The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The 'Boys and Girl - Thanksgiving Day Disaster; Michael Bennett Goes Off; Jerry Gets Emotional; Garrett Safe, For Now

Episode Date: November 29, 2019

On today’s episode of the 'Boys and Girl Podcast, Jane and Bobby discuss the fallout from the Cowboys' disappointing Thanksgiving loss to the Bills, Michael Bennett going off in the locker room after the game, Jerry Jones' emotional postgame comments, Jason Garrett being granted a temporary stay of execution by Jerry, and where the team goes from here. Follow Jane and Bobby on Twitter and subscribe to get all the latest inside information from two of the most connected people in the Cowboys’ community. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome in to the Boys and Girl podcast with Cowboys NFL Network reporter Jane Slater and NFL network producer Bobby Bell. A Cowboys community with the inside scoop on the Dallas Cowboys. Now coming straight to you from the Lone Star State, here's Jane and Bobby. Do you believe in redemption? I'm going to be a man. Do you believe in redemption? Yes.

I am a redemption man too. So I think that you can change to some degree who you are. Jerry, they got baptized last week. It may be in there bother you. Okay. And it may bring the cold sweats out when you're having to fight. They were born again last week. But I've seen people thwart their demons and still have productivity.

All right, look, Jerry, I don't go to church every Sunday, but I absolutely do believe in redemption. I believe in good comeback stories. But as I joked a little tongue-in-cheek, or as Jerry Jones likes to say, I'm not trying to be trite, they were baptized last week. Jerry Jones dipped them in the holy water and said, I've exalted you of your past sins, so to speak. But it's time to be born again a winning team. And they certainly didn't do that against a Buffalo Bills team who came in here, eight and three.

No, and it had such a promising start. The offense seemed to be clicking so well. They scored that opening touchdown. It's just the second one they've had all year. And the offense seemed to be heading for a second touchdown before, you know, things stall out. and then you have turnovers and missed field goals. And by the fourth quarter, it takes a garbage time touchdown

to even add anything onto the board other than your first touchdown drive. So it seemed like such a promising start. It seemed like a game that I think after the first quarter, we've talked so much about their negative point differential in the first quarter and how they tend to dominate in the second through fourth. And in this game, they were plus seven in the first quarter.

They were up seven, nothing at the end of the first quarter, one of the few times this year. And the rest of the way they got to be done. get outscored 26 to 8. And it's a bunch of inexcusable mistakes. I mean, the one that stands out to me, just the prime example of this evening was the fourth and goal play where they need a touchdown, like the game is on the line, and you throw this swing pass out to Zieg, and Dak, for some reason, just like short arms it.

And it falls at his feet, and it's a yard out in front of him. And it's like, this just doesn't seem like a team that's focused at all. And if we sound a little flat tonight, it's because we're exhausted. I mean, we've been here when we're recording this podcast since, you know, 7 o'clock this morning. Yeah, this is like, yeah, well, I mean, we got up at five. This is our, I think, yeah, this is our 16. Well, we thought we'd do this podcast, though, because we thought that it was important to come to you with some fresh thoughts. Literally, as we're here at AT&T Stadium after this game, we can dive into all the things that the teams did.

But the team did tonight. But Bobby, I really just want to break down and dissecting. this Jerry Jones thing. To peel the curtain back a little bit, there's a lot going on after the game, and I'll set you up. Jerry Jones is walking towards the locker room. He does not look happy.

Obviously, the teams, their heads are down as they head into the locker room, and then we hear this loud outburst from the locker room, and we can't identify who it is, except I'm hearing F-bombs, and we're all sort of, you know, it's sort of like you hear somebody yelling in the other room, and you're trying to, like, get your ear up

against the door, except they have security that's blocking us off with these ropes as we wait for the Jerry Jones scrum. And we later find out that the guy that has now become their raw, raw man of sorts, the same guy that led this impassioned speech ahead of the Detroit Lions game. Michael Bennett, the one rallying the troops after yet another disappointing loss. And again, another loss to a winning team. They are now 0 in 5, Bobby. I just think it's fascinating that the guy that has been here,

literally for a cup of coffee is the guy that's trying to rally this team following yet another disappointing loss. And as Clarence Hill of the Fort Worth Start Telegram put it, it just feels like a broken record. Yeah. And I mean, we've said this for weeks now. And again, because it does sound like a broken record, I think they're just as confused as to what the issues are. And they all seem equally angry at times and they all seem equally frustrated by it. And I mean, Zieg tonight was, you know, he stood up there.

