The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Straight Fire - Cowboys Could Spiral, Dolphins Dropped 70 (!!) on Denver & Dumb NFL Coaching Decisions

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

On today’s episode, Jason discusses what’s next for the Dallas Cowboys following their shocking loss to the Arizona Cardinals, whether the Dolphins hanging 70 on the Broncos says more about Miami or Denver, where his beloved New York Jets go from here after yet another ugly offensive performance, which NFL head coach made the worst coaching decision of the day and much more! Finally, J-Mac closes the show with his own Best Bets for tonight’s Monday Night Football double-header. Follow Jason on Twitter and Instagram. Click here to subscribe, rate and review all of the latest Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre podcasts! #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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For Monday, September 25th. What an incredible weekend in sports, Saturday, college football, Sunday NFL. that Taylor Swift references coming up out that wazoo. I actually sat with my daughter and we went through Taylor Swift songs that I could work into the podcast and on the herd later today. Let's see how many you can find. Honestly, you've got to be a big Taylor Swift fan to know. I mean, and there's ancillary stuff that I don't even know where to start, folks.

I don't. You know, so many things happen this weekend. For instance, my son, you know, he's playing in chess tournaments. He enters a chess tournament. It's close by here, out here in L.A., and he will. the damn thing. Unbelievable. I mean, I posted it on the Instagram. He won his first chess tournament. So he's on cloud nine. His ratings are up. You know, he's got like a national rating and a rating in California. He's all geeked. Okay. And your boy played back-to-back

basketball games, pick up Saturday and Sunday morning, first time in, I don't know, over a year. And I held up pretty damn good. You know, I had this surgery last month. And then Sunday hits. And not a great Sunday and fantasy. But I want to remind people the die-hardly listen to this podcast. Every Sunday, we watch the games, we talk about them, and I give an early read on the games I like. I told you guys on Monday

that I love the Buffalo Bills. I told you guys on Monday that I love the Miami Dolphins. I added that I love the Chargers, okay? And then what happens during the week? Jason, reading about the games, seeing where the line moves. Jason

turns into a wuss when it comes to the contest. And I'm like, wow. How can I take the bills? Look at all this money flowing in on Washington so I didn't take the bills in the contest. Look at all this money coming in on Denver. How can I... I got to respect to sharp money.

These guys are betting $100,000 on games. You know? I got to respect that, right? And like a wuss, I backed off those games. So a little frustrating, two and two in the contest, waiting on Tampa. I mean, it could have been a 5-0. I have some bad news to report.

Okay? The big money survivor contest. You guys remember last year I was in a deep into the season. It was chaos throughout, and I was like a final 20 guy in the contest. I mean, the payout was like $81,000. I was all geeked. And then I had the Patriots on Mennonite football against the Bears.

Usually Belichick owns young quarterbacks and fields ran wild, and I lost. I was so ticked. I have two entries in this year. This week, in this contest, I picked Jacksonville, big home favorite. I had them in the contest, too, like an ass clown. They get smoked. Okay? And then I had Dallas because they're playing against Arizona.

And I know it's a divisional matchup and it's a week before the Patriots and they just lost Trayvon Diggs. Jay, be careful. I'm like, come on, it's Dallas. Their defense is dominant. What, Josh Dobbs is going to do something? And then Dallas lays a massive egg. And folks, in what I think probably is the upset of the season so far, the Arizona Cardinals as anywhere 12, 13 point favorites. Sorry, Arizona Cardinals 12, 13 point underdogs.

Shocked the world and beat Dallas by double digits. Okay? And folks, if you watch this game like I did, you had Survivor, maybe you had some guys in fantasy. A couple things jumped out. All the Dallas Cowboy fans' fears came to reality in this game. First two weeks, Dallas playing with the lead. Dak riding the defensive special teams stake to a lead.

They look good. No pressure on DAC. Look like a Super Bowl team. And then what happened? Against Arizona. They fall behind early. And the offense cannot make anything happen early. And all of a sudden, Arizona's looking kind of sort of frisky.

And then Mike McCarthy strikes. In classic Mike McCarthy fashion. I've got all the numbers here. In the second half, okay? This is as bad as it gets. The Dallas Cowboys drove to the Arizona eight-yard line and settled for a fuel bowl. The next time they got in the Arizona territory, they drove to the four-yard line turnover on downs.

Then they drove to the Arizona eight. and settle for another field goal. Then the Arizona 6 and Dak threw an interception ballgame. They got inside the Arizona 10-yard line four times and got six points. That's how you lose a game. And when Mike McCarthy was down 12 in the fourth quarter, Rob, I've charted this. He called eight rushes, down 12 in the fourth quarter. You need two touchdowns, two touchdowns.

And you're running the ball with Tony Pollard? this is the fear with Dallas. Mike McCarthy and Shottie cannot get the job done. They are not the man for the job. This is not how you're beating San Francisco in the playoffs or the Eagles. Or hell, I don't know, Detroit Lions, maybe. Like, you're not beating them. Not with Mike McCarthy calling this nonsensical 1980s throwback garbage.

