The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Snaps - Will Deion Sanders & Colorado move to Big 12? Nick Saban's issues with NIL

Episode Date: June 1, 2023

Aaron Murray and T-Bob Hebert discuss whether they expect Deion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes to move from the Pac-12 to the Big 12. Later, they react to Nick Saban's comments on NIL creating an uneven playing field as it morphs into pay-for-play. #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. Hello, everybody. Welcome in to a brand new episode of Snaps, your favorite daily college football podcast. I'm one of your host, Eobabair, joined as always by QB1, my wonderful co-host, Mr. Aaron Murray. Aaron, what's up, man?

How are we feeling today? What's going on? Another beautiful sunny day. And the pack is slowly dying. So we'll break it down some more today, but just puts a smile on my face, I guess. I'm just an asshole. What a weird and negative, awful way to start the show.

I know. Just celebrating the death of a conference that was once beloved. What, just because you can't relate to it because you're not from the West Coast. I'm sure if you grew up on the West Coast and you're a fan of college football, yeah, you got some positive memories with the Pack 12. There were some good times in there, man. There's been some good Pac-12 champions. What percentage of people in the Pac-12 were all the West Coast a la, a la, California,

actually have any idea that they're about to lose the Pac-12. So I get it what you're getting at. But for the people that doesn't care, it doesn't make it any less upsetting. So I feel you. It arguably is not a large number of people. The West Coast are not exactly your college football P1s, but there are people out there who are going to be upset about the Pact 12th die. Look at her guy, Clint Moses. Because like, okay, what happens to the beavers, right?

Oregon State Beavers been awesome. You know, they've really started to flourish here to home as of late. But I don't know, will they? If you're talking about a big four where there's going to be 16 team conferences and already looks like they're beginning to take shape, which we're about to get into here in a second, I don't know. I don't know. I just don't understand why you have become so bloodthirsty for the death of the Pac-12.

Like, I too can accept it as an eventuality, but I don't know that I want to sit here and champion it. Like I'm not pissing on them as they're sitting here dying like you, Pierp. No, no, no, I am in favor. I said it yesterday for another reason. This is just another reason to kind of the cherry on top. I want 2024 to be the future of college football. That's why I want the ball to get rolling.

I want the first of the dominoes already fell last year. USC, UCLA leaving the Pact 12 going to the Big Ten next season. That was the first domino. Next domino most likely is going to be Oregon-Wy. Washington. Next domino is probably going to be Colorado and Utah. Like it's just, I don't want it to be a two-year thing. I want it to be this summer. It happens. 24. Big 12 is the big 12. Big 10 is Big 10. SCC. SEC, SEC, ACC, ACC, and we're done with it. So that's the only reason why I'm pushing the narrative right now is I don't want this thing to drag out. I want it to happen here in the next two months. Look, I feel you in that if the four, corners fall, right, which is what we're going to start today's show on, prime to the Big 12. But the four corners in the Pack 12, we've talked about it before on the show. It's the Big 12 is targeting.

And it's Colorado. It's Arizona. It's Arizona State and it's Utah. Two of those feel very exciting right now. And Arizona and Arizona State bring a lot of value outside of football and always with the potential to be pretty good in football. If you can get, at least Arizona State maybe, if you can get the right person there. Arizona could be interesting.

Whatever. The point is, if I feel you, like if the four corners fall and they join the Big 12, yes, there is definitely something more numerically pleasing about four conferences as opposed to five. And at that point, you would have a 16 team big 10. You'd have a 16 team SEC, a 16 team big 12. And then what would the, how many teams are in the ACC right now? Do you know off the top of your head, ESB and commentator Aaron Murray? 12 correct okay so I guess in a weird world is maybe that where an Oregon state finds its way does Oregon I'm not oh so they're already have 14 so I feel you like that that that would seem to make more sense but this idea of I want college football to be as it's going to be I think is another somewhat fundamentally flawed concept and we'll discuss that today when we talk about Nick Saban.

Because as we are learning more and more college football is always going to be evolving. The only constant is going to be change, especially in this new era. So you may say, oh, I just wanted to get it to how it's going to be. And I feel you. It's a 2020-forging, but they're still going to be constant movement. And I can't pretend to know how this is all going to play out. So let's start with Colorado and Coach Prime. um oof clint moses says organ state doomsday scenarios uh the narratives that you end up in the sky

that would be all but we don't need to go no no no matt clipp moses uh organ state organ states to the mount west it's okay you go to mount west it's a good good group of five conference but i mean that's that's a good point i mean you feel like an asshole if if if if the the the the the the the pact twelve does kind of go by by and the Big 12, you know, listen, you can't just take everyone. Like, you just can't grow to grow. I mean, there has to be enough money to go around that the current members aren't upset. There has to be a value to adding more schools. Does Oregon State maybe add value? I don't know from a financial standpoint. So there may not be room for them. And there may be a

