The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Daniel Cormier Show - DC & Ben Askren on ENDING DC vs. Jon Jones BEEF, Pimblett vs. Gaethje, Topuria IS BACK

Episode Date: January 22, 2026

Ben Askren IS BACK with Daniel Cormier in another edition of Funky and the Champ! DC and Ben talk about Nate Diaz clapping back at Askren for his past comments on Nate being below average in the UFC. Plus, hear Ben try to convince DC to end his beef and rivalry with Jon Jones, imploring Cormier to move on from the back-and-forth. DC and Askren also discuss the chaos in the lightweight division between Justin Gaethje, Paddy Pimblett, Arman Tsarukyan, and the champion Ilia Topuria. Ben predicts who will win the interim belt at UFC 324, and talks about the ongoing controversy between Topuria and Tsarukyan. And don't miss the guys react to the viral AI video that they made of DC, Khabib, and Islam, Ilia Topuria's fight plan for 2026, and Conor McGregor's next fights in the UFC! All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm CJ Toledano. It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast point game, the playoffs. We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season. And I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was part of it. You just understood. That's how personal it got. Wow. Then after that game seven, Mark keep coming till he's like you know I love you dog you know it's all love this was just playoffs this was just basketball so listen to point game on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts the volume ben i don't have much voice i don't have much voice but hey you see me in this white shirt don't i look angelic uh and gel i know you too well to ever feel

like you'll be angelic so i'm just normal Well, we'll try to pull you back from the dark side. They got me, so maybe we'll get you too. Hey. You can't make jokes about that, man. Why not? Because, okay, we can make jokes about it. I don't think we're in a clear a little bit.

Hey, Ben, so how's everything? How's life? How's everything? It's been a couple weeks now. Good. Since we did this. Hey, the reception to us doing our podcast again was very, very good. I enjoyed that.

I like people seem to be happy that you were back when the reality, a lot of times you be pissing them off, man. You would be pissed them off. You know, you know, I piss them off is because, you know, it's your fault. You make me say the things. Although I would like to, could I address the controversy for the last time? Go ahead. Because, you know, okay, so, well, two things. Number one, you just died. Are you still going to be a hater? And it's like, okay, number one, I don't really, I wasn't really making an opinion. I was making a statement of fact. So, um, and also just because you die doesn't mean you can't live anymore. What you mean? Well, I made a statement of fact about

and Nate Diaz's record. And I said it's average. And so like, I'll just give you another example. If you said, if Daniel said, hey, Ben, what was your record in the FC? It was one and two. You know what? It's below average. That is below average.

There's just, there's just no way to spend that. Now, listen, I came in when I was retired. I fought three guys who all fought for a title belt. But one and two is not a good record. It's just pretty simple. Yes. Yes. I don't know why we're debating that.

Can you accept that? Can you, and you accept that freely? Not a problem. Yeah. I mean, like, well. But do you think that that's what the problem is? Do you feel like Nate doesn't accept it? Or Nate's fans don't accept it?

Well, Nate did threaten a lung transparent patient. That was kind of funny. He did? He didn't say long transplant. He didn't say long transplanting. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He said, Louise, fine.

He said something like, I don't care if you're a lung transparent patient, I'll slap you or something, which I found to be hilarious. But yeah, I mean, like, I was. No. No. Luis, send the tweet, Nate Diaz went at you?

That's what I saw. I didn't look too much into it. But, yeah, I mean, I see if it's just a statement of fact. That's it. No, I think it was real. Oh, I don't know what these AI these days. Bro, AI's bad. Did you see the AI that they, bro?

Yeah, they got you. It was good. Ben, am I that fat? No, of course not. They embellished everything. But wait, I mean, I am fat. I get it. Yeah.

I've put on some. some weight since I stopped fighting. I think you started working out again. Aren't you losing weight now? I am. I am. I was fat when I was fighting. But, bro, I don't think I'm that big. Luis, show the video. You're not that fat.

Show the video, Louise. I mean, Ben. That's crazy. That's crazy. You know what's really messed up is the Russians and I. We have this great relationship where we make jokes. We pull. We tug.

