The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - The Blind Side was a lie + AP Preseason Poll reaction

Episode Date: August 15, 2023

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert react to the news that The Blind Side, a football movie which outlines Michael Oher’s life, is now a lie. Michael Oher was never adopted by Sean and Leigh Anne Tuohy, and they have profited off Michael and the movie for over a decade. The guys also discuss the AP preseason top 25 that was released earlier today, and debate if Alabama or LSU should be in the top 4 to start the season. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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QB1 record holder, Aaron Murray. What's up, Aaron? What's up? Happy Monday, everyone. Go like, subscribe, share. We are three weeks away, two weeks away, actually, from some football. Two and a half weeks away from my first game. So getting ready to go.

You have my homework over here so that I am more prepared than T-Bob. Excited to get back in a booth. Yeah. I will say this. Well, hmm. No, this is completely random. Brum, did the volume ever release our underdog thing? Is that,

is that come out yet? I'm not sure if the underdog thing came out. I cannot remember where I had one conversation or another. Do we talk about Chris Leak on this show? We talked about Chris Leak before one of the shows. We did not talk about during the show. Okay. Well, I'm just going to open today's show.

random manner for two minutes here and that is that Chris Leake is incredibly underrated and the reason why if fuck I kind of blew the delivery here I was giving my T-Bos slander that he's the most overrated player in history of college football bro who do you think Chris Lee who do you think who who is the most overrated player in the history hold on hold up don't do not do not cook my conversation here okay you do not you do not get to deep take my my my point here who do you all think is Florida now you know but who do you think Florida's all-time leading passer is yes yeah that's not surprising that's not surprising disney warful Tim Tebow all these other guys uh the fact that he's fifth all-time in terms of touchdowns with 88 tied with Tim Tebow won behind Peyton

he's third all-time in yardage career yardage free SEC he won a national championship Florida was like He was a former five star in high school. Like, and granted, the only reason I learned any of this, because I was looking up Aaron's record. So shout out Aaron, who's number one of the list.

But, uh, but I mean, why does, why do no Florida fans like, T, like Tim Tebow even took the credit for Chris Leaks championship. Yeah.

Speaking of, talking was a badger player. He was Taysam Hill. Yeah. And he, and he cucked Leaks championship. Shout out Chris Leak, man,

wherever you're at, dude. What is Chris Leak doing at? What is, wherever Chris Leak is, that right now. I will always remember Chris Leak for the ball being up here and his wrist being extremely cupped. Didn't they used to coach that though? A little bit. I know they coached the ball being up by your ear. Yeah, like this. But he was, he was extremely cupped with it. You went to say cockback

and you said cuffed back. Cocked, cut back. Coct, cutt, cutt, and he cucked it back. I don't know, Aaron, do you know what, oh, he was going to cock, but Aaron, do you know what a cuckold is? it's a sexual term I believe correct it is yes yeah it's when you like to watch somebody else have sex with your partner um so they're kind of you know it's your partner but they're having sex of the person and you're just watching maybe you're being like maybe you're just a you know you're just watching the sidelines maybe you're like getting involved and doing like real freaky stuff where you're kind of like being degraded you know maybe you're being you know verbally degraded like there's a there's different there's levels to everything like cam jordan tells

us. But so that's, that's when I say cuckled like Chris Leak, that national championship is his and yet here Tebow comes in just every now and then and all of a sudden everybody wants to give him credit for it because he did a jump pass. Can everyone listen to this show though? Please jump

in the comment section and just rip Brumley a new one for saying Tebow is the most overayed college football player of all time. I mean, yeah, Brum, I love that. That might be one of the worst takes I've ever said. And I love the heat. I love the heat. Go ahead and defend that. You heard that. You heard that. He won the He won the Heisman, they went 8 and 5.

So, you know, that's that game. That's crazy. Is that true? What about what was, what was, what was, what was, what was, um, Louisville when Lamar won? Lamar Jackson didn't consider one of the greatest college football players of all time. I'm just asking. Like what?

That's an irrelevant point. He won, he was part of two championships, one of Heisman. He was part of, you know, the ball boy was part of two championships too. Okay, no, no. You want a I don't think that's a straw man. Is that an ad hominit? No, it's not an ad hominous.

It's some sort of, okay, yes, there we go. That's what I was looking for. That is a red herring technique you just tried to use there. All I'm saying is the real person who are, the real people who are more successful, their national titles are Urban Meyer being ahead of the offense. Percy Harvin averaged 11 yards of touch at Florida and Aaron Hernandez. Brandon Spikes was a beast too.

And he was a dog. He was a dog. And the Pouncy brothers. I mean, they were great. Whatever. Urban Meyer recruiters ass off. Cannot wait to see Swamp Kings. That's not out yet.

Is it? Because that would be awkward if I say can't wait and then it's already out. I think next week I want to say. 22nd. Two weeks. Okay. There we go. Two weeks.

