The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Daniel Cormier Show - DC & Ben Askren on Ngannou & Rousey CARD REVEALED, Colby Covington, DC's INSANE theory

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Ben Askren IS BACK with Daniel Cormier for another edition of Funky and the Champ, this time fresh off of Jake Paul's MVP Promotions announcing their May 16 Netflix fight card that features Ronda Rousey, Francis Ngannou, and Nate Diaz. Askren and Cormier also get into Colby Covington speaking out against fighter pay, and DC talks about exactly why his comments on the video game payouts weren't valid. Plus, don't miss DC's INSANE THEORY on being able to be good at anything he does including his false statement about beating Ben Askren in a disc golf competition. #Volume All lines provided by Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You heard of a Hard Time. The son of a Plummer. The son of a plumber. Yes, that was the best. Hey, uh, his son is actually really good. He's the world champion right now. He was a real, real wrestler also. I think maybe a state champion high school.

Oh, you want to know who else is a great wrestler? Well, I think there's a handful. I was trying to, I was doing a research. Wait, wait, wait, wait, real quick, real quick. Guys, today's episode is brought to you by Total Wildless, the official Wildest provider of UFC. They're in your corner with unlimited 5G data that will not slow you down. Now, that is a total power move, but you know what else is a total power move? You know who's an amazing wrestler? Huh?

Who? Donald Trump. No, he wrestled one year. Kobe Covington said, seriously, no, seriously. Kobe Covington said he's an amazing wrestler. Oh, my goodness gracious. You don't believe? So I do believe he actually wrestled for a year or two in high school.

Do I believe he's a good wrestler? It's highly unlikely. So why would Cody say he's no good? Why would Kobe said he's a good wrestler? Can you believe half the things that come out of Colby's mouth? So let me ask you this about Kobe Covington. Not that we're talking about Kobe, because I actually like Kobe.

I don't mind him at all. I know that he's, he was just kind of caught on backstage in the sauna or something talking about building a persona that made people pay attention, right? He was saying that it was on. You and I know Kobe from wrestling, too. I don't know if you know him as well as I did. We recruited him when I was at Oklahoma State.

You did? Yeah, yeah. He was a junior college kid. He was a junior college kid, yeah. So he recruited him. Kobe, um, Kobe was really on the president.

Like he was really like on that topic. And it almost felt like he had to be on the White House. But now he's not. Like, do you think maybe, do you think maybe he went too far? Because now he was so, like, vocal. It almost felt like, Because he was so supportive, he was going to get an opportunity to fight on the White House.

And then he didn't been like, do you feel bad for him? Oh, I don't know if I feel bad for him. But it definitely seems like he's going off on the UFC, like a jilted ex-girlfriend or something. You know, I actually asked you about the comment where he said he was accusing the UFC if no one gets paid for their character usage in the video game. That's not true, though. But that's what I said. I said it wasn't true, and I confirmed it with you that it wasn't true. He said that.

Wait, Kobe said that the UFC doesn't pay you for using the character in the game? Yeah, Louise, find the tweet or something. Put it up there. Yes, that was what he said. No, no, you do get you. You do get paid for using your character, but it's based on the amount of times you're getting used. So.

Yeah, I got a $1 million check. Oh, you're so crazy. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. I didn't get rich off for nothing. Like, it was nice to get a check like that in the mail, you know, especially once I was, I want to say I got it every year until maybe, I definitely didn't get it this year. I think maybe 22 and 5, I still got one. So, like, in retirement, like, I don't know, it's nice.

So Kobe said college football players getting cuts from NCAA football, but UFC fighters don't get no cuts for many of their royalties. It's crazy. UFC, once you sign a contract, they have all your name and likeness. They can use it for anything. Wow. It's F, right. So here's, okay, we'll pull the curtain back a little bit.

First off, on the video game, it's about how many times you get used, right? So like, yeah, guys like Justin Gaichi, Ilya, Tuporia, Pereira, those guys are getting monster checks. When I was fighting, my video games checks were bigger than they are today.