situation where you should see teams like that move to a group of five conference. Yeah, I mean, to be clear, I don't think the Big Ten, the Big Ten got you to see and So I don't know if they need any other West Coast, even if you're talking more about, well, I mean, they're going to take Oregon and watch. Yeah, especially if they get Oregon and Washington. Yeah, then they're going to have no need, unfortunately, for Oregon State. And it's the same reason why they're targeting these different geographic areas with the four corners. If the Big 12 does get the four corners, you are talking about the first, you want to talk about entering an age of mega conferences, that would be the first college football conference with teams in all four time zones. So the Big 12 would actually be the most national of any of the college football

conferences. Why are we talking about all of this? Because it is now being reported on just how deep these Colorado talks have been, which we always were kind of rumored. I don't know that we had confirmation though until these last couple of days when it came out and is being reported by CBS as well as others that Colorado has been in substantive talks with the big 12 about joining the league um they've been having face-to-face meetings Aaron over the course of several months and even to the point where we now know the detail that at least that's being reported that Colorado would immediately get an equal media right share of 30, $11.7 million beginning in 2025.

Why that is significant, BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF, the teams that joined this year, do not get that full share immediately, right? So it kind of shows you that they're coming from different areas of leverage and negotiation, like those other schools are going to get it over the course of a couple of years. They'll get up to full member status,

whereas to get, and it really shows you like what Dionne Sanders alone has done for the Colorado brand, right? Because you would have, like, I would really love to see what the interest level would be in Colorado if Dion were not there. Would you be going so far as to guarantee them these things like a full share? Would you care if you're talking about a 111, Colorado? So already we once again see the benefits of having coach prime as the figurehead of your school. Well, he has reshaped the future of Colorado football. Like there's someone in the comments said that, you know, Colorado won't be good this year.

B morale said Colorado is going to be bad this year. They're not going to be worse than they were last year. I'll tell you that. They ain't going to be one in 11. You know, so you can't be much worse. I do think this is a team that is, I would say,

four to five wins is a good spot for them, which is a huge improvement from last season. And if you get four or five wins in his first year, as you continue to rebuild this, as he's already doing a great job doing that, essentially wiping out the entire roster. bringing in a new roster of four and five star guys. They're doing great in the recruiting channel right now.

Then you throw in the fact that you're going to be in the big 12 on top of that. Colorado to me, I don't know what it is. They feel more like a big 12 team than a pack 12 team. And I think it's a good for them. Obviously, yeah, it just feels like a big 12 team. So I think there's a smart move. And it goes back to what he said the Dion effect is real. It has been, it is, it is touched every single aspect of that program.

from the fan base to dollars for NIL opportunities, dollars when it comes to ticket sales, recruits, and now possibly moving to a new conference and even more money for the university. He is worth every damn penny that they have paid him to get him to be the head coach of Colorado. Yeah,

yeah, they're more relevant than ever. I mean, when we talk about them, our numbers go up. And we are a, you know, somewhat like kind of regional,

SEC mainly college football show. Now, we have big plans to expand that. And obviously, I give you your corn hub kernels as often as we can. We have more corn hub kernels coming today. But I like the idea of what you're talking about in that what Colorado feels like. Because I agree, they just seem to fit into the Big 12 better. You know who else does? Utah, honestly, right? Would you not rather see Utah going toe to toe with TCU and uh you know all these are the big 12 suits because i i feel like that sounds way more fun uh than what they're doing currently arizona arizona state made you feel a little out of place but i think in other sports um you're going to see benefits there look all i know is if you do add those four

that's a great league and the big 12 has won great lead after they bet after being stabbed in the back left for dead bleeding out on the ground begging the pack 12 to save them the big 12 sutured themselves up like john wick style just kept dragging their broken body along and now they are back on top and they look like they're what's it's a cultural thing what it is it is it is the big 12 football just means more to that region and that's this plain and simple like you have two you had you had two conferences on life support you're the pack 12 who lost their you know two of their bigger brands especially USC when it comes to to football in their their biggest market in los angeles the big 12 loses their two major brands are two the biggest