Okay. Let's go ahead and dive. Oh, I forgot to do it. Okay. So since, you know, now we're on AMP. shout out AMP, download it and get involved there, listen to the show live there. We're not on YouTube live anymore, but YouTube.com slash at volume samsills, all of our videos. We come to the comments, which is our favorite comment of each day.

I think this is in response to me saying that I don't think Miami's ever going to come back, that I think they're dead forever. And granted, I had a couple chill Miami bros on Twitter hit me up. And I think they seem cool, so I feel kind of bad. And I'm wrong all the time. But I do kind of feel that. Like, I don't think Miami's ever come back. And Philip Lugo, 1593, he says, this guy obviously doesn't live in Miami, probably in some basement in Idaho.

And he's just a hater. I mean, look, I do not live in Miami. This room does not look unlike a basement in Idaho. But again, I think my point kind of fucking stands. Miami just, I don't know. I don't know what my, what is, how would I say this? like I feel like Miami back in the day used to trade on brand a lot. They were cool as hell.

And you were getting paid. But now everybody's getting paid. And Miami's not cool. What's the difference between Miami and Southern Cal two years ago? What's the difference? Isn't the USC like a way bigger school? I don't think. I think Miami's like a small like,

I know it's a small private historical football tradition. They've been to multiple conference championship games. Yeah, I mean, that's also true. like way more highsman. Yeah. But I mean, just think like you, when you and I were growing up,

Bob, like Miami was the shit. Everyone loved the U. USC was rolling. Then they both kind of taken a dip over the past decade. And then now USC seems to have gotten it back together. Because they got one of the best coaches

and they got a Heism. Yeah. Why is it Miami capable of turning it around with a great head coach and a quarterback to bring the U back? Like the U still to me has a lot of power. They could look. No, no.

What I guess look, any any college football program can be back pretty much if you get the right head coach. We, we have talked about that's how I feel. We talk about this on snaps all the time. Some faster than that. This is a sports. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But that's what I'm saying. I think some places have so much inherent power.

They can elevate a bad coach. I don't think that's the case in Miami. Like, I think that's a place that has to be elevated by their coach. So you're, so you're, I just want to keep USC in mind when we're talking about this. You're putting USC in the same thing, though. I think USC has had great coaching for a past decade. And so you're saying USC's a spot just like Miami that needed a coach to get elevated to where they are now. I guess so.

I would have thought that USC was a spot capable of elevating the coach. But I guess recent history would maybe prove that. I mean, they've had two great coaches the past two decades, Pete Carroll and then right now. That's it. In between, it's been not great coaching and obviously pretty piss poor football. Look, if you're a Miami fan listening to this, just know that like, I don't even. even have any great fucking reason for this. Let's just lay our cards on the table. Okay. Let's just be fucking honest. I just feel it in my balls. You know, like I don't know what else

to tell you. It's like you can go back. This is one of my, look, you love Mark Ricked. I get it. Okay. I get it. And that was a fun time. It was a fun time when he was there, but that's, I don't know. I just, it's like one of my favorite speaking of debate tactics, one of my favorite tactics is when you have no great reasoning, you just call back to that one dude said in front of Congress about porn that one time where he was like, I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it. Okay. I don't know why I think Miami's never coming back, but I just feel it in my balls. My intuition tells me the use never really going to be back. But also, Mario Christopher, not that guy. Certified, not that guy. All right, let's dive into today's

episode, some shocking news. Look, we're going to talk Michael O'er and the blind side as it appears that O.R was blindsided. Shout out, Paul Ferrington. We're going to look at the AP poll. AP top 25 dropped us. I mean, this is breaking news show. The poll dropped about a couple hours ago. The Michael Oer article dropped a couple hours ago as well.

We'll talk a little Michigan Wolverines today also. As always, YouTube.com slash at volume snaps. If you're listening on demand, hit the like button, sub to the channel, the road to 3,000 continues. Also, if you're listening, wherever you get pod, Apple, Spotify, whatever. rate it, review it, share with your friends. Thank you all. All right.

This Michael Overstory is crazy. First off, it's been so long since I've thought about the blinds. I think you, bro. This is what I was looking for us. If you're listening on podcast, Brum just brought up the picture from ESPN with the twoies, you know, the two parents that supposedly, although we learn now, the truth is adopted Michael Ower back when he was in high school. Um, it has been so long since I've thought about the blind side. And it's crazy to look back that

that was a movie that got nominated for best pictures. Sandra Borga, I think one best actress. Like it had a ton of success. I think I remembered liking it. When I saw this picture, I was struck by just how deeply untrustworthy these people look. Like I didn't, I didn't even read the art like now I have obviously, but I'm saying when I saw that I had not read the article. No, you know what you're getting into and you read the article though. You knew no no no what i'm saying is what i'm saying is oh before reading the article my head just from this picture was already like lubed up to be like they did it like whatever michael lor is accusing these people up they absolutely fucking did it these are some people that are going to do whatever it takes to get to the top i mean what is it what is it what is it the butt chin like what's what what with okay

with the dad with the dad it's a little bit it's it kind of is mainly the butt chin and the wispy hair but i mean with Mama Tui, it is the Karen, John and Kate plus eight Chihuahua hair top mixed with those red glasses. When you have that hair that she has in this picture, you are made from pure ambition. You are going to get your way and not a single human being on the planet is going to stand in your way, even if that human being is six, five, three hundred fifty pounds. Well, they kind of portrayed that. They made her feel like that. movie too. True.

