The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Steelers, Lakers, Aaron Rodgers, and the Blazing 5

Episode Date: November 9, 2018

Colin discusses the dominance of the Pittsburgh Steelers last night, why we shouldn't count out the Los Angeles Lakers, an interesting stat about Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers, and his Blazing 5 ...picks for this weekend. Guests include DeAngleo Hall, Rob Parker, Kevin Clark, Eric Dickerson, and Jason McIntyre. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:32 heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. It is a Friday. This is the herd. Live in Los Angeles, wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and right here, FS1. Joy Taylor is joining me on a Friday. Good morning. Good morning. In a great move. An hour from now. An hour from now, the blazing five off a four in one week. feel great about the picks.
Starting point is 00:03:10 I love Fridays after Thursday night football and let me start here. When I was a kid growing up, I like boxing, and I love Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali, every time he stepped in the ring, won most of the time, didn't win all the time, was always the smartest guy in the ring. The angles, the jab, he'd wear you out, Thrilla in Manila. He was always the smartest guy in the ring, and he was usually the best guy in the ring. He left nothing on the table. He got everything out of his career.
Starting point is 00:03:40 I wish he was today the great star in boxing with social media. Muhammad Ali would be amazing. And then there was a bunch of fighters for a long time. I didn't really care about. And then there was Mike Tyson showed up. And he was wildly entertaining. And he walked into the ring and he was the most explosive. And he had the best knockout punch.
Starting point is 00:03:59 But he left a lot of wins on the table in his career. And when I watched the Pittsburgh Steelers and I think about the New England Patriots, Patriots always feel like Ali. I know that the smartest, smartest team playing. When I watch the Steelers, I always feel like I got some Mike Tyson. When Mike Tyson was dialed in, you didn't want any part of Mike Tyson. In Pittsburgh last night, I got all a Big Ben's talent and he was efficient. 22 at 25. I got all of their talent and they were disciplined, only one penalty. I got all of their home run stars and they had seven different guy scores touchdowns. When Tyson was at his best, it was like, yeah, I don't want any part of Tyson.
Starting point is 00:04:44 That's the team that should be the shoe-in for the AFC championships every year. But New England shows up every year. And New England's on the phone going, Pittsburgh, where are you? You know, we'll send, we'll send Tebow this time. Yeah, Joe Flacco beat us this time. What? What? I mean, last night was every Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:05:05 has everything and they have for the last seven years. They've had everything you want. Hall of Fame quarterback, dynamic perimeter players, a coach that's going to make the Hall of Fame, they always have great offensive lines with pro bowlers. They got a thousand-yard rusher. They hit hard. They're physical. They got swagger. Their pass rush is always better than New England. How are they not in the AFC championship every year? But yesterday was classic Tyson slash Steve. What happened yesterday before the game? Oh, Lavian Bell sent an upside down tweet. Everybody's talking about it.
Starting point is 00:05:44 Antonio Brown gets in trouble for going 100 miles an hour. Oh, it was classic Steelers. It was just even on a night they had it all geared up. It's all sorts of noise before the game started. But man, they are lethal. They trailed 7-0. 11 seconds later, they led 14-7. That's like you're beating tight.
Starting point is 00:06:05 and you wake up on the mat. But I had won the first four rounds. Yeah, then he hit you with a left hook. I didn't see it exactly. That was Tyson. Pittsburgh is highly dramatic and highly entertaining and highly talented and highly explosive. They're just highly all the time. You're just getting everything from it.
Starting point is 00:06:26 And Carolina is a real team. I mean, going into that game last night and the NFC, I'm like, Saints Rams. Okay, Saints Rams. the best two, I think Carolina's third best team. And that was, that, that fight was over fast. That thing was over fast. And Ollie and Tyson never fought. They never did. And I always thought Ollie would figure out the angles. He'd wear Tyson out. Tyson at the end of his career didn't even have a jab. He was just going for home runs. But even though I thought Ali would win and beat Tyson, I always knew all Ali had to do was make one mistake and he would end up in a hospital. And
Starting point is 00:07:05 And it is amazing when I look at the Pittsburgh Steelers and on nights like last night when they got it all dialed in, the jab, they're in shape, they took the fight seriously, they still got the power. You're like, no, thank you. You better not go and get a soda because the fight could be over at about eight minutes. I went to a couple of Tyson fights where people didn't show up until the second round and there was another fight because that one was over. and, you know, it's just amazing. We're going to look back at this 20 years from now. We're going to be like, you know, Pittsburgh would have won more Super Bowls, but they always had to go through New England.
Starting point is 00:07:39 No, that's not the way it's worked. No, New England's only beating them once in the AFC championship. Two years they missed the playoffs. One year, Tebow beat him, Flacco beat him, Bortles beat him, Peyton Manning beat him. This has never been about New England keeping the great Pittsburgh dynasty at bay. been Pittsburgh not showing up for the reservation.
Starting point is 00:08:03 And New England's on the phone. Hey, where are you? You out in the parking lot? I'll hold the table. No, no, we'll send portals. Hey, where are you guys? We're here waiting. No, no.
Starting point is 00:08:14 Tim Tebow's on his way. Tebow? We already played him twice. Blew it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, we lost a Tebow. I mean, wow is all I can say about last night. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:27 That was impressive. There were my Super Bowl pick. Before the year, and they finally looked like it last night. Blazing five and 50 minutes. Okay, let me shift gears. Before the season started in the NBA, you guaranteed me. You lectured me. Listen, this year for LeBron, let's not even talk about the Western Conference finals.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Chemistry, and I said, I think they're going to be around 50 wins. I think the West isn't as good as you think. I mean, Golden States obviously weigh. better, but let's slow down on the cants. Let's look at the cans. Well, last night was very interesting in the NBA. The rockets, the rockets are awful. No, I mean, they lost to Oklahoma City, and Oklahoma City didn't have Westbrook. And by the way, Oklahoma City won their second straight game without Westbrook, showing that Westbrook's not nearly as valuable as you think. And oh, by the way, Steph Curry got hurt for Golden State last night. MRI today. Steph Curry's hurt again.
Starting point is 00:09:31 for Golden State. You keep telling me this Laker team, just let's not worry this year about the playoffs. They have no chance. Really? Oklahoma City, Westbrook is now a decade of attacking the rim and hitting the floor is hurt again.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Houston Carmelo Anthony is an abject disaster. Portland scores only from the back court, nothing in the front court. Minnesota's got turmoil and a losing record. What about Denver? Really, Jamal Murray or LeBron in June, who you got? New Orleans is a one-man team and we're all waiting for the one-man Anthony Davis to be a Laker. The Lakers are deep and optimistic and long and athletic and third in the NBA and scoring and they got the world's best player and they've got those young guys who are now Kuzma starting to hit their threes. Last night was
Starting point is 00:10:28 an interesting night. The rockets are a mess. And not the kind of mess where you can flip a switch. They're a mess. And Oklahoma City wins now with Westbrook, without him. He's not as valuable as you all claimed. And let me again remind you that the Lakers are going into the easy part of their schedule for the next two weeks. A lot of wins, a lot of confident building wins.
Starting point is 00:10:57 Sacramento, Atlanta, Portland at home, Orlando's awful heat. calves. Jazz that get them at home, magic has a lot of doubles in there and there's a lot of confidence building in there. You kept telling me, listen, this, this thing, this is just
Starting point is 00:11:17 you win 45 games, you get in it as an eight seed. Curry's hurt, Rockets awful, Minnesota in turmoil, really trust Jamal Murray and the Nuggets, Portland Limited, to amass Westbrook here. Westbrook gone increasingly hurt doesn't matter. Anthony Davis
Starting point is 00:11:39 soon to leave the Pelicans. The guys on TNT said it about that Golden State Houston guaranteed Western Conference final. It doesn't look like it's going to happen. I don't think they have the same talent level that they had last year. Overall, I thought they were super deep last year. They don't play the same way. You know, they don't play the same way that that they did last year. They don't share the ball as much right now. They don't defend as much. But we ain't going to make excuses for them.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish. Last year they were an elite team. When you go that far in the playoffs, then in the summertime, you're supposed to build on that.
Starting point is 00:12:18 They haven't built on that. I don't know what the problem is, but we're not going to make excuses for it. They lost their two best defenders. We'll be freaking due. Step up. Houston's not Houston, and it's not close,
Starting point is 00:12:29 and their chemistry is bad. And they're not as good defense. and Chris Paul will eventually get hurt because he does and mellow's just done and hardens mostly great on one end of the floor. Lakers, LeBron, eight games, really easy, young, optimistic, athletic, deep. Don't count them out. We always do before the trading deadline with LeBron. Don't count them out. Coming up next, that loss was so bad for Carolina. You got to look at their resume this morning and examine maybe we were all
Starting point is 00:13:06 wrong on Carolina. It reminded me of a college football game this year where I thought a team was good and now I kind of roll my eyes if you try to tell me a team is good. You start examining Cam and Carolina this morning. That resume is not as good. Talk about that coming up.
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Starting point is 00:14:28 Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Stuffie. Stuffy knows. Cold flu season. Try Vic Sinx nasal spray. 12 hours. Congestion strikes. Vic Sinx nasal spray. Use as directed. So, you know, there are losses in football that make you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Like when Ohio State lost to Purdue, it's not only they're not as good as thought they got problems inside the locker room. They got problems I can't see. When Ohio State lost to them,
Starting point is 00:15:08 Alabama loses, they don't lose like that. Oklahoma loses, they don't lose like that. That's what I saw last night from Carolina. I mean, New Orleans is going to lose. They're not going to lose like that. Rams are going to lose. They're not going to lose like that. New England's going to lose.
Starting point is 00:15:25 They're not going to lose like that. I mean, Carolina makes you look at your resume now, and you start looking at it and you're like, oh, you know, they gave them. the Giants 31 points with Eli Manning. I mean, they beat Baltimore, but Baltimore is now a mess. They struggled at home against Dallas. That defense last night, like, if you literally handed the Carolina result so far,
Starting point is 00:15:49 that was your resume, and you went for a job, the person interviewing you would be like, yeah, what happened in that year you were in Pittsburgh? Well, I was in a bad relationship. I wasn't very good at my job. I wasn't focused. How did you give up 31 points to Eli Manning? Well, I was in New York.
Starting point is 00:16:07 You know, my boss wasn't great. I just got sidetracked on that. I, you know, I wasn't really dialed in. That resume doesn't look nearly as good this morning after that loss. I mean, you're like, what are they? They just quit. Their secondary is terrible. I mean, sometimes a loss is so bad.
Starting point is 00:16:26 I got to go, wait a minute. You know, it's funny because before the season started, I was absolutely sure the NFC was better than the AFC. But I look at the AFC today and I got Patriots. That looks like a Super Bowl team. Steelers, Super Bowl team. Kansas City, Super Bowl team. Texans, Chargers, really, really, really good.
Starting point is 00:16:46 And you don't want to have to go play them on the road. I look at the NFC now and I'm like, Ram Saints are tight. And then it's just a bunch of that. Atlanta, Carolina, Carolina, Minnesota, Green Bay. So you're taking them out of the Super Bowl bubble? When you lose, New England doesn't lose like that. Saints don't lose like that. What was that?
Starting point is 00:17:11 Alabama, that's how Ohio State. I don't have an explanation for what now. That was just like, I don't even buy in. I don't even like that team. Cam Newton with this decision, early in the game, pretty much turned it around, turned the stadium into a, really, it was over after this. Here's Cam. Newton keeps.
Starting point is 00:17:29 He's in trouble. throws up for grabs and picked. Intercepted by Williams. Touchdown. It looked to me like they might be trying to run some type of screen action back the other way. I don't know if he thinks he might be able to throw one into Christian McCaffrey or not, but obviously under duress a ill-advised throw in a costly mistake by Cam Newton.
Starting point is 00:17:51 That was just a mess. He was clearly looking at Christian McCaffrey. And, you know, it was a little like Dallas on Monday night, off by Amari Cooper now there. You're at home and you watch them play Tennessee and you're like no juice, no energy, no offense, no tricks, no sizzle. I look at Dallas differently. Again, if that game is 3426 and you get outplayed, it just Steelers, you know, punch in the forehead, it's at Pittsburgh. You know, that's okay. But that, that's Ohio State losing to Purdue. It's like, oh, oh, you can lose to Purdue. You can't lose like that. That, that's, that.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Here was a cam talking about the blowout loss. Sure enough was a humbling piece of pie, but not only that, it was a learning experience for a lot of guys. It just got whooped, man. It just got whoop. But, you know, it happens. You have those type of games in the league. But, you know, it's going to be about how we rebound and, you know, get ready for our next opponent. Yeah, I learned a lot.
Starting point is 00:18:57 I learned I don't trust them. That was really bad. That was not good. Joy Taylor with the news. No. No. No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.
Starting point is 00:19:12 Well, it's kind of like our reaction after the Rams Saints game. No, but Rams Saints, I thought, that are both great. Like, great game. Great games. Not badly. How about Kansas City? You don't feel any differently about the Rams from that loss. Kansas City, New England.
Starting point is 00:19:25 I'm like, both great. I actually thought that was good because you're not going to beat New England twice in a year. Yeah. So, yeah, take that out early and then you feel like you got a chance to next time. Make adjustments. There's all sorts of, most losses over the course of a week, and I don't think anything
Starting point is 00:19:38 of. But there are these occasional ones. You're like, you're halfway through the season. It's like the Vikings. Like, you can't explain that Bill's loss. Yeah, and then they go to home, and they outgain the St. 3 to 1, and they get clobbered, and you're like, some loss is just their... I'm not ready to write them off, but I'm with you.