We push. And then, but I mean, it's become a thing. It's taking on a life of its own now. Hold on. Let me see. A little bit. Yep, that's the tweet. It was real.

I was right. He said he's going to slap me next time he's seen you. That's fine. I've been slapped before. Look, look, look, look. Hey, Ben changes D.C.'s mind about the quality of Nate Diaz. D.C., he was good. The UFC, he was 16 and 12.

Well, that's not good. There's really no way to do it. Too funny, right? Why do you get me across with Nate Diaz too? I got to help you. I can't let him slap you. It's okay.

I'm getting more durable. I think it'll be all right. I don't think anyone died from a slap ever. You never know. But we can't let him slap you, man. It's okay. By that time, by the time I see anybody because I don't really travel anymore,

man, I'll be hit a quick double egg. Lightning quick. but he's got great jujitsu. It's pretty good. Yeah. How many, how many submissions did he have? You just gave him a couple.

He's got great. Well, I said, pretty good. And then I asked you a question. I said, oh, well,

you know, how many submissions did he have? So you're going to base whether or not he's good Jiu-Jitsu on the amount of submissions he had? I mean, that's a pretty good indicator of you wanted to know someone was a good pinner.

You'd say, like, how many people did he pin? Like, you know, how many takowns did he get? Is you a good takdown guy? I don't know,

How many take downs did he get? Let me look at it right now. I actually bet he's got quite a few, would be my guess. But yeah, he got some submissions. But here's this. He submitted Connor.

That's at least one. He submitted Connor. Oh, he had a bunch in the beginning. 12 submissions out of 19, out of 21 victories. Yes. How many?

That's good. Yeah. One thing, he's never, he doesn't get knocked out, though. He does not. He's,

no, you know who knocked him out? And you know who asked me to come on their podcast? And I said, I said, Yes. You got to know this. You have to know this, Daniel.

This is a friend of yours. He never knocked out on Nate Diaz. Jake Paul. He didn't knock on it. Jake Paul is not your friend and it went the whole distance. It went the whole distance. Okay, my friend knocked out Nate Diaz. Your friend knocked out Nate Diaz.

Trying to find the fight on the jury. Yeah, yeah, I'm right. Day Diaz got knocked on them. April 20, 2013. I bet, I can almost guarantee you were at the fight. 2013 I wasn't calling fights yet you were not but it's your buddy and it was oh Josh Thompson Josh Thompson

I was there yeah yeah he did but he didn't knock him out he actually kicked him in the head and then they threw the towel in to stop the fight really yeah bro they threw the towel in he didn't actually knock him out oh remember that now yeah that's a long time ago bro we just keep pick you guys stop what's the next topic get off him no no I'm just you just you're back

you're all the way back been asking. I actually, I'm not even deep into it. I had my, I had a break, you know, someone asked me for the film like, have you had a breakdown yet,

and I didn't have one. Last Friday had a breakdown, Daniel. And it was like, I was full of gratitude. And I was just like, bro, I've been through some shit for the last seven months.

And last Friday, three of my academies, he did manager meetings and stuff like that. And I was just alone the whole day. No one was worried about me. I did my own thing. I took care of myself.

that hasn't happened in seven months. And I'm good. And my brain feels like, I don't know if I was actually thinking of an analogy for you because you never had a traumatic situation like this. But you know, like, at least you're talking to me. I've had traumatic, not like yours. No, no, not like that.

Hold on. So my brain started working again, like full speed, at least almost full speed. But you know like when you get, you do a fight and then you go out of camp and, you know, you probably still trained a little bit, but he didn't train as hard. Yep.

Okay. So then you get back. And when you start back, feel like, it's still a little bit slower things, timings off a little bit. It's not super clicking, right? Yes. And you know, you know, at some point during this camp, shit's just going to start clicking, right? And then, you know, sometimes it takes too long and you're getting a little nervous.

You know, like, damn, fights only four weeks away and stuff's not clicking. And one day, it just, boom, it clicks. Yep. That's what it felt like last Friday. And what did you do? I started crying, bro. Really? Dude, like for seven months, I haven't really been able to take care of myself.

