The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - What Brock Bowers injury means for Georgia + Why Texas A&M needs to fire Jimbo Fisher

Episode Date: October 17, 2023

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert discuss the news that Brock Bowers may be out for the season after requiring ankle surgery, and how this will impact the remainder of Kirby Smart and Georgia’s season. The guys also discuss Jimbo Fisher’s time at Texas A&M and how the Aggies may have no choice but to pay the $70 million buyout to get Jimbo out of town. Finally, the guys react to Deion Sanders and Colorado’s meltdown against Stanford on Friday night and what it means for the Buffaloes moving forward. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What up, y'all, welcome. I'm sorry, that's like an awful start to the show for me, but I got distracted by the chat because people are asking seriously important questions. Lord of the Rings or a song of ice and fire. Lord of the Rings, so I do love both. Would you, if you have, would you really live in Westero, Star Wars, or Star Trek? Star Trek, obviously, right? It's like the ideal future where like food shortages and everything else has been sold.

Grilled cheese or PB&J grilled cheese. Pineapple and pizza, no thank you, but I don't hate it. I've alien visited and visit Earth yet. No, they have not. Okay. Now that that's out of the way, we can finally begin the college football show that we do. Aaron Murray, what's up, man? You got the fresh fuck boy face.

which means it's going to be a great Monday in which you piss me off concerning your top 10 rankings. What's up, dude? Oh, man. I mean, I was just getting the haircut. I'm feeling good. Getting like the scalp massage during the haircut, all is well in the world. And I get in my car and there's like 50 messages. I'm like, what the hell did I miss?

And Brock Bowers, injury, which we will touch on in this show. Who needs to step up? What does this mean for Georgia and their chances of back? to back to back, national championships, all that on today's show. So appreciate you guys joining in. So yeah, it's going to be a hell of a Monday to get it going on snaps. I am T. Bob Abe, if you're listening to this on podcast, thank you. Please, YouTube.com slash at volumes app, sub, sub, sub.

We lose a little momentum here. The push to 7K is taking a little longer than we want. We're going to keep going. Keep sharing it with your friends. Road to 7K rolling right along. Shout out Turner Young, our resident UW fan up in here. throw them doves up, Aaron, huskies on top. We'll get to that as well.

And Benjamin Murcherich says, I just want to know which blood bowl team, T-5 rolls, I'm betting orcs. Actually, yeah, the one year I played in a serious blood bowl league here in Baton Rouge, 32 people in the league made the championship.

I did indeed roll orcs. I'm more of a bashy guy, Benjamin. All right, let's get into it. Greg, your voice sounds much better today. We struggle, man. I need a buy week. It does sound better.

I need a buy week. I need one. My problem was this time, this, normally I don't do anything on Friday because I know what I got coming up Saturday. This time I finagled my way into some concert. Next thing you know, I'm drinking like 20. I think it was like Bush Lights maybe is what I was drinking. And look, I've rediscovered my love domestic light beer this last year, but that was a rough way to start off Friday and the rest of weekend. All right.

Let's get into it. Nick, that's a great question. We're going to do this during kind of this conversation. We're going to talk Brock Bowers. We're going to talk Colorado, which again, on Sunday because we had a limited schedule. We'll talk about the Aggies moving on from Jimbo, a seemingly endless conversation that we repeat every day,

but I got some new, I got new information for you that's going to make it worth it. A quick hitter on UNC, and then our snaps top 10. All right. Aaron, Brett Big Murphy tweets, Brock Bowers will undergo. ankle surgery, likely missing remainder of season. UGA off this week, then face Florida. Now, Graham Coffee of Dog Central,

he had a long tweet in which he screenshot at a post from the website. Georgia Insider says tightrope was recommended. Remember, that's the thing for the high ankle sprains. You can come back much quicker on them and it heals them. He says to a very famously did it back in 19 and everything else. Tightrope was recommended. Brockers camp saying Bauer's camp, saying they're going to get a second opinion and then decide what to do on Tuesday. Coffee closes the post saying source says, quote, he's exactly like Chubb was.

Brock and his family have already decided he's going to do whatever option will let him get back on the field the fastest. All he wants to do is play football for the University of Georgia. That could absolutely be true. Feels a little self-serving coming from Dog Central. Aaron, what is the latest that you've heard on Brock Bowers? Yeah, listen, it could be out in the remainder of the regular seasons. I know a lot of people are upset about the Mc Murphy tweet of saying, oh, my God, it's not out for the entire season.

So that's what I'm hearing. Three to six weeks is usually the time frame, which would be out until possibly the SEC championship game. And if Georgia does make the playoffs, should be back, if that's the case, fully healthy for a two-game stretch to win another national championship. So that's kind of the timetable that I'm working with right now from what I'm hearing. And the way that he could possibly heal, he is Superman, for goodness sakes, maybe he's even back before that. I don't know. But I think Georgia, they're on the schedule.

So back later than that, you know? I mean, it could go both. It could be true. You'd never know these things like sprains and surgery, no surgery. it's always a tricky thing. And I look at the schedule too. And they kind of did this with Ladd. And I don't know the extent of Ladd-McConkie's injury, but Ladd kind of slowly worked his way back into the lineup. And I think they looked at it and said,

you know what, do we need Ladd versus Ball State in South Carolina and UAB and Auburn? Well, there's somewhat native versus Auburn. Not really. So like let's bring him back slowly. I think Georgia looks at their schedule right now and kind of has the same feeling. Like, yeah, Missouri is a great story this year. Yeah, old miss has looked good at times.