Yeah, like she was Miss Boss, bitch, like whatever I want, I'm going to find a way to make it happen. Like, I'm the one who sets the rules

when I put my foot down, you better listen. So like, thinking back to that character and then, yes, looking at this picture a little bit, and then reading the article,

you're like, okay, they hit on the personality trait. They just didn't hit on the fact that, you know, I'm sorry to steal this from you, T. Bob, they, they,

Britney speared her. They did. They did. They did. They pretty speared Michael O'er. Yes. They, um, so, okay, so that's, that is the crux of the lawsuits. So in case you miss it, Michael Ower is now suing, uh, the Tewy family who, of course, it was the family that in the movie The Blindside was, uh, you know, portraying as having adopted him and taught him football and, and, and helped him have some stability, which then led to academic athletic success and led him in a bowl miss.

He goes on and plays in the NFL, becomes Super Bowl champion, all this sort of stuff. We can get into maybe some of the weirdness about how he was portrayed in the movie, because like, He was not a fucking like bumbling idiot. He was like a normal human being. But before he get there, lawsuit that came out or that we learned about today claims that when, let's see, that when he was 18 years old going into a senior of high school, the two, he's put a document in front of him that they said was essentially the same thing. as adopting him, right? I'm trying to think about where the exact quote, I had a bunch of quotes talking about this.

It gave them, so basically he thought he was signing something to look, we're adopting you're going to be our son now. What he was actually signing was a conservatorship. And they kind of presented it to him like it was the same thing. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm going to say that one thing that is clearly different between the conservatorship and being adopted is when you're adopted and you turn 18, Um, you are an adult. You are your own man. You handle your own finances. You have your own name, image and likeness under a conservatorship. That is not the case. Somebody else gets to strike deals

with your name image likeness. They get the money. You don't see a dime of it unless they deign to give it to you. That was why all the Britney Spears stuff. The free Britney era popped up is because she was placed in a conservatorship and had to fight and claw and scratch her way out of it. Uh, The difference being is, you know, with Brittany, there is someone who, whether you agree or disagree, there was at least some argument to be made, yes, that, that, you know, is she really the best steward of her empire? Can she make these decisions? Of course, I am Team Free Brittany for whatever that's worth. With Michael Orr, I don't know how you argue this at all. This is a fully functioning, well-adjusted, super intelligent author motivational speaker multi-time played in two super bowls one one like

there is no reason to believe that anyone should be in control of his name and he did you and in a conservatorship and to add to the greece aaron the lawyer who put this all together that's the sketch is part for me it's a close family friend of the twoies deborra brannan and also it's also She's the agent, too. That's a sketchy part. She struck the deal on Ower's behalf for the blindside movie, which saw Michael Oer get paid nothing from the blindside movie. So they have a conservorship.

They make the blind side. And now O'er is saying that he's upset because they made percentage points off of the box office. This movie gross over 300 million and that the Tewis and their children have all seen proceeds while he is claiming to not have seen a single dime, which is at odds with what the twoies have mentioned. And other times of the past, they said they split it five ways. I'm just amazed to me that I know that maybe he hasn't seen the document. That's why that this is all come out since what February, 2023 is when he sat down and looked at it. But you can't tell

me he hasn't been in a locker room since that movie or been with friends or anyone that's like, oh, would you get paid for that? We saw that was ahead. And it was going to say nothing and not ask a question since then. So I just want to know that from him of what took you so long to realize that there had been money that had been made. And yes, maybe they said they didn't make maybe minimal dollars, but still it's something that you did not get at all. Why hadn't you been questioned from the very beginning? Where is my cut in this entire thing? Well, okay, it's it's tough to say though. Okay, so I mean, so what he claims is he knew they got they knew he knew they got paid. They just kept saying that it wasn't a lot.

Yeah. Yeah. That is true. It's still more than nothing. I'm still saying, okay, well, even if it's a little bit, it's more than what I'm seen over here. Well, but there is an interesting quirk here that gives him believability when he says that he just never looked into it.

That movie got released in 2009. What else happened in 2009? He got drafted to play for the Ravens in the first round. So all of a sudden, he has a huge influx of money coming in, right? Multiple, multiple millions of dollars. And they're telling him, oh, we didn't make that much. Maybe he wasn't worried. about it. And then like he said, and I find this to be very believable. He was like,

look, in my eight years in the NFL, like I was so it's so all consuming and I was so committed and locked in that like I didn't, he didn't put the mental resources. I said, or emotional resources thinking about the guy who, who, who had a movie made about his life. You can't tell me in those eight years, not one of his teammates asked him what he got for that movie. That would have been the first damn question that I would have asked a teammate. I was like, what'd you get for that movie? I don't know you. I know, but I don't know how much he even, I mean, I don't know, I don't know how much

he liked to talk to that movie about people because everything he ever talks about since the movie is that he hated. It's been, you know, a source of some of his deepest kind of scarring and anger because he hates how he was portrayed because again, he was portrayed as like a barely functional idiot, which is not the case at all. And he was portrayed as being taught football by the twoies, which reportedly was not the case at all. He was like, I studied the game my entire life.