Starting point is 00:19:56 It's an unexplainable loss. But they quit by middle of the... third quarter. Yeah. So Des Bryant arrived in New Orleans, and his first practice with the Saints yesterday. So will he be ready for the road game against the Bengals on Sunday, which you think is a trap game? Yes. John Payton had more on that yesterday.
Starting point is 00:20:12 His workout was good. He's a little heavy and it's pretty common. I think probably five pounds without having gone through a training camp. And, you know, we felt like he did a number of things that we liked in the workout. We'll begin that process today. Coach, what is his next couple of days look like?
Starting point is 00:20:29 We'll see. You know, we'll see how today goes. We'll take it one day at a time and see how much he can digest and give him parts to the plan. You know, there's a third down element or red zone element, a lot of different things that we think he provides versatility for. So, you're planning on seeing him. You may want to hold off on that. I don't think he'll do anything this weekend. I think he will matter.
Starting point is 00:20:49 But it's funny. He said, you know, he's about five pounds heavy. What that's code for, he's not really an NFL game shape. And why would it be? Right. I mean, even if he is in impound. impeccable shape. He hasn't been playing football. It's my concern about Levy and Bell as well.
Starting point is 00:21:04 I don't think he's heavy necessarily, but there's a difference between being in playing shape and workout shape. Yeah, years ago, that's why they have training camp. Bill Polion's a former, you know, great NFL general manager, and he said, you have to get hit for three straight weeks to be ready to get hit. And he said, like, for instance, if you put Levy and Bell in there, Joy, it's not that he's not fast, but that first jarring hit and the ball comes loose, Des can be on a treadmill all day and run,
Starting point is 00:21:30 but you're not used to getting hit like NFL. And Polion used to always tell me, you got to get into hitting by week two of the preseason. You've got to start really ramping up practice because otherwise you're going to get in the week one and two and you're going to fumble more. You're not going to tackle well. You've got to get ready for the physicality of the NFL.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Why do boxers and fighters have sparring partners? That's right. And not just work out hitting a punching bag the entire time. You have to get hit and you have to be in running shape. Saints are five and a half point favorites in Cincinnati. But we'll talk more about that later, I feel like, won't we call it? Yes. Well, the Steelers are hitting their stride just in time for the season's stretch run.
Starting point is 00:22:08 They improved to 6-2-1 with a fifth win in a row and second win in five days. And Rossensberger showed off last night. He finished 22 of 25 for 328 yards, five touchdowns, and no picks. And he was asked after the game if the Steelers are peaking. You know, you want to keep trying to move up until the end. keep trending up or whatever I want to call it. So we're playing some pretty good football right now, but there's still some stuff out there that we can need more plays we can make.
Starting point is 00:22:37 The defense, they were playing like their hair was on fire. And so it was a lot of fun for all parties involved. Here's one thing. Can we say definitively, here's the one thing the Steelers do way better than the Patriots, draft wide receivers. in the history. In the last 20 years in the NFL, no football team in the NFL
Starting point is 00:23:01 has drafted a position better than the Steelers and wide receiver. I mean, they had Plaxico first, and Heinz Ward and Jujs Smith-Schuster, Antonio Brown. Didn't they have a Samuel, a guy with a Denver Broncos right now? Emmanuel Sanders.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Antonio Holmes. God, every time, and now they got this Washington kid. Every time you turn around with Pittsburgh, Ju-Jew. Yeah, they're definitely better. In New England. Not New England. Julian Edelman was a college quarterback. West Welker, they went and found.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Well, I mean, I guess they feel like they don't need to because they have Tom Brady. Maybe that's it. But nobody drafts. I'm watching that last night. I'm like, once in last year, Pittsburgh didn't have unbelievable receiver. No, that's not the position that they have to worry about. So finally, last night was a showdown of the leading candidates in the MVP race, Janice and Steph.
Starting point is 00:23:53 The bucks outside shots weren't falling last night. nine of 35 from three point range. Cold. But they still seized a comfortable early lead and never looked back. And that's because Greek Freak was doing whatever he wanted in the paint. And the Warriors allow the second most points of the Steve Kerr era in a 134-11 route. They got routed. Yonis finished with 24 points, nine boards, four assists, two blocks and two steals. As the bucks snapped the Warriors eight-game winning streak.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Here are the latest MVP odds. Wow. Yonis is up there. God, he's just... He's averaging 25.6 points, 13 rebounds. He's not the MVP of the league, but he would be a great guy to give it to. First of all, it would be nice for the city of Milwaukee. He's a great kid.
Starting point is 00:24:36 Like, this is one of these awards where I can actually root for a guy to win, who I don't think is as valuable as LeBron, but it'd be nice for him to win. If we're not going to give it to LeBron, who could obviously win it every single year. Janus is a perfect guy. His stats are great. He's a team player. He's only 23 years old. He's not a ball.
Starting point is 00:24:52 Oh, no, no, he's going to be. Yeah, the question's always going to be. Can Milwaukee generate the coaching and the pieces around him? But to be such a good guy and he's a really good teammate, he's not a guy that he wants his teammates to be part of the whole thing. I really like him. He's unbelievable to watch. When he gets rolling, there's just nobody has anything before. First of all, there are people. No, it's like that kid at Duke, Zion Williamson. There are players that you look at. A Jadavian Clownie came out. When Jadavian Clownie came out, you're like, oh, he has to be the number one pick because they don't make a lot of huge.
Starting point is 00:25:24 humans like that. When John Elway came out years ago from Stanford, people forget this. John this was 35 years ago. Elway was thick. Stanford could have pitched in the majors, rifle arm, and could run. Like John Elway was the number one pick in my lifetime where it was like he didn't even look other quarterbacks didn't look like John Elway. He threw the ball 80 yards. He went to Stanford. He could run. He was big. He could take a hit. It looks like he played linebacker. There are athletes where Janus is like absurd. They don't call him the Greek for Wow. Enjoy with the news. Well, that's the news.
Starting point is 00:25:59 And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. 15 years in the NFL. He was in a few routes and was probably occasionally routed a few times as well. A multiple pro bowler, DeAngelo Hall. I know, first of all, you were on teams that stomped a few people. And you probably got into a game occasionally in your career, one a year that you were getting smoked. And all I could think about last night for Carolina players, DeAngelo,
Starting point is 00:26:24 are there guys thinking, man, I just want to get out of here not hurt. I don't want to get banged up. Yeah, well, it's never as bad as it seems and it's never as good as it seems. And so I would say just having been in a locker room before and having gotten beat down before, that Cam's absolutely right. You'll learn a lot more from this team moving forward and how they respond, then you'll actually learn from watching that film because sometimes teams just have your number or it's not your night. and Carolina worries me because I don't know if they're as good as people say they are.
Starting point is 00:26:59 That's fair. Having watched them play against the Redskins, I mean really watch that game and break it down, they never once scared that Redskins defense or even their offense never once got going to the extent that it did previous weeks either before that game or even after that game. And so Carolina is one of these funny teams that sometimes they look amazing, unbelievable when those trick plays get going. It's kind of like another form of play action pass and they're able to run the ball at you and they just keep you off balance. They have a chance to really beat you. But when you jump out ahead of them,
Starting point is 00:27:35 boy, it goes into a shootout. DeAngelo, that's the key. They don't play great from behind. Remember the great, and it is remarkable. Remember the great Nebraska teams in the mid-90s? The best college football team I've ever seen was Nebraska in the in 90s. And, but they had a flaw. They'd send one wide receiver out. And if they got behind, they were terrible. They went from the best team ever to pathetic.
Starting point is 00:28:01 Miami Hurricanes could be leading, could be trailing. They had NFL receivers. They got a chance. Carolina falls behind big last night and you're like, oh, you could turn the TV. Yeah. To your point, they're not built. They're kind of an emotion team. They're kind of a, they're kind of team.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Trick plays are great in a tight, game. They're not great trailing by 28. No, they're not at all. That's why I liking those trick plays to like play action passes, because when you're able to run the ball and you can use play action pass, then you're able to kind of keep that defense off balance. And trick plays kind of work the same way. They're
Starting point is 00:28:35 another form of a play action pass because you're just using misdirection to really do what play action passes normally do. And, I mean, Norif has been able to kind of reinvent himself by kind of, you know, coming up with some of these plays. Some of these triple reverses and things that they're doing, I haven't seen them do before.
Starting point is 00:28:54 And it fits that team. They have a lot of guys that if you get them the ball, if you get the ball in their hands in space, they can make plays. Yeah. You know, I was saying the Steelers are a little bit of an enigma. 30 years from now, you will look at the Steelers if they don't win another Super Bowl. And you'll be like, well, I mean, you can't blame them. Tom Brady was there. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:29:16 But Tebow knocked him out, not Brady. Flacco knocked him out. Bortles has knocked him out. They missed a playoff twice. Peyton Manning. Tom's only beating them once. Tom's always waiting at the restaurant and they don't... They don't make it. They don't make it.
Starting point is 00:29:29 They get pulled over. Their wife gets mad at them. I mean, I look at Pittsburgh as an enigma. Do you? I don't. I don't because, Colin, you look at it as you want them to be New England or at least on that level. Yes.
Starting point is 00:29:45 I look at it as though all 30... It's 32. teams. You take one away that's New England. The rest of these teams in the National Football League would love to be Pittsburgh over the last 15 years. I think about when I came in the league with Ben and he has two Super Bowls. I mean, you can kind of say the same thing about the Giants. Eli has two Super Bowls since they've gotten drafted and been a part of their franchises, respectively. I think Eli's time has come and gone, but I think Big Ben still playing at a very high level. I think Pittsburgh is still consistently one of the better teams in the National Football League year in and year out.
Starting point is 00:30:21 And sometimes you just, I mean, like I said, that's what's great about football. It's so much parity. And so, yes, any given Sunday, you can lose. You can lose to a Jacksonville team who has a quarterback in Blake Borders, who's not one of the elite quarterbacks, but they have an elite defense. And so you can any given Sunday lose to a good football team. And as a player, you just have to say, all right, hopefully it's not the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:30:49 And, you know, if it was a certain time in the season, we have to learn from it and grow. And I think Pittsburgh to a man is one of the best franchises in the national football league. Well, it certainly has been, to your argument, you can take Alabama out of college football, and there's a bunch of teams that could win it. They change it.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Yukon women's basketball. Take them out. Everybody else wins and loses. New England's kind of separated a bit from the sports, seven straight AFC championships, and I would imagine today in Vegas favored for an eighth. You know, I want to be a lot of it. to talk about Sean Payton and Des Bryant. So Sean Payton just had, Joy had this, said, listen,
Starting point is 00:31:22 Dez is about five pounds overweight, which is telling me he's been on a treadmill, but he's not an NFL shape. People, like, I don't expect much from Des this weekend. Amari Cooper had two weeks, and I didn't get a ton out of him. There's a difference between you being in great shape and you being in get hit in the ribs shape. I want you to take my audience there for Des. So Des, So, Dad's been working out every day. Okay. How long did it take you when you came into camp and you're not a guy that got fat? You're a corner to get into hitting the rib shape.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Wow, football shape. Oh, man. I mean, I'm going to just take y'all into a glimpse of even last year. So last year I started a year on PUP. That is a pup list. Yeah, that's the Pup list where I can't technically practice with the team. I have to practice with the trainers kind of off to myself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Almost like I have a personal trainer. and after a while, you know, you're into it, and, you know, this started a training camp, so I'm into it, I'm ramping up, I'm hitting it, I'm going hard, and at a certain point, you just get tired and bored of doing the same thing and not being able to actually play football, no matter how many routes, des runs, no matter how many back pedals I tried to get out of my breaks and all that, you can't simulate live action or going against a guy or even putting the pass on and hitting someone. And so for me, probably week 10, I was.
Starting point is 00:32:41 was thrown into a game to start, having really not practiced, I had to go back there, return punts as well. And, I mean, I felt terrible for about three weeks as far as my body just, oh, this is a lot. You know, it was almost like shock. Yeah. And so, and Des who has been home, and I'm sure he's been training, but I'm sure it's been a certain point where he's woken up like, man, I ain't training today. Or I don't feel like today.
Starting point is 00:33:09 because doing the same thing over and over again and not really knowing when when am I going to get picked up when am I, you know, I'm working but I don't have an end date of when I can stop working and so when you're in that kind of mindset I know personally for me it was hard and so hearing that Des is a little overweight
Starting point is 00:33:28 I'm coming to the conclusion it was hard for him and so it's going to take Des a couple weeks just to really get his body and I mean he's 30 now so he's not a spring chicken where you can just jump up out of bed and feel like these 25-year-olds. You have to work through some things. And, you know, injury-wise, I don't know what's banged up, what's sore. So it's going to be tough.
Starting point is 00:33:51 It's going to be tough initially. But I think the competitor in him will push him through some of the pains that he has, just getting up and going. And just knowing that team and, you know, that camaraderie and what he's trying to create there with that team, he'll push itself to the limits, man. I think he'll be ready. But, I mean, it's going to take him a couple weeks just to get in football.
Starting point is 00:34:09 shape, without a doubt. So last week, we got some Belichick sound. So last week, the Packers played the Patriots and the NFL films miced up Belichick. Have you ever been miced up for a game? I have. First of all, I got to ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:34:25 I got to ask you a question. When you get miced up, you know, obviously you remember you're mic'd up, but during the game, do you forget your micd up? Oh, yeah, you forget. You forget. You definitely forget because you go back and you hear some of the stuff you said and you're like, oh my, I don't think I would said that if I remember that I was miced. And then it's a rule. If you're miced up, you have to let
Starting point is 00:34:45 everyone around you know because that's 5-0. It's the police, man. If you don't let us know you miced up, we might say something we're not supposed to say. So you got to, you know, I'm miced up today, right? So you tell everybody you're miced up? Oh, you got to. And it has to make its way around the practice or game. Everyone must know you're miced up. That's a rule. Okay. So that's funny. I didn't know that. Yeah. It's what you call it's 5-0? 5-0, that's the police, man. All right. So Belichick is miced up, and there is a moment against,
Starting point is 00:35:18 when Tom Brady completes a ball to Gordon for a touchdown, and I just want you to listen to this. Let's go. We're throwing that, too. Close the job. All right. Great job. Yeah, great job.
