The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Colin Cowherd Podcast - Prime Cuts 6/19/21

Episode Date: June 19, 2021

The best of The Colin Cowherd Podcast. Colin rants about why the Aaron Rodgers/Packers dispute seems so intense (:45), why people need to get over these NBA injuries (3:35), and why sports TV ratings don't actually matter (6:30). Gary Payton joins the show and lets us know what Ben Simmons needs to do to save his career in Philly, and Gary goes right back at Michael Jordan about his comments from "The Last Dance" (10:20), plus Doug Gottlieb on why he doesn't like the new college football playoff proposal (25:28). Make sure to follow Colin and The Volume on Twitter, Instagram and YouTube for the latest content and updates, and check out FanDuel for the best wagering and daily fantasy action! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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over his comments in the last dance, Doug Gottlieb on why he doesn't like the idea of a 12-team college football playoff for several reasons and some insight in Aaron Rogers. But first, my top takes of the week. You know, I was thinking about this Packers Rogers situation, and you look at it. And one of the reasons it's so upsetting is because Green Bay never gets any drama. Green Bay has had drama exactly twice in the last 15 years. Brett Farr of drama and Aaron Rogers' drama. They're two biggest stars. This is incredibly typical for every other major city in the country.

Green Bay, though, is a small town. It's not a leader of industry. They historically have not been a star-driven franchise. But if you really look at Wisconsin, Milwaukee, Green Bay, The Packers have made four NFC championship games in recent memory. The Bucks run a heated series with the Brooklyn Nets. The Brewers are tied with the Cubs for the National League Central lead. Wisconsin footballs won 10 games seven times in the past decade,

and the Badger Men's basketball team has several deep runs in the tourney. And they've all done this with only really Janus, Aaron Rogers, as marquee stars. The reality is, the more of them you have, the more drama you have. So actually, if there was some sort of winning superstar ratio, the state of Wisconsin probably wins more with fewer stars than any other state in the country. So that's why Rogers and the Packers seem so intense and over the top. This is not a star-driven state.

NBA free agents don't go to Milwaukee. They got to draft their way to the top. NFL free agents. don't go to Green Bay. They've got to draft their way to the top. Let's be honest about the brewers. It's overwhelmingly homegrown talent. Wisconsin Badgers never have a top 7, 8, 10 recruiting class, nor historically do they hire high-profile coaches. The Sabins do not end up with the Badgers. So this seems so extreme with Aaron Rogers. I live in Los Angeles. This is monthly, weekly stuff. what Milwaukee and Wisconsin should be proud of, who wins as much as this spot in the country

with this few stars and this little drama? It's unheard of. I could make the argument that if you included the Wisconsin Athletic Department, the Brewer's front office, the Buck's front office, and the Packers' front office, it may be the strongest four combined units in the country, upstairs. Listen, Aaron Rogers, he's a little prickly. This is part of having the occasional star. You know, there are people out there, random people, media fans saying there should be an asterisk by whoever wins the NBA championship because of all the injuries. Well, Tiger Woods, for about 11 to 12 years, was injured on the tour, some of it in his prime. should every golfer that won a PGA event have an asterisk next to his trophy? Listen, part of drafting, part of free agency.

When you draft and acquire free agents, you look at their body type. You look at their injury history. If you're Brooklyn and you acquire Kyrie Irving, he's been hurt since Duke. He was hurt in Cleveland. He missed games in Boston. Now he misses games in Brooklyn. They knew that. Brooklyn rolled the dice on a physically brittle player. Kevin Durant had been hurt multiple times.

Brooklyn rolled the dice on Kevin Durant's health. The Lakers rolled the dice on Anthony Davis's health. Anytime you draft players out of college, if you have a college quarterback that's been hurt twice, a lot of teams take him off the board. Injuries are a huge component to who NFL and NBA teams are drafting. Same with free agency. Just say it right now. If you want Joel M.B. and he goes to the market, it's not bad luck if you acquire him and he gets hurt twice over the course of three years. You rolled that dice. There's no secrets here. Nobody's rolling back the

odometer. I spent an entire NFL draft Friday in the Chargers War Room a couple years ago. And when I walked in, they had their board. This is top secret. And next to the board were black dots and red dots. And black dots meant undraftable because of character. And there were at least 25 players. Some were really high-end players I'd heard of. Next to that were red dots. Those were undraftable players due to injuries. So the Chargers, who have a pretty damn good roster, eliminated 50 to 60 players because of injuries or character. So I don't want to hear bad luck with a torn ankle, a meniscus. You look around this league right now.

