The Herd with Colin Cowherd - Taysom Hill, Cowboys, systems, documentaries

Episode Date: May 21, 2020

Colin talks about Taysom Hill eventually replacing Drew Brees, the Dallas Cowboys making the same mistakes, Dak Prescott's accuracy, why systems need to evolve, and why you couldn’t do a 10 part documentary on Tiger Woods. Guests include Shams Charania, Albert Breer, Bruce Feldman, and Cameron Jordan. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, here we are. It is Los Angeles. This is the herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. We're on IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio. We'll be on FS1 in 15 minutes. First 10 minutes we're on FS2. It's a NASCAR bump thing, and Joy Taylor is joining me.

Joy, I have to start the show with this. I'm driving to work. I wake up this morning after another terrifying nightmare. Yeah, it's on Twitter. you had some bad dreams. I just thought about this. I have never in my life gone to bed and had a dream that ends well.

I'm not, now, I'm either running from pirates, getting swallowed whole by snakes, I'm falling off a cliff, my teeth fall out, I'm being attacked by strangers. I have never once had a dream. Or like I get a knock at the door, knock, knock, knock,

hi, I'm your neighbor, I just made you some chili con carne. Really? Yeah, just enjoy it. And it was delicious. You've never had a good dream. I've never had a dream that ended well with a with like again somebody walks up to me and says I went to Home Depot they had wrenches on sale here's a wrench random guy not one time ever had a good dream I've had I've had dreams I don't remember I've had but I've never had a dream end well have you yeah I've had good dreams before really it's happy rainbows you land safely long you know cross the world global flight sure really everything to me is I mean most dreams are like

weird or bad dreams. But yeah, I've had good dreams before. I am exhausted last night. Yeah, I should. Maybe some meditation or something. It's just exhausting. Something you're eating before bed. I mean, it's like I am, I am, what was that guy that was, Indiana Jones.

I'm Indiana Jones every dream. I'm running from people, running from giant boulders. The teeth falling out thing seems stressful. That would stress me out. Okay. I'm just tired. All right, but I've got the energy for the, show today. And here's the show. Jay Glazer reports yesterday. He's got inside sources and stuff

that Taysam Hill will be the guy after Drew Brees. It's official. He's going to be the starting quarterback. Let Teddy Bridgewater go. Taysam Hill is the guy. For me, I've grown up watching football. He doesn't look like a franchise quarterback. He's really athletic. And five years ago, I would have said, no. But I was thinking about this this morning. The world's changed. If you would have told me 10 years ago. Hey, listen, you're going to just get into strangers' cars and they're going to take you places. What? Yeah, and sometimes they'll go to restaurants, grab food and bring it home.

Who? Friends? No, strangers. Total strangers. I don't know them. Nope. It's going to be called Uber. In fact, you'll let your teenage daughter jump into a car and go to a friend's house. You know, as long as she's with a friend. My teenagers? Yeah, they'll just get into a stranger's car. And that's the reality. That's a real economy. It's changed transportation in America. It literally has changed transportation.

DUIs have gone down because of Uber. Parking garages are dying because of Uber. Kids don't want to drive cars anymore because of Uber. If I'd have told you five years ago, maybe three, Joe Rogan will sign a contract and make more money doing a podcast than 99% of all radio people make annually, except Rush Limbaugh. I mean, someday I could just stay home.

No makeup. No long drive. Makes a radio guy think. Joe Rogan now makes more than all the radio people just doing a podcast in his underwear at home. Never has to leave. Hang out with his kids. Kids give me two hours ago to do a podcast. That's the reality.

People are getting rich, rich because they have a nice podcast. Joe does a great job. I thought I told you seven years ago. Yeah, people, they're just going to release movies to your house. What about the theater? Oh, nobody goes to the theater anymore. I thought I told you that six years ago. Five years ago.

73% of people now say they prefer watching movies at home. They don't want to go to the theater. Maybe it's safety? Who knows? You ever gone to a theater, sat in those seats and thought, if somebody walked in here, there's only one exit I have. I'm sure others have. But that's the reality is people would rather not pay $13 for a popcorn

and $22 and then sit into an area where there's no real emergency exit you think you could get to. These are all true now, and they weren't five and six years ago. In 2020, I look at Taysam Hill and I think, Sean Payton's his coach, got a great GM. You know, Brady and Matt Ryan and Teddy Bridgewater in his division, one of those guys is going to be out of football soon. I think he's a gadget guy, but the world's changed. Why not? Why not? The winners in life adapt.

The losers going forward are stubborn and rigid. Maybe this is the future of the NFL. You get your best athlete. Taysam Hill is an unbelievable athlete. I mean, he can catch, he can run, he can block. You just put your best athlete at quarterback and you figure it out later. By the way, there's Tassum Hills all over the country in high school right now. They're not as good a thrower as another kid on the roster,

but they just make more plays and the coach designs an offense. And, I mean, Lamar Jackson, I watched him and I thought, boy, he's a project. I think it's going to work. I said it on the show, but a year later, he's the MVP. There are Taysam Hills all over high school football. Increasingly, you're seeing a few in college. I never even thought Jalen Hertz four years ago was an NFL prospect. I'm serious.

I looked at him and I thought that he's a good college player. He got drafted in the second round, and my takeaway is he'll play this year. So now, there are questions about him. Nick Wright this morning, first thing first, brings up a couple of interesting points. I am doubting everyone within the Saints that thinks this is viable or a plausible option. Some facts about Taysam Hill. When the next NFL season starts, he'll be 30 years old. He will go into his age 30 season with his career high for past completions in a game being at one. He's literally never completed more than one pass in any game, and he's only completed

seven passes, including the playoffs in his career. So let me address the age thing. 30 is the new 26. Nutritional standards, trainers. I mean, I'm 55. I can run a 615 mile. Why, I eat better. I work out.

There's better machines to work out on. There's better trainers out there. We're all younger. People look younger. People are more active. People are moving around. Vegan is not just a come and go thing. It's a here-to-stay thing.

People eat longer, they live longer, they look better. If you're willing, not everybody, we have 36% obesity, but if you're willing to embrace good eating, you're going to live longer. Tom Brady, I swear to God, he's got a medicine somewhere. He looks younger now that he did seven years ago. We joke about it. He looks younger today. Why he's married to a supermodel. They probably have great skincare products.

They eat really well. It's the reality of it. They stay mostly out of the sun or he didn't easier to do in Boston than Tampa. Let me talk about the passes thing. Well, he's got no passes. Yeah, either did Lamar Jackson when he won a bunch of games and got to the playoffs. No rookie quarterbacks have passes in the NFL until they get into the NFL. I know Taysam Hill can pass because Sean Patent is coach, and Sean Peyton likes him,

and he sees him pass in practice. I don't need a guy to have a bunch of passes. How many passes did Jimmy Garoppolo have in the NFL before he made $25 million a year? Josh Allen didn't have any passes in the NFL either. Last year, he got to the playoffs. Year before that, I watched him at Wyoming. He looked awful. I saw him play Iowa and Oregon.

He looked awful. Year later, he's throwing passes in the NFL. Yeah, I mean, so, you know, my takeaway is, Lamar Jackson came into this league with passing questions. He's the MVP. I just look at the world today, and I'm like, I don't say no to anything. I just don't say no to anything.

I am open for business. I have no idea what's happening. I mean, when I first started in this business, and not to date myself, but I used to get, I was on AM radio, and Joey knows this. So every month you waited for the ratings from AM radio. And then sports radio went to FM.

So I was on AM and FM. Ooh. And then it was serious XM. Ooh, it got three platforms to crush. And then they started doing simulcasts. And then there's this thing called digital. and then there's podcasting. And then now we have a YouTube channel.

And last year I got 330 million views on Facebook. I now have a sheet with nine different platforms I'm on. And we can monetize all of them. Some way better than others. That's my world. It's just platform developed. Platform dies. Platform develops.

Platform dies. New York Times used to read it. Right? You'll hold the ink in your hands. Now they make all their money on digital. You read it online. I read the New York Times in the Wall Street Journal. I read them online.

Why would I want the newspaper in my house? I've told the story before. I used to read news. I was a newspaper guy. I just read them all day long. I loved newspapers. I lived in Portland, Oregon. And all of a sudden, one day, it was an ice storm.

And I went out to look for my newspaper. And I'm like, I couldn't find the newspaper. You know how somebody would throw it out of their car? And I look out. Oh, it's in the bush. And it was stuck in a bush. in an ice storm. And I went over and I got scissors and I slipped and almost jabed my eye out and I cut it out. And that day I said, I'm not going to subscribe to a newspaper. It was the Oregonian. It was a fine newspaper. Still is.

And I said, I'm just done with it. I just can read stuff online. And so Taysam Hill, I look at it and I think five years ago, I'm not even sure he's on the roster. And today I'm like, Sean Payton likes him. The hell do I know? 30 is the new 26. They say he's the best. athlete on the team. He can do everything. It probably works. All right, good to have you in. We're going to go over to FS1, I'm told, in three or four minutes.

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So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Because of professional athletes in the NBA make more money on shoes than their contracts. Michael Jordan's made a thousand times more money on his shoes than his contracts. And I would do the same thing. it's a branding war. It's Coke versus Pepsi. Jordan and LeBron is Coke versus Pepsi. They're both incredibly aware of each other's brand going forward. Because as Jordan has proved, it pays you 20 years after you retire. So I don't think it's a coincidence that once the Jordan documentary started,

LeBron had opinions on it. Hey, hey, hey, I'm watching it too. The minute it ended, LeBron went out with four or five big, strong opinions. my dream team would have beaten his team, my redeemed team would have beaten his dream team. I would have been a great teammate of Michael Jordan. I don't think it's a coincidence. I read this story a couple days ago that LeBron just happened to talk about. Just all the years LeBron's been playing, story just happened to come out that LeBron in 2011 was offered a cowboy contract.

So funny, that never came out until the Jordan documentary talking about his baseball career. Folks, I was born at night, not last night. What's the old saying? Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining. You think LeBron just buried this story for nine years? It comes out after the Jordan documentary. LeBron is very calculated and very smart, and I know his handlers and so are they.

By the way, the only reason MJ did this doc, he agreed to it the day LeBron was hoisting the trophy in a Cleveland Cavalier person. parade in Ohio. That's why I think the last dance will now face the last chance. This is LeBron's last year to win it. The salary cap is going down because of revenues dropping. It's a bad free agency class this year and there's no money for it and the Lakers have shown no interest paying a big luxury tax. It is not a good draft. There's no help on the horizon. Anthony Davis isn't even going to make nearly as much as he thought. This is an old roster.

The Clippers are a young roster and they're young and old, and the clippers are getting better and better and better. The Clippers are only going to get better over time because they have all these young players and all these moving parts. The Lakers are an old roster. This is their last shot. That's why this year is so important. We talk last dance. This is last chance. This is just a branding war.

This is not like the NFL. There is no. Tom Brady's revenue on his brand is peanuts. Peanuts compared to the seventh best NBA shoe deal. Hardin, Westbrook, whatever it is. Michael Jordan is making $145 million a year, 20 years after he played. LeBron James will make not that much, but hundreds of millions of dollars, 10 years after he's played. This is why it's so important to keep your name relevant, to make sure you stay in a slot.

Nobody will ever surpass Jordan, but Jordan felt a little heat when LeBron won in Cleveland, and Jordan's like, okay, I'll do the documentary. And Jordan feeling, my LeBron feeling a little heat when LeBron's the most talked about because of a pandemic and there's no games and six million people are watching it. And he's like, you know, I was offered a contract by the Cowboys. None of this stuff is a coincidence. It's a branding war. It's Coke versus Pepsi just with faces we know, not big monolithic brands.