Starting point is 00:35:28 Great job. I'll tell you what, holding him to 17. It's hard. So Brady completes a touchdown to Josh Gordon. Yeah. And Belichick asked him, were you throwing to Josh Gordon? Is it disrespectful? I don't think it's disrespectful, but I know what can.
Starting point is 00:35:47 I mean, look, I'm not Tom Brady, but I watch film enough to know that was just a blitz off the corner by that corner. Not Pittsburgh, but Green Bay plays a lot of trap coverage, which means that corner is going to go or jump whatever he feels that he might can get to. And that safety has to go over top to number one. We ran it a lot because we ran it a lot. a little bit of kind of Green Bay and Pittsburgh style when I had Jim Hazard as my coordinator. And so I was like a trap specialist. So I can see trap anywhere on the field if somebody's running it. And those guys were in trap.
Starting point is 00:36:19 I'm sure Tom knew they were in trap. And that's always the adjustment. So he was throwing to Gordon. That is always the adjustment. Kirk Cousins, we used to run this so much in practice that he would know. He would look at my body language and know I was a trap corner and beeline that ball right to number one. Now, maybe Josh was a little tighter than he needed to be, because most of the times that receivers taught to fade away from the safety that's coming over to cover him.
Starting point is 00:36:44 Josh just kind of staying straight down. Josh should be about three yards closer to the sideline. Yeah, I would because most safeties are going to try to knock your head off. Tremont's a corner who's playing safety. So Tremont's just trying to really get him down. But, yeah, I had a safety, Loran Landry years ago. I want to say Dallas tried that same throw, Tony Romo. and he smashed one of them receivers.
Starting point is 00:37:07 So this was Brady trying to get it to Gordon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just Josh really not fading away. And Tom really not getting a whole lot on it. Because, yeah, and that picture does look like Edelman definitely could have, if he wanted to, could have deflected that ball. I learned something from you today, the 5-0. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:37:27 If I ever say that to you, Joy, Joy. I did not learn that today. Watch out for the 5-0. You knew that, didn't you? I did not learn that today. I did. I'm the only guy in the staff. So if I say Joy, I say 50,
Starting point is 00:37:37 that means a boss is around, keep it quiet. Guy calling. Although we are always miced up, so I am always so aware of the 50s. Hey, I'm a little square of the 50. They're not wrong with that. Ain't there wrong with that. DeAngelo Hall.
Starting point is 00:37:51 Great seeing you. Blazing 5 in 20 minutes. Coming up next, a stat by Aaron Rogers. Is he sending a message? It's The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Paying tribute to our.
Starting point is 00:38:05 our military veterans. What we do at Fox Sports, not part of a branding initiative, not a survey we did, just what we do. It's right. Support our country, our military, men and women. A Veterans Day is Monday. It's great to have you in. A Blazing Five is coming up in 15 minutes off a very, very good week. I just learned what the 50 means. So this is a learning experience for all of us here. All of us are learning things on this show. You should grow every day, Colin. I am growing, certainly. So a lot of stats, it don't matter. One of the stats I've always said in football that I really pay attention to is third-down conversions. Your defense may have flaws, but if you get people off the field on third down and give it back to your quarterback, and your quarterback's good, I like that.
Starting point is 00:38:54 Philadelphia is not perfect defensively, but to get people off the field on third down, get the ball back to Carson Wentz. That's good. That's good situational defense. So that's the stat I look at. And if you get third downs a lot as an offense, that tells me you're well-coached. You got a quarterback who can make plays at the line. Audible. You probably get a good push on third down.
Starting point is 00:39:13 You've got a physical football team up front. Here's another stat that I never heard of. I never even heard of this stat until this morning. In fact, the NFL didn't keep this stat until like three years ago. Aaron Rogers leads the NFL with 32 throwaways this year, just throwing the ball away. They only kept this stat starting like two years ago with Philip Rivers. Philip Rivers has the all-time record. He threw it away 46 times in one year.
Starting point is 00:39:41 Aaron Rogers is on pace to throw it away 73 times, which will be double the next. Okay. Now, it should be noted that the year Philip Rivers threw it away 46 times, he didn't have his number one receiver, Keenan Allen. He's not a mobile quarterback to begin with, and they had one of the worst offensive lines in NFL history. He had excuses. Aaron Rogers has a tight end.
Starting point is 00:40:06 you can throw the ball up to. He's a former basketball player at 6-7. He's got Devante Adams, an elite-wide receiver. He is a mobile quarterback. Yeah, Aaron, even with the knee thing, is a mobile quarterback. And also, their offensive line in Green Bay, it's always fine. They may not have a great running back. Their offensive line is fine.
Starting point is 00:40:25 They've had seven pro bowlers in the last several years. So I'm just going to throw this out to you. This is a message. Aaron sends a lot of messages. What have I said about Aaron Rogers this year? How exasperated he looks. That's a message. That's a message to the general manager of the Packers.
Starting point is 00:40:47 He's been overly dramatic this year. What is that throwaway? Throwaway isn't an incompletion. A throwaway is, that's the crap you gave me as a play? That's it? That's what you gave me. If a chef throws it away, that's the fish you gave me. That's what I got to work with here?
Starting point is 00:41:07 Okay, Aaron Rogers is mobile. Aaron Rogers has a good enough O-line. Aaron Rogers has a six, seven and a half tie-in. Aaron Rogers has his number one receiver. Aaron Rogers leads the NFL by a mile in throwaways. That's a message. That's a, yeah, this didn't work either. This play with no motion didn't work either.
Starting point is 00:41:29 Your offensive scheme, which is, guys, get open. We're not going to get you open through schemes. Just get open. That's a message. Aaron Rogers in the offseason went on Milwaukee radio telling you he was upset with the organization because they let their quarterback coach Van Pelt last name now in Cincinnati let him go. Aaron's friend. So this was Aaron's guy in the room and Green Bay Mike McCarthy let him go. Actually forced him out.
Starting point is 00:42:02 He didn't want to go to Cincinnati. He liked working with Aaron Rogers. Aaron in like Aaron came into this year not happy with Mike McCartney. Now he's setting a record doubling the league, tripling the average quarterback on throwaways. And as I said three weeks ago, he's gotten overly dramatic on TV. Oh, my God. There was a study done years ago. There was a study done years ago at the University of Washington.
Starting point is 00:42:29 It's a brilliant study. And with 99% accuracy, they could predict divorces. Now, what did they find? What in the world could they have found? What they found when surveying men and women together that the number one sign of divorce was not money problems. That wasn't the sign. You could look at their, some couples were rich, some couples were middle class, some were poor.
Starting point is 00:42:59 It was not kids, some had no kids, some had old kids, some had kids in junior high. But they did this study at the University of Washington, and they discovered there was a trait that absolutely, inarguably, immeasurably signaled a divorce is coming. And do you know what that trait was? Condescending, deep sighs, rolling your eyes at your wife, rolling your eyes at your husband, overly dramatic. He did that again. She said that again. the divorce is coming. They do studies on this. Throw away footballs at this level are a message.
Starting point is 00:43:47 This is the play. This is what she gave me. This is it. I got tight in. I got Devani Adams. I got that young running back. I got a good old line. Thrown it away is,
Starting point is 00:44:00 hey, sideline guy. Where's my quarterback coach? Where's my quarterback coach? Where's the motion like Jared Gough has with the Rams? Where's the clever stuff like Kyle Shanahan? Carson. Why can't people get open like the other teams? That's what that is.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Sighs, exasperated, lead the divorces. Not the kids, not money. Tell you what else leads to divorces. Not listening to my blazing five picks. He'll be done. Those are next. They're heard. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m.
Starting point is 00:44:33 Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Ah, this is the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening, live in Los Angeles, Iheart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, and FS. One, saluting Veterans Day is on Monday. People from the Armed Forces here joining us today, and we certainly appreciate that. Great to have you guys and gals in the studio today. Joy Taylor is joining me, blazing five in a couple of minutes. It was a really festive first hour, so I'm getting a lot of pushback on the first hour. So DiAngelo Hall was talking about Bill Belichick being mindful.
Starting point is 00:45:08 And I asked DeAngelo, have you ever been miced for a practice or a game? And he said, yes, but you got to tell everybody. You got to tell everybody so they don't say, you know, inappropriate stuff. Because the microphone in the NFL is the 5-0. And the 5-0, I guess, means the police. And I didn't know that. And apparently I'm the only person in the world that doesn't know that. You're not the only person in the world that doesn't know that, but it's strange.
Starting point is 00:45:32 Okay. Like, there's three. Okay. So I want a three. In the whole world, there's three people. So somebody on Twitter said, dude, you didn't watch, what did you think the 50 stood for in Hawaii 50? And I was like, let me think about that for a second. Because I watched Hawaii 5O is one of my five favorite shows, Brady Bunch, Hawaii 5O as a kid.
Starting point is 00:45:52 I watched it every day. I love it. I haven't watched the new one, but the old one. Okay, so you actually watched Hawaii 5O. Oh, no, no, every day. Okay. And I think about it. You know why? Because I was so into the Hawaii part and Jack Lord's hair, I didn't pay attention.
Starting point is 00:46:07 to the 5-0 part. You thought it was like a fun number. They picked. Yeah, they had the music and I was into the Hawaii stuff and the big wave and Jack Lord's hair. I didn't even pay attention to the 5-0 thing. I didn't even know what it meant. I didn't care.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Yeah. I mean, Hawaii 5-0 is not how I knew what 5-0 is. If you ever got... But I get, you know, everyone comes from a different place. Have you ever gone to the Rainforest Cafe? I have, yes. Has anybody just gone to the Rainforest Cafe? It's where you take your kids.
Starting point is 00:46:35 when I go to the rainforest cafe I don't even pay attention to the food because I got like the thing beating itself on the chest and the cafe's raining and there's lightning storms I don't even pay attention to the food I don't even remember the last five times I've been there what I ate. I don't know if that's a good example
Starting point is 00:46:51 Well the Hawaii is a bigger part of the... That would be like going to rainforest cafe and being like yeah I just ate the food and I didn't notice that there was the rainforest there. I don't know. I don't know the answer but I didn't know what 5O was. It's all right. So you notice Jack Lord's hair but not that he was a cop. You know what the funny part is now?
Starting point is 00:47:08 To be, because I've never been cool, and I'd like to be cool, but I'm not. Now, I'm going to use FIvo constantly in my life. I'm going to go around to my son and be like, hey, Dad's in the FIO, pow! He'd be like, Dad's, what are you talking about? You would just say, Dad's Fivo. So that's FIvo means. And say in the FIvo. So if I see a cop on the highway, can I roll my window down?
Starting point is 00:47:29 5-0-0-5, whatever. All right. Just be yourself, Colin. All right. Here we go. We're off a very hot week. The Blazing Five is brought to you by Chili's for $10 deal. Starter, Entree and a Coke.
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Starting point is 00:47:54 Fire it up. It's Collins Blazing Five. Saints and Bengals. Listen, how many big games in a row of the Saints played? I get Cincinnati at. at home plus five and a half, I'm going to take the Bengals here. Listen, I don't love Andy Dalton in big games. I don't love Andy Dalton on the road, but at home this year, nine TDs, one pick.
Starting point is 00:48:14 You get games where he's comfortable, Andy Dalton's fine. By the way, the Bengals have the NFL's, believe it or not, number one red zone offense. 77% of the time they get in there to get a touchdown. The Saints Red Zone defense is the pits. I think too many big games in a row. I'm betting the number, not the teams. I'll take Cincinnati in an upset. Take the points 28, 27.
Starting point is 00:48:36 Patriots at Titans. Listen, we keep waiting for New England to be let down. They have been great for six weeks straight. Why wouldn't they be great minus six and a half in Tennessee? Tennessee can't score. Tennessee averages 16.8 points a game. And even when they win against Dallas, it's ugly. Now I think Marcus Moriota situationally against Belichick's defense,
Starting point is 00:49:02 Aaron Rogers had trouble against Belichick's defense. And in the last six weeks, the Patriots are number one in everything. Points, takeaways, wins, point differential. The Patriots have scored 30 in five of their last six games. I do think Tennessee's run defense is excellent, but I'll swallow the points. Take the Patriots 3121. Jaguars at Colts. Indy minus three and a half.
Starting point is 00:49:27 Okay. I'm betting a locker room. I love currently the Colts. Colts locker room. Optimism, finally healthy, winning streak. Andrew Lux's on fire. Hasn't been sacked in three weeks. I hate the Jaguars locker room.
Starting point is 00:49:44 Four consecutive games they've lost. They even lost in London. Players calling out coaches. The Colts have allowed just 10 sacks this year, second fewest in the league, and luck hasn't been sacked in any of the last three games. He has the most touchdown passes, not Patrick Mahomes, since week four. Indianapolis wins 30 to 20. Seahawks and Rams.
Starting point is 00:50:09 Like it? I love it. Seattle gets 10? How many times does Russell Wilson lose by 10? First of all, the Rams home field advantage is negligible. Second of all, the Rams have been covering the spread in recent weeks. They're winning, but they're not blowing people out. Okay? Here's another thing with the Rams. They've got the Chiefs coming up.
Starting point is 00:50:34 The biggest game, most exciting game of the NFL season. They come off the Saints. It's a sandwich game. They got the Chiefs coming up. And here they're a 10-point home favorite over the Seahawks. They will be flat. The Rams only have one win of 10 plus points in their last six games. And Russell Wilson's been on fire for a month.