But let me run this down for you. So the UFC will give you every year right, you'll get an envelope that says royalties, right? Yeah. You get a paper and it's literally every single thing that you sell. It's unbelievable. It's like if you sell a t-shirt, it sends you how much you get off that t-shirt and it's everything. So if you sold a boatload of product, you get like a 50, 100 pages of things that you sell

from the UFC and on that paper you get your video game number on that paper. So while you might so before like, okay, I still got paper checks. I just very recently stopped getting paper checks. I would tell me like deposit, like an

electronic deposit or something. Now bro, maybe like a year ago. I was still getting like physical checks to where I would have to take it to the bank. I wanted to see my money. Whether it was a commentary check, whether it was, I wanted to see my money so I got paper checks. But I would get that thing.

The statement. And it was a paper check. Yeah, I would get my statement with all of the counting of the T-shirts I sold, ordered the hats and the video game and everything. Everything I did was on that paper. And then I would get a check at the end of the year for the amount that I sold. In some years, there were big checks. Some years, they weren't as big.

And obviously, as you retire, those checks get smaller. But yeah, you do get money for that. But you're right. it feels like Kobe is reacting angrily. And honestly, I don't know that I blame him because it felt like he was going to get an opportunity to go. The one thing Kobe Covington has been, he's a person that has not really spoken out against the organization

or anything that they've done. And for his vocal as he is in so many other ways, he's always kind of told the line in terms of being the guy that was always the biggest, yes, he was always the biggest, advocate to the company. Now he seems not and you're right. Most times when that happens is you breaking up

with someone and you just can say nothing but negative about them. I mean, like, I kind of, I don't know if I don't blame the UFC, but this is a guy who's not been an active fighter. He fought, I've just pulled up his record. He fought one time in 2020,

one time in 21, one time in 22, one time in 23, one time in 24, zero times in 25. fought last year. He fought Joaquin Buckley. Was that in 24? That was December 24. And then he fought Leon Edwards December of 23. So like this is a guy who who's fought less than one time per year for the last but that was 2020. That's the last six years. Was he overvaluing? Was he overvaluing himself? Because those Kamar Usma's fights were big fights. Was he overvaluing himself like his idea of

who he was to the product was bigger than it actually was? Yeah. So the Uzman fights were 19 and 20. He fought him in 2019 and then 2021. Wow. So it is quite a while ago. And when you don't stay active, when it's less than one fight per year in the division, I mean,

people were complaining because he's somehow still ranked in the division. But yeah, it is those things where I feel like you've got to keep fighting to be relevant. And he hasn't really kept fighting. And maybe it is one of those things where, and man, I don't know if you want to get into the whole discussion on how much UFC fighters get paid.

I kind of made a video about it. And I see, I can see both sides of the equation, but I think this one is where maybe Colby is getting, you know, in his contract it's a big number. And the UFC doesn't think he's worth that. And then that's why they're having the hold up. Now, let me ask you this. Okay, on the pay stuff, obviously so many people have such strong opinions about the pay.

But I do believe, I do believe that the guys, because there are certain guys that add value to what they're doing. I saw something the other day where Brendan Schaub said, the fighters should just say, we ain't fighting. There's no fight because if there's no fighters, there is no UFC, right? How many guys, though, like how many athletes on that roster do you believe, and I'm just asking you a serious question,

if they go, well, we're just out, like we're just out, we're not happening. How many actually make a dent in terms of what the UFC is doing, in your opinion? I don't think that's the question. So number, that is the question. It would have to be 100. It would have to be 100%. It would have to be 100% of people to say I'm not doing it.

Because if you still got one Ilya, if you still got one, if you still got one ilia and you still got one Islam, and it's going to be more than just one, right? It'll be a few of them going, well, I'm not risking my family for the whole. If you have just a few of those, it doesn't really affect it.

Right? So I think two things. On that question, I think I want to reframe a study is how many can actually do it, right? How many aren't living paycheck to paycheck and get a job tomorrow? How many can sit out for a year? That's what I'm saying. And the answer is a really small number, a really small number. A really small number could actually stay out a year.