I'm here for it, by the way. I want to see the NBA. I think we'll get the NBA across my fingers. And I think the Lakers have a shot to win it, although I'll take the Clippers, first, Lakers, second, bucks, third, Celtics. Fourth, here's Joy with the News. No, no, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the Herd Line News. Well, the relationship between Aaron Rogers and Matt LaFleur is one that we're going to watch this season. And Packers writer Pete Doherty said that LaFleur went to great lengths to establish a good relationship with his quarterback last season. He did. But Rogers' unhappiness with the Jordan love pick could cause a rip between the two of them.

Doherty says to watch for either Rogers to have a big year to prove that he's still the guy or for the relationship to deteriorate and drive Rogers' departure from Green Bay. He pointed to Brady's improved performance after the Patriots drafted Jimmy Garapolo to, you know, one day take his place as an example of how Rogers could react to this situation. Well, you know, I still contend it was okay to pick Jordan Love, but you had to go get a receiver with the second pick, not reach for a running back. Nobody probably would have drafted in the second.

If you went up to Aaron the next day and say, listen, we've got to protect our franchise. This guy's you. But we went and got your receiver, a center, guards, a blocking tight end to make sure you could, the Packers did a lousy job of selling the message. I said this with the NCAA all the time. They let guys like Jay Billis control the message. Nothing against Jay. You got to control the message.

The Packers by drafting a running back, now you're like, okay, we reached in a running back. We never got a receiver. We got your replacement. What's the messaging to him? So I'm fascinated. I think they're going to be, I think it'll work because Aaron will, if not make it work, it'll work to some level because he's so talented. But it's a real story.

I do think he's going to have a big year. I could see him, you know, stepping up and. You know, he has that kind of attitude to want to do that, which I guess is a good thing. But my issue with the Jordan Love pick is that it really, we're drawing the comparison of the Brett Farr of Aaron Rogers situation because it's Green Bay and it involves Aaron Rogers. But it's really not the same scenario.

And they trade it up in the first round to get Jordan Love. That's an immediate thing to do for someone who you're saying is not going to immediately play. So while I understand having to protect your franchise, don't you feel like Aaron Rogers is strong enough to continue like this level of play or better for at least the next two years, probably three? Or you're saying that you think Jordan Love is really... Like is Jordan Love that talented?

Yeah, right. Like you had to trade up this year to do that. I mean, listen, you can watch this tape, 64, 220, huge arm, athletic. You can make the argument. This was Mahomes that you, you know, everybody was kind of like, God, they moved up for Patrick Mahomes.

He didn't have a winning record in college, but they said it, look at his body, look at his dad, look at his arm, he's a little loose. I mean, the knock on Mahomes was, doesn't win enough in college and he's loose. The knocks on Jordan Love is, you know, he doesn't win enough in college, and he was kind of not only loose physically, but, you know, he got caught smoking pot. He's a little loose. He very well, maybe, but when they drafted Aaron Rogers, they lost in the wild card game. Right?

Right. The Greenway Packers were in the NFC championship game last year. But humiliated. They were 13 and 3. They were humiliated because they played an incredible team. They played a better team in San Francisco 49ers. So wouldn't you want to improve on the team that made it to the NFC championship game this year? No.

You're losing the wildcard game. Okay. All right. You know, things might be starting to slip. Make it's the NFC championship game. There's four teams left. Packers were one of them. It's funny.

I watch all the people grade the draft for the Packers and they got low grades. And my takeaway is it's not Jordan Love. It's after. When you watch. Green Bay play outside of Devante Adams. Do you see a ton of playmakers in either side of the ball? You see good football players. Right. But God, you watch, you know,

you start watching some of these other teams in the NFL. You just see, you mean, San Francisco, George Kittle, the bosses. It's like, when you reach on a running back from Boston College in the second round, that ain't beaten the 49ers. You got to scare them a little.

That's my point. That's my point. That, to me, that crushed their draft. If they went and got, you know, who was the wide receiver in the second round? One of these great wide receivers. There's a million of them. I think we'd all look today and go, I like them. Yeah, that makes sense.

I don't have a problem with them taking Jordan Love. I have a problem with how they took Jordan Love. Yeah, they moved up. So LeBron James said this week that he started training to play football during the 2011 NBA lockout and he even got a contract offer from Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. But former Dallas linebacker, DeMarcus Ware, thinks he would have. had some trouble blocking if he became a tight end in the league. Thank you.

If LeBron had been a tight end and many thought he would, could LeBron have blocked you off the edge, DeMarcus? No way in hell. O'Brien would block me. But I think that he would have made a really, really good tight end, especially just his athleticism. He would have been crushing it, man, getting a lot of touchdown. Well, by the way, we had LeBron.

It's called Jimmy Graham, who's not as good as LeBron, but Jimmy Graham worked in one system and even Russell Wilson, who makes everybody great. Aaron Rogers and Russell Wilson couldn't work with Jimmy Graham. Okay, time out. Russell makes everybody great. In Sean Payton's system, he worked. LeBron wouldn't block anybody. You got a block in the NFL at Tide-in. He doesn't want to get hit in the ribs.

I mean, I don't necessarily want to draw the Jimmy Graham comparison too much because Jimmy Graham has had a very good career. In one spot, he had four great years. Okay. I mean, so we're assuming that LeBron would have played no college football and come in and Ben Jimmy Graham. I mean, I think that's a little disrespectful to Jimmy Graham. Well, Jimmy's six, seven. I mean, he's an NBA. He's an NBA body.

Right. But LeBron is an NBA player. There's a certain callous to being, to even playing college football. That's the thing that everyone's missing. Like, this is a super fun scenario to play out. out and it's fun to talk about. But we're assuming that LeBron, it's not the same thing as MJ going, playing baseball in high school to then playing basketball and going back to baseball. Baseball is very hard technically to play, obviously. It's a very skilled sport. But there's not as much

physical callous that you need to be ready to play baseball. The NFL, you have those years in college for a reason. You grow into your man body. You learn how to take hits. You learn how to properly tackle, block, et cetera. LeBron skipped that process. So if we're having a lot of like a real conversation about this, that's the issue. That's what DeMarcus is talking about. There's no way. That's a very difficult thing to do. Do you want to line up across?

No, I, I, I, I, I, just because you dominated five, eight cornerbacks in Ohio. Yeah, I don't, I don't, like high school's great. Lots of people crushed it in high school. I know. Check tape, bro. But what's the next level? I'm not even sure. I think LeBron would have gone to college and had to line up across from Nick Bosa and said,

I don't want to block this guy. Well, that's what I'm saying. And that's not described to LeBron. It's a different sport. LeBron's the biggest, strongest guy in the NBA. Find me videos of him dunking over equal-sized players. He doesn't like contact like that. He likes to dominate small guards and shoot threes.

Even if he did like contact in the NBA, the guy's standing there. And the NFL, he's running towards you. You're running towards each other. And colliding and hitting you and hurting you. Right. Full speed. Finally, most people have LeBron battling Michael Jordan for goat status in the NBA. But Paul Pierce waited on it yesterday and said LeBron does not crack the top five. Oh, God.

His list of the five greatest NBA players of all time are Jordan, Kareem, Bill Russell, Magic Johnson, and Kobe. It's a great list. I think LeBron's, yes. Yeah, I know I'm knocking the list, but he's better than Bill Russell. Bill Russell couldn't handle the ball or shoot. I mean, I'm sorry, but that matters. Well, I feel like there's, like a little bit of bias coming from Paul Pearson in this situation. A little bitterness.

Bron did not come out of the playoffs in 2011 and 12 and 14. I mean, come on. That's like. The cabs did ruin it. There's ceremony. Certain things I'm not going to debate. LeBron's top five. He's the top five, yes.

If you did a starting five all time in the NBA, magic's your point, your two guard is Michael. Nobody disputes that. You can argue centers. You probably go Kareem. And then LeBron's your small forward. And then you figure out, I would put bird because I think you need a shooter because I don't think Michael's a three shooter. Magic's not.

LeBron's okay. Kareem's not. You need a three ball shooter. So you need, otherwise, you know, it just like clog the paint. So you'd put Larry Bird in because he could shoot three. I will say, though, we do have to have, we should have more of the conversation about Kobe in the top five. I think Kobe kind of runs into it because we always compare him to Michael.

And Michael's your two guard. And Michael's your two guard. Kobe's your two guard on the second best team with Isaiah. Isaiah Kobe or Stockton Kobe. Probably Isaiah Kobe is your second back court. I just don't mind Kobe being in the top five. Like I'm okay with that conversation. But LeBron also has to be in there. Yeah, that's fair.

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I don't want to give my best stuff away Hold on, let me see Oh I was so excited for this Is Shams around the corner How many minutes out? Give me a heads up Can I start a topic? Okay, two minutes

I want to tell you something This is only going to be a couple minutes I want to do you always know how I feel about USC football and Miami. I love college football, but I think it's become regionalized, and I miss the Miami Hurricanes and USC. And I believe if you gave the top 20 programs in college football, all great coaches, they all had a Jimmy Johnson, they all had an urban, they all had a saving. That the two best programs would not be SEC programs. It would be Miami and USC, because I think Dade County, they would never have to leave Dade County,

except maybe get a quarterback. And I think L.A. County, I mean, Alabama's good, but they have to leave the state to get most of their players, right? So there's a thing that came out yesterday. It's amazing. Total NFL snaps from 2006 to 2019. You think Alabama, right? Saban's been there.

They don't crack the top five. Now, there's always been a theory that Nick squeezes every ounce of talent out of Alabama players and by the time they get to the NFL. Alabama players have peaked. Number one is Miami. They haven't been great in 15 years. And they're number one on this list. USC hasn't been great since 2008.

They're number five on this list. Folks, I've said it before. I love college football. But the fact that Miami's one in USC is five, they haven't even had great recruiting classes mostly in the last 10 years. They've had a couple of them. Lane Kiffin had one great one at USC.

This shows you the power and the potential of Miami and USC football. I got nothing against Georgia. But USC Texas got a 22 rating. A 22. Bama Clemson gets a 15-16. 35% of the audience would come back in if you had Miami and USC, which give you not only like Alabama's a machine. Machines are boring.