Branson College Football in Texas, Oklahoma. The kind of discussion was, could either of them survive this loss? Could either of them would even make it to the new 2024 forging of college football? And the Big 12 kind of put it together, figured it out, and it's making it happen right now. But I think it's because of the group of people that live in those states and football just mean something to them. I started the show by talking about the death of the Pac-12. Part of the reason is, one of the main reason why they're not getting a TV deal is because

people don't watch Pactole football. There isn't that love, that desire to show up and fill the stadiums. I mean, UCLA, you made fun of me the other day about UCLA, T. Bob. UCLA was having one of their better years they've had in the past decade and they had 15,000 people in the stands in the most historic stadium in America with a really good football team that was on the on the map when it comes to possibly contending to win for a Pacti championship. They could barely get 10, 15,000 people in the stance. So like, yeah, it's, it's, it's not the Pact 12's fault necessarily. It's the fans fault. They're the ones that are killing the conference. The big 12 fans are still showing up the games. Yes, culturally, there is a major difference, obviously between the south and the west

coast and the southwest and, and caring, um, about football. I wonder, is, hmm, I mean, but, but then there, there, I guess actually that I was going to say there's time. disadvantages because when you have to play the game there's actually one thing but that is the one thing that also that is also ironically the pack 12's great strength is that you get pack 12 after dark where even if it's not the most exciting game you're still going to at least do X amount of numbers you know a milly or two simply because there's no other college football on at at the time um look it's unfortunate I was of the opinion when we had the article a few months ago where Arizona school president was out here talking about how a deal is about to get done, and it's probably

better than you think I was of the opinion that maybe we were wrong in the PAC 12 was going to pull their own Hail Mary, but with these recent Colorado reports, they appear dead in the water. So we will up to see over time. So that's some of the news in the air, Dion and Prime, you know, Prime in Colorado. By the way, again, if you are a fan, if you're a college football sicko and you love the Sickos committee. Just remember, there is no bigger sicko game than Nebraska, Colorado to start the season. Two objectively awful programs that we will be locked into sold out, packed house, great. It's going to be so sick, too. Let's go Buffalo.

Live on. Let's go both. Fox. Both, both. It's the big new, it's the big noon kickoff. Correct. Week one and week two, big noon Colorado games, TCU and Nebraska. Wow. I mean, Prime, dude. Prime. You know what prime time is? Whenever Prime is playing, okay? That's prime time, literally, as we're going to find out this fall. The SEC meetings are going down in Destin right now. It's a great chance for all these people to go vacation a little bit,

kind of get out, a little work conference, and it's provided us with a, with a good trickling of news, I would say, right? The battle lines are being drawn in terms of eight or nine game schedule, some of these other topics. I hated that Kirby Smart called us out yesterday, basically saying he thinks that's the biggest non-topic and that if y'all are having a right about that, that we're down bad. Okay, Kirby, fucking relax, okay? We have content to fill. We are a year-round college football podcast. How about this? How about y'all get your fucking head out of your asses and you go ahead and solidify the nine-game schedule and then we have nothing to talk about? How's that for

bulletin-board material, Kirby? What does your boy, Brian Kelly just step up in front of everyone and tell me at their head of that He did. He's only won that right now. Like I feel good about that's actually like, wants this thing to move in the right direction. And it is relevant. Like, you know, listen, Kirby, love you big guy. Thank you for the championships. But careful, dude. It is a big deal. Like people want to know, people want an extra game. Like maybe it doesn't mean much to you guys for, for, you know, you're scheduling because at the end day, it's all, all you guys care about is wins and losses. Like I can't blame them for it. But. But,

But for the average fan, they want to be entertained. This is an entertainment business and fans want to watch premium product every single weekend. So yes, it is a big topic for the general public. They want to know, are we going to have an opportunity to watch an extra game every single year that actually means something and not some BS game against some, you know, Sally struttard school that you're going to blow in the first half? So it is a topic. Uh, yeah, I mean, hmm, yeah, but okay, okay, so do you want to know the dirty secret though?

Why kind of agree with Kirby and I, and I really don't want to bring it up yesterday. I think I kind of mumbled it. Just that, if anything, we probably just end up with a one year placeholder, right? And you probably do one more year of eight games and then in 25, you go to nine. So like, I don't know. I don't know. Well, we'll wait and see where it goes. The other news that came out yesterday, though, imagine this.

Nick Sabin back in the news, once again, being. soft. Here's some quotes from Nick Saban. Name, image, and likeness is a good thing for players to be able to make money. But when it turns into pay for play, now you're getting into a different area. And then he would go on and talk about, you know, with if, well, I made a statement years ago and got very criticized for it. Is this what we want college football to become?

So now it's kind of becoming that. I don't think it's going to be a level. playing field because some people are showing a willingness to spend more than others. Wow. Okay, there's a lot to impact here. Um, first off, very interesting that Sabin would reference the last time. He said, is this what we want football to become? When about 10 years ago in October 2012, a spread offices came into the SEC and Hugh freezing uptempo was beating him. He asked that same question, is this what we want college football to come. And you know what the answer is here? Absolutely. That's a fucking

looting. Uh, the fans love it. They love spread off it. It is 100% what they wanted college football to become. So on one hand, interesting to bring it up in that sense, but like, that's just the fundamental flaw in everything that I just read out of Nick Saban's mouth is the implication that things were ever equal to begin with that they've ever been equal. Like this man really set up there and said, quote, I don't think it's going to be a level playing field because some people are showing a willingness to spend more than others. Nick, that is rich. You put a barber shop in your football ops simply because you could because you had money and needed to spend it on something to attract players. Like, what are we talking about?