Ultra conservative. In a game they trailed throughout. Dallas never led. decked through 40 passes and they rushed the ball I believe 33 times. What balance? I mean, you look at the Chargers.

Justin Herbert throws the ball 47 times, 400 yards passing. And the Chargers barely survive. Okay? This idea that McCarthy wants to run the ball constantly to keep his defense fresh. Defense got dumped truck by Josh Dobbs. Like Josh Jobs was making plays.

They were scheming away from Michael Parsons. Like, listen, we've been bashing the Arizona Cardinals. tanking for Caleb Williams. The Arizona Cardinals just took themselves temporarily out of the Caleb Williams running. I mean, right now, Chicago is certainly on the track. They are, undeniably, the leader in the clubhouse. But this loss for Dallas is something that you've got to be really concerned about. You lose Trayvon Diggs for the season.

Obviously, that's big. I don't want to hear that as an excuse for this week. They came out flat on both sides of the football. McCarthy coached an awful game, and Dak is not that dude. He's not going to elevate the players around him when he needs to have a big comeback. That's just not in his DNA. He was not making the plays against a bad Arizona team. We saw last week, Rob, Daniel Jones in this exact same spot down 20.

Daniel Jones storms back. Brian Dable essentially said, Dan, we can't run the ball. This has got to be all throwing. And as Daniel Jones rollouts, Daniel Jones scrambles, they come back and they win the game. Dak Prescott could not come back and win the football game. and lo and behold, what's up next? The New England Patriots coming to Dallas. Folks, I saw this line.

This was the second game I bet Sunday night. The New England Patriots getting seven in Dallas. And Matthew Judon and that Patriots defense, which has been very good all season. They were good against the Eagles. They were spirited against the dolphins. I know they lost that game, but look what they did slowing Miami,

given what Miami's done to the Chargers and the Denver Broncos. Like, they slowed that two offense. I know they got run on, but a Patriots getting seven on the road from a Dallas offense that does not scare you? Like, Patriots have some injuries in the secondary. I get that, but that was the second game, I bet. New England Patriots and Dallas. But then it gets worse. So now Dallas is two and one.

They play the Patriots. Let's just say they blow the game and Mack Jones finally makes a place. He's not making plays. Then they play the Niners. And these Super Bowl-bound Cowboys, everybody loves them, suddenly go from, 2 and 0 to 2 and 3. This could spiral quickly. And this was a big concern, Rob, all summer.

We said, is McCarthy the man for the job? I don't know. Everything I saw has me terrified. And I'm not just saying this because I had a survivor, but I would be terrified if I were a Cowboys fan about McCarthy and the offense. I think part of it has to do with you having them a survivor. I think, you know, just a little bit has something to do with that. Look, they play terribly.

Were it not for some other coaching blunters we'll get to here in a minute, You know, this may have been the all caps big story of the day on Sunday. But, you know, when you have a team putting up 70 and you have a couple of coaches making quite possibly some of the worst decisions in NFL history, you know, the Cowboys have kind of been able to slide under the radar here early on Monday morning. I'm not as concerned because I think that next Sunday will be a get right game for them. And their story says that they, you know, seem to handle mediocre offenses. And as good as that New England defense is, their offense is not great.

So I think that they... What's Arizona's offense? Josh Dobbs, they've been plucky. I know that they're not the most talented bunch out there, but throughout three games, they've been okay. I think Josh Dobbs would, you know, be 10 times the quarterback that you have right now with the New York Jets, just putting that out there.

Somebody asked me, Josh Dobbs or Justin Fields. I didn't. I don't know, Rob. I mean, listen, I... But look, my big issue with what happened in Dallas. I mean, you know, they laid an egg as disappointing as it is, that's kind of their ammo. This is what the Dallas Cowboys do. On one hand, they can beat a team 40 to nothing.

In the other hand, they'll come out and lose to a team that's supposedly tanking. My big issue with them is something that Doc Prescott said after the game. They asked him about the loss and his performance and so on. And here's part of his quote. Y'all put us on top of the world. We knew who we are in that same sense. I'm sure the media got what it wanted. Dak, I work in the media.

Jason, this show we're doing here is part of the media. I can promise you that nobody in the media was rooting for you to lose to the Arizona Cardinals. Okay. The Dallas Cowboys are good for business. If the Dallas Cowboys are winning and they're successful, they are great for business. It's part of the reason why a lot of these TV shows on FS1 and ESPN NFL Network will give you a lot of Cowboys coverage throughout the week, even though they haven't won a Super Bowl. to quote my friend Rob Parker since Moby Dick was a guppy.

Like, we want them to do well. The ratings are better when the cowboys do well. And so when you lay an egg like that, it's not that anyone's rooting against you. It's that this is who you are. This is who you have been. And it's not that people are taking and joined out of you losing. It's that we like to be right.