I just didn't have these. ability that I needed to go out there and like play consistently and go to class consistently. I mean, he had to go like nine different schools in like 11 years. So can we come back to one thing. Yes. Like obviously the or thing doesn't really add up that no one, like he never brought it up at any point. But like the two is defensive, it's not a big deal.

We got 80% and you got 20. That's totally fair. Makes me think they're total. Oh, see. I didn't even see that part. Oh, oh, because you're saying they split it five ways. Correct. Yeah, even five ways is fucking crazy.

You're right. You're right. That is a good point. Even if they're like three ways, me, my husband and Michael, like, what? That's so like, by the most charitable definition of their own admission, they made four times as much as Michael were dead, which is insane. So what was they got, they got two and a half percent of. Yeah, that's what the lawsuit claims. Yeah, that's what the lawsuit claims is that's a, I find that maybe a bit hard to believe. I feel like two and a half points on a box office is a lot. You may know better in terms of how Hollywood. they said what 300 million dollars was brought in the box off long that's seven and a half million dollars yeah i just i just i wonder sometimes if um i don't know i don't know i mean whatever if but but to me it's like that's the the the money is bad but i think what it's easy to lose side of here is this is a real kind of emotional betrayal well it's emotional betrayal because i i think what gets lost in all this is that they had a very, they had a very real relationship. Like, I do believe that they once had a lot of love in their hearts for one another.

And I believe that he, if he didn't think of him as his parents, he thought of them as something akin to his parents. And I think that, actually, that love probably goes a long way towards explaining why he kind of took them at their word when they said that there wasn't money. I mean, here's a quote from his lawyer in this piece that has come out now saying, quote, the lie of, and remember that the two has been going around calling him there adopted some and benefiting off of that fact for a long time now, when they specifically, specifically finagled things to not adopt him, but just become his conservator. quote, the lie of Michael's adoption is one upon which co-conservatives, Leah and Tui and Sean Tui have enriched themselves at the expense of their ward, the undersigned Michael Oar. Michael Oar discovered this lie to his chagrin and embarrassment in February of

2023 when he learned that the conservatorship to which he consented on the basis that doing so would make him a member of the Tui family, in fact, provided no familial relationship with the Tewis. And it would go on to talk about how to do you. Now, Mike didn't grow up with a stable family life, but the Tui family told Mike they loved him and wanted to adopt him. It filled a void that had been with him his entire life, discovering that he wasn't actually adopted, devastated Mike and wounded him deeply. And Aaron, we mentioned, well, why did this all take so long? It sounds like the relationship was pretty strong until the movie came out. And then he was very hurt about how he was portrayed in the movie.

And then he learned he was the only member of the family not receiving royalty checks from the movie. Then he gets the lawyer to look into all of this. And in February, he discovers that he's not even a part of the part. In February, he's discovered that he's not even a part of the family. I mean, look, I don't know, gaslight is a thing. How you feel? I mean, again, I think we're undervaluing how it looks cut and dry from the outside. But there's a lot of emotion in here.

There's a lot of love in here. There's a lot of betrayal, a lot of broken heart in here. And I think when you really love and support someone that sometimes is going to take a while to get to that breaky boy, it's like, it's kind of like he talks about his relationship with the movie where he says that it, he was like, you know, it's complicated because a big part of him hated it. But he also knew it inspired a lot of others. And he's like, okay, well, I'm going to keep quiet about it because the inspiration that

it's bringing outweighs whatever personal issues I have. Now, later he opened up when he wrote his book and everything. But like it's, um, I don't know. I guess I'm just not as bothered by the timeline of it. Like I, I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not bothered by just. The facts are that they're. It doesn't. I know.

When they when they like him, he's going to be adopted. I'm just more. It's like just more question like what, what took him so long? That's it. I mean, if you were pissed off from 2009, you knew that the money brought in. You're upset with the way it's portrayed. in my mind they're just the wheels would be turning. He doesn't necessarily know.

How am I benefiting from this, this entire thing? True. True. Again, I mean, he seems to say that he was so consuming football, but I,

you know, again, he only knows what Leanne and Sean are telling him. And who knows what they're telling him about how much money they're making or what the line. I mean, the very lawyer, exactly.