The only guy who's hurt, who seemingly never hurt, is James Hardin. Hardin's a guy that gave you a good effort every night, did not miss game. Kyrie, Embed, LeBron last two years, Anthony Davis, Mike Conley, Clay Thompson, that's why they're not in there. Bad luck, good luck. Don't kid yourself. These front offices go over and over the health of players. They either draft or acquire. Buyer beware on previously brittle athletes. There's a cottage industry about like sports ratings. And they don't really matter. They matter for my show or they matter for Stephen A. Smith show because the higher ratings we get, That'll help us come contract time. But what you have right now is a race for content. It doesn't matter what the ratings are. The NFL was down last year and everybody had to pay twice as much

as their previous contract because you can't live without the NFL. Hockey has no audience. And I mean no audience, no television audience in America at all. It's got no radio audience. It doesn't really do anything on Twitter, social media. Both. Canadian and American broadcast deals are five times higher than 15 years ago. People need content. It doesn't matter what it is. When I hear about NBA ratings, whether they're good or bad, their next deal is going to be probably close to 50% higher than their previous deal.

But whenever you see this stuff on the Internet and these media critics, I understand their job. TV ratings really don't matter for sports. They don't. The NBA is down 35% over the last two years, but they're still getting 2.7 million, 3.3 million, 4.4 million for playoffs series. And there's a lot of mattress companies, Mountain Dew, Pepsi, travel companies, airlines, where there's no better place to put their ad and get eyeballs, especially in the NBA 18 to 39 years. year old eyeballs. What you find is the people that bring up ratings, generally there's some sort of political agenda. I mean, I always laugh at people that criticize the NBA ratings, and they say, well, it's the same teams winning every year. It's the same college football teams in the final five every year. You want to know who the four best college football teams are

going to be next year? Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, and Oklahoma. Shocker. During the Kaepernick situation. The NFL ratings were down six or seven percent, and the media just went bonkers. And my takeaway was, in television, they have what they call A, B, C, and D markets. D is very rural. A is cities. B are the burbs. C is outside of the burbs. And D is the country and rural. The Capernaic situation really hurt the D markets, the C and D markets. It didn't hurt the A and B markets, as they call them in TV. So if anybody's going to get hurt, the CIP markets, the C&D markets, it didn't Anybody's going to get hurt on ratings. It's not the sports.

It may be the networks because they can't charge as much for advertising, Fox, CBS, NBC. But the leagues are always going to get their money and the players are always going to get their money. Always. No exceptions. Baseball has been on a downward trajectory for 30 years. 30 years. When they're available, most of the networks bid on it. And now we've got new streaming services.

Amazon is now in the game. Amazon wasn't in the game 10 years ago. Apple could get in the game. So now you have more bidders and these tech companies, I mean, what's an expense for NBC is a rounding air for Amazon. I mean, these tech companies make, they have billion trillion-dollar weekends. I mean, you'll see these companies in Silicon Valley on a good week on the stock market.

It's a trillion-dollar week. We do not have those at network television. So enjoy the games. Don't worry about the ratings. The leagues always make their money and the athletes always make theirs. As somebody who grew up in the Pacific Northwest as a Sonics fan and as a Pac-12 basketball fan, Gary Payton goes beyond legend. A Hall of Famer, a nine-time All-Star, nine-times all-defense, NBA champ.

and his career is fascinating because he didn't go to your classic Kentucky Kansas basketball power. He was allowed to develop. And then he went to the Sonics and again was allowed to develop. Played every game, seven points a game, nine and a half points a game, 13 points a game. And Gary, it's interesting. I went today to your NBA career stats and I thought, hell, there are teams today that wouldn't be, may not have been patient with you. You were playing every game. But you started seven a game, nine a game, 13 a game. And then from that point forward for about 13 years,

you were a monster. Do you sometimes think to yourself, everybody is so impatient now? There's so many coaching firings now. You may have run through four coaches that you, your career may not be as great today, although you were a great three-point shooter, that see. Seattle's patience with you and the ability to develop was a huge part of your success over time. That's great. That's great. That's a great way to put it. Because the first two years of my career were off. I didn't have the right coach, which was Casey Jones. He was used to having the Boston subjects with the Larry Byrds, the McCales and stuff like that. He was used to players just going out there. We were young. Me and Sean Kent, we were young.