And people know what to expect from the Dallas Cowboys now going back the last 30 years or so. So that's my big issue with the Dallas Cowboys. But unlike you, I'm not ready to jump off the bandwagon just yet. So do you remember the playoff game two years ago where they had a billion penalties against Sanfran? Yes. So against Arizona, 13 penalties, 107 yards.

Like, how is that out on the coach? Just undisciplined. Oh, by the way, the Cowboys defense, the mighty defense, best unit in the league. Josh Dobbs had 7.5 yards per play. Jesus. 400 yards of offense. How does that happen? Arizona.

7.5, 7.4 yards per carry. 7.4 with James Conner and whoever the hell else. I don't know. This Dallas team, listen, NFC is kind of wide open. I think the Saints with the car injury. Let's see how bad it is. And that loss, that's devastating for them. I think a team to watch could be the Packers.

I'll tell you why. I don't know if we'll get to it, Rob. You know, we've led the podcast the last two weeks because of Miami. And you know, we'd like to be forward thinking on this podcast, what's next, what's coming. We've been on Miami. We told you last week, some machine, bad matchup for Denver. What I didn't know was some of the stuff Mike McDaniel dropped in the post game. That Mike McDaniel grew up in Denver and he was once a ballboy for the Broncos.

And, you know, McDaniel was a highly thought of coach and the Broncos had their opening. And they didn't reach out to him at all. And he took that. What do they say? Is it the Michael Jordan meme? And I took that personal. That's right. I took that person.

And I saw a crazy stat that the Denver Broncos, hold up. The Denver Broncos had on the season 69 points. The Dolphins scored 70 in one game. So like my family was out somewhere, wherever they were on Sunday. And they walk in the door. And I have to tell them the first thing like, you know, they don't really, they couldn't tell you five guys on the dolphins. And they walk in the door, I'm like, Miami's got 70 points.

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I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple, podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. It snowballed so fast. It was like 35 and then 42. And then like, you know, it was like the witching hour and all this wacky stuff was happening. And then next thing I look at my fantasy, you know, I have fantasy on one screen

and the scores. And I see 69. I was like, no, is that a mistake? And they're just pouring it on. And listen, Sean Payton got a little snappy. I'm sure you've seen the video where the reporter's like, you know, it's kind of embarrassing to give up 70 points. Teddy. He's like, what's the question? Next question. Peyton's a little salty.

Listen, Colin's been all over this. This could be a Russ, Peyton thing. I don't see how Russ is to blame. Your defense gave up 70 points in over 700 yards. Nobody in the NFL scored 70 points in, I think, 60-something years. I believe Miami had the best offensive game yardage wise in the history of the sport. A guy that, I got to be honest, he's not on my fantasy radar. Arcane? What was his name, Rob? I think it's A-Kane. The running back. Devin A-Kane?

So. I dropped him before last week, just so you know. I had him on my team, dropped him. I was reading about it. He goes and does this. You're the fantasy savant. Like, listen, he had some juice in the preseason. Then he suffered a shoulder injury.

So they really hid him the first two weeks for making sure he's healthy. Dude came out 200 yards rushing and four touchdowns. I was like, is that real? He had more. rushing yards than New York Jets had total, total against the Patriots. It's bad. The Jets, I don't even know if we're going to talk about them. This Miami team is filthy.

And, oh, by the way, did I mention Jalen Waddle did not play? They dropped 70 points without their second best offensive player. And I'm the genius who benched two for Kirk Cousins and Fantasy because the Vikings and the Chargers were going to score a million points. By the way, speaking of fantasy and betting, last week, One of the early overs was Chargers Vikings at 52. It went up to 54. Landed on 52. If you didn't get the first number, you lost.

So that's why you got a list of the pot on Mondays. Anyways, back to the Miami Dolphins browbeating Denver. Rob, I don't even think there's like a takeaway from this for the Broncos. I think you just got to chalk this up to, okay, we were at home against two inferior teams, and now we stepped up in class and, holy cow, we are not in that upper crust. Denver's 0 and 3 they're not making the playoffs it's done

I think now you've got to look forward how can you salvage the season is there any takeaways you can have from this bloodbath like I don't know Rob I don't know where Peyton goes from it like do you fire Vance Joseph Sam Howell and Washington

could not move the football against Buffalo and I think they hung 38 on Denver last week and I mean at some point Vance Joseph like dude this defense was supposed to be Ballyhooed with Patrick Certain. They got Randy Gregory. I mean, they can't stop a nosebleed right now. It's bad. I don't even know what the takeaway is from Denver. I guess the Miami takeaway

is that, like, they're really, really good. But the first bet that I made, first bet for week, what are we, week four. I took the bills at home, minus two and a half against Miami. I think people are going to be stunned at Buffalo's favored. I just want to remind you one thing, Rob, when Miami played out of division. They moved the ball at will against the Chargers and what you just saw the Denver thing. When they played the Patriots who were familiar, the Patriots were ready,

five and six defensive backs. Miami still won, but they held them in check. I think Miami scored, what, 24? I think Buffalo is going to have some stuff cooked up. My guess would be, this is a lower scoring game than people think. And I think Buffalo wins it, but we're way early on that.