That has every like everything in life, college football has always rewarded those who are both willing. and have the money to spend. So it's not like things are really changing. It's just the latest stage in evolution. The same way that the uptempo office was just, offense was just the latest stage of evolution. So I just, I don't really understand what Nick Saban's endgame is here.

It doesn't make any sense to me. No, it went from, you know, who had the bigger shiny facilities and indoor and wait room to now that plus, obviously the spending when it comes to NIL opportunities for these kids. too. So like it's just it's the next iteration. It's the next thing. He also brought up,

I believe the fact of, you know, I wouldn't mind us getting to almost the NFL model, getting a union, getting it to an equal playing field where everyone gets paid the same, essentially putting these kids almost on salary where, hey, you commit to a D1 university, power five. Here's your salary for the year. I don't know what you would do with NIL at that point because I would still think as the NFL, yeah, you get your salary. but you can still go get a deal on top of that as well. So like does that even slow it down anyways? If you're going to be,

if you're willing to pay maybe then the boosters will say, okay, if these kids are getting X amount of dollars, I don't feel like my money needs to go to the players. I'd rather go to the facilities. I don't think that would happen. I still think it'd be the same way though. Yes? No, I mean, you, you, you fucking nailed it, Aaron.

Like like you nailed the other big disconnect in all of this. Because you're right. He goes on to talk about unionized, employee salary caps, which all sounds good. on the surface, right? But as you said, um, salary cap doesn't actually change anything that's going on now.

What's funny about saving talking about a salary cap is he's basically exposing the very thing he's decrying. He's decrying pay for play. And yet with him talking about a salary cap, he's telling you that he feels like he is generating the money to pay these players. That although technically it's coming from businesses that Alabama is in charge. So like, okay, you want a salary cap? That's all well and good, but can you stop players in the NFL from doing commercials?

Right? Like, like you said, like that all the salary cap would do would be money in addition to endorsements, right? Yeah. Like, okay, I can sign with Alabama. I can get my 100K under the salary cap. But then is that going to stop the biggest like the guy that owns Buckeys, Texas A&M guy. What's going to stop him from wanting to give $5 million to the number one quarter? a bag in the nation to push buck nuts like it so it doesn't actually address the issue at all all it

does is exposed that yeah it all is pay to play right now but like like boosters and businesses will always be able to pay these players to advertise so so i so even that doesn't really solve the issue at all no no there's no it was somewhat dirty and about money before now it's just legal and a lot more about money and there's no changing at this point. Like there's nothing you could do. It is, it is, I don't know if it's a crying call to his boosters because I know he's had some comments in the past about it, about essentially they're not keeping up with say the A&Ms of the world that are willing to spend big time money to incentivize kids in the portal

and in high school ranks to come to A&M or Texas or whatever it may be, these states that do care about football a ton and do have some deep pockets. you just have to sell a different narrative. And listen, it's not, Alabama's not hurting in the recruiting show. They've gotten top transfer kids in. They had the number one recruiting class in America. Like what they're doing now with maybe not as much money as maybe Nick Sabin would like on the NIL front is still working. I think at the end of the day, like to me, I think these kids are still smart enough that like I think we do at times overblow NIL where we think these kids are just.

super, super greedy. Like, yes, there are some that just care about the money. I still think if you had to do a poll of rank in order why you're going to X university, it would be still one for the football. Two would be for the NIL. I think football is still one. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. I think that's very interesting that you say that. I think it's like literally anyone else in life. I think it's different for high school. I think it's different from high school to the portal. I think kids in the portal, maybe a little bit more established, would say NIL looking to go get a buck. I still think kids in high school are more looking for where can I go play football, play now, get to the NFL. The problem is if they're a beast,

the best schools are also the ones that will pay the most money, right? So me and you could watch the same big high school commit to. Alabama has struggled in NIL. They have struggled. They have struggled with NIL. I mean, is that true? Sayb was as Chats point out. George has out of your bragging about price. That's one player though. Bryce is different.

Georgia is not Georgia struggled with NIL. That's struggle. I'm not, okay, struggling is the wrong world there. Compared to you. They're not struggling to say Texas, who took A.D. Mitchell to A&M. Like there are universities that are spending big, big, big time dollars. to get players. And I think Georgia and Alabama are kind of saying Nick Sabin and Kirby Smart have the mentality of

that's great and all. But we want guys that play football, love football, one-to-win championships want to go to the NFL. Like if I'm, I'm going to need this shit. I'm going to need this shit. I'm going to need some hard numbers on this. Because I do not buy this on a man-to-man basis. You will always be able to find individual exceptions like a bear Mitchell or an AD or Bear, or Bear, what's, Bear Alexander or AD Mitchell. Like you'll always be able to find because Georgia has so many talented guys that, yeah, they can have a freshman D. Lyman that would immediately become the best player on USC's defense, but was like the fifth best player in Georgia's. Like he's not going. So like, I don't know, man.

