The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Coronavirus effect on the sports world

Episode Date: March 12, 2020

Colin discusses the Coronavirus outbreak and the effect it is having on the sports world. This is not a 2-3 week issue, and Colin believes people should be protected even if tournaments are cancelled. Guests include Shams Charania, Nick Wright, Jeff Goodman, Darren Rovell, and Doug Gottlieb. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on. I don't watch, right? Because I'm on radio. Good to have you. Enjoy Taylor's joining me. Crazy last 24 hours. It's been a crazy 2020 call. I was literally just sitting here thinking like I've done the craziest amount of shows, like unprecedented shows probably this year than ever in my career. It's crazy. So the NBA season suspended, hiatus they're calling it, kind of a sabbatical. My first thought when it happened was back in the mid-90s, 1994, the Montreal Expos, no longer a team, had this great baseball team. And they were the number one seed in the National League, and they did one like, you know, 75 games and 74 and 40. And they were going to end up, you know, home field advantage in the playoffs.

And the season goes on strike. And it blows up their season. And I thought to myself, the Clippers finally have it. They finally have the best team in the NBA, the L.A. Clippers, years of being, you know, the stepchild of the Lakers. they finally have their team and the NBA season potentially gets canceled. April 15th, about five weeks from now, is the end of the NBA regular season. There will be no regular season. Regular season is done.

This is not a one or a two week thing. This is a spring and summer thing. Let me just say this. I was last Friday, I took it off. And I was in Utah. I was skiing in a place called Deer Valley. Pretty bougie. A lot of CEOs and business people where I'm at.

There were two CEOs. I ended up talking to during lunch, one from Seattle, one from New York, and then another guy from Atlanta who was way up the information food chain in his business. And they all predicted this. They said, we're going to have massive cancellations starting next week. There's going to be a lot of panic in the media. Nobody knows where we're going on this. It is not a one or a two-week story here. It is a four or five-month story, and I don't have any answers for you. But my gut feeling today is the regular season for the NBA is over. The standings are what they are. If the playoffs do restart, they'll be based on these seedings. My gut feeling, it's a 50-50 if we have the playoffs.

If we do, my belief is they'll be pushed back, maybe three or four weeks even, and you'll have a shortened, you'll have opportunities to test some things out in the playoffs that you've never done before. But when I talk to those CEOs, all of them said, we're going to have a hospital bed shortage in America. We're going to have a credit default situation. We are now the bull market's over. We're going to be in a recession. They were telling me about five days ago what we were going to see. In fact, I told them both. My wife had a Ireland trip starting tomorrow. They said cancel it. So Sunday night, we canceled it. Monday morning, we canceled two European trips over the next five, six weeks. My family was taking. I wasn't part of one of those. So, you know, sometimes I've tried to lean on last night. I made two calls. One to

Atlanta, one to Seattle, people in the, you know, Wall Street that I've known for years. One of them was a college roommate. And, you know, there's a lot of disinformation out there. Sadly, it almost feels political where conservatives are saying this is no big deal. Liberals are saying it's the end of the world. It almost feels political to me. I'm a moderate. I'm a centrist.

I don't think it's the end of the world. But I think the NBA did the right thing. This morning, the Big Ten, the Big 12, the SEC is canceled. All of them have canceled their basketball tournaments. I think it's the right thing to do. I also think basketball is a very unique sport in a very unique situation. First of all, let's talk NBA. One of their stars got sick.

You know, this is a sport in which you don't have heavy pads and equipment and helmets. You touch each other all the time. You sweat on each other. Coronavirus is very contagious. People could say, what about hockey? Same arenas. Well, you have a glass separating fans from players. And the NBA, the fans are on the players.

In hockey, you have helmets and you have lots and lots and layers and layers of equipment. You rarely get skin on skin, hand on hand. You have gloves. The CEOs told me last Friday, and this is information that they were really hot on. They said, listen, social distancing is going to become very important. And I think a lot of these CEOs are canceling work, canceling events. You see Coachella. You see the NBA season.

I think it's all smart. I think this is what we should be doing. I have no idea what we're in for. I trust people that are much more informed than I am and much smarter than I am. I don't think there's any value in saying it's just the flu. As I said on Twitter last Friday, after talking to the CEOs, I posted on Twitter. It is not the flu. You don't have a stock market crash with the flu.

You don't cancel seasons and events due to the flu. Is it possible there could be some panic? Yes, certainly. I mean, the media drives a lot. of things, but there's a thing called the World O meter that keeps you updated on coronaviruses, every individual country, what's declining, what's rising. I sent everybody to that. We've had multiple instances in America, just talked domestically, of canceled seasons,

World War II. 15 years ago, 16 years ago, the 2004 NHL season, yet a full season lockout. Major League Baseball, mid-90s, 94, season started. shut down with a strike. Again, I think the NBA regular season's over. The seating is the seating. I'm 50-50 on whether we have the playoffs. My gut feeling is they will be delayed. You'd start them instead of April 15th, May 15th. It should be noted, China stopped its basketball season for 10 weeks. Reportedly, they're restarting it soon. MLS has now canceled its regular season for the time being. NBA has. I think

XFL, baseball, NHL, March Madness are all going to have chain reactions here. I think it's the smart thing to do. Better safe than sorry. There's no reason for panic, but there's a difference between panic and concern. There is a reason in my life we've had

books written and movies made about viruses and outbreaks. You know, this is stuff that we've dealt with 11, I think, of these, you know, these international viruses. We had, if people forget maybe H1N1, There was, I could be wrong on this. I think there were 15,000 deaths in America.

We had SARS, which was very, very deadly, not nearly as contagious, perhaps, as this. Post 9-11, the world changed. You got to be nimble. This is why I'm concerned our current president. It's not a political left or a right issue. I don't think he's built for these crises. I think he's attached himself to the stock market. That's his be-all end-all.

It is now crashing. we are in a, the bull market's over. We're in a recession. The travel industry is going to go through some really, really tough times. And, you know, the days of 3.5% unemployment, those are over. Okay, this was not going to, this was not going to last forever. This is not a panic. This is what we deal with post-World War II.

Every six years, we've had a recession. We were in an incredible 11-year period of no recession. Now, this economy wasn't good for everybody, but it was good for a lot of people. 3.5% unemployment, stock market at 29,000 illustrates that. But, you know, now it's going to be tough. It's going to be, you know, things are going to change, and we will be okay. We're a smart country with very effective people in important positions. In terms of the NBA, it is, I swear to God, it's the strangest year ever.

2020 will be the strangest year. You had multiple stars hurt. the dynasty ended overnight Kobe's tragic death David Stern passes away the NBA China controversy and now the cancellation slash hiatus of the NBA regular season

it is just if I'm Adam Silver though and I think this is just you know my wife says this she said you know you tend to be optimistic like you're protecting yourself like you just don't want bad news and I said well I grew up with some chaos as a kid perhaps you know I've gone through enough therapy it's a protective mechanism

but I see opportunities like this economically. I'm like, I called my broker last night. I said, if it goes 2,000 points down, let's buy. I see opportunities. I look at Adam Silver this morning in the NBA, and I think to myself, there's some opportunities here. Let's think about this. He has been a pretty progressive commissioner in terms of gambling. He talked about shortening the season. He talked about a mid-season tournament. I think if I'm Adam Silver. I try to make the playoffs happen. But this morning, I say, let's push them to May 15th. All you need is about six or seven, eight. You know, you need, these are the world's best basketball players. They don't

have much of a preseason anyway. I mean, they have like seven warm up games and they go right into the season. Maybe you go from seven games to three games in the first round. Perhaps you eliminate teams. Only the top 12 teams get in. The nets, the magic, the grizzlies, the maves, don't get in. You know, Mark Cuban wouldn't be happy. But, you know, I've been hoping forever for shortened seasons in baseball. I think hockey's too long. I think the NBA is too long. Maybe it's time to experiment.

I think anytime you have a crisis like this, I lean on smart people, you seize opportunities. Be safe, be smart, find a new way to do business. You've got an entire summer here if you're the NBA. No time for panic. It's time for read everything you can get your hands on.

Be mindful. I do think if you are compromised physically, You know, you're 50. You've got diabetes. You've got some physical issues. Overweight, heavy smoker. I watched some tapes yesterday on this. Your best not to travel.

Social gatherings stay out of that for six to eight weeks. I don't know enough about it to have strong opinions on it other than leaning on people who on Friday told me exactly this was going to happen. So I'm leaning on information people. I'll disseminate what I can get from it. Give it to you. And, you know, hopefully you see me as somebody that's pretty measured on this. I don't have any answers.

You know, I've heard some people say, you know, there's a lot of panic. Of course there is. There's panic all the time. Post 9-11, there was panic. People are human. People get, people are fearful. We're mostly creatures of habit. When new stuff, Joy and I talked about this yesterday, when new stuff arrives and you talk about viruses and deaths.

And we all have, you know, many of us have kids and businesses are closing. and the economy is shrinking. Of course. This is a time where we all need to be reflective and let's take deep breaths. Let's work together. Let's be mindful. Let's not try to win arguments on the internet.

Who gives a rip? Let's get it right. Let's not try to be right on this. And I think canceling games, social distancing is the way to go. You know, my thoughts, I'll give you my thoughts on what I would do with March Madness, some thoughts on the NFL. A lot of things happening today. Stick around with us.

We'll have some guests, people in and out of sports, to give you kind of an update on the course of actions taking place. So stick around. Thanks for joining us today. Joy and I. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Last night, a blown call changed a game.

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This is the Herd. Joy Taylor joining me in a couple of minutes. Sham Sharanya, who broke the news last night that Rudy Gobert tested positive and the league was suspending operations. By the way, Donovan Mitchell, the other star on that team, is also tested positive. Now, the good news is those were the only players or staff out of the 59 to test positive. There's a couple little glimmers of positive news, and I do think there's a responsibility to share some of that. One of these is the percentage of people who are testing and testing positive is actually low. Utah is a great example.

The jazz tested 59 people, two were positive. That's becoming kind of a trend. Secondly, nobody has an explanation for this. Kids are uniquely safe with this. They're not with the flu. This is not the flu. The flu can be very dangerous to children. For some reason, children are perhaps carriers,

but it is not quite as dangerous for kids thus far. Those are positives. The rest of us, here's what I would do. It's been a bad college basketball season ever. Duke Carolina just played lowest rating for those two in nine years. There is no star in the sport. Last year, we had two magnificent players, good storylines. I would cancel March Madness.

The ACC, for the record, just canceled their turn. So the Big Ten, the Big 12, the SEC, and the ACC of all canceled their tournaments. March Madness is a very unique sport in America. You ask hundreds of thousands of people to travel across the country to attend events. I'd say right now that's not a great idea. We don't do that in the NFL. Hundreds of thousands of Americans don't travel every week. I mean, the Steelers don't have a lot of empty seats.

But March Madness, it's a bunch of empty arena. all over the country, please fly in and fill them. This is not the time to have that kind of event. I also believe this, is that the NBA has just 450 players. Two of them, two of their stars, have the virus. You don't think with 4,200 college basketball players, starting with these tournaments until potentially the end of March Madness, 4,200 just Division I players, just Division I,

are going to be out there. Nobody's going to catch it. And by the way, let's say a kid or a team got it. You know what the national narrative would be. Oh, exploiting the kids. Make money. Not protecting the kids. That's the story.

If you run the NCAA and you're Mark Emmert, just try to. It's called second line thinking. This is what the Warren Buffett's and the Bill Gates used. It's called second line thinking. See beyond the initial problem. see two or three steps ahead. Not hard to figure out.

