The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Steelers-Browns, Tom Brady, QBs, and Cam Newton

Episode Date: November 14, 2019

Colin discusses how the Steelers have overcome adversity this season while the Browns have not, Tom Brady not wanting to retire anytime soon, available QBs, and possible destinations for Cam Newton after this season. Guests include Greg Jennings, Greg Cosell, and Will Blackmon. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Greg CoSell stops by if you play fantasy football, if you gamble, if you just love football. Greg CoSell is about 10 minutes. You have to watch and listen to on our radio dial or our TV show. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Thursday. So she's from Pittsburgh. So she's a Steeler girl.

And for most of your life, you have looked down upon Cleveland. Well, I mean, it's not been hard. Sorry, I might take any more easy jabs with the Browns. Yeah, I mean, I'm very excited for tonight. But it's interesting tonight, Joy, because this is the year. It could have been a mess for Pittsburgh. Yep. They lost Big Ben, Labian Bell, Antonio Brown.

and the Steelers once again have their act together. And this should have been the greatest year in two decades for Cleveland. OBJ and Jarvis Landry, Nick Chabir comes, Kareem Hunt, that defense, Olivier Vernon, Denzel Ward, and they are again a mess. I saw a stat this morning. This may be my favorite NFL stat ever, and it's not about the players. the last six Cleveland Brown coaches, I'm not making this up,

have all been fired after a Steelers game. Oh my Lord. If that doesn't scream, low football self-esteem, and they've all been fired after the second Steeler game. So Cleveland comes into a season, they feel good about themselves, they lose to the Steelers once,

We're going to get him the second time and they lose again. And the owner, whoever it is, and the GM, whoever it is, low self-esteem, chaos and panic. They fire the coach. Last six coaches. I said this about a year ago. In fact, it was last August 12th. I looked it up. The AFC North, Steelers, Ravens, Bingles, Browns is a big family.

The Steelers are the very successful father. He created generational wealth. He is aged. He is handsome. Not every year's been great. There have been little dips. They're always brief because the Steelers are very smart and very successful and never panic. The Steelers had a son.

His name is Baltimore. Tough as nails. Dependable. Always trustworthy. You want to be in the foxhole with Baltimore. You can trust Baltimore. They work their way through problems. Yes, they grew up with a great dad, but they've earned everything.

Then there's Cincinnati. That's the less successful son of Pittsburgh. They're always looking up at the more successful son, Baltimore. They're the red-headed stepchild. Never really good in a big spot. Any success ends briefly. They can't be successful without screwing it up. And then Cincinnati has a son, and he becomes a huge loser, and his name is Cleveland.

He's the loser son. of the loser's son of his father. And he's just too far away DNA to get his act together. He's just too far removed from good DNA, constant chaos, talks a big game, never backs it up.

Unlike Cincinnati, he doesn't even get brief success. He just screws that up, which is why Baker is perfect for Cleveland. Yep, yep, yep, yep, false confidence. Tonight, Cleveland should win going away. That's the way it should work.

if you lose your Hall of Fame quarterback like Pittsburgh, start the season 0 and 3, get blown out in week one, and lose two stars over the course of a year, A, B, and Labian Bell. But that's not what's happened to the Steelers. The very successful father puts his arm, has built a great culture,

arms around the family. They go make a big move in Minka Fitzpatrick, the culture, the metal, the moxie, the intelligence, the history. they're actually a playoff team today and have absolutely no reason to be. And then there's

Cleveland. Most hype in two decades, mostly been big injury free, a quarterback who now gets the guy who helped him last year, Freddie Kitchens, saddle up alongside him, and they're just a big hot mess.

But they are favored tonight as they should be, because if you had Hall of Fame quarterback and you lost him in season and you replaced him with Mason Rudolph. Sounds like a painter. You shouldn't go to Cleveland and win tonight, but Pittsburgh will win tonight because that's what Pittsburgh does. The successful father has had several dips. Terry Bradshaw retires, Big Ben gets hurt. Do you know Mike Tomlin is 15 and 10 when Big Ben gets hurt? outside of Belichick, the one year Brady was gone,

you do get that doesn't happen really in the NFL. So tonight is not only a football game, it is a battle of cultures. Smart, successful, tough, don't talk a lot. In fact, got noise out of the locker room. We don't want the noise. Cleveland had an interesting football team,

but traded for more personality and noise. I'm not just rooting against Cleveland tonight. What I'm rooting for is Pittsburgh, their culture, their history, their reliability, their toughness. And I root for people who talk less, do more, and overcome bad breaks. And the Steelers got it. We're blown out. And this morning, they're a playoff team. That's impressive.

Not shaven three times for a football game. Let's shift to this. this made me laugh. It will make joy and the rest of the AFC fans cry. Alex Guerrero is Tom Brady's trainer, the pliability guy. He said Tom is not going to retire after the season. In fact, he said he's going to keep playing and keep playing. Not two more years. Not three more years. Not four more years. Tom's going to play potentially five more years until his mid to late 40s. This is Alex Guerrero. It all comes down to commitment.

I certainly do believe that 45 is very realistic goal. So, you know, we talk about it all the time. Like every year, he just adds another year because he just goes in. He's like, guy, he just feels so good still. Like, I think I'm going to go to 45. I'm like, okay. And it's like now he's like, Alas, I think I can go like 46 or 47. Joy is cringing.

The Pittsburgh and Miami girl is cringing. Let me say this. I've always said this about LeBron. when you write the book on LeBron, chapter one is, dude is great. Chapter two is, he is physically remarkable. Hurt once? Now we're asking him in year 17. Go play point guard, chase around smaller guys.

Chapter one on LeBron is unbelievable. Chapter two is physically, I've never seen anything like him. When they write the book on Tom Brady, hope I get to write that. The first chapter will be goat, second chapter. will be, he is psychologically the strongest player in league history. And I want you to think about this. Think about the men, men with egos, alpha males. Can you imagine being the greatest person to ever do something in the country?

And yet being told, we will not pay you like the greatest person ever. You'll be paid significantly less than people with no Super Bowl appearances. But I'm that, no, no, no. We're not going to pay you. Then we will not furnish you with elite pieces like Patrick Mahomes. No, we don't do that. That's not our culture here in New England. Third, we don't compliment.

We don't treat you like a star. Money? No. Adoration? Wrong, wrong football operation. At least give me elite weapons. No, we're not going to give you a lot. that. In fact, all Tom Brady

seeks, because he knows he can't get the other stuff, is what his wife said on the documentary. Remember that? This last two years have been very challenging for him in so many ways. And I think he just wants, you know, he tells me I love it so much and I just want to go to work and feel appreciated and have fun. Money, no, adoration no, weapons no. He just wants a little respect. Now think about this.

Jerry Jones, every opportunity, tells you how much he loves DAC. Pete Carroll, three times this year. Russell Wilson's having the best year of his career. Andy Reed furnishes Patrick Mahomes with constant love. John Harbaugh told Lamar Jackson last weekend, I love you, man. I love you. On Tom Brady's birthday three years ago, this was Bill Belichick's reaction.

right well first of all i don't think we want to miss chris barber's birthday even yeah it's a backup offensive lineman's birthday too remember the video joy and i showed you when bellichick gave brady the game ball it was uncomfortable bill was doing a solid bill was fired in cleveland comes to new england losing record five and eleven And Tom comes over, Bill becomes the greatest coach ever. He gave him a game ball. It was uncomfortable.

Chapter 1 on Brady, greatest I've ever seen. Chapter 2 is, I don't have the mental strength. In my career, if I was as great as Tom, not paid among the best in my profession, never get a compliment for my boss, although I don't seek those, but not even given an elite staff. Can I get like a really Can I get Joy Taylor? She's not available.

She's expensive. I don't get Joy. No. We found somebody in Sheboygan that's almost as good. And Brady never complains. Just win Sunday. He's going to play to 47.

Maybe 48. Every year we're just going to stretch it. I'm just going to continue to suffer. I told you, this is why I refuse to write them off for the Super Bowl. Besides the fact that they don't have any elite weapons. not doing it. I won't do it.

I'm not going to fall for that again. You've been hurt too many times. I have. I have. Coming up next, Cam Newton's like, sure, trade me. I'm good. Which I love that attitude, by the way. Oh, I'll move. I think there's two teams in the league he's going to end up with. I think there's two they're going to go after him.

And I'm going to line up the possibilities, and I think it's pretty clear. I think there's a favorite, and then there's a very strong 1A with Cam Newton. Greg Jennings, Peter King, Greg CoSell, Will Blackman, love him on the show today as well. Good stuff. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Welcome to my new podcast, Learn the Hard Way with me, your host, and your favorite therapist, Kear Games. And in recognition of mental health awareness month, I'm bringing over a decade of my own experience

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Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura podcast network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Tom andjohn.com holiday season. Go to Tommyjohn.com. Code her 20% off. I wear the stuff. I wear Tommy John. Have for years. Good to have you in. So I thought this was interesting. Greg Jennings coming up in 10 minutes. Top of next hour, Greg CoSell, NFL. eat sandwich fantasy gamble just like football he's the best peter king stops by it today will blackman former nflb and wine sommelier i kid you not will join us in the last hour i love having will on so cam newton uh not old bitter and rigid said yeah i'm willing to be traded and said chicago sounds fun to me and i love his openness and willingness to be traded so i thought

today let's talk about uh and i'm not going to count marcus mariotta andy dalton james winston gardiner minshu i'm talking about what quarterback are available coming up that people view as I'm going to build around them. You may get Andy Dalton, bring him to practice, compete, Marcus Mariotta, Tanna Hill, Minchu. I'm talking about, we're all in on him. There's five in college this year. Tua from Alabama, Joe Burrow, LSU, Justin Herbert from Oregon. And then Jacob Easton at Washington, I'm kind of selling that stock.

Jordan Love, I don't know enough about it, Utah State, but he will be a first rounder. That's available on the market. Jalen hurts too. Jalen hurts too. Again, I, I, I need to see more easen size arm. Now, there's two in the NFL, Cam and Teddy Bridgewater. I prefer Teddy. I like the maturity. I think he's all in. He's not a vertical passer, but he's Drew Breeze. I mean, he's Drew Breeze. Situationally, accuracy, grown-up, all that stuff. So you got seven, maybe another college guy, seven. And then I looked at the teams that need a quarterback, many of them urgently. Cincinnati, Miami, Chicago, Tampa Bay, Carolina, I think Denver would make a move. I think Indianapolis, Jacoby Brissette's only got one more

year on contract. They're not, Chris Ballard, that's not the future of Indianapolis. You go, Andrew Luck to Brissette, they're going to draft, but I don't think they're urgent, right? They could wait another draft. So I got about seven quarterbacks available, and I got about nine teams, eight to nine teams, several urgently who are going to go get it. So we know, now we're talking about Cam Newton here, Cincinnati and Miami are not going to go after him. They're going to start over. Okay, Cincinnati and Miami, in my opinion, they have the one and two picks. You're going to go and get Burrow or two.