70 to 20. Any sweeping takeaways? Just two. Well, first off, shout out to the Miami Dolphins. The only reason I was even competitive, you know, in my fantasy league,

because I ran into a couple of buzz sauce named Devante Adams and the Bill's defense on Sunday. So, you know, what are you going to do? But, no, I mean, they scored more points on Sunday, than 12 teams have combined through the first three weeks of the season.

They are unreal. And people were saying, I read the comments, ladies and gentlemen. I read the comments on YouTube when you had this take about them playing basketball on grass after week one. You're impressed you were. And I was like, oh, it's just the charger. It's just the, you know, one game. You're over here jumping to conclusions.

And it's like, no, we, you know, contrary to what you might think, Jason knows a thing or two about sports. And he knew after week one, like, look, this offense is legit. Tua as a trigger man in this system, especially, is deadly because he throws anticipation. He's very accurate. So kudos to them. I'm looking forward to Sunday. I agree with you against Buffalo. I would lean and under.

I don't know what the total is yet, but I would lean in under when you have that. I think 54 and it's been bet down a 53 and a half here. Yeah. So I would lean under because, you know, the familiarity with each other. And usually when you have two teams that are both upper echelon teams, it's almost like a feel-out process through the first quarter and a half. So I would lean under. On the flip side in Denver.

Who is Sean Payton going to blame now? Okay. Before the season, before the season, it was the previous coaching regime. It was Nathaniel Hackett. He did the worst job in the history of sports. That's why this team struggled. That's why this team sucked. Then after, I believe, week two last week, it was Russell Wilson.

And he was too slow getting the calls in. And we got to dumb down the playbook or dumb down the relay so he can get these calls. And he's going to have to wear a wristband like he's some kind of rookie quarterback. So it's Russell Wilson's fault. now after week three you know defense gives us 70 points well it must be vance joseph's fault because you know he didn't get the defense ready to play and everyone knows i wanted vick vangio and it just didn't really work out that way at some point the buck has to stop with the head coach and sean peyton which i've been trying to tell you guys since we started this podcast

is just mike mccarthy with a better PR staff that one season hanging out on the lot with you and Colin and Glad Hattning with all the execs over there at Fox did such a 180 on his reputation that people assumed that he was God's gift to coaching when if you just look at the numbers and you look at the wins and losses and the postseason he and Mike McCarthy are like the exact same guy the difference is is that he had a fun offense with Drew Brees at the controls but for some reason the record there was the exact same record as the one. one that everyone hated when Mike McCarthy was in Green Bay with Aaron Roger because it wasn't as pretty to watch.

It was Aaron Rogers doing Aaron Rogers things. Somehow, when you have all the flash and pizzazz of Sean McCarthy and the ho-hum, no motion, just beat your man offensive Mike McCarthy, they met and had the exact same record. Sean Payton, I believe he's still a good coach. I'm not going to say he's not a good coach. But at some point, you have to accept responsibility yourself. for what's going on.

His first words out of his mouth, instead of arguing with the reporters about how bad they looked was, that loss is on me. I didn't have my team ready to play. I need to have more of a hands-on approach on the defense, if that's what it takes. I need to have more of a hands-on approach

with the special teams, pick whatever he's got to say. Instead, it's defensive, it's snippy, and that's not what you would expect from a guy who's been around the block as long as he has. So I'm disappointed in Sean Payton today.

Question. is this well I was I was thinking there was some bad blood between these two McDaniel and Denver Peyton running his mouth but Rob is I hate to say this is Peyton potentially potentially turning into a maybe an urban Meyer in Jacksonville situation oh I mean that's the extreme version of it um I don't you remember yet you You might say he's on the same path, but I think Urban Meyer was so far down that path that they're not quite, you know,

in the same area code. They might be on the same freeway. I'll ask you this. Denver is in Chicago this week. Do you want to guess where the number is? Ew. Denver minus one. Winless teams.

Denver minus three and a half. Wow. Which I think speaks volumes about Chicago who looked. I mean, Rob, I don't know how much you watch for the game. I know the Taylor Swift, Travis Kelsey stuff was everywhere. And Walter Payton's son, weirdly, you know, Bears guy, I guess, was in the building and got a video of Taylor Swift leaving the locker room or leaving the facility with Kelsey. And that's, you know, going everywhere. But like, it's just, it's strange how the Bears could not move the football, literally move the football in the first half against the Chiefs starting defense.

They didn't do anything until it was like bench warmers in the final, I don't know, eight minutes or whatever. they can't move the football. And like this idea that, remember there was a video Friday of Justin Fields hugging the offensive coordinator, like, I don't know. Guys, it looks bad. Like, I don't know if Fields is totally broken and it's even repairable. I saw him run a couple times, which he looked fine. But otherwise, like, it was really bad. The Bears are a train wreck.