We were trying to get it. We were trying to understand the game. We didn't know it. We went against Michael Jordan, Isaiah Thomas, all them type of guys who were already veterans. And we were coming in their brash young kids that didn't know it. And we didn't know how to play. So they took time.

And then the athletes who were owning the team at the time did a great job with us. They asked us what do we need. We needed a change. And we got a change when we got George Call. and Tim Gergeridge, who came from the L.U.N.L.V., which is like a dad to me. And when he took me in, he took me back to Summer Leagues. And the Summer Leagues, when we were in Utah, when they were in L.A. at Loyola Maramont. And he made us play in our third year and a year, and a pro.

In the third year, the pros. I remember the time he took me into his hotel room. He had two TVs there. He had one with the Oregon. state where I played when I was playing in Oregon State and one when I was playing with Seattle before he got there. He made me watch both of them. It almost made me cry to see me play as Asani. I wanted to quit basketball.

But then when I looked at my sting at Oregon State, I said, that's Gary Payton. And he said, that's all I wanted you to say. Because we're going to throw this TV away, and this is how you're going to play from now on at Seattle. And that's what I start doing. and then everything took a change and it went from there. And to develop a player is better to me than anything to get the potential out of it because they might not be ready. Because I look at it in college now, Colin, and I see a lot of players that come out of the Dukes,

the North Carolina's, they're not ready. And they don't last in the NBA that long. And all of a sudden, you don't give them that chance. And then all of a sudden they get lost. And then we were there were guys that we was hoping that was going to be that way, but they weren't. You can't have a lot of Zion Williams. You can't. There's not a lot of them out there.

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By far. By far, what was a great point guard. Before Tony Parker became that point guard who got everything in the paint, you guys go back and look at Ross Strickland numbers. He was doing that before Tony Parker. He was getting to the paint

whenever he felt like it and scored. He was very strong. He was really crafty. And you thought about you can do things to him, but you couldn't. And you couldn't guard. like that. And I thought that they, oh, he was so underrated and didn't make all search him, but he was good. People are, wasn't, wasn't really aware. And right here now in my office,

I got Rod Strickland's jersey because I respect him that much and got his sign, right, by John Stockton. So I, you know, so these, I just think Ross strictly was very underrated and a very good point guard that I really didn't like the ball. By the way, was there a perennial all-star that you actually liked matching up with your body type. Every All-Star Guard I wanted to match up with. Kevin Johnson, Tim Hardaway, John Stockwood. I wanted to match up with every one of them because I wanted to be that number one point goal.

When I'm always, they're talking about, oh, you number two, you number three, I wanted to always be number one. And that's why I chased John Stockton down so much. And that's why I allies him now because he taught me a lot about being becoming the number one point guard. So I wanted everybody. Whoever was an All-Star, I didn't shy away from none of them. I mean, you're a classic. You come into the league. You have things to work on. You're coachable and you become a star. Then there's the opposite of you, which is Ben Simmons, who is 6-11, comes into the league almost as a prodigy, and appears to be indifferent about improving his game.

He can't shoot a free throw. I mean, you ended up being a very good score. But when I think of Gary Payton, I don't think, oh, he's Steph Curry. He's a natural shooter. You worked on it. Is Ben Simmons? Is he hopeless? Can you change a shot? Did you ever play with a guy that literally, first couple years in the league, you're like,

dude can't hit a free throw and became a great shooter. Is some of shooting, Gary, just natural? Some guys have a rhythm and some guys just naturally don't. That's who there it is right there, college. Some of us have a rhythm and some of us don't. I think what Ben Simmons' problem is, is that he's so good and he does stuff so well and nobody stops him, he doesn't think that he has to change or he has to shoot that shot

because he knows he can get to the basket. As you remember when he missed a free throws and he was hacking him and stuff like that, then he came back in Gang 3 and dominated that. Remember he had dunks, he had 20-some points, he was very confidence. His confidence was here. But when it gets down to here, he starts to be that player that he listens to everything. I think basketball is all about competence. As you said, Colin, I didn't come in the league as a great shooter.