He said, you know, that the mood in the locker room was, we're pissed. And he said, we're pissed like three times, I think. And then, you know, you ask Jalen Smith what he thinks. And he used some colorful language to add on to what Zeeke said. And, you know, they all seem upset and they seem mad and they seem, you know, like they want to get things turned around. And they're frustrated that they can't seem to identify what is the root of this problem. and I think at the end of the day,

the thing you have to say, and they don't want to say it. The only retort they have back to it is, no, that's not it. And they don't really have anything else to say, but at the end of the day, you just got to look at this and say, it's the head coach.

And the head coach in his post-game comments, you know, as I'm looking through them, Bobby, it's just time after time. He's like, we've got to be better. We've got to learn from the experience. We've got to, you know, do it different. It wasn't consistent enough. We'll get back to work tomorrow.

We have to channel the passion and get ready for the next challenge. It does not matter what the question is, the opening question of the press conference. The answer will always be one of two. Yeah, obviously we didn't do a good enough job or, yeah, obviously, we didn't do that well enough. It's something, and I think if you look at the quote sheet, I think he said something well, obviously, we didn't do a good enough job. But, I mean, that's the, it's all canned. And I know we get a different guy in front of us than the guys in the locker room get.

And the message to us is not the same as the message to the team. But, you know, why does Michael Bennett have to go in there? Why does Michael Bennett, a veteran who has been around contending teams? Why does Michael Bennett see this as, I need to step up and I need to say something? What is Michael Bennett diagnosing about that locker room that he says, this needs to be a player speaking up? That there needs to be fire, Bobby. Because, you know, you're hearing Ezekiel Elliott. He uses words like, you know, he's pissed.

Right now we're pissed off. We know what type of team we are. We have to put that on. We haven't put that on the field at all this year, so we're pissed off. Okay. Yeah. The fans are pissed off too. Yeah.

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there's probably 20 reporters cameras deep. And I mean, it's Jerry, it's almost like you get claustrophobic. He's even got a security guard out there because everyone sort of storms him. And we're all sort of expecting frustration, anger. You know what we got instead? Excuses. No. Padding.

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And this is where this thing took a turn for me. It has been an emotional roller coaster of a week. We saw angry Jerry against the Patriots, right? Not just against the Patriots. In two, three interviews after the Patriots. Okay. So then before the game, let me read the statement that he said to 105 The Fan, because I was incredulous when he said this to you, Bobby.

I said, wait, he said what? He said, you won't find anybody that knows how to do all the things to coach football any better than Jason Garrett does. He's a master. Well, the master was not masterful and their loss to the bills on Thanksgiving night, 2615 loss. But let's go on and let's revisit some of the things he said after the game. Before we even get into that, though, just to speak to this point of you won't find anybody who does a better job of all the other things. Okay, then why have we heard glowing reviews from you postgame

about how much better Mike Zimmer's team was prepared than Jason Garrett's team or how much better Bill Belichick did to prepare his team than Jason Garrett's team? You clearly don't believe that because in your comments after all these losses to winning teams, you are consistently talking about how great the coaching staff on the other field is. All right, well, let's

hear what he had to say about Jason Garrett. When someone asked, you've been very vocal of your support of Jason over the years and very harsh in your criticisms this week, where do you stand now on his job security. This is not the time. For me, I'm looking ahead at another ball game,

and I'm looking ahead. It went in four or five straight, five straight, and helping write a story that they'll talk about how it looked like you were down and out and got it done. And I mean that. I mean that. That's the way that I'm operating. Every decision that I make over the next month

will be with an eye and mind to get us in the Super Bowl now. And I would normally say you're really smart. talking something. I normally would say that, but I know the room, and I see the room, and I'm the one that okayed and put the coaches that are in that room in there. And I believe in this group, that certainly was something that causes you to have to check because you have to reach deep to find out what you're thankful for. That's what that does. All right. Then I pressed him. I said, okay, well, he still believes that this is a team that has the opportunity to turn things around, Bobby, I said, but you guys are 0-in-5 against winning teams.

What gives you to confidence that you're going to win out and get to a Super Bowl at this point? Here's what he said to that. I don't know that I would inject confidence anywhere in this thing relative to just the hanging on the mathematical chance. But hanging on the fact that that group of people in there, I know that at various times over the last several years, I thought they were absolutely exactly what I wanted to be in the room with as a part of a team. And so I'm based on that. Those names have a change. So do you think it helped or hurt to call him out publicly this week ahead of this game?