Like really fully And my brain wasn't functioning really fully Like I was here but I wasn't I wasn't all the way here And now you're all the way back All the way is maybe At least my brain Mental clarity

Maybe not physically My brain feels yes My brain feels very Very all the way there now Where it was like It was just like I would get really tired Or it would be silly I couldn't handle nearly the volume

Or the load of things that I wanted to deal with it I felt a level of guilt because to everyone else, I'm still me, right? But, you know, now people want me to help with Academy stuff or help coaching or whatever. And it's like, I just literally, I couldn't handle it. You know, so I would try to not do it, but I would just, you know, I'd struggle through it a lot.

Yeah. Ben, well, I'm happy for you, man. That makes me, like, really happy. Yeah. That is, I can imagine it was one of the best feelings you've had in a real long time. Oh, great. And I'm telling you just, even the fact

that you were doing stuff prior to that, to get that back. Yeah. awesome. Yeah. But what I'm also not surprised is the moment you find that clarity, you decide you're going to use that brain to start fucking with people again. On Twitter.

Well, Twitter, I had such a great day. And then I got home and I did it with my family. We got still on the couch and there was two big 10 matches. And I'm just sitting there. My family's like, you know, they're kind of into the wrestling. But, you know,

they're watching it and we're hanging out. And I'm just firing two weeks away. Because the Iowa fans, this one's saying, so when you're trolling someone, it only works good. And since you're a bully, you know this more than anyone. It works the best when people react.

Yes. And so like there is no one who gets as offended as Iowa fan base. So then it just makes me want to just keep it up and like tease them, you know? Yep, yep. Yeah. I got one for you. I got a person that gets more offended. Who?

John Jones. John Jones. Oh, you know what? I came on here to have, I came on here to have a heart with you. I think you should just forgive and forget John Jones. No. No.

Why? Come on. Why? Listen, I'm not, I'm not saying, this is not me saying be friends of them. I don't think you're going to be friends. Tell me why. Tell me why. So I think, I think it takes up too much mental space and you just let John do what John

wants to do. You know, I, uh, I don't want to make a judgment on John. He's obviously made some really bad decisions in his life and done some really bad things. But, you know, he might be a really good person. I don't really know him on that level. He's not, he's not, let me take some about John Jones. In everyday face to face. Yeah.

with John Jones. It's not as nasty as you would expect between him and I. It really isn't. It's not like we're like arguing the whole time. We do kind of go back and forth. Sometimes it might seem like it's in jest, but there's a lot of things that's underlying about it. Yeah.

I'll tell you, I'll tell you what is a good friend, as your good friend. Like people seem to want to talk to him. So there must be a side of him that I don't know. Here's the problem. I don't know that you've ever had a relationship with anyone, like the relationship I've had. Chris Pendleton.

Well, no. See, Chris Pendleton. That was a joke. Chris Pendleton, only because he beats you. This thing with me and Jones isn't just because he won. It's how he won. It's how.

And it's like, but it's not going to bring you any joy. It's not going to bring you any joy to worry about him. Like, I don't think I have, here, let me tell you something. Okay. It was a kid that beat me up and picked on me when I was a kid. Okay. I remember whenever we were adults, he said to me,

oh, man, you remember when we were children and we had all these great times and memories. And it took me back to the childhood and I was like, yeah, we had fun at times. But was that before or after we were fighting each other all the time? Because you were an asshole as a seven-year-old kid. So I was like, get out of my view. VIP section. You don't get to hang out with me because we're still, we're not fine. It doesn't go away. You say sorry? He never said sorry. All right, fine. That's fair. And John Jones won't say

sorry. That's why. So, but no, no, I'm just saying just for you, forget him. What do he do you do? But it doesn't bother me. I don't care. Like I don't, well, I'll give you a call. I'll give you an example of last week where people were on you about this one. But when you said something like he won't be great as Gables coach or something to that effect. He said that. You said that. Oh yeah, I did. I did. So listen, the state... Do you agree with me or no?

Well, here's what I'm going to say. The factual statement of what you said, if a coach is too egotistical, it doesn't play out very well, they can't be a good coach, right? Is that true or not? That's 100% true. Now, John is obviously in his life

and very egotistical, but listen, people change, he's grown up. He might get... Who knows? We don't know that. We don't know that. I stated a statement of fact. Is that I used, is that how you said that earlier?