The coach is the key to the success, not the players. Miami was personality. players first. The coach, I mean, they had like five coaches won. Everybody won there. Butch Davis won. Dennis Erickson won. Howard Schnellingberger won. Jimmy Johnson won. Good God. What was the assistant that got fired? The guy for Butch Davis, what? Larry Coker won, for God's sakes. Larry Coker won. Alabama's never had a bad coach who won. Big. So it's like, I saw that list yesterday, the fact that Miami's won, and it hasn't been relevant in mostly 15 years, most snaps, and that USC is five, college football will never hit.

its peak without those two being great. When they're great, and you can have SSE teams and Ohio State, and you can have everybody else. But if USC and Miami aren't great, the sports never is good. It's never as good because they gave you swagger, they give you personality, they gave you big city, it didn't feel as rural, it didn't feel as regionalized, it felt big. It felt like 70% college football, 30% NFL. College football is leaving so much off the table unless they have Miami and USC. I also think Texas is underrated as a brand. I think when Texas is good, the sports

better. Shams Sharanya is now joining us senior NBA insider, the athletic and stadium. He is joining us via the Coward Global Satellite Network. Brought to you by Mercedes-Benz, the best or nothing. All right, let's start this. Shams, let's start. Orlando, Disney World. What

is the very latest on the season restarting? Yeah, Colin, great joining you. So the NBA has Disney World in Orlando as the frontrunner to be its playing site when they do, if they do, resume the 2019-20 season. And that has, you know, everything is leading and the momentum is all going that way. Hopefully teams and players are hopeful that there will be a ramp up period over the next

couple weeks where players will start to be able to do group workouts in facilities and then transition into full training by mid-June and hopefully. somewhat of a training camp, two, three, four-week training camp before they end up going to a bubble site, such as Orlando, which is in the lead in Disney World. Obviously, a lot of different connections between, you know, Disney, the NBA being partners, and now the likelihood that Disney and Orlando will be the playing site over, you know, they consider Las Vegas and Houston, but Orlando has a lot of different factors. The controllability of the city of the playing site at the resort of the property.

and I think a lot of factors are leading in that direction. You have a lot of connections to players. When you talk to players, you know, anonymously, not publicly. What are they truly saying? You know, there's this perception that players don't want to play or don't feel like they want to play. I've gotten the complete opposite. You know, speaking of the majority of players, star players, owners, executives,

they want to be out on that basketball court. They want to have a finality of the season because everyone understands how much is that stake financially, how much is that stake for the sport. And if you can do it safely, which there is that caveat in there, the players want to do it. And it goes from, you know, all the star players, the star owners, whether it's Mark Cuban, Mark Lazary in, you know, in Milwaukee. They all want to have a resumption of the season. And so that's all I've heard. and whether it's in Orlando, Las Vegas, the players ultimately will trust in Adam Silver

and trust that he will be able to find the right playing site for them. You recently talked to Todd Musburger, Brent's son, and the agent of Phil Jackson for a long time. We watched the Jordan documentary. I thought Phil came off very well, very smart. The Zen master was his ability to spin so many plates and personalities I thought was just absolutely, is mind-bending. I'm just, I was so blown away.

He got Michael Jordan to write a poem at the end. When you talk to Todd Musburger, his thoughts with Phil and how difficult that 98 season was. Yeah, it was difficult because it got off to such a bad start in 1997, where they were so, there was so much friction between Jerry Krause and Phil Jackson. And as Todd Musburger, Phil Jackson's agent put it to me is we were never given a formal offer from the Bulls in 1998 to return. I don't know Phil would have, but we would not, we at least would have had a decision to make, and there was not a decision to make. Again, the Bulls, Jerry Rinesdorf, they've come out publicly and said Phil Jackson was given an

opportunity to return in 98, but the wounds were just too deep between Jerry Kraus, Phil Jackson, and at that point, Phil Jackson was checked out, and that ultimately led to the departures of Michael, Jordan, Scottie Pipp, and so on and so forth. Were you surprised, Scha, at the popularity of Jordan and the polls are coming out now, 70, 30 people still say the gap is literally widened with LeBron James, and Michael hasn't played for 20 years. Did that catch you or anybody else in the league by surprise? No, I haven't spoken to anyone in the league about polls or anything like that. I just, you know, obviously, you know, Michael Jordan is one of the greatest players of all time

and probably the greatest of all time. but, you know, LeBron James' story still hasn't been written. You know, that's why this season was so big for LeBron James. To be able to get a fourth championship at his age, being able to lead another franchise in L.A.

to this championship. It would have been big for his legacy, for his career. And I think that's why, you know, everyone around L.A. wants to get back on the court, whether you're the Lakers, whether you're the clippers,

as long as the testing and the safety is there. And that's why, you know, in terms of legacy, see this was such a big season. Shams, we have a little bit of an audio issue. We appreciate you stopping by today. Thanks so much, buddy. I do appreciate it.

A little audio problem there. We want to get that corrected, but we got to run right now. I will say, coming up next, the Cowboys are trying to sell me something, and I've seen it before, and I don't buy it, and we'll talk about that coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays at noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific.

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You know, I was thinking about this. Some companies do certain things really well. Like Starbucks does coffee really well. They do atmosphere really well. The decor, the atmosphere, it kind of makes you feel like an intellectual. You go and you drink and you think, I feel like I'm a sophisticate. I'm just smarter being here. They have whiffed on a million things.

They tried ice cream. Stores of the middleman took the profits away. It wasn't very good. They tried a blender. They had a blender. That didn't work. They had a magazine that was a disaster. They tried a chantico.

It was a chocolate drink, liquid chocolate. It was like drinking a truffle. It was awful. They couldn't figure their food out for 20 years. Their food was a mess. And they finally about 10 years ago found a bakery in Los Angeles now, and it works. They failed at a lot of stuff. I mean, at one point, they did a coffee brewer, which made no sense because that would

keep people home out of your stores. They're like, let's create something that keeps people home. No, you want them to go to your stores. It was cheap and it bombed. They bombed on a lot of stuff. But they do the coffee thing well, and they do ambiance really well. They really have figured out. That's their thing.

And, you know, they want to be global and they want to be smart, and they want to fend off competitors. So they keep trying to create stuff, and it's mostly just bombs. And the Dallas Cowboys do offense really well. When Jason Garrett was there, Tony Romo, they draft offense well. I mean, God, they hit on every offensive lineman. They got Ezekiel Elliott. They're good at free agents, Amari Cooper.

They bring Jason Witten back. This organization for 15 years to me has done offense really well. Part of it, I think, is Jerry Jones. It's the glitz. It's the glamour. He understands offense. Guys like me in talk shows talk about offensive stars, not interior tackles. So he gets it.

Jerry likes the brand building of the cowboys. They go get C.D. Lamb in the first round. They needed a corner. They needed a defensive tackle. They needed a safety. They needed a new center. They went and drafted a wide receiver. And I'm sure Cedie Lam will do fun.

The last thing they needed was another thousand-yard receiver. They had two of those, both in their prime. They didn't need another receiver, but they went and got a receiver. And so I haven't given this Alden Smith story any airtime. Alden Smith is back in the NFL. And I look at it and I roll my eyes and I think this is what the Cowboys don't do well. Defense. It's always a Hail Mary.

Greg Hardy, 2015. Hail Mary. Randy Gregory. They were warned by smart people not to draft him. They drafted him. Alden Smith. Out of the league for years, suspensions, you know, criminal past. This is their savior.

Dallas doesn't do defense great. I don't think they have, you know, they went out and got Rod Marinelli and Mike Nolan. Those are older defensive coaches, old school guys. There's all sorts of young, innovative defensive coaches out there. It's just not what they do. And so I haven't given this story a lot of credibility. I don't think Dallas does defense particularly well. I think New England does.

I don't think New England does offense nearly as well. And I think you're going to see that now with Tom Brady gone. But when I look at this story, it just kind of feels like a Hail Mary for Dallas. And, you know, I mean, they, they, I mean, it's not like they've whiffed on everybody. I mean, DeMarcus Lawrence is a really nice player, but they let Byron Jones go. And, you know, I like Van der Wesch, but he got hurt and Jalen Smith got hurt in college. And I think he's going to be a star if he can say healthy. but when I look at Dallas and I look at football, I would say this.

I do think offense is the future and Dallas as good at it. I mean, they found Dak Prescott in the fourth round. There's another draft pick. Their offensive line had like four pro bowlers. They don't miss a lot on offense. I mean, did you watch their wider, was it Michael Gallup? Did you watch him in college? I mean, I love college football.

I saw him in one game in college for about a quarter. I never watched him. He's a good player. So they figured out the offensive part. And maybe that's just, you know, for years, it's funny how it works in the NFL. Some of these companies, they just have strengths. Some of these programs, they just get certain positions right. And maybe it's a scout.

Maybe it's a coach. You know, I'll give you an example. What New England doesn't get right. So I saw this. Pro football focus ranked every NFL receiving corps heading into this year, New England's 30th. They can't figure it out. Bill Belichick cannot draft a wide receiver to save his life. Can't do it.

Been 15 years. Gronks their last Pro Bowl are at tight end or wide receiver. And by the way, where's Dallas on this list? Third. That's not even counting their offensive line. That's not counting Zeke. They have the third best receiving core in the NFL. So congratulations.

You're really good at that. But that's, you know, I don't think. When I look at Dallas, I just, I kind of see a hole in the company, is that I don't think they're innovative defensively. I don't think they put a lot of time into hiring the coaches defensively. I don't think they drafted generally that exceptionally well. They let they have good defensive players and they let them go. And so like, Alden Smith, it's like, to me, it's like, okay, here's another, this is another Hail Mary. They were warned not to draft Randy Gregory from people that knew him.

It's like there's going to be problems. He's going to underachieve. I don't know Randy Gregory, but people were warned. And, you know, there was the Greg Hardy thing, and that was kind of a Hail Mary. And you kind of, you know, you reap what you sow. What you care about in life is what you'll be good at. Like if you want to go to all your daughter's recitals or son's recitals and you're the superparent, you'll be great at that.

If you're into your career, you'll be great at that. We all make choices on stuff. Dallas loves offense, drafts it, finds it, accumulates it. They find coaches to elevate it. They're very good at that. I like him. That part of it, they're good. Just can't stop anybody.

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But Albert Breer will be joining us. Cam Jordan of the Saints, Bruce Feldman, some college football stuff today. Joy Taylor, how are you? I'm doing good. I had a very terrorizing night of nightmares last night. And I've talked in great detail today. about to start my show about none of my dreams ever end well. You know, quarantine dreams are a thing too now.

What's that mean? Like, everyone is having really crazy, elaborate dreams. I read up on it, apparently it's because we're not doing our normal routine. Most of us aren't. So our brains are kind of trying to fill it that space that we would normally be using. I mean, I have, yeah. They've lessened over the past couple weeks, I think, because my body's just adjusting to a different. Wow.

environment, but yeah. I was chased by pirates last night. Never had one positive dream my whole life. Seriously. Your scary dreams are so hilarious. No, giant snakes swallowing me home. Like Johnny Depp pirates or real ones? No, like me, like guys on boats.

I'm on a boat. Like modern day pirates? Yeah, like I'm on a boat in the Caribbean and guys jump on the boat. Oh, okay. So like real pirates. Like the Tom Hanks movie. Oh, okay. That's a little scary.

That's probably the more rational explanation. You just put yourself in a Tom Hanks movie. Yes, exactly. So I got two things I want to talk about here. Okay. I don't want to waste your time. So we just talked about this with Dallas Cowboys. Offense is the future of the league.

The rules, the regulations. I've talked to people actually in front offices about this. And we talk about this and they agree with me that if you are sitting there in a draft room, I've talked to three different GMs in this. If you're sitting in a draft room and you've got two players, just draft the offensive guy. He has a much greater chance. I mean, literally, slot receivers control games more than Khalil Mack.

J.J.J.J. Jadaian Clowning. Slot receiver guy from, you know, Panera-Bred state. I mean, that's what the league is because the rules have all changed it. And leagues become what the rules allow them to be. The NBA is now a Shooter's League with no centers. Why? There's no physical play. You can't hand check. You can't lean on guys. It's a shooters league. The NFL now, once they said the non-catch is a catch, you can't touch the quarterback, the wide receiver. It's an offensive league. And I do think it's affecting coaches. And this is why I do not buy into new England. this year. I'll give you an example. You know how I think about Belichick. I think Belichick's in trouble. The three best defensive coaches in the NFL are Belichick, Tomlin, and Pete Carroll. Belichick last 10 years can't draft offense. He's very average at it. He struggles with that side of the football and personnel. Pete Carroll runs a 1980s offense. It's inflexible. It's not creative. And Russell Wilson basically has to save his arse every week. And Mike Tomlin doesn't win enough big games. Lack of attention to detail. Yet the older veteran offensive coaches in this league, Andy Reed, just won a Super Bowl

and is absolutely flourishing. He's got a great eye for offensive personnel, a great eye for offensive coordinators, and an unbelievable ability to design plays. And Sean Payton, it's an advantage for the Saints and the Chiefs going forward. It's an offensive league. And New England thinks, oh, it's our system. Pro football focus has the New England Patriots receiving court at 30. and you think Jared Stiddam is going to elevate him, Tom Brady could not elevate him. That's why Belichick wanted Brady back. They got no players.