Kids get it during the tournament, and the story is, oh, Mark Emmert, exploiting kids. You don't pay them anyway. Cancel the tournament. And I think March Madness, without the madness, is a buzz kill anyway. It is,

these are not professionals. It's not like there's a player, players association to negotiate with. You don't have a union to deal with here. Protect the kids. That's what adults are supposed to do. Protect kids. I think college football spring practice.

Cancel it. March Madness, tournaments. Cancel it. You got 4,200 players. You don't think anybody's going to get this? Come on. What are the odds no player gets corona? How about we start with there?

There are no odds. Bet against that. Somebody would get it. I mean, just look at the reaction last night when Fred Hoyberg, the coach in Nebraska, got sick. The internet exploded. He just got sick. People were like, oh my God.

Now, he tested negative. It was just a flu. But you have to remember, there's going to be some panic. This is the reality of these kind of national or international crises. I think college basketball, March Madness, is the easiest thing to cancel. First of all, it's amateur athletes. Let's protect amateur athletes. Number two is timing affects everything.

This is absolutely brutal timing for college basketball. And like the NFL or the Olympics, see, the Olympics are in July. You could, you know, just kind of sit around for a month and figure things out if you're the NFL. You take your scouts off the road for the draft. But the NFL season really starts in earnest. You could cancel the preseason. It starts after Labor Day. The Olympics are in July.

College basketball is about a four-week sport. We've got a national and international. crisis the next four weeks. The timing's horrible. You've got an easy out. These are amateur athletes. The timing is just, listen, timing in life is everything, right? We all know that. It just landed at the wrong spot and the wrong time for college basketball. Some sports are getting a little bit of a timing break. I would say the Olympics. This is a year with no World Cup. I mean, this, you know, soccer gets now, MLS has so far canceled games, but in, internationally, the World Cup is a zillion dollar.

It's a multi-billion dollar tournament. This is a year with no World Cup. Get a little bit of a break. Olympics is in July. Now, although basketball players are a big part of the Olympic experience and may not be part of it if the NBA got pushed back to the playoffs. But college basketball to me, this is an easy one. Amateur athletes, timing stinks.

Let's just be smart. Let's be safe. Let's just stop it now. Joy with the news. This is the herd line news. So Mark Cuban found out that the NBA was postponing the season while he was sitting on the sidelines of the Mavericks game last night. There was a video going around all over the internet of his reaction. Yeah.

We found out, which was pretty much all of our reactions when we found out. He said the news felt more like something out of a movie than reality. And he's also looking into ways that he can help out his employees while games aren't being played. When some of the things were coming up that we might not play games, then this was yesterday. I reached out to the folks at the arena and our folks at the Mavs to find out what it would cost to support, financially support people who aren't going to be able to come to work. You know, they get paid by the hour and this was their source of income. And so we'll do some things there. We may ask them to go do some volunteer work in exchange, but we've already started the process of having a program in place.

And I don't have any details to give, but it's certainly something that's important to me. Yeah. I love that Mark Cuban said that because honestly when all this first started, that was my first thought is, wow, like what are people going to do that survive on tips or work hourly? They can't come into work. Like what happens? And, you know, Italy has taken some measures to help out, you know, they've suspended bills and mortgages. Yes. You know, they have to. Like, otherwise the entire economy is going to crash. We rely on our richest citizens and our government and our state officials for crises like this. We look for guidance and leadership.

And so Mark Cuban is, it's called leadership. Like we're already talking about how do we help people who are the most vulnerable. Right. And the most economically vulnerable people. People are hourly workers. Yes. So let's take care of them. Let's make sure they're okay.

You know, people like you and I have a little more means and opportunities are Mark Cuban. But let's take care of the people that are the not only the physically most compromised, but financially the most compromise. Let's just take care of them. Of course. And this is something I hope that the NBA takes. implements across the league that all owners should be having this conversation

because we don't know what's going to happen. We don't know when the league is going to pick back up again. We're assuming that in a couple weeks or, you know, five or six weeks that they are going to finish the season in some capacity. These are the people that you need there running your facilities. Like logistically, they're the heart and soul of your organization. Oh, God, yes.

None of this happens without them. Yeah, and by the way, the only thing I know for sure, talking to much smarter people than myself, This is not a two-week story. Right. I will assure you, this is a long, this is just the beginning of this. We're in this thing for multiple months now. So let's just understand that there's going to be people for the next eight to 12 weeks minimum that need help in our society.

Let's be there for them. Yeah, not a time to be greedy or take advantage of people. Right. So Vince Carter was planning to retire after this season. The league suspension news came down during the Hawks' Knicks game last night. So Vince checked in for what could be his final game. Wow. And hit a three-pointer with three seconds remaining.

Oh, that's so Vince Carter. They're going to give it to Vince. He's going to take a three and hit it. Even the Knicks are applauding. Can we do a 30 for 30 on Vince Carter? Oh, of course, he's been playing for 20. How many years? 22 seasons.

Is that insane? I remember when he was the world's best dunker. Now he's the, he does. He deserves a 40 for. 40, John. That's a good line. I mean, he is now the world's oldest. He went from the world's best dunker to the world's oldest three-point shooter. Yes. So after the game, he spoke about the possibility of leaving the NBA in such a bizarre fashion. If it ended today and, you know, this day, this, this end of the season, these last 16 games will be talked about for a very long time.

And that's something I'll always remember, you know, at least I scored my last basket and a weird but cool memory. Can we get Vince Carter on the show? Greg Tooie, Dave Coelho, let's get Vince Carter on the show. I want to sit down and give him like 30 minutes. His life is fascinating. He's cousins with T-MAC. He was the fifth overall pick in the 1998 draft. I remember his high school.

I remember him in high schools. I like recruiting. I can remember hearing about Vince Carter in high school. And there was this kid that just could jump out of the gym. Like the greatest, he and David Thompson, for anybody listening, David Thompson was a great NBA player in the 70s. And people were saying, like, he was the next David Thompson. Like this kid could jump out of the gym.

25 years later, he's shooting threes in the NBA. He was drafted the same year as Peyton Manning. Yeah, I mean, he's had an absolutely remarkable, obviously, Hall of Fame career. He's played with the Raptors, the Nets, the Magic, the Suns, the Mavs, the Grizzlies, the Kings, Alzheimer. But it was a nice moment amidst a pretty crazy news night. And finally, the NFL hasn't announced any changes to plans for the draft next month due to coronavirus. virus and Raiders owner Mark Davis says the league is still monitoring this situation. He said the league office, the players association in the city and the state are working

together. They're making a measure decision. Health and safety will always be number one. They'll make the right decision. They won't put anybody in jeopardy over it. Obviously, the draft starts on the 23rd to the 25th of April, which is a little over five weeks away. And in a statement release on Monday, the leaks that our plans remain in place.

so they aren't canceling anything for the draft just yet. However, if you remember watching the draft last year, draft goes down a little differently than it has in the past. Yeah. So there were 600,000 people in Nashville over those three days at the draft last year. How about this? Let's just make it a phone call thing. Yeah, this might be a year where we just...

You can have the NFL network and ESPN can have their people talking about it. You do the same thing. Right. But we just don't have the crowds. Well, yeah, look, I mean, listen, everyone is understanding. upset and frustrated and scared for the situation. And that's something that I'm sure people in Las Vegas were looking forward to, NFL fans were looking forward to. I mean, it looked like an unbelievable event and party.

They did, NFL did an amazing job with it last year. I love that it's moving to new cities and it's another fan experience. But just to spend it a year. Like just chill out. Just for, you know, just this year. I know Vegas had some big plans. They were going to have like a boat carrying the guys. It's not like Vegas needs more entertainment.

Vegas will be fine. I mean, just do it next year. Like, it can still be held in Vegas next year. We just push everything back a year. But, yeah, 600,000 people is, feels like when we're not allowing gatherings of over 250, 600,000 people over three days feels like a lot. Yeah, good stuff. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. Do you owner rent a home? Sure you do. Geico makes it easy to bundle home and auto insurance. Geico.com makes it very, very easy. Well, he broke the news last night that Rudy Gobert tested positive and the league was suspending operations. He wrote the rights for the athletic and stadium.

That's a terrific job. I was kind of about a year and a half ago. I said, who's this Sham Sharanja guy? He's really good. And now he joins us on the show. First of all, we have said this morning, Joy and I Shams, that we think it's the right thing to do. The NBA tends to be a very progressive league.

Smart on this stuff. Adam Silver's a bright guy. I think it's the right thing to do. What was your initial reaction to it? Yeah, Colin, great joining you. You know, the league was prepared to start playing games. either today or tomorrow without fans. That was their plan.

But I think everyone around the league, there's always this fear that the first player that got it, you know, become this mass hysteria, be a mass panic, you know, for the right reasons. You know, last thing you want is for this to start spreading among your players and becoming a league-wide issue, really on the surface level. And so I knew the moment, you know, that I got wind of Rudy Gaubert testing positive last night. I mean, that's a story that, you know, you have to treat with a lot of care. Yes. It took me about 40 minutes to get to the point that I'm like, this is 100.

I'm putting it out. And so I knew the moment that I put that out that the league was going to indefinitely suspend the season. That's where this was going. And I think four or five minutes later they announced it. So there was not really a surprise around the league that it became indefinite suspension. I think everyone knew where this was headed the moment one player in the league of 400 or 500 players tested positive. Now, again, this is a day without a ton of. good news. Rudy

Gobert test positive. Donovan Mitchell test positive. Now, from what I'm reading, they're the, 59 people were tested to 58, yeah, 58, two were positive. Is there a sense amongst the NBA and the jazz

that the good news here is even though Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell probably talked, discussed, touched, shared space with people, these are the only two that tested positive in that that's a good sign. Perhaps right?

Yeah, I mean, listen, the jazz are likely going to have secondary testing in the next few days just to make sure on a lot of fun. But there's no question that, you know, it's the only positive thing you can take out of this. And, you know, like I reported, 58 tests were administered only Donovan Mitchell. So one of 58 last night ended up coming up as a positive result for coronavirus. So, you know, all the other players, personnel, staff, execs, they all test. negative. And so, yeah, you're right. That's the only positive you can take. Now, those guys, I'm told, you know, Donovan Mitchell, you know, has not shown any symptoms of a flu of a real

significant illness. And so, you know, for him, this is, he's living his daily life. He's feeling himself. But the expectation is that Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gaubert, these guys are going to now become quarantined, self-quarantined and start to really, you know, self-isolate until this passes, whether it takes a week and a half, two weeks, et cetera. You know, Adam had suggested a shortened season before the season started. He was very pro-gambling. He talked about a kind of a European-style mid-season tournament. And I wonder if this doesn't create opportunities for Adam Silver to say, okay, we're going

to have a shortened season. And I think I can remember when, Shams, I'm sure you remember this, when we had a few years ago the shortened season, the media, the fans, the players, it was largely celebrated. It created incredible urgency. We look back at that season. We call it the strike shortened season. But a lot of players said, you know, there were fewer injuries. The fans in the media were into it.