No, exactly. Blind face. Exactly. But I mean, that fucking what is love but blind faith in the person that you love right i mean that's that's like if if you love who who could i manipulate more than any other probably in this entire earth my child and my wife why because they love me and that's that's awful but it feels like what

i mean they knew what they were doing dude you do not present you do not present adoption you do not present conservatorship document or they know what they're doing as adoption papers that is effed up that is rapacious that is gaslighting that is manipulative i feel well especially especially that you're the the history that he has yeah like you're you're you're preying on the the vulnerable at that point which yes it's just very much disgusting yeah and and let's also be clear unlike the movie, the real story goes that Mike Lauer

was that maybe the two-eys didn't become so into him until they already knew he was really awesome at sports. And he was already staying in other places. He wasn't quite I mean, it's just, it's the whole thing is greasy. And I know it's weird because that movie came out in 2009

and we all celebrated it. And even now a decade later before any of this came out, we kind of realize that this guy, this has some kind of stereotypical like any questionable undertones here and then um well we learn that that greasy rabbit hole goes even deeper uh but as our good friend paul ferranton said all it does is set up the sequel blindsided untold stories blindsided coming to netflix in about six months blindsided the real to eat family or something along those lines but again i i i actually i feel kind of like a dick now I'm making jokes, but there is something deeply sad about this.

What should have been and was viewed as a really wholesome and great story and a loving story about, you know, love transcending backgrounds, whatever else, it becomes something all too fucking familiar, which is greed and the pursuit of money, trumping all. So again, pull up the picture. Now that we've had a discussion, pull up the picture again. Brum. I mean, guys. Like straight care and hair and glasses. I mean,

it's, I mean, how many times if we've heard similar stories, though, and I'll kind of finish like this, like the amount of time I've seen buddies of mine be taking an advantage because they're kind of just living in the moment and someone else kind of just,

you know, once again, financially leaching onto them and, and taking from them. Yeah. A teammate at mine who's, who's mother for good. to sakes as soon as he had drafted goes to my mom and says it's time for me to get mine i'm just like

i mean you know that's that's yeah no i mean i remember like rookie symposiums and stuff where one of the core attendance was always how to tell your family no yeah and like agents being like look that's our job you you you you you you send everybody to me or the financial manager whoever but that does actually you bring up something else you just made pop my head as well as maybe the most messed up part is like they were already rich like that's kind of the entire core part of the movie the question is what else are they what else is going to be you know dug up about what they've done in their past that kind of shows you what kind of people they truly are because this you can't tell me that that once again like you brought up they they they present this young man with this document not knowing

what it truly was you have to be some kind of person ahead of time either you are in trouble yourself financially in some way or you've done similar stuff in the past where you're you've done similar stuff in the past you're just a fucking slime ball essentially yeah big pile of grease all the way around very old miss as well the whole thing is just reeks of kind of white color crime and manipulation which i don't know that just feels like old miss fans to me i'm kidding old miss fans relax dude relax yes i am i am i am it's um okay we ready to move on you got anything else on blindsided sad story can't wave yeah very sad Uh, I, you know what I am kind of excited for though? Because I'm just, I love drama.

I'm, I'm going to be real interested to see where the defense is because once again, a woman with that haircut does not take this lightly. Okay. Michael is starting a war. Uh, here's to hoping that he can potentially win. Um, let's do a little AP poll reaction air Murray. So in case you missed it, there's a new AP top 20. And I'll give you the top 10 and then we can dive in at some points.

Number one, UGA. Number two, Michigan, three, Ohio State, four, Alabama, five, LSU, six, USC, seven, Penn State, eight, Florida State, nine, Clemson, and number 10, Washington, the Huskies getting in there at number 10, as voted on by the Associated Press. First off, Aaron, in the AP poll era. which starts in 1936. There have been two other teams that finished as AP number one, two years in a row, and then went for a third one in a row, both finished number two in their quest for a repeat.

And here does Army in Alabama and here, UGA sense, number one once again, trying to be the first to ever do it in the AP era. Minnesota didn't do it in the AP era. Did you do an APR first time, first time, it's time to set some records for them Bulldogs. I do like it besides one thing. I think LSU should be four, Alabama 5. That's the first thing that kind of jumps out to me. I've said multiple times on this show.

I think LSU is a better team this year. I think they're the better team this season. And kind of seeing T. Bob and I are chatting a little bit before this show about Alabama and watching some of the highlights from some of the quarterbacks in practice, just not overly impressed what the, Crimson Tide has back at the quarterback spot. I think the big thing, too, you look at it, especially in the top 20,

you have, first off, two Pac-12 teams inside the top 10, and then five in the side of the top 20 from the Pack 10. So that, more than anything, really just speaks to how incredibly mismanaged the Pac-12 was. And there's no,