Well, I sure didn't think it would hurt or help. I was talking about an assessment from my perspective. I want to say this one more time. Everybody here knows that Jason and everybody out there wouldn't be out there had I not okayed it or did it. And so I really have earned a right to sit here and talk about what we didn't do, how we didn't do it, because we all know that it's a part of a critique of me. But I will say this. We sure have.

I've been told all my life adversity gives you an opportunity to really write a healthy. of a story about how to come back. And he just, he truly believes in his own story. I think what he sometimes think, this is what I think, I'm just trying to diagnose Jerry Jones and what I heard there, I think sometimes because he is willed into existence, the improbable in his life, the kid that came from grocery store owners in Arkansas that was able to buy a franchise that everyone told him was a mistake, to drill wells, that everyone said he wasn't going to strike gold to win a Super Bowl within a few years of owning this team.

That's Jerry Jones. That's his makeup. That's what Jerry Jones is capable of doing. I think sometimes he thinks a roster of 53 men and the head coach is capable of doing the same thing. And I love that about him. I do. I truly love that about him. He sees the good in everybody.

You heard him earlier. He said he's a redemption man. It's like he walked in that locker. room and he remembered his days playing at Arkansas. And he got emotionally, felt like he was one of those football players. That if he could, he would have strapped on a helmet. He felt like he was with a band of brothers again.

And so he wanted to show that he's their teammate. He needs to be the owner and the GM. His problem over the years has been what I love about him and what I think fans loathe about him is that he's able to inject so much emotion and such a personal

connection of these things that sometimes I think it blurs what needs. needs to be done. Yeah, I think that's fair. And I also think that, you know, and we hear it in that audio, and you can see it in the transcribed comments that Jerry talks about the whole redemption thing and wouldn't this be a hell of a story. It's like, what are you trying to do?

Are you trying to tell stories or you're trying to win games? Why is the way the story is? Why is that important to you? Why is that what you have to sell to the public right now? It's because you can't sell them a winning football team. You have to then sell them on the potential for what a great story this can be. Well, you know what the other side of that is? It can also be a terrible story because what you're looking at right now is if Philadelphia beats you, it's in a couple weeks, you're, you probably have lost the division because they don't have, they have a cupcake scheduled the rest of the way.

And you have as many losses as Philadelphia does now. And again, I just, and he even admitted that some of this doesn't come from confidence, that he doesn't, that he's not injecting confidence is what he said. that he's not basing this on a mathematical equation. He has a hopeless romantic about his football team. He's basing it on the men in the room. Will you challenge the men in the room to get a win at home on Thanksgiving night, backs against the wall against another winning team? And what did they do?

They laid an egg. They disappointed you. Those men that you believed in disappointed you. What makes you think they're going to turn this thing around and go down this final stretch in December? And not only that, because Jerry's not telling us they're just going to win the division again. He's telling us he believes that they can beat the 49ers, that they can beat the New Orleans Saints. All you had to do was beat the Buffalo Bills. You couldn't even beat the New York Jets.

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haven't had all the momentum at home. Yeah. No, and I mean, we, there was this moment in there where Jason at the opening of the second quarter goes for it on fourth and inches inside his own 20, which that is the... So early in the game. That is at home, you're winning early in the game. I mean, there is nothing, even analytically, which there's been a big discussion about analytics recently, analytically or just common sense wise, like generally you don't, you would not go forth there. Just the risk is too great at that time. And he did. And that's because that's a guy

who senses that his job is genuinely on the line. And so I just find it frustrating because, you know, let's look at who they've lost games to the teams that they've lost to this year who have winning records. The New Orleans Saints. Sean Payton, one of the ones that got away. The Minnesota Vikings, Mike Zimmer, one of the ones that got away. The Green Bay Packers, Matt LaFleur, showing that a new head coach can bring energy to a veteran head coach that is, you know, his message has run dry with that veteran ball club. And I think that that's probably been something that's been a lot of the reason for Jerry's comments, I think, is. And, you know, then he's talking reflectively about running into Bill Belichick at a ski resort and then he loses to them. It's funny that in all these games against winning teams where they're losing them, they're almost losing to these coaches that have gotten away from Jerry.