And number two is how many of those guys are non-replaceable? Because if you had, I just had talked to my buddy that fought the UFC yesterday. We were sitting on the couch talking about this same issue. And he was talking about an amateur fighter. he was coaching and how much this guy trained hard and did a good job and I think he was like six no amateur or something I said how much would that kid die for a 12 and 12 paycheck exactly so there's almost definitive of those in in America so it's like the bottom I don't we'll say 80-ish percent of the UFC roster is totally replaceable in like a snap the 50

percent you think there are 20 percent of fighters in the UFC that are irreplaceable there's less There's less than that. I believe that when you talk about who's irreplaceable, like who do you have to have, dude, let me tell you how you know that, I think you have to have Ilya to have I think you have to have Islamakachev. I think you have to have Alex Pereira.

I think you have to have certain guys, but here's the deal. Like, Alex Pereira's not going, I'm not giving up what I just got signing an eight-fight deal to make sure that the guy on the barrens. bottom is okay. It's like it's just a flawed argument because the top guys are making big money. Hell, and that leads me to this conversation, right? John Jones is not on the White House card because he said they wouldn't budge anything over

$15 million. $15 million been. Now, that's what I'm doing. I never made that. Exactly. Right. So it's like it's all relative to what people are making because for John Jones to say, yeah, 15 just ain't enough. Most guys would go. two is enough. You know what I'm saying? Like two. Yeah. No, I mean, so I agree. And so, you know, the two arguments I have against the pay thing. And I obviously, I wish the fighters would get paid more.

Number one is that there's almost an infinite amount of young male fighters in the world who would step up and be so happy to fight for 12 and 12 in the UFC. But the number two one is, and who knows, maybe Netflix can solve this. I'm obviously skeptical as I've seen other organizations come and go. But you have to have someone to bid against. the UFC. And so like in football, Daniel, if you were playing for the Bengals, the Bengals said, no, we ain't going to pay you more. We don't think you're worth more than $3 million. If you actually thought you're worth more than $3 million, you can say, hey, trade me or make me a

free agent. And then maybe the 49ers say, yeah, Daniel, we really need a foot positioning lineback. We didn't really need an inside linebacker. We'll pay you $4 million. Right. So you have parties bidding against each other because they want to be the best. And in Mixmore Shorts, at this point, we don't have that, unfortunately. So when you and I went into that meeting way back in the day, right? I was leaving strike force to UFC. I had just purchased it. Right. And I was on the end of my contract. I had one fight left. If I fought it, I would have been a complete free agent. And I would be available to go and do whatever I wanted. Granted, I made the right decision because look at my life today. But I wasn't going to leave, right? But there was, there was an option.

when I started because strike force was there. So I went to strike force. But the reality is, though, it's like nobody's ever going to be able to give you what you make there. Like I don't know what Rhonda and them are making this time. Rhonda and Gina and Francis, they're going to make good money. They're going to make really,

really good money. But nobody's going to make $100 million like Jake Paul just did to find Anthony Joshua. It's not going to happen. At least I don't think so. No, I think it's unlikely. So it's $15 million? You think they would fight for $15 million?

Probably. Yeah, yeah. No, 100% they would. But like in that organization, you know, back in those days and maybe even up to a semi-recently, you know, the PFL or Belvoir, if they were acquiring a UFC fighter, they would absolutely be overpaying. Because if Daniel, if you said I'm getting paid half a million in the UFC, how much is it going to take for you to go somewhere else? It's not $5.50. No, it's going to be $7.50 a million. $750, $800, something like that.

So now these other organizations are forced to overpay. And then because they're overpaying, that really hurts them. And then that's why we've seen a lot of them go bankrupt. You think old school you think of affliction, right? That was they lasted for three shows. And so you think other things have happened and come and gone. And so in order for the fighters to get paid more, what you need is a real competitor to the UFC. And who knows, maybe Netflix can do it and stick around, but I'm skeptical.