You can sell that to your fans. It's not an old story. It's a new one. I don't think Tennessee is going to go get Cam because they've had a mobile quarterback who gets hurt and has accuracy issues. It was called Marioota. Cam's just a better version of it. Denver, I don't think they. be all in on him.

John Elway prefers a pocket guy and a guy that's all in, not distracted, that's not Cam. And I don't think Indianapolis, I don't think he fits their culture or their locker room. They're young. They're mostly marginally paid. I don't think Cam fits Indianapolis. I think Andrew Luck fit Indianapolis. Jacoby Brissette fits Indianapolis.

Low, low talk, low charisma. That's their culture. I think you come down to two teams where they got the roster to win now. they don't want to roll the dice on a college guy and I think at number one Chicago and number two, the LA Chargers. The Chargers can't sell tickets.

They've got no juice athletically at quarterback. Cam is juice. You could bring Cam into that locker room and all the Bosa's and the Ingrams and the Melvin Gordons and the Derwin James would be totally into a mobile quarterback that adds juice and sells tickets. In L.A.,

Cam would instantly be the biggest football star in Los Angeles. When you got LeBron down the street, Paul George, Anthony Davis, Kauai, don't kid yourself. This is not Green Bay. It's not Buffalo. You're competing for the advertising dollar in this city. Jared Goff's got no personality. Gurley doesn't talk. Cooper Cup went to my college.

He doesn't talk. Aaron Donald, amazing, doesn't talk. Cam's the biggest football star in town. They can't sell tickets. They're giving them away. And I also think they need athletic juice at quarterback. Their offensive line's not good. They won't draft good enough to get the top two or three offensive linemen.

I don't think they have the patience for it. I think the Spanos family wants to make money. They want to sell tickets. They want to get juice and they need it in a competitive market. Secondly, I think it's Chicago. Win now because Trubisky's a bust. I hate to say that, but he is. They can't afford another college guy that doesn't work.

Ryan Pace hits another quarterback that doesn't work. Ryan Pace is never a GM again. Cam's not a bust. Not my cup of tea. No chance he'd bust. I also think with that hyper-athletic roster, you bring Cam in who's got a cannon for an arm. Teddy Bridgewater doesn't have the big arm. You may know Chicago.

It's windy and stuff in August. Like big arm, big juice, big personality. In a big broad Oprah, Jordan, Cubs, it's a big city. I think Cam would embrace it. So to me, you got seven guys on the market. You got nine teams that need it. The two teams at the top are going college, and they're not trading down. So if you think you're the charger is going to move up, not going to happen.

They don't. Think you're Chicago. You're too good moving up. Sincere and Miami are not moving off those spots. You don't work this hard. Then you have two great prospects and go, yeah, we're just going to move it and get a defensive end. That is not going to happen. So I think he's a bear.

I think he's a charger. And I'll tell you, I'm not a huge cam fan. But there is something to be said about juice. And if you've had Tribisky and you watch Philip Rivers this year, you got no juice. And I think Cam would turn around those locker rooms. I think he would add just a big physical element to super athletic locker rooms, and the guys would buy into them.

I think they would. They buy into them. So that's exciting stuff. Here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. And he's only 30 years old.

And he's cheap. He's basically, Cam Newton is the best value at quarterback. He makes $18 million a year. That is, but Holmes is going to sign for 40. I really like Teddy Bridgewater in Denver. He, like, that organization feels like a Teddy Bridgewater location. Like, that, that works to me. If they could figure their left tackle out, I'd like it more.

Well, I mean, offensive lines is the issue with a lot. lot of these teams we're talking about, but I just think that would be a good fit for him. So, fun NBA night last night. James Harden led the Rockets to a 102-93 win over the Clippers last night. He scored 47 points. He was guarded part of the time by Patrick Beverly, who fouled out with two minutes left in the game. After the game, Russell Westbrook took a shot at Patrick Beverly's performance against Hardin.

Pat Beff trick you on, man. Like, he played defense. He don't guard nobody, man. He's just running around doing nothing. you're seeing what happened, 47. All that commotion to get 47. Well, as we know, Russell

Westbrook is not a huge fan of Patrick Beverly, because if we get in the time machine there, the 2013 playoffs, remember Patrick Beverly was the one that dived at Westbrook's knee, which eventually turned into an MCL tear, which eventually turned into three surgeries. So I don't think that Russell Westbrook is ever going to have

anything nice to say about Patrick Beverly. I will say, though, Patrick Beverly has a reputation of being a tough defender for a reason. He's annoying. He is a pest, but like when you think of Patrick Patrick Beverly, you immediately think of defense. Like that is his identity as a player. The video we're showing on the air. And stuff like that. Yes. Now, technically Hardin didn't give Patrick Beverly 47 points. No, that's a... He technically, at least according to NBA.com, he was 0 for four when, uh, when, uh, when, and one turnover when

Beverly was defending him. Two for six with one turnover when Kauai was defending him. Beverly's a very good defense. Yeah, technically got four points because he got the free throws after Beverly fouled out. But it was a great game last night. Like this is the playoff level basketball that we're looking for from these two teams. I don't think it tells you too much about either team. You learn really more about the Rockets in a game like that last night. You know, it's funny.

I heard a little bit of an interview with James Hardin. Hardin needs to talk more. His game is annoying and not likable. It's not likable. Michael Jordan's game was likable. Kobe's game was likable. Hardin's game's annoying. I heard this interview yesterday with Hardin.

Hardin's incredibly likable. He never talks. He's a personality and a star for a reason. But he's pragmatic. He's bottom line. I hear him do an interview. I'm like, dude, who's your PR guy? Talk more.

Do more interviews. Maybe he just doesn't want to, you know? For his brand, I thought he would be just, you know, he'd just be above it all. And I'm like, Hardin's interesting. A very pragmatic guy. He has a great personality. Yeah, you didn't just show it more. Yeah.

So the other great game last night, well, at least if you're a Lakers fan, was the Lakers being the Warriors, 120 to 94. Anthony Davis was out last night with a shoulder injury. Obviously, it wasn't a problem for the Lakers, and the rest of the team stepped up in his absence. Kyle Kuzma scored 22 points, starting an 80 spot, and Jabel McGee had 18 points with 17 rebounds. Dwight Howard also had one of his best games of the season with 15 points,

eight rebounds, and we showed this highlight dunk on the alleyout from Kuzma. Yeah. Really interesting what's happened with Dwight Howard. He looks, first of all, hair's crazy and he's skinny. His body is completely changed. No, he looks like a wing, a three. I think that this weirdly ended up being the best place for Dwight Howard because it's not all on Dwight Howard.

Actually, nothing is expected of Dwight Howard. Nothing. And he's been playing great for them. They are nine and two now. They're at top of the Western Conference. And the other big thing is they had 31 assists in the second game of. back-to-back. They had 39 assists against Phoenix on Tuesday.

That's the most for the Lakers since 2009. And when you watch... They also have 31 against Toronto. The first thing that jumps out, when I watched the Lakers last night, because I was at the opening of Herdberger, which went wildly well. Yes, congratulations. Thanks. They're incredibly long.

McGee, LeBron, Davis, Kuzma, Danny Green. Lakers lead the NBA in steals. A lot of it's just, they are the longest. This reminds me of the Gasol-Cobie team where it was just the The Jordan's Bulls, for all, you want to talk about it. It's the longest team I've ever seen.

And I had a GM tell me this once. He goes, they get, he goes, Scotty Pippin tips two balls a night. They get two possessions free off Scotty Pippin. Michael gets the ball and scores on one of them. How many Bulls games in the playoffs did they win by a bucket? The Lakers' length makes them an incredibly nimble defensive team. And they've really clicked very well very quickly, which is not. not common of LeBron teams newly assembled.

They're tied for second in the NBA in assist, which means they're moving the ball around really well. So they're playing great. Finally, 10 weeks into the season, there's plenty of viable options for coach of the year, and Brett Farve has already picked his front runner for the winner. Well, I want to hear this. You know, I don't know what the outcome of the season will be,

but if I had to pick a coach of the year right now, it would be John Gruden, and some people may say I'm absolutely crazy. when you look at all those things that have occurred and where they are, and more importantly, how they're playing, they're playing well. And they're responding to how he coaches. It's just a tremendous job. They really have been the shock of the NFL. You know, what I love about John can be painfully old school, but he's not rigid old school guy.

That is, it's a great description of him because he has just these random things. that you're like, why would you want to do that that way? We have computers that do that. Right. But then he's just right there in the mix with everybody just relating and conversations and he's running around the black hole and getting hugs. I like old school as long as you don't become like Bobby Knight rigid. Right.

As long as you're not attached to it. Yeah, but by the way, there is some value. Look who's running for president. Everybody's 70. Like we do kind of like the old school knowledge. I like old school. I guess principles and mentality values, but you can't not evolve. Yeah, like I'm over.

I've seen too many coaches. You know, Saban and Belichick, by the way, are really old school. But Saban's like, oh, I got to go to a mobile quarterback, no huddle, I got to spread it out. And then Bill Belichick's like, yeah, we're going to throw. Bill Belichick's ahead of everything. Everything. So it's like, I like old school. Gruden's old school, but he's not crusty and old.

He's like, he stayed current. I think Gruden is obviously a. really good option for coach of the year so far. I also think Harbaugh should be someone that's considered and be Carroll. And Mike Tomlin. And Mike Tomlin. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Greg Jennings. Look at him. He's very dapper. A lot of people on Thursday mailed in. They don't put the effort in. Not Greg Jennings. Look at you. That's a Saturday night effort on Thursday morning. Yeah, I got to make it happen.

You'll make it happen. I was saying tonight the Steelers, and see, you're interesting because you played for the Packers. You played for a formidable, high self-esteem, a lot of character values franchise. That's Pittsburgh. And we say the AFC North, the Steelers are the successful dad. Not every year it's big money. He's lost a job. But when you think of him, you think of dignity, class, culture, rock solid, want to be in a foxhole with him.

You were with that in Green Bay. Then you left and went to Miami. So tonight is not a football game. It's a battle of cultures. Cleveland, the last six coaches they fired, all six have been fired after losing to the Steelers. You know what that tells me, Greg? They want so desperately to be Pittsburgh,

and then they lose to them. They're like, this guy can't make his Pittsburgh either. That's what that tells me. Don't you think that's crazy? So in your division, you were with the Steelers. You were with Green Bay. Minnesota was Baltimore. All was tough.

Appears to be well-run. I think at that moment the bears were more Baltimore. But Detroit is Cleveland. Cannot get out of their own way. Yes. And when you were a Packer played Detroit, you owned them, did you always kind of feel like they're just trying so hard to be us?

Yeah, absolutely. You felt like you had to beat yourself in order for them to get a win. And it happened. And, I mean, I remember it. I dropped a wide open touchdown. Didn't even know it got intercepted. It was a completely just terrible game on my part and the team's part for Detroit to get a win.