Starting point is 00:50:54 Seattle covers, but the Rams win only 29, 24. Cowboys at Eagles. I don't predict blowouts much, but I'll take Philadelphia minus six and a half, and I think they're going to hammer Dallas. At home, Philly, off a by Philly, playing well, Philly. Carson Wentz, now that he's healthy, they're giving him more in the offense. He's got his mobility back. He's got his zip on the ball back.
Starting point is 00:51:22 Philadelphia is about ready to go in a row. Come on, Dallas is averaging a little over three. hundred yards of offense a game. They've scored 20 or fewer points in six of their eight games, and now it's a short week. No Sean Lee losing record on the rested hot Carson Wentz-led Eagles. 2817, Philly wins, dominates and easily covers. There's your blazing five brought to you by Chili's, Blitz your Hunger.
Starting point is 00:51:58 starter entree coke just 10 bucks casso burger starter coke 10 bucks score with chilies three for ten dollar meal deal that was 5-0 no that doesn't work all right so it'll be interesting to watch des Bryant and the saints I'm kind of fascinated by this and I've said this for years and years
Starting point is 00:52:23 people will tell you what they are believe them if you meet somebody in a couple times you're like, they're kind of jerks, then they're a jerk. Believe them. If you meet somebody two or three times and they're always thoughtful, then they're thoughtful. Believe them. So, Des Bryant could be really bad news for Dak Prescott. If Des Bryant goes with Sean, Peyton, and Drew Breeze, and lights it up. And I don't think he will this weekend. I don't think he's going to light it up. He hadn't enough time. You got to give him two or three weeks to get in shape and learn the playbook.
Starting point is 00:53:00 But it's going to be another warning. If this thing works for the Saints, it's going to be another warning for Jerry Jones. And that warning's going to be. Dak Prescott's telling you who he is. He's not worth $128 million. His stats now, Jerry, are comparable to Blake Bortles. He's averaging for the last year and a half under 200 yards a game. Two weeks to prepare for Tennessee.
Starting point is 00:53:25 No juice. if Des and Breeze very quickly start to connect, it is going to be another believe people when they tell you what they are. Dak's struggling. He's struggling off buys. He's struggling in a league where everybody's throwing for 300 yards. He's struggling to get over two. In a league where you are taking, good teams are taking risks to get Des,
Starting point is 00:53:52 risks to get Josh Gordon. Cowboys let him go. This could be another reminder to Jera. Jerry Jones. Dude, 120 million. Jags gave Bortles an extension. If you look at the stats, Bortles most closely resembles DAC. If this thing pops in New Orleans,
Starting point is 00:54:15 Jerry, hello! Jerry watching these games. And here's another thing. to make it even easier for Jerry, DES and Breeze face Dallas week after Thanksgiving. So if Jerry's still on this going to give an extension thing, it will be another reminder. Probably shouldn't.
Starting point is 00:54:35 We are packed today. Kevin Clark, the ringer NFL writer, is joining us next. He's fantastic. Eric Dickerson, Rob Parker. Jason McIntyre has Monday's headlines today next hour. I mean, we're not even halfway through the show. I'm learning stuff. I'm learning stuff.
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Starting point is 00:56:11 Make your pick, starter-on-ra Coke, just $10. By the way, this story is, it literally is mind-nob. numbing. There's always this question. Alabama has a great team. Nobody disputes that. But I still think they can lose to Clemson. I really do.
Starting point is 00:56:27 I think they can lose to Georgia. And everybody's like, oh, they would beat the Buffalo Bills. The Vegas sports books came out and said, no, the bills would be a 28 and a half point favorite. Yeah, I want to see Bama face an NFL team too. So we can end the absurd argument they could beat one. Not even their coach worked in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:56:46 Alabama's a running back program, right? The quarterbacks have been average. Some receivers are good, but they always have great running backs. Even their marquee running backs go to the NFL, their backups are gone. T.J. Eldon, backup. Mark Ingram, second best back on the Saints. Kenyon Drake, Derek Henry, backups. That's their best position.
Starting point is 00:57:05 They always have great dominant running back. Those guys go to the NFL, they're second best running back on their team. I mean, give me a break on this stuff. I mean, how many great Bama players are in the NFL? Dante Hightower. is the second best pass rusher for New England. Landon Collins is the second best safety in New York to Jamal Adams. Ha-ha Clinton Dix is apparently worth a fourth rounder.
Starting point is 00:57:30 Folks, stop it. Alabama would get smoked. Alabama plays against teams with non-NFL players, whereas the Buffalo Bills play against team with all NFL players. That's sort of how it works. And I don't think Alabama's a shoe in him in a national title. I think they probably will. But if Clemson goes into a game undefeated, playing with house money,
Starting point is 00:57:53 with all the pressure on the world, on the greatest college football team ever on Alabama, Alabama's going to be tight. This is not the greatest football team of all time. It's not even close. The Miami team with Buc, with Larry Coker's first year that had, like, not only NFL players, they ended up being great NFL players.
Starting point is 00:58:11 They didn't have just NFL players on the field. their backups, the backups to the guys that were playing on the greatest college football team of all time where NFL went on to be NFL stars. Let me ask you this. Do you think that this Alabama team could beat the Vikings this year? They'd be destroyed by the Vikings. They'd have any chance whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Do you think they could score any points? Not a point. Okay, well, the bills beat the Vikings 27 to 6 this year. So I'm positive they would lay 145 points on Alabama. And with that, I bring in a former NFL writer for the Wall Street Journal. now the NFL writer, very smart, funny guy. Kevin Clark for the ringer. Okay, I don't mean to wear you out on this. This story, my head hurts.
Starting point is 00:58:55 I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Nathan Peterman put up 43 points on the eventual national champions in 2016. Nathan Peterman is the worst quarterback I've ever seen at the NFL level. Yes. It's unbelievable. I went back and looked. We've done this before in 2012. They had to ask Pete Carroll, oh, could a college, team conceivably do it. It was because the Alabama team with AJ McCarran and Eddie Lacey looked so good. That was what the conversation was. I mean, this is ridiculous. I mean, even going back
Starting point is 00:59:23 further, Matt Liner and Reggie Bush, fine players. We had that conversation with that team. Those guys didn't make a huge impact at the NFL level. So Nathan Peterman beat Clemson. Nathan Peterman put up 43 points. Kelvin Benjamin put up 1,100 yards in college. There's a stat the other day. Spiking the football is more efficient right now than throwing to Calvin Benjamin, but he was a star. He was a star in college. That's how this works. Anyone who makes the NFL is a legend in their hometown, a legend at their high school. Not everybody who plays for Alabama is like that. Yeah. Kevin Clark joining us, very funny guys. So I was saying this, what are the Panthers? New England doesn't lose like that. Saints don't lose like that.
Starting point is 01:00:04 That reminded me of Ohio State Purdue this year, where I'm like, Ohio State's got problems in the locker room. That game, that doesn't happen. to great teams, right? Norve Turner Mania only lasted about two weeks, huh? I mean, that was really, there was quite a wave there. But I think generally they are what we thought they were a couple weeks ago. They are the third best team in the NFC. I don't even see a path for them to get into sort of the Mount Rushmore of the top four teams in the NFL.
Starting point is 01:00:31 I just don't, I don't see any improvement. I think the chargers of the NFC. The only difference, though, is the chargers have Joey Bosa kind of lingering. He could come back and make them an elite team. Yes. The Panthers do not have that. They are what they are. I think that the offense is much easier now. DJ Moore is a weapon. Christian McCaffrey is a weapon. Greg Olson's a weapon. They're not just throwing Devin Funches and Kelvin Benjamin out there and saying, hey, make it work. So I think they're a much
Starting point is 01:00:55 improved team. I think they are without a doubt probably a scary team to play in the playoffs, but I don't see them as a threat on the road. I also feel like they have to play a certain way to win. They don't play great from behind. They're an energy team. They're sneaky good at home. If they get a lead, those tricky plays, play action. But if they're down 14 last night with that pass rush, I'm like, they're not built to play from behind. They have to win a certain way. New England, Pittsburgh can win a lot of different ways.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Low scoring, high scoring, from behind. You know, I say, you know, I do analogies most bad. But I was saying New England's Ali, Pittsburgh's Tyson. And I always felt Ollie would beat Tyson. Ollie was always the smartest fighter, including the referee in the ring. Always, all fights. Pittsburgh is Tyson. When he's buttoned up and he came to the fight in shape, it was, oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:01:48 Pittsburgh last night was Pittsburgh. It was Spinks Tyson. No penalties. Not only Big Ben's arm, he was efficient. Not only their big play guys, seven Steelers had touchdowns. Like when I watched them there, Kevin, I'm like, oh, I don't want any piece of that. It's interesting you mentioned Mike Tyson because Mike Tyson was pure talent. That's what he was.
Starting point is 01:02:09 Antonio Brown, Ben Roppasburg, They kind of show so many things are overrated. You know, the Steelers never run play action. They don't do any of this modern stuff we talk about every week is being vital to the NFL. They're like the anti-McVeigh in a way. Yeah. But they just paste teams because they have really good players. And that's it.
Starting point is 01:02:25 And so Antonio Brown is as good as a player as there is in the league. Ben Rappesberger is an elite quarterback. James Connor didn't have it last night like he normally does, but he's really good right now. The offensive line is the best in the league. They just have good players. Now, sometimes that's going to get disrupted. You know, I think that they don't have the coaching staff, you know, the superhuman coaching staff like New England, so the consistency is not always going to be there.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Right. What they have is Tyson-esque pure talent. Troy Eickman came out this week, and he said, Cowboys are dysfunctional, and they need an overhaul. Now, I defended him on dysfunction. I said Manchester United, Yankees, Dallas, Real Madrid, FIFA, IOC. When you get big and powerful, wealthy families, the DuPonts, the Rockefellers, dysfunction is almost impossible. avoid. You have so much money. I mean, a couple years ago, the Lakers made a decision to sign Kobe because Time Warner said, we're not going to give you the money if you don't have Kobe.
Starting point is 01:03:19 And I think this functions hard to avoid when you're a massive brand. At some point, there's too much money, too much leverage, too much power. Overhaul, though, means we got to start over. I don't feel like that with Dallas. I feel like they need a new coach, and I don't like calling for coaches jobs, but it's flat. It's a flat. Am I wrong? What? they need? Well, first of all, they need a coach who can come in to find out what Dak Prescott is. Because you start to hear these things, you know, Lewis Riddick said it yesterday. Amari Cooper is an elite route runner and can get separation. They just need the play calling. They do need to use play action more than they currently do. That sort of thing. The problem is
Starting point is 01:03:57 the time is ticking on Dak Prescott's extension. And if Dak, Prescott's going to make $15, $15, $17 million, he's no longer valuable. The point of Dak Prescott is that he's going to make $725,000 against the cap, which is what he makes this year, and you're going to build an infrastructure around him. If he's going to eat up a lot of cap, he's no longer valuable because he's not a top tiered guy. There are guys like Matthew Stafford in this league who are much better than Dak Prescott, whose contracts are killing their own team. And so if Dak Prescott's going to be the guy who's killing your cap, that's a really bad situation to be in. So I think you need to sort of make the decision. Don't extend Dak Prescott right now. Bring in a young,
Starting point is 01:04:36 maybe a Lincoln Riley, maybe he's your first call, see what happens. with innovative schemes, get into the 21st century, and then figure out what Dack Prescott is, what Zeke Elliott is, what this infrastructure looks like going forward. Kevin Clark, great NFL writer, very funny guy on social media for The Ringer. It used to be the Wall Street Journal. I also believe that if Des clicks with Drew, that's another warning sign to Jerry. Bro, how do you think Des and the Saints works? There's going to be a Des Bryant game in New Orleans.
Starting point is 01:05:06 I mean, there's going to be a 150-yard-two-touchdown game. And the reason is because of Drew Breeze. He lost a lot of vertical explosion, Des Bryant last year. We saw that. The foot injury has lingered. He's not the same guy he was. But if anybody can make any player in the league look like a superstar, it's Drew Breeze right now.
Starting point is 01:05:23 I mean, he's connecting with Michael Thomas at, what, 88% of the time? Isn't that amazing? He's rewriting norms. Like, I don't even know. When I look at Drew Breeze and those stats, I can't believe it. He's completing 68% of his passes if you just take away passes within the first 10 yards. So just deep balls.
Starting point is 01:05:40 It's unbelievable. I've never seen anything like this. And so, yes, he's going to be able to get the ball to Des Bryant. Doesn't matter if Des Bryant can create separation. It doesn't matter if he can go vertical like you used to. So there's going to be in the next couple weeks, and I think Sean Payton is petty enough to try it against Dallas, to try to make it a Des Bryant breakout game.
Starting point is 01:06:01 The timing works out perfectly. Because they didn't give, Sean Payton never got the big job in Dallas. He never got the big job in Dallas. He never got it. So why Belich does to Cleveland. He always calls Cleveland first on trades to make them look bad. Give him Jamie Collins. Right, exactly.
Starting point is 01:06:15 And so I just think generally I would not be surprised if a game plan to get Dez a huge game against Dallas. Okay, so I threw this out there. And listen, Packer fans think I hate Aaron Rogers, but I don't. I think he's amazing. But I do think some of their issues, sometimes he can be a bit condescending. He's getting overly exasperated. And it's like, you know, he and Big Ben sometimes are a little dramatic for me. I'm more like the luck, Russell Wilson, you know, Brady,
Starting point is 01:06:42 head down, do your stuff, right? But he not only leaves the NFL in throwaways, he's going to triple everybody. And he's going to, now when Philip Rivers led the league in that, he didn't have Keenan Allen that year. He's not a mobile guy, and their offensive line was a wreck. Okay, Aaron's still mobile, offensive line's fine. Devante Adams very good.