They said that was my knock on me being drafted. Can he shoot? But what I did was I started working at it with Coach Gerb. And all of a sudden, when I shot it, I believed it was going in and I did it. But what I became was a score, not a shooter. I'm not a shooter. I'm a score. All I had to do was put that orange basketball between that orange

rim and people will understand what's going on. We have to stop him from doing that. And then when they start trying to do that, I put my game out, hit a couple of shots and giving threes. Now you're going to pull up on me. And then my game is going to the bucket and being quit. And that's all I had to do. But with Ben is, he is after work on his free throw shoes.

That's it. Being a point guard, I get you happily shoot 75% or above. to make them be respectful. I think that is disrespectful to play the shaka hack against him. And they think about it. You got to take him out the game, and he's one of your stars. I think he should take that personal, and I think he should go and work on it

and punish people every time they do that. Punish him, and go over there to the bench and look at them when you do that and say, keep following me because I'm going to keep getting more points. You know, it's funny. We've since found out that Michael Jordan was not always the greatest teammate. Scottie Pippson's got a new book out. When Michael took a shot at you, and it was just kind of Michael's confidence. That's how he talks. You didn't fire back. It didn't seem to penetrate. I don't know. I'm sure people have asked you, did it piss you off or did you just come to terms

with that's just Michael? That's just who he is. That's how he talks. Colin, I didn't care about that Because I tell everybody now, and now I've been commenting on it, if he didn't say that, I wouldn't respect him. I wouldn't respect him at all. I wouldn't even look at him anymore because he's a competitor like me. I look forward to guard him. You know what I'm saying? He laughed. I would have laughed the same thing because I don't think he could guard me.

So if he would have did that, I would have been like, please. You know what I'm saying? So it's a respect thing. I think Michael Jordan is great. You know what I'm saying? I love playing against him. But it's his show. He directed that.

Why would he say something to make him look like a fool? So I'm good. I'm good with it. I don't care about that. We can't bring the path back. I can't bring 1996 back. I wish that we would have did things different. And I would have guarded him earlier because we were to show it.

But as we all know, they want it. It is what it is. But I would have laughed too. You know what I'm saying? Because it is what I'm saying? because it is what it is. I'm still laughing because I know when he was guarding me, he couldn't guard me either.

Yeah, it's funny. You would have worked very well in today's game. You were an excellent three-point shooter. Again, you would have been, you know, a better Donovan Mitchell. And Donovan Mitchell's an All-Star. You know, Michael was never, he never had the range of Kobe. Michael was not, he was more Kauai Leonard. And by the way, Michael.

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You were a three-point shooter. You were what coaches look for. You were like Chris Paul, but a much better offensive player. When you really, when you look at Chris Paul in his prime, do you see a little of yourself? I see a lot. Colin, with him and Rondo, I basically praise them to right now. they're the only two point guards in the NBA right now. That's true point guards, period.

Point line. They're just true point guards. Everybody else, there's like two guards to me, point guards. They shoot and score the basketball. As you see what Chris Paul has done for the Phoenix Suns right now, you can't go and be six and two and sweep teams and sweep with a great Denver team, which has had the NPP on there, and Chris Paul comes back and have 37, 25, 28, and whatever, in 16, 17, 18 assists.

that's what he does for a basketball team. And yes, I probably have a better offensive game, but I think his office and game is coming right now. It's very coming. As you get older, you get better at offensive minded. You get better because you start doing things that you say, okay, I can't really do this no more. Let me start getting that fadeaway jump shot.

Let me get this jump shot. Let me pick my times when I need to do it. And Chris Paul is doing that. And as soon as I played him the first time, and Byron Scott was his coach and I went at him and he barked back in me when I went on

and Byron Scott told me to come here he said come in GP I'm like what's up he a dog you ain't going to be able to get him he got too much he got too much dog and I said good

and when he kept coming back at me and I went after the game and Byron Scott said I told you didn't I tell you I said yeah he gonna be a goat he's going to be good. And that's when I started saying Chris Paul is going to be a great basketball player

when he started doing that type of situation when he didn't back down to an All-Star had been in the league, seven, eight years, to a rookie. And he did what he did. And he's doing it now as he get over. So yes, I think I'm a better score than CP was. But he's all around.