I don't, I think the Georgia, I think Georgia and Alabama are doing just fine. They're doing good. They're doing good. They are. I'm not saying they're lacking once again. I'm just saying there are other brands that are doing better. And that is what worry saving. which at the end day i don't think it should i don't i think there's plenty of great town out

there that could still go to alabama maybe take a little bit of a pay cut and set themselves up better for the future which the smart kids would rather do that i would i would take i would take a hundred k at alabama georgia instead of 150 200 k at a and m not 200 k not 200 k not 200 k Yeah. Well, that's fucking bad business. So you should go to college to get fucking smart. It's not bad business. Yes, it is. It is. It is. We say bad business. We have plotted sly yesterday for being good business by taking a pay cut from CBS to build the brand of the SEC and now look what happened. Same thing with players. You take the pay cut. You go to a place that develops you and you turn to a first one NFL draft pick where you get. it multi, multi millions of dollars. I would take that pay cut to go to Alabama or Alabama or Georgia. That is fair.

Um, but you're still getting the 100 K and the first question you're asking is still what is the NIL offers again, as it should be. One of the first questions you ask getting any job is what is the number, right? Because that's what's going to determine whether or not I'm going to uproot my family, whether or like it. That's just, that's just how the world works. And I thought Lane Kiffin had some. really good comments. He's just very honest about everything. He's like, that is what kids care

about. It's, it's NIL. What am I going to get NIL-wise? That's going to be the first question matter what used to be facilities. That's what's going on now. I think that's, like I said, I think that makes sense. I think it's the same thing I would do. I think it's the same thing 99% of people do. And although, Aaron, you're right, you're right, especially going with Slive yesterday, the example of him. It was a great point. Maybe it's not always the most shrewd mood to just take the money, but the vast majority of human beings are going to take the 200K over the 100K. And I don't, I don't blame them. I don't think that's bad.

I think that, again, like all this stuff, like going back to what Sabin said, right? Is this what we want college football to be? I don't know what college football is going to be. Who knows? I mean, we have been talking about fundamental changes to the fabric of the game and the foundation itself, like seismic. type of changes. What I do know is that college football is going to continue and I'm going to continue to love it. Right. And it'll be better in some ways from my perspective. It'll be worse in

some ways from my perspective. And you'll have other people who will view the same things just and interpret them the complete opposite way, right? Um, like so when Nick Saban says, is this when we're college football to become. The answer is that our wants are irrelevant. It is what college football is becoming. And college football will become what it is meant to be. And so at this point, we have to go back to our junior high economics classes and just trust in the invisible hand of Adam Smith, like trust in the market that everybody seeking their own best self-interest will in the end lead to a better overall product. And much like the invisible hand, yes, will it promote corruption, greed, oligarchy? Yeah, absolutely. But it's what leads us to

for super conferences. It's what leads us to USC, Ohio State late in November. It's what gives us LSU, Texas in October. Like, this is how that all happened. So like everything else in life, it changes and it gets new. And I guess you just have to hope that in your view, it gets better. But I know I'll be here for the show, no matter what, because I love it. And I'm not going anywhere.

So it doesn't really matter what I want. college football to be. There's no stopping. No. It's for coaches, too. For Nick Sabin and Davo and other coaches, and we kind of gave some shade yesterday to Eli Drinkwitz there at Missouri, which really didn't deserve it. You just, I mean, as much as you can,

just don't talk about it, which is hard because it's going to be a part of every interview you do. But, man, you better be positive, positive, that, hey, NIL's great. our kids are getting paid. I love it. Love the fact that kids are getting paid. It's a new college football. And you put a damn good twist on it because, you know,

as I said, kids still want, kids want football. They do want to get paid too. And if they can get both, they're going to get both. Which, according to Clint Moses,

CBS Recruit Spinning reports at Georgia, number one, spending $4.5 million dollars in their recruiting efforts. Michigan three. That's different than NIL. I know. I know I but but but the thing is the thing is it's not though it's the same shit I was just talking about

this idea of Nick say me like now the people who are willing to spend the more are going to win the most it's always fucking been that way Nick is always spent money in recruiting Nick has been exactly exactly and so don't tell me that I am struggling in NIL when they're spending more money or recruiting than anybody else the university is any more money on the university the university the university no I get it I get what you're trying to stay okay What I'm saying is that functionally, it doesn't matter. Technically, different streams. I get what you're saying.