The games meant more. I wonder if Adam Silver doesn't look at this and say, you know what, this is a different year. I'm going to experiment with stuff. I'm going to shorten some series. Our television partners are going to have to deal with this because we can either have no games or at least some but fewer. Is it possible that Adam Silver is going to have an opportunity here to do a little experimenting for safety, for safety reasons, and it just presents an opportunity. You know, I think the league is going to look at everything at this point,

and the question is going to come now is, do you resume the season with a playoff? Do you have like a shortened season? Do you have five games and then playoffs? I think these ofteners are going through execs and owners' minds. You know, the owners and executives I've talked to believe that, you know, they don't think anything is going to come back and resume action for another month. And so you're already going to have to probably shorten things at that point. So I don't think the league has any mindset as far as like how this is

going to impact short and season moving forward. But, you know, it is a food for thought. I guess if you want to call it that. Shams, Sean, you're joining us, the Athletic and Stadium. Were there any players, executives, anybody that reached out to you that did believe that this is an overreaction and it's just too much. We could have played without fans. There's no reason to cancel the season. Anybody, you know, privately DM text you and share those thoughts or concerns? Listen, I've heard from, you know, whether it's team people or players that are thinking that all of this is a panic situation. But once one player got it and it was confirmed that Rudy Gobert tested positive, I think everyone understood that the only right thing to do now is indefinitely suspend the season.

So I don't think there's any gripe with that. I think just the overall panic and hysteria over the situation, I think is the one thing that serves like this might be a little bit overwhelmed. Like I said, you know, from everything I've been told, Rudy Gobert is strong, he's good, and in his mind, he could have even played last night. And Donald Mitchell has yet to show real symptoms of a flu. And so, you know, these guys are going to need to be quarantined. And the big thing now is making sure that they don't spread this fire.

What do you do personally for the next couple of months now? You just, you kind of bounce around the league, talk to execs. How does your job change? Yeah, you know, I've been home really for the last couple weeks. I haven't been traveling. Just seeing teams come through Chicago and Milwaukee. I'm based in Chicago. And now, you know, I don't think I'm just going to pick it up and start traveling around.

I think it's going to be pretty, you know, if these teams are telling their employees and the league is telling employees to self-quarantine and players are being told to self-quarantine, I don't think I'm going to be getting on a flight here anytime soon. but we'll see. All right. Sharmes, Sharanya, broke the story last night in Rudy Gobert, testing positive, and also broke the story in the league, suspending operations. You do a terrific job.

We appreciate you in a busy day coming by our show, Shams. Thank you so much. Thanks, Colin. I appreciate you. You bet. So that's the situation we're at. I did talk to somebody last night, Joy. It was just, you know, I didn't work on Monday and Tuesday because I bang my head.

And I was going to not wear a Band-Aid today. And I didn't want to gross you guys out because I did. think it's better if my stitches breathe and not suffocated by band-aids but i didn't want to gross you guys out but yesterday all day i just walked around the house with a big gash in my forehead i mean it's it's it's not it's not that it's not that bad it's probably too much for television but yeah uh so yeah i i would say when in situations like this is that i think one of the things that social media um there are so many positive things with social media i follow a lot of people that have great information.

So I don't want to label social media as full of dumb people. But I think the thing that discourages me, and this is one of the reasons I stopped taking calls, my life belief system is let's get it right. Let's not worry about being right. And Twitter is like sports radio calls. Everybody wants to get it right. I want to be right. I want to show that I don't care.

I get my paycheck right or wrong. Let's get it right with this. Let's support compromise people physically. Let's support people who need income over the next month. Our government, you know, if you have, we probably can't do what Italy can do, stop mortgage payments. But let's, you know, get rid of co-pays. Let's make, we're going to have a hospital bed shortage. That's fairly predictable.

I think most reasonable people in corporate America see that coming. That's something I was talking about. Friday with the CEOs. They said they worry about, you know, the crises, the panic, the media driving a hospital bed shortage, which is fairly predictable coming up. These cases are going probably double and triple over time. I just, let's not worry about being right on Twitter. Let's get it right. Pass around information. If you've got cool stuff, put it out there. Yesterday, Joe Rogan put out a, at least I got it yesterday, a podcast. Very, very. helpful from a man who writes books on this, and his job is essentially spotting viruses and

informing people on viruses. And it was fascinating. I sat there for 30 minutes watching it. I don't know who gave it to me. It was incredibly helpful. It put me at ease, scared me a little, put me at ease. But I think in this world, do everybody a favor. Let's try to get it right. Let's put out information if we have it. There's no value in denying things or trying to be first with things. Let's help each other. Yeah, I mean, mostly just also be neighborly, you know, be considerate of others and get good information from a solid source, not a meme, you know. You can agitate society or lubricate it. Be a lubricator.

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They shouldn't. That's Labor Day. They could easily cancel the preseason if they had to. There's no reason. Again, I'm a strong believer, and this is from people smarter than me, that deal directly with

medical companies, the government, this is not going to be a two to three week story. It's going to be a two to three month minimum story. The cases are going to double. There will be signs and opportunities of positive news. It is a little scary today. But in terms of the NFL, they got a little bit of a break here. They can take all their scouts off the road.

You're seeing the teams now taking scouts off the road. In terms of the NFL free agency, you can do. this over the phone. Players know who the good teams are, who the bad teams are. Players have agents. It's an agent's job to do homework for the players. That's why you pay them 5 to 10%. Players know that Tampa Bay is not as well run as New England or the Steelers or the Packers or the Ravens or, you know, players know where they're needed, where they can get their money. You can do all this over the phone. In terms of the NFL draft, I would cancel Vegas probably at this point. Wait a a couple days on this, but if your scouting department doesn't know about a third round

wire receiver you're interested in, then fire your scouting department. Well, also, luckily, the combine is over as well. It's over. This is all phone business. I'll give you an example. So, it's just a strange coincidence. Monday I was off, and I had a scheduled meeting, but I was a little dizzy, but I did it anyway because it was across the street from my house.

It was a place called Nix in Manhattan Beach. And I went there, and it was just a young kid. and he's got a business idea and I want to hear him. He's a college football player. And he went to high school with Andrew Thomas, who is the great left tackle for Georgia. He could be the first second or third or fourth left tackle taken, terrific player.

And I asked him about Andrew. He went to high school with him. He knew his family, told me his whole background. So I took the information, and I texted a buddy of mine who runs an NFL football team. And I said, hey, I know you're in line perhaps for a tackle. I'm just going to give you some intang. on Andrew Thomas.

I wrote a paragraph. All like details, family, parents, kind of kiddie is. The NFL GM says, yep, within 10 seconds. Hey, thanks. You sound like an area scout. Good job. Yeah, this is all what we had. We're a month out.

They have their information. It is now just watching more film. You can do that by yourself in a room. If your scouting department doesn't have the available information and needs a pro day, get a new scout. It's paralysis by analysis. You could do the draft tomorrow. You could do it over the phone like they did in the 80s before we all knew what Mel Kuyper looked like.

This is certainly a phone business time where you can get 90% of it done. Also, the NFL has cut back on practice time in camps over the last CBA. The next mandatory NFL camp is June 11th. There's no reason to cancel that. I mean, God, we're at March, April, May. That's three months away. I have a trip I had planned in mid-April to go to England. I haven't canceled it yet.

My wife canceled the Ireland trip. I'll probably cancel that today or tomorrow. But there's no reason if you have plans in June to cancel them yet. Now, March Madness, it's done. It's done. NBA, next month, I think baseball is going to follow suit here. You know, and I feel bad because, you know, spring, opening day in baseball is a big deal.

Could you do spring training games without the fans instead of canceling them? I think that's possible. But, you know, we were sitting down as a staff or as a team this morning, and we were just saying, you know, the NFL has sort of owned its own, it's in its own hemisphere, its own galaxy. In a weird way, they benefit here because most of their business for the next four months is phone business, certainly for the next two to three months. And with the NBA, the MLS and baseball potentially being canceled,

we've got a draft coming up in free agency. It is going to own the news cycle. So, you know, the NFL is not in the precarious situation that others are. The Olympics July, take a deep breath. Let's wait it out. NFL camps in June 11th, 10th, 11th. Let's wait it out. But these are all, you know, these are all discussions grownups have.

I do believe the one thing I do believe is we are going to have, for the next, you know, eight to 10 weeks, 12 weeks. It's going to be precarious. The bull market's over. The travel industry is going to be in a real peril here. A lot of jobs lost. You're seeing CEOs at airlines already. Like Friday, salaries cut.

You know, it's going to be really tight, really ugly, and it stinks. California, by the way, has ordered gatherings of two. 250 plus people that could affect Major League Baseball games. California tends to be pretty smart on this stuff, pretty progressive. They're already saying, done. Can't, you know, Coachella, a stage coach been canceled yet. It has music festivals, concerts, sporting events, tournaments in California, non-starter. Those are done.

And I think they should be. You know, in situations like this, what's the downside to being cautious? We know what the downside to being reckless is. Right. But the downside of being cautious is short term, you cancel some events. That's what smart people do. That's what I'm hearing from the smartest people I know. Hour two in L.A. next.

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Good, good, good, good, good. So the NBA suspended its season, the Big East basketball tournament at half. Just canceled. So the Big Ten, the Big 12, the SEC, the 8th. CEC and the Big East now are all canceled. Let's just cancel March Madness. Timing stinks. March Madness is a four-week sport,

and it's right in the middle of a national health crisis, international, frankly. Let's cancel it. It doesn't make any sense. Let's cancel March Madness. It's not been a very good year of college basketball to begin with. That doesn't really matter, however. What does matter is it falls.

March Madness falls starting this weekend with the conference tournaments in the four-week crosshairs of the danger zone, of the outbreak zone of this virus. And it is a very unique sport which asks hundreds of thousands of fans to travel across the country. Not great now. So let's cancel it. And I think we should. I think it's smart.

30 years from now, you don't want to be talking about the year we exploited kids, amateurs, and got them sick. That would just be stupid. It can't happen. Let me just say this. I think the NBA made the right move. and not to be snarky, but I don't think we need 82 NBA regular season games. I do not believe we need seven-game playoff series in the first round.

Last year in the Eastern Conference, the bottom seeds in the first round of the Eastern playoffs were 2 and 16. They're bad games, they're bad series. It's all greed. It is all greed. They didn't used to be seven games. Owners wanted more money. They're unwatchable. LeBron went several years without losing a first-round game.

They're awful games. You get occasionally every year in the East, maybe one good series. But the bottom teams in the NBA and the middle teams, frankly, have no impact. I'm not saying they don't have value. But, you know, here's a problem in America with sports we never have. You know, the seasons are just too short. We don't have that. If the NBA out of this, I mean, let's face it.

most sports fans are casual. I'm very fortunate. I've had a great career. 90% of it has been on the fact that I try not to be a nerd on the air and pretend I live, breathe, eat, and sleep and watch games. I love my family. I like sports. I can give or take 80% of the games. It's been my career. I tell young people all the time. Your audience isn't diehards. They have kids in a life. Don't be one. Diehards do over. nights, you know, and bad radio networks. Like, talk to people, talk about the big things they watch, realize most people aren't single,

28 and sitting home watching games all day. They have lives, girlfriends, husbands, kids, activities. To me, the NBA season should start on Christmas. Everybody should play each other twice. How many games that is, 58, 60. Home and home for everybody. You don't even need conferences. 16 best teams, 12 best teams make the playoffs.

Again, last year's Eastern Conference lower seeds went two and 16. So if there are, and I think most people in the NBA, most casual fans, care about two series. Lakers, clippers, and whoever the winner plays in the final, maybe the bucks. That's about it. So I don't think we have a problem in America where we just don't have enough games in almost. I mean, the NFL now is extending to another game. I don't think we need the preseason in the NFL.