I stated in a fact. The person that I know, the person that I know are what I have seen would not seem to be a great leader. Yes. What you're saying is. But also, you got to understand it. I'm just coming off of a show with him. Yeah. So I have more information in terms of what type of coach he is.

Okay. Well, I mean, the statement of fact is. someone's too egotistical. Then, right? If a, you know, if a coach has a lot of ego, they can't take someone under them starting to rise above them, right? They really struggle with that. And then they can start undercutting them and whatnot.

So, you know, that's possible. But no, I just think it's like, you know, it doesn't do me any good. And well, he's not my enemy anymore, I guess. But I say, to think about George Miles at all. I did, I try to think of who cares what he's doing on a daily basis or, you know, whatever. I'm just going to do it. I'm actually happy. I hope on a daily basis his life is great.

Okay. I actually wish, I don't wish the harm or bad in the ways that I may have prior. I actually just know that while, dude, I swear, there were times where John Jones and I had like laughs, laughs. Seriously, like laughs at stuff. Yeah. But I don't, I just don't think it will lead to a moment where there's a friendship. And that's okay. I said, I don't think you should be friends of them.

That's what people don't understand. Like, I don't think, I don't, I don't think that it's as big, a deal as it was. Here's the thing. It does. And the problem is, our rival is so big that it does generate people watching. Yeah. People want to hear about stuff. So you speak about it.

And that's really, uh, why it gets brought up over and over in regards to him and I. Here's the next topic. Every time. Next topic. Next topic. I know, no sell that shit. But he is fighting, right? He is fighting.

Is he fighting? Is he going to fight Alex? So I think what Dana White said the other day was probably my greatest idea of what John Jones could do. When Dana was asked about the fight, he said at 205, yes, question mark, that would be a fight. But can I count on John Jones? Can't have Jones doing something bad or pulling out of the effing, White House, right? The boss is not certain

that he can trust him on such an important fight card. But I think what's bigger to me is if the fight happens, it could potentially happen at 205. I think Jones is better at 205 because I believe that he has to train harder. He has to be more committed to just get down to the weight.

So you'd be put in better training camps because of that. Do you think that the fight at 205 would be better for Jones? And do you, from the outside, believe that a fight between Pereira and Jones would even be competitive? So I think 205 or heavyweight. It's heavy favorite Jones, which, well, I think Pereira sees as kind of a no-lose type situation. Jones was the best of all time. And I have a hard time, and this is dumb, but it hasn't really been proven the other way,

because for somehow he never ends up in wrestling matches. But I just remember Izzy Adasanya, taking him down and holding him down for a significant portion of time. And I can't not see John doing that to him. Not taking him down, you mean? And holding him down. See, that's the thing, right?

Jones is smart inside the afternoon. Very smart. The path to victory, he will take. And honestly, he's a tremendous striker also. Yeah. But I believe if you're fighting a Pereira, bro, you should be taking or attempting so many takedowns, even on Kalaya in the last fight.

Yeah. He found success striking the first time. But the last time, he didn't give any takedown threat. Pereira just ran through him. It's crazy. Crazy. So, yeah, I don't know.

I'm not going to hold my breath on that one. I kind of feel like it's not going to happen. I think Pereira does see it as a no lose. And then, but then the other thing that you haven't mentioned, I think Dana White sees, because Dan is always thinking of this is if I get you know I say I can't trust John it's like okay

but if John comes back and kills Pereira you devalue Pereira and then John's likely to say I'm never fighting yet yeah you if you're the UFC you don't get any more fights out of John Jones whereas Pereira he is older but he's not really showing any signs of slowing down he's fought at a very active clip

so you want to keep him like prime commodity and if you can get four to six more good fights out of him without being devalued by John Jones because if you said, hey, Ben, you get to bet the over and old John Jones fight two and a more fights. There's no way. There's no way he's fighting that many.