And I was way, listen, you own it when you're way wrong. And in the offseason, I thought the Bears had a shot. It's looking like Iber Fluse ain't the dude. Getzzi doesn't look like the guy. I think it's a total clean house. Now, remember, they have Carolina's pick and their own. Carolina lost to Seattle. I had Carolina like a, well, I didn't hate the pick in the contest.

Dalton, through the most passes of his career. I don't think anybody cares, but basically, Andy Dalton played his butt off. And when he's playing like that, you're like, why are they even playing Bryce Young? I mean, Dalton had more passes of 10 air yards in one game than Bryce Young had in the first two games combined. Like, it's just a bad scene for Bryce Young to not be able to do anything. And then Andy Dalton comes in and they're moving the ball up and down the field.

The defense is just two beat up and they got hurt. But the point is Carolina is 0 and 3. And the Bears are 0 and 3. and those two picks could both end up being top five next year. I mean, I think Fields, I don't know, Rob. If I say he's on the clock, that's probably, we're probably past that, right?

Oh, yeah, we're way past that at this point. Yeah, I don't think the new guy, whoever it is, I don't even think Iber Fluse is going to, like this looks like a three-win disaster. I mean, maybe they turn it around, but I think they've lost 13 games in a row dating back to last year. And oh, by the way, I totally forgot this. This is a good stat on Russell

Wilson and Denver. He is 4 and 14 straight up as a starter in Denver. That's staggering. I mean, Russell Wilson was incredible in Seattle. He was amazing. And I don't want to hear it was a Legion of Boomer, Pete Carroll. Russell Wilson always made place. He had Lockett and Metcalf.

But Rob, it's just staggering how far he's fallen. I don't know. Do we need to talk about the Jets, Rob, or no? I'll tell you what. It was Go, you know what? Instead of me sounding off, just because I'm probably going to get angry

and start dropping F bombs, I'm calling up the numbers here. 11 yards in the first quarter. They had 60 yards of offense heading into the fourth. The Jets were outgained in the first half, 216 to 39. At one point, Keenan Allen, of the Chargers,

had more passing yards than Zach Wilson. And this was deep into the third. third quarter. And still, despite all that ineptitude, Rob, the Jets and Zach Wilson had three chances in the final like four minutes to tie or take the lead. And it didn't happen. So I'll give it to you first because I don't know. I don't want to get too angry.

Look, unfortunately for you and the rest of the Jets faithful and folks like me who picked them to make the playoffs because I thought Aaron Rogers going to be there. Oh, geez. Well, yeah, I don't get that count. But they have a Zach Wilson problem. It's nothing new. It's not earth-shattering. And I don't think anyone's going to be like, oh, wow, that's a profound take.

No, like, it's pretty obvious. And they've had a Zach Wilson problem now for over a year. They addressed it last season. They benched him for Mike White, was it Chris Treveller, and I believe Joe Flacco. none of those well I think Mike White may be a backup but I think the other two guys might be out of the NFL

completely he threw a touchdown pass shout out to Mike White in the 70 look the other two guys I believe are out of the NFL and they knew then that they have a better chance to win

with a washed up flacko a never has been with or never will be with Chris Dreveller and at best a career backup in Mike White they knew that

They had a better chance to win with those three guys than Zach Wilson. And they decided for whatever reason, even after they got Aaron Rogers, that rather than cutting ties with Zach Wilson and just getting a serviceable career backup or a veteran backup, hell, bringing back Joe Flacko, whatever, get Andy Dalton in here. It doesn't matter. They said we are going to try to salvage Zach Wilson under the guys that have a year sitting behind. Aaron Rogers are two years. He's going to regain his mojo and he's going to be the guy we thought he was. That ship has sailed.

And it sailed last season. They should have realized it then and cut their losses. He is not an NFL quarterback. He's not a starter. He is not a backup. He should not be on an NFL roster, point blank, period. And the longer that Robert Salah, who said on Sunday, after the loss, he's still our guy. We have faith in Zach Wilson.

Justina Anderson pressured him about it afterwards and says, why are you so confident in him? Like, well, what is it that makes you think that he's the guy? And he says, he gives us the best chance to win. The longer you keep the charade going, the more you're going to eventually lose that locker room. Guys like Sauce Gardner, Garrett Wilson, Michael Carter, you saw them blowing up on the sidelines already in frustration.

Maybe not directed at Zach Wilson in general, but they're frustrated. The longer this charade, continues, the more likely it is that Robert Solid loses his job at the end of the season. I mean, I'm glad you went on that. So I don't have to cover any of the ground. I agree with everything. After Rogers got hurt, I don't know if it was the next day or two days later, but we did talk about Kirk Cousins on this podcast.

And a lot of, so it's weird, Rob, Viking fans are saying, why are we giving you cousins? What are you talking about? We're still in the mix. We got a chance. Maybe. They got Carolina this week. I came close to bet in the Vikings, but I'm not ready to. By the way, Vikings last year, 11 and 0 in close games in the regular season.

This year, oh and three. Funny how that works out. Yeah, very funny. Kirk Cousins to the Jets is not going to work, Jason, because he's going to have to get up to speed with the offense, and it's going to take a while. Okay, maybe. Sure.