If college football players don't get a preseason. I mean, we have these kickoff classics Labor Day weekend where it's like Alabama against, you know, Oklahoma. They're 19-year-old kids. They don't have a preseason. What is the NFL adults that don't have class? Why do they need four games? I don't believe scouting departments and coaching staffs need four preseason games to discern, you know, that guy's probably at best a scout team guy.

I mean, let's be honest, 30% of the first rounds a whiff anyway with all the time we have now. It's an inexact sport. Darren Revelle, Action Network, sports business reporter and senior exec producer is now joining us in the herd. Thank you, Darren.

It's a busy day for you. NBA suspends the season. Right decision from a business perspective, in your opinion. It's not from a business perspective, Colin. and it's like the first time we've had to do this. I mean, you think about the players as people, and that's all Adam Silver was thinking.

When he made that decision, he didn't tell anyone. He did not tell anyone or any of his partners, hey, we're done. And so it was not a business decision. I mean, that's the craziest thing with all this. It's business leaders being asked to make human decisions. And the only human decision is sports does not play the role that it used to play, that we've only known it to play, which is, come on, let it help us heal.

Well, it's just a microcosm of society now, and that's where we're at. And the only appropriate thing to do was to postpone the season and essentially postpone everything. March Madness should be canceled, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it just can't happen because, you know, it's the close interaction of just human beings, forget about players.

It just cannot happen, at least at this time. Now, I'm not saying that this is how long-term this is. Who knows? But in this moment, there's only one call to make, and that's to cancel it. You know, it's interesting. You know, the NFL, for instance, doesn't have a mandatory camp until July 10th or 11th. Their preseason, which they could easily cancel, doesn't start until, like, July or August. The Olympics, similarly, are in July.

What do you do if you got about three to four months before you really get down to business, you're the NFL? I mean, the draft you could do over the phone, obviously. Combine, you had to have a physical presence. But what if you do if you're the Olympics, you're the NFL, you're college football? Yeah, I mean, Colin, the Olympics is a ball of wax that does not fit into any other cylinder in terms of we're not talking about the NFL, the college football season. The problem with the Olympics is where would you delay it? When would you delay it until?

It's 50 to $100 million a year for these sponsorships. And so you're going to get to 2021. Then you have an issue with, hey, obviously there's 2024 Olympics, different games, but man, it is going to be extremely tough for them to delay it. And I don't, they have all these contingencies. They have force majors. They have, they have, they have,

they'll get enough of their money. It's not like the IOC's going to go under, but it's kind of hard to have a world convention right now as we're trying to social distance. Friday, I had, just a happenstance, had been in an area in Utah skiing. I had a day off, and I bumped into two CEOs, one CEO from Seattle, one from New York.

They have both predicted this was going to be a really rough week of cancellations and social distancing. You deal with a lot of CEOs, a much greater responsibility for your job. Are you hearing mostly a chorus of the same thing? Anybody feel we're overreacting? What are you hearing? So yesterday was pretty much, you know, the I need to be a leader.

I don't want to cause panic. I need my decisions not to lead to panic and the message that I sent. And then in between, again, like 9 and 10 o'clock last night, Eastern time, when all the decisions were just going down and it seemed like, you know what, these are not decisions that are being made by us. It's being made by the greater universe. These people aren't making decisions. Maybe, maybe as a leader, I am not in control of my company's destiny right now. And I think that's where it is.

It's not, you know, they're not the pilots that they were supposed to be. They have to let things go. And so yesterday was a I can control it. I'm going to control it. I'm going to make a measured decision, and I think that all went out the window this morning. Darren Ravelle joining us, Action Network, Sports Business Reporter. I've known Darren for, geez, I don't know, 10, 50 years. 20 years, yeah.

Gets a lot of crap on Twitter, but I find him a fascinating guy and very, very interesting. And you're a good friend of Chad Millman, who's a good friend as well. You know, in this world we live in, in California, Darren, you know, I'm from Washington State. So I called a friend last night in Seattle and he said, man, restaurants are empty, the streets are empty. I have a friend, John Henderson, a retired sports writer in Rome. And he's like, the streets are empty. California where I live, Manhattan Beach, it's kind of mostly business as usual. Are you based right now in New York, New Jersey?

Yes. Okay, can you give my audience listening, what is the sense, what is the sensibility right now in New York and New Jersey? Is there panic? Is there, I know in New Rochelle, New York, I saw the National Guard story. Give my audience a sense, if you will, of what you're dealing with on the East Coast, the Northeast. Well, I would say that the herd has sinned. Certainly I go in every morning from New York, from New Jersey to New York. There's definitely fewer people. There's cancellations at some high level, from banks. You know, earlier this week, there were some big law firms that said work from home, and you could notice it. But there wasn't really like on the streets of New York City. I don't think there was a sense of fear. And there weren't places that were normally very, very busy that were completely empty, so much that you take a photo, for example.

Yeah. So that's kind of where it is. Now, you know, there are some people. I'm friends with two lawyers, husband and wife, and they have three kids. Both their law firms are working from home, closed, and all their kids' schools in and around the city are closed. And, you know, now they're like, okay, we're going to move to New Jersey now. We don't feel comfortable in the city. So it just depends on various, you know, thresholds of where people want to be and what they think.

is best for their family. And, you know, one of the things that I've noticed is the, the information overload and the data and the lack of data is really what, I mean, this is as much, this is as much a data story as anything, unfortunately. Who do you believe? Do you believe, you know, that, that Italy, what's happening in Italy is the same thing that happened here? Is it the same strain? Is it whatever? You know, and then how do you, how do you deal with that information? And that's why there's an overload on Twitter with you can pull up any stat you want to serve whatever purpose you want. And I think in the end, we're still unclear, but that unclearness has at least led to today in sports, which is it's enough unclear that we want to be good as humans and we also don't want to be liable. Yeah, it was just in the market was down 2100.

it's now down 1,200. Even the market doesn't quite know what to do with it. You know, it crashes, there's buying opportunities, it goes back. There's uncertainty. And, you know, it's funny. I was talking to somebody on this, and I said, you know, as a broadcaster, you know, I'm hedging my bets. I'm not going to pretend I have information I don't know. I watched the Joe Rogan podcast, which was informative.

Yeah. I've called CEOs. You know, I've called the smartest people I know. they did say, Darren, most agree. Last Friday I got this. This is not a one or a two-week story. It is a spring and a summer story that we are at the beginning of this, potentially not even close to the middle.

Do you believe that? That's what the NIH and the top guys say. And that's why, you know, that Italy is just at a different stage as us. It's not that they don't know how to deal with it or whatever. And, you know, that's obviously that's very, that's very scary. And if you thought that, you know, there was nothing in the stores now, you know, wait for that. I mean, I hate to be saying something like that, but that's what, you know, people on that side say. That it is the same thing.

We're just at a different stage. And I pray that we have enough testing. I pray that we, that what has happened there, we, there's some learnings from it and maybe the weather and whatever, but I mean, that's really the number one story here. It's not really anything in sports. Sports is not going to help solve this. And then, you know, listen, ultimately, if there is a tournament, it's going to be the greatest betting tournament ever. People will be home and you don't have to have phectomy. And you don't have to sit on peas or lose something. But if not, Let's have the greatest fall in sports history.

You know, let's have, and it's not canceled yet, but let me choose between the Masters and a college football game for the first time. Let me choose between an NFL game and the Ryder Cup, whatever it is. Like, hopefully we can get through this, minimize lives lost, and maybe we have hopefully sports will be back and we'll be part part of our lives. again. Hey, Darren, good luck to you and your family, and thanks for informing us. I really appreciate it. You got it. You too, Colin. All right. Darren Ravel. Nick Rytle join us before the end of the hour. Jeff Goodman, basketball analyst for the site stadium. So, by the way, Big Ten, Big 12, SEC, ACC, and Big East at halftime canceled.

March Madness should be canceled. I don't think that's any wild referendum or declaration against the sport. I just think it tends to, it's landing at the beginning stages of a national health crisis. Let's not be stupid. I mean, maybe possibly we can just postpone it. If, you know, thinking positively, we're out of this in two months. Because, you know, you do have to think about, obviously we're not thinking about this now. But, you know, some of these kids, this is the last time they're going to play college basketball. You know, this means a lot to them.

They've worked for this, you know, all year. Postponing it may be an option as well. but we have to think about the greater good of society and everyone's health and safety first before everything else. Yeah, a little bit of football news around the corner as well. We'll keep updating you on that coming up next plus Nick Wright. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app.

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I'm bringing you conversations about all kinds of stuff, like being an internet famous referee. We're in the middle of a game. This linebacker, this linebacker walks up to me, he goes, Hey, ref, my mom wants you to wave at her. What? Time out. Quarterback on office blue of 42.

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Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before. And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series

because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball.

Like, you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back. It's, you know, it's just a, radio is my first love. I grew up as a kid wanting to be a baseball play-by-play announcer. And then I was very lucky out of college. Joy, I got a AAA baseball job one inning at 19, 20 years old. Incredibly lucky. Well, 21. And I love radio. Radio is my first love. I think people that know me know it's my first love. Now, in my world today, the simulcast, I like TV. I've always liked TV. But I love radio. So to be able to, I didn't have to work today. And I said, no, I like doing just radio only days. It's so much fun for me because, and I'm not going to bore you. But when you do a simulcast, my show becomes much more reductive.

I do fewer topics. That's because television audiences are not as loyal. My radio audience is incredibly big and incredibly loyal. And they stay with me. And they listen to my stupid stories. And they'll just get in the car and they'll listen for 25 minutes and they'll never turn the channel. My television audience doesn't like my topic. They're out.

I mean, literally, I'm always a visitor to them. I'm not family. To my radio audience, I'm more family. They've been with me for 20 years. In Portland, they've been with me forever. So I love doing radio-only shows. And, you know, today is one of those days where I can just, I feel like I'm not even doing a sports show.

I'm just doing a kind of a general talk show. And I hope you're enjoying it because even though it's a tough circumstance, It is, I think, important for people with an audience of, you know, which we have on this show, to take information, to appeal to common sense, not drive panic, but be, you know, I don't think it's panic driven to say, folks, the bull market's over. Okay, we're moving into a recession. The travel industry is going to take some lumps. We went 11 years without it. I don't think that's panic. I think that's realistic.

also think that creates marvelous buying opportunities. If you're a dollar cost average person like myself, don't get out of the market. Tough it out like you've done. I've done it seven times in my life. I've dealt with one of these situations. I'm not into being right today. I'm into getting information out. Hopefully we get it right.

But these are days I actually look forward to. They're different shows. They're unique shows. Because it can be sometimes when you're doing a simulcast, kind of a repetitive show. show. I hear that complaint. It doesn't hurt ratings, by the way. Repetition actually fuels ratings doesn't erode them. I will give you this non-virus story today. The Patriots, what a shock, got a league high four compensatory picks, including two third rounders yesterday. Belichick manipulates that system like nobody else. You know, in America, we often talk about there is income inequality.

There's also intellectual inequality. There's some dumb people. It's not a shock in the last 20 years. Well, since 1994, that the Packers, the Ravens in New England have been awarded the most compensatory picks. Smart teams. You want to know since 1994,

who's had the fewest compensatory picks, the Redskins, the Jets and the Browns. It's not just income inequality. Sometimes it's common sense inequality. Well-run teams consistently make better decisions and get compensatory picks. The Ravens, the Packers, and the Patriots work the system. Shocker. The Browns and the Jets and the Redskins don't.