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and start doing something about it. Listen to Just Here with Dr. Jay on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So, so Ben, now that statement you just made, would that be considered selfish? I mean, it's smart and it's, you know, I guess, would that be considered a selfish thought? Like, let me go and elevate myself more

and not necessarily care about what happens to the company behind me, but also still not fight. The one guy that everybody said, I should fight. Well, aspirin or it in Ghana, when I went up to said weight class and heavyweight. Then,

I asked you again. Does that come off as selfish? I'm at, you know what? I'm funny enough, I'm actually going to say no, and I'll give a great explanation. I will say the UFC is a company, not a person.

Now, if he was lying to Dan, and says, Dana, times give me the fight and then he does it now that's selfish man do you remember but do you remember it man now this is me just this is not me making stuff up ben this is me okay tell me they don't once said something to the effect of the steep a fight happens you're going to give me the aspirin all fight that was essentially agreed oh i don't recall that actually no but ben so hey let me have the

that's that's by that's by a trust thing right that's that's one of things dana's speaking about So I'm just saying, Ben, I ask the question. I don't know. I do not, I do not classify that as selfish. I do. Because like you got to make sure. I always believe this.

I believe this from just about everything that I do. You leave it better than you found it. Whether. But Dana doesn't operate like that. I mean like, listen, Dana, I love Dana good or bad, but he,

he did me really dirty. Think about how he's, we're going to talk 155. Think about what he's doing to, uh, Armine on Armine right now. But listen, think about this, right? This is just me. You leave it better

than you found out at least you try to. Ideally, yeah. Because there's going to be someone behind you, right? That may need it more than you did. Whether you're going into your high school wrestling team, leave the program better. Where you're going into a job, the next person should find that job in a great place

that you left it. Always leave it better than you found it. And you don't believe that that would be the case. You and I were buddies, but we have maybe different feelings about the OCE. You have a lot warmer. You've been there for a long time. They took care of you.

You have a great job with them. Me, obviously, I have a very mixed bag. I appreciate the opportunity. But if you've watched out Dana operates, it is a very transactional business. If you can do something for the company, he'll push you. And if you can't, he's kind of freaking ruthless. like he's really, really can be ruthless. And, you know, as a businessman, that's his right to be able to be ruthless.

I don't really hold that against him, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to acknowledge it as what is true. And so now that John is treating it transactionally also, and to another guy we're probably going to talk about tonight, we're going to talk for a long time, apparently. Connor is treating it very transactional also. Well, he said now he is. Right. But I mean, Connor's been kind of in and out and, you know, kind of came back for who he fought Soroni. And then he fought some of that and he disappeared. again, you know, he's kind of been, so I think a lot of these guys, you know, like you brought up a high school team or a college team, they don't feel the same sense of worth or duty.

They feel like the UFC is a transactional entity to them. Yeah. All right. I understand. I don't think we'll agree on this, but you're right. You know, I really don't. I'm just trying to make it a point that I still will not change my thought that it'll be hard to separate yourself from the greatness. Ben, I don't corner. Ben, generally, I think I think you're right. I think John should have won Tom or in wrestling matches. I generally try not to sit in the corner if I don't have to. Wait, why not? Just because, man, I think too many people are like on you, like the kids, they need their coach, but let's try to like, you've been in such a big personality in wrestling. The whole time you're coaching, they're talking about Ben Ascreen, Ben Ascreen, Ben Ascich.

Yeah, that's annoying. That's annoying, but that's what I've given up. It's just not coming. When Kellerman Warburts on the match, just killing himself. against the best kids in the country. Yeah. Everybody's watching, but paying attention

talking about Ben Asker. Yeah. That's just my thought. I agree. It's unfortunate, but on that one, I don't really see a easy solve,

solve for that one. Yeah. It's going to be tough. Hey, let's talk about 55. I want to talk about that. Armand Syrukeyan, yeah,

Armand's not getting the title fight. The boss said the other day, the reason is because he headbutted. Dan Hooker. I don't know why he did that. That was really dumb. You buying it? uh no i mean this is one of those things well i think this is one of those things that's very again

transactional if dana's a businessman patty pimblit winning the title is the best outcome he's very popular you don't have a super super popular i mean i guess maybe tom as well super popular you know british fighter type guy um he you can really juice him up a lot and armin is not going to create the same response i don't believe why armin armin eating food get millions of views. He eats food. He gets millions of views. I don't know.