And that money's not going directly into players bank accounts, but it is representative of the overall buy-in from the Georgia ecosystem right now. And buying is unstoppable because as we talk about, you have the right general at the helm and he's leading to a golden age. So no, Georgia, whoever spends the most will always be the best. It just is like anything else in life. And it's never been any different. It won't be any different Nick Saban.

So shut the fuck up and play nine games, dude. The hell, man. You're the one that's making this so hard for no reason. You know what he is? You know what he is? Put your foot down, Sanky. Just make it happen. Let's go.

He's getting old. Nick is, dude. You know, he's getting old, man. I did this on my earlier show today. Two questions. Over under. a half championship for Nick Sabin in the rest of his career over under four and a half years before he retires he'll be 70 to this October I can't imagine a world without Nick

Saban so I I you know okay I've been watching a lot of succession lately and I'm in the middle season three I'm not on the finale so nobody please don't spoil anything if you're in the chat right now that be sure but God well Okay, relax. So good. But, uh, but uh, but I am. I am. I am.

But, uh, wait, why am I am? The, the fuck. The head man. Kendall's dad. What's the main character? Logan Roy. Thank you. Oh my God.

Um, I feel like Nick Saban, how the characters in that show feel about Logan Roy where basically it's impossible to imagine a business without Logan Roy, even though all the writing is on the wall. Like, I have to go over on the. four and a half years for Nick Saban and I have to go over on the national championship because I've seen him do I don't care I don't care he could be 96 and I would say over that's my point he has built himself into a boogeyman and to more than they say he I don't apply normal rules to Nick Saban so no I think I'll go over on both easily I'm going I'm going under on both I just

that's called wishful thinking right there especially now because what you're not a appreciating is that Kirby gave him the juice back. Okay. It's like Batman and the Joker. People said that a year ago. And this is about to be his worst team he's had. I think maybe this entire time in Alabama this year. Perfect.

Perfect. Getting even more pissed off. Okay. It's like they're the two sides of the same coin, right? They need one another. Everybody needs an adversary to push them. Otherwise, they get bored. And now Nick Saban has the greatest adversary he's ever had.

And it's one of his own. creation in a classic tale as old as time the apprentice becoming the master the old man getting put out to pastor out back can he punch back one more time we're going to see over these next couple of years um but no i will always bet the over on nick sabin i i hate him and and he literally is responsible for the worst single experience and defeat of my entire life but uh but i but i do respect him, unfortunately, what he's built. Now, he needs to play nine games. Okay, Nick?

That's all I'm asking for. Did you see the athletics EA sports article? Where they put together the greatest all-time teams. I don't have a lot to say here, like, in terms of taking, which is an awful way to set up the conversation. But I think, like, if you're listening to this show, I think there's probably a chance. Yeah. Well, okay. So, okay.

should know. Well, that's the thing about this game, though. That's a thing about that. So Chris Finini did an article on the athletic, and he looked at the, um, uh, the, the, the,

the all EA sports team, right? 30 years of college football from EA sports, 21 titles. Let's put together the best team possible. But Aaron, he didn't do just the highest rated. He did a,

um, you know, who was just the hardest to play against, right? So like infamously, Michael Vic and Maddeno four was unstoppable. To the point. point where it was banned in a lot of homes.

Like I know me and my friends, because, you know, we had a lot of falcons fans, grew up in Atlanta. Everybody always wanted to do it. We ended up having to, like, kind of call it. Nobody could be Michael Vic. Well, that's where Pat White comes in, because I agree. If you used Pat White in NCAA09, him, Steve Slate, running the option was unstoppable.

It was incredible. The honorable mentions on the sister of Torell, Tim Tebow, and Vince John. Let me guess. I realize, was Marcus Beard that guy at LSU like you, is that damn good? Marcus Spears? Bro, Marcus Spears was a fucking beast. Marcus Spears had a pick six to the house national championship.

Nice to win the game. To beat Oklahoma. You cute LSU guys. Look at you cute LSU guys. Oh, my God. Look at you cute Tim Tebow guys. Tim Tebow, though, for what it's the only two-time 99 rated player all time in both 2010 and that's quarterback of all time.

best quarterback of all time. Matt Leinert, Andrew Luckboast reached 99, but again, they couldn't run, man. And especially at that time, elite running quarterbacks, like video games, real life just couldn't really account for them quite yet. They have Reggie Bush and Darren McFadness.

The running backs love it. I mean, speaks for itself. Who we got at fullback? Some guy from Rutgers, Brian Leonard. Yeah, blocking for Ray Wright. True, true. Wide receivers, you got Roy Williams from 2004 who, didn't you talk to Roy Williams this last year, snaps? I think that was.