I always had this theory. It's weird theory. But obviously not everybody has the same childhood. Some have good childhoods. Some have bad childhoods. many of you have had terrible childhoods. But by 45 years old, that's 25 years after like high school, 25, 26 years, you can't blame your parents anymore. Because if you make 10 decisions a day times 365 days a year, that's 3,600 decisions.

You multiply it by 25 years, that's 91,000 choices. If you mostly make good decisions out of the 91,000, 25 years after perhaps a crappy childhood or high school, You're going to become largely defined by your choices. So make good choices. Redskins, Jets, Browns don't make good choices. Packers, Ravens, Patriots, make better choices. One of the reasons I think Tom Brady stays in New England, it's hard to leave their brainpower.

It's very, very difficult to work with smart people, provocative, smart, dynamic, energetic, focused people, and then say, yeah, I'm going to go work. with the Titans that have not been as brilliant, or perhaps the Chargers, and they haven't been able to win the big games. They feel like they've lost a lot of the close games. When you go from the brain trust in, you know, a Baltimore or a New England, I think it's very difficult for Tom to say, yeah, I'm going to reset and reboot this and go to places that haven't been historically as mindful, thoughtful, and successful. That's why I think Brady stays in New England. I think it's

really hard to walk away from that. Flyers Lightning, NHL season, by the way, they are meeting right now. They are having a call between the commissioner in the NHL and some of the owners on canceling their season. Baseball, Joy, do you have that story? Baseball has, John, do we have it? They've canceled spring training. Essentially, Major League Baseball is they're going to push back their regular season. Again, I think this is simply the smart thing to do. I think it's the smart thing to do.

So the very latest is baseball is going to push back their regular season. And I believe the very latest we have is some cancellations of spring training. That's what they've done. Cancelled Spring Training. It's what they should do. Discover matches, all the cash back you earn on your credit card end of your first year. Even more amazing. Discovers accepted at over 95 places, 95% of the places in the U.S.

that take credit cards. Discover.com slash yes, limitations apply, joy of the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Yeah, Ken Rosenthal just tweeted about six minutes ago. Announcement expected shortly that MLB will be suspending operations, more details to come. They have suspended operations indefinitely at the moment. So obviously we are all reacting to the news of all the suspended leagues and seasons and tournaments.

And players around the NBA shared their thoughts after the NBA season was suspended. LeBron said, man, we canceling sporting events, school, office work, et cetera, et cetera. What we really need to cancel is 2020. Damn, it's been a rough three months. God bless and stay safe. Steph Curry said 2020 ain't it. Don't know what to compare the situation to. Just got to buckle up and take care of yourself from those around you.

Basketball will be back at some point, but right now protect yourself and stay safe out there. Sam Decker tweeted, this is like that scene in Space Jam when the commissioner says no more basketball games will be played. Do you remember that scene? Yes. A little humor in some dark times. Truly wild times we're living in. And then C.J. McCollum tweeted, I hope all the players take some time to really work on life outside of basketball,

using your resources and celebrities to your advantage. Take the meetings, diversify, and learn to explore other avenues of income while you're still in the league because when it's over, it's over. So everyone kind of reacting to the news there. Mark Cuban found out that the NBA was postponing this season while he was sitting on the sidelines of the Mavericks game last night. He said the news felt more like something out of a movie than reality. is also looking into ways he can help out his employees while the games aren't being played.

When some of the things were coming up that we might not play games, and this was yesterday, I reached out to the folks at the arena and our folks at the Mavs to find out what it would cost to support, financially support people who aren't going to be able to come to work. You know, they get paid by the hour, and this was their source of income. And so we'll do some things there. We may ask them to go do some volunteer work in exchange, but we've already started the process of having a program in place. And I don't have any details to give, but it's certainly something that's important

to me. Hopefully more NBA teams and obviously MLB teams and facilities will keep this in mind that there are a lot of people out there who rely on these events for financial stability. And obviously, big boosts as well. I mean, you have the whole, you know, restaurant and service industry that's going to take a huge hit, not just travel because people are not going to be doing illegally things that they usually do. Hockey season just went on hiatus.

Hockey said NHL just reported, listen, we hope to pick up again. Pick up again. But right now, NHL, like the NBA, has said, we're scaling back. Yes. So keep this in mind. And if you're out there,

you're collecting from people, keep in mind that people who do not have income right now that are working hourly jobs. It's nice that Mark Cuban is even thinking of that right away to put that in place. So hopefully other leaders will follow suit with that. Finally, a little news, away from the coronavirus news.

The NFL said the league year will still begin as scheduled. So Tom Brady will hit Free Agency on Wednesday and the Bucks, reportedly, are going all in on him. According to the Tampa Bay Times, the team is ready to spend what it takes to get Brady to Tampa.

The legal tampering period begins Monday at noon Eastern and Free Agency is Wednesday at 4 p.m. Eastern. Well, they should. They need him. They do need him, but... It's also a bad NFL brand. Like Bridgewater may be the better fit, but Brady's better for the brand. Yes.

Bridgewater is the better fit for the bucks. Brady would be a bigger, a bigger splash, of course, but not probably better for them long term. Yeah. I mean, I would sign Bridgewater with three years, four years and have no problems. Tom, I'd want one or two. I just, I do believe this to be true. If you're just talking about personnel, the Chargers is the best fit for them. Absolutely.

I mean, they, you know, I joke, I call them Noah's Ark. They have two of everything. Pass rushers, running backs, wide receivers. The offensive line gives me a little pause. Yeah. They're working on it. But the chargers are also the best location. While the Bucks could use the brand boost, the chargers could really use the brand boost.

Also, Tom just opened up as production company in L.A. He started his production company. It is Los Angeles. It's, he would instantly be the biggest, the biggest football star, of course, in Los Angeles. Immediately. It's, uh, it would be. sort of a LeBron-style move for him to come to the Chargers. But again, then you're going to be going up against Mahomes, you know, twice a year.

I don't love all of it for the Chargers. Obviously, the best and easiest place for him to go would be, like you just said, a few minutes ago, New England. Yeah. But doesn't that feel a little anti-climatic at this point? Well, it's interesting. I thought about this. Tom is very much, and he started, after you beat Atlanta in the Super Bowl, he did make a more public shift to his next career. Yes.

He started doing more commercials. Tombers time. Yeah. Just go look in the last three years. Just think about this. Mookie Betts, L.A., LeBron L.A., Anthony Davis, L.A., Kauai, L.A., Paul George, L.A.

Now, why would that be? Because as you have a convergence of sports and entertainment, the agents of said stars are saying, just get to L.A. I think New York is so poorly run in terms of ownership and general managers currently in that city, that they got KD. and Kyrie, but New York would be the other place to push people.

It's not the entertainment capital that L.A. is. Right. But I don't think it's a coincidence that the best two baseball players in the sport are both in L.A. By the way, Bryce Harper wanted to play in L.A. The Dodgers weren't willing to pay him. So if the Dodgers were willing to pay him, the Dodgers could have Mike Trout,

Mookie Betts, and Bryce Harper all in L.A. and the NBA's got four of the top six, seven, eight players in L.A. If he didn't have a salary cap in the NBA, you'd have far more players. So just think of Steph and Clay and Draymond. So I think Brady and his agent, they're now in the mogul stage. I do think L.A. works. It's a LeBron-style move. And it's just like what I just said about C.J. McCollum tweeting,

looking to other avenues of income. The entire sports landscape is so different now. and Tom is obviously, I'm sure, done well with his money. Clearly, they're half a billionaire. But so many athletes are focusing on different ways that they can diversify their money. What are they going to do after they retire? It's not the old days of like, you can't speak the word retirement. You can't, you know, you can't invest in this or that.

Like, it's a part, it's a lifestyle now. Oh, absolutely. You're thought of kind of as a short-sighted myopic dope if you don't consider life after sports. Of course. So that being in L.A., the opportunities out here in so many different avenues, and it's, yeah, as I'm saying, it sounds like the place to go, but it really is based off of what his, as you said, will know what it is that he wants, what his motivations are when he makes his decision.

Good stuff, Joy Taylor with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Nick Wright joins me next. Nick Wright, around the corners. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd, Weekdays, and noon Eastern, Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are

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We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson,

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Oh, yeah. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Point Game on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Right, welcome back. If you're buying a car, the internet can be confusing with vague pricing. Not anymore. Go to True Car up front price from a dealer online.

Buy smarter, drive happier, true car. Nick Wright, my buddy, first thing's first co-host. I'm told they didn't have a show today because I'm not sure if it's college basketball related or not, but Nick Wright is joining us. So you're in the heart of New York City. In California, Nick, it's been pretty low key and chill. But in New York, do you sense less traffic, less people, social distancing? What do you sense right now?

Yeah, definitely less traffic. The show, we didn't do the show today. It wasn't college basketball related. It was what I would call an abundance of caution related because of what's going on right now. And I would just implore people, Colin, you're an expert in a lot of things. This ain't one of them. I'm an expert in maybe a couple things. This ain't one of them.

But thanks to the Internet, we can hear what, like, the doctors and biologists and the true experts are saying. And it seems to me like they are almost unanimous that especially the young and healthy have a moral obligation to try to slow the spread of this thing. so our medical centers don't get overwhelmed. And so I think that's part of the reason we were off the air today and we'll be off the air tomorrow because there's no real way to move around New York City without using mass transportation. L.A. is obviously different. But I'm really curious what's going to happen to New York over the next 10 days

because I don't think the city functions without the subway. And I think the subway appears to be a really good incubator for this thing. Yeah. And I also think, I mean, Italy had it basically just shut down everything. You know, I don't think it's crazy to suggest. Just keep your eyes open for the next month. We're canceling all events now. California basically said yesterday, 250 people plus events.

Uh-uh, can't have them. I mean, that is largely shutting down. That's social distancing abruptly happening in a state that has a lot of gatherings. So I wouldn't be shocked at the subway system in New York shuts down. My takeaway on the NBA yesterday was, yeah, this is smart. I mean, this is what you do, right? Colin, it's the only thing they can do. Now, if the whole league comes back negative, you know, obviously Gober and Donovan Mitchell

have come back positive. Can you hold the games in empty arenas? I think you probably could. But the single worst thing, again, this isn't according to me. It's according to the experts are not only large gatherings of kids. people. But what do people do at sporting events? They drink and they high five. So large gatherings of people potentially coughing or cheering or yelling and then high fiving people, especially when it's gatherings like the NCAA tournament where people come in from one location,

leave to a different location, and this thing sprawls. I, it's all about like it does not see, You had a really smart tweet earlier, Colin, which I don't know if it was yesterday or today, which is this isn't going to be a three or four week story. This is a multiple month thing we are now going to have to deal with. And what all the doctors are saying is, listen, we've got 100,000 ICU beds in the whole country. At any given time, 65% of them are full. So this isn't about limiting the total number of people who ultimately get this. because that might not be possible.

This is about elongating the timeline in which people get this. So when people do get it, if they need real medical care, you don't show up to the hospital and say, we're all full. So I thought it would have been wildly irresponsible for the NBA to let fans continue going to games. I didn't think they were going to take the step of suspending the season, but I also didn't think Rudy Gobert was going to that's positive. And Rudy

Gobert, I mean, him making a joke of this whole thing and rubbing his hands on those reporters' microphones is going to be an image that lives on for a very, very long time, at least for me. Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

I was saying today, I hope we all realize it's not about being right, it's getting it right. I watch, you know, this is one of the things where the media just turns me off. Folks, unless you're a doctor, and even if you are, let's not worry about being right on Twitter.