They got no tight ends. They got no wide receivers. And I'll tell you this. We think about Belichick as a legend, and I love him. But if he thinks system is going to win in this league, he's out of his mind. Bobby Knight was every bit as big as Belichick 20 years ago. College basketball was much bigger, and Bobby was the Belichick or bigger.

I mean, he was going on late night. Talk shows. Bobby, I ran a high school offense from Bobby Knight. I didn't run a high school football defense from Belichick or any defensive coach. That's how big Bobby Knight was. He created the motion offense. We all ran it in high school. Bobby Knight believed his system mattered more than talent.

And he disappeared. He stopped recruiting. Greg Popovich wasn't as big as Belichick because the NFL is bigger than the NBA, but Popovich for 15 years, the system. the system. And then he started believing the system was bigger than Kauai Leonard. And the spurs are not relevant. They're not as relevant as the Utah Jazz today.

I'm not sure this year that they're as relevant as the OKC Thunder in a rebuilding year. They're just not. Belichick's system is not going to win games. It didn't win any games in Cleveland. It didn't win any games in Cleveland. Where's the great system? It didn't win his first year and a half in New England. You think, you think Jarrett's,

Stidim is going to, this is what killed Bobby Knight, this is what crushed Greg Popovich, when you start believing your system is so dynamic, so unbelievable. I don't need a quarterback. Brock Heward, a former college and NFL quarterback, we talked about Jared Stidim. He called his games. He watched him. And I, if he's so great, why did Belichick want to boot Brady for Garoppolo and yet wanted Brady instead of Stidham? an older Brady, a less dynamic Brady.

Brock Keyward, I asked him, you saw Jared Stidman College? You saw him. What did you think? The one concern I always have, fair or unfair, biased or not, is just a sense of urgency out of some of those southern quarterbacks, man. Is there just that sense of urgency? Like, I'm going to take this thing over. This is my team. Now, he has the one head coach that will light that urgency flame every single day,

every practice did with Tom for two decades. certainly has cranked it up on Jared and must feel like he's got that, that toughness to him. But I would agree with you as far as the raw goods go, I don't think even comparing him to Jimmy Garapolo in all of those areas, arm, athleticism, size. Yeah, I don't think he checks as many boxes as Jimmy does. So yesterday, let's shift to diss and DAC. So we did a game because Dak Prescott yesterday, his agent, they want $35 million a year. That's the Russell Wilson contract. He's not close to Russell Wilson.

he's not as good an athlete. He doesn't have the arm. I mean, there are some stats. I saw a stat yesterday that said, you know, he is the best deep ball passer Dak Prescott in the NFL. All right. Dig a little deeper on the DAC stats.

Here's a stat on DAC. He's the second quarterback in the last 15 years to throw 30 touchdowns and have zero game-winning drives. Dak kicked the living you-know-what last year out of the Redskins and Giants. He had almost half his touchdown passes. against those guys. In his career, he's 13 and three against the Giants and the Redskins,

who have both been rebuilding his entire career in Dallas. Dack is also 0 and 8 last year, trailing at half. He doesn't have the ability when teams know he's going to throw to lead him back. He's good with a running game. He's good with a lead. He's good on play action. Dak is Kirk Cousins. Nobody likes Kirk Cousins. But Kirk Cousins is way cheaper now than what DAC wants to get paid. What's the difference? They both have excellent, excellent supporting cast talent offensively. They both have

big stats, but when you deep dive on both their stats, they're great against bad teams and not very good against good teams. And quarterbacks are defined in this league, not against Cleveland, but against the Ravens. The difference now between Dak and Kirk

Cousins, Kirk's actually more accurate and Kirk is willing to take a moderate pay change. Once DAC says, I want $35 million, my criticism gets much harsher. DAC at $29 million got your back. DAC at 35, $45 at the end? No thank you. He wins in the regular season. Andy Dalton has a winning regular season record. In a salary cap league, highly compensated quarterbacks don't win. Brady takes pay cuts.

Drew Breeze takes pay cuts. This is the way it works. The minute you pay your quarterback a lot of money, big trouble. It doesn't work. You can't fill the spots. So when people say you're harsh on deck, I was a much bigger fan of DAC, until the money changed. He wants a Russell Wilson contract. He's not Russell Wilson. He has made a living.

I mean, four years, one playoff win. Isn't the knock on Kirk Cousins, who nobody likes, right? Everybody's always banging on Kirk Cousins. You know, he's good, but he never wins the games against the good teams. That's become DAC. I want to see DAC in week three at Seattle. I want to see DAC in week 13 at Baltimore. I want to see DAC against the 49ers defense.

Because the PFF today says the Cowboys have the third best wide receiving core. Receiving core. I didn't think the receiving core is nearly as good as they're running back or their own line. The receiving corps is top three? So it's not that I'm anti-Dak. But once you're now demanding Russell Wilson money, everything changes. It's just like my kids. I don't get mad at my kids' mom.

But if their demands are, I want $500 a month allowance, we got a problem. If you want $5 a week allowance, $25. But you're asking for this, then dad's got a problem with it. The bigger you're ask, you have to be so exceptional in pro sports or my criticism rams up. So when I look at the numbers, I look at DAC, I see Kirk Cousins. But Kirk now, he does not have a prohibitive contract. Jimmy Garoppolo no longer has a prohibitive contract. When you're making close to 28, other guy asked for 35.

At the end, you want 45. Of course my criticism goes up. What we bang on cousins for is what Dax become. Trails at half, game over. Against the good teams, forget it. Beats up on the Giants and Redskins. In fact, I saw a stat here. I want to make this.

Last year, half his touchdown passes, Dax. 14 to 30 were against the Giants and Redskins. I mean, come. on. That's the knock on cousins. He's great against the lions. He's great. You know, so, you know, when I picked, and I said yesterday, I picked cousins over him. It wasn't like, I had paused. It was like, but I start thinking about cousins. He's more accurate. And he's taken a little bit of a, he's renegotiated his deal. You got to think about everything now. I got to, and so, you know, there's the numbers for you right there on the graph for the, for the radio audience. They don't

hear it, but put those numbers up so I can read these again, if you could. I mean, just look at the numbers. Dak last year against playoff teams is one and six. He's seven and two against the garbage teams. He's eight touchdowns, eight picks against good teams, 22 touchdowns, three picks against the garbage teams. What do you want? If I did a blind resume, you'd say that's Kirk Cousins.

So if I'm going to be hard on Kirk Cousins, and by the way, I blistered Kirk Cousins for two years when he was making like 28 and 28 men something. Now 28's a break. If you could have a starting quarterback at 28, and Kirk Cucs, Cousins, Derek Carr, you know, you get into that kind of good, solid, top 15-ish guy. They're good players. They're nice player.

Derek Carr's a nice player. I mean, Kirk Cousin is a nice player. I don't think he's, you know, elite. But that number, to me, on DAC changes everything. It's like, no, no, no, I'll take Andy Dalton. I'll take Andy Dalton's 85% of him. Good old line. I'll save the 30 million bucks.

You know, it just changes everything. Everything does. You know, when you go in to get a, buy a house, buy a car, buy anything. That's a nice looking carpet. Not for $9,000. It's not. $900? It's unbelievable.

So, I mean, we all have salary caps on our budgets. So do teams. The bigger the ass, the bigger the criticism. Coming up next, Albert Breer stops by with some NFL news. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed the game. the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you

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Well, there's some NFL stuff going on right now. We talked about the Dak Prescott story. It's fascinating because Dak Prescott, we see all the numbers, and it's massive. It is Russell Wilson level. There's a story about a $45 million payment at the end. Let's get Albert Breer via the Coward Global Satellite Network to join us. All right.

What's not being talked about, Albert, with Dak Prescott's deal? Well, clearly, Colin, they're going to have to find a middle ground. And the raw numbers are a factor, of course. The fact that Patrick Mahomes could do a deal between now and the start of training camps, a factor as well. One reason why the Cowboys would be motivated to get something done sooner, rather than later. I think that middle ground, though, actually could be found in the length of the deal. The Cowboys have typically tried to get their players to do longer-term deals. They've locked up

Zeke Elliott that way. They've locked up Zach Martin that way. They've locked up Jalen Smith that way. I think one place where they could find a middle ground, maybe they go to Dak Prescott and say, we're willing to do a shorter deal with you, maybe a three-year deal, a four-year deal. That's a little bit of a band-aid that gets him where he needs to be from a monetary standpoint. And then he can revisit in three or four years, come back to the table and benefit by some of the things that are going to be happening in the league, i.e., the television deals and gambling money coming in. Story comes out yesterday.

Taysam Hill, according to Jay Glazer, is going to start. And I said this earlier. He doesn't really fit all the parameters, but five years ago, if you'd have told me we'd stop going to movie theaters or we jump in strangers cars. It's called Uber. I mean, who knows the way the world changes it. I look at him and I think to myself, Lamar Jackson, I didn't know if he could play. He's the MVP of the league. What do you make of the Taysam Hill is the next Drew Brees story? I don't know if he's the next Drew Brees, but I certainly think Sean Peyton is intrigued by what he can do with Taysam Hill, and they want to give him more opportunity this year. And

really, this is about throwing as many darts at the dartboard as you possibly can, and getting ahead of Drew Breeze's retirement. And right now, in that locker room, they've got two guys they're throwing darts with. One is Tayson Hill. The other is James Winston, who may have had an up and down five years in Tampa, but he was the number one overall pick.

There is some talent there. And so, you know, I think the idea on what the New Orleans Saints are doing right now is they're taking multiple shots at finding Drew Breeze's successor. Taysam Hill has a lead right now because he's been in the building the last couple of years. He knows Sean Payton's offense,

and he's actually gotten on the field. for Sean Payton. But James Winston's going to have a shot at being the guy, too. And so these two guys are going to be interesting over the course of the next few months is they get a shot to compete in training camp to B. Drew Breeze's backup. And then we get to, you know, opening day and we see who's number two in the depth chart. Important to remember here, Colin, that wasn't Taysom Hill last year. It was actually Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah. Speaking of replacements, I was just saying this is that 20 years ago, Bobby Knight was Bill Belichick. He was the coach of record in America. And then he fell in love with his system and thought his system was more important than

players would not do the one and done. And he disappeared. Greg Popovich was the star of the NBA coaches. And then he decided, you know what, I don't need Kauai Leonard. My system's bigger. And now they're less relevant than the Utah Jazz and Denver Nuggets. Belichick has a system and I know it's formidable. But he wanted Brady back. Jared Stidham was not impressive enough in a year. Garoppolo was. Belichick would have moved off Brady for Garopolo. I keep hearing all this Jared Stidham stuff. And I'm like, if he's so great, why did Bill want Brady back? I mean, what do we know about Stidham? Well, I will tell you he wanted Brady back because he got an aging roster. And Brady better

matches the roster that they have right now. But I would also say that bringing in Jared Stidham was really a bet on the coaching they've got in the building. They've been doing this for a few years, Colin, in drafting quarterbacks, Jimmy Garoppolo is part of this. Kid named Danny Etling, two years ago, was a part of this. And Jared Stidham is as well. They look at guys who are kind of distressed assets coming into the NFL. And if you look at Jared Stidham's history, it's there for you. He was the number one high school quarterback in America coming out, started as a true freshman at Baylor. Things went haywire there. He transfers to Auburn spending a little time at junior college. The Auburn offense was still the Cam Newton

offense. Not a great fit for him. So what the Patriots saw when they drafted him was a player who had a ton of talent, who came into college, one of the most highly recruited quarterbacks in the country, and just things went sideways when he got there. And so they feel like they can still harvest the talent with Jared Stidham. They spoke really highly of him last summer over the course of July and August. That cooled off a little during the season as he worked in being the scout team quarterback. But they see Jared Stim as one of these kids that's sort of a distressed asset.