Now, they always were competitive, but you knew there was going to be something that would happen and transpired throughout the course of the game to where you would end up with the W. And so, but when I look at, when I look at Cleveland, it's one of those things that's challenging because it's everyone looks at Baker Mayfield and says man this this kid has to make it work and has to make it work and that's it's not all on Baker Mayfield of course not it really isn't man when you look across the league and in guys that have made things work offensive coordinators with players you look at shoot you look at Kyle Shanahan right now with Garoppolo Garoppolo and he's Daniel Sanders, it makes Garapolo a much better player, but he understands what Emmanuel Sanders does well. He understands what meshes well with Garapolo. They click.

Amari Dak, they click. You look at Minka Fitzpatrick with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Click. With the Miami Dolphins and all of a sudden he gets with the defense and with a coordinator that understands what they have as value of a player and what he provides. And he potentially could be the defensive player of the year. Like, it's more on coaches than just the players. Don't get me wrong.

Players are going to orchestrate. They're out front. So you're going to put ownership and blame on them. But by the way, Alabama footballs had long stretches where they stunk. Yes. Players, listen, Alabama, USC always has all Americans. That's not the issue with that. USC's had the right coach one time in 12 years.

Exactly. You got to have the right coach. And when you look at players that have impacted. teams. You look at King and Drake over in Arizona now, all of a sudden, and he's just, he's phenomenal with them because he's, he's being utilized with the young coach who's innovative, who understands, okay, this is what this player does well. Let's put him in this, in this position during the game where our quarterback thrives as well, and it makes us look better as a team. So I said this yesterday. Baker was not as good last year as you thought

he was at the end. He's not nearly so he wasn't as good as he looked against Cincinnati twice. He's not nearly this bad. Baker is somewhere if you gave him Mike McCarthy Baker would complete 65% 24 touchdowns, 11 picks and you could win

nine games. But this is not who Baker is. No, this is not who Baker is. And I think he misses when you're dealing with young quarterbacks their safety net typically is their tight-in. Without David and Joe Baker Mayfield doesn't have the, number one, they lack size at the skill position.

Yeah, they're small. They're small. You're dealing with Jarvis Landry, heck of a player, Odell Beckham, heck of a player, but they don't have a range, a radius that an Injoku has in the red zone, which is what a young quarterback needs a huge target that he can make sure that if I do miss, if I am a little errant, there's still a potential that the play can be made. Kyle Rudolph last Sunday night what he did for his

quarterback. So, but with the addition of the running back now, drawing a blank, Chub. Cream Hunt. Kareem Hunt. He's going to fill that void because now you're going to have

easy passes that Baker Mayfield can complete. You can continue to sustain drives and move the ball down the field and get in a better rhythmic flow. Guys like Odell, they thrive off big plays, splash plays, not just methodically just running routes, being specific in route depth and all of those things.

That's not where they thrive. And so when you look at that, Baker Mayfield is going to struggle. And it's more on Freddie Kitchens than I believe it is on Baker Mayfield. No, I think that's fair. I have, very easy for me. This year has been the year where Colin was right on Baker, but I'm not taking the anvil out.

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I say things nobody else would dare say. Kyler Murray is better than Lamar Jackson. Today I could draft either. Look at, look at it. Look at the reaction. We don't watch Arizona. We don't watch them play. With a battle line, Baltimore doesn't have that,

with a rookie college coach, not John Harbaugh. Kyler Murray is completing like 64%. They're in every game. We largely acknowledge it's a bottom, roster in the tougher division. He's had injuries to deal with. Kyler Murray, 10 games into his career,

when you watch Baker Mayfield, also from Oklahoma number one pick, watch Baker tonight. You tell me what Baker does better than Kyler Murray. Nothing. Yeah, but you didn't say Kyle was better than Baker. You said Lamarne.

So here would be my argument back at you. You're saying, we don't watch a lot of Kyla Murray. Obviously, you're not paying a lot of attention to the Arizona Cardinals because when quarterbacks put up a huge stat line, it's typically because their team is always behind. What is Arizona typically always doing? Look at that throw. Throwing the football.

Why? Accurately. Because they are behind. So that is going to afford Kyle and Merck. Don't get me wrong. I'm on the bandwagon, have been since he got drafted. By the way, could I not argue when you play from him? behind and the other team knows it, they pin their ears back.

It's harder to play from behind. I'd love to play with John Harbaugh, that line, Mark Ingram, a lead. Yeah, you can, I mean, you can say whichever one you would prefer, but no team wants to play from behind. No. And no defense, typically when you're playing from behind the defense, they're not really pinning their ears back. They're playing more of a safe, prevent style of defense to prevent you from

getting the big play. Well, Kyler Murray is the player that he's going to make it happen on you because he has receivers on the outside. He has running backs that he can throw to. He's Russell Wilson. He can run the Yeah, very Russell Wilson-esque. I'm not going to call him Russell Wilson.

But what I will say is he is not Lamar Jackson. I don't think Lamar's him. No, they're two totally different quarterbacks. And I like the thrower. I like the baseball player who can slide. You played with Aaron Rogers. He still can't slide. Jimmy Garoppolo can't slide. Dak

can't slide. Kirk Cousins, I can't even call it a slide. Kyler's a baseball guy. Russell's a baseball guy. They slide. Lamar gets popped. So you love Kyler because he can slide. No. I like people who can slide. In life, general rule. Slide, I'm in. I'm telling you, he throws a beautiful ball. Did you just make that up

in life as a general rule? I'm just telling you, we're not watching this kid. It reminds me what Deshawn Watson came in. All we paid attention to was Patrick Mahomes. They played I saw him play. Deshaun won. Deshawn was better in college. He was better in high school. I mean, at some point, I'm watching Kyler playing. I'm like five years from now, this kid throws the best ball of better than Darnold, better than Baker, better than Omar, better than Josh. He throws a better football than all of them. I'm with you with all of that. I like Kyla Murray. I just think if if things were different, if they were playing out front more than you would have a greater argument.

but the fact that they're always behind and they're always throwing the ball, and he can throw the ball. Obviously, he can. Oh, it's a laser! He really throws a beautiful butt ball. It's a laser. All right, let's move to this. Cam Newton on the market.

Cam's like, oh, all right, I don't go. Chargers work for me that can't sell tickets. Biggest star in L.A. Cam's got the wardrobe, the image, the brand. I think Cam would like it. Walk into LeBron's market. Secondly, Chicago Bears want to win now. They can't afford to roll the dice on a college guy

because they busted on the last one. any cam fit how would cam be if you're on a team you've watched cam you've watched the injuries you've seen some of his you know war droopy stuff would he be embraced by veteran adult guys who want to win super bowls would he be embraced guys like him guys like him for me i don't know if i i think the charges would be a a good fit i like the bears the bears are a buttoned up team defensively offensively what they lack is a quarterback. Juice. Their offensive line can protect.

So Cam won't have to worry or concern himself about getting hit every time he drops back. They have quality talent on the perimeter. They could use a little bit more as far as size. Clever offensive coach. Coach that will put him in the best positions, have running backs that can run the ball and catch out of the backfield. they have all the pieces they just don't have the quarterback. Cam Newton has a lot left in the tank.

I don't think he'll be back with Carolina because of what Alan has been able to do and what he provides and being able to utilize what they drafted Christian McCaffrey for. And that we've seen how that has resulted and that that's turning out. I like Cam Newton in Chicago. I said it earlier in the season. Cam Newton, if there was a destination that I would put my money on, Chicago Bears. By the way, windy city, cold weather, Cam's got an arm. I like Bridgewater more, I think, but not in Chicago.

Teddy's in warm weather, dome. By the way, if I was Carolina, I could go get Teddy and be totally cool with it. Look, I'm going to be honest with you. And I know this will just, oh my gosh, just go across the airwaves like crazy. the New Orleans Saints need to move on from Drew Breeze after this year. Teddy's your guy. No one wants to do it because Drew Breeze can he still play? Yes, but how much longer?

How much better are the New Orleans Saints with Drew Breeze than they are with Teddy? Well, again, it's your. The Packers moved off Favre and we were okay with it. Brett was still very good. Well, Brett helped that situation. But in fairness, I have always said this. When you get divorced in life, she's going to be happy with somebody else. Don't get divorced if you can't handle it.

The Colt said, the Colt said, oh, no, Peyton's going to win. They were okay with that. Okay. The Niners said, oh, Joe Montana's going to win. The Packers said, oh, Brett'll go and win. You have to, you can't expect to move off your star, and he literally goes, boo. Drew would go somewhere and win for two years.

but Teddy's the Listen, this is not crazy. When you get a divorce, you got to get comfortable with. That person's going to flourish without me. I just like, I like Teddy right where he's at because Sean Payton knows, again, offensive coordinator, offensive mind, understands what his quarterback can do,

understands the pieces around his quarterback and how they all work well together. He's figured that out with Teddy Bridgewater. He has. This is not crazy, and I love Breeze. I do, too. I do too. But I do think you get to a point where you have to make big decisions.

He's so, well, Farr was relevant culturally. I say Drew's so relevant culturally, but Peyton Manning was relevant in Indianapolis. And this is going to be a hard decision because of what Drew means to the city of New Orleans. Not bad today. Actually, you know, what made the difference was the shirt because you came in with a lot of juice. You didn't mail. A lot of guys mail it in. You came in with juice.

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I'll get to. Can I say something on LeBronica. course I can. It's called the herd. So I see this story. LeBron James comes out and says, come on. People say stuff. And I am a LeBron guy. Although he's a little, a little into LeBron lately, but whatever, hashtag, you know, revenge to her. So he comes out and he says, listen, I'm okay being the second guy on this team. Okay, come on. First of all, Lakers are nine and two. The reason it's all working, LeBron. This is why it's all working. It's not working because of Anthony Davis. It's working because LeBron took over at point guard. And

LeBron makes everybody work. He's Russell Wilson. Everybody works. We hated J.R. Smith. He was with LeBron. We started liking him and thinking, you know, he's clueless and funny and weird, but we like him. Then at the end, we didn't like him. LeBron makes everything work.

He made Kyrie Irving briefly happy. He made Matthew Delavadova work. Everything works with LeBron. Everything works with Russell Wilson. Everything works. So LeBron's making this work. He's not going to be the second guy. Time out.

A lot of talented people in this league. Anthony Davis has won one playoff series. And in the playoff series, he won against Portland, the story of the series with Rajon Rondo. And I went and looked this up. He went 11 points, 13 assists and 8 rebounds. Remember that series against Portland? Rondo literally was the best guard in a series that had Drew Holiday, Rondo, C.J. McCullough and Damien Lillard, and Rondo was a nightmare.

Anthony Davis, first of all, he's not built to run the Lakers. He's not. LeBron's got different DNA. LeBron dominates the ball. LeBron makes everything work. Anthony Davis at this point in his career makes nothing work. He's just talented. Kauai Leonard makes stuff work.