Kirk Couss is a pro. He's also looking for a big payday. Like, if the GM has not called. called the Vikings about cousins at this point, they're just, they're not, they're not doing their job. That's just, I think that's obvious. I don't want to hear this nonsense that, hey, Carson Wentz called us and Matt Ryan called us.

F those guys. You don't want that garbage in there. What are they going to do? Oh, Jason, Kirk Couss isn't mobile. I'm fully aware of that. I know. Get a mobile quarterback. We're aware.

What are you just going to find a mobile quarterback? Is they just out there on the streets? Yeah, let's bring in that guy. He, um, you know, He ran the wing tea in Oklahoma. Let's bring him in. Like, that doesn't exist. You can't do that.

It's not a, like, viable plan. At one point in the third quarter, I was ready for the Jets to go Wildcat, Rob. Just snap it to Breeze Hall, snap it to Dalvin Cook. That's our best bet, but they couldn't block Barmore. Mackay Bechtin, of course, got just steamrolled, left on an island one-on-on-one. How are we leaving? See, now I'm going two in the weeds, but how are we leaving Mackay Bechtin one-on against Judon from our own three-yard line?

We did the same thing with Michael Parsons. And, oh, by the way, Dwayne Brown, repeatedly by himself against Parsons, ends up getting hurt. He's questionable. He's questionable. He's questionable. Oh, he's going on IR. And it's like, come on.

We know what they're trying to do. They're trying to trade for a left tackle. Oh, our guy's not that hurt. We'll just give you peanuts. Oh, no, he's hurt. He's on IR. We're effed. Like, I don't know.

I guess the more interesting question, Rob. Do you think Rogers could have had success behind what's going on with the offensive line now or no? maybe not to the extent that I thought that they could have, but even some of the mistakes that they're making are not just the offensive line. Like that was a big talking point. I want to get sidetracked, but like on Saturday with the Colorado Oregon game,

the broadcast kept saying, well, man, that offensive line's really getting worked. I'm not saying that they were doing a great job, but the back end is what was really slowing it down because the book on Chadour Sanders right now is that he is a slow. going through his progressions.

That he's deadly accurate. He throws a good ball. But right now he doesn't get all the way across the field as quickly as you would like. It's why he gets sacked so often because he takes a beat longer than you would expect of a guy of his caliber to get rid of the ball. And Zach Wilson has that same problem. He doesn't trust what he sees. And then when he does, he, you know, reads the question wrong or whatever it is. Like he throws into coverage.

He makes bad decisions. There was a play on, and I think it was fourth. and 10 late in the game, he throws a one, a pass, one yard past the line of scrimmage. Yeah. Like, that is quarterback 101, and those mistakes are not going to get made by Aaron Rogers. Right. So, yeah. I would agree.

He's seen every zone. Like, you could throw a zone at Zach Wilson, and he needs to study it, and the offensive line can't hold up. Rogers, he's seen everything. He's seen everything you want to throw at him. I think he could have, he would have obviously done better. I don't know how much better, but I think they would be at least more competitive. Even though they had a chance, they were not competitive.

But it's interesting. It's like you say, you know, reading the zones and like, so my son, I told you about the chess tournament. And it's weird because when he plays, he's able to read the board and what guys are doing. And what's coming next? And like, I'm looking at it. And when I'm on a basketball court, I can read passes. I know what's happening. But on the chess board, it's a totally different read.

and I'm like, oh, Bryce, you should have done that. He's like, Dad, but then you're hanging this and that, and I'm like, oh, damn, I did not see that. And, like, that's the thing. Like, Zach Wilson, you just can't read zones, you know? It's extremely disappointing. The season hinges on if they get Kirk Cousins, and if it doesn't, like, they will spiral.

And I know people are going to say, you can't fire Sala. Oh, really? When there are a four or five-win team, and there's a mutiny in the locker room and it's a disaster, and, like, you're not going to fire the coach? GM is toast. I don't know, guys. It's disappointing.

I'm done talking about these bums. What do we want to wrap up with, Rob? Any other games jump out of you? I know you were hot for the Notre Dame Ohio State game. Well, the ones of, yeah. I guess I'm going to lump that in with two other things because I think the theme of the weekend overall, if I could put a big picture conversation together,

is that there was some absolutely horrendous coaching going on in the football world over the weekend. it got started on Saturday night with Marcus Freeman the head coach of Notre Dame well okay he's coaching fine up until the very last was it 15 seconds of the game

was I think it's first in goal or second in goal from the one yard line calls a timeout to get his guys ready Ohio State has no timeouts he sends his defense back out there with 10 players Ohio State left the but he'll hold on hold on right okay I there's a good point

so they only had 10 guys, but it's not like he tells the guys to go out. You have your package, you put it out there, right? That's the job of a coach. Somebody just forgot. And then... To what? Count and make sure the defensive...