Let me ask you a question. You have how many academies now? We got we're up to we started eight and nine two weeks ago And you have how many coaches in those academies We have one main manager And then as they grow There there gets to be

You know more and more How do you guys pay those managers Based on their sales Based on their sales Well they I'm sorry They have a starting salary Yep Yep yep yep yep stop stop stop stop

So they have a starting salary And then if they sell more They get more Yes correct Does that sound pretty familiar? I mean, you're running a business. Does that sound pretty familiar? So I started with the UFC,

and as I sold more, I got more. Yeah, 100%. Doesn't, I mean, it just, but why is it such a big thing, right? Why is it such a big thing that when the person they're running the business, as they see, as you run your business, as I run my business, as we all run our businesses, why is it such a big thing?

Because the NFL doesn't have a competitor. The NFL does have a union, right? So the players get what they get. But why are we running our businesses? They're against each other, Daniel. But even the teams, though, Ben, the teams, not the NFL. Ben, the boxing promoters that they are fighting with right now say that the UFC has created a business that if they,

If they would have thought to do that back in the 70s and 60s, they would have. That's why you had so many like, agree. Right. So they, you and I run our businesses almost the exact same way. So John Jones saying no to $15 million. The only reason John Jones got offered $15 million is because John Jones has sold a boatload of pay-per-view over the course of his career.

And John Jones has deserved that, if not more, right? He said no because he feels he deserves. more. But he got offered $15 million. I don't know that I've ever heard anybody on record go and say they've ever been offered $15 million in the UFC. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, I totally agree with you on this one. And I think because of the way it is, if you're getting into fighting, you have to understand that these are the dynamics of the pay structure right now. And because of the supply and demand, it's probably not going to change any point soon. And we can be hopeful that there's another competitor to the UFC.

And if there is, then maybe it changed a little bit. But, you know, hey, getting to the top of the game $15 million per fight, that's not really a bad living either. But I also do want fighters to make more money. Make no mistake about it. If they can make as much money, I want them to make as much money as possible. I want them to be getting paid. If they are getting paid like NBA guys, NFL guys,

that would be great to see fighters do that. I'm just stating that as I run my business, it's going to be based on what you bring to the table. So for the fighters out there, become irreplaceable. Become Ilya or Islam or Alex Pereira, become one of those guys that when they look at you and go, hey, man, I know when I throw that dude's name up on the marquee, people are going to show up, they're going to watch and they're going to buy. And I think ultimately, that really is the only way to guarantee that you're going to make enough money to change your life and your family's life. Dude, they still haven't replaced Connor McGregor. Conor and Gregor became so valuable that even after breaking his leg,

laying on the ground cussing and screaming at Dustin Porier's wife. Seriously. So is so bad. Dude, laying on the ground, cussinging, that Dustin Porier's wife, scream like being saying craziest things to compete his father. Have it all of those. Was that? I want to be the company man for a second.

But, like, think what this dog offered, like, literally. issues outside the octagon, went and got a spiritual journey, all those things. The moment they announced he was going to fight Michael Chandler, it was a $20 million gate. That's irreplaceable. The other thing that fighters may be discount,

which they shouldn't discount, and I don't know how to put a monetary thing on this, but the UFC does make stars. How many other, you know, how many stars has PFL made or how many starters is Bellator made? And the answer is not that many. And so I think about this in RAF too, because now I'm running RAF is if we have a huge following

and a huge platform and we build these wrestlers up, that is providing value to them, a thousand percent. And so like how do you put a monetary gain behind that value that the fighters are getting or the wrestler are getting? And I'll tell you, and there's things I think data does great and I think there's things that are not great about him. So I try to always be fair. But Daniel, I was the same.

You've known me for a really long time. I've been the same person forever. I never changed. I had, you know, I was for not being U.C. I was pretty popular. I think I had 70 to 80,000 Twitter followers or something, right? And the moment I signed with UFC, my numbers went like through the route. I mean, within a couple months, I had three to 400,000 to 400, right?