Right? Like Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry makes stuff work. That quality never gets enough credit in America. We're all caught up in talent. Russell Wilson makes every tied-in and receiver work. LeBron makes everything work. Steph Curry makes everything work. That's what I wish our policy.

politicians were. That's what I wish, you know, who do I want to elect for a president? Somebody that get, Ronald Reagan, liberals, loved Reagan. They disagreed with everything out of his mouth, but they got along. He and Tip O'Neill. Remember when you used to have politicians, you and I could disagree vehemently, but we could go break bread, have beers, laugh, and make it work for America, not be in our far left camp or our far right camp. It's like, LeBron makes everything work. Don't this is, no, no, LeBron's not going to be number two. It's not in his DNA I saw the last time Michael Jordan ever played a game in Portland, Oregon. He was there all the time because of Nike.

He was the best player on the floor. And Rashid played in that game. He was a best player. That was his DNA. Michael's never a two. Michael, 10 years out of the league, would walk back into the league and would have been the man on a team. It may not have been the most athletic, the best vertical.

He would have been the man on the team. Pippin was never a number one. Bird is a one. Magic's a one. Magic walked into Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Five minutes later, it was Magic's team. LeBron moved to Wade County with D. Wade. Seven practices in.

D's like, yeah, it's LeBron's team. Not Anthony Davis's team. It's LeBron's team. Every team LeBron's on, it's LeBron's team. All right. One of the guys in our team we like, Greg CoSell 40 years at NFL films. That's a remarkable, right?

We never hear somebody out. I've been married 40 years. I'm in a company for 40 years. That guy knows where the bathrooms are. When you're at a company for 40 years. Greg Cosell is joining us. So I'm watching. I just got into this discussion with Greg Jennings, Greg. And I said, if you told me three years from today, Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson, I would take

Kyler Murray. I think he's got a Russell Wilson thing. I think the baseball thing, he slides. I think he's accurate. I think he throws a stunning football. He's got a rookie head coach, a bad offensive line, a rebuilding current situation. Baltimore's obviously. incredibly well-run, smartly coached. So what does the film say, Greg, on Kyler Murray? What do you see? Pretty positive. I think very much of what they do is also dependent on who they play.

I mean, this past week, for instance, they played a Bucks team that played Kyle in a ton of zone coverage. A Bucks team that had played a lot of man prior to this, but they chose to play zone against Kailor Murray in the cards. And Murray was able to hit that back foot, deliver the ball comfortably, not really get out of rhythm. he's a very good thrower. You know, it's interesting you mentioned Lamar Jackson.

We'll get to him in a while, but he runs a very specific offense. And I know people probably think that Cliff Kingsbury's offense is specific, but it's really not. He's sort of evolved into running what NFL teams kind of do. So it's Kyle Murray's a very, very good thrower of the football, and we saw a lot of that this week. Everybody is selling their Sean McBays-a-Genius card and Jared Goff's worth the money card. It looks like interior offensive line issues to me. I think the Bears can beat the Rams this weekend. A year ago, everybody was copying the Rams, trying to be the next ram.

Now it looks like they have an offensive line crisis to me. What's the film say? And that's a major part of it, because you have to understand that even though they threw for a lot of yards the previous two years, it was an offense built on a couple of things. Number one, it was built on the outside zone run game and the action that that created. It was built on jet motion. and the action that that created, and all these expanded a defense vertically, and they were able then to stretch the field, they were able to stretch the field,

excuse me, expand the offense horizontally and stretch the field vertically, and they created space. So what happens now with the O-line not being very good, with the run game not being a factor, they're in far too many third and long situations. Yes. Last year through nine games, they were not in as many. This year, they're, I think, in something like 20 more, a third, and seven plus situations

or a year ago through nine games and that's a big, big number. And Gough is a, he's not the reason for this, he's a symptom of it because Gough is a programmed player who needs these things to work and then he can throw the ball very well. Yeah.

Sometimes you see an NFL game and it just kind of changes the way you think. And I went into Monday Night Football thinking San Francisco would control Seattle. And then Josh Gordon mattered and Jadavian Clowny matters. mattered, and I think to myself, well, maybe it's George Kittles' injury. What did you make of Seattle and the Niners? What jumped out to you?

Well, I thought on defense, the Seahawks came out very aggressive and challenging, and that's not the way they normally play. They had two boundary corner blitzes on the first possession. They were very aggressive. Clowny clearly played the best game of his career. Yes. So I think what they did, without Kiddle being there, as a true option, I think they were able to play that. way. And Garapolo, I don't think Garoppolo played poorly. He missed some things. I thought the fact that Seattle came out really aggressively did, I don't want to say it took San Francisco by surprise, but I thought Garapolo on the first possession missed two open receivers within the context of the

route concept and the read and didn't pull the trigger. But there were also a number of drops that would have changed the game, and we might be having a different conversation. Yeah. Now, New Orleans loses to Atlanta every week in the NFL. NFL, we get a what the hell just happened moment. Right, right. What happened to New Orleans usually robust offense? Well, first of all, they were totally out of whack with their run-pass ratio. And that happens to a couple of games a year with Sean Payton.

And sometimes they win those games, and we don't really notice it. But they were really out of whack in that regard. It was too many dropbacks for Drew Brees. They did not even attempt to run the vault much at all. The other thing is their O-Line had a really un-calculative. characteristically bad performance. They struggled with one-on-one blocks. They lost Andres Pete, I think, early in the second half,

and his replacement really struggled in past protection. Claiborne, who it seems like twice a year has a great individual game, had a great individual game, both rushing at D-end and at D-Tackle, and they were really good with their stunt game. A lot of multiple stunt concepts, and that caused problems for the Saints' offensive line. Yeah, it happens. They were in that game. Again, when you don't establish the run, you got to at least try.

They didn't, and it got ugly. Now, I thought Dak Prescott played as well as I've seen him play. I think Minnesota's got a real defense. It's got, you know, players. I mean, real safeties, real linebackers, real size. What is the, what is, but here's my concern, Greg. I believe a team like Baltimore has an identity. when the Cowboys can't figure out late in a game to keep it in Dax's hands,

I question if they have a true identity offensively. I don't doubt their talent. But what is their offense? What is their identity? When do you like Dallas's offense the most? Well, they still give the ball to Zee quite a bit. He carried 20 times in that game. I think most people would feel that certainly that Elliott was sort of the starting point

of their offense. I know a lot of people talk. generalities and say, well, now it's transitioning to DAC, but there's still a team that will run the ball. They're a team that I'm struggling to figure out because I think offensively, I think they're a top five talent team in the league. Wow. Dax's playing very well.

They've got a great back. They're receiving trio at wide receiver is really, really good. The other thing that stands out is that Prescott is pristine in the pocket most of the time where there's no one around him. So their offense on tape looks really good. So I'm really struggling to figure out why they're five and four because I think offensively that they're top five in the league and they've got every dimension you could want on the offensive side of the ball.

Yeah, no. And, you know, they're much more functional as an organization, despite some, you know, vanity by Jerry. They draft well. They've got good young players everywhere. I like their organization. I think, you know, the question you just said, why are they five and four, the numbers would tell you they shouldn't be.

But it does, and I'm not one of these fire the coach guy, but is there a, are people, is Jason Garrett to you when you watch Dallas play? Do you think, oh, that's a brilliantly scheme team? Well, I think you have to be careful with that. And I'll tell you what, first of all, you and I don't know what goes into their game plan. Right. And neither do the fans. So what happens in games, like in their game this past week, when they got down inside

the 10 and they handed the ball to Elliot. And of course, because those plays didn't work, and that, of course, became two horrible calls. But, you know, they're a team that does a lot of different things. They have a very good run game for the most part. Obviously, this week, Elliot didn't gain a lot of yards, but he's gained 100 yards a number of times this year. No one would argue, I don't think, that he's not a great back. So they have what you want.

You can debate that. You know, it's funny. You know how this works. For the first three weeks of the season, Kellan Moore was a genius. He's going to be the next head coach by week five. Then all of a sudden they lose three in a row, and he's too young. He doesn't know what he's doing. So, you know, you can't really have it both ways.

You know, they're a really good offensive team with a lot of weapons. You know, and there's other teams. Like they are so much more talented, let's say, than Philly, who could be the slowest offense in the NFL. Wow. Wow. So that's Philadelphia hosts New England this weekend. So if you're Bill Bell –

So you have been very critical of the Eagles. I like Zach Ertz, although I don't think he's dynamic. I'm not critical. The tape tells me. And the tape tells you Philadelphia is just not special. They have, I think that Belichick, and again, I can't get into Belichick's head, but my sense is he's going to look at the Eagles offensive this way. I'm going to deal with the Zach Ertz.

So one of two ways. I'm either going to double him in critical situations, or I'm going to do what I did in the AFC championship game a year ago, and I'm going to put J.C. Jackson on him, because that's what he did with Travis Kelsey in the ASC championship game, and he took Kelsey out. And then I'm going to the only other player I really need to worry about is Miles Sanders. And I'm going to do particular things with him, particularly when he's offset in the backfield. I'm going to have a defensive end instead of rush the quarterback.

I'm going to have him run right at Miles Sanders and prevent him from releasing into routes. And then I'm going to just play man-to-man against the three wide receivers because I'm going to feel pretty comfortable that I can cover those three wide receivers. And since there's no speed, they're not going to beat me. Sounds like if I was a betting man, I'd take New England. That was a great breakdown right there. Well, that's what I think's going to happen. Yeah. Well, I'd usually agree with you.

So I think I'm just going to go spend my 401k on New England after that breakdown. Okay, we're going to have a big disagreement here. Are you ready for our biggest disagreement ever? All right, let's see. You like Mason Rudolph. I like what I've seen on tape. Now, he hasn't played enough for me to say that I like him and think that he's going to be a top 10 quarterback in the league. I think the tape has shown some positive things.

What? I think that he's very strong and firm in the pocket. And he plays with great technique, holds the ball firm, is oblivious to bodies around him, and has shown the ability to make late in the down throws at the intermediate levels. And I really like that. He's not a mover. He's not going to run around and make plays. He's a certain kind of quarterback.

But I think there's a toughness and kind of a physicality to his game. Now, he's not a great thrower of the football, but he does stand there, firm, gets on his front foot, drives through throws, which allows him to throw at the intermediate level well. And that allows the digs, that allows the outs. So I think he's played well the last couple of weeks, yes. Okay, I'm going to give him one more. I'm going to give him tonight. But just so you know, I'm not sitting here telling you that I think he's going to be a top five quarter. I'm just reacting to what the tape has shown the last couple of weeks.

It's just like people talk about Allen from Carolina. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that he's a big-time starter going forward in the NFL, but he's now played seven or eight games, and he's acquitted himself very well. There are certain things I like. There's a few other things that at times are troubling, but he's not been overwhelmed at all by any situation he's been in. Certainly was not overwhelmed playing in Lambeau Field in a critical situation and has made some very good throws.

Mason Rudolph, Kyle Allen, you're the GM. On the clock. Who do you take? That's a tough call because Rudolph hasn't played enough for me to have a real strong point of view on that. All right, fair enough. I'm very tough on you today. I'm doing like... No, that's okay.

That's okay. I'm just going to tell you what the film shows. I know, that's why I like you. You're like a film critic for guys in cleats. Yeah, you know. You're my film critic. Okay. Finally, Lamar Jackson's dynamic.