There's talent there, and having him as a starter is a bet on their ability to coach him on. When's the last nugget of news you got in the last day with the NFL? Anything new out there? Yeah, I mean, over the last 45 minutes or so, the agenda for the May 28th league meeting went out. And to me, the most interesting part of it, there's this booth umpire proposal that was put forward by the Ravens and the Chargers. There was a lot of skepticism over whether or not they would actually make it to the league meeting for a vote.

Well, that is on the agenda. And they called it a booth umpire. What it really is is the sky. judge. And this is what so many coaches in the NFL want. Calm. When I've, I mean, I ran a poll on this. I texted all 32 head coaches last year, got, got word back from 26 of them. Over 20 of them were in favor of a sky judge. They want this, this, this mechanism in place that would sort of provide the officiating crew with the benefit of all the HD angles, all of the, all the, all the, all the instant stuff that we have at home. They want to give the officials that benefit. And so

they want to put somebody up in the booth who's going to have the benefit of the television broadcast so they can use that as a tool to better officiate the game. Makes all the sense in the world. I know there are a lot of head coaches hoping that this Sky Judge proposal, booth umpire proposal goes through next week. By the way, Alden Smith to the Cowboys, I roll my eyes at it. Greg Hardy, Randy Gregory, Alden Smith. I don't think the Cowboys are particularly deft at the defensive side of the ball.

I don't love their coaches. I think they draft their hit and miss on draft. I think they're very good on the offensive side of the ball. They built an unbelievable best offensive line in 20 years in the league. They don't miss. They got DAC in the fourth round. Alden Smith, to me, is an eye roll. I just don't think he's going to have a huge impact.

What are people saying in the league? Well, here's what I would tell you, first of all, Colin. You're right to look at that one position, the edge rusher position. It's a position where you've got to spend a lot of money. They've got to Marcus Lawrence there, who again, he was one of these guys. He had red flags coming out of Boise State. They wound up hitting on him. they paid him. That's a position where you either have to bring in a guy who's got red flags and

roll the dice or draft him high or pay him. And so they've found ways to try to cut corners at that position. They struck out on Randy Gregory. They hit on DeMarcus Lawrence. They struck out on Greg Hardy. And now the hope is that they hit on Alden Smith. By all accounts, Alden Smith really turned his life around. But we've seen in the past how these things can be up and down a little bit. So certainly a risk by the Cowboys and a risk that they've taken at that specific edge rush position. Good stuff, Albert. Nice talking to you. You too, Colin. So we got some NFL news, by the way, we're apart these days.

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Grunk lost a noticeable amount. of weight when he stepped away from the NFL. He said he got it all the way down to 240 pounds. But now that he's making a comeback, he's working to get getting back up to his playing weight again. It felt good just to drop that weight. You know, ease up my joints, let my body, you know, free. I kind of felt like that weight was bloated weight too. So it felt good to get rid of it. And now it's time to build back upon it. Put, you know, lean muscle on my body.

get ready for the NFL season like I never have before. I'm about 257 pounds right now. Everyone, you know, thinks I'm like 240, 2.30. But I'm basically, you know, four more protein shakes away from being at my playing weight. That's funny. He's such a treasure. So when you have his frame, I wouldn't know. It probably is fairly easy to put on 12 pounds in like a month.

Well, it's easy to put on weights. But what kind of weight are you putting on, which is what he's talking about? He's never prepared for the NFL season like this before because he's always been in a routine. You're stepping away for a year, dropping all that way. He's never dropped that much weight in the off season. You'll drop maybe 10 pounds or whatever. You'll flex a little bit, but it's what kind of weight you're putting back on too. Sure.

Like you can go put on 10 pounds and you might feel a little heavier, but you're not going to notice. I put on 10 pounds. Everyone's going to be like, it's going to sit right here. You're right in the cheeks. Is that it? A little there. I mean, your body's different. Like how you carry it is different.

Whereas losing five pounds for you could be, you know, an evening run, you know, and you keep it off for the week. Like everyone's body is different. Yeah. For some reason, I can lose weight. My wife is, it's infuriating. I can lose three pounds in a day like that. It's unbelievable. Easily, easily.

I could lose, I'm not joking. I could lose seven pounds in a week. No, I believe you. Men can do that. It's very annoying. Yes. Well, I have so much muscle. But it's like it'll flex.

Like, it comes back. Yes, but that's the point. Like, that's what he's saying. Like, it's putting on weight when you're doing something like that is actually quite miserable. It's not a fun experience. Why can guys, and all the women out there have great sympathy for you, please don't turn off the television. Why can men lose weight so fast? I've been able to do it my whole life.

We have more muscle mass or something. I'm not a doctor, but yeah, I mean, your bodies are different. You carry weight in different spaces than we do. I'm going to lose three pounds for tomorrow show. I'll do it right now. Are you mad at me for saying that? It's annoying, yes. I mean, like, I can't do that.

I can. It's just women's bodies. are different. All right. As you know, we have different anatomy. You gave me, that's the second time I've been on this show. You gave me a dirty look.

I'm just messing with you. It's not your fault. It's your man. You can live with a way. But you get very petty. I don't want to be in your bad side. You're fine, Colin. So the biggest question surrounding Taysam Hill is whether he will be taking over for

Drew Brees when he retires. And according to Jake Layser, the Saints are all in on that plan. He said that Sean Payton and the entire team love him. And there's no smokescreen. He's the guy. And he also compared him to, Lamar Jackson, I think Sean, he said, I think Sean is always hoping to unleash him on the league without anyone seeing him before. But now that we've seen it with Lamar Jackson, he's a bigger Lamar Jackson.

Well, he is, he is a different athlete, but he's, you know what he is? He's what we thought Tebow was, but he's a way better athlete than Tebow. Yeah, I'm more comfortable with the Tebow comparison. Here's the thing about Lamar Jackson, that it kind of always bothered me from the very beginning when Lamar came in the league. And this is why I don't think it's a fair comparison to, like, obviously, Lamar, He's a running quarterback. We know that. He's definitely developed in the pocket and shown that he has the ability to throw in the NFL as well.

It was a huge step up, obviously, from his rookie season to last year. However, Lamar Jackson had a great, great college career. A great college career. Right, right, right. He was a Heisman trophy winner. Right, right. I mean, he was two-time ACC offensive player of the year. When I look at Taysam Hill.

Two-times A-C player of the year, a unanimous All-American, a Heisman, a Heisman trophy winner. You're a winner. Lamar Jackson is an incredibly talented player. And the idea, and it's become kind of the story around Lamar, like he's asked to be a wide receiver, running back, like pretty good for a running back. That was ridiculous to begin with. He was of course a quarterback. One scout, one person saying that he should play a different position, should not shape his entire career, but that's fine. Chip on the shoulder, I'm good with it.

But let's not compare Taysam Hill and Lamar Jackson. No. When I watch Tayson Hill play, I think he's Tim Thiel, but I think he throws a better football. Like I never bought into Tebow being an NFL quarterback. He just couldn't throw the ball at that kind of level. Taysam can, but I don't think getting hit like that. Like Taseom to me is the classic gadget guy, but I will say this in the new NFL, hell if I know. Because I thought Josh Allen was a complete project.

Like can't play him for two years. He's in the playoffs. No, and if anyone can do it, it's this system. And they see him in practice, like you said earlier, like they know more than We do. If they believe in him, like, they're, they're seeing him every day in practice. They're dealing with him. They're seeing what he's developed into.

We haven't obviously seen him play a lot in the NFL, throw the ball a lot. But you don't have to. You don't have to. You can build your offense around him and make it work. So the NFL season might have to start without fans and attendance, but Ron Rivera thinks that could actually be a good thing, especially during those tough divisional away games. He said, if you're the home team, kind of wish you had your folks in the stands. When you go someplace like Dallas or Philadelphia, it might be refreshing that you don't have to have.

There are fans in the stands. That's for darn short. Oh, no, no. It's a disadvantage for Green Bay, New Orleans, Seattle. I mean, don't kid yourself. Minnesota's loud. There's like six places in this league that you can't hear yourself. Who are the best home advantages?

New Orleans is huge. Denver. Denver's huge. Seattle's huge. The Raiders were. Kansas City now is big. Green Bay is avvious. I think Minnesota is underrated.

I haven't been there. but they say that dome is so loud. Yeah, they got the skull chance. And then there's like places like Tampa that aren't very. Pittsburgh has home field advantage. I don't think Tampa is very loud. I don't think Jacksonville's loud. I think Miami's loud.

Yeah, I mean, those places definitely. I don't think New England's as bad as just Belichick and Brady were good. I think we look at them and go, oh, they're tough. I mean, I think in the later season game, like later into the season, it was cold and a rougher place to play. Weren't they piping in sound Atlanta for a few years? That always makes it tough. Well, we might. be seeing a lot of that this year actually.

But yeah, I mean, it's going to make a huge difference. And again, it's not a permanent situation. And we don't even know if there's not going to be fans. We know there'll probably be less fans than normally. But yeah, it's funny to think of, especially a place like Philadelphia was so notorious with home field advantage that they won't have that this year. Good stuff. Joy with the News. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. So when I watched the last dance, we got into this discussion yesterday about could you do a 10-part documentary on any other athlete? And people said Tiger Woods. And I initially thought Tiger Woods. And then I thought, wait a minute. You got to have stardom at an early age.

You've got to have a journey. You just can't be great at 38. You need stardom in an early age. Tiger had it. You need controversy. Tiger had that. You got to have kind of a tail. You have to have multiple people that can talk about it.

But you also need access. Well, Tiger's not going to give you access. He's not going to talk about that affair thing. It's too embarrassing. He's not going to talk about it. So he goes three for four. Remember, Michael Jordan for years, you had all of the story, but you didn't have any access. It wasn't until Jordan.