Starting point is 01:07:00 Jimmy Graham's this. I believe he was ticked off coming into this year when they let go of Van Pelt, who's now at Cincinnati. And I believe Aaron's looking around this league, Breeze is better than ever. Brady's better than ever. And he's thinking, come on now. I do believe he came into this league. I think these throwaways are not just throwaways.
Starting point is 01:07:21 It is a signal which is, really? That's the call. No motion again. I'm watching McVeigh. I'm watching golf. I'm watching how open people are. Now, again, maybe it's a massive reach. But this number is going to be exponentially bigger than everybody.
Starting point is 01:07:38 There's something with McCarthy and Rogers. Kevin, it's not right. So here's the problem right now. In 2018, there are 10 or 15 offenses that make any player look like Aaron Rogers, and Aaron Rogers is not one of them. He's the one guy who doesn't look like Aaron Rogers this year. He has under 100 quarterback rating, and he has the highest quarterback rating for a career in the history of football. That's him. He's 103 for his career. He's below that in a year where there are record numbers of guys above 100 rating. Anybody can get 100 rating these days, anybody. And Aaron Rogers doesn't have it. So it's the play call, and they have to modernize. Throwing guys open is very 2012, and that's what they're asking Aaron Rogers to do.
Starting point is 01:08:17 I think that it's just a lack of separation. He just doesn't have the weapons. And I also think, you know, I really like Aaron Rogers. And I think that, you know, one of the things that he's really good at is trusting his guys. And so if he's not throwing it into tight spaces, maybe he doesn't have the same trust. Maybe he doesn't have a guy like Jordy Nelson, who we can just knows that they'll come down with it. It's younger receivers. Yes.
Starting point is 01:08:36 It's younger receivers. And so maybe he doesn't have that chemistry built up to where he says, you know what? It's a small window, but I'm going to go for it anyway. Because we've seen that so many times from Aaron Rogers over the past decade plus. I don't think McCarthy is the coach next year. I would tend to agree. Unless something miraculous happened.
Starting point is 01:08:51 And we've seen it before in the second half of the season with Rogers, where he just gets it on a heater. But if that doesn't happen, I agree with you. So great. Well, NFL Ryder, can you pick any game to go to every week? I tend to, I like to just watch every game. I'm the same one. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:09:08 I sit with a red zone, Andrew Siciliano, and I sit there and I take notepads, and I just watch games and write notes all day. When I do go to games, I tend to miss the game. I always say, oh, the game of the week is in Baltimore, and then it's in Seattle, and I'm sitting in a press box and feel like an idiot. I know. I'm the same way. It's great seeing you. Great, great being here. Kevin Clark for the ringer.
Starting point is 01:09:28 And, you know, Bill Simmons used to text me. He doesn't text me anymore. That's unfortunate. But nonetheless, we like Bill, and we love. love you and thank you for coming on the show. Thanks for me. The ringer, read it. Joy with the News.
Starting point is 01:09:38 No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Herdline News. Well, Dak Prescott's gotten a lot of criticism for the Cowboys' 3 and 5 record, as quarterbacks tend to do when their teams are losing. Yeah. But Jerry Jones, he sees the big picture, and he promises that Dak is still the quarterback of the future.
Starting point is 01:09:55 He made that statement earlier this week, and he doubled down on that promise on his radio show this morning. First of all, as to win was not a... addressed relative to right now or when. What you want to hear is from me, where are you regarding DAC? And I'm thinking DAC is our quarterback now and the future without equivocation. And that's the reason for making that statement. Is it a six-game losing streak? Is that equivocation? I mean, he said a lot there that was very confusing. But I think the bottom line is that he's sold
Starting point is 01:10:29 on DAC. All right. You know, I said it. earlier in this week. Philadelphia, time to throw another parade. Face DAC twice a year for the next decade, and you got Carson Wentz. 1660 yards, 10 touchdowns, and five interceptions. It's just not working. It's not working. I wish I could have explained it. He's tied for 22nd and touchdown passes also. That's not great. Well, they are 7.00 underdogs in Philly.
Starting point is 01:10:56 I think they're going to get blasted. I really do. I think Philadelphia is one of these teams that's just going to click. My only hesitation with the blowout prediction is that it is a division game. And that matters. That is something. And it is a must win game for Dallas. Yeah. So they do have to play with some level of desperation, which could go either way.
Starting point is 01:11:17 They could pull out a win or Dak could throw like four interceptions. You never know. But we'll find out on Sunday. So even though the Warriors said eight and two of the best record in the West, one thing that they fear most of all coming out of the shadows, injuries. Steph Curry is the latest, leaving last night's game with a string. left adductor. That's a thigh groin injury.
Starting point is 01:11:36 This comes a game after Jayvon Green was sidelined with a toe sprain, which will likely keep him out until next week. And Sean Livingston has missed six in a row with soreness in his right foot. And Andrea Godal has missed two games. And he has soreness in his left calf. It's interesting. It's interesting. Westbrook's hurt a lot.
Starting point is 01:11:53 And Curry's heard. But the Lakers have no shot in the West. All right. You know who's never hurt? LeBron. LeBron Jane. Never hurt. The Warriors bosses this season, both come with a rotation player on the inactive list. Does you have any concern with all these injuries so early in the season? I mean, I think this is, we all know Golden State's the best team in the league,
Starting point is 01:12:13 but I was lectured here not long ago that it was Golden State in Houston, locked into the Western Conference Finals. Well, you can take one of those teams out, and I still think they're fighting boredom. They look good for about, you notice that, they look good for about eight games. They're like, we care about the regular season. Then last night they get smoked by 30 at home. I'm still not ready to take any teams. out. I am. You're out. I told you I'm I bail on relationships, teams, businesses in two seconds. I'm a great bailer. I'm like the Bella check. I just bail on players. I bail on teams in two minutes. I mean, I don't think that the rockets have what it takes to beat the Warriors, but I still think that they can manage to get it together and get to the Western Conference finals. Goulet is one of the only people I haven't bailed on in the last 20 years. It's a true honor. And by the way, I've thought about it a hundred times.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Hey, what's that what you mean? We just started working together. I was that a little time before you bail on me? Yeah. Good to know. Finally, reports have surfaced about John Wall partying, going to clubs too much. This is just a Friday cake for you, Colin. That's what this story is.
Starting point is 01:13:18 All right, so the latest instance of wall partying, he was spotted at Rose Bar, which is a nightclub in D.C. And he took to Instagram Live to respond to all this. I just love practice about an hour or two ago so now I'm relaxing with my feet up but don't tell the fans I said that they think I put the stay in the gym all day I do
Starting point is 01:13:38 go to run's bar on Saturdays what and I pour the party once in the blue wild the fuck where you be at opera living room he then added it's a long season everybody doesn't start off great
Starting point is 01:13:52 keep being a fan I'm going to keep hooping if you don't like it you can hike it facts The Wizards are Two and Eighths. I'm not... Listen, listen. I get it.
Starting point is 01:14:05 Guys party. You need to have some balance in your life. I get that. I'm not going to be up on... My only thing is, if you're going to go out and party and you know that people are going to see you partying, you kind of have to lay off the... Don't tell me not to party thing when you're two and eight.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Well, it's also it's harder to party when you're losing and underachieving. That's what I'm saying. If you're winning... Yeah, nobody cares. Nobody cares. If you're losing, you know, people are going to care. So you're completely within your right to do whatever it is that you want,
Starting point is 01:14:31 but you know people are going to be critical of you when you're losing. Yeah, I've had issues with John Wall. This is not. I don't care. I mean, my problem with him is he doesn't get along with Bradley Beale. That's my big. Because I think Bradley Beal is a very good NBA player who is wasted about eight years of his career. I think everyone feels like the Wizards of Sort of money.
Starting point is 01:14:47 By the way, John Wall's extension, Joy, kicks in next year. So about four years are going to be paying him $40 million a year. Yes, in 22, 23, he makes $47 million. Done. Franchise done. Over. I mean, seriously. Done. Is that it? Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. Man, I got... By the way, I got to show you that Bill Belichick moment. This is as giddy as Bill Belichick gets, and I think there's a reason for it. So Belichick against Green Bay got Mike by the NFL films,
Starting point is 01:15:19 and he's just incredibly giddy throughout the game, and they just throw a touchdown pass to Josh Gordon, and here's Belichick. We're throwing that too. That's the job. All right. Great job. Yeah, great job. Great job.
Starting point is 01:15:33 Tell you what, holding him to 17? It's hard. It's about as giddy as he gets. And you know my takeaway on this? That play, that moment, was a real moment for New England. Never forget what they came into this season in August facing. They had a left tackle issue. Edelman and Hightower coming back from injuries.
Starting point is 01:15:55 Tom, Brady, Bill, relationship. ship, there was a fissure. Gronk had missed camp. Both the first round picks been banged up. In August, and then you play in September, it's like, on that play, Belichick knew Josh Gordon's a real weapon. Tom had nothing but time to throw. We solved left tackle, and we held Aaron to 17.
Starting point is 01:16:21 I think that play, Belichick was like, all right, this is. the team that can get to the Super Bowl and should get to the Super Bowl. That play, that moment, that epiphany. I speak about epiphanies all the time. There are moments in life. You're like, wow, we're free and clear. Check cleared. I'm going to make it. That was a big moment for New England, if you consider what they faced in August. Rob Parker, my nemesis, the instigator of FS1, is around the corner coming up. Sleep can be a struggle, and sleep shouldn't be a luxury, but for a lot of people, it is. If you're struggling to sleep at night, it makes your day miserable, you're cranky, you're tired,
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Starting point is 01:18:12 He is the instigator at FS1. Rob Parker on the show now on a Friday. What a pleasure. Joy, hello. Odd couple. Chris Bussar. every night. Okay, so you have never been a buyer of Dak Prescott.
Starting point is 01:18:29 No. Even his rookie year, which was very good, it all lined up perfectly for him. Had a great offensive line, had a rookie running back, and Zika Elliott, right, who tore up the league. So everything was worked out, and then they just had to manage it, not make big throws, not do too many risky things. So everything kind of worked out, and then you saw him be exposed last year and now this year.
Starting point is 01:18:54 I just, if you're the Dallas Cowboys, and I know Jerry said he's the quarterback of the future and they're going to sign them to some deal or whatever, they need to start looking for another quarterback. He's not going to get it done for them. Do you think he's a starter in the NFL? No, I think he's a backup quarterback, a very good backup that you could utilize,
Starting point is 01:19:10 but I'm out on Dak Prescott. So like somebody told me you had what they call a reveal in our business. Yes. You know what you were ripping. I think you were putting up some, quarterbacks or whatever and you We call it a blind resume about Dak Prescott. So I have somebody here
Starting point is 01:19:27 blind comparison and here's somebody who's even worse over the last couple games than Dak Prescott, a guy who you love and that guy is Tom Brady. He's been horrible the last two weeks. Even
Starting point is 01:19:43 that one touchdown, I always call him the Lote, the luckiest of all time. He wasn't throwing the ball to Josh Gordon. Even Bill He said, who are you throwing that to? That was an overthrow that just happened to go to Josh Gordon. You think you still, but you acknowledge Brady's great. He's a great quarterback.
Starting point is 01:20:01 No doubt about it. All I'm saying is in his whole career, he's had so many lucky things happen for him. And you know, I've chronicled them all the way back to the very first, the very first Super Bowl, the tuck rule against the Raiders. Tom Brady fumbled the ball. Tom Brady should not have gotten the ball back, and they shouldn't have won that first. Super Bowl. Give me a second one.
Starting point is 01:20:23 Seattle, at the one and a half yard line. Come on, Colin, you know that. First guess, you got to run that ball in. You got B. Smold, the best running back in the league at that time, got to run that ball in. You can't throw into a small space. So what's another one?
Starting point is 01:20:38 I could go with Atlanta. They're up in that game, 28 to 3. They choked, but the bad part was Julio Jones makes a great catch late in the fourth quarter. if you remember, it's first in 10 at the 22. Atlanta could have kneeled down three straight times, kick a field goal from the 22.
Starting point is 01:20:59 They're up by 11. Brady can't beat you. Instead, what did they do? They went to pass. There was a holding, pushed them back. There was a sack, pushed them back out of field goal range. I'm not even a football coach. I couldn't coach that game in one.
Starting point is 01:21:13 That doesn't sound like luck. That is luck to give Tom Brady to time. I'll give you the tuck rule. tuck rule is a break. Can I give you the other one? How about John Casey? There's nothing lucky about it. The Panthers, he kicked the ball out of bounds on the kickoff.
Starting point is 01:21:25 And there was nothing lucky about Seattle. And for the record. Luck favors the prepared. Yeah, the other thing is David Tyree caught a ball in his helmet. You don't think they lost the Super Bowl to the Giants on bad luck? You know what? It's funny because the past that he just threw the, that Josh Gordon got reminded me is when he missed West Welker and the other Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:21:45 No, West Welker dropped. No, he missed West Welker. Look at this. That's a great throw right there. It's a laser beam. Look at that. His numbers are worse than Dack Press got the last two games. Tom Brady has one lucky touchdown in the last two weeks. We're starting to see some of the erosion of Tom Brady.
Starting point is 01:22:00 Oh, my God. Oh, good. You couldn't even get it out in a straight face, Rob. Okay, so I got to shift to this. It's funny because you're the baseball guy on staff, and you don't like Brady, and you're very critical of the NBA. So Joy and I got into this very interesting argument all week. The NBA is going to televise its All-Star draft.
Starting point is 01:22:22 And Joy's like, this is offensive. The guys that don't get picked number one are going to look like schmucks. And I'm like, I think it's going to be fantastic. Here's what Charles Barkley said this week on the Lakers podcast. If you make the All-Star team, you should just shut the hell up and be happy you made the All-Star team. First of all, there's only probably five to seven guys that are worthy. If anybody's worried about that, they need to check them. Okay.