That was Roy Williams of Oklahoma defensive back. Oh, shit. Okay, it was, okay. Because Texas Royal Williams, again, to go back to LSU, Texas, he won Texas a Cotton Bowl against LSU back in the day. I think it was like 2002, maybe it was the damnedest thing. He just dominated them. And then they have for Sean Woods from Oklahoma State. I don't remember he's Sean Woods, actually.

The real miss here on this list, the one flaw in the article was Crabtree. I thought Crabtree was. Oh, true. Because he was so big in his catch radius. Yeah, but what about Calvin Johnson you would think would be that, though? I mean, you know, Calvin Johnson was an absolute dog as well. You don't have the QB to get him the ball. is the problem in the game.

Like you're running essentially the triple option. No, they weren't running the triple option then when Calvin was there. But you didn't have the quarterback that you weren't. They had ball there. Ball wasn't terrible. He wasn't throwing 50 times a game like Texas Tech was though. And they're like the heyday of Mike Beach beating, you know, Texas at the peak of Texas. Yeah, shut up.

No, not you, Brum. Aaron just tried to claim that Reggie Ball was, the reason why you should play with Calvin Johnson. I like Reggie Ball. I'm just saying. Brum was trying to think of their run triple option back then. They were running pro selle offense. I got a quarterback.

It wasn't terrible. Offensive lineman, none of you all are going to give a fuck. But I was happy to see Ben Wilkerson in their legendary center from LSU, my favorite coach I ever played for 99 overall on 04. You get a defense, David Pollack, a 99 back in the day. How about it, Aaron? your boy you'd see he's a stun man jadevian clowning fucking nightmare to play against 99 did jadavia and clownie was he like hard to play against was he good in college yeah he was a fool oof ooof

oof i've been slung around like a ragdoll from jadevian a couple times really so but but but not as bad as fairly no no no no no no no no no fairly was really powerful clowney was just the length the speed uh strong hands uh but never never did me dirty like fairly was dirty cloney wasn't cloney's a good dude he was a dirty motherfucker oh man uh and then look i mean you got larin you got whatever you go out of this list it's fun names i guess the main thing is it does get you just super super excited about uh about what is what is coming me next one interesting thing to note that probably gives um i'm trying i don't want to say this um

that probably gives ah whatever i don't know what i'm trying to say it there there's a there's a weird rhythm with all this where like early on players rated super high then they get very picky about it around like 06 and then uh or no they just started hand out high ratings to everyone and then it kind of trickled back down, but whatever. I can't wait for this game to come back out. Aaron, are you ready for a Corn Hub kernel of the day? Give me, give me that little kernel, baby. Show me what you got.

All right. This is the Corn Hub podcast, your daily dose of Nebraska football. This is a podcast that originates out of Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I'm your host, T-Cobb. Husker is not in today. We are still trying to get Aaron to join the Hive officially. get him in the hub. Don't worry. But we have a couple Nebraska kickoff times. And who doesn't love a little Friday football? Well, if you do, you can catch Nebraska at Illinois, Friday,

October 6th, 8 p.m. on FS 1. A little early fall in the air Friday night. Not going to be anything else on. You're not going to be going to be too crazy air because you'll probably be in some city, get rid of calling ESPN game the next day. Grab yourself a whiskey and lock in for Matt Rule versus Bert Belima. That's what I'm talking about, too. That's going to be fun. Actually, even more fun. How about this?

Friday, November 24th, the day after Thanksgiving, you got a tummy full of triptophan. You're probably making a little turkey sausage gumbo with your turkey stuck. Chances are you got leftover cranberry sandwiches coming your way. And what are you going to take it all, wash it all down with? Iowa at Nebraska.

Nebraska. That's right. Noon, CBS. Big Ten on CBS at noon. Hawkeyes versus the Huskers. That is the good stuff. That is college football personified right there. Look forward. There's your Corn Hub, Colonel of the Day.

Can't wait. I will not go in the pool right now. Give me, this is going to be a, petite Trojan boy situation. I'm going to have to see a little something from Nebraska early on the season before I join Corn Hub. I'm on the fence. I wish I'm not on the fence.

I'm on the other side of the fence. I'm like, a lie. I'm on the other side. I'm going for prime. What if they beat the crap out of Colorado? It's not enough. Not enough. It's a 11-team you beat. Not enough. I need to see you beat a competitive football team. I kind of feel like Colorado is going to beat Nebraska.