Tennessee, you know, do we necessarily need Brock to win those games? You really don't need him. Would it be great to have him? Hell yeah, he's the best. He's the best weapon in college football. He forces defenses to declare certain things that give a quarterback in advantage, give Mike Bobo in advantage. But do you need him to win those games?

Probably not. So am I going to hold them off to maybe Georgia faces LSU and SEC championship game? I would think so. So I think that, if it is a tightrope surgery, that's kind of the timeline that I would most likely anticipate. But not a doctor. We'll see what the second opinion says. Greg Lamont says, uh, Mizzou beats Georgia by two touchdowns. You're not even making the SEC.

I mean, Mizzou made a statement against Kentucky this weekend. I know we don't have it anywhere in the rundown today. And we don't have it anywhere to talk about really on the, or we didn't talk about on Sunday. but that Kentucky Missouri game is kind of insane. Like, Kentucky's at home at night. They jump out to a 14 to zero lead. Mizzou's just playing awful at beginning, dominated on the line,

giving up 10-yard carry, turned the ball over, and then all of a sudden they said no more. They ended up winning that game. Big dude. And it's with Luther Burden, into the game with two catches for 15 yards. Like Brady Cook didn't even have overwhelming stats.

This Missou team is pretty frisky. It's a good football team. It's a good thing to call it. Eli drink. I would have magic with him right now. Whoever had the question in the chat of who am I more concerned about on this schedule for Georgia going forward without Brock Bowers, it would still be Ole Miss. Because Ole Miss, yeah, Ole Miss is a team that can score points. And that's always something that is concerned me with Georgia.

It's been the big concern for two years. If you do face a team that can put up 35 plus points, maybe, you know, flirt in the 40s, you know, can you go toe to toe with those teams? and last year they found a way to squeak it out versus Ohio State. But that's always a type of game that will concern you, especially when you don't have your best weapon on offense. Like, I'm circling that one. Luckily, two of those games are in Sanford Stadium. But it's going to be a tough four-game stretch.

Imagine that. How are all of your end of the season games at home as well? If all the beginning. Tennessee is on the road. Like LSU was on the eye. Okay, wow, exactly. Thank you for proving my point. Yeah.

Yeah. No, that one game's on the road. And we have to go to Bobby Dodd. And people say, look, when you go to Bobby Dodd, you don't come out alive. Seven home games, four away games and then one neutral site game. That's a hell of a schedule. A hell of a schedule. Home to away ratio?

What happened? Look, here's the deal, man. And look, many of y'all talk shit about the Teabobob jinks. And I think you're full of shit. I will take it on the Brock Bowers front, though. Because I did pretty much come on here. last week and guarantee that he was going to go to New York City, thought that he had the best chance on the Bulldogs easily to win a Heisman.

And now not only is that not the case, but it's whether or not Georgia can win without him. I mean, UGA's already, you, what? Carson Beck with the Heisman. Oh, really? Throwing to who? Carson Beck with the Heism. Yeah, throwing to who?

Because right now, Aaron, when I look, UJ's already trying to do the impossible winning these three titles in a row. Never happens. Now it just became that much harder. Like you said, it is Carson Beck's time. But again, who's you going to throw to? Because when I look at. He's a thrash right now, shut the fuck up and listen.

When I look at the stats right now, Brock Bowers has literally double the production of every other player on the team. 41 catches, 567 yards, four touchdowns. Rosemies, Jack Saints, the closest in the yardage department. He's at 333, only 18 catches. Lovitz the closest and catches with 31. Jack Saints got two tuds, Lovett's got one, but Kanky's back so that helps, but his per game numbers aren't even close.

Like, Aaron, you're a quarterback that's always yelling at us about the importance of weapons, and you just lost maybe the most unique weapon in the entire country. And you're telling me that Georgia is just, and Georgia continues to look pretty shitty against bad teams. You're telling me that they're just going to roll,

that this is no big deal, like everything else is no big deal with this Georgia team? Yeah, I am going to say that. Like, yeah, maybe you see a dip in production on offense, but I look at the receivers right now and you brought up Lad. Like, Ladd is one of the best receivers in the conference and he's back healthy. Like, you're going to have him play a bigger role. I think Marcus Rosamie Jackson has played really well.

You know, two of the big transfer guys that came in this offseason, Dominic Lovett and Rara Thomas. I'll speak to Rara first. Rara was non-existent for the first three or four games of the season. Just wasn't out there because it took, it took him time to learn the playbook. I talked to the coaching staff this offseason. You're going from an offense that you ran at Mississippi State that was an air raid to now more of a pro style system.

Like he just wasn't catching on fast enough for him. And Don Lovett's playing a new position as well. So like those guys all of a sudden in the past two weeks have played really well. Like Rarrah's making plays over and over and he's worked his way into the starting lineup. Dom Lovett had his best game in the season last week. So you have two of the best receivers from last season, now have confidence. in the offense, confidence with their quarterback, confidence from their offensive coordinator, along with one of the best returning receivers in the SEC and Ladd-McConkie.