I mean, I just don't think, hey, things about that, I think Dana was mad about when he pulled out the one time. You can't possibly think that he's holding on to that a year later when he fought

and waited as a backup fighter. I definitely think he is. And, you know, it's probably one of those things like, if someone does something, you always have that in the back of your mind,

that that's a thing. And you know, so that stays in his mind. The head butt was, he probably shouldn't have done that. That was probably not a great idea on his part. He's so mad about. I have no idea.

I have no idea whatsoever. But, you know, it's like, yes, we made a few mistakes, but this guy, man,

he sure has been good and he's kind of been, you know, moderately dominant and he's beat a bunch of good guys. It feels like he's the obvious number one at that weight class. He has a history where he had the decision with Mokachev.

I feels like a long time ago. I don't know when that was. It was, it was, it was, it was in Russia. He took a fight on a week's notice and went to decision. So, I don't know. It feels like they're purposely skipping over him. It's nice that Ilya sounds like he's going to come back fast because we can get this on the road then, right?

So the 255s are fighting next week. They fight, they get a winner. The UFC's obviously hoping for Pimwick because there's a longer shelf life. Ilya said he's back in like April. That's Miami. Perfect, right? So then you pop Ilya back in against Patty or Justin and then you get armed. on in there, you know, not too far after that, maybe a early fall or something like that.

So we can resolve this. Ideally, that's what happens. I don't think for a second that I'll yet support your fights in April and fights again in the fall. Really? That's only twice in a year. Yeah, but when did I fight twice? Look at his record. Now you got me seeing him looking at records again.

I actually feel like he was moderately active for a while. Yeah, in the beginning. I don't think he fights often anymore. All right. Let me see. He fought once in 25. He did fight twice in 24. He fought October and February.

He fought once in 23. He fought twice in 22. Once in 21, twice in 20, twice and 19. So mostly twos or ones to what I can find. He has never fought. Oh my God. He's never fought three times in a year. That's nuts.

Even in the beginning? No, he fought two in 2015, two in 2016, did not fight in 2017. 2 in 2018, 2 in 2019, 2 and 2020, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1. So many people got it. You hear that? 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, we're due for 2. It might be 2. If that's a pattern, right?

Maybe. Maybe it's the pattern. People try to pose or paint that as if Ilya isn't fighting because now he's the champ. But it sounds like that's just the way that he's played out of his career since the very beginning where he's like, He's not going to overextend himself to make sure everybody else feel good about what they're doing. But Armand's Rukhian, while the UFC may not be in accord with most people's thinking,

the fighters don't have him on their mind. He said, Patty Pimilar said, it's annoying that people are saying I'm ducking Armine. I've never been an offer of a fight against Armand. if I was ever offered that fight, I would have punched his head in by now. That's what the U.S. But you know what the UFC does this if there's other people,

they know, hey, Patty, we ain't gonna make you feel like a bitch. We ain't gonna make you turn it down. We isn't gonna offer it to you. But he's saying, we don't want to do that to you. But he's saying he wouldn't have turned it down.

But they don't even want to make him turn it down. How many of these guys do you favor arm and to beat? How many of these guys do you think arm and beats? How many of the lightweets? Yes. I'm talking gay feet to pull. Toporia and Patty Pimbled. Well, I just saw,

I think he beats Pimlet and Gaechee for sure. And I think him, I think very highly of Tuproia. I've said that many times on the show. So I think, I think that one's a toss up to me. But someone made the point earlier about how much older that lightweight division is.

So we're going to get probably a turnover relatively soon. I saw that graphic. I saw that graphic. Yeah. Holloway, Gachie, Hooker. a lot of these guys are older, so I think we're going to get a turnover, you know, relatively soon here where there's a bunch of new guys juicing up to division. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news?

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I think about this situation, and I know it's unfortunate that Iliate Teporia is going through personal issues and we wish them all the best. Yes. I love, though, that he's saying he's going to come back very quick and get back to work. You know, it feels like the UFC believes and supports him in what he's going through because a lot of times they will just take the belt off someone. Dana said, hey, I'm going to wait for what? It's just a marital dispute.