Let's, let's like elevate the discussion, right? Like, I watch Twitter and I'm like, oh, good hell, people. And here's the thing. If we take super aggressive steps right now and hopefully can mitigate this thing as much as possible, there will be an arm of people who are right now saying, this is nothing. Everyone's overreacting that if we mitigate the damage, we'll then wave their flag and say, see, told you it was nothing. But you can't worry about that right now. The only thing to worry about right now is, can you, I did tweet this. Look, I'm the son of a fireman, but unless you're a fireman,

policeman, first responder in the medical field, the odds are you'll never actually be able to help save another person's life. Like, it's just not what our calling is. Right now, we actually do all collectively have the ability to help potentially save a stranger's life. And the logic of, well, it only affects really the sick and the old. I don't know about you, guys. But God willing, one day I hope to be a super old person. I hope to be laughably old, frighteningly old, where my eyebrows all connect and my hair comes out my ears. I hope that if and when that day happens, if there is something like this that the young, healthy people value taking care of me. Like that, like, hey, that life matters too.

And so that's where we, and if you only look at it from, if you can only see your own, own perspective. And you're like, nope, this thing ain't going, ain't going to get me. And even if it gets me, I'll be fine. None of us are immune to sap infections, pneumonia, a car accident, needing random hospitalization. And if when that happens, the hospitals are full, then even the young and healthy could be screwed. Like, this is a really easy one for me. And I, and I'm glad that may, even though we might be a few weeks behind, it looks like people are starting to take it more Seriously. Yeah, I mean, I was in a hospital Sunday night at three in the morning. I had a stomach virus, did not eat, stood up in the bathroom, collapsed, and I have seven stitches in my forehead. And I had six. So that's what happened to you? Yeah. Yeah. I thought you hopped in that hot tub. You took a picture of the guy clocked you. I didn't know. No. So I mean, and I, and by the way, when I walked into that hospital, you know, on a gurney, it was a bunch of young people and old people. Hospitals are filled with all. sorts of people. So there was a young kid sick. It was old, young. There was a 10-year-old kid in there

with his grandparents. And the grandparents were fine and the kid wasn't. By the way, I buy car insurance. I've been in one wreck in my life and it was minor. So being right, I buy it to get it right. I know that when I buy insurance, it never really pays me off. But I'm not trying to win with insurance. I'm trying. Yeah. Right. And let me say, I won't say one other thing on this. And this wasn't my point. This was a very smart doctor who I follow on Twitter made this point. This woman, her husband, unfortunately a few years ago, got a brain tumor and passed away. And she made the point that if we just change the way we are conceptualizing this, where if there was, if all of a sudden, we found out, Listen, guys, if you moderately adjust your own behavior, then someone won't get cancer.

You'd be like, oh, well, then I'll do it. Like, if going to a Knicks game can all of a sudden make it drastically more likely someone were to get a brain tumor, you'd be like, well, even if I haven't met them, I won't go to the game because it's the right thing to do. That same line of logic follows. and this is where we do, and I don't mean to sound corny or cheesy or self-righteous or any of these things, but this is where it is, you remember the big debate a few months ago? 30 seconds, 30 seconds.

The reclining your seat on the airplane. Yeah. And it's like, well, you have the right to, but we are in a society. Like, we all do got to kind of work together on something like this, and I hope people do. Sorry, I ran to. No, good stuff. Right, love you, brother. As usual, smart perspectives.

Nick Wright, first things first. Hate your job. Time for a career change. Life is an IT prone, as little as four months. Go to my computer career. Dot E.D.U. Hour three next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m.

Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Welcome in, Hour 3. We're live in L.A. This is The Hurd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, we're on IHeart Radio and Fox Sports Radio podcast available later. We have some video clips we're putting up on Fox Sports Radio. Joy Taylor is joining me. Duke just announced University of Duke, Duke Duke University, that even if the March Madness wasn't canceled, they're not participating.

So Duke, Duke is done, will not be participating. Cancel March. The easiest thing in the world to do today is cancel March Madness. All athletic activities are canceled for Duke. Yeah, so that means Duke is not in the tournament if they had it. They're out, meaning the tournament, March Madness is over. I don't understand the argument to be made that people are overreacting. Think about insurance.

We all have homeowners insurance. You can't own a home without insurance. It's not legal, I don't think, to have a car without insurance. I don't know. I've never done that. But you know that you may spend tens of thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands of dollars in a life to have car insurance. and you'll never get in Iraq. But you're just doing it to protect yourself.

It's smart so you don't get sued, right? And you can protect yourself if you get in an accident and you or your family members get hurt. It's the same thing with coronavirus. Don't worry about winning the arguments here. Just the upside to this not spreading to 70% of the country is social distancing and canceling. The downside is, well, I don't get to watch.

date and play. Nobody cares. I mean, nobody cares. I mean, a big picture, just don't be stupid. You know, I'm going to stay in the house overwhelmingly if I can. I'm going to go on some, I'm going to go on a long walk today. But if I can not go to public places, I'll try to avoid them. I know, if I have to work, go work. If I can avoid work, I'll avoid work. I'll walk around. Outside, if I can, get some fresh air. But, you know, I'm not going to go to any concerts or venues. I'm not going to go to any games. I don't think we should have it. them. I think it's smart. Whenever I find people who are just, they need to be right. It's such an obvious mask of insecurity. I don't know anything other than the smart people I talked to who last

Friday told me, cancel your European trip. Get out of it. You know, you don't need to panic and go by Purell. But don't do any overseas travel. Don't. And cancel any big meetings you're going to have if they're large gatherings, concerts, cancel them. I was told that last Friday. They predicted this week there would be a little bit of panic, market crash, be very aware. There's going to be widespread canceling of events. I was told that Friday. So, you know, my wife and I talked about it over the weekend.

My wife was very emotional about a trip to Ireland starting tomorrow. And so I didn't want to tell her what I was told, which is cancel it. So Friday I suggested it. Saturday, I really suggested it. And Sunday we did it. You know, it's just the smartest people have been ahead of this thing. You know, like Belichick's always a little ahead of the curve. The smartest people I've talked to on Friday were predicting this.

They were CEOs of companies I just happened to bump into in Deer Valley, Utah, and a Seattle and a Seattle CEO said, cancel stuff, don't go to Europe. Stay off planes if you can. And we'll see this is where, you know, it's sometimes when I host this show, and I used to take calls. And I would say, I would suggest something. People would say, what about the kids?

And I would say, well, that's why you're a parent. It's not just making them. Anybody can make kids. It's about wisdom. And I've always thought that I want my kids to make mistakes while I'm in their proximity or in their lives. What I don't want to do is shelter my kids, send them off to college, and they're in a fetal position because they can't make top ramen by themselves or if there's a crisis, they don't

know how to act. This is where leadership is really important. I'm not a huge fan of the current president. I think he's over his skis on this, but I don't want to make this a political issue. I think you are defined in life by how you handle crises as a parent, as a CEO, as a commissioner, as a president. This is a real crisis. And last night's speech had to be corrected and modified because there were several mistakes made during the speech.

You know, it's discouraging. But be that as it may, that's the current person in the White House. And you just hope we make good decisions going forward. This is not a hoax, as was suggested a week ago. It has never been with the smart people. The smartest people on this have never thought it was a hoax. they have been progressive. I think Adam Silver is very bright.

Let's get ahead of it. What you want to do in these, when you see a chart where it goes to the sky, what you want to do is break that off and make it quickly turn downward in number of cases that we're having. You do that by some isolation, canceling concerts, canceling leagues, canceling events. It's what smart people do. It's what smart people do. They buy insurance to protect in case of an emergency. even if you don't have it, you're protected.

Peace of mind. We also live in a world now where, you know, I didn't grow up with Twitter. Hell, I didn't grow up with the Internet. I barely grew up with cable TV. Something that is, you know, kind of a case study on this, going forward in our lives, this is something now that it's a reality. It was never a reality in my life. It is now a reality.

Panic. It used to be that mostly qualified people got opinions. A governor, a senator, a spokesperson, an accredited media member, a writer for the L.A. Times or the Chicago Tribune, who had gone to college and had a journalism degree. Those days are over. Anybody can have a blog. I fell down this past weekend and ripped my head open. and I had stomach virus, didn't eat, collapsed.

Literally online yesterday, cowherd got into a fight with his wife. That's what people are saying. Nobody's saying that. Nobody in the world is saying that. Especially the seven firefighters who showed up to my door. But now you can do that. It is unaccredited, not terribly bright, attention seekers, posturing, pruning, and that's the world we live in.

And there's going to be a lot of disinformation going forward. And unfortunately, it's not just by amateurs. I see a lot of agenda-driven people in the media, trying to win stuff instead of educate. I've always felt my job is largely to inform and entertain. I try to be right all the time. Sometimes I'm wrong. I sit all night like a, you know, a boring person,

and I text all day, and I talk all day, and I have meetings all day with people who are sources, My wife laughs at it. She's like, is this gossip? I'm like, no, it's an NFL scout. I need this information. So I think that's my job. I see a world where we live in now where there's a lot of disinformation

and it comes down to your discretion. I have never had more newspaper subscriptions than I actually have now. Why? Because the amount of disinformation has me seeking legitimate information. Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, L.A. Times, New York Times, the athletic, I have never, in my life, had read more or had more newspaper subscriptions. Why? Because I want clarity in a world which I live now with so much disinformation. So it's become the people who have real information have become incredibly valuable to me.

You know, I depend on four or five people at the L.A. Times I trust for local news. The Athletic, the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg for my financial stuff, the Washington Post, the New York Times, well, they're liberal. Whatever. I need information from accredited people. And all I can tell you on this, it is not a two-week story. Do not believe anybody that tells you that in two weeks will all be good. It's not what we have here. We're going to have a two-to-three-month story.

And let's just help our neighbors, help the less fortunate, help. helped the compromise physically and financially. Let's be good citizens. You know, I remember post 9-11. I worked at another network at the time, and I remember saying this, and I got really emotional about this. I don't know why this is,

but it is that 9-11, the only upside to it, was that it brought us together. Nobody cared if you were a blue or a red guy. Republican Democrat. elephant donkey. It didn't matter. You were an American. Didn't matter. And it lasted about a week. And then we all went back to taking sides and taking shots at each other. But 9-11 provided this brief window of empathy for each other. And I hope over the next month,

we can share some of those qualities. I thought Nick Wright nailed it. Like, let's be smart. Let's help each other. Americans. Okay? It doesn't matter if you're a patriot, blue team, red team. It doesn't matter. Served, haven't served. Help people. Step up. Be a good neighbor.

Be a good citizen. Jeff Goodman. March Madness, my guess is going to be canceled. Kansas, thank you, John Goulet. Kansas is out of any tournaments. Kansas will not participate in any form of March Madness. Duke is out. I think Jeff Goodman knows what's going to happen here in the next 10 minutes.

Be sure to catch live edition. of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific. Welcome back. Jeff Goodman has been covering college basketball, now the NBA for a long time. Stadium basketball analyst, good sight, formerly CBS Foxy, SPN, and Jeff is now joining us in the herd. All right, Jeff, I'm sure you've heard this. Duke out, Kansas out. Is the tournament done, in your opinion? I don't think it's done, but I think there's no doubt that it's not going to go on next week. I think if you're Mark Cameron, what you do is you have selection Sunday at this point to give all the teams and the players, you know, what they've earned. You know, the Rutgers is who haven't been in the NCAA tournament forever.