Yeah, I like the receivers right now. I think those guys have to take their game to another level, and I think they're hitting their stride at the right moment. And before I let you kind of give your crazy two take on this, a guy to watch out for it. I don't have a crazy take. My take is you got worse because you lost the best fucking weapon in the country. I'm just saying like you're the one out of here telling me Brock Bowers doesn't matter.

It does matter. Rha, and love it. Really good talent. Where's the really good numbers? I don't see him. Was Brock Powers just hoovering up all the touches? Nobody else could get in.

Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you just throw to Brock? I mean, we don't see. We make fun of like, why would, why is Travis Kelsey lead the Kansas City Chiefs? Because he's the best tight end in America.

You'd be an idiot not to try to target him 15 times a game. Like, it's the same thing with Brock. Like, I'm going to go out to Brock. And if the Chief, Travis Kelsey is just all good. It's no problem.

No, you're going to say, oh, no, there are the receivers that Georgia does. Okay, we don't find out. We don't fucking find out. Let me give you one person lookout for that. Lawson Lucky, who has been out the entire season. True freshman was the kid that bawled out in the spring game for Georgia fans that watched the game was incredible.

Looks like the coming of Brock Bowers, like the second coming of him, built like him, same size, not as fast, but pretty darn fast. two. He's been banged up, played last week for the first time all season, I believe. He's going to play a bigger role. So just be on the lookout for number seven.

I'm going to need Georgia to lose almost just so you can fucking just stop it with this just unreal. Like nothing is ever bad. They're still good. Carson Beck's still going to win the Heisman. if Michael Pinnickson had lost Roma Dunesay, you'd be talking about how it was a big deal. If LSU lost Malik neighbors, you'd be talking about how it was a big deal. This only is not a big deal because it's your boy, Carson Beck, and the dogs.

No, no, no, no, no. All LSU fans, all LSU fans, just fucking beat Ole Miss and we won't have any problems, okay? It's all we need y'all to do because we're out of here trying to fight. LSU target's out of here trying to find a way back to Atlanta this year. maybe we'll see I'll see um I look I think this is a massive deal um Aaron for the most part on the show normally talks about how how like important is to quarterback to have elite weapons you lose a true New York Heisman elite weapon for the rest of the regular season if he comes back

maybe he comes back in the postseason maybe he's healthy I don't know they don't want to say like I'll tell you if he doesn't come back the season they won't win a national championship are you happy like is that what you want to get out of me because that's that That is exactly what I want to get. And I will say this. If they don't have Brock first LSU, which I, and I will continue to say it's week and week out until it's mathematically not possible. LSU is still my favorite team to make it to Atlanta to face Georgia.

If they don't have Brock in that game, LSU is going to be the SEC champs. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. There we go. That's, that tickle you? That's all. Look, that's all I want.

Jonathan Bursing, UJ, next fan up. Let's go. Okay. Next fan up, yeah. I mean, it's the attitude. But, you know, unless it's whoever the fuck Aaron just try to talk about from Springball. It ain't Brock Bowers. You know what I'm saying?

Like, give me that loss and lucky. Give me that loss and lucky. All right. Oh, by the way, this is very funny based on the me and Drake post that you made last week. It looks like we indeed did end up jinx of the dogs. I apologize. Nobody ever wants to see anybody get hurt. Let's dive into Colorado on Friday.

Aaron. So like I said, Friday, I ended up at a concert, which is interesting. I never go to concerts. It's very good time, though. Um, but when I last saw, Colorado was winning 29 to nothing. So like I'm going around the concert telling everybody fucking prime Colorado one. I hit my over four and a half wins bed. I'm just talking shit. And then I wake up Saturday morning and I am just mind blown by what I witnessed. And then I came back and I watch it. and a few things. First, I do want to credit, oh, my God, I'm a manner, right?

The receiver from Stanford and Troy Taylor's team, because, I mean, I've never seen a receiver take over a game in the manner that which he did end up going for three Hyundai, three tuts through the air, including that catch and overtime, where not only does he catch it around Travis Hunter, one of the best coming quarters of the country, he was clearly exhausted at the time. He catches around him.

and then he runs him five yards into the end zone. At any point, if Hunter could have like pushed his chest and thrown back his head, it would have been a fumble or would have been incomplete. But he was so dog tired and Aramander was so in his fucking zone that he just straight up carried this dude into the end zone along with the ball. And credit Stanford, but to me, Aaron,

this is the first time in which this was a bad coaching job. by Coach Prime. And look, there's, there's a more ephemeral, like, it was bad in the sense that Colorado's up 29-0 and they just kind of went to sleep. Like, they thought they had the game won and they just got to check down. Like, that's bad, could you? But, bro, he's got to stop taking the ball first and over.

He's got to stop taking the ball first and overtime. Like, why would you do that? It makes no sense. Was he doubling down? The opponent. I think he was doubling down. He was doubling down. Like, I didn't make a mistake that first game by doing that.

I think that was it. Rumor on the street. is that there's some analytical breakdown out there about how like the first team, uh, that 50% yeah, but it's statistically insignificant. It's not actually like an indicator. Why would you not want to know what you need to accomplish in order to win the football game?

Like why do that to yourself? No idea. No, no, no idea. It is, it is beyond silly. Like enough's enough. Like there were major coaching coaching issues there in the second half. Um, and, and one of them was was, yeah, like,

Travis Hunter was dead-ass tired. It first came back from a major injury, somewhat of a major injury, any injury is pretty big, and he's playing the entire game, and you saw him physically exhaust it. And that just shows you like how much they rely on him because they knew that, hey, like even a tired Travis Hunter who is nowhere near as good as we've seen, saw at the beginning of the season, can even cover this guy. And we don't have faith in what's behind him either, obviously from what we've seen from some of the backups at Colorado. So you feel bad for him for even having to be put into that situation throughout the game.