If Jordan does an interview for this, it doesn't get the number. Like, that's why I'm sitting there watching him watch his mom and why. The Jordan talking was way better than anybody else talking. The laughing, the talking, the, you know, taunting the glove. Mike Tyson's it. I thought about this. Mike Tyson, early great. different childhood, great fights, controversy, incarceration, comeback, the Buster Douglas

saga, Don King, retirement, getting into pigeons. He's a roller coaster of crazy, controversy, childhood. I think Tyson's it. I saw Tyson yesterday on TMZ. Do we have the video? Tyson was out there, look at this. Look at him. And now watch this. Sorry, for the radio audience. Look at him. He's in better shape to 90% of these guys fighting. Look how, now I'm not saying he can go 12 rounds. But I'm watching all this internet video and I'm like, George Foreman came back and he's in way better shape than George Foreman. And boxing's an event, a 10-part series on Tyson, I would watch. And I covered Tyson in Vegas. So when Tyson first came out, he was from the cat skills in New York. I was a sportscaster in Las Vegas. And he trained right next to my TV

station. So I could walk over and watch Mike Tyson train. And this is when he had John Horn. Don King was just starting. Gus Tomato was back on the East Coast. So I got the Don King, the John Horn days. He was fascinating. He was frightening. He was fascinating. He had a historic knowledge, encyclopedic knowledge. I watched Early Tyson. We covered early Tyson. There are so many Tyson stories that have never made the air. He has lived and you get the four of them. You get greatness, controversy, mystery, and access. Tyson would talk about all of it. Mike Tyson would talk about all of it. So to me, that's the 10-part documentary. You got to give me some mystery. There's not a ton of mystery with Tiger. I love Tiger. He's kind of boring. He had a controversy, but he's

private. He's not giving you access. I wouldn't say he's boring. We just have no, we don't hear from him on those things. And we don't have the access. So I'm sure there's incredible stories, but yeah, we have never gotten them. Good stuff. Bruce Feldman stops by some college football talk coming up. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tapped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack all day, but just so you all know.

I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah.

For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? This is Clivert Taylor the 4th. And on my podcast, The Cliverts Show, I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff. Like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me. He goes, hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her.

What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue with 42. A ref, mom. want you to weigh better. What? Hey, Ms. Parker. Listen to the Cliverts show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Bruce Feldman, somebody I rely on a big college football stuff. He's a writer for the athletic

covering college football for nearly three decades. A New York Times bestseller. Guy knows his stuff. Totally piped in. Bruce Feldman now joining us, our college football guy via the Coward Global Satellite Network. All right, I got a lot of stuff to get to. We both love college football. You talk to a lot of coaches. Gavin Newsom and California has gone from, stay away from everything to we're opening it all up. So that gives me hope for the PAC 12, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA. But man, we're moving fast here. Bruce, you talk to these coaches. Are we moving too fast? Where are we at now? We're being optimistic right now, Colin. And I think you're going to see a lot more schools

move back to trying to get ready for getting ready for the season. That's the way I would categorize it. So what you're going to see is players get brought back to schools. There's probably be a quarantine phase of that where maybe it'll be a week, two weeks where they will be kind of reacclimated. They will probably get tested. And then you will see some involuntary workouts. So some of those details have not been sorted out. The SEC is going to vote on Friday tomorrow to see what the plan is going to be from their perspective. The MAC conference is also going to vote. But I think, look, Louisville is already moving, University of Louisville is already moving to start that process. And I think you'll see other programs are going to follow suit.

And the details of that are going to get sorted out. And I think all of this, when the people I talk to is really dependent on contingencies and protocols. How is this going to work? Will they be able to test people? And I'm not talking about players, but everybody who's around the program, trainers, strength and conditioning people, coaches, will they test them on a daily basis? will they test them multiple times a week? It's going to cost a lot of money to do that.

When you talk to people at smaller programs, say, we don't know if we'll be able to do that. So I think those are the things. And then it's like, what kind of practices will they be able to have? The workouts, you have big weight room facilities. But from my understanding, some of these schools will probably only be able to have maybe 10 guys training at a given time in that facility, and then they'll have to rotate.

So there's going to be a lot of stuff that has to be sorted out between now and even the middle of next month. I saw something today. A website had the most snaps taken in the NFL from 2006 to last year. Miami was number one. USC was five. And neither has been terribly relevant for a decade. And I said there's a lot of sports I miss right now.

But even if it comes back, one of the things I miss most is Miami Hurricane football and USC being great because I feel college football has gotten too regional and too rural. and I loved Miami, which you know well, and I love USC because it felt coastal and big, and I got all the SEC and the Big 12 programs. I want all of it. USC, Texas got a 22 rating. Bam McLemson gets a 16. 30% of the country is not interested.

You know Miami well. Why can't they get it right at Miami and USC? They still put guys in the NFL and they haven't been relevant for a decade. Yeah, I think some of that, Colin, when you look at, first of all, they're programs that have personas to them. USC has an amazing history. Miami has its persona from the U and everything back there. They're programs that are centered in huge recruiting bases. So they are going to get individual talent. And we've seen that.

Even when there's been a lot of guys who at Miami weren't as good as they were in the NFL, I think the biggest issue, and this is probably going to sound like an oversimplification, but I think it's real. If you don't have the right coach running your program, you're going to be spinning your wheels. So look, USC was great under Pete Carroll. And then, look, you can't overlook this part of it. USC had crippling sanctions. Miami had big sanctions.

That really impacted what they did coming out of it. And then I think you've had a lot of uncertainty in the leadership. Miami has cycled through a bunch of coaches. There was a little flash under Mark Rick, you know, turnover chain. They whoop Notre Dame on a big stage. People got excited about, quote, the U being back. I think it was a little bit of a false facade to that. because they were good on defense, you know, making turnovers, but they weren't very good on offense.

USC had a little bit of a run with Sam Darnold. But then, again, we saw they were underwhelming for the most part of this decade. And again, it goes back to the coaching. I think if you have the right coaching, if you have the right leadership, I mean, look, we've seen people get really excited about some moves USC has made this off season. It does it right now, they haven't won or lost a game. But I think that shows you the branding power that's there. It's just you need the right people to marshal it and then do something with the momentum when they get it. Three minutes. Jared Stidham. You did a book on quarterbacks, the making of a modern quarterback.

It's a great read, by the way, if you love football, go buy it. New York Times bestseller, Bruce Feldman. Jarretted him. He came out in the fourth round. I wasn't outraged. I watched them in college. Everybody's telling me how great he is. You saw him. You watched him. You covered him. Can you give me the true serum on this stuff? You know, I think he was a pretty good quarterback at Auburn. They had one year where they were very good. You know, he had talent around him. I think when you look at it, do you see him as a franchise quarterback? The challenge for him, and I've never heard anybody say a negative thing about Jared Stidham being around him. He's a guy people genuinely like. They like to be around him. He's got some tools. He's a good athlete. The challenge for him is he's not only just replacing the guy. He's replacing the legend there. And it was a franchise that got older. So that's a lot on his plate. I'm interested to see how it's going to be. I mean, you know, with this, we've seen guys in the last few years really hit it big in the NFL, whether it's certainly Pat Mahomes, Lamar Jackson. Those guys were guys who really put programs on their back.

Jared really didn't have to do that at Auburn. I mean, you know, he was a young quarterback who played well when he was at Baylor, but then he transferred to Auburn. He had some good moments against some good defenses. I think I would have been surprised if he was a first round pick. I wouldn't have been surprised if he went in the second round. He was a guy I thought might shine at the combine and really get more leverage to shoot up the boards. I don't think he's – when people look at Jake Fromm and see why he fell, I don't think that's Jared Stidham. Jared Stidham has more tools.

The question is going to be how well does he play when everything is going on around him and the pressure that he's going to have to deal with being in Boston and a franchise where all eyes are on you because the bar now is incredibly high. And so we'll see how he responds to it. It's going to be much different. I don't know. I mean, it's one of those things where I would be surprised if he turned out to be one of these guys that we lump in with Mahomes and certainly Lamar Jackson and this kind of next wave

of guys. But, you know, I wouldn't write him off because he wasn't great at Auburn. He was certainly good at Auburn. Yeah. All right. Bruce Feldman. Good seeing you, man. It looks like, you know, get outside and get a little sun.

We live in the same community. I've been outside. A lot of the sun. It's just like, you know, this is the first time I put on contact lenses in like two months, by the way. I know. I need a hair cut. I'm kind of falling on sleeves. I know.

I'm kind of falling apart physically. I need a physical therapist like nobody's business. Bruce, good seeing you. Thanks, Colin. Good seeing you. See, Feldman, he covered the U. He wrote a book on it. And I got nothing against the SEC.

You know this. I watch the SEC every Saturday. Like I think it's the best conference by far. I've defended a thousand times. But like Alabama is a machine. Their coach is the star of the program. Miami was all about players and personalities and they were controversial. It's just a different culture.

And SC is the same way because they're in cities that celebrate personalities. And agents. And have to compete with a lot of other entertainment options. Miami and LA have a lot to do besides college football. Pete Carroll was four and oh against the SEC. He'd play anybody anywhere. He went to Auburn. Auburn had the number two team in the country.

He took him there. USC beat him with Matt Liner. He didn't care. Miami didn't care. Miami's a schedule. Nick Sabin's completely manipulating his schedule. We'll play three cream puffs. We'll have a buy.

We won't go on the road at a conference. We'll play at a general site. It's like Miami and USC had swagger. Anytime, anywhere, we'll bring our dudes. That's my kind of program. had dudes. You look at that 2001 team that Miami had. It's nothing against Alabama,

but I don't want the star of your program to be your coach. I want it to be your players. I want to watch Zion. I love Coach Kay. I want to watch great players. I don't turn in a game to watch a 57-year-old coach. I like players. I respect the coach, but I watch for players. Miami

was about players. Bama's about the coach. That's why the coach makes so much. All right. Hour 3 is coming up. Cam Jordan of the Saints is stopping on by hour three of the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHard Radio app. Get your free credit scorecard today even if you're not a Discover customer. It includes your FICA credit score. Learn more. Discover.com slash credit scorecard limitations apply. Cam Jordan's entering his 10th NFL season. He's already

been a pro bowler for half of them. 15 sacks last year career high, tied for third most in the NFL. taking part in the Madden 20 tournament tomorrow night on FS1, raising money for feeding America and those affected by COVID-19. So let's go talk to Cam Jordan via the Coward Global Satellite Network. All pro-Saint's defensive end. All right let's start with this. Where are you right now this second? I'm finishing up rehab.

Look, I'm one of the few, the proud, be enabled to walk into this facility and get rehab from our amazing training staff. and seemingly, you know, still be able to train, lift, and try and get back to top form by season. So, I mean, it sort of ended my offseason quick. I mean, I had a quick surgery on my adductors, a little core surgery. And then I've been training and rehabbing since. So I almost loved the last dance just because it was like after, you know, Michael Jordan lost in the finals, he went next day into weight to weightlifting. And I feel just like that.

I've been lifting weights and trying to get better each and every day since. Now, let me ask you, Cam, you know, you've made some good money in this league. You may have a gym at home. You have opportunities that maybe a rookie does not. Do you believe you're in the kind of shape? Are your teammates, do you think, in the same kind of shape you are now? Absolutely. I've been in numerous phone calls with all of my teammates, and everybody's training however they can get it.

Whether that be, you know, finding some remote piece of grass that they can tear up or, you know, they have their own backyole. yard. Everybody's getting it with the same mentality that we've got to strive and push ourselves farther than we did the year before. So a story came out yesterday that Taysom Hill is your guy. And I said to start my show today is five years ago, I look at Taysam Hill and I think, I don't know if that's an NFL quarterback. But now I watch guys like Josh Allen and Lamar, guys running around. And I look and I think, well, why not? I mean, guys run around all the time now. It's almost like you have to run. You've seen a lot of Taysam Hill. I worry about he gets hit.

He runs around. Do you worry all if he's the guy eventually, he puts himself in harm's way? I mean, mobile quarterback's definitely been the wave since Mike Vic. It's very rare to catch pocket passes like, you know, the premier Drew Breeze or Tom Brady type. When you think about mobile quarterbacks, you've had everybody out there from, you know, again, Mike Vic, Alex Smith, that was mobile in pocket. You know, Russell Wilson, the Cam Newton was the biggest one. MVP type Mahomes, Lamar, and Lamar is different. I don't know if I've seen a quarterback with his speed since rookie RG3.