But he said, because before it was open-ended, right? had no idea when he was coming back. Ilya Teport you told fans this April return date. It wasn't like he did an interview. He did this on like Twitter or something where he's answering questions. It said I'll be back in like April or May. If he fights in May, by the way, that would be one of the bigger May paper views or... Wait, there's no pay-per-view anymore, right?

Not paper view. Sorry, I'm getting used to. That would be one of the bigger... cards you bigger uh number of events numbered events uh in a while in may because for a while may has been uh having fights that weren't the best remember one like it was ufc 301 was in may the ufc in canada with a man the noon has far yeah i don't travel i can't remember the damn schedule we get no it's like i do it it was like the may card generally is one that comes comes back a little bit, right?

Because it's the one that's right after Miami that normally gets blown up really, really good. Hey, did you realize UFC in 324 and 3rd of our back-to-back weekends? Yes, it is. I'm working at both. I bet you're going to them. I didn't realize that.

What the heck? It's next weekend in Vegas, the following weekend in Australia. Oh, you go to Australia? You're too famous. You should stop going to Australia. It's too far away. Too much flight. I like, I like Australia.

Actually, I love Sydney, but that's a lot, that's a lot of travel for you. But Perth is, Perth is on the no travel list. I don't like to go to Perth. But Sydney is not the one that's all the way on the other side, right? San Francisco, Austin, Sydney is only like 10 hours. It's not that bad. No, but you're not.

12. 12? I think it's 16. Louise, please. I'm a geographer. I'm looking it up right now. I'm on fire. Ben's got this mental clarity. He's back to me.

annoying. He's back to 14 and a half to 15 and a half hours. I was really wrong. It's far as well you guys took a nap. You're probably in first class. Before I let you go, who wins? Justin or Patty? Oh man. I'm cheering for Justin. Patty, he's for sure getting better. I was not impressed with a long time ago. I thought he lost to who's the guy. He trained at Rufus some. He's a scrapper.

short stocky I know you're talking about name right now unfortunately but so I did think he was that good but he is significantly getting better right and he's a lot younger than Justin Justin's like he's getting close

he's a little younger than me so he's probably getting close to 40 I'll probably go Patty unfortunately I want Justin to win Patty Pibble to beat Jared Gordon Jared Gordon that's yeah and that was that fight where people were mad at him

because he thought he won and yeah it was crazy it's a big great fight this this lightweight division is always fun right now it's even more we got we got one topic left i'm wearing you out tonight see i told you my my energy back well we got connor versus george at the white house do you think this is going to happen i have been on record for i don't know how many you're saying connor's not going to fight i think it'd really be funny if he if he came to jesus and that made him fight because you know jesus probably doesn't care about fighting but I guess it gives him a platform. You never know.

That would be funny if that was the case. I am saying. But why did Dana say, no Chandler? Hey, I felt so bad for my buddy. Oh, man. I was just about to say, Ben, I was going to say, Ben, at this point, do you have to give it to Mike?

I mean, he has waited and waited and waited and waited for Connem O'Gregor. Yeah. You know, Dana, again, listen, I accept Dana for who he is, but what he sees it, which I kind of feel like it's weird. I mean, what I would be thinking if I was dating is,

how do I give it to someone who can take the juice from Connor and then keep it going? Because George is also a little bit older, right? And Chandler's a little bit older also, both of them are. So, you know, I would be thinking like, how can I think Connor to fight someone, maybe he was in his early 30s, right?

So maybe that person has a handful of years left. But yeah, I mean, Michael has pretty much been a great company guy. I think he's taking every fight they've said. He's done it all. He's done it all. He's put on all exciting fights. I don't think one of his fights has been boring. Obviously, his record has not been outstanding.

But it was like, it just felt like if Connor comes back, that's what's happening. Michael waited around. I want to say the first time he waited was like two years before that's going to fight. So it's like, yeah, it just seems kind of not right. It's almost like you have to just fight and hope. Yeah. Because I honestly believe that if you'd have been fighting more frequently, the worst he would have done,

the closer he would have gotten to the McGregor fight. Because I think McGregor wants the one that he can beat. He wants somebody to beat, right? And if I'm the UFC, I want to see Conn of McGregor get a victory on the South Lone at the White House. Because, again, that's your biggest star having this moment on the biggest fight card of all time.