I'm glad you said that, because here's the follow. Here's the response. They ask him about it in the post game. They said, hey, on the second, the last two plays, you only had 10 players. The first time, Ohio State lets you off the hook, they throw a fade row, it goes incomplete. He says, I know we had 10 players for the last.

last play, but I didn't want to get a penalty by running a guy out there late. So he'd rather play the final snap with 10 defenders against 11 on the decisive snap, then risk a penalty and advance the ball 10 inches. To the one inch. Well, let me ask, what, did they have a time out or no? I guess they were out. So they were done. So he knew and then didn't.

So that was one. So the penalty would have given them more time to think, but I'm sure they saw that hole. Exactly. Somebody in the box. So that's one. So that's what we started with. I feel bad.

I felt bad. They had that game. That was a great game, by the way. That was a great game. It was an awesome game. By the way, Ryan Day got lucky. We know this. Because if they lose,

he's getting destroyed for that end around on fourth and one, like the 10 yard line. Who, no, just jet sweep on fourth and one? Like, what on earth is that? That's like a slow developing play, even with the fast guy. I don't know. Ohio State did not totally deserve that game. But anyway, so that was play number one. Play number two in the aforementioned Chargers Vikings game. Oh, dear.

Brandon Staley, who should have been fired last season after that 27 point, you know, blowing 27 point lead against Jacksonville in the playoffs, decides I'm going to go for it with a four point lead in the last two minutes of the game from my own 25-yard line. Of course they get stopped. And thankfully for him, Kirk Cousins ends up having a tip drill interception in the end zone that seals the win for the Chargers. Very lucky.

Do not let the results of the game distract you from the fact that Brandon Staley should still be fired here coming up Monday at whatever, 10 a.m. Whatever time we listen to this podcast, September 25th. All right. He made what I thought at the time was the worst coaching decision that I've ever seen in my adult years watching. NFL football. They cut away after the game because it was in between the Vikings Chargers and the Bears Chiefs game. They'd go to the NFL on Fox Desk.

And you know these guys, for the most part, they don't want to bash other coaches. They don't want to bash quarterbacks. They try to be very middle of the road because they're all part of the same fraternity, most of these guys. And right off the bat, Jimmy John's take, Jimmy Johnson takes an axe to him, Michael Strahan takes an axe to him. I believe Tony Gonzalez I don't know if he's on

no it wasn't him it was Howie Long says something about him so three guys who don't want to really say anything that harsh about any else in the football community say that was the worst decision I've ever seen in the history of football I think Belichick has done some some coaches have done that I know Belichick has a ton of rings

he can do whatever he wants so Rob let me ask you was it just the fact that he went or the play call, which was like a Josh Kelly dive up the middle. Both. I mean, Justin Herbert was dealing. He was like 40 of 47 for like 470 yards or something insane. Like Keenan Allen is just getting open left and right.

Like I think he had 18 catches or 20 times. He was ridiculous. I faced him in two fantasy league. So I know. But like he, who was he cooked? I think he cooked Byron Murphy, the former Cardinals quarterback. And then Murphy had like, oh, I got a hamstring. I got, I got to go, man.

And he's just like tapped out. I mean, Alan was unbelievable. I think they lost Derwin James to injury. They lost Mike Williams to injury. And it's possible that Staley was like, I don't want to leave the game in the hands of my defense. I don't trust them to get a stoplight, which is weird for a defensive guy.

But then his defense did come up big. I like the kid Murray. I don't think their defense is good, but man, he plays hard. That dude is a heat-seeking missile. He's everywhere. I'm just happy the Chargers got the win. And Rob, I'm telling you,

I know this isn't going to be popular. Two is on top of the world right now. He's an MVP candidate for sure. His favorite, I think. Mahomes is amazing. I just think when I watch Herbert fling the ball around from the mechanics, the arm strength, tight windows, the guy is a cyborg. He looks like, if I, if you can dream up, this is what I want my quarterback to me, this is what I want for the Jets, I would want Justin Herbert. And I know Patrick Mahomes is a better quarterback. He's also got Andy Reid, and Mahomes has MVP's, but when you just look at the skill set Herbert has Rob, I mean, he runs like a gazelle when he wants to.

He's just incredible. I don't know how much of that game you watched, but I'm just telling you, man, that guy is special. Like, I don't know that he's going to be like a marino who gets to maybe one Super Bowl, that's it, or Peyton Manning where he loses like five playoff games to start his career or whatever. But I'm just telling you, right now, Herbert, man, that dude, he's got everything. There isn't a throw he cannot make.

He's unbelievable. I'm sorry. I'm just in awe of him. And when you say Tua has McDaniel and Mahomes has Reed, he's got Kellynmore. You know? I like Kellammore. I like him. A couple questionable calls, as there are always, especially when it's close.

Listen, we did have a good day gambling on the pod. We talked about the Browns. That defense is filthy. Browns, who is it next week? Browns Ravens is good next week. Do we talk about, oh, I don't want to talk about the Jags with. That's, that's probably my worst call the season. Colts Ravens.