And then, you know, Shadur Sanders at the end of the game, too, and overtime. Like, you can't just throw a ball up like that in a situation where it's still tied up and you have an opportunity to make a field goal. And then all of a sudden. That's a, that's an exhausted Travis Hunter there because it's kind of funny. Like, if you're going to throw a jump ball, he's probably the best player in the country to throw one too because it's a bad throw like that. You would hope that Hunter could come back and break it up like he was on defense. But if you watch him, he is so, no, no, no, it's an awful throw. It's an awful throw.

But I'm just saying it's a testament to how tired Hunter was. He could not even get up the energy to stop his momentum, come back and try to fight for that ball. In the chat, too, they bring up the penalties in the game, 17 for 127. Well, and that's coaching as well. Penalties are direct reflection of coaching. There have been for how exciting Colorado has been. and how good of a coach I do think Dion is. He's still a young coach, man.

Exactly. There's going to be, I've seen plenty of coaches that have multiple more years of doing it on Dion that make mistakes. And hopefully he just learned from like, I think the worst thing is still the overtime. Like to look at yourself and not admit like I made a mistake the first go around and not to correct it, this second opportunity. I just think that's a it's a pride thing. At the end, it's a pride thing. And I don't know if it's ultimate pride in your son and who he is as a quarterback that you don't care because we're going to score anytime my son has

a football in overtime, he's got balls of steel and he's going to score a touchdown. I'm like, no, like you have to be a head coach in that situation. Put away your pride in your son and just say, I'm going to put my team in the best situation to win a football game. And that's taking the ball second in an overtime situation. Yeah, I think I think Bud Elliott nailed. did. I saw a clip on Twitter of him talking about it and he was just talking on the information edge that you give up when you take the ball first is just insane. And you all understand that

if you're listening to this podcast. But even to me, it's down to exactly what happened in the Colorado State game where like they should have gone for two. Colorado State should have. You had the initiative. You have the chance to end the game. Like you open that up for the opponent. Whereas if you're Colorado and you get it second, well, guess what? You can go take like if you're really so confident because that's what he said, right? He's confident during the office. If you're so confident, let him go second and then fuck, go for two. Yeah. Like, I'm with you.

Score and then go to end the game. So I, I think, I think he will, I think if he gets another OT, I have to imagine he will change, but, you know, maybe not. The other thing I do want to say about this game is, I do believe this is almost unlike any college football game I've ever seen in my life before. Yeah. Where I've seen giant comebacks, but I don't know that I've ever felt like I've seen it look that easy for one team or. early on and then flip in such an extreme manner. I mean, just a complete inverse where Colorado was just sleepwalking to the win. And the next thing, you know, they could not get shit going.

And then they couldn't stop Stanford. It was it unlike anything I've ever seen before. Was it true? Was, was, was Scherter tweeting at halftime, like selling T. Well, his like social media team was. Yeah, I mean, not him. He, bro, he didn't, you think Schroeder Sanders handling his merch shop and handle his merch shop.

I mean, he may have just been on his phone and press, you know what, feeling myself a little bit. Let me just post it. I don't know. Potentially, I, you know, I can't speak to, I haven't done the forensic analysis of who was on Shitter's phone at the time. That feels fucking wild to me. I mean, I, I know Dion obviously allows unparalleled access and allows a lot and

leans into a lot of things that traditional coaches are like, but like I can't fathom. How are you feeling about it? You think people are on their cell phones at halftime in Logger? Yeah. You think Dion lets that fly? Yes. I think most guys, yes. I was on my cell phone on halftime.

What the fuck? What kind of ship were you all running over there? If you were winning on your cell phone, we're winning big. That is. That is. Okay. Yeah, in the game. Never mind.

Maybe this is like old man, me, because I never saw a single motherfucker on his cell phone at a halts you. That'd be, you can, um, I've been bad trouble. I mean, the girl in the front row, I've been texting, you know, saw them in my DMs. I don't, you know, make sure I miss the trip back in time. Mark says,

Steve, I looks like somebody that's undecided about joining an Amish community or going into porn of that beard and stash. Relax, Mark, I can't get my fucking stash to connect. How do you feel about the four and a half? Are they going to get it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm not worried. I'm not worried at all. I'm a little bummed because the eight wins is now completely out the window. Yeah. But,

but, now, whatever. So it's a massive, hmm, it's a, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, they should have won. Well, and where we looked at the end, but where we should have won, right? Or where we think they should have won. Like, yeah, Arizona State, you lose that. Okay, you know, that's a way more established program. I don't think they're any good this year, but like, granted, that's not crazy. Stanford seemed to be in complete shambles. Mm-hmm.