Starting point is 01:22:55 what do you make of it? No, Charles is right. I mean, you're going to be upset and get all worked up. But the only thing is the NBA missed it. It's a day late and a dollar short. And the only way you get any real drama and make it worthwhile is like the old days in the gym. If you line up all the players before the game and then have them pick, maybe there's a little drama, facial expressions.
Starting point is 01:23:17 Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah. But for two guys, two captains to be in a room a week or two before it, there's nothing there. I'm telling you, line the guys up right before the game and do it. Okay, John, get the music ready. You and I are going to do the game. I've done this twice this week. I love this game.
Starting point is 01:23:33 We're going to pick the All-Star teams. I'll give you first pick, go. The first pick, I'll take Kevin Durant. I knew you. You know I'm going to say Kevin Durant. I'll take LeBron. Okay, I'll take Westbrook. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:48 I'm going to take a guy that passes. I'll take Steph. I'll take James Harden. Hardin and Westbrook. Brooke, same back court. I'm going to take Janice. Very nice. Kyrie Irvin. Jesus, how many guards do you need?
Starting point is 01:24:02 I'm just taking, there are no positions in the NBA anymore. Okay, I'm going to take Kauai Leonard. Okay, by the way, your starting five is Katie, Westbrook, Harden, Kyrie Irving. You're not going to get a rebound against me. Okay, who's your fifth starter? Javelle McGee. There's my big rebounder. He's playing, he's bowling for the Lakers.
Starting point is 01:24:24 It's all stars. All-stars? He's not an all-star. This isn't an all-M-B-A. All-Star. You got KD. Westbrook, Harden, Kyrie Irving. Who's your big? Anthony Davis. Yeah, Anthony Davis. Of course. It's one of my thinking. Anthony Davis. Okay, so I got LeBron, Steph, Janice, Kauai. And who we got? You know who I? Clay Thompson. God, I'm going to beat you like a drum.
Starting point is 01:24:48 You didn't pick Steph Curry. I did too. LeBron, Steph, Yonis, Kauai, and Clay Thompson. I got a great back court. You can't stop Yon. I'll beat you. LeBron James is old now. Have you noticed? So you don't like Brady or LeBron James? Have you watched them?
Starting point is 01:25:05 Did you watch them in the fourth quarter of the last game that they won? Listen. I'm just asking you don't have any kids I do. As a parent, I let my kids fail in front of me as they grow. I don't want to solve all the problems. LeBron for the first time ever since like Cleveland the first time is playing with babies. He's experimenting. He's letting them fail.
Starting point is 01:25:25 He's trying to find if Brandon Ingram. can play. But the only problem is, and that brings us to Lonzo Ball. Then what is the deal with Lonzo Ball? Now, I told you last year he's a bust. If they were to redo the draft again, he wouldn't be a top 10 pick. He's got his issue. He's too passive. There's
Starting point is 01:25:40 other issues there. He's a little passive. But I'm against what the Lakers are doing. He went from Magic giving him the keys to the Staples Center to them changing the locks on him. He can't even, I mean, he sat 16 and a half minutes the other night in a
Starting point is 01:25:56 close game. There's no reason that this kid shouldn't be playing. If he can't play with LeBron James now in November where games don't matter? I mean, you know what I mean? If you can't play him now, when are you going to play him? I think they're making a mistake.
Starting point is 01:26:13 Rondo's here. Got a one-year contract. We know Rondo can play, right? We know playoff Rondo. Why isn't he playing? That's the best point you've ever made on this show. I've got to go. Good seeing. You have a nice weekend. Drive safe. Always. One more herd?
Starting point is 01:26:27 The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hour three, here we go. A great final hour of the herd, wherever you may be and however you may be listening live in Los Angeles. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio and FS1, Eric Dickerson in 15 minutes. We've got our college football, spoiler alert, biggest game of the weekend. We have Jason McIntyre Monday. I love that segment.
Starting point is 01:27:02 Mondays, headlines today. Very, very exciting. Joy Taylor is joining me here in the final hour. Our week, we've had a great week of shows this week. A lot of different stuff. Very, very strong week. Learning new things. I learned all about 5'0 today means the cops.
Starting point is 01:27:19 No idea. In my little bubble had no idea. I thought 5-0 meant I'm 50 I'm getting old. It means... Well, in certain conversations, that is what it means. But it also means the cops. It does. It does. Well, you learn stuff. You learn every... Never too
Starting point is 01:27:35 old to learn. Exactly. Or something like that. So coming up, Eric Dickerson, NFL Hall of Famer around the corner, but first. Well, well, well. So I was watching the Steelers smash the Panthers. And it really brought me back
Starting point is 01:27:53 to my childhood. When I was a kid growing up, I like boxing, and I love Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali, every time he stepped in the ring, one most of the time, didn't win all the time, was always the smartest guy in the ring. The angles, the jab, he'd wear you out, Thrilla in Manila, in Manila. He was always the smartest guy in the ring, and he was usually the best guy in the ring. He left nothing on the table. He got everything out of his career. I wish he was today the great star in boxing with social media. Muhammad Ali would be amazing. And then there was a bunch of fighters for a long time I didn't really care about.
Starting point is 01:28:29 And then there was Mike Tyson showed up. And he was wildly entertaining. And he walked into the ring and he was the most explosive. And he had the best knockout punch. But he left a lot of wins on the table in his career. And when I watched the Pittsburgh Steelers and I think about the New England Patriots, the Patriots always feel like Ali. I know that the smartest team playing.
Starting point is 01:28:52 When I watch the Steelers, I always feel like I got some Mike Tyson. When Mike Tyson was dialed in, you didn't want any part of Mike Tyson. In Pittsburgh last night, I got all of Big Ben's talent and he was efficient. 22 at 25. I got all of their talent and they were disciplined, only one penalty. I got all of their home run stars and they had seven different guy scores touchdowns. When Tyson was at his best, it was like, yeah, I don't want any part of Tyson. That's the team that should be the shoe-in for the AFC championships every year.
Starting point is 01:29:28 But New England shows up every year. And New England's on the phone going, Pittsburgh, where are you? You know, we'll send Tebow this time. Yeah, Joe Flacco beat us this time. What? What? I mean, last night was every Pittsburgh has everything, and they have for the last seven years. they've had everything you want.
Starting point is 01:29:50 Hall of Fame quarterback, dynamic perimeter players, a coach that's going to make the Hall of Fame, they always have great offensive lines with pro bowlers. They got a thousand-yard rusher. They hit hard. They're physical. They got swagger. Their pass rush is always better than New England.
Starting point is 01:30:08 How are they not in the AFC championship every year? But yesterday was classic Tyson slash Steelers. What happened yesterday before the game? Alavian bells sending an upside down tweet. Everybody's talking about it. Antonio Brown gets in trouble for going 100 miles an hour. Oh, it was classic Steelers. It was just even on a night they had it all geared up.
Starting point is 01:30:33 It's all sorts of noise before the game started. But man, they are lethal. They trailed 7-0. 11 seconds later, they led 14-7. That's like you're beating Tyson and you wake up on the mat. but I had won the first four rounds. Yeah, then he hit you with a left hook. I didn't see it exactly.
Starting point is 01:30:53 That was Tyson. Pittsburgh is highly dramatic and highly entertaining and highly talented and highly explosive. They're just highly all the time. You're just getting everything from it. And Carolina is a real team. I mean, going into that game last night in the NFC, I'm like, Saints Rams. Okay, Saints Rams are the best two. I think Carolina's their best team.
Starting point is 01:31:16 and that fight was over fast. We're going to look back at this 20 years from now. We're going to be like, you know, Pittsburgh would have won more Super Bowls, but they always had to go through New England. No, that's not the way it's worked. No, New England's only beating them once in the AFC championship. Two years they missed the playoffs. One year, Tebow beat him,
Starting point is 01:31:35 Flacco beat him, Bortles beat him, Peyton Manning beat him. This has never been about New England keeping the great Pittsburgh dynasty at bay. It's been Pittsburgh not showing up for the reservation. And New England's on the phone. Hey, where are you? You out in the parking lot? I'll hold the table.
Starting point is 01:31:55 No, no, we'll send portals. Hey, where are you guys? We're here waiting. No, no. Tim Tebow's on his way. Tebow? We already played him twice. Blew it.
Starting point is 01:32:06 Yeah, I know. Yeah, we lost a Tebow. I mean, wow is all I can say about last night. Wow. That was impressive. There were my Super Bowl pick. before the year, and they finally looked like it last night. Let me shift gears.
Starting point is 01:32:22 Before the season started in the NBA, you guaranteed me. You lectured me. Listen, this year for LeBron, let's not even talk about the Western Conference finals. Chemistry, and I said, I think they're going to be around 50 wins. I think the West isn't as good as you think. I mean, Golden State's obviously way better, but let's slow down on the can. Let's look at the cans. Well, last night was very interesting in the NBA.
Starting point is 01:32:51 The rockets, the rockets are awful. No, I mean, they lost to Oklahoma City, and Oklahoma City didn't have Westbrook. And by the way, Oklahoma City won their second straight game without Westbrook, showing that Westbrook's not nearly as valuable as you think. And oh, by the way, Steph Curry got hurt for Golden State last night. MRI today. Steph Curry's hurt again for Golden State. You keep telling me this Laker team just let's not worry this year about the playoffs.
Starting point is 01:33:23 They have no chance. Really? Oklahoma City, Westbrook is now a decade of attacking the rim and hitting the floor is hurt again. Houston Carmelo Anthony is an abject disaster. Portland scores only from the back court, nothing in the front court. Minnesota's got turmoil and a losing record. What about Denver? Really, Jamal Murray or LeBron in June, who you got?
Starting point is 01:33:52 New Orleans is a one-man team, and we're all waiting for the one-man Anthony Davis to be a Laker. The Lakers are deep and optimistic and long and athletic and third in the NBA and scoring, and they've got the world's best player, and they've got those young guys who are now Kuzma starting to hit their threes. And let me again remind you that the Lakers
Starting point is 01:34:14 are going into the easy part of their schedule for the next two weeks. A lot of wins, a lot of confident building wins. Sacramento, Atlanta, Portland at home, Orlando's awful, heat, calves. Jazz that get them at home, magic has a lot of doubles in there. And there's a lot of confidence building in there. You kept telling me, listen, this, this thing, this is just, you win, 45 games. You get in it as an eight seed.
Starting point is 01:34:52 Curry's hurt. Rockets awful. Minnesota in turmoil. Really trust Jamal Murray in the Nuggets. Portland Limited. Minnesota a mess. Westbrook here. Westbrook gone increasingly hurt.
Starting point is 01:35:05 It doesn't matter. Anthony Davis soon to leave the Pelicans. Lakers. LeBron. Eight games. Really easy. Young. Optimistic, athletic.
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Starting point is 01:36:31 Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. To those on our team who have served our nation honorably, a sincere special thank you. Greatly appreciate your dedication, your service, and your sacrifice, Thank you so much. It's great to have you in today. Before we get to Eric Dickerson, we have a great last 45 minutes of the show. We do this on Friday for the biggest college football game or games of the weekend. We call it our spoiler alerts. Warning, Colin is about to reveal the outcomes of the biggest college football games this week.
Starting point is 01:37:10 If you don't want to know exactly what's going to happen, turn away now. Biggest game is Ohio State at Michigan State. Something's wrong with Ohio. State's program. Last two weeks, they've surrendered on average 500 yards. One of those teams was Nebraska, which has an abysmal offense. Something's a miss. This is the way it works in college football. Outside of Nick Sabin at Alabama, most of these big dog dynasties, urban at Florida, seven years, Pete at USC seven years, less miles at LSU, really good for about seven years, Chip Kelly at Oregon about seven years, Jimbo at Florida State about seven years. Ohio State and urban. good for about seven years. The wheels are coming off. They lose good assistance and they can't replace them with equally good assistance. Listen, Ohio State has won the last six meetings against the Spartans and they're 51 and four in conference games at Ohio State. And, you know, they're the better team, especially offensively, big edge at quarterback. But spoiler alert, I'm going to say, closer than Vegas thinks. Ohio State.
Starting point is 01:38:19 24 to 23, but there are problems in Columbus last year getting routed by Iowa, this year getting routed by Purdue. I'm sorry, but you just don't see Alabama losing like that. You don't see Oklahoma losing like that. Problems for Urban Meyer, I think the end is near. And with that, they were the only undefeated team in the NFL until last weekend, and the Los Angeles Rams could not stop Drew Breeze and the Saints. And with that, we bring in one of the great Rams of all times.
Starting point is 01:38:57 Over a decade in the NFL, Hall of Famer, multiple-time pro bowler, eighth all-time in rushing yards, Eric Dickerson. Okay, let me guess. That was a good loss for the Rams. It's never a good loss, but I think I'm like everyone else. I'm kind of glad we got it over with because no one's going to go in. defeated. It's just not going to happen. I think that game went kind of like I thought it would go. I didn't expect the Saints to score 35 points before half. I didn't expect that.
Starting point is 01:39:30 You know, I don't think anyone did, but they did. But I give the Rams credit for one thing coming back, making the game of it. And had a chance to win that football game. But I think it's good to lose, get it off your back. So now, you know, everybody's got a loss or two unless just play football. Here's one of the things that I don't love this. So we know that Marcus Peters, Andy Reid gave him away, and Domen Sue kind of does his own thing. They trade for Dante Fowler, who is not only underachieve, but does not have a great locker room reputation,
Starting point is 01:40:02 not a great practice player. Now you've got a bunch of guys, Marcus Peters got smoked against the Saints. I mean, Eric, trouble in paradise? Look, there's no trouble in paradise. guys. It's funny how when you get one loss all of a sudden, everything gets bloated, you know, real big. Marcus Peters is who Marcus Peters is. I mean, I like Marcus Peters. I think he's the player for this football team. I like how he calls Sean Payton. Now, one thing a coach doesn't do is, it's call a player out. You never see Bill Belichick do that to a player. Call another player. Like, hey, you know, we have what we wanted against him and did this here.