Yeah, I think he's faster than RG3, actually. And a straight line. Yeah. When I'm talking about rolling out, taking cuts, and then, you know, coming around the corner, I don't think there's anybody going as fast as Lamar and RG3. But Tayson, for sure, straight line downhill. When he's covering a kickoff, he can get, he can, get downright blazing.

From everything that, you know, Taysom brings to the table, if the organization says he's the guy, then he's the guy. I don't have to worry about it. We still got Drew. If, you know, if Drew goes down, we have Taysom, who has been dubbed the guy and James Winston, who we all know can go for 30 touchdown. By the way, have you talked to James Winston? Have you seen him?

I've talked to him previously. I haven't talked to him since he signed with the team. I should probably do due diligence and do that. That's probably my fault. I was probably just overly excited knowing that he was coming our way. I was reading for either him to come our way or somehow, you know, Cam Newton. I feel like we're, you know, phenomenal hands of Drew. And if one day Drew decides to step down, then we have the next era parent, which.

Yeah. Then it's a good battle to have. Yeah. By the way, so Tom Brady is in your division. The second you knew Tom Brady was in your division. What was your first thought? the second he got into our division, I was like, ooh, the most epic games are happening each, you know,

two twice a year now. You've got Tom Brady versus Drew Breeze. And then on Mackley, I saw Tompa Brady was in copyrights already. And I was like, that makes sense. They're officially Tompa Brady's. And then he did the Magic Conchelling Gront appeared out of nowhere. And I was like, yeah, I understand what they're trying to do here. You know, they've got to go from the bottom of the NFC.

South to, you know, second place of the agency South. That's great for them. We'll still be here. You watched the Jordan documentary as a professional athlete and a great one. What struck you? What was your takeaway watching it? It was sort of just reaffirmed everything that I knew about Michael Jordan, everything that I, you know, knew who was going into. Once you're part of locker, you understand, you know, when you have alphas in the room,

alphas are going to do what they have to do to make sure that everybody's up to standard. And it seemed like Michael Jordan was whatever the team needed him to be. If they needed him to be that villain to push you a little bit further, and I say villain just in practice antagonizing people, pushing people to their brinks, but also bringing the best out in them, sometimes that's the leader that you need. And, you know, if anything, it brought me the sound mind that says, hey, you know, it's okay to be that type of a go-getter.

You have that mentality is where I've got to push myself, and by pushing myself, I have to push all of my teammates to elevate their game. and then you can have guys, you know, guys like a Scotty Pippen or guys like whoever to be sort of that resounding character like, hey, this is what we're going to do, you know, to corral morale morale. You know, it's funny, Cam, I'm thinking about this. Basketball coach, you know, the NBA is not a yell at the player league. Football coaches, I played high school, football is a yell at the player league. Have you been in locker rooms where there is a lot of conflict, where there is guys that yell in lead? Is that normal in the NFL?

because it feels like Michael's very rare in the NBA where he's dogging teammates. But in the NFL, take me there. Do you see more of that? Of course. I mean, the ongoing joke is, you know, they're not football tough. There's a reason why, you know, every football player thinks he's a basketball player and not every basketball thinks he's a football player. You know, you can't teach size, so that's basketball,

but you can't teach, you know, heart and grit and just the different everyday atmosphere you're going to be in in a locker room. is going to be completely different than you are. It will be basketball. But at the same time, you know, competitive spirit is competitive spirit. Yeah. So we got into this discussion yesterday. So Joy Taylor's brother is a Hall of Fame football player.

And there was a story that LeBron could play in the NFL. And I said, time out, time out, time out. LeBron James is not going to block defensive ends. He don't want to get hit in their ribs. I don't want to hear how big and fast he is. I've seen a lot of big fast guys. I mean, I watch UFC fights. The tiniest guys are sometimes,

unbelievable tough guys. So when I hear basketball guy can play in the NFL, I roll my eyes at it. Now, Tony Gonzalez did it. But Tony's tough and Tony liked to block. If I say to you, LeBron in the NFL, he lines up right over you. What do you think? What position? When you say right up over me, he must be a tight end.

Yes. He's the opposite line. He's done. As a tight end? Yeah. it's probably over for him. As long as he spaces out and, you know, doesn't catch anything over the middle,

maybe he just, you know, is a street guy. If you send him on goes, I think that would be your best bet. Make him a red zone tight end. Just stick him to the end zone so he doesn't catch anything over the middle so he doesn't have a safety coming downhill.

He could possibly have success there. See? If you say, hey, you got to go run these posts, you got to go running in, I've got four guys that's going to take out your, you know, going to take out the body that you care. care so much about. And I don't know if you've been banged out on basketball court, like you're going

to get banged up in 16 games in football. Yeah. See, this is what we talked about yesterday. See, this is exactly what I think is. I don't think basketball players, you know, they bounce off a 6-11 skinny guy, go over the middle once in the NFL. Gronk couldn't stay healthy. Gronk was 265, couldn't stay healthy. I mean, the league is so brutal. Okay, you're in this Madden NFL virtual tournament tonight. Tell me about it. Look, it's huge. this Madden tournament is sort of sponsored, and there's going to be a couple different NFL stars in here, and I'm going against, I don't know if I'm allowed to say.

Look, I'm going against a kid who clearly has too much time on his hands because he's pretty great at Madden is what I've been told. So I'm overly excited to try and create revenue, to create a platform for us to push out our donations into this world. And this time right now what we have going on, is opportunities. As we're all sitting down at home, we're all fixated on how do we go to the next step or how do we push further. And this is an avenue to, you know, create positivity in this world. Cam Jordan Saints, I love talking to you, man. Always appreciate you giving time

first. Good luck on your rehab. Good luck. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, as always. You bet. See, this is everybody. Everybody's like, well, LeBron's big. Gronk could not stay healthy as last three years in the league. And gronk is, Have you still next to Gronk? He's a giant. Six, six and a half, two 70. He's taller than that. How big is Gronk?

Six, seven? Yeah. I mean, it's just like people, people, and here's the other thing that's happened. Because when you get the size of like LeBron or Gronk, nobody wants to, in the NFL, they don't want to hurt your knees. There's like an unwritten rule. Don't screw with the guy's knees. So where do they go?

They go for your head. So with LeBron, all these safeties and coronas, corners, they're going right for the head. Knock him out. One time a basketball player. LeBron's not going to get the leg tackle or the, no, no, no, because Gronko has said this, there's an unwritten rule. When you're 190 and I'm 260 over the middle, okay, I'm not going to go and rip your

league. I'm going to go for the head. I'm going for the shot. I'll take the penalty flag. Well, that's why I think, like, you're kind of simplifying the tight end position to say that LeBron could just stand in the back of the end zone and jump up and catch everything. It's all blocking.

It's like 75% blocking. To play tight end than that. Like if that was all you did, then sure. Yeah, of course. We dominate. Like what is a big game in the NFL for a tight end? Six catches? 70 plays, six catches.

If you can't block, you can't play. He's not going to play wide receiver. He's not, you know, he's 6-9-2-70. He's not going to play wide receiver. He's not going to be an offensive tackle. He's got no interest. Where's he going to play? He's going to play tight-end.

80% of tight-in is blocking. Everybody's like, oh, he's big. He can play in the NBA. What? There's a million big guys can't play in the NFL. LeBron can't play in the NFL. That's nonsense. Because he was good in Ohio high school football.

There are a million guys that were good in high school football in Ohio. Yeah, the high school thing, that's what I'm saying. The high school thing that's great. I'm not discrediting it if you were a great high school player. That's awesome. But if he was great in college. Yeah, okay. Or not even great.

If he was just decent in college, like he played. football and basketball. 38 catches a year at Ohio State. Couple touchdowns a year. Then you'd be like, you know, he's a unique build. Let's draft him in the fifth round. I would also buy it because then I would believe that he at least had experienced some of the callous that your body needs to play football, like to be able to take that hit. You have to have the mentality that I'm okay with running full speed into another human being.

Like my size are bigger. Yeah. Why did LeBron quit football? anybody ever considered he got hurt? Or maybe he's just... He didn't like the hits. One of the greatest basketball players of all time. He didn't like those little tiny five, eight corners in Ohio tackling him.

He's like, ah, I don't really like this. I'm just... What, because he was good at basketball? Someone may have said, hey, man, you're going to be like a top five NBA player all time. Maybe don't risk hurting yourself. So basketball was easier for him. That's my point. Football's harder than basketball.

Run around, make a couple baskets. You can play in the NBA. It is not that simple. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right.

Well, Tom Brady, he's doing us all favors. Tom Brady and LeBron doing us favors, throwing us some extra stories this week. So Tom Brady announced he will be releasing a nine-part docu-series in 2021 called Man in the Arena. In the series, Brady will. give a firsthand account of the pivotal moments and challenges in his 20-year career. It's going to be one of those, like how to be good at football? Include.

I don't want that. I want controversy. Including an inside look into the six Super Bowl wins and three losses. Am I going to get good video on this stuff? I'm sure there's great video. He said, I have quoted Theodore Roosevelt's Man in the Arena speech since I saw it painted on our weight room wall at UM in 1995. It's a constant reminder to ignore the noise. buckle my chin strap and battle through whatever comes my way.

We're showing some video of the teaser for the man in the arena. Listen, you've got to give me some sizzle on this stuff. It can't be a bunch of here's how you're a good quarterback. Eat avocado ice cream. I'm not turning in for that. I agree with you. If you're going to ignore deflategate, if you're going to ignore any of the controversies, then there's really no point in doing this.

Who's going to interview him? Well, I mean, he's going, much like the last dance, he's going clearly going to have creative control over this. Well, I don't have a problem with that. I want somebody to ask tough questions. Me. You're going to ask the tough questions. I don't think there's a more qualified journalist in America. Journalists.

Well, whatever you call me. Wait. I don't do flop. Would you really ask Tom Brady those, like, really tough questions, though? Hell yeah. Because you love Tom Brady. I love him, but I can get very, I can ask tough questions. You ask tough questions of lots of people.

Everybody. I brought T.O. Yes, you asked stuff questions of everyone. I would bring Westbrook on the set tomorrow. If you were to interview him for this. Because, I mean, maybe they haven't finished all of it yet. What is something that you would, like, if you knew Tom Brady was going to give you a straight 100% factual, true answer, like truth serum, you could ask him one question. What would it be? Well, if I could ask him one question, but on the deflate gate, I'd say, why did you get rid of your phone?

I don't love that. It's a fair question. And then I'd press him four or five different times. on it. He's going to, like we have designed the universe that he must answer this question truthfully. Yeah, listen, I like Brady, but I get so much crappy fluff all the time from people. I watch a lot of these shows like mine.

It's just nothing but fluff. This show has no fluff. We are not about fluff. We're not about fluff. We ask questions. I bring my enemies on the show. Baker Mayfield, Couch is yours. Westbrook.

Couch is yours. Well, it's the only way to be. But I'm saying, I'm asking tough questions. This show really is like. like the McNeill-Layer report of sports. It is journalism. That is a fair question. Although I think that he probably destroyed his phone

because he didn't want everyone to have everything that was on his phone. That would be a fair answer. So the question you're dying to ask him is about a little bit of pressure in a football. No. He will buckle under the heat of that. That's not the question I'm interested in. You ask me if there was, if there's one question to ask him, I can't think of it right now. But I would ask him a question on that.