But wait, hold on, Daniel. But what you said earlier about John is, you know, you got to pass it on. So it's like this is one again where Dana's actually kind of in a tough spot. You know, I guess I feel like I kind of picking on Dana a little bit. But Connor's not going to, but Connor's not going to not fight again if he fight. Oh, you think so? I think that if he makes it back, he'll fight. Okay.

I don't know if it'll be three, four times. I think that he will fight. But at least once more than once. I think he'll fight more than once. I believe that. Yeah. I mean, that's because, and that's right. That's your ideal case is he.

comes back for you get him for two or three or four more. Otherwise, if he doesn't, if you think you're getting him for one, you try to get him to, you know, again, feed him to someone younger.

I don't know who that's going to be exactly. Armine. Put him in that with Armine. I mean, right, that would be a big one. Yeah, give him someone who's a little younger,

maybe late 20s, early 30s, got some shelf life in him and he's going to get out there another 10 times for you or something. Yeah. I got one. Go.

Not, listen, I'm not a fan of this guy. picked on him many times. Machado Gary. Yeah. Because that would be like, yeah.

But here's the thing, though, right? I think if you start thinking Machado Gary, you start thinking, hey, is it Machado Gary? Or does Machado Gary go fight one more time to earn his title fight? Or does the fight over Connor? Get you a title fight.

Yes. You think it does? I think because I think part of of what we just talked about, Patty Pimma, part of who gets the title shot. We actually talked about this one of the title. episode also is part of who gets a title shot is who do people care about?

Yeah, 100%. Hey, Ben, really fast. Conne McGregor said he's renegotiating because there's no more pay-per-view model. What's fair, though? How do you find a fair market value for a guy like Connor McGregor who every time he fought, he moved the line for what a pay-per-view sales was? There was never a bottom line for a guy like Connolly. McGregor how do you make a fair value for a guy whose whole business was rooted in paper

view because and because not I mean because the other thing you're saying is what was you see deal with was it seven years seven years seven years seven years seven years seven billion so there is no way in hell connor McGregor is still fighting when they got to renegotiate this so they're going to renegotiate in six years they're going to start renegotiating Connor is not around them he will not be fighting anymore There's no way in hell, right? So it's almost like Conner's value. It's not like UFC gets paid more if Connor moves the needle. So you can't pay him that much because it's like, Connor, you're not really, you know,

unfortunately you're going to be retired in six years. It's impossible you're not. So you're not going to move with the needle on our next negotiation. It's a tough sell because you're asking me to spend money that I'm not going to get back. You'll get me a bigger viewership, but it necessarily won't lead to more revenue. Yeah. Because I got to keep that going for six more years. But he still elevates the gate every time.

But there's a lot of money to be made. What's the problem there? But there's still a lot of money to be made, right? His gates are going to always be bigger than everybody else. But you're forgetting right now. You know what they said, right? What? There is no gate at the White House.

They're not selling tickets. Yeah. So you can't even sell any tickets. Yeah. Wow. So you think Conner will have the chips that he thought he has. I mean, that's, you know, because yes, I mean, to your point, you're correct. If Connor fights in New York City or somewhere.

It'll be a $10 million gate almost. Probably on, maybe more, right? Because they did, what his last gate in Vegas? Oh, I don't know. It was crazy. I think it was more than that. McGregor highest gate. Boom.

Let's see. Connor McGregor's highest gate. Yeah, he did. No. 17 million. 17. his gate oh my gosh i oh my dude i totally forgot oh my i'm from brain in here deal his gate for the chanler fight was 20 million before the fight yeah before he pulled out before the fight got canceled

20 million he still has a lot of bargaining chips because there's no one else it has a 20 million gate man nobody so what's a fair number 20 million to walk to the octagon but if they can't sell they can't sell tickets of course you're kind of screwed he's so stupid he's so stupid All right, Ben. Get you guys on the next one. Hey, guys, we got the clear-minded Ben Ascran. I'm back. I'm going to call me. Until the next one. Peace.

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