joke about his team sports psychologist being on suicide watch, which I'm like, ooh, Debo, you got to read the room a little bit. That doesn't really play anymore if it ever did. But that's kind of a indicative of Daubo. Miami with a ball and empire stuck in the past. Backup quarterback for Miami wins five and two, Clemson, four and three. It's over.

2015 through 2020, Clemson was awesome, but it is so clearly over. And you got dabbo being snippy out here, like we needed a lot in the bandwagon a little bit. All right. Cool, man. Is this a six and six football team?

Six and six football team? Can I once again commend Aaron Murray? Because he told you, he told you which top 10 team was most likely to fall at the top 10? He said Clemson, all you Clemson fans got very upset with him and were in his mentions constantly and I'll be damned if my boy wasn't spot on

I mean I'll take those apologies whenever you want Clemson fans it would be nice because I have LSU fans up my ass because Washington had a bad day off Oh my God I'm so sick I woke up this morning I woke up this morning and because I didn't watch the Washington game I'm just like why don't I've got a million notifications like I was on my phone to probably Like I was on my phone until midnight

So I went to bed Like I'm tweeting up during the games So like all the games in my mind were over I wasn't going to watch that once I wasn't expecting like mentions when I woke up in the morning I wake up was like what the hell are all these mentions And I'm like LSU LSU

LSU I'm like oh my God People just don't understand what I was trying to say But whatever Yeah it doesn't matter I still look survive in advance Washington did USC did not

U.NC did not UNC did not. Texas Oklahoma did. Alabama did. I did. Penn State did not. Penn State.

Weird place to be if you're Penn State. We talk about purgatory, like, because they're really good. They're just not good enough. It's awful. It's like a relationship where you know you should be happy, but you're just not. And what do you do there? I don't know.

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