You give them, again, the NCAA tournament birth and go through the whole selection Sunday. And then you postpone and suspend the tournament right now and try to figure out every scenario with all the information you have. And maybe it comes down to where you've got to play it in a month and you've got to play it in a month. and you've got to play it all in one site, all down Atlanta. Maybe it comes down to where you play the regionals all in one site. I don't know, but I think you have the selection Sunday, but yeah, I don't think there's any way in hell that we have the NCAA tournament next week. Well, starting this weekend, if they had a play, now they've all canceled the tournaments,

it would have been in 4200, just in Division I, athletes, not counting trainers, coaching staffs. The NBA's got 450 personnel, two players already have it. There's virtually no chance you wouldn't have. some contracting, contracting the coronavirus of 4,200 people. What's the upside to having the tournament? I mean, in smaller, and by the way, NBA guys are private jets. You don't have the contact of the college campus. These guys live, you know, big homes, you know, small groups, and they've said season done.

What's the upside to having the tournament? Well, obviously the upside to having the tournament is these kids work their butts off. So for them, the upside, I guess it's more about the downside of not having it, right, taking it away from these kids, you know, at Dayton that has a chance to win a national title, a San Diego state. It is the most wide open year probably since I've been covering the sport. So I guess that would be the downside not giving these kids, especially seniors who are not going to have another shot at this. unless the NCAA does something different and says,

hey, seniors, you know what, we'll give you an extra year. If you want to come back to school, we'll give you an extra year. We're going to add on instead of 13 scholarships next year. We're going to give everybody 15, and you can only maybe play 13. You've got a red shirt a couple of guys, however you do it. I think you're right, calm. The bottom line is the risk far outweighs the reward in all this. And it's not worth it with everything that.

has come out in the uncertainty. If you're the NCAA, what matters most, the student athlete? So to me, you can't put the student athlete at risk here for your financial game, which is with the TV contract, obviously. If I, listen, if I ran the NCAA, I'm Mark Emmer, and I was just completely selfish, and I was only worried about how it landed on me, if that was the case, and I'm not saying it is, I would cancel it because if, somebody contracted it, which is going to happen if you have 4,200 players, you know what the headline is. Mark Emmert exploiting. Yeah.

Mark Emert exploiting people. So if I was selfish as the CEO essentially of college sports, on the selfish reasons, I'd be like, God, this is idiotic. There's no way you're going to have 4,200 people. I mean, you pulled a bunch of coaches this morning, didn't you? I did. 47 of them said not to go ahead. I told 80 of them that all were supposed to play today in tournament games.

47 of them said they would not advise they don't want to play. 33 of them, which was actually more than I thought, Colin, said they wanted to play. Did you get any DMs or personal messages by any, you don't have to say the name, noteworthy people that thought, you know, this is just being, this is ridiculous, it's panic. The highest of high major coaches, multiple ones, texted me and said basically that exact sentiment. Yeah, I talked to somebody in Atlanta last night who's a, runs a large company, and, you know, he thought it was a little bit too much panic. But to that, I would say, the downside to canceling stuff is, now you lose some revenue.

the upside is, you know, we don't lose 1% of the population. I mean, you look at what Italy is doing. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if governors now in states basically shut states down, maybe smaller states. Is that sound crazy to you? No. I mean, again, look at what it has changed so much in such a short period of time that we don't know what it's going to look like, three, five, eight days from. now. So to me, why not are on the side of caution?

Like, doesn't that just make logical sense, Colin? Like, just to me, again, yes, we're going to lose some money here. The stock market is continuing to plunge. I get it all. But what's the worst thing that can happen? All of that, the market will rebound at some point. We know

that. Yeah. Maybe you'll play the tournament games. Maybe it'll suck for all those kids if you don't. The NBA season, I don't know what's going to happen. But ultimately, isn't Isn't help of our citizens far more important than all of that? Of course it is. By the way, let's just say best case scenario in five weeks.

The trends are it's not spreading. Could you make March madness May madness? Does it even work logistically? Well, the only problem with all that is if you go too deep, you're going to have kids that graduate, seniors that graduate. and want to move on. Sure. And some are going to declare for the draft

and start training for the NBA draft. So you can't push it back too far, but I just got off the phone with someone, and he said, listen, you can push it back a couple weeks. The Masters is during the day. You could fly Jim Nance, oh, by the way, from just to Atlanta on a private jet. And last I checked, the games, the final four games,

are at night. They don't have to interfere with the Masters. So you could push it back a couple of things. couple weeks, no problem if you had to. Now, I don't know if anything's going to change a couple weeks. It could go the other way, and it could be worse. We don't know that. But to me, again, you don't have to make a decision today other than saying, we're going to have selection Sunday to give everybody their day. And then we're going to evaluate and reassess as the days go by and kind of see what makes the most sense. By the way, Duke and Kansas have

already pulled out. They will not be the last. They're two of the five biggest programs. I mean, it feels like to me, Jeff, in the next three hours, we're going to have five more big-name schools, and that's just going to force Mark Hembert into a cancel. I mean, Duke's basically said, we're out, period. We're not doing it. I mean, if Duke's out, if Kansas is out, you know, those are the big dogs. You know there's going to be people that don't want to look like they're not compassionate to amateur athletics, right? Yeah, they're forcing his hands. Yes. Ultimately, what they're doing here.

is they're saying, hey, Mark Emmer, you know what? You're taking your sweet-ass time like you always do with the NCAA. We're going to make the decision for you here because we're not playing, and you can't have an NCAA tournament without Kansas and Duke. Yeah, I would be shocked if in 24 hours it wasn't canceled. That's just me. But I think, I mean, momentum is a real thing. You know, if Alabama and Clemson said in college football,

we're not doing something, we have a health crisis, I think a lot of people would follow the two leaders of the industry. You know, it's like if Apple said something in Facebook in Silicon Valley, a lot of people would follow, right? Google said something. So, all right, Jeff Goodman's Stadium. He polled 80 coaches this morning, 47 said don't play 33. That's really high. Said yes, but, you know, people have their opinions.

This is a fluid situation. Anything else, Jeff, you want to add? Well, I think the biggest thing is how the NCAA screwed this whole thing up with the conference tournaments. all they had to do is have a conference call this morning with every commissioner of every league, you know, tournament league and get one decision, one uniform decision, and one tweet or one statement saying, you know what, all league tournaments been canceled. Instead, you had the big east playing a half. Like, what the hell is going on here?

Just get a commissioner for college basketball who knows what the hell they're doing. And you can actually have some organization with, with, this sport and with the NCAA. But again, listen, it was a complete train wreck today. Yeah. Good talking to you, Jeff. You too, Colin. I'll talk to you soon, man. All right. Yeah, you know, it's funny about leadership. I grew up where you had boxing, and boxing was a big deal when I was a kid. Ollie, Frasier, Ken Norton, Sugar Ray Leonard, Hagler-Herns, Thomas Hitman-Herns, I mean, Roberto Duran. It was international, but it was so big domestically. And, um, but they never had any leadership.

They had Bob Aram. They had Don King, who were promoters, concerned primarily about their own businesses, top-rank boxing for Aram. One of the reasons UFC was able to flourish is because they had Dana White. They had like a CEO. They had leadership, the Fratita family and Dana White. And Dana White was the street fighter for him,

and the Fratitas were the corporate face and the rich guys, the billionaires. And it really hurt boxing. And then as UFC sold off, and now goes behind a paywall. It is allowed boxing to reemerge a little bit. Not that UFC is shrinking by any stretch. But I guess my point is the reason the UFC, and it was never easy,

they got thrown off cable by the late John McCain, the reason the UFC was able to grow over 8 to 10 years, the lack of leadership in boxing. It was a self-serving sport with big-name, rich millionaire promoters took care of themselves. and their handful of boxers. So, you know, and here came UFC with a street fighter and Dana White and billionaires in the fatitas.

And they really stole the headlines for, you know, eight to ten years. Now, boxing has made a comeback because all these sports networks now need content and boxing to zone, Fox, ESBM Plus. We all need boxing. We all need content. It's just interesting. When I think about leadership, the NCAA, like college football doesn't have. have a commissioner. How? Like, that's just an obvious, if I was the NCAA president, Mark Emmert, okay, college football has a board and a commissioner. I mean, you know how ridiculous? I love college football. You know how ridiculous it is? That the SEC plays eight conference games,

the Pac-12 plays nine. You don't have a czar of scheduling. It's just a joke. And leadership matters. The NFL in my lifetime, Roselle, Roger Goodell, Paul Tagliabu, haven't always been popular among the media, but it's been strong leadership. The NBA, by the way, David Stern and Adam Silver, I think are strong leaders. Those are the two sports in my lifetime that keep growing,

the NBA and the NFL. If you find a sport that hasn't, don't blame the players, don't blame the fans, don't blame the media, look upstairs, just like the NFL. Washington Redskins, Cleveland Browns, New York Jads, Detroit Lions. Stop blaming the coaches.

Stop blaming the players. Look upstairs to the owners. No leadership. Joy with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So the NBA isn't the only league to make big moves regarding the coronavirus.

So I have a bunch of updates here. If you haven't heard already, the NHL has temporarily suspended this season. MLB is expected to suspend. Well, they have suspended operations today. The MLS has suspended the season for 30 days. The NFL is still starting a new league year next week, but multiple teams are suspending travels for coaches and scouts. The Eagles announced they will close their facility tomorrow,

and the NFL's spring meeting has been canceled. Most of the college basketball conference tournaments have been canceled. Duke and Kansas are also suspending all of their athletics indefinitely. So if there is a tournament, which we don't know yet, they will not be participating. The PGA tour will continue without fans. CFL canceled their combine in offseason business. NASCAR will run its next two races without fans.

U.S. soccer canceled all its events through April. ATP men's tennis suspended competition for six weeks. Champions League and the Liga has suspended games. WrestleMania is April 5th is still on at the moment. So everyone is kind of waiting in an update on that. That's in Tampa Bay, obviously a big deal because there's a lot of fans at WrestleMania. And you can't really have WrestleMania without fans.

Yeah, it's like March Madness without them. It's no, it's March without the madness. Yeah, it just doesn't work. So, I mean, that's a few weeks away, obviously. So they're still waiting to make a decision on that. But at the moment, those are the things that it's canceled, which is basically everything. So it's kind of not a good scene last night for Nebraska coach Fred Hoyberg. He did not look good during the game.

He was seen sweating and coughing on the sidelines. I was shown on camera, leaning over and rubbing his head. He was sent to the hospital and his team was quarantined in the locker room while waiting for him to be evaluated. but he was eventually released after being diagnosed with influenza A, so he does not have Corona. He does have a history of heart problems at open art surgery in 2005. Fred Hoyberg has? Yes.

And had a valve replacement in 2015. But he is okay. He does not have coronavirus, and they did release the team after quarantining them. So that's a good news there. Hopefully he gets better soon. Finally, Donovan Mitchell also tested positive for coronavirus. We know Rudy Gobert did. and then they tested everyone, 58 people.

Donovan Mitchell was the only other one out of the 58 people that were tested that did have coronavirus. He posted a message on Instagram thanking everyone for their concern and urging people to stay safe. He said in part, thanks to everyone who has been reaching out since hearing the news about my positive tests. We are all learning more about the seriousness of the situation and hopefully people can continue to educate themselves and realize that they need to behave responsibly, both for their own health and for the well-being of those around them. So, you know, we've all seen a scene of Rudy rubbing the microphones, which, in hindsight, not a funny joke at the time anyway. But now obviously, as Nick Wright said earlier, is going to be a lasting image of this sports world shutting down. A really unfortunate situation there.