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NHTSA.gov. Slash the right seat. Brought to you by Nidza and the Ad Council. Let's bring in Doug Gottlie because you're a huge college football fan, went to Oklahoma State. You know Oklahoma very well. You know college football as well as any guy that played basketball that I know. And my takeaway was, I had Chad Millman and on, and my takeaway was, stop bitching.

We've all wanted this thing. It's not going to be perfect. College sports are dynastic. They're not built. To be fair. Best teams get the better recruiting classes and they dominate. As long as you can, like Mark Fueck-Gonzag is going to win 29, 29 games to 33 games for the next 10 years. Nobody in that, nobody in his conference is going to catch him.

Now, the one thing about the tournament, I'm a big SEC fan, I think you are. But there is one thing where the SEC has gotten a bit of a break and a pass by the media is that all of us know that younger athletes, athletes, especially younger athletes. We've seen this in the NBA playoffs, can struggle in harsh road environments. And because of the weather in January, most bowl games are closer to the south. So a lot of times, southern teams play in these kind of the proximity to their campus and they have larger things. I do think LSU and the sugar. Right.

LSU and the sugar bowl, et cetera. Right. I do think if you put, you took an LSU a few years ago up to LAMBO to play Wisconsin, the game was super competitive. You put Notre Dame at home against Georgia. It goes either way. The only thing I'm worried about, the whole playoff is where do you put the games? I do, that's why are I in Indianapolis, you know, that is where a middle of, that's where, you know, because you can't do cold weather, Doug. You can't do outdoor stadium. So it has to be like an RCA dome. That's the only, the only concern I have about the 12 team playoff is, is don't make these all outdoor, warm weather games.

games. Well, okay, there's a, I have some issues with it. First, I'm big on the law of unintended consequences. Okay. So what are the unintended consequences? By expanding the playoffs, now, and we've already seen this with players opting out of bowl games, now the bowl games are dead. There's zero reason.

And I've been a guy who said, like, hey, if you can put another game on tape and have fun of your buddies go do it but i'm telling you now now they're dead you're playing for nothing um the second part is and this is it goes along the lines of when you expand the nca term to 68 if you don't get in probably getting fired like there's going to be more more coaching firings from teams with good seasons but just this like hey three teams in the SEC or four teams from the SEC got in and you didn't get a sniff like you're gone. I think it's a mistake by over-expanding. I think we're way overthinking this thing.

Look, if college football, and I believe it, they want the regular season to matter. Make your conference champion matter. Matter. I would rather have them all play each other in these big leagues than have it this way. But now it's like, all right, you win the SEC championship. congrats. Now you got to go out and play a couple more games.

Like, what was wrong with the, what was wrong with the four teams? The best team almost always won anyway. Right. Like, I don't understand why they don't. There's been some talk of doing this where you put your team kind of into the hopper if you want to qualify for the playoff. And every year they, they pull out a non-conference game. Like that I would be super into.

You know, and you make it equitable for all the different rights holders. But college football was in need of this. You and I have discussed this a bunch offline. I know you talked about in your show, which is like, you can't keep throwing out there, Alabama and Clemson, and hope that the rest of the country cares about it. They just don't. They just don't.

People care about their schools and about their region. And when everything is the southeast, like you're going to kill the sport. So I do think this brings hope to the West Coast. I do think it brings more hope to the Midwest. I do think it brings more hope to Texas. if they can get it up and running. By the way, this Aaron Rogers situation, we won't talk about it too much, but you've had your connections with Aaron through the years.

How about Mark Murphy coming out and saying, you know, he's a complicated fella, which, by the way, doesn't really mean anything except for Aaron Rogers, who would take it personally? So when Murphy said it over the last two days, he said, you know, Aaron's a complicated fellow, I thought, Mark, a week ago, Mark, you said we probably shouldn't take it public. Aaron's probably the prickliest player in the league. Why in the F would you say that publicly about Aaron Rogers? It was the first time, for me, the pendulum swung a little toward, more toward Aaron. It was like, Jesus, these people in Green Bay just do not get it. They really, they really,

Really, they're, I mean, Mark Murphy's a Harvard guy, but when I saw that comment, I thought, what are you doing? There's just certain people you have to handle differently. You just don't do that with, you don't do that with Aaron. It's just not going to work. It's going to piss him off. First, let's start with the Harvard guy thing, right? You know what they call the guy who graduates last in medical school? Doctor.