This season. and Colorado was not, and you're at home. Yeah, which is, you know, obviously Arizona State's on the road. So just brutal all the way around. It's that time of the show. We do it almost every day. Could the Texas A&M Aggies or should they move on from Jimbo Fisher? And again, I know we've had this conversation a million times,

but it looks like the Aggies are once again just kind of, fumbling into a seven and five year. And, well, I have some new information. And a lot of this comes from my boy, Neil McClellan, who is, uh, is one of his side hobbies is just amassing shitty information about A&M. Here's a tweet from Greg Tepper. Aaron, do you want to hear Texas A&M's last 24 second half drives? So this is after having the big lead in Alabama, um, did they have lead at halftime against

Tennessee? I can't remember Yeah, there was 10 to 7 10 7. So taking leads into the second half in both games, here's what that Bobby Petrino offense did over the last 24 drives. Punt, fumble, punt, touchdown,

pick, field goal, fumble, punt, punt, miss field goal, fumble, interception, punt, punt, punt, misfield goal, safety. Field goal, punt, punt, punt, field goal, misfeelgo, interception, interception. What in the actual fuck?

Touchdown was fourth in that list. That's 20 consecutive drives in the second half without scoring a touchdown, much less the multitude of turnovers, the multiple misfield goals. That's Exhibit A on why Jimbo has to go. Exhibit B on the road in his career at A&M, Jimbo Fisher is 7 and 15. 7 and 15. And that includes goals. going four and one in 2020, seven and 15.

How the fuck are you going to pay someone $100 million to be seven and 15 and not even five, not even sniffing 500 and not get a 10 win season in six years. Not even snip in 500. Okay. So that's exhibit B. And then we got exhibit C. Now this comes from one of the main longhorn news people,

Kyle Oomlong. He's a good follow on Twitter actually, just all Texas stuff. He's awesome. But he loves to make fun of A&M. Tech fans do. Since joining the SEC, Texas A&M has spent $895 million on stadium and facility upgrades and guaranteed head coaching salaries. Over that time, since 2012, let's look at their win percentages. When they were in the Big 12, they had a win percentage of 52.7. Well, now in the SEC, after all that $900 million, it's a win percentage of 53.7.

So you literally got one percent better. And guess what? If you end up firing Jimbo and staff and hiring a new staff, that's going to be about $100 million extra dollars. You're closing in on a billion in a decade to go barely over 500. I mean, really unbelievable stuff. But as you can see, it is painfully clear. Jimbo, we told you early on, we told you very early on this season, but Jimbo's never going to be the answer there. And I think you brought a good point right there because someone in the chat said, who are you going to hire?

Well, of course, if you do get rid of Jimbo, you're going to get someone who you view as one of the best coaches in America, if you can get them, which I think A&M is a luxury job. Like I think a lot of coaches would view, hey, I get to go to the state of Texas with those resources. and a roster that is loaded right now. I had a couple tweaks,

and this team is ready to compete for a championship next year. Like, everything is mighty. Go to that team. Get my God, go on the team and see what happened. My goodness, this team is ready to go right now with the right staff, but you're going to have to do the buyout and the staff. And then that next coach you bring in is probably going to be fetching, what, $10 million, $9 to $10 million.

So it's not just the $70 million you're paying Jimbo. It's everything that's going to cost after that that goes into the equation. So you're talking more like Teabob said, $80, $85, $90 million if you decide to move off after Jimbo after this year. You've got to add in assistant salaries, both hiring and firing. I mean, you're closing in on a billion bucks. You're closing in on a billion dollar spent in a decade to be $500 in football. I mean, I kind of love it because it just proves the bad house shit crazy insanity

that are Tex A&M fans and they're just Uber wealthy. boosters. But I mean, yeah, yeah, I described this being stuck in purgatory because I didn't think they would make a move, but I don't know. It just seems like every time you think Texas NM can't go lower, can't get more disappointing, they find ways to do so. It looks like 7.5 this year. It's 7.5. So I still think a lot has to do with how Texas also finishes off this season. If Texas wins the big 12 and is in the playoffs, I think that once again, adds a lot of, you know, fuel to the fire of the discussion of, are we willing to, to depart with that money?

And also, you know, what coach are you going to bring in? I mean, would, would Elko come back? I would think so. Like, do you do, as Elko proved enough at Duke for us to, I mean, bro, I'd hire fucking Jamie Chadwell. Like, I'd hire almost anyone. Like, what do you mean? Who else you're going to bring in is such a flawed, dumbass argument?

Is that you're not firing Jim. Better. This isn't a matter of as a coach better. matter of is it worth the money? Like, are we going to see that much of a drastic change where it's worth the $90 million that's going to take to overhaul an entire coaching, coaching staff? That's the question. Are there coaches out there that are better than Jimbo?

Yes. Is it worth $90 million better? Like, is it that much? Are we going to bring in a guy that can win a, like, we feel like could win a championship in the next two or three years better for us to shell out $90 million? That's the question you have to live with. Well, but I don't know if it is, though, because I kind of feel like A&M fans are just done with Jimbo.

But, but I mean, I get everything. But again, yeah, I kind of feel like any of the guys we just name would be better. But Jimbo hasn't exactly set a high bar. He's significantly worse than Kevin Sumlin was. And you were, and you were very done with Kevin Summuntled. You have to get it to me, you have to know deep down inside you're getting a coach that is qualified to win a championship. No, like is urban in the conversation?

A&M does not, A&M does not need a word. A&M, A&M's been trying to go down that. There is no championship coach that you're going to get. Full stop. There's just not. You're going to have to take a shot on someone. I don't know if I'm going to take a shot on someone for $90 million. I'm not taking a shot on someone for $90 billion.