They shouldn't. I hope they do. Because Nebraska has still had like a bunch of of top 20 recruiting classes. Like Nebraska kept recruiting well, they just could never, they just can't develop players. Matt Rule should be able to, we'll, we'll see how that's kind of crazy to really think about is just how much narrative is going to be on the line in that first game. Yeah. I mean, the takes of, you know, Colorado who's a disaster, Dion's such an asshole. He kicked out all these kids for no reason, blah, blah, blah, or oh, my God, Matt Rule's so

overrated. Nebraska can't even be Colorado. Are you kidding, man? Who will benefit more from week one? I would say Dion from a way. Yes. Bro, to take a one in 11, Colorado to then beating the Big Tins, Nebraska week one would be borderline disastrous for Matt Ruhl,

in my opinion. I don't think so. What do you mean? I don't think the takes would be kind. What do you think they're going to say after that? Obviously they're not going to be kind, but I would say, like I just said, I think,

I think Dion would have a harder, the takes would be harder on Dion than that rule after the game. He took, no, yes. He took over an infinitely worse situation. I don't care. He cleared house. He's doing it his way. I think Matt ruled the excuses. Look at what he's done every school. Your one's not great. Why should this be any different? Your one's not great. This is billing for your two. IEL transfer portal. That's why. that's why there is no excuse no Darth Janeis my my corn hub name is T-cop

I guys I know historically rule sucks the first season but he's not going to be allowed to go three and nine this year it just can't happen you're allowed to get fired he has a pretty it's not like he's going to get fired

but I'll be disappointed like he should be better than that Nebraska should be no Iowa versus Nebraska is not torture light dog that's the good stuff that is why like If Nick Saban's going to ask me, 14 and 9, baby, I can't wait for that. Yeah, good.

That's what Nick Saban wants. That's what he wants college football to be. And that's what at least we'll still have that in an age of having to watch freaking Georgia and Texas with their $7 million rosters going toe to toe to with one another. Okay. Beautiful. Give me the good Midwest shit.

Give me some of that honed spun grandma's quilt type of shit. because that's what Iowa versus Nebraska is. Clint Moses, rule interview sounds better than Luke Fickle. Yeah, I don't know much about Luke Fickle, to be honest. I know he's very good,

and he looks intimidating, but, like, honestly, I, you know, I'll be interested to see now that he's finally out of, out of, out of,

a group of five, Cincinnati. Is he, yeah, is he real or not, do? I think he's real. Um,

I think so, probably too. I mean, he brought, he got a, He got a Cincinnati team with like multiple NFL first rounders, including Sauce Gardner and took them to playoffs. Like, yeah, it's pretty, I'm good.

All right. That'll do it for today's show. Unless anybody has anything else? Did I miss anything? No, I think it was right. Good. We're good. Hey, check it out.

Again, remember Monday, we are launching the new SNAPS YouTube channel, whether you're watching live on YouTube or listening to the podcast on Apple, Spotify, We have listened to podcast, for you to review it. We want your help. We're going to be pushing it hard, y'all. We're going to have content immediately up day one. We're going to have shorts popping off constantly. It is going to be the place to be for snaps.

And we want to try to make it as big as we can. So we're going to need everybody on board for this. It's like Brian Kelly always talks about alignment. We're going to need alignment to achieve our ultimate vision. And that's exactly what we're going to do. Aaron, Stephen A. Smith. on the way out here was asking this this morning. Have you ever tasted your wife's breast milk?

Yes. What did you think of it? It's been a little sweet. I like it. Isn't it crazy? It tastes like cereal milk. The only thing that freaked me out were you at all freaked out by the temperature? Because it is warm, right?

It clearly just came out of another human being. Yes. No. I was well prepared knowing the fact that I help. bottle feed the baby so I've I've kind of felt the milk and yes it's warm babies don't want cold milk so wasn't too can can I take it one step too far probably not for you probably not okay did you suckle directly from the teat when you tasted it um the first time no but I mean you know that it has happened during um adult

adult activities yes yeah yeah hell yeah cool sweet snap just a couple of homelander boys here on snaps i mean what do you want us to do dude um yeah i'm a dude might happen tonight for me too yeah your boys might get back in the girls i will see hey yeah antibiotics right it's good for you like if a baby gets sick right isn't the mother's breast milk which helped them not get sick at the end of the day yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the antibodies yeah oh we should say to maybe as a slight programming note we'll probably keep more of this sort of talk towards the end as maybe like a little bonus for people who care about such frivolities whereas uh we'll probably do a better job here going forward about kind of diving right into the meat potatoes college football

takes the beginning of show and then at the end erring could tell us about how maddox is like shit all over his bedroom and smeared on the walls or whatever is the latest crazy gastrointestinal issue going on in the Murray household we're all good on that front there everything all good yeah we're the butt's good the butt's good all nice nice the mirror lax really helps kind of clean you out yeah now we just need our kids to stop walking up to random strangers and telling them to spank them bad on multiple levels but both my kids and Aaron's kid is doing that right now. It's not going to.

Spank me. Dad, I need a spanking. I need a spanking kid. Hugs and kisses. Hugs and kisses. Oh, man. All right. Well, hey, look, we love y'all.

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