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And I think he said something similar. of that before. And he, he wants him to succeed. He believes that he can succeed. And I'll put my hand up. I've, I'm a fan of Jason Garrett. For years, I was like, he's close. He just needs better players. For a long time, I thought they had aging players. They held on to veteran players for too long. That all Jason really needed was he needed a firmer grip on picking some of these players and needed a youth infusion. Well, now that he's gotten it all, I've run out of excuses for, for Jason Garrett. I look ridiculous when I'm trying to defend the guy. And unfortunately, as Jerry was standing there talking to all of us reporters, I wish you could have looked around that media scrum.

You know, we talked about him trying to inject enthusiasm into this new stock that he's, you know, this new energy company, comp stock that he's gotten involved in. That's how I felt. I felt like he was in a room full of investors trying to sell us on the cowboys and their ability to get to the Super Bowl. And you should have seen the faces. All of us looked at him and almost at times we kind of laughed to see Jerry what are you doing Jerry you can't sell us on this right now no and it's and you know he just kept going back to Bobby he kept going back to this team is relatively healthy you know the contenders you know they may not necessarily uh continue to win out we're waiting for them to slip up uh and that you know I believe in the guys in their room I just and I and that's a that's

become a tired line honestly and it's one of Zikiel L.A tried to push tonight of you know we know the men in this room. Okay, well, you know, that's done nothing for you through 12 games now. And I'm wondering if now, you know, when you hear Jerry talking so romantically about things, I wonder if it's going to have to reach a point that it seemed to at least from the outside have reached with Tony Romo on his way out and Des Bryant on his way out. Is the divorce from Jason Garrett going to have to be a push from Stephen Jones pushing Jerry to do it? Is Jerry going to come to that conclusion on his own, or is Stephen going to have to be the one to take charge on that answer?

I know he is, but I also think that Stephen is. I've talked to Stephen about this. I don't feel like Steven's nearly as... He's a Jason man. But I don't feel like Stevens nearly as... Emotionally attached? Yeah, I think he's more clear-headed and can say, I may love this guy or this may be a friend of my,

but like, this has run its course. And I just, I wonder if that's where it's going to have to come from. I expected... Jerry to say a lot of things tonight. I thought he was going to be pissed. Yes. To your point, I did not expect tears in his eyes talking about this football life that they've shared together and that he's got his back and that he believes in this team and they're going to write a hell of a comeback story. I think it threw all of us for a loop. if you're and we talked about this up here in the press box during the game but

I'm not saying he's not going to all the very indication we have is that it's going to get done but I do wonder you know if you're a Mark Cooper why would you hang around that's a good point through 12 games and you see what this is and their willingness to dig in on things that are seemingly detrimental or are in a constant state of neutral. And for the first time this week, he wasn't, he's always a quieter guy. He's always a fair guy in the media that Mari Cooper is.

But, you know, this week was the first time where it almost sounded a little bit like he was kind of frustrated with how they were using him in the offense and that he wasn't getting some of the touches. And, you know, he said, you know, it's kind of hard to dominate a game when you get two targets. And, you know, well, that's not up to me. I don't think it's my. I mean, he couched it. He was very respectful about it.

But I mean, that was about as annoyed as I think you're ever going to see a Mario Cooper get. And to me, it's like, why would you hang around for this when you see they're willing to just continue to batter their head against the wall? Well, it's funny that you say that because Jerry did say something along the lines of like, are all pro guys that should get the ball, need to get the ball. In other words, I have to wonder if Jerry's going to get in there and be like, why isn't Ezekiel Ezekiel Elliott?

running the ball more. Why aren't we throwing to Amory Cooper more? Which there seemed to be a concerted effort early in this game to get Cooper the ball. It felt like they were trying to... Well, think about it. That's why that drive kicked off. Yeah. No, and I mean, he was great tonight. Got hurt,

hurt his knee, set in the locker afterwards, that he was going to get an X-ray on his knee, that they were going to evaluate it more tomorrow when you're listening to this podcast. That'll be today. So today, when you're hearing this, we should have a fuller picture on Amari Cooper's health as he's supposed to get it looked at. But, I mean, he was, in fact, we'll play that audio real quick what he had to say

because he described this loss tonight as devastating. And here's what he had to say. I mean, it's very disappointing. You know, just with everything that's at stake where we are in the season. And a loss in general is just very disappointing to lose in this fashion where we are. It's just devastating. But, you know, we're... We still have a lot of hope.