I have to know that I'm getting an elite coach that I faith in can win a championship in the next three years. you can't know that's an impossible ass and you're just going to be a little frozen bitch boy but i'm not taking a chance on elko i'm not taking a chance on elko i'm not taking a chance i'm not taking a night because it's a 90 million chance on an unproving coach then are you willing to take a 90 million dollar chance on elko i mean he's acc coach of the year so is jimbo fisher he just hired him but yeah no i mean i mean how bad do you want to win what are you an amy little broke boys or are you really do i mean where you really got it like that because you keep telling us you got it like that but what now now you can't fire him for

coach sex you know look i i i get what you're saying but aaron if that it but my point is if that is your logic you're never going to find anyone then you're not never yeah you're stuck with like the money is too much to get rid of him okay for someone that you don't know is going to be significantly better like if i bring it a guy in in two years he's eight wins nine wins that's still not good enough to justify the money that you spent i have to know i'm bringing in a guy that can win a championship. Again, that's so that doesn't exist though. That was Jimbo.

That was Jimbo. Yeah, it was. They gave him, they gave him the trophy with, they gave him a national championship trophy that just wasn't dated yet. So like you're, you're basically saying, I want to do the exact same logic that I just did on this last hire.

It's still the safest route. It's still the safest route. It didn't hit. Obviously, it's still the safest route. for that kind of money. When was A&M actually good under Jimbo when Elko was there.

Yeah. He's winning at Duke. I know. I'm still not to do. And doing it in a non-fluky way. I, I, mm, hmm. What's up y'all team?

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says it takes an name historically an 8 and 14. teams to understand the uproar. The uproars the money, the 900 million spent. Yeah. Trying to get good. All right. I just want to touch on UNC real quick. We don't really stay long here, Aaron.

But UNC absolutely just handles Miami this weekend. The 41, 31 score was not indicative of the game. Miami got a cheap score late to make it seem a little closer. It's actually wild. How much better the Tar Heels look with Tess Walker? Thank God. The NCAA finally got their shit together. and allowed Tess Walker to play football again.

Drake May looks like he's coming into his final form, the form he thought he'd see him coming in. How about this? How about this? Four touchdowns, four picks, the first three games for May, eight touchdowns, zero picks, the last three. Again, if this was Carson Beck, you'd be celebrated. I get it.

It's not, so you're not. And shout out Tess Walker, six catches, 132, three touchdowns, took over the game in the second half. I don't know exactly how much of a contender on the national stage. I believe UNC to be now they have that true number one receiver. What I do know is that I think they are very real in the ACC. And I think it's going to be UNC and Florida State in that ACC championship. All right.

I want to focus more first on the defense for North Carolina because that to me has been the most impressive thing. Like this defense is, is, is, like, night and day from where they were a year ago. I mean, you're number six in the ACC when points given up per game at 21 points right now. Like, this defense was, was the reason why they couldn't win games last season. Like, they were just couldn't get off the field. They couldn't stop anyone. Now of a sudden, you're seeing guys play extremely well on all three levels. Like, that's the reason why they're winning because I honestly, if I'm watching Drake this entire season,

Drake has been good. Yeah. But we set the bar as your potential top two pick in the NFL draft. He has not played to that level. I'm not saying he's played bad. I'm not saying he's played bad. But the bar is top two pick in the NFL draft. He has not looked like a top two pick in the NFL draft.

He's looked really good. And in the past two weeks, have probably been his best week. And I don't even think that he was anything special versus Miami. I think he was efficient. The numbers are good. He didn't turn the ball over. That's great.

But to me, that's the positive. I have a defense that is playing really well for North Carolina. I have now an elite receiver that's back that looks like now week two with Drake May is taking that step when it comes to the chemistry. And I have a quarterback that is still talent-wise, a top five pick in the NFL draft that hasn't played like that consistently this year. Like if Drake does turn that switch on and looks like the quarterback that he looked like last season, which we all know it's there, then yeah, this team can contend.

They can contend with Florida State. Why couldn't they? No, with Florida State, I'm saying, like, do you think they're a threat in the playoffs? They're a threat to make the playoff. If you win a, you're good enough. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Anytime you have, yeah. If you have a quarterback like that, you're always a threat to win a single game situation. Because if that quarterback plays like a top five NFL draft pick with an improved defense with elite playmakers on the outside, side, they can beat anyone in a one game situation. Man, what a good coach, Mac Brown is as well.

I mean, look at him, dude, goes to North Carolina. Nobody's really expected much. And it's been putting in pretty good work for years, but now it looks like it's all coming together for one of those special outlier years. And the best part about Brown is I really believe him. Remember, he did the TV thing for a while. He's made all his money.

Like, I actually believe him when he says that he just does this because he loves helping working with coaching and kind of shaping, you know, a generation of young men. Like I really think Mack Brown is just in this because he loves the game and he loves work with young men and he loves teaching him and it's awesome to see him have so much success because of that. Watch out now though. You're saying Drake ain't playing like that number one pick. Just watch out now.

Watch out now. Drake May. What do NFL scouts love when it comes to quarterback? giant white guys. And he is the giantist of all white guys, Aaron. Yes. And he's his letter.

Yeah, exactly. And he can run around. Once you know, Drake is playing good football. It's just the bar has been set high. And I think he can still get there this season. He has six games left. Drake is more than capable of going on a run.