Starting point is 01:40:36 Because, Bill, I mean, he doesn't have to play. Sean Payton doesn't have to play the game. You know, he stands on the side of his arms cross calling the plays. Marcus Peters did exactly what I would do. And one thing about football is you're not going to play great every week. You just doesn't happen. You had bad weeks. Of course. I mean, all of us do.
Starting point is 01:40:55 You felt like some weeks you just got to the hole faster. Some weeks, you know, you turned the ball over. I mean, I won't forget playing the Redskins one time in the playoffs. I couldn't hold the ball for nothing. I turned it over three times. I still remember that game. That's football. That's life.
Starting point is 01:41:07 That's how it works. Marcus Peters is a player that takes a lot of chances. He does. He takes a lot of chances. But you know what? as a football player, I like him. And one thing is you talk about, you talk about Marcus Peter,
Starting point is 01:41:17 you talk about Talib, you talk about Sue, you're talking about Dante Fowler. That locker room is a very close-knit football. You don't hear anything coming out of the locker room? No, exactly, nothing. Because you know what? They respect their coach very, very much. They respect McVeigh.
Starting point is 01:41:34 And he respects them. And that's all you ask the player. I mean, so, you know, you talk about all the personalities, but the personalities right now, they work for this football team. Eric, what's the longest? Because I've heard people say, in college basketball, you hear it a lot.
Starting point is 01:41:48 If a team's like 30 and O, you're like, you don't want to go to the tournament, 30 and O. It's okay. Young kids, what's the longest in your career you were on a team that was unbeaten? How long? Seven and O. And now, let me ask you,
Starting point is 01:42:01 when you got to be 7 and 0, like the Rams were like 8 and 0, did guys start talking about it? Of course, that pressure bills. I gave him a bad example. When I was going for 2,000 yards, and I was getting close to it, And I have a off week, man.
Starting point is 01:42:13 I'm like, man, you know, are you going to get $2,000? I mean, and I'm going to sleep dreaming about it, thinking about it. I'm like, can I get this over with? Oh, just am I going to bust and do nothing? So when you get it over, you're like, whoo, finally. Okay, let's like that loss. It's over with it. Now let's play football.
Starting point is 01:42:28 So the Rams lose, take a deep breath, now Seattle at home. I want to shift to last night with the Steelers. I said, you know, to start third hour, I said, you know, the Patriots are Ollie. They didn't win all their fights, but they were the smartest guy in the ring. mom is the smartest guy in the rink Steers got a little Tyson in him on the times he was buttoned up trained you know any piece of him
Starting point is 01:42:49 now sometimes Buster Douglas he didn't train at the end of his career he just didn't even jab there was no more jabbing he just showed up he just showed up he won't knock out but I got to tell you something last night when I watched Pittsburgh Eric it's just wow
Starting point is 01:43:05 pass rushers talent I'm sorry man when they're dialed in? When they're dialed in, they look like the best team in the AFC. Easily. They got so much. Kansas City didn't have that pass rush. No, no, they don't. In Kansas City has probably more talent on the offense. But you look at Pittsburgh's, I think Pittsburgh's
Starting point is 01:43:25 offensive line is playing better than any offensive line. I agree with you. Right now in football. Right now. They've been playing well pretty much for the last five years. But right now, they're playing better than anyone. I mean, James Connor, I mean, who do you take? When Levy Young, if he comes back, who do you put in? Do you put in? Do you Did you put Levion back in and leave James Conner there?
Starting point is 01:43:43 Me, I would leave James Connor where he's at right now because the chemistry is working. But this football team, you're right. They're like a Mike Tyson, but sure, they will knock you. Then all of a sudden, they'll go, shh. All of a sudden, they'll play the Browns and like, it's like sometimes you just never know what you're going to get with the Steelers. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest about it.
Starting point is 01:44:01 If you went and I asked you about the most talented team, talented teams know they're talented. Did you ever play in a team that had so much talent that you did go into practice weeks knowing, okay, we're playing a two and seven team. I mean, I think Pittsburgh, what I'm saying is, there is a burden to be gifted. Yes.
Starting point is 01:44:21 It is hard when you're as good as LeBron to get up on a Tuesday for the Nuggets. When I watch Pittsburgh, I think a lot of it is they just know how good they are. I'll say that when we were in college at SMU, we were so talented. It was certain games. I mean, guys are making a statement,
Starting point is 01:44:36 man, this is going to be a cake walk. You know, this is going to be an easy game. because we were just that talented. And when it happens, you know, you don't want to feel like that, but it's just, that's part of the game. It's part of the game. It's part of the game.
Starting point is 01:44:49 When you, so here we go. We go into the season. We're at week 10. Most of the teams we thought we're good, we're going to be good. Let's go to Philadelphia. So Carson wins gets hurt. They win the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:45:04 Don't train quite as hard. Get a few shoe deals. Everybody's having a good time. Car dealership checks. Everybody's showing up late. Philadelphia is the one team to me. I kind of feel like post- Thanksgiving, they're going to be a different football team.
Starting point is 01:45:16 When you go to the playoffs, when you have long runs, Eric, you get part of a Super Bowl team. It is different. By the way, you play for an extra month. Everybody else is off. You go to the longest playoff run you had. How did you play the following year? We played good.
Starting point is 01:45:33 We came back and played good the next year. You did. September you were buttoned up. Yeah, yeah. We played good the next year. Look, one thing is Philadelphia is not the New England Patriots. I mean, that's a team that's like a machine. You know, they just do it over and over.
Starting point is 01:45:46 The factory. It's just right. They just push it out. When I look at the Philadelphia, because this is a team that had a lot of injuries, had some injuries, but they're starting to come back. They're starting to come. I don't think, I think like this time, oh, they're at 1.7 and 0 last year, 6 and 0, and everybody was talking about they going to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:46:01 And all of a sudden Carson Wentz got her and like, oh, I don't know. Now can they go to Super Bowl? But they kept playing well. Right now, they're on that cusp. of, you know, can they do it? Can they not do it? I know they play the Cowboys this week. Should be a victory, but it's no guarantee.
Starting point is 01:46:14 And if they lose to the Cowboys, all of a sudden, people look them like, hey, what's going on with the Philadelphia Eagles? You know, they lost to the Cowboys. But, you know, I just feel like they're still a very, very good football. They're loaded. And a very dangerous football team too. Their defensive line is man.
Starting point is 01:46:30 Man, right, right. Bennett, Cox, great depth. All right, finally, this drives me crazy. about every five years there'll be a great college team and we're like they could beat a bad NFL team and Vegas came out yesterday and said the Buffalo Bills would be a 28 and a half point favored over Alabama okay and my takeaway has been
Starting point is 01:46:53 the average fan knows NFL athletes are great but they don't get how great they are so I want you to take me back so take the best SMU team Now, weren't they number one in the country at one point? We should have been. Okay. Number two.
Starting point is 01:47:10 Okay. So you were number two in the country. You, Craig James, McElaney, the quarterback, whatever. Okay. So you go from SMU. So you go from high school, you start, college you star, and you go to the NFL. Take me to the first couple of weeks, because you were obviously an unbelievable player. What's the first thing you noticed from a dominant college to SMU back then was,
Starting point is 01:47:31 I'm not going to say they were paying players, but you had a lot of good ones. How much you're talking about? So tell me the difference college to pro. Oh, God. Night and day, the speed of the game. The speed is unbelievable. Because I won't forget when John Robinson, we showed up at camp. Showed up a camp for the Rams.
Starting point is 01:47:48 For the Rams, my rookie season. So we had to be in camps two weeks before the veterans showed up. So I won't forget he said, look, the veterans are going to show up, and it's going to be a different game when these veterans showed up. I'm like, man, it ain't going to be no different. I mean, what's the difference? I never forget it. We had past protection.
Starting point is 01:48:02 It was Jackie Slater against Giac. Gary Jeter and a blitz pickup. And I'm standing back there watching, you know, because we'd been doing it for two weeks. All of a sudden, it was like, and I turned to the guy next to me, oldest grin, and I said, oh, hell no. I can't do that.
Starting point is 01:48:18 I said, that is too fast. And I'm serious. It is so fast. I was at the Alabama LSU game last week. Yeah. Let me tell you this much. Alabama's players look like pros. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:48:28 I mean, I was really, really impressed with the way they look, their physique, where they hit the field. Yeah. But let me tell you something. They play the Buffalo Bills. The Buffalo Bills would beat the hell out of Alabama. That's just the facts. I mean, it ain't going to happen.
Starting point is 01:48:40 I mean, you might think it is because those kids, those are kids. All of a sudden, you see a guy like, man, that's my hero. I mean, I play him on Madden football. It's also a psyche. But those are grown men. You're talking my guys are 18, 19, 20 years old, opposed to guys that are 22, 24, 33, 34, big difference. I always argue this.
Starting point is 01:49:00 The best CFL team would beat the best. college team because the offensive lineman would be 30 years old. Right. They're bigger. And they're smarter. I mean, it's like when you break a run in college, you watch a guy break a run in college. He breaks down the sideline. All of a sudden, they're chasing him. They're trailing, like this. In the pros, they're running where you're going to be. Like they're cutting, they have guys run here, they have guys here, the guy's here, they're cutting you off. And the pros, in the college, you don't think like that.
Starting point is 01:49:27 Let's just chase him. Let's just chase him. And the pros. Angles. It's all about the angles. and they got a guy cutting you off. So when you cut back, you cut back into, oh, I didn't think he was behind me. By the way, in college and high school, nobody ever caught you. No. Were you, in the NFL, it was the first time somebody caught you. Who?
Starting point is 01:49:43 Darrell Green. Well, he's a fast guy in the world. I think a fast guy in the world. I mean, Del Green. What can I say? What did you say? What did you say? First of all, I'm 220 pounds.
Starting point is 01:49:53 Darry Green is 170 pounds. You know, he grabbed me around my legs and I looked back. I said, I knew it was you. That's all I like to say. Good senior. Hall of favor Eric Dickerson. Joy Taylor with the news. No.
Starting point is 01:50:06 No. No. No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, so Des Bryant arrived in New Orleans and had his first practice with the Saints yesterday. But will he be ready to go against the Bengals on Sunday? Sean Payton had a little to say about that. His workout was good.
Starting point is 01:50:22 He's a little heavy, and it's pretty common. I think probably five pounds without having gone through a training camp. And, you know, we felt like he did a number of things that we were. that we liked in the workout. We'll begin that process today. Coach, what does his next couple of days look like? We'll see. We'll see how today goes. We'll take it one day at a time and see how much he can digest and give him parts to the plan. You know, there's a third down element or red zone element, a lot of different things that we think he provides versatility for.
Starting point is 01:50:50 Cincinnati does, Joy, have a really good pass rush. Breeze may not have a ton of time for Des. They may do a lot of running the football because Cincinnati can rush the passenger. It's good. defense. Well, I mean, I don't think anyone should have any high expectations for this situation right away. And Des is not going to be in football shape. It's not surprised that he's five pounds overweight. That's just, that's why you have training camp. Most guys don't come into training camp ready to go for the season. That's why they have training camp in the first place. He hasn't been getting hit. And I'm sure he's been working out, but he's not in game shape. And it takes time alone in the playbook. It's not like he's, he was traded from another team and
Starting point is 01:51:29 he's already geared up. He hasn't been playing at all. He's got to go over the playbook. He's got to get reps in with Drew Brees. So you shouldn't expect too much right away. But they better get it going before that Cowboys game because everyone's looking forward to that. So the Steelers are hitting their stride just in time for the season's stretch run. They moved the 6-2-and-1, fifth win in a row, and the second win in five days, crushing the Panthers last night. And Big Ben finished with 22 of 25, 328 yards, five touchdowns and no picks.
Starting point is 01:51:59 And he was asked if the Steelers are peaking. You know, you want to keep trying to move up until the end, keep trending up or whatever I want to call it. So we're playing some pretty good football right now, but there's still some stuff out there that we can make. The defense, they were playing like their hair was on fire. And so it was a lot of fun for all parties involved. By the way, the veteran coached Steelers, Rocky and September Good Now, veteran coach Patriots, Rocky in September Good Now. some of these... I was just about to say that.
Starting point is 01:52:33 Remember at the beginning of the season when we were like, the sky is falling, the Steelers should ever. I was doing that too. I would admit it. I would say this. The biggest change for me is the pass rush.
Starting point is 01:52:45 It started about a... When did they play Atlanta? When Pittsburgh played Atlanta, and I mean, Matt Ryan had no time to throw. I remember coming on the following a Monday and I said, I don't know where that came from,
Starting point is 01:52:56 but if that's the pass rush, the rest of the year, because Atlanta's O-line's pretty good. I think the pass-rubes. has changed everything. It's, it's, Cam Newton was under siege last night. He was. And despite how you may feel about the Panthers today,
Starting point is 01:53:09 that's a good win by the Steelers. And, and Panthers, they were in your Super Bowl bubble yesterday. They may not be, they made, the bubble may have burst for that. Oh, really? They could be on the way out. Just one loss, huh? I tell you, I'm a bailer. Relationships, I bail fast.
Starting point is 01:53:25 I mean, sometimes you got to stick with it, you know? By the way, week five, John said they played Atlanta. Pittsburgh hasn't lost since. That was the start of their streak. And I watched the game and it was like their pass rush was, by the way, Baker Mayfield faced him twice. The second time, Baker Mayfield had no time to throw. Well, look, Carolina's offense has been rolling. Humbing. Doing nothing but ranting about what North Turner has done for Cam Newton. And in this offensive revolution that the NFL is seeing, if you have a good pass rush, that's the difference maker.