We talked about Colts getting a lot of points. I didn't think they'd win outright. Holy cow, that was crazy. And I guess that's pretty much every game. Oh, should we quickly talk about Sam Howell? Rob, one of the things I like to do in gambling is, remember, nobody's as good as they or as bad as they were the week prior. So week one, I thought Sam Halel was going to be great.

I thought Washington was going to be great. They were total dog shit. and they still win. Second game. Sam Howell is down 21-3. Amazing comeback. And now Sam Howell, hey, this guy looks like a player. And I don't want to bang on Cowherd,

but he had watched it in like his top 10 teams last week. I was like, what are you doing? Stop. Sam Howell, come on. Sam Howell had four picks in this game. He was so bad. I mean, Rob, I don't know how much you watched. Q in the first half, pick six,

Red Zone turnover on downs, Washington one for nine on third. By the way, bills, nine sacks. Everybody wants to write off Buffalo for that week one loss to the Jets, and it was bad, but the Jets have their number, divisional matchup. Buffalo eviscerated your waiters, and then Buffalo pounded Washington. I mean, I was facing the Bills in fantasy.

It's like they got like 37 points. Rob, Bill's top five team, yes, no? Yeah. The problem is that, You know, when they face another good team, Josh Allen is going to turn the ball over, you know, at least once, and that's probably going to be the difference. But yes, I would say they're a top five team.

Do you want to touch on Steelers Raiders before we get to Monday night football? Well, that was going to be the trifecta of my three worst coaching, you know, decisions of the weekend. Oh, what was the third one? Josh McDaniels, down eight, about two, 15 to go, fourth and four inside the 10, decides to kick the field goal. I mean, I'm not a math major, but even if you make the field goal, I believe you still need a touchdown after that. And he was like, well, I'm leaning on my defense. You know, we had the two-minute warning and the timeouts.

I thought we'd be able to get the ball back. Yeah, I don't know how long you've been following the Raiders there, Josh. I know you're their coach for the last year and a half. Defense isn't exactly our forte. So to lean on the defense may have been, you know, a poor decision. but look, I've been, I hated the Josh McDaniels hire when it was made. We talked about on this pod. Everyone who's listened to the pod for that long, I've hated it.

The only success he's ever had in the NFL is when he's been cheating as a head coach. So, you know, it's all bad. So he was the third of the trio of really poor coaching decisions. Would you have respected McDaniels more? I'm bearing this late in the podcast. If he had said, yeah, I kicked a field goal. We want to give the ball to Kenny Pickett. Did you see that guy?

You see Kenny Pickett peeing down his leg there in the huddle? He doesn't know what he's doing. He's terrified. This place is juiced up and loud. Pickett's going to make a mistake. I'm not worried. Like if he had said that, would you have respected. Yeah, I probably would.

I probably would. I would have too. Because honestly, Steelers got the ball back. And I'm like, Matt, Canada, and Pickett, how are they going to screw this up? And then they just had the perfect play called a little rollout to Alan Robinson. And Alan Robinson citing on the conversion. T.J. Watts, a bad boy.

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Prime time. Jake Browning, a full week of work. By the way, I think Browning's college coach was Chris Peterson, and he was at the herd on Thursday or Friday. And, you know, they're talking to him. And Cowherts like, well, Jake Browning, what about? Apparently, like, he doesn't have much of an arm. I'll just say that to be nice.

So I wouldn't expect any deep balls from Jake Browning. I think he's going to keep everything just a little short, tight routes, a lot of yak yards, wide receiver screens. If the Rams defense has a clue, they'll be hugging up the line of scrimmage, right? Because Browning does not have the arm. We'll see. I'm not betting this game. Oh, no, wait.

I think I did bet. Oh, my gosh. Did I? Yeah, I don't remember. I'll have to check the account. But I did, I do have the other game. Bucks, Eagles, four and a half. Rob, in Tampa.

Rematch of the last time Jalen Hertz really got the crap beat out of him. Can Tampa hang here? or does Baker-Mayfield wilt in the Monday night spotlight? I think this game is close into the fourth quarter, but I think ultimately the Eagles win and cover the spread. I need Tampa Bay in the contest to wrap up a three and two. I don't feel great about it. I don't know.

I just, I bet these dogs with fleas and yes, Tampa is one. You shouldn't get in front of the Eagles train, but they are kind of beat up. my computer is slow as hell right now. Rob, is there any way you can tell me who the Eagles play next? Because I think it's a divisional matchup. And that partially played into my, I don't know if it was that. Or the Eagles injury report, which is pretty bad.

Well, that they haven't really, you know, I know that they want their first two games, but they haven't looked super impressive. So maybe that could be another reason. But I'm pulling up their schedule right now. After this game, it's home against Washington, at the Rams, at the Jets, home against Miami. No, why shouldn't beat them last year on that?

I think it was Thursday at football. Okay, I did, this is the problem with wagering. I bet the Rams plus three on Friday. And if you ask me who's going to win, I think the Bengals will win. So not fun. But I have an over 44.5 on Eagles bucks. It's a juiced 44.5. And then I got the bucks in the contest.

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