I've heard people say, listen, this was Kaepernick. He had Greg Roman. It's the Kaepernick offense. And I've heard people say that. And Greg Roman did work with Kaepernick. I don't know that this is, what do you make of, he's your big play this week. What do you make of what you're seeing? It's kind of wild and fun.

Well, here's how I would answer that. I think this is a very intriguing offense because it's a very, if I have time, I'm going to tell you two things. Sure. It's very low risk, but extremely hard to defend. And number two, they play with multiple tight ends a lot, meaning two tight ends and three tight ends. So what do defenses do? They line up with their base personnel, which means they have bigger, slower, people on the field. And now they run their offense, the Ravens, this multiple run dimension

offense that spread you out horizontally. And now you have bigger, slower people on the field because they do it out of two and three tight end sets. So I'm curious what defensive coordinators will do going forward because they're playing with slow people against Lamar Jackson. Even though they have two, three tight ends on the field, they then can't get to the perimeter to defend him. That's fascinating. What's your big? play with him. Actually, what I decided to do is to show a pass because I thought this was very interesting. So let's run the play. I believe this was his last touchdown to Hollywood Brown. And I want to show you why I really like this play. Number one, you're going to see Lamar Jackson.

He's in an empty set. There's no back, just five receivers. And Marquise Brown is in the inside slot to the three receiver side of the field. There will be two blitzers, a safety and a linebacker. attack Jackson from the same side. Another safety, Jesse Bates, will then end up matching up to Hollywood Brown because he has to. There's no other player who can match up. The two blitzers will come. Now, Jackson can see them and he can feel them.

Brown hasn't even begun his break yet when Lamar Jackson starts to throw the ball. This is really, really good. Now, he knows where he's going and there's no defender there, so it's not as if it's a difficult read, but it's a very good timing throw with great accuracy. And what I really liked about this, which will get a better feel from the end zone look at this, the two blitzers again, they're going to come. There's no blocker because it's empty. There's no blocker for the safety Sean Williams,

and the linebacker Hubbard actually gets in clean as well. So now you have two defenders bearing down on him, and he knows he's going to take a shot. But I love the way he stood in there and delivered this ball. See, that to me is quarterback play. We know he's dynamic. We know he can run. That's a given. but to me that was really good quarterback play and I really liked that play.

Yeah, he got smoked, by the way. He did. That's a real hit. No, he did. When a 211-pound guy gets a free run at you with pads and stuff, that's a shot. All right, I like this. We were back. Okay, now, I'm going to go back on that Mason-Rudolph thing.

I may be even tougher next week on that. Well, we'll see how we do. Hey, maybe he'll be poor tonight. I'm just telling you what the last two weeks have shown. Very good. Greg CoSell, 40 years NFL films. Thank you, sir. All right, Colin, thanks. John Gruden's talking.

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So let's talk Thursday Night Football Super 6. The last question for tonight's game is, which team will win and buy how many points? Colin, who you got? Steelers win, cover the spread. Steelers win, cover the spread. I'm going to ask you a question. Okay.

Vegas is telling you, this line, this is the craziest line I've seen this year. This is crazy. Who has the better coach? That'd be the Steelers. Not close. Who's got the better offensive? line. The Steelers. Not even close. Steelers are the best offensive line with Dallas and football.

Who's got the better defense? The Steelers. Right now, today, they lead the NFL in takeaways. Their second and their third in sacks. So I get the better coach, the significantly better O line, the better defense, the better culture. You can argue right now the better quarterback. The Steelers in the last month are allowing 16 points a game. And the line is Cleveland minus three, meaning Vegas thinks they're giving Cleveland the three because a home field advantage.

That's what a home field advantage is in the NFL except Lambo's four. It's the same. You think these are even teams. Am I out of my gourd on this? But Baker has a lot of commercials. Honestly, I am going

to bet all odds provided by Fox Bet. I'm going to bet real money on the Steelers tonight. This line makes Yeah, I am also. It makes no sense. Where is Cleveland better?

Does coaching matter? Does O-Line matter? Does defense matter? This is crazy. Is it just because it's Thursday night football and it's in Cleveland and the crowd's lubricated? I mean, I think that, you know, it's, you know, it's Baker's house. I bet you're 30% Steelers fans.

I mean, there would be some Steelers fans there. You'll know them. They're the ones that'll still be coherent by the second quarter. Browns fans are. are loyal, Browns fans show up. I mean, you're going to see some Steelers there just because of the proximity of the cities. By the way, James Conner's back.

I don't even understand this line. It's crazy town. Shouldn't Pittsburgh be favored by like, okay, I'm done. I'm just, I'm not, you know, listen, you do what you want with your money. Tonight, I'm spending all mine. I'm going to call my broker 401K

right over to the Steelers. By the way, my wife says something all the time. My wife uses this term all the time. Stay current. You don't want to be one of these old sportscasters that gets grumpy and like, I just love baseball, everything else. She's for the birds. And so my wife has always been, what are young people like?

And I'm like young people like UFC. And she's like you should watch UFC. And what are young people like? And I'm like soccer. So we buy season tickets to LAFC and we watch soccer. And she said, you've got to stay current. It's very funny. The Raiders this year have shocked me.

Remember when John Gruden got the job? And he had that press conference. I want to run a clip of that. And it was one of those things where I remember saying, oh, God, no, he's becoming rigid old guy. He said this. Are you talking about the analytics, the GPS, all the modern technology?

Man, I'm trying to throw the game back to 1998. There's a stack of analytical data or data, however you want to say that word, that people don't even know how to read it. It's one thing to have the data or data. It's another thing to know how to read it. damn thing. So I'm not going to rely on GPSs and all the modern technology. My takeaway was, oh, no, no, no, he's not like Woody Hayes, Bobby Knight. This is not going to be

one of these Mike Ditka, like, but you know what? I have watched the Raiders every game this year. They're current. They're with it. Their special teams are clever. He attacked the offensive line. He likes to run the football. My favorite kind of people, are people that have an old school knowledge, but they're not stubborn and not rigid. And I watch people in my business and I watch people in other businesses. I'm like, listen, the world's moving.

You either move with it or your yesterday's news. I mean, just for self-preservation reasons, evolve, stay in shape, get new tech, figure stuff out, surround yourself with some young people. I mean, if you want to go at 55 and golf for the rest of your life, knock yourself out. You're going to live to be 90. You're going to be sitting there by yourself.

next old grumpy guys complaining about taxes. Like Gruden is old school, but when you watch the Raiders play, they're clever, three-step drop, get it out, power running, clever on special teams. I like it. I like it. Brett Farf said yesterday, he'd make him coach of the year. I think I'd make John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, isn't it ironic? My two coaches of the year candidates are in the same division as Freddie Kitchens.

You may have the two worst jobs and the two best jobs in coaching. Tomlin and Harbob done the best job. Zach Taylor hasn't won, and Freddie Kitchens about to get on Greyhound and get out of town. So it's been an interesting coaching division. But I'll give this to Gruden. He sounded old school. There's some nostalgia to him. There's definitely nostalgia, which I like nostalgia.

You can say you don't like nostalgia. If you look at the polling right now, conservatives are going to vote again for a 75-year-old guy, and liberals this morning are going to vote for Elizabeth Warren, and I think she's almost 70. So you can't tell me you don't like nostalgia. We do trust, you know, the gray hair nostalgia has a place in America. Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the Herdline News. So, Tyler Murray was in attendance from the Lakers' play the Sons in Phoenix on Tuesday. I saw that. He got a little, a little dat from LeBron while I was sitting in court side. Respect. And Kyler spoke about what an amazing moment that was for him. It was crazy for me just because, I mean, I mean, he's like Michael Jordan to, you know, kids my age. So, you know, getting to watch him up close.

And then him, you know, acknowledging me at the end, it was pretty dope. Do you see the blue? You know what LeBron says here? I like you better than Amar. You can see quickly there. He said, I love the way you throw the ball. You slide. I'm telling you, folks, you think I'm nuts on this.

You're not watching Kyler play. He's, he's, what he's doing with that offensive line is amazing. I do think what Kyler's doing this year is to be commended. We didn't have a. A lot of questions. Hold on. We had a lot of questions about Tyler Murray coming into the season. I know I certainly did. You sound like Belichick with Brady. We had a lot of conversations on this show about how he was too short. I did have.

We know about what Cliff Kingsbury is going to do. I was a little cynical on a couple of shows briefly. Well, anyway. I can acknowledge I was, he can play. He can. He can. He can really play. Which is great. The future of the NFL is in good hands. This makes sense, though. I mean, he did not see Michael Jordan play. Like, have you've seen Michael Jordan? You're a Jordan zealot.

Myself, I'm a Jordan zealot. I mean, obviously, the Bron is incredible. Did you like Kobe? I did like Kobe, yes. Yeah, because a lot of people are like, we're an MJ or a Kobe guy. I liked them both. I mean, MJ, to me is, I mean, he's my all-time favorite player in any sport period. Like, he's my favorite in everything.

But, I mean, I'm also a Wade fan. I mean, now I'm at the point. in my life where I'm just enjoying watching basketball. Like I don't have a favorite player, to say. Like, I like Westbrook. Yeah. You don't like Westbrook. No, I do not.

As players, they like watching. But Kylo Murray saying he's a Michael Jordan kid to his age makes perfect sense. I'm sure that was a fun moment for him. So, obviously, the Browns host of Steelers tonight in an AFC North showdown, very big game for both teams. The Browns are currently plus 800 to make the playoffs. But if they win tonight against the Steelers, their projective odds to make the playoffs on Fox Bet, jump to plus 400. So the AFC playoff picture right now,

obviously the Patriots are in first place at 8 and 1. And you have the Ravens, Texans, Chiefs, Bills, and then the Steelers. Now, the Steelers are 5 and 4, the Raiders are 5 and 4. The Colts are 5 and 4. This is a huge game tonight. This is a very, very important game. Guy, we've been so lucky this year on Monday night football games and Thursday night games. We've gotten some great games.

I do think that, well, I think that Steelers are going to win tonight. I don't know. I just hope they don't fire Friday Kitchens after this game. Oh, God, no. That's not the solution to anything. If you're listening, please don't do that. Yeah, don't do that. Finally, this is fun.

Number two overall pick, John Morant, is off to a great start in his NBA career. He's averaging 18.3 points, 5.8 assists in just 10 games for the Grizzlies. And last night, he made an incredible game-winning layup surrounded by defenders. Grizzlies beat the Hornets, 119, 1-19. 117. Nice. Grown man move right there. He's been playing just incredible.

I also think he did a really good job working on his body before the season started. He looks a little bigger, a little stronger. But he's so, my God, he's so fun to watch. He's everything that we thought he was going to be. Yeah. That's great. That's a big, that's a grown-up move right there. It is a grown-up move.

Listen, he's this tiny guy among the trees and he goes off-hand and makes it work. Because his handle is just so incredible. I watched the kid. There's a kid last night. Look this guy up. This guard for Marquette. You guys seen the guard for Marquette? Oh, he looks like John Moran.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, John Moran is second in Rookie of the Year odds on Fox Bet right now. Obviously, Zion is still plus 200. John Moran plus 275. RJ Barrett having a good start to his career as well. Plus 350. He's averaging 16 points and 5.8 rebounds, 4.1 assist.