That's right. So there's lots of, not everybody is a magnate cum laude from Harvard. that said. The crazy part is he's not wrong. Aaron is really complicated. You know, as you know, and you and I have discussed, like, we, I consider him a friend. We haven't talked in a long time. We didn't have a falling out.

There was nothing. He just, that's just kind of how his life goes. He's a complicated fellow, you know, whereas most of the rest of the world would go like, Okay, so he's the starting quarterback for a team that was rebuilt and you won the MVP and you had a home game for the NSD championship game. And they kind of tinker with some things. They fix your offensive line. They think they re-signed your star running back. What are we mad about?

A guy who hasn't played two years in college who's a project quarterback. What are we mad about? So he's a complicated, deep thinker. And look, I agree with you. Why are you saying? Why? What was the win in that comment? Especially after you just chastised everybody else for making public comments.

Like, what are you doing? Like, do you really want to piss Aaron Rogers off or do you want to play quarterback? Because as it stands now, he's got to play quarterback. He's not sitting the whole year. He's not a dope. He's trying to make a point. And you're kind of making the point for him. Because his point is more, this is just egos run amuck, right?

This is, I think what Aaron thinks is Brian Gunnick's, and this probably is true, he thinks he found a gem in Jordan. And if it's close, he's going to push him out because Jordan's his guy. And then when everybody wants credit, right, I want credit. Mark Murphy is, it's about ego. I have to be a herd. You have to hear, I have this funny thing to say about Aaron Rogers. I have to let you in. I have to make you understand.

Like, no, man, it doesn't even matter if you told us something that we already know. And it proves to be true that Aaron Rogers is a complicated guy. By saying anything, what is the win there? Congratulations. You proved Aaron's point that the front office is about the front office. And he believes the Packers are about everybody. and you're dividing just as much as his comments have divided. I agree with you.

That's an absolute win for Aaron Rogers when he's been winning only in social media and the reality's been taking L's all off season. Yeah. No, you could have said it's a complicated situation, but once you said Aaron's a complicated fella, okay, now it's personal. Now you're calling out your star quarterback. Yeah, he also, and I don't like, this is a real, real week.

Have you ever heard somebody tell you, you're really smart and it be almost condescending and negative. I've had that like, oh, you're just, you know, but I do think that they could have said, like, look, Aaron's really bright. He's brilliant. He's a very deep thinker. And, you know, like, let's not overthink this thing.

He's our quarterback. We love him. And we apparently haven't made it clear enough how we feel about it. That you can say. But yes, when you say complicated, fellow. Like if I say you and your wife have a complicated relationship, that's not a couple. Right. Right. How was that deal to launch the volume? Ah, it was complicated. Complicated cannot in by my estimation in 2021, even if it's accurate, be translated into a positive statement.

And so why are you saying that? But again, to try and win and you're lost by trying to win. Well, you know, there's the, you know, I grew up in the country, small town. And there's always this little bit of a low self-esteem in the small town. And some people resent the big city. And there's that saying we all heard when we were young, you think you're better than me. That's what that's what small town guy often says to bigger city. You think you're better. You're Hollywood.

You've gone Hollywood. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You've gone Hollywood. And I think with Aaron, there is that sense. in small town Wisconsin, he thinks he's better than us. And that's what kids say when they're high schoolers or, you know, 12 years old.

That guy thinks he's better than us. I do. And Aaron doesn't help by putting Hollywood stuff all over social media. But I do think there is this, you know, the average marriage lasts seven or eight years. I mean, I think you put up with certain things if somebody's beautiful or somebody's talented. But there's that seven, eight year mark in relationships, just all of them. where you get tired of people shit, right? And I think, I think Aaron and Green Bay was bound to be problematic. And I just think they've reached that line where they're tired of each other's

shit. And it's okay, by the way. Doesn't mean you don't have two great people. But I mean, Doug, it was never a natural fit. Aaron's sort of a California cool guy. They wear cheese hats. I mean, it's like there are, I mean, like, Eli and New York don't feel perfect. But it worked. For some reason, Eli and New York, the country kid, the Southern kid, it worked. Farvin Green Bay to me, it worked. I've never felt Aaron's Green Bay.

I feel like Aaron should be the quarterback for the Rams. That wraps it up for the week. We're heading into another big week here at the volume. Make sure to subscribe and follow us at the Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram. The Volume. Are you ready for the big day? Not your big day. Her big day.

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