I mean, you look at his stats this year. I mean, they're still good, 1900 yards, 12 touchdowns, four interceptions. He's playing good.

He's not playing. He's not playing high. He's been like, right now. And I think that's what we were expecting this season. Yeah, but like you said, that's great from North Carolina that they're doing so well and he's not because he is refining his form. Make no mistake.

The last three games have been significantly better in the first three. Chris Cobb in the chat says Dan Campbell is the best tied in at Texas A&M and him and Terry Glenn are Aggie Legends. Definitely can bring him home to Aggie Land. Plus, Dan loves his school. Absolutely. Dan Campbell is becoming a Detroit living. legend. The Detroit Lions are five and one right now. The NFL is infinitely more desirable to coach

in than his college. You have actual contracts, right? You don't have to, I mean, whatever, we all know. The NFL's his way, but like, if Dan Campbell left Detroit to go to Texas A&M, that would be the most concrete indicator of the full depths of the Texas A&M cult that I could possibly imagine because it's a decision that defies all logic like drinking Kool-Aid to kill yourself with your boys right like you have to pay him 15 million dollars you have to pay him a lot of money a lot of money there's not enough money he would not agree he would not do it yeah maybe after I get fired I'll go back there right if it goes wrong in Detroit eventually but like I ain't leaving the cushy NFL where I'm beloved in the city

if I don't have to. So shout out UNC though. I think UNC and FSU clearly the ACC class. All right. Well, that brings us then to this week's Snap's top 10 and let's give it up for our boys. Not only does Michael Pinnock Jr. rocket to the top of the Heisman conversation

after just an unreal performance in the Pacific Northwest on Sunday, excuse me, Saturday. but the Washington Huskies, your snaps, top 10, number one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. What do you mean? We can't take Oklahoma out of number one. Who had a better win at a neutral site.

I don't think Texas is as good as either of those teams. Texas can fuck off. You're obsessed with Texas. I don't think they're as good. We had Texas is number one on our list for two weeks. So no, we're not putting Washington. We're not putting Washington. We're not that impressive.

We're not putting Washington at one. We're not taking Oklahoma after winning a football game against our number one team on our ratings out of the spot because they had to buy it this week. On a neutral site, Washington was at home. So no, you put Washington at two if you want, but Oklahoma stays at one. Washington has had a more impressive six games in Oklahoma's has, true or false. Washington's dominant. Oklahoma has the better win. Oklahoma is the better win.

Oklahoma's a better win. And I mean, that's a very opinionated thing. The only reason why I may be inclined to agree with that sentence is because the home and neutral side factor. But even then, better win. But I said six games. Washington has handled their opponents much better than Oklahoma has over those six games. I ain't got no 27 battle with Cincinnati. I gave in to you last week by moving Oklahoma the one.

I'm not going to take them out of the spot. You can put Washington in at two if you want. This is crazy. This is crazy. We had Washington at one earlier this year, didn't we? No, we've never had Washington at one. We've never had Washington in our top five. Not once.

Not one damn time. No, we had them in the top five for sure. You tripping. No, we didn't. Yeah, you tripping. Nope. All right. So Washington won, Oklahoma 2.

No, Georgia 4. No, fuck off. Oklahoma 1. You can put Washington 2 if you want. Who wins today of Oklahoma and Washington play? You can't do that because I, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not, no, no, no, that's not, that's not true necessarily, because the problem is, you ask that question, and you assume I think George is going to win, but I don't. Like, I don't think George's Michigan, and I still think Michigan's the best team in the country right now, but who wins for, Michigan and Washington or Oklahoma.

No, yeah. So then let's put Michigan at one. That's true. No, I don't want to do that because they just, I mean, again, they're awesome. Michigan now the first team I want to say in the AP era, so it's 30s on, first team ever to in their first seven games, score at least 30 and allow 10 or less. Dude, so like the crazy Alabama teams, like none of that. I don't even think anybody's had a goal to go situation.

That's what I was saying. Dave and they've not had a first and goal situation go against them yet this season. what the fuck that is great okay okay okay so ok Oklahoma one Washington two I can do to interest you at Washington one Michigan three Georgia four no okay okay okay yeah I can agree with that I can agree that and then I think we got to go FSU at five yes okay oh hi and state seven I mean God talk about fucking boring why is the big Tim so boring At least one of the outside the top 10 It should like it should it should be better

Big 10 you need to be better Like it just kind of less Thank God I want to Washington coming into the big 10 next year Yeah sure that's going to be tired I mean two very good teams I would like to jump North Carolina above any other one lost team

If it's them and FSU for the ACC It's everything we just talked about They have a like you said Aaron they're a contender they have a you know potential top two quarterback a defense that's playing pretty salty then i have a number one receiver i mean yeah but organ and texas both have losses to our top two teams in the country i just it's it's hard for me to forget and both of them were last possession last plays of the game situations so you want to go organ and texas and then have u and c round out the top ten yes and let me guess you want to put texas ahead of oregon

No, no, I had Oregon 8, Texas 9. Oh, really? Why is that? I'm just curious. I mean, I know you're a little longer. Because I was more impressed with Oregon going on the road and in my mind should have won that football game on the road on the road in a hostile environment. Oh, yeah, I forgot. You're the same human being that went and uttered that I still think Oregon's a better football team.

I do. Even though watching is now beating them two years in row in Eugene and in Washington. But sure, but sure. Fuck it. I mean, because why is the football matter? Or like who wins? It doesn't. Or why does the fact that Washington also?