But they are both reportedly feeling fine, even though they have been diagnosed with it or attested positive for it. Professional athletes, according to what I've read. would be safer than older Americans with physical... Well, yeah, I mean, they're at their physical peak, the most healthy possible. So, yeah, but he didn't test positive for it. They're monitoring the situation. But the good news is that the other 58 did not, or 56 people, did not test positive for coronavirus. Listen, I want to read you this.

So we know California, the state has ordered any gathering of 250-plus people. Canceled. Yet I'm reading this on the Internet. joy. California Governor Gavin Newsom just told the press, Disneyland in Anaheim is exempt because it's, quote, a very complex situation. Not really. No.

Wouldn't that be the first place in the state you'd? I don't mean to be cynical, snarky media person, but did somebody at Disney perhaps fund Newsom's... campaign. Disney would be not a place that you want to go right now. If I said to you, there's this hub of international visitors, especially from Southeast Asia. Wouldn't it be Disney in that I'm?

Am I nuts on that? No, I'm very surprised Disney hasn't been. That would be, if you told me. I think that qualifies as a gathering of 250 or more people. With international attendees. I'm sure it will eventually. be closed. Boy, that is just...

All parks. All venues have been closed. So I'm sure that it will be closed. Yeah. Joy with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

Doug Gottlieb is going to join us around the corner. One more Herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. So I hope we provided some information today that's useful. Shom Sharanya, who broke the story from The Athletic, Darren Ravel, Jeff Goodman stopped by, Nick Wright stopped by.

I thought with a nice perspective. Yeah, I used to work at Disney. I worked at ESPN for 10 or 11 years, owned by Disney. And, boy, that is Bob Eiger recently stepped down. Very, they're in the crosshairs of some. the cruise line business is done. The theme park business, which is the greatest driver of revenue for Disney, is going to face some tough times.

Now, the good news is Disney has a lot of movies and TV, and Netflix stock is a buy. We're going to be watching a lot of TV. There's going to be a lot of people working at home. The top internet companies will get lots of downloads and click. Netflix is going to get a lot of views. There won't be sports. The sport networks won't have audience.

But your Hulus and your Netflix and your HBO's and your showtimes and your paramounts. There's obviously going to be a lot of TV viewing. The theme part, you know who I thought about Joy that Mickey Erison owns the Miami Heat? He's in the cruise line. He's in the John, John, Mike. He's in the cruise line business. that is yeah it's carnival cruise lines right here's Doug here yeah yeah yeah it's

so Kansas is not out of the tournament they have suspended athletics but they're not officially Duke has basically said yeah we're done yeah I mean what you're Doug Otley joining us what's your guess on so so two days ago I'm getting ready to do your show with joy we're walking out to the set

and we had like a little discussion about I'm like you know let's not not focus on the coronavirus Not to understand how, but it's like it's sports. You know, sports supposed to be fun. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Sure.

Not necessarily interesting. From, like, I don't think it's necessarily what's happened. It's the pace by which it's happened. Fast. Remarkable. And these are not, you know, to cancel a game is like a little speedboat to turn around. Yeah. To cancel tournaments.

Yeah. And then, you know, I'm likely, obviously, to postpone the NCAA tournament. I don't know if they canceled it yet. Like, you know, that's like a massive ship. Yeah. to turn around. There's all sorts of ramifications. Can I give you one actual good thing?

Yeah. Okay, here's a good thing that no one has discussed. We're going to discuss on my show. I can guarantee there will be no massive buyouts in college basketball. Like Archie Miller, safe. Yeah. Shaka, smart, safe. Danny Manning, probably safe.

Here's why. First of all, there's no conclusion to the season. Just a weird conclusion. But who are you going to call and say, hey, man, we need $15 million to buy this guy out. Most of these guys just lost 30% of their side. savings. They're not digging in. I'm like one good thing for college coaches is like, hey, let's get this thing done.

And while the economy is bad, nobody's buying anyone out. They suspended trading on the floor of the Dow Jones. The Dow Jones today. Right. It's down in 2000. So we've had a 35% market correction, which is, by the way, that's what a recession is. Yes. So we've had

so. Yeah, but generally a recession is not over three days, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, over three, this is a crash like we've never seen. It's a, it's Listen, are we overreacting? I don't think so. I think I said this earlier.

I buy auto insurance. I've had it for 35 years. I've used it once. Okay. I'll lose hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's protection. You just cancel stuff for protection. You're not going to win on this one.

Like going to the internet and saying, I told you so. Nobody cares. It's one of those in life. I buy insurance all the time. I take extra steps with my kids. It is a losing financial proposition. I'm buying insurance.

What you are insuring here is hopefully the health of compromise people physically. And you don't, I mean, like, I think March Madness is the easiest thing to cancel because it's amateur athletics. And you don't want this in 20 years as a headline. Oh, Mark Emmert, exploitation. It's one thing when you have pro sports. But these are amateur athletes. always been a little pushback that, man, you're asking a lot of these kids, you ain't getting a ton back, whatever side you're on. I'll tell you that. So, so like the, right now, and again, I haven't

checked and read, but like the Jukho National Champion, National Tournament is in Hutchison, Kansas. Yes, yes, it's called Hutch, right? And right now it's still being played. People are like, oh, the Juko kids, you know, like, yeah, except that's where kids get seen, right? And as much as, yes, there is a downside. No one wants, Mark Emmer does not want blood in his hands of it. Somebody got sick at an NCAA tournament site and died. One person getting even violently ill is too many. On the other hand, like, there are so many different layers to what this affects. This is all of the money the NCAA makes.

And while you might say boo-hoo, the NCAA is rolling in money, you're not thinking of the Olympic sports that are affected for years to come because this is how it works. You get all this money and then they spread out to all the schools and all the sports. So again, I'm not sitting here. I'm just, I'm wondering at the pace by, look, on some levels it's smart to at least pause. Yeah.

Like to just pause and go like, hey, let's just, you know, like maybe the two-week thing that Italy's doing because that's what's recommended. Yeah. And then we crank it back up and we go again. To just flat out cancel stuff out of fear, I think, like, you know, I went grocery shopping last night, like 11 at night and there's no toilet paper.

I get the, the dish towels because you're cleaning stuff up. Right. But like, is there, are we going to have a, Short as you're doing paper? Like is that we, we feels like we have reached. And there's no way, there's no nuance to it. You either cancel it or you're the worst person on earth to think we might play. That's, there's no gray area.

This is like a Twitter reaction. Yeah, I mean, there's a tyranny of the mob feel with social media. I think, Joy and I talked about this earlier is that the new world we live in, and you just have to understand this, is that many things that used to take place are now amplified. So the new world that we live in is panic driven because it used to be the only people with opinions were qualified. Governor, Senator, CEO, spokesperson, accredited media. Those days are over. And a singular tweet from a random person who could be making stuff up gets retweeted. We have had a dozen examples.

We had one about a month ago since Twitter exploded where a story has been generated from an anonymous tweet that's inaccurate. And so I think, like, I was talking to my good friend I went to college with, my stockbroker last night. And we were talking about, you know, what's the bottom of this? And I said, just remember, and I'm, you know, I don't know anything about Wall Street, but I said, just remember the rules are now all different with social media. Panic is under, like when you're sitting down as a CEO, there is no controlling stories. Those days are over. Panic is the new normal. I mean, like.

Yeah, yes, but I do think that there are plenty of companies that. that have withstood the pushback from Twitter. And the perfect example is the Redskin. You know, you go back four or five years ago and we were having discussions. Nobody want to mention Redskins. I'm not going to say Redskins. I'll only say Washington football team.

He changed the name. And Dan Steiner was like, look, there's too much equity in the name, not changing it. And for about six months, it was bad. He looked like the worst human on earth. Now just everybody clowns the fact that the Redskins are a bad football team and poorly run. Nobody talks about their nickname.

So there are instances, and I understand this is different because it's public safety. Yes, yeah. But, you know, I think there's a good portion of this, which is not a panic-driven, but a pushback against the president who said, you know, like, this is going to pass. It's like the flu. Yeah, I mean, we're so, you know, saying it's a hoax.

And I mean, he's. But he actually, and in fair, like, I'll be fair to the guy. The guy didn't say it was a hoax. The guy said that he compared it to what people are making it out to be is like a hoax. There's, there's nuance to even what he said. He's not necessarily a nuanced-driven guy, but there is nuance. to what he said. But again, in social media, there is no place for nuance. You either cancel it

or terrible optics, you're looking bad. And you're, and you don't, and your exploitation guys. Yes. Like, I, there's a difference between why the NBA, people ask this morning, why are the NBA guys not playing, the college guys not playing? Well, the NBA, right now, the regular season, is entertainment. It's not trying to decide a champion. Right. For college basketball, we're trying to decide a champion.

Right. And I'll give you one quick instance. We both lived in Connecticut. I live in a town called Canton, Connecticut. Oh, yeah, beautiful. The boys and the girls, both playing first ever for this, in the state playoffs. I have a buddy who worked in New York City, kept his house in Canton, commuted for seven years up until this week, just because he had a court built in his backyard, like his dream house,

and it's too expensive to live closer to the city. So his son is a senior in high school about to play for the state tournament. They're like, no, no, no, it's over. Now, again, I understand that we're just trying to be safe and safe for those same kids. Yeah. But there is a certain cost of what we're doing, and kids will never get that opportunity again. And I'm actually cautious of that,

while other people are solely concerned with winning the day on social media. Yeah, oh, God, that's just the new world we live in. I mean, social media is a, it's so much projecting and preening and self-validation. And it's like, to me, in this situation, we're all broadcasters. And so broadcasters, I mean, people have followed me for 20 years. Hopefully, I'm entertaining, but hopefully it's like, you know, Colin has a reasonable common sense perspective. You know, these things are, you know, it's funny. One of my best friends, I went to college with him, Dean, up in Seattle, I talked to him multiple times in the last couple of weeks.

He said, listen, this is not a two-week story. It's going to be a three-to-four-month story. It's a spring and summer story. One of the people talked to me about that. And he said, you know, it's just we have to take deep breaths. But, you know, air on, most old cliches make sense. Err on the side of caution. There's a reason somebody came up with it 100 years ago.

Like, air on the side of caution. Here's another one. But caution is going, but are we panicking? That's my thing is like, is there a way to be cautious and not panic? I don't think, I don't think Adam Silver was panicking. I think, by the way, everybody's following suit. I think Adam Silver said, listen, this is a star-driven league. Well, he also had a kid who was, you know, Rudy Gobert is sick.

Like, literally, you know, virus. And then, like, in the all-time, dumbass, sarcastic type of thing that a lot of dudes would do at a press conference a couple days ago, he rubs his hands all over the microphone. And apparently rubbed his hands on other guy's stuff, just kind of sarcastically. Turns out he's got the coronavirus, which I think could have happened to a lot of dudes. I'm not trying to say I'm not, you know, look, I have kids, I have a daughter that has some lung issues. I'm cautious of it too. I just want to make sure we're not spreading panic, right? Like take care of yourself, wash your hands, monitor if you're healthy or not.

I think we're going to be okay if you follow the basic procedures that people are telling you. Yeah, let me see. I'm looking at the not that anybody cares. I'm just looking real quick. Okay, so the market's now about 1,800. I'm just kind of watching the volatility. Today has been down, up a little, down up. It's got a little ways to go today.

All right. Doug Gottlieb is... Colin's not retiring anytime soon. That's the news of the day. Yeah, no question. I am working well into my 80s. I'm going to make the late Mike Wallace look like a Gen Xer. I'm going to be here forever.

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