Yeah. Good start for them. RJ is another one of those guys. looked like, to me, he's thicker than he wasn't due. Yes, yes. Yeah, like he got big. Good stuff, Joy, with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. All right, Peter King around. We got Peter King here on a Thursday. We're very, very lucky. Will Blackman, though, is a riot. He's going to be joining us, Wine, Somali, former NFL or Will Blackman in the last hour.

Peter King around the corner, his thoughts on what we'll see tonight. I think Pittsburgh. I think Mike Tomlin maybe is the coach of the year. He and Harbaugh in the same division. This game was built for me. This is, I got Baker, I got the Steelers. This game is great tonight on Fox. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio,

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I don't remember a time in my life. I loved watching the NFL more. I think we've been talking about Kyler Murray today. We're not watching Arizona. He is, looks like Russell Wilson to me. He's an amazing talent, but we're paying attention to Lamar because Lamar's on a much better team. Peter King via the Coward Global Satellite Network joining us multiple times sports writer

of the year, NBCSports.com. You talk to Bruce Ariens, by the way. We've been talking about Kyler Murray today. Lamar's getting the love. I get it. his team's going to win the division. What did Bruce Ariens say about him? Loved him. He said he reminded him a lot of Russell Wilson. And he said seeing him in person up front was really different, you know, than watching him on tape. But yeah, he's, he was a big

fan, except he almost beat him. Yeah. You know, except Murray almost beat, beat Ariens. Yeah. No, he does. And then we got a kid at Alabama named Tua, who also looks a little bit like Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray. So the game is getting very athletic and very fun at that position. A couple of issues today. Steelers play tonight. Mason Rudolph, hit and miss. I'm not a huge

fan. Baker, I've obviously been critical of. I do think Mike Tomlin needs to be commended. There are times I've thought this organization is too loose. But I've got to tell you something, Peter. I bailed on this team week four. I'm like, I'm out. This is as good a job

as Tomlin's done. We don't know if Mason Rudolph can play, but go back to the Big Ben early years. Does it remind you at all of that? It very much reminds me of that. And the other day, Charlie Batch, the ex-Steeler quarterback who works in the media there now, basically he said it reminds him of. And when he said it, I thought he was right. Reminds them of some of the coward teams, you know, where they were really struggling at quarterback and didn't have a solution at quarterback. But they always had a defense that was going to keep you in games. That's exactly what they have right now. You know, as long as Mason Rudolph doesn't make the big mistake,

and he's made a few of them, as long as he doesn't make the big mistake, they have a chance to win any game they're in because their defense is maturing. Nobody can block T.J. Watt. You know, Devin Bush has been, you know, getting better by the week. Their secondary Mink of Fitzpatrick, here's the amazing thing, Colin. almost think that the Ben Rothesberger injury almost motivated them to go get Mika Fitzpatrick. And you say, well, why would that be? And I think it's because the Steelers knew to have any chance to win this year. And they didn't think there was any dominant team in their division. To have a chance to win this year, they were going to be able to win, but they had to play great defense in order to do so. So at the time,

they got killed for trading next year's one for Mika Fitzpatrick, but it's looking like a pretty good deal in retrospect. We were talking today. I like nostalgia. America does. If you look at the top four or five political candidates, most are over 60 years old. People say they want new,

but people are comfortable with old and experience. John Gruden's old school, nostalgia, but he's not old and rigid. Belichick's old. He's not rigid. Pete's older. He's not rigid. They're a vulver. Sabin's older. He's not rigid. I've seen rigid coaches. I am shocked by Gruden. I thought 10 years is too long. Maybe you're not. Was there a moment this year or during this process, you've said, this is going to work in Oakland. Gruden's going to work despite a hiatus of 10 years.

I thought it would work in Oakland when on the day after the draft, I was in Alameda at the Raiders offices in the quiet morning after. day one of the draft. This was on the morning of day two. And Mike Mayock sat with me and ran through the first round with me. And one of the things he said is on both the, both of their second and third picks, okay? So they had picked furrow number one. Yeah. And then they go for the running back, obviously Josh Jacobs and then, and then Jonathan Abrams, the safety, the hard hitting safety from Mississippi State. And John Gruy, really wanted to trade up, you know, to make sure that they weren't going to miss either Jacobs or, or, uh, or Abram. And Mayhack said, don't worry, don't worry, we're going to be okay. He had done

his due diligence and he didn't think anybody was going to leapfrog him for either guy. And so they got both guys where they wanted to get him. And at that time, even though Gruden was sweating bullets that they were going to lose one of them, I think that's when he knew, okay, we got an adult in the room over here. And we needed an adult in the room who I would trust. And now he put his money where his mouth is, basically, and said, we're going to be able to get our guys. Don't worry. They got him. And that's when I really thought, okay, Gruden is going to trust Mayok, and this thing is going to work. By the way, it's interesting with Lamar Jackson. Final question about three and a half minutes here. People have said to Lamar about Lamar Jackson,

well, it's Kaepernick. Same offensive coordinator. You actually have a Harbaugh coaching the team. It's very Kaepernick. It doesn't feel the same to me. I think he's more dynamic as a runner. I think he's incredibly coachable. And I actually think John Harbaugh is the better coach of the Harbaugh brothers. When you look at Lamar, do you see some Kaepernick here? Because the coordinator, the Harbaugh, the style.

What do you see? I see some Kaepernick, but I also see him more able, in my opinion, anyway, to complete the very big throw when you really need it. And again, this is probably unfair. It's a small sample size. We talked about it on the show last week. There was a play in the middle of the third quarter against the Patriots when it was a 24-20 game, third and five,

where the Patriots rushed sixth. They blitzed Lamar Jackson. He stayed in the pocket and he made a beautiful throw for 18 yards to Mark Andrews on a deep corner route. And again, those are the kind of passes that if you can complete those in the NFL, you are going to have a long, long life in the NFL. And that to me is where Lamar Jackson differentiates himself

from a lot of quarterbacks right now. He's not just Michael Vick, because when you have to complete a throw, when it's important that you've got to throw the ball downfield, it's third and eight or whatever, and you need one, I'm not saying he's not going to fail on some of them, but I really trust Lamar Jackson to be able to complete those balls. By the way, we're not, Joey and I are not big fans of firing coaches.

I don't think Freddie Kitchens deserves all the blame. Do you think they can't him at the end of the year or even before then? You know, I think he's got a chance to save his job because John Dorsey doesn't want to fire him unless he really has to. They have a chance with this schedule coming up to make a little bit of hay and to eliminate these mistakes and for Baker Mayfield to play better. if they cut their penalties in half, if Mayfield plays like he played the last half of last year,

and if they go, you know, one over 500 the rest of the way, I think he saves his job. Yeah. Great game tonight, by the way. It has real meaning. Peter King, NBC. Yeah, NBCSports.com.

Good talking you. Peter. Thank you. Thank you, Colin. Yeah, last six coach has been fired by Cleveland all after a Pittsburgh loss. So. Well, you know. You know, listen,

the Jets did something yesterday, which I totally agree with. We said this yesterday. They said, we're going to keep Adam Gays. The Jets' projections in Vegas were 7 and 9. They lost their quarterback for a month with Mono. If you look at their schedule, they're going to go 6 and 10, 5 and 11. If I'd have told you, they're going to bring in C.J. Mosley, he'll never play. They're tied in, Herndon, who's great, never plays. Sam gets mono, backup gets hurt, third stringer, and they went 6 and 10.

You'd be like all things considered? I've considered this season to be gone. We said it was lost in week three. He was sick. So the Jets are like, no, no, no, we're fine. Like, don't, don't overreact. The Jets, once Sam Darnold got mono, you're six and ten. Five and a, that's what you are.

Yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's reality. It's the reality of it. You have a battle line with backup quarterbacks. Jets did the right thing. Now, I do think they need to separate Greg Williams and Gase. I don't think they get along. I would go out and get a better younger defensive coordinator. Hour three, Will Blackman around the cornerist.

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When's the last good trip you went on? I was in London for two months. Two months? months. You are London. Very sophisticated. Pocket Square matches the tie. I like what you're doing right there. Thank you to Autumn downstairs dressing rooms. Very nice. So what was London like, by the way? They play over in the NFL. The players like it. They do. I went there. I was with Sky Sports. You didn't went for the Raider Bear game. I went Raider Bear and the Panther bucks. And the players are good with it. So they played at Totham State, the new stadium.

Right. Unreal. They actually changed the pitch. They have grass for soccer, their football, and then they switch it to field turf for NFL football. And they have NFL-specific locker rooms. It's ridiculous. Wow. So you were impressed with London and the NFL? Yeah, totally impressed. Totally impressed.

Okay, good for you. I'm going to London this April. Oh, very nice. Yeah, yeah. Let me know. I got you. What do you got me? Like, what do you need to go?

What do you want to do? Okay. All right. Listen, I went to an autumn lunch at Fortner & Mason's. In the same room, Winston Churchill had his 71st birthday. and next to me was Rachel Johnson, Boris Johnson's sister. So we were hanging out.

We had wine, you know, had some duck. I'm not a duck fan. I never had duck. I'm not a fan. This was great with Bojolet. What do you got? I hate eating things that I watched as a kid on the water. All right, Brown Steelers tonight.

You played mostly for functional organizations. You played as a proud member of the New York Giants and the Green Bay Packers. And then you went to Washington where it was dysfunctional. Well, I was in Jacksonville where it was rebuilt. It wasn't dysfunctional. It was rebuilding. Yeah. So I would think that when you look at the Cleveland Browns, that just, let me ask you, Freddie Kitchens, what would you do with them?

What's wrong? I felt like what Freddie Kitchens, imagine you get, you're driving a car. All you driven was an automatic. My whole life. American made automatic car. And all of a sudden, you go in your garage and you had this. Italian sports car that's manual. You're like, how the hell do I drive this thing?

Right. I feel like that's kind of what's going on. He just doesn't know what to do with the parts. Because, I mean, we said this before. On paper, fantastic. What's going to happen when they start dealing with adversity, the culture? We talked about this before. And this was my concern.

You said, if they lose three in a row, this is a losing culture. Right. It's going to be, it's really tough. And you need someone who's there who's able to handle that kind of adversity. I believe they have the right personnel in terms of players. I think they just need the right people who can manage that stuff. And I think right now we're at Freddie Kitchens. Even when he got hired, he didn't have much experience of dealing with that kind of stuff.

Kind of blown away by the Steelers, to be honest with you. I've been critical of Mike Tomlin. He and Pete Carroll can drive me nuts. Pete was great on Monday night. Right. And Mike Tomlin, probably my co-coach of the year. They both, Steelers and Seahawks, they both always reset. Quickly.

They never rebuild. You look at everything that the Steelers lost. Look at everything that Seattle lost. It's like, oh, no, no, we're just going to reset, you know. By the way, both super aggressive. Trade for Minka, trade for clowny. Trade for digs. No, it's let's go.