But that's a good question on that. Yeah. I think people would want to know the answer to that. I'm not going to ask him, do you use Verizon? Or do you, like, you know, that's your typical journalist, petrified of the big, the big subject. Not this guy. No. That's a good question, though.

I think that's fair. So the Lions are going into the second season of their current offensive system. And Matthew Stafford knows how much of an advantage that is, especially this year. It doesn't hurt to be in the second year of an offense and not trying to learn something new or not trying to be a rookie, you know, quarterback or a second year guy coming in. So that definitely, I feel like, you know, is a positive for us as a team and for myself. And when I get out there and throw it with those guys and when I get chances to work with them, I feel like I can, you know, teach him as good as our coaches can on what we're looking for and what they need to do. So that's an advantage for us.

You know, I'm hoping that that shows up on Sundays. And he's certainly right. Anyone who is coming back with the same quarterback coach system is going to be at an advantage this year. because they're not, on top of not having to be a rookie to learn how to play in the NFL. They are already coming back in the same system. Why does McIntyre like the Lions so much? I don't get that. Yeah, he's very high in the Lions.

I don't understand it. Like, what do you like? The coach is 922 and 1 in the league. I don't get it. This is a, I don't know. Is this year really a pressure year for any coach based off of how we're going to be starting the season? I don't think so. I don't like their O line.

I don't understand what he likes. If I don't like your O line and your coach, I'm out. I don't care about your quarterback. I mean, nothing against Matt Patricia, but hasn't shown an ability. He can't even get along with his defensive guys. Darius Slay left. I mean, I don't really ever love the Lions, but I do think that any team that's bringing back the same personnel is going to be at an advantage this year. So finally, the Cowboys made some strong additions to their team this off season.

Former Cowboy DeMarcus Ware thinks the team has all the pieces to make a big jump this season. I think on paper, they are better from what you see by name, right? but not by production. I want to see how those guys are going to all come together after this COVID-19. I mean, it could be one of those things where there's a shock factor, and they come out blazing,

which that's what we all want, especially, like, just a draft. The draft class, it's like ridiculous what they brought in. So they have all the pieces to really have an amazing team this year. And we'll see. You can't disagree with you about the Cowboys this year.

Well, he's a former cowboy. They can't stop anybody. NFC's got too many good offenses. I mean, just look at the NFC South. Brady, Breeze, Bridgewater. Well, I mean, you got it in your division first, and it just comes down to the Cowboys or the Eagles. I mean, we don't expect much from Washington this year.

I'm not going to expect much from the Giants this year. So it comes down to the Cowboys and the Eagles, and that really, to me, is contingent upon if Carson Wednesdays healthy. That's fair. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Line News. So apparently yesterday in the NFL, there's this thing going around. It's called Logo Association where you put an NFL logo up and what is the first name or the first player you think of. So we're going to do this. Joy and I are going to do this next. It'll be interesting because generationally, you'll probably think of much different players, I would think. I don't know. I'm kind of old school.

All right. Petty and old school. Good qualities to be it on the show. So that's coming up and best for last. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. All right, best for last today. Joy and I are going to play game. There's this thing going on on on the internet. It's logo association. You put a logo up. And we did this earlier this morning at the meeting. And I haven't seen yours yet. And just the first name that comes out. And it's interesting to me because there's one franchise.

I really struggled with. And it just nothing came out. And so, and then I finally gave it a thought. But usually it was within a second. I just thought. So we play the game just first name. So you're ready to go? So let's play the game.

All right. Who's the first person you think of when you see the New England Patriots logo? Tom Brady. Tom Brady. That's not even. And again, he's been playing 20 years there. That may be stronger than any single player with any team. What about the Miami Dolphins?

Dan Marino. Sorry, Jason, I love you. It is Dan Marino. But I'm from Pittsburgh. He's a pit guy. Like, I love Dan Marino from before he was at all. Is it your brother also from Pittsburgh? Yes.

I wasn't old enough to remember him as a, you know, Pittsburgh Pantos. Marino looks like Miami. He's got the tan. He'd be on TV. He had the tan. He talked about Miami. That's also fairly, I don't think of my brother as a football player. Like, he did play football.

But, like, I think of him as my brother. brother, so. All right, fair. Don't be mad, Jay. The New York Jets. Sam Darnold. Joe Namath. I don't know.

Darnold's the future of the Jets. Namath played for a couple of teams. Namath is more famous. Sam Darnold, why you guys laughing at me? He's the future of the Jets. If Sam Darnold can't, if the Jets can't surround Sam Darnold, disband the franchise.

Move it to Piscataway. I shouldn't say there's a wrong answer. If you said Adam Gase, I would probably tell you that's the wrong answer. He definitely not Adam Gage. All right, what about the Baltimore Ravens? Ray Lewis. I don't even think of offensive players.

Honestly, I thought Ray Lewis than Ed Reed. Yeah, Ed Reed is a slight second, but yeah, Ray Lewis. Tony Saragusa came to mind. I don't even think, honestly, I do not even think offensive players are them. Shannon Sharp. I think Denver. Yeah, no, of course. He's more Denver, yes.

The Pittsburgh Steelers. Big Ben for me, Mean Joe Green was second. Jerome Bettis. Troy Palomalo a second. I get it. I've watched Big Ben play in so many big AFC games. No, but by the way, you can make the argument, Jerome Bettis really symbolically is more Steeler than Big Ben.

Big Ben's a lot of drama. Steelers are mostly tough. He's the bus. That's a good one. This should be an easy one. What about the Indianapolis Colts? Peyton Manning. He's like Griffey to the Mariners.

You can't. I just see, even when he was in Denver, The helmet looked wrong. It didn't look right. I'm actually kind of surprised you didn't say Andrew luck. It makes me sad. I want to be a happy person.

That ending was not good for me. No, it wasn't. How about the Kansas City Chiefs? Patrick Mahomes. Tony Gonzalez. I just, I am, it's... I mean, yeah, Tony's good. That's fine. You have some odd recency bias.

You do. Well, you asked me the first thought. It's Patrick Mahomes. That's not the wrong answer. That's probably the right answer. Ray Lewis has been out for a long time. Marino's been out for a long time. Donald's pretty fresh.

What about the Denver Broncos? John Elway. You like produce? How do you like those apples? You told me I had recency bias. John Elway, number seven. Yeah, but he's still there, and he's like the face of the franchise still.

You can't, you cannot, there is no other answer for this. No. This is the only answer for this question. John Elway. The Las Vegas or then Oakland or Los Angeles Raiders. I grew up with Kenny Stabler. Number two would be Fred Bolitnikoff. Stabler looked like the Raiders.

He was disheveled. He looked like he wouldn't tuck his shirt in and he was drinking the night before. John Gruden. Gruden's a... Yeah. But I mean, Kenny Stabler literally, his uniform, it looked like...

You know how the Raiders always looked like an unmade bed of a franchise? They're kind of like they didn't tuck the shirts in. I am not an unmade bed person. I make my bed every morning. To perfection. I haven't made mine since I was seven. What?

I don't. All right, this is a tough one. Dallas Cowboys. This is a tough one. Not for me, Troy Aikman. Michael Urban. If you said, what does a Dallas cowboy look like?

Wouldn't it look like? Have you ever seen Akeman without his helmet on, like, up close to it? No, no, no. He's the perfect cowboy quarterback, of course. Like, we're almost too quirky. But when I think of the cowboys, I just think of, like, flash.

That's true. You know, the playmaker. Akeman looks like. like America's quarterback. That's what America's quarterback would look like. Absolutely. Troy Aikman would look like a... My mom would be upset.

I didn't say Emmett Smith, but... Yeah. Romo half the time, I think golf and announcing. Yeah. I mean, seriously, I'm like, I still watch Aikman, and he looks like a player and sounds like a player. Can't argue with that. Yeah.

Philadelphia Eagles. Reggie White. Oh. Now, I almost want Harold Carmichael, but nobody in this audience would know who it is. Reggie White is the best defensive lineman ever. Yeah. Yes, I SOTO.

His YouTube videos embarrass people. Like he would, no, I'm not serious. Reggie White took 300-pound men and tossed him around like croutons and a salad bowl. There are pieces of video where he just grabs 300-pound men and throws them. Reggie White is one of the greatest all-time players, period, any position. Oh, he's top five. Yeah. Absolutely.

That's God strength. That, like, is there's something about, like. But he was just like a, he's just a legend. Like he, when you think of, when you define a legend of the NFL. Mythical. Yes. Like mythical strength. Yes.

Funny that Joy mentioned T.O. only spent two years in Philly, which I thought there was longer. What about the Giants? Lawrence Taylor. Yeah. I said L.T. too. And he's had enough controversy. First of all, they were their best they ever were when he was there.

And he was the best player. And he's, he's still talking. I mean, he's still in articles. He's just, Lawrence is. Well, also he's just, he's probably like how we talk about Reggie. LT changed the league. Like he changed. We talk about in basketball, like,

revolutionizing the game all the time. That's what LT did. Oh, there's no question. You know, he went to a basketball school. He went to North Carolina. I think he was a tight end initially. I mean, they didn't, you know, they didn't quite know what to do.

And that he would become the greatest defensive player of all time. Isn't that who Belichick always says is the greatest player of all time? If you ask Belichick about anybody, he's always like, well, there's no, there's no Lawrence Taylor. Like, I mean, it's almost like he's in. I mean, he would. argue there are quarterbacks I can play with Brady.

But if you ask Belichick about Lawrence, he's like, well, there's not. He's insulted that you would ask. He's so much better than everybody else. Chicago Bears. Walter Payton. Mike Dicka won Walter Payton. Dick could play, Dick could coach. Yeah, no, Dicka, of course.

Even that outfit he's wearing. Walter Payton, Walter Payton would be second. Walter was great. My answer is not as good as yours. Sweetness. This is not a wrong answer. Dicka is a perfect answer. You know what's amazing about Walter Payton?

He had lousy offensive lines. He had one lineman Noah Jackson. They had bad old lines, and he was great. That's when you're great when you don't have anybody blocking for you. Sweetness. New Orleans Saints. Drew Breeze, I think. The Katrina thing.

Reggie Bush? Yeah. All right. I think when Breeze won and he had his little son next to it. Yeah, with the headphones. The Breeze is probably the right answer. They were a mess for a long time. Like, people forget this.

You think of the Saints now as winners. They were the Clippers. I mean, for like 30 years, they were the clippers. That's what happens when you get the right cultural pieces in there. Turn things around. All right, we got three left. Let's go quick. San Francisco 49ers.

Joe Montana. That's easy. Seattle Seahawks. Russell Wilson. Yes. Steve Largent second. Even growing up in Northwest, interesting. No, I mean, Steve Largent was, but Russell's totally defined it.

Last one, Green Bay Packers. Lynn Dickey. What? I don't know who Lynn Dickey is. Who is your favorite? It's not my favorite. It's what I think of. I think of Brett Favre.

That's no disrespect to Aaron Rogers, though. Yours is kind of a little more shot at Aaron Rogers. What is Aaron done that's memorable? You go back to the Lindykeke. He's like the fourth best Packers quarterback. You guys think it's a shot at Aaron Rogers? A little bit. Mine is at least reasonable.

I think it's a shot at Farv, Rogers and Bart Starr. He insulted a lot of people. Okay, I was just being a jerk. It'd probably be Rogers. No, it'd be Farb, I think, right? Yeah, Brett Farv is, he feels more... Close your eyes, what do you see? Brett Farv.

That's the way to do it. Close your eyes, I think I see Brett Farv. I mean, he kind of just feels, you know, he's like Green Bay. He's the helmet. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind,

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