I don't think I can point to any single, you know, guilty party. I think it was a Patrick Chung, the Washington State AD that maybe said it best, where he was just like the Pac-12's demise was due to just really awful leadership on multiple different levels. And so now, yes, you have this very sad tale where you somehow have five teams at the top 20 for a conference that is not going to exist next year. And a couple of those teams, or at least one of those teams in Oregon State may not even be playing Power 5 football, which is just flat out wrong. And in the age of

answer portal will ruin them because everybody will leave and it's it's whatever i feel all for you and say um hey uh okay well before we get to albama because i do want to play that quarterback team next aaron let me ask you this for you and your little uGA boys too you see stets and been in the preseason bro yeah it looks pretty good don't he he looked the best all the all the all the rookie quarterbacks he had the best the best weekend oh how about that stets and bennett's and ben at looking like most underrated player of all time yeah like above average right like very good right like staffer better watches back stetson's coming from i i talk about this this morning i think i think matt stafford quit playing football the second he won the super bowl and it's not to say that he

doesn't still like think that he wants it but like i don't know dude i take you know mission accomplished and then he got paid so he had to but like mission accomplished dude get on that here uh but but aaron on behalf of your people people, does it not make you even the slightest bit nervous to see Stetson ball in the NFL? Hold on, Brum, not yet. Not yet. God dang it. Oh, Pete. Oh, my goodness. Where do you get Jalen Milro from Stetson Bennett? I don't know. Control your boner, brum. Or he just wants us to get off Stets and Bennett. No, no, no, no. I need to know if it

intimidates Georgia fans. This is a legitimate question. I'm not trolling. Like, no, no, no, does it not freak you out at all that Stetson's playing very well? because Georgia fans have been trying to explain to me that they've been winning in spite of Stetson for years now, but I don't know. No, because they still won because they had a balanced football team. They still won because they won the best defenses in the country. They still won because they had an incredible offensive line,

the best tight end. Stetson was a major factor. Don't get me wrong. They didn't win in spite of Stetson. But I do just think it goes. I don't think it freaks them out. I think it just tells the story of Stetson a little bit more to the people that are still hating.

that he was just a walk on, that he did benefit from an incredible football team and Kirby Smart and whatever other excuse you want to make, that, no, this kid was a really good football player and a really good quarterback that, by all accounts, because of Stafford's injury history, is probably going to be a starting quarterback at some point this season in the NFL. Yeah, think about that, dude. That's crazy. Crazy. So I think to me, it's more of just shutting up the haters than it is freaking Georgia fans out, like, oh my God, we did have that.

We took it for granted. And now we have unproven guys that, yeah, are four and five stars, which we wanted. But Stetson was pretty fucking good. What did, uh, who said it? I don't know who said it. Be careful what you wish for, Bulldog fans. Because it just might get it. And when it shows up, it's just Mike Bobo.

And you have to pretend to be excited because you've convinced yourself that Mike Bobo. what that's your boy dude i get it i'd be pumped too and i hope that the georgia quarterbacks took from stetson speaking of hockey cocky mentality just just there's a reason why he's transitioning so well like stetson firmly believes that stets is a fucking man yeah that he's probably better than than matthew stafford i guarantee you deep down and stetson's head he's sitting back saying i should be the starting quarterback in Los Angeles. Actually, it's kind of funny. And then we'll move on.

Sorry. I can hear Brum, cringing because we're talking so much sets in here. But his whole like whirlwind tour of the off season where he was like getting in trouble and like kind of being a dick to the cops and like being a dick to the crowd and to, to the reporter. It all does kind of speak to maybe why he's so good, right? Because of that F you, I'm the man attitude.

He's got a little kiddie powers in him. And he does. And he does. I like that. All right. So speaking of Alabama, you say they should be fifth in this list, not fourth. I mean, you know, whatever, splitting hairs. I feel you, though.

I love Michigan at two. Ohio State at three, sure. I believe that Michigan deserves me, too. I don't really care what you want to do with Ohio State in the top five. But yeah, let's talk Alabama because Saturday reports, it's weird. I've seen some reports saying this, but nothing too concrete where I feel like there's something that you should run with. But I will put it out there since, you know, it's kind of rumor season.

But word on the street is Jalen Milro is actually taking the majority of one reps, which does mean that we've officially now reached the point where I've heard rumors on every guy being the guy, right? Like talking to SC Media days, I had some guys from Alabama tell me, oh, we heard like Ty Simpson. I had other guys tell me, no, it's actually going to be Bucknerves started today.

And then now people are saying Jalen Milrow. So we've run the gamut. We've completed the trio. I think they really wanted Ty to take it. Like, Ty, this is your job. Go take the damn thing. and he's just not separating. I think it's,

I think it's pissing people off in the building. I think it's pissing saving off. I feel like it's pissing the staff off. Like you, you've waited for your turn. We try to make it your job. And you're just not taking the damn bull by the horns, unfortunately.

And so then all of a sudden by the tusks. The elephant by the tux. The, the dick by the balls. Whatever you want to say. That was a reason. And that was a little bit of reach. And then I just think then you,

then all of a sudden you run the, the pressures of art, is this kid truly ready to play? Is he truly ready to be in a starting quarterback? We've given you the opportunity. You can't take advantage of it. Jalen's played football. Buckner's played significant amount of football, not a ton, but a decent amount. Obviously, more than Ty Simpson has.