Yeah. It took me a decade to get to 70 or 80,000 or wherever I was. and it took me six months to go from 70,000 to 400,000 or something like that. You know, to be able to put a monetary value behind that because then I got, you know, hey, I'm getting paid a couple thousand a month from this company for sponsorship. And I'm getting paid this for this, you know? So like there's a huge amount of value that the UFC brings as far as promoting athletes and building value also.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Which kind of, which is like, which is kind of crazy because like Ronda Rousey, Like her careers was kind of built in the UFC. And she is, 100%. She's very angry right now. Why she's so angry?

I don't, and I like Ron. I'm no Rhonda forever. Like, why she's so mad? Angry. Why she's so mad? I honestly,

Daniel, to me, I don't know her. I don't know if I, maybe I had an interaction with her at some point. I don't, I don't recall. But that's how she always came off as like.

She's kind of me. She's not, she's kind of mean. I'm really entitled, arrogant, And looking at always looking at the negative side of things versus having gratitude and taking appreciation for the positive things in your life. So she's always came off that way to mean.

And it's always been off putting. And then, you know, someone who wouldn't face the music when the music came her way, you know, when she was on top saying, oh, I'll beat, I'll beat men in a fight. Like, okay, yeah, right. And then you get your ass kicked by Holly and freaking Amanda. And then you go hide and don't talk to anyone for six months. Like, I don't know. That was, yeah, I'm not a huge fan.

I think the personality type is really negative. And, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I don't want to say too many negative things. But yes, I don't. You're not a big time fan around this. I mean, she's actually a really nice girl. Like, you just don't know her. You never see that.

You never see that publicly. I went on the Olympic team with her. And I kind of know her like behind the public. Wait, no, 408. She was on the 014. Oh, she was. Oh, 18. 018.

I don't remember her there. I don't remember her at all. She was on 04. Oh, 8. Oh, wait. Yeah. I don't remember seeing her at all on the Olympic team. She was on the Olympic team.

She was like a big time star. Like, people, like, really knew who she was because she was so young and she was so good in her sport. They announced their full card this weekend for the fights. What do you make of it? I mean, you got, you got Junior Dos Santos. It's a fun card, for sure. Makaya is fighting. Lorenz Larkin is fighting.

I think they need a good job of going to get who was available. Mokai versus Adriano Marais. I think that's a good fight. Maris is a one championship flyweight champion. That's the guy to beat Demetrius, right, the one time? Just one time. And I think Demetrius beat him twice, though. So, I mean, that's a good card.

I think getting Francis Ngano was a big name. I think people are excited about Nate Diaz versus Mike Perry. Jason Jackson and Lorenz Larkins are pretty good ones. Yeah. Why did the guy that's fighting Junior Dos Santos, the Cuban guy, why did he make it in the O'S? Because he did get NioC, correct? He, dude, he fought like he was, remember he was like, he was like very, very young in his career. He fought a couple times, beat people in, like, no time.

And then all of a sudden he was, he was gone. I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what happened. Like, he just, he wasn't very good. Honestly, I'm being completely honest. He wasn't very good. He was, he was good. He was good. He was good.

Remember he was like knocking people out like all on the regional scene in like 20 seconds. Yeah, yeah. And so then when he got there, he struggled. He struggled by somebody beat him. I think he had lost once though in the U.S. You lost twice and one. Well, he won one and then he lost twice in a row. He lost two.

Waldo Cochosta, he's pretty good. He's actually become really, really good. And then he lost to a guy I don't know named Austin Lane. Oh, God, Austin Lane. He got beat by him. He was the guy I used to play in the NFL. Austin Lane's the guy from Jacksonville. He goes, he comes out to,

he's from Jacksonville and it's, it's in Duval County. So every time he fights John in it goes, Duval, like it's really fucking cool. Duval. Brooklyn, Wisconsin. I never heard of this freaking out of him.

He played for the Jaguars. He played for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I thought he was from Jacksonville. No, he's from Walpacca County, Wisconsin, baby. Oh, my God. I got black people there. That's the one thing I was talking about whenever I think about all. Huh?