We've got four games left. It's a lot we can accomplish. That's a guy who is exhausted. And I get the feeling that there are a lot of guys in that locker room who are exhausted. And I don't know why that exhaustion doesn't seem to permeate to the front office at times, that they're willing to do. I've wondered if Jerry just feels like he was too quick. on the trigger in the past that after Jimmy left, he didn't ride things out.

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I mean, if you listen to every single one of these players, talk about Coach Garrett. I mean, here is Amari Cooper saying, you know, he's a great coach. He puts us in a position that we need to be in to go out there and execute the win to win the ball game. We just couldn't get it done today as players. And, you know, they continue to say that. But, okay, when I hear you explaining, you know, it's our execution. Well, okay, to me, there are two answers. either you need to move on from Jason Garrett or you need to hit the nuke button on a good majority of your roster.

Because if these are players who consistently three-fourths of the way into the season can't execute, can't prepare, okay, well, those are guys who don't need to be on this football team then. And if you're seeing similar mistakes, I just want to know the level of accountability. And I mean, Michael Bennett clearly felt the need to hold people accountable. Do these players fear the coach? They feared Bill Parcells. when I covered this team, they feared Bill Parcells. Yeah, and I don't know that I think that they're, I think.

You know, when you see players come over on the sidelines, like some of Sean Payton's players, they'll come over and they're literally, because we're looking at Saints and Falcons, they will literally come over to the sidelines with their hands, like literally covering their face because they know that they are literally about to get it handed to them. And that's, I don't get that feeling. I think, I think it just depends, though, because I mean, I think, you take a guy like Tony Dungey. Dungey's one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game, and players didn't fear Dungey. Dungey was a player's coach and a guy that players connected with,

but Dunjy was a better football man than Jason Garrett is. I'll tell you this though right now. Though, Bobby, even if he were to let Jason have gone tonight, as we kick it around with all the beat reporters up here, there's not one definitive guy that would have made sense to be the interim head coach to help get this team through the rest of the season. No, and I've wondered who they would go with that. The name that I've come up with before, and I know we've talked about it,

whether he wants it or not is another thing. But I've thought Rod made sense just because he's had head coaching experience before. I just don't know if Marinelli wants that. Although, you know what? I would say, probably not, though, because I don't think he's ever been a head coach before. But I was going to say,

Nussmeyer might make some sense, given that then he could just kind of oversee but I mean it's nobody really makes sense but and I think that's a problem Jerry talked about it tonight he says he goes home and he puts together a list of pros and cons and it was funny because we asked him all right well what are the pros right now I think that I think Jerry talking about redemption story and what a comeback story and things like that I think that he recognizes that there is four to five games left in Jason Garrett's tenure with the Dallas Cowboys, and he is hoping against hope that he's wrong. And he's saying, this could be a great comeback story, because he knows that if it's not a great comeback story, it's the end, I think. And so I think that right now it's just, I think he's dealing with the stages of grief almost. I think that might explain some of the harsh comments this week. And today it's just kind of, you know,

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And there is still this possibility that they could finish this season with a winning record and still be first in their division. I have a hard time. Thanks to the NFC least. I mean, at this point, I have a hard time seeing them beating Chicago, L.A. or Philadelphia. Really? I have a hard time. Given what we've seen from this team the last few weeks, that was something I asked a few people tonight. Well, you thought before this game, you thought I just,

I had a feeling. I just, I don't know what it was, Bobby. I just didn't think they're going to pull this one off. I just thought they, I thought they would be more motivated given what had been said. We had that issue at different points earlier in the season where it seemed like,

you know, they were, the Philly game was an example of that. It seemed like they responded. And so I thought that generally, okay, they need to get put in a corner again. Here it is.

Here's the response. And the fact that they fell flat tonight makes me wonder, you know, we say, and it's hard to say, only to look back, I think and watch the game. game again and get a better sense of it. But it is, did we see them getting beat down tonight,

or did we see them quitting on their coach and quitting on this football team and quitting on the, it felt to me that they didn't feel like they're making those heroic comebacks like they had it felt like at the very least the defense in the second half was quitting. They kept get when generally if you were consistent and I think Buffalo hit like seven straight third down attempts when that's happening. That to me is an effort issue. You shouldn't be able to, with normal effort, normal talent on both sides. Like, generally no team should have the luck of executing seven straight third down attempts, especially when a lot of them are third and seven and third and nine and things like that.

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