I don't think he's earned the trust of the coaching staff. And that's a problem. I still think that he has time. I still think that they're going to try and figure out a way to make sure that he is the guy come season time. but I don't know how you can sit back with Jalen Milro's turnover issues and still say today that he's going to be the guy. I would still rather give the ball to Buckner and just say,

don't screw it up. Just don't screw up. Alabama's in a don't screw it up kind of season. If they don't screw it up and they don't turn the ball over, they're a 10 and 2, 11 and 1 football team. Yeah, that's going to compete. That's the best way to not turn it over. I don't know if you can be one dimensional and win.

You can't be one dimensional and win. I know they want to, you know, all the things you're saying, oh, we're going to be bully football and we're going to be aggressive at the line of scrimmage. We're going to dominate people. Good. But guess what? Teams the SEC have recruited really good big guys on defense.

LSU has some depth and some size of the defensive line. A&M has some depth and some size. And you expect hopefully those guys can be a little bit better against run this season, you know, all those young guys that played last year. Like you can't expect of Alabama a decade ago that was significantly. better than everyone else that could just line up and dominate, can just all of a sudden flip a switch and offensive line that's not been dominant for two years and then play that style of football all of a sudden this year. I don't think they can do it. I don't think a team

can do that right now. So I'm not buying. We're just going to line up and be a team that 60% of the time runs the football and we're going to win an SEC championship. That's not going to get it done. I would actually love it. I mean, I would hate it because I don't want Alabama to win, but I would love it if somebody just said, F it, we're going back to like, well, I mean, it's kind of what Matt Rule Nebraska are trying to do a little bit right now. Doing it a little bit. Michigan is doing it a little. You're right.

You're right. I apologize. He's doing a little bit. But then, funnily enough, we actually feel like the key to Michigan even better is like, throwing the ball more. Throwing the football. So that your point. You can't do what to bet you can get you far.

It can get you far. But it ain't going to win a chip. Okay. Okay. Now, pericates example. Peric example, Alabama with Jaylen. could run the football, but they needed two to come in there to win it for them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess you're right. Rob, now you can hit the tape, Aaron. You're a big, watch the film guy, break down this quarterback play for us from Alabama. I mean, it's routes on air. So, I mean, tie is definitely the most fluid of the three throwing the football.

I'm not impressed with, you know. Buckner is nasty. Bruckner's, you know, doesn't really get me excited too much. TIE is nice. Like that's, that's, that's, that's good fundamentals. But I don't know that like I liked where the ball ended up that much. Like it was chose to be back shoulder. No, I know it's supposed to be back shoulder.

I didn't feel like it was back shoulder enough. But the other guys are maybe too back shoulder. I don't know. All I'm saying is, uh, none of this inspires a ton of confidence. And this is the school released footage. Like this is, this is like state run media. This is like what press. President Putin would give to the news station to run.

Like this was not filmed by a report or anything. So in a way, this is like some of the best footage they're going to give you. Let's just, let's just lower expectations. There's no, there's nowhere near Bryce Young on this tape. And it took Bryce Young being Superman to get that team to where they were last year. See, Brum here, if you're watching on YouTube, just put a question on the bottom of screen is Sabin the new Putin. Brum, the real question is is Putin the new Sabin, right? former great head of a crumbling empire i mean uh war crimes as the head of a secret military force uh they

have a lot of similarities the two do um okay sorry we have really lost threat here back to the top 25 erin murray uh georgia michigan high state alabama lSU u scec state continues to just impress people man u sc at six four state eight i love it um You know, it's going to be interesting. The Big Ten East with Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State is going to be, you know, we're talking about the SEC West. I always still say the SEC West from top the bottom is more competitive. It is. But obviously, yeah, but those three teams are all good enough to be in the Big Ten championship game where I still think it's a, it's a two-man race to win the SEC West, Arizona.

It truly is. Penn State's good enough to beat Michigan. Penn State's good enough to beat Ohio State. Will they? I won't put my money on them to do it, but they at least are good enough to do it. The third team in the SEC West is not good enough to beat both Alabama and LSU. So, I mean, look, to your point, yes, it is wild that you could have three teams in the top 10

from the same half of a conference, which is, yeah, top seven, which is what the big 10 has here. Florida State 8, hell yeah, man, hype it up, Orlando. Hell yeah. going down Sunday night Texas 11 that's my number let's go God I'm 11 and that burnt orange would have looked so good if they would have gave me a scholarship

Oh my God see Georgia Notre Dame at 13 seems a little high for me this is a little high He wished he was never in a I wish I had a scholarship I wish I had a scholarship Notre Dame at 13 seems a little high for me A little high I mean okay who would you put ahead of him though

maybe Oregon maybe Utah I mean if anything Notre Dame will probably fall because they got a very tough schedule because they always do even though nobody ever wants to give them credit for it but like I don't hate any of these other teams