And both paying off immediately on Monday night. Diggs had a pick, Clownie had a touchdown. Clowning, the best he's ever played. Mika Fitzpatrick could be defensive. Leading five picks. Interesting. He did, what he's doing right now in half a season is all pro season for most defensive backs. Yeah, Mika Fitzpatrick.

Who do you like tonight? Browns. Why? Look at your face. Why? Because, you know what? I just, as much as Baker stresses me out, I just, I still just believe in the kid. I do.

I do. And I put out a tweet. I was like, Baker, get your stuff together. Let's go. And they end up coming through, winning that game last week. You're rooting for him. Yeah. He's an underdog.

I just feel like he is the type of quarterback that should be in Cleveland. Like they need somebody with his personality. Whether you like or not, he's going to be who he is. And yeah, it does drive me nuts sometimes. I wish I'm like, okay, Baker, chill out. But he's the guy. And Mason Rudolph, frankly, is Pittsburgh. This is how they did it with Big Ben.

Right. Throw 20 times a game. hand the ball off, good offensive line. People forget it. It took two years until they really let Ben make plays. It's true. What's happening for the Steelers is that these first-round picks are paying off ASAP. They're all good.

Like right now, T.J. Watt, Evan Bush, Minka. And then Joe Hayden is feeling he's healthy. When he's healthy, he's one of the top dudes. Okay, so you were over in London. And it was kind of the moment in the NFL season. The Raiders went over there and just punched Chicago right in the forehead. And I remember watching that game like, okay, timeout, reset. I don't get the lead.

they were losing. What did you make of the Raiders? What do you make of the Raiders? I truly commend the Raiders because they went through some serious drama that most teams cannot recover from. A.B. situations a disaster. They could have that alone, you know. And then with Derek Carr talking about, hey, they might get Colin Murray. They might get a new quarterback. It's a rap. It's done for him.

Burfect gets thrown out for the year. It gets thrown out for the year. You know, bring in incognito. Like all these things that's going on, you have a new GM in Mayock that people say, oh, he can't do it. I just love the fact that they are together. And I believe this the six-week trip or however long they were on the road truly helped them. Yeah, I was out there. I got to talk to Derek Har. I did an interview with him.

I got to talk to here Whitehead. And they said that being together on the road for that long, I paid dividends in terms of everybody being together. Because it's just us. There's no like, okay, we have a home game. Everybody part ways. Go to your daily lives. We don't see each other until the next day. No, we're on the road.

This is us. This is all we have. And I think, and plus the type of people they brought in there, you know, one of their starters, Hunter Renfro, you know, he earned everything he's got. By the way, all their offensive pieces, incognito. Jacobs. Jacobs. Hunter Refro.

They have a tied end from LSU. Right. There's somebody. Even Waller, the one who they paid. They stole it. Every, say what you want about Gruden. They have a story, man. All their offensive guys have worked.

They haven't with on any offensive guys. But they have a story where they have resilience, you know, where they have earned everything they've gotten. And they're fighting to either rebuild their identity, rebuild their career. It's something. And this is a place where I feel like they all get along with each other. So I'm going to throw this out to you. I'll catch it.

That's very good. So this weekend, Deshaun, takes on Lamar. And Lamar is now the flavor of the month in the NFL. So a poll came out yesterday on Bleacher Report. Would you rather start your franchise with Lamar Jackson or Russell Wilson? To that I say, pumped to breaks a day. Who asked that question? Who did it again? Drunk people.

So here's my point. So here's my point. So this weekend, Deshawn's going to beat Lamar Jackson. So here's my point. So does Sean Watson... Slow down. Just hear me out on this. I hear you, but you can say he's going to beat him.

Deshawn Watson goes to two national championship games. That's cool. Mitch Trubisky and his own conference gets drafted ahead of him. No love. Deshawn's first NFL season, four-game stretch of 16 touchdowns, never been done. The coach that year started Tom Savage over him, no love. Deshawn year two off an ACL goes 11 and 5 with a bad offensive line in a coach we don't like. Mahomes gets the awards, no love.

Year three, he's completing 70%. We still don't like the head coach, 18 DD's 5 picks. Lamar Jackson gets the love. what is it about Deshaun Watson? Tribisky got the love. Mahomes got the love. Lamar Jackson got the love. I saw him play Deshaun Watson.

Deshawn gets love. No, not even close to Mahomes. Not even close to Lamar Jackson. That's not true. Today, franchise. Mahomes, Deshawn Watson. Who do you pick? Franchise right now.

Today, GM. Deshawn Watson. Thank you. I got nothing against Mahomes. Nothing. I love Mahomes. Okay, so why would you pick Deshawn Watson over? I feel like what I saw last year, in a loss in the playoffs with DeShone Watson,

nothing was going right. And he just made his mind up. I'm just going to go and try to win his game, period. Where there was times where guys might have been open, he's like, I'm not throwing. I'm just going to run for it. I'm just going to keep going. With him, I just, he's never rattled. Ever.

Never rattled. It's really remarkable. Yeah. He just keeps getting diss. Trebisky, Tom Savage. And people can say what they want like about the coach. They might not like it. but he's overcame any situation.

He keeps losing receivers. He keeps, he went through like five running backs. Offensive line, decimated. He gets beat up every year. He took a bus to a game. Took a bus to a game just to play in the game. Yeah, I think he's going to be, I think the headline Monday is going to be, oh, Deshaun. Deshawn.

Deshawn Lamar just went off. Well, Lamar is a unique. Could you have been your fastest. Could you outrun Lamar Jackson? No. don't think so, right? What did you run a 40 in? 4-4-1. Really? Wow, why is this? What is this?

That's fast. You always felt like a 4-5-4 guy to me. Really? That's messed up. I will throw this microphone across the room. That is messed up, man. I didn't train for the 40 either. I couldn't imagine if I trained for it. Okay, so Tom Brady, he said he's going to play until he's 47 years old. How old are you today? I turned 35 a week ago, two weeks ago. Yeah. Tom Brady's 42. Still in the the league. He's a quarterback. That's some of it. That's a lot of it. Let me ask you this. Would you want to play football at 47?

Would you want to? The practice, the grind, the weather, would you want to? You're a bomb-vin-von-in-law. If I'm him, absolutely not. I did everything. See, I think a lot of people, I think the psychology... I did everything, you know? Sometimes, maybe that's just his driving factor. Your last year in the league, were you done with football? No. You wanted to play? Yeah. I didn't retire in my own. I never really announced that I retired. They just assumed I did. They just put on my Wikipedia. Retired. I didn't ask for it. It's on your Wikipedia? I just had a workout a month ago. With who? Oakland. So they had called in. Joy. In London. How about that?

Oh, you were over there covering it? When I was there covering it. Funny story. So I was there. I was talking to Mayock and DeWin Joseph. Yeah, I was talking those guys and we were trying to figure out of time. They had interest to work me up. And I was like, we can in agreement, hey, we're going to be in London at the same time. So on Wednesday, I go there with my credentials as an analyst and I interview a bunch of players and Mike's like, come on Friday. I was like, all right. I came Friday.

I had my cleats. It was raining. It was windy. It was gross. And I worked out on that Friday. How did you do okay? I lit it up, dude. What's that mean? Which means I'm on the short list, which means of, you know. Lit it up. Yeah. Tackling dummies? What'd you do? So it got to a point where I was like, no, I did a bunch of defense

the back drills. And they had Sean Kaiser throwing the ball, I mean, literally from the Pacific to the Atlantic Ocean. I had to chase that ball down. But I wanted to know, like, am I delusional? I know how I feel. I know how I look. Let me know. Like, tell me be real. What did they say? I should shut it down. And they're like,

dude, you got action. You should still be playing. We were going to just put you on a ready list, but we moved you up to the short list, meaning like, hey, you know, we make a push these playoffs. We need some more veteran guys. Are you staying in shape? Are you just don't dream? in fantastic shape, dude. You're not home just eating, you know, stuff. No, dude, yeah, I work out every day.

All right. Like, what do you mean? I work out every day. What do you do? 4.30 in the morning for three years. I've been working out. What are you doing? What are you doing?

What do you do? I don't, um... I have a big bag of free dos after a couple sit-ups. I don't destroy myself. I just, I eat well for the most part. You know, I do, you know, I just make sure I weigh a certain way. I need a way. All right.

Any good wines, we should, before we let you go? Oh, yeah. By the way, so everyone on Saturday. day, go to my at NFL wine guy. I will be live at a champagne tasting. Dude, you stop playing. You've gone.

You are a sophisticate. What do you mean? I drink wine when I played. So what is your NFL wine guy? Yes. Okay. All right. It's great seeing you again. You sound like a hater right now. Not at all. No. No, hey, listen, I'm a journalist. When you're a journalist, you have to ask probing questions.

That wasn't a probing question. It was like disinterested. You know, it's like. No, I think I like your wine career. I have a wine store in Connecticut. Nobody goes, but I like it. It's a nice business to be in. Don't make any money. Worst investment in my life, but it's fun to have.

Not the restaurant? No, restaurant is smoke show. Last night, Herd Burger. Lines around the block. People like it. Wine stores, no money in it. When are we going? What is it going on?

What's up? Nice. Can I get like a coupon or something? We don't do coupons. We don't give away our food. It doesn't matter how fast you learned that, huh? Someone told you that, huh? Don't give away the food.

No, no, no. I don't give away my picture. for my food. Will Blacks enjoy it with a news? Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Colin also gets snake dreams from wine. I see that that's the problem with wine is that if I drink red wine, I get...

But not white wine. No, no, white wine. I don't like white wine. But if I drink red wine, I have dreams at night always, and they're snake dreams, gold and yellow snakes all... And I'm not joking when I say this. I can't drink red wine. This is infused wine?

Because in Canada, they're sprinkled a little something in their wines nowadays. I don't know about Canadian wines. All I know is I can't. I don't think about that are snake dreams. But yeah, by the way, my wine stores are fantastic. It's just not a business you can make any money in. What's the point of a business if you can't make any money in it? Right.

I don't know. Send me your wines to my house. Okay. Well, Adam Gay's got the seal of approval from the Jets organization and the secure for next season. The other New York coach, Pat Schumer, has not gotten that yet. But he does have the support of his players, Saquan, Barclay. and Daniel Jones both spoke about their confidence in the coach. Seiklund said, not only me, speaking on behalf of the team,

we strongly believe in Coach Shermer. We believe in this coaching staff. We believe in Dave Gettleman. Obviously, things aren't clicking the way we would like them to be right now, but we've got to keep grinding, keep working, and we'll turn it around. And Daniel Jones added, Coach Shermer has done a ton for me. And my growth and development, he's been extremely patient with me. And supportive of me, continue to support me and continue to coach me hard

and give me the points of emphasis. That's been a huge help. me. I don't know if they're good. I don't have any point of view. I don't like Gettleman much. Shermer, I thought I would like more, but they come out offensive coaches. Bill Walsh, have you ever noticed Tom Brady and Josh McDaniel generally take leads? When you have an offensive-minded staff and you have a good quarterback, you should be very good early in games. By the way, Arizona comes out, plays well early, runs out of gas because they lack talent. Why do the New York Giants fall into deep first quarter holes.