Starting point is 01:53:56 Like, look what you're saying. Cam Newton doesn't have time to throw the ball. He's under siege. You win the game. You put up 52 points. That's how it works. Keep your offense on the field. All right, finally, and lots of talk about Alabama and the bills. Well, back when Sam Hinky was starting the process, the discussion always centered on whether John Caliperi's Kentucky team could beat the lowly 76ers. So this year, the same conversation is happening with Duke being the Powerhouse college team after that incredible first game and the Cavs being the woeful NBA team. So Paul Pierce decided to join in on that debate. Oh, brother.
Starting point is 01:54:31 Don't see that Duke game last night. They got some heat. They could beat Cleveland. You heard it here first. No, they couldn't. Cavaliers would run them off the floor. No. Run them off the floor.
Starting point is 01:54:41 Zion Williamson has not proven. Way to play Zion Williamson and the NBA? Shoot jumpers all day. We get so excited about stuff, don't we? Yeah. He'll be a good player, though. We can't even control ourselves. I'm not going to pretend like I know more about basketball than Paul Pierce.
Starting point is 01:54:54 But I feel comfortable in saying that the Cleveland Cavaliers, a lot of who that team has just played in four straight finals, four straight NBA finals against grown men and arguably one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history, probably put a few up on on Duke. If Kevin Love was healthy, he'd score whenever he wanted to
Starting point is 01:55:14 against Ian Williamson and all of Duke. He'd score whenever he wanted to. I mean, Cleveland does have one win against the Hawks. They're not a great team. Do you think that Duke could beat the Hawks? Yeah, that's the always funny thing is that we always say like, Alabama would beat Buffalo.
Starting point is 01:55:30 Well, Buffalo beat the Vikings. And Alabama plays Clemson tomorrow. It's a touchdown game. So can Clemson beat... Right. And if Clemson struggled with Syracuse can then Syracuse beat the Jets. It would be a disaster.
Starting point is 01:55:43 Yeah. Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hirdline News. The last great college team where it was like the 2000 Miami Hurricanes, where they blow...
Starting point is 01:55:55 They destroyed everybody. but 2001 Hurricanes was the last college team you're like God and they struggled with Boston College and they struggled with Florida State and they struggled with Virginia Tech. I mean, it's a fun fan discussion to have. I don't think so. Well, I mean, people obviously have it.
Starting point is 01:56:15 Punch me in the forehead with it. I hate it. I hate it. But it's a fun fan discussion. But it's just like you said to Eric Dickerson. Sometimes we just get a little. Crazy. We get crazy, but I think we just,
Starting point is 01:56:27 get too conditioned to it, to watching it, that you forget that this is like the 1% of the 1% of 1% of athletes in the world. Like they are, there's a reason why we pay them, well, they get paid millions and millions of dollars to do what they do. There's no one else in the world that can do it. Listen, when you go watch an NBA warm-ups, they don't miss jumpers. Lanzo ball will hit 13 straight threes. NBA players don't miss open shots.
Starting point is 01:56:55 in like in warm-ups. College guys miss open shots, warm-ups, games. You go to a Laker practice. Kyle Kuzma will shoot threes, and it'll let 20 of 23-3s. But it's just, the bigger example is this, whether it's college basketball
Starting point is 01:57:11 or whether it's college football, you may, may, on a college team, maybe you have one NBA player if you are an elite college team, right? You have one NBA player who starts and one bench guy. And call the football best college team 10 NFL players, right? Every member of the pro team
Starting point is 01:57:30 is a professional. You're going up against other college teams. You should be able to beat them. Colin Sexton is the top pick by the Cavs. He was an excellent college player. If you watch him, he is completely over his head. And maybe he'll get better, but he's playing against
Starting point is 01:57:45 all pros now. All of them are at a professional level. Jason Bancontire is next. Thanks, Joey, with the news. And Jason McIntyre's next. Monday. Oh, that's not the news. we were just talking. Monday's head, it's a long show. Monday's headlines today with Jason McIntyre coming up.
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Starting point is 01:59:34 Mustin Sports. We saw it when the Giants locked up Odell Beckham. Exxon knows how important loyalty is. Exxon's loyalty program. Sign up today. Exxon and mobile rewards plus 15 cents earn it per gallon. First 30 days after you register, you can get bonus points. Take advantage of Exxon's special point boosting offers. Exxon and mobile rewards plus. Sign up today at ExxonMobilrewardsplus.com. Terms and conditions apply. Must enroll prior to January 31st of next year. Exxon. All right. We call it our best for last. It's Mondays. Headlines today with Jason McIntyre. I love this. So I'll give you the story you tell us what we're talking about on Monday, number one. Des makes his Saints debut against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Starting point is 02:00:28 Monday's headline today is... Well, Des Bryant's expected to play. However, there is a report today that he's maybe going to have to limit his snaps because he's a little bit overweight. Yes. And he needs to go to more practices. Regardless, I'm all in on the Des move. I've completely changed my mind.
Starting point is 02:00:45 The Monday headline, Regrettable Desion. And here's why. Listen, think about this. the Saints offense is so good. Des Bryant's going to be the fourth option, right? Michael Thomas, Kamara, Ingram. On the Cowboys, he would have been facing number one cornerbacks. He's going to be facing number two, number three cornerbacks.
Starting point is 02:01:02 Imagine the thought. Des Bryant's going from commenting on Instagram all week, right? And now he's going to be playing for a Super Bowl contender. Jerry Jones continues, Colin, to look like a buffoon. I mean, and I don't mean to be mean here, but this is a guy who cut Des Bryant, and then he's like, wait, we need a receiver. Let me go trade for Amari Cooper. gave up a first round pick.
Starting point is 02:01:22 Jerry Jones is just all going south. Now he's not firing Jason Garrett. I think Jerry Jones should be on the hot seat if you're looking at an owner that should be in trouble. I mean, he's been a disaster this year. Second story, Monday's headlines today. Brown's host of Falcons trying to end a four-game losing skid. I don't know how we always are talking about your buddy Baker Mayfield. And it's just so surprising.
Starting point is 02:01:44 Yeah. Well, after he takes his fifth straight loss this weekend, I think the Monday headline will be R-I-P to the Baker-Mayfield hype. Colin, it's over. This is staggering, but one of the guys here on the staff showed it to me. If you look at his stats this year, they're identical, nearly down to the percentage point, to Blake Bortles in Jacksonville. That's how bad it's been for Baker-Mayfield. Now, there is some chatter. They have the by-week this week coming up, right? That Baker-Mayfield be getting married, he might be getting married on his bi-week, right? We know in Cleveland, it's like 30 degrees. All the Browns are looking to get to the Caribbean. And I think they're
Starting point is 02:02:20 mail it in here against a Falcons team that's surging. And, you know, two Browns defensive starters went on the IR this week. Colin, the situation in Cleveland is bad. Listen, here's the thing. All the rookies are struggling. But here's an interesting thing from Vegas. Cleveland leads the NFL and takeaways. If you win the takeaway battle in the NFL, you win 77% of your games.
Starting point is 02:02:41 If you win the turnover battle, they're dominating the turnover battle and getting hammered. Their offense is awful. And Baker Mayfield, he's just not really living up to the hype, wouldn't you say? I mean, as soon as he went in and beat the Jets, you know, luckily in that second half at home, people were all gassed up. He's not going to win rookie of the year. We can just settle that debate now. Like, people stop talking about it. Jeez.
Starting point is 02:03:05 Okay. Monday's headlines today, Patriots Titans. This is a game we're on different sides here. You know, this is a revenge special for your guy, Malcolm Butler. Of course, the Super Bowl story was massive. I believe Monday. People will be reading a headline that says Butler gets revenge against Belichick. Now, all the numbers from Malcolm Butler say he's one of the worst cornerbacks in the league this year. If there ever was a get-well spot, it's against the guy who benched him in the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 02:03:34 This is a perfect revenge spot for Malcolm Butler. It's a great revenge spot for Dionne Lewis as well. Remember the Patriots had him last year? We don't need you. And let me toss us in. The last time Belichick faced one of his disciples was in Detroit. And what happened? Patriots got smoke.
Starting point is 02:03:49 They couldn't stop the run. I think Malcolm Butler has a good game. I'm going to put him down for an interception. And I like the Titans to win outright against the Patriots at home this Sunday. You know, it's funny because the Saints and the Patriots have had multiple weeks of huge games. You know, like the Saints have been like at Baltimore, then Revenge, Minnesota and the Rams. So I think the Saints are flat. I could make the same argument, though I'm not with, because I think Tennessee is so limited offensively
Starting point is 02:04:17 and they're coming off a short week. But, you know, I mean, New England's come off that huge Kansas City game. And the Green Bay win. Listen, let's be honest about the Patriots. They were tied at 17 at home against the Packers. And, you know, they had the turnover and the fumble luck. But they're not good at stopping the run. We saw Aaron Jones running all over them for the Packers.
Starting point is 02:04:36 I think Dionne Lewis has a good game. I think the big running back from Alabama has a good game. I like Tennessee in this spot. All right. Monday's headlines today. Lavian Bell reports are good rejoin the Steelers. next week. This has been one of the biggest clickers for us on the big lead. Levyon Bell
Starting point is 02:04:53 just complete nonsense. Last two weeks, total, just... I mean, the guy's writing upside down tweets. What's wrong with it? First of all, I didn't know you could do it until two days ago. That's what he's spending his time doing. I think the headline Monday is going to be Levyon Bell, upside down. Please take me back.
Starting point is 02:05:10 Hey, here's a stat for you. James Conner has more TDs this season than Levyon Bell's ever had in a season. Ten, rushing the football. I'm telling you, Leveon Bell is going to have to be groveling for them to take him back. Did the Steelers not look like they're ready to compete in the AFC last night? It's a really interesting point is, and I've always said this, if I left my show long term and somebody filled in even a friend,
Starting point is 02:05:32 you wouldn't want him to double my ratings. You wouldn't want to double my ratings. The reality is when you watch Pittsburgh last night, you don't need Levian Bell. They're fine picking up the blitz. Connor can catch passes. The offensive line is totally comfortable blocking for Connor. They liked the way he, that one cut.
Starting point is 02:05:50 I mean, I'm watching them last night. Carolina's got a really good front seven. Big Ben was not rushed, not threatened. There were big gashes to run through. A quick word on Carolina. Everybody, a lot of people at this network love Cam Newton and what he's done this season. They're a bit fraudulent if you look into the numbers. Fourth easiest schedule in the league.
Starting point is 02:06:09 Number four in turnover margin. Like, they're winning games against bad teams. Carolina's a bit fraudulent. I think Pittsburgh could be Super Bowl-bound. I picked him to win it. All right. Finally, Monday's headlines today. A lot of NBA storylines. What's the juicy one? When I told everybody on social media, I was going on the herd again. They're like, oh, more Lakers. No, no Lakers here. This is about the Houston Rockets. Everybody loves the Rockets. See, they lost again last night. Chris Paul was terrible again. I believe the Monday headline. Are you ready for this?
Starting point is 02:06:38 There's going to be an ad in the newspaper missing Houston Rockets title hopes. Last scene in May 2018. Colin, seriously, remember the Rockets last year, 61? wins, they're going to beat the Warriors. They're four and six this year. Chris Paul, the numbers, he's having the worst shooting season of his career. Chris Paul, they just gave him a massive four-year contract. The Rockets, remember they added Carmelo Anthony? Like, good luck with that. This team, I don't want to go overboard. I don't know that there are top five or six team in the West right now. No, I, if you told me the teams I know can play, I know Golden State's good, I know Toronto's deep and good, I know Boston's good. And I think Utah.
Starting point is 02:07:19 Don't forget the Lakers. They're going to be there. No, but I mean, I'll just say three teams. I know we're going to be around in the conference finals. Golden State's really good. Toronto and Boston. Then there are two teams, Milwaukee, Utah, that are going to be standing late. And then there's a couple of teams like Philadelphia.
Starting point is 02:07:37 I don't know if guys get along. You start looking at Houston right now? No, they're bad. Hey, Colin, you know, windows closed quickly for a championship. contenders. John Wall and the Wizards a couple years ago. Everybody's talking, oh, wizards are good. They're two and eight. They're a disaster right now. Do you know, a player I have always loved in the NBA that has disappeared is Bradley Beale. Hey, there's talk that the Lakers are interested in trading. First of all, there's three good
Starting point is 02:08:02 two guards in the league. Clay Thompson and Bradley Beal. C.J. McCollum's. That's it. And Bradley Beal, there's a reason that Belichick always trades with the Browns, because Browns players are better in his system. If you notice where Belichick goes, Buffalo and Cleveland, he's like, listen, those systems are suppressing the player. Bradley Beal has had to play with John Wall. You put Bradley Beal with a Lanzo passer or a LeBron. Bradley Beale's a 22-point-of-game guy in this league.
Starting point is 02:08:33 Speaking of John Wall, I haven't heard much from the John Wall Peanut Gallery lately. What's going on there? How's his leadership skills in Washington? They're two and eight. Jeez, eight. But keep an eye on those rockets. I'm telling you, Mike Dantone, Carmelo, Anthony, it's a powder keg in Houston. We're giving you stuff that's going to happen early.
Starting point is 02:08:50 There you go, Colin. There's your headlines. Monday show is going to be great here. Trent Dilfer, my guy, will be a Monday. Monday headline today, Trent Dilfer is going to be on the show. And he's going to be in studio, which is great. We love having Trent Dilfer live to break down Des Bryant's St. New Orleans Saints debut.
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