Why is what is it also, you know, the fact that Washington had like a goal line, fourth down play, go or I and not score? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, right? That's that works. Oregon's better. It works. Bo Nix is just the better quarterback even though.

No, I didn't say that. I don't say that. I don't say that. No, Bo is not the better quarterback. No. That never came out of my mouth. Okay. I'm just making sure.

Let's make sure. Andy Jay with a $5 super chat. Miss the show. Have you guys are killing. Give me some hopes for this weekend against Alabama. Go big orange. Andy, look big weekend for your balls getting the dub against, um, against A&M.

I'm not going to lie. I'm a hater. And I thought that A&M's defense was going to shut you all down. And I didn't think that Joe Milton would be able to do enough. Showing it didn't do enough. It was nothing to do with Joe. No, well, so, so I was going to say. Nothing to do with you.

So that's what I was getting at is like almost none of that was wrong, except that once again underestimated just how shitty the Tex A&M Aggies could be offensively. Yeah. I mean, Max Johnson, I still think he's a good court, got obliterated almost every single time he dropped back. First off, the center sucked. Can you, can you do a clinic on how to snap a football? Because Max Johnson's back is going to break from having to catch 50% of the snaps at his feet.

Well, how about when the guard, it's fourth down and the guard steps on Max Johnson's foot The offensive line for A&M, how can you be that? Wait, okay, so here's a big. Tennessee's ability to rush it too was surprising to me. To 232? No, I mean, but that's the thing. We knew that that's what Tennessee was. It's who they've been all year, but it's just like we thought that the A&M front seven

would be dominant enough to shut that down and we were very wrong. Here are the Texan NM O line pass blocking grades from the Tennessee game. Right guard, Layton Robinson led the way with a 59.8. Left guard Cam Dewberry, 58.2. The left tackle was at 45. The left guard, 42. The right tackle graded out at a 23. The sinner graded out at a 16%.

And then I don't know how many plays Demetrius Crown overplayed, but he got a zero, a zero. I've never heard of that. I mean, if you play multiple plays, you normally just luck into a plus. You can't, you can't just like maybe help on a guy then push a guy past the quarterback,

a literal zero. So yeah, Texan, him, shout out to Andy Jay for the big win in Neal and I can tell Bamma this week. I mean, there's always a chance.

It's going to, Alabama, Alabama ain't going to blow anyone away. Arkansas almost just went to Tuscalo. Arkansas almost just went to Tuscalo and won. Like, Alabama. You what happened at the end of that game?

turned it off when it was like 24 to 6 or whatever. What happened in the end of that game? Alabama is a big play team. It's either big play or they ain't going to move the football. The offense line ain't good. So like why can't Tennessee who has been really good defensively on the defensive line hold up against Alabama? If Arkansas can't, I think Tennessee, any game versus Alabama this year,

if you're a decent football team, you can make it interesting. There's always a chance because they ain't going to run away with it. Alabama is a team that's going to score in the 20s. Joe Milton's a problem. it's going to be a low scoring game. It's going to be the complete opposite of what it was last year. What was it, 55, 54, whatever. Yeah.

Crazy. Yeah, that's awesome. To me, this game could be like awful depth charge of a kick to win the game. 20 to 14. It continues to run the ball. You know, it's exactly the exact same recipe as against his A&M team.

Like, if you can't, like, you overcame the A&M front seven. Dallas Turner and Bama's front seven is a little bit better. if you can't overcome that, you're, you know, and you put in Joe Milton's hands. Well, yeah, Joe Milton's not going to be able to win you the game. But shout out Tennessee. Now has one of the longest home winning streaks in the entire country, I want to say. And again, this is my point with Tennessee. If I'm a Tennessee fan and maybe you're like, I don't know if Tennessee fans agree with this,

I don't need Tennessee necessarily to win the East or anything this year. Like this is a year in which you don't have a great quarterback. If you're telling me that I've now reached after 15 years of just shit football, that I've reached a point where I can not have a quarterback and we're going to go like nine and three, maybe 10 and three with a bowl game, be the second best team in the east. Like, okay. Like that's still a massive fucking win for Josh Hyblum company. I don't know if they're going to do that because Mazu may be the second best team in the east.

We will see. But, um, but I thought, I thought Saturday. was a really big win for the balls kind of proving that no no no that what we're not one year wonders we're not going to immediately take a step back and we will be a consistent upper class team uh nowadays in modern i think it's eight wins this year i think if tennessee gets to eight wins this year that i would view that as a good season like i don't think that's like they need nine and three dude i kind of feel like they need nine and three eight and four is a bit too pedestrian you know you put a hundred thousand in knoxville you got the great you got to be missouri no i know that's what it's

you would have known that I was going to be so fucking hype for the Tennessee Missou game but here I am I'm fired up dude fired up mm-hmm all right um could show good times Chris Cobb says he's guys rocked they'll give him a studio instead of where they're at hey look you know hey smash the like people smash the like uh trying to get the 7k soon come on help the boys out in all seriousness Okay, final top 10, here it is. Number 10, UNC, 9, Texas, 8, Oregon, 7, Penn State, 6, Ohio State, 5, FSU, 4, UGA, 3, Michigan, 2, Oklahoma. And I'm just going to 2, 2, Washington, and number 1, Oklahoma.

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