I don't think I like any of these other teams behind Notre Dame enough to put them over first team that drop outside the top 25 how do we feel about Wisconsin I know nothing about Wisconsin I guess it's impossible to try to predict Wisconsin yeah this year but I could definitely see them falling out there at 19

um Oklahoma probably has an easier schedule they should be fine I mean uh I don't Iowa uh never no I will not drop out the top 25 they have Brian for instance they're yeah I think I think I think that I think that I would say I'm trying not to choose somebody just at the bottom right because like if Tulane loses obviously they're going to drop out um I still get I still need to see it prove it from TCU I still I hate to say it because I think TCU. I was going to say TCU. Yeah. I'm going TCU. My first team in here that is Kansas State's got their quarterback back. I think TCU, man, you, you, you exceeded expectations by going last

year to a national championship and say what you want. There's massive, massive expectations now that, you know, let's do it again this year, or at least let's get back and, you know, win the big 12. And I don't, I think you may see. significant drop from TCU this season. I would still say, I would say four nine three team. I would still now I don't believe this is going to happen because college football is all about the coach and I think Luke fickle is one of the best in the entire country. But Wisconsin still is interesting me because there's such a complete unknown.

Is it like how new offense? Well, and not just a new offense, right? But it's like somebody fucking discovered alien technology and just dropped it in their midst. It was like, hey, figure it out. like can they are they going to be ready to go out the gate are they going to take like maybe by the end of the year they're coming on and playing strong but are they going to like hold the top 25 rank you know the entire of the year with phil longgo running the air raid in wisconsin i don't know i can see that potentially going to rhyme so i got no other great takeaways i'm so say i mean look i love love love love polls don't be wrong but after watch it's a preseason football this weekend i'm ready for actual football yeah uh because the new orleans saints are going to win the Super Bowl. I mean, did you see Derek Carr, dude? Unbelievable, dude. James Winston, bro. It's his year. Well, no, Derek Carr is the quarterback now. Did you know that? No, I did know that, yeah. I'm just saying you get hurt. James looks pretty damn good.

Jamo Dimes. Love James. One of my favorite quarterbacks ever, even though he's like not done that much. How could you not like James Winston? Aaron, real quick on the way out here, I know where you have to do this in official capacity sometime, but you got to go to a screening of Grand Tree. I did not. Oh, how was? Have you not gotten it yet? Love it got it. He's badass. It was.

It was on a Wednesday. Tlau. Oh, let's go too. There we go. So Thursday, you want to do a little in-depth Grand Therismo? Yeah, I think we're paid to. That's what we call. Yeah.

I think, I think we're, I think, you know, I think we're actually advertised. But okay, let's just go full disclosure here, but you said, it was really damn good. Exactly awesome. It was phenomenal. I was texting the group. right afterwards like even my wife i didn't know like i brought sharing with me was not anticipating her

to like love the movie she's like damn that was an awesome movie like no joke it was i thought it was well done um i don't think it was cheesy at all like you're gonna go to a movie like that like is it going to be too cheesy is it going to be the same storyline it looks cheesy from the trailer doesn't look bad but it does look cheesy when like when uh what's his name from david hopper a million times is like this ain't this ain't this ain't no video game this is real life. Lives are on the life. There are a couple of that.

It's in good moments where it flows nicely. Okay. I would, I always judge a movie of what I watch it again. Like if I'm in an airplane, would I watch it again. I would probably watch it two or three times that if I needed a movie on Delta. Oh,

like it's that good. Yeah. You know a movie I saw, I rewatched over the weekend. I only got to rewatch like the first hour of it, but it was so good again. The original Fast and the Furious. Oof.

I got what a fan. I forgot how fans. It is just like, I don't think I've seen that movie since I was in sixth grade and came out of it, one of a Honda Civic with Underglow. But it is like the style. Inch or a mile, winning's winning, Teabob. Oh, my God, Wendy's a real racers, no, Dominic Tourette. And then, but Brum, now you're a fast and furious expert.

I have not seen past Tokyo drift. But, I mean, they go to space at some point, right? Correct. So it is, it is. What was this? I'm telling you, bro, apparently. Tyrese and Ludacris get, they're launched on a back of a rocket in a Honda and they destroy a satellite. It's like that.

Oh, my God. By the way. They didn't it just end. How was the newest one? How was the newest one? It was solid. But hold on. The point of that is, it is crazy to think about that.

Like, going to space when you view the first one. And Dom's just like, you know, he's probably, he's like early 30s. A lot of the movies like the rival gang steals DVD players. Yeah, yeah. He's just like a chill little street criminal. But hey, I guess his ambition knew no bounds. I mean, this is a franchise that got the rock, lost the rock, and is bringing back the rock for 11 and 12. How does, how does Vin Diesel feel about that, though?

Because he was very much out on the rock. But I think they brought back, like broker to peace tree. Like it's Israel and Palestine. Wow. Good looking out there. Well, you know what else? It seems like the next great crime franchise? Grants here.

Actually, probably not because it's like a true story. But Grand Trees, man. Yeah. I'm excited to check it out. Check it out. All right. That'll do it for today's show. Sorry to get to Michigan.

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