Well, they're 24th in yards per game and 27th in yards allowed per game. Well, their defense stinks, but offensively, they should be better. They should be better offensively, but they're also very young. You know, everybody's young. Isn't everybody in the NFL? Who's old in the NFL? Patriots. The Browns are, I believe, the youngest team in the NFL.

I mean, Pittsburgh's defense is all young. Tonight, watch Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's totally young except for two offensive linemen. Seattle now is young. Houston's young. San Francisco's young. I don't know if Pat Schumer is the guy, but I do think that if Saquan Berkeley,

Segal and Daniel Jones didn't have to come out and say that. No one's making them say that. If they're coming out saying they feel comfortable with this coach. Yeah, but you know what? A lot of people are comfortable with our coach. Doesn't mean he's a good coach. Well, I mean, they didn't say comfortable. They said they believe in him and the coaching staff.

And Coach Schumer has done a ton for me, my growth and development. Do you think they're... I don't, with you, I don't know what to make up the Giants, but I also don't like turnover. So I think that if, you know, if you're two stars are saying, we like this guy, we believe in him, I get it, I get it. That means something.

How about stop falling behind 13-0 every week? Why are you doing that? Maybe I feel. Like, you're an offensive coach. Script 9 plays. I mean, I get Daniel Jones, but like the offensive line's good enough. Receivers good enough. Back great, tight-end, excellent.

Like, I'm over the, well, they're young. The whole damn league's young. Baltimore's young. San Francisco's young. Seattle's young. Everybody's young. The whole league's young, except New England. Except for New England.

Anthony Davis was out last night with a shoulder injury. It wasn't a problem for the Lakers. Kyle Kuzma scored 22 points in Anthony Davis's spot. Javelle McGee had 18 points with 17 rebounds. And Dwight Howard also had one of the best games of his season, 15 points, 8 rebounds, and a highlight dunk on the Aleut from Kuzma, which was showing. Kuzma played well. Yes, the Lakers are now 9 and 2 sitting at top of the Western Conference.

What I do like about the Lakers is their assist. They are tied for second in assists per game in the NBA with 26.9 assists per game. 31 assist in the second game of back to back. 39 against Phoenix, 31 against Toronto on Sunday. So they're moving the ball around. They're clicking. They've got chemistry. And they're long.

They're second in the league. They're first in blocks. It's one of the longest NBA teams. They're like, they're better defensively than I thought they were going to be. Anthony's long. Kuzma's long. Danny Green. it's a it's a KCP Dwight Howard Javelle McGee

And you know what's nice about the Lakers It's been really pleasant No drama None None I mean I did not expect that I didn't know what to expect this year But I was planning on some drama early from the Lakers

By the way you watch the Pelicans I haven't watched them much After the first game Are they any good? Well they're playing tonight against the Rockets But they might actually They're not playing well no How's Lonzo play?

I mean Overall, they're not good so far. It's going to be a problem moving forward, but they don't have Zion. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, they don't have their entire team. Tonight will be interesting, though, because they are playing the Clippers, and Kauai will be out with a left knee injury, left knee injury management. Beverly will be out with a sore cap, and Paul George, who is supposed to start

tonight against the Clippers is probable. So they might be without Paul George, Kauai, and Patrick Beverly tonight. But the game last night, James Hardin, and the Rock. Rockets, 1023 over the clippers. He had 47 points, guards a little bit by Patrick Beverly, who fouled out with two minutes left in the game. But also at the end of the game, Doc Rivers was ejected. I saw this.

For arguing with the refs about how many timeouts he had left when Patrick Beverly fouled out. Well, Austin Rivers was egging the refs on to give his dad a technical foul before he was ejected. It was really a scene at the end of the game. I mean, Doc Rivers, obviously, he's a very fiery guy, but Austin Rivers kind of added, like, he really added to that and got him, didn't get him ejected, but it was, it was interesting to watch. He got ejected because. Because he was, he was told that he didn't have the right amount of timeouts left. Like, they gave him the wrong information.

So he called a timeout and didn't have one? No, he did. I think it has something to do with a challenge. Okay. But basically, like, he was given wrong information, which he was not pleased with. So he yelled and screamed and they teed him up twice. And then when he wouldn't calm, the refs said they had an opportunity to calm down and he didn't. And then that's when Austin Rivers got involved.

And then he got ejected. And then Austin Rivers encouraged the crowd to wave him goodbye. He's leaving the arena. Yeah. And then he tweeted, well, Thanksgiving is going to be weird. But he said he knows, like he knows when his dad is about to hit that point. Like he said he could see when his eyes start blinking really fast. My eyes start switching when I get to that point.

When you get me? I don't like to get. I'm very, I have two switches. So I like to stay on this side of the, yeah. What I mean two switches? Like, I'm just like normal or I don't remember. So I just prefer to stay on this side of it, you know? All right.

There you go. Joy with the news. Switches. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Okay, I had a guy come out to me yesterday. He said, you know, I've been following you for years.

I love your blazing five. Your college picks stink. And I said, hey, what am I supposed? What am I? Copper field over here? Just give you a magical. picks every week. I got my marquee three picks. I like him again. Michigan, Michigan State. I like all my picks. I do. I'm losing close. Listen, for no other reason that I'm due.

I'm due, right? That's coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeartRadio app. Untucket.com. Code Herd. GQ calls them perfection. They design these shirts that are worn to be untucked. I have Fox Bet. provides all our odds here. I have not had the greatest college football betting season. I'm on a bit of a cold streak. And

this kind of stuff happens. I mean, it's not like Apple stock goes straight to the sky. It's not linear. Sometimes they dip. I would like to reverse this sort of Bitcoin-esque run I'm on of plummeting. But I'm let's get to it. I got three

games I love. All of our odds are provided by Fox Bet, and here we go. Ready to make some sweet cash, Colin's going to give you his three sure bets for the college football weekend. It's time for Collins Markey 3. Michigan State at Michigan. I think Michigan's better. I don't think they're that much better, are they? So I'll take Michigan State plus 13 and a half. Everybody's like, oh, this Michigan team runs the ball. They're not top 50 in the country in running the ball. Well, this quarterback,

Shea Patterson, they're not top 50 in passing efficiency. Mark Dan, Antonio, by the way, eight and four against Michigan. Harbaugh has gotten tight in these big games. He's only three and a seven against Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State. Michigan State runs the football 170 yards last week. And Dan Tony's four losses to Michigan, four points two, nine and 14. I think Michigan's a better football team. I think we've overvalued them based on the Notre Dame win. How good is Notre Dame? Michigan State covers. Michigan wins 2817. Georgia at Auburn. Georgia minus two and a half.

They've only got to win by a field goal. First of all, Georgia has dominated this series. Georgia's significantly better, I believe, that quarterback with Jake Fromm over Bo Nix, who's a freshman. And let's be honest, we talk about Auburn's defense. Georgia's is better. They're number one in the SEC and virtually everything. They haven't had a turnover in the last three games.

That's what I like about Georgia. This will not be a high-scoring affair. bet the under if you had to bet anything. But Georgia doesn't give you opportunities. And with that defense, and I'm not giving you a short field, Bo Nix has struggled the quarterback for Robert against every good defense they've played. Against top 40 defenses, he completes 45% of his throws.

Gus Malzahn's never proven to me. He can beat Georgia or win big games. I'll swallow the points and take the Bulldogs to win, 28 to 23. Minnesota at Iowa. Minnesota just beat Penn State, but Vegas knows Iowa's the favorite here and Iowa's going to win. First of all, Iowa's dominated this series. This has been a spot for them because Iowa's got better players.

Look at the last 10 NFL drafts. Minnesota's coming off their biggest winning years beat Penn State. Golden Gophers haven't beaten ranked opponents in back-to-back weeks in 51 years. This is just a massive win for the program. They've played three road games this game. Two of them, they beat crappy Fresno State in like double overtime. and struggle to beat Purdue. Yes, they were great at home

in the game of the century for Minnesota. Off that now, you take all those 19, 20-year-olds, and you go to Iowa, and Iowa's pretty good, and Iowa's got better personnel. That's why they got a bunch of guys drafted in the NFL, and Iowa's got a great defense. Number two, basically in every key

category in the Big Ten, Iowa wins the game. 2720. How about that? I love these picks. Iowa wins. So I'm going to take the dog Michigan State to cover, and I'm going to take Georgia and Iowa's as favorites. There you go.

I feel pretty good about it. I feel pretty good. Iowa, by a lot. A lot of wise guys like Navy against Notre Dame this week. All the sharps they call them. They all like Navy, the number. I'll take Notre Dame on that one. So good stuff today.

Nice show. Blazing 5 tomorrow. And I got a lot done today. Greg Jennings, Greg CoSell, Peter King, and Will Blackman stopped by the show. So tonight, it'll be interesting because this year, Kyler Murray, drafted number one from Oklahoma, comes the NFL. Last year, the year before that, Baker Mayfield comes into Oklahoma, and he's a transfer, and he gets drafted number one,

and we're like, oh, boy, these Oklahoma guys. when you watch Baker Mayfield tonight, I'll just say, what does he do better than Kyler Murray? People forget this. Kyler Murray is the greatest high school quarterback all time. There's a case to be made that Kyler Murray is the greatest high school quarterback of all time. He's the only two-time national player of the year in Max Preps, which is a recruiting magazine. 43 and O is a starter. Three state titles in a row in Texas.

at the highest level, 6A1, in three seasons, 15,000 yards in high school, also a baseball star, national athlete of the year. So it's funny. So it just goes to show you how drafts differ. So Kyler's taken number one out of Oklahoma. And we're like, well, Baker's taken number one into Oklahoma. That's where the similarities end. Kyler Marie is the greatest high school quarterback in the history.

Remember what Cliff Kingsbury said? He recruited him. He's like, that's the best player I've ever seen in high school. Baker's a two-time walk-off. Yeah, I mean, that resume is ridiculous. Texas 6A level football is 43-0. Do you know how competitive? Yes.

When you fly into Dallas, which I do about once a year, I go to Dallas, when you fly into Dallas, you see high school football stadiums, eight of them. And they all seat like 18,000 people. To be 43 and 0 at the highest level. So when you watch Baker tonight, and I think Baker's got talent, you know, and not my cup of tea. I said this yesterday. Baker loses tonight.

Baker's becoming just a guy. When you watch Kyler Murray, when you watch Lamar Jackson, when you start watching some of these yet, next year we're getting Tua. You watch that LSU Bama game. Where you go matters. I can argue this. Kiner Murray's a number one pick, period. did Baker get picked number one because of Lincoln Riley?

You think Kyler would have the success in Cleveland, the success he's having now? Oh, I think he'd have more than better players. I think Kyler Murray is the best player in the NFL that nobody's talking about. I'm not saying he's the best player. He's the best player in the NFL nobody's talking about. He's really, really good. And I watch Arizona football because my social life on Sundays is, you know,

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