You know one thing I was surprised about, Daniel? There's not that many black people, Wisconsin. Stop, don't lie. Hold on. I'm going to tell you. Okay, so in Wisconsin, if you go to the Wisconsin Wrestling State Tournament, and there's a black dude,

he's almost certainly from a metro area, Milwaukee. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Almost no black people in any type of rural places. And when I went, Sirhouse, not being serious. Like, there's a couple. But when I went to Missouri, so, okay, so like Division 1, that's the big school division, Wisconsin. You'll see the black dudes there, but you won't see them in Division 2 or 3 where the smaller

communities are. And I went to Missouri, and then they were spread out among all the divisions where they're in rural areas and urban areas. I thought, oh, my God, I didn't know that existed because I grew up in Wisconsin where it's very segregated. How crazy is that? You're like, oh, God, black people. No, I went down to the city and to the YMCA. Back there was a lot of wrestling opportunities.

I would go. Oh, my gosh. It was so funny. Because they had some open mats. That's so funny. Literally, it is, it's segregated where there are not a lot of black people in non-metro areas. You know what I told my daughter yesterday. This is the funniest thing ever.

I said, you know, you have like a bit of a superpower. She goes, what? I go, you're black. She goes, what does that mean? I said, you'll start doing random things. that you don't know how to do. I go, I do it all the time. I said, I beat steep amioch's playing hockey,

and I don't even know how to skate. She goes, wait, dad, what? Do I just kind of like age into it at like 16 or something? I go, no, it just happens. He just has like this thing inside of you. What do you mean you beat Steve Amyoche in hockey? Bro, I won a, dude, I do stuff. Bro, we were playing hockey.

You can't skate. You can't. I can't. Listen, I can't. but my black took over. I swear to God, Ben, I'm telling you. You're so racist, Daniel. I'm not racist.

Ben, I'm just trying to tell you. Like, be like I'm telling you, the athleticism that is embedded in me took over. Bro, I hit four. Every, Ben, every time I hit the puck, I would fall down. It was going in between Steepa's legs, and it was like, it was going in.

So then I had to go play goalkeeper, right? Okay. Because I had to stop him. So once I got to go play goalkeeper, they had all this stuff on me. I couldn't even stand up. I had to hold on to the net, right? Yeah. But bro, he makes like the first three.

We're going to 10. Now I made four. He makes the first three. Yeah. All of a sudden, I was like, I need to compete. And I was like, okay, I'm trying to like call on that thing that's inside of me. Bro, I stopped seven in a row to beat him. I stopped seven in a row to beat him.

I swear to God. That's not a black thing. Yes, it is. No, it's you. No, no. Because guess what? No, I'm telling you. Bro, I'm telling you.

Like, I just sometimes do stuff. I'm telling you. Louise, put the clip on, like, of me and Steepa. Yeah, but that's a yee thing, not a black thing? No, it isn't, bro, I'm telling you. Because I don't, there's no reason I should be able to do that. So you don't think like, okay, okay, whatever. That's why whenever people, that's why whenever, like, guys would be doing commentary, like,

Mike Goldberg would say something like, he's such an athlete. And then all the fans would be like, oh, he means he's black. Because he's not, ha ha ha, ha, ha. I don't want, oh, man, I don't want to burst your bubble or make your head a little bigger here, Dan, but you know you're a good athlete, right? Like, you're an Olympian. I can beat Louis. Maybe that's why you can do things, not just because you're black. Dude, I'm doing.

Like, what? Like, why is that your first guest, Daniel? No, because I'm telling you, I just was thinking about it. I was laying down and I was like, man, there's been some times in my life where I should not have been able to do these things. But there's like something in me that just like comes up. My daughter literally, my daughter goes, wait, so do I just kind of age into it, dad? At like 16, I was like, no, it just happens. Like, well, there's a reason when you do a backflip, you like fly through the air as high as anyone.

It's like so funny. She's like, oh my God, dad. It's so ridiculous. It's kind of crazy. Like, if you and I played basketball, I would kill you. Yeah. If you and I started basketball, I'm not good.

You played basketball. If you and I. You're not good at basketball, but you've played it about it. But if you and I started basketball at the same time, I would still be better than you as time went on. I could barely walk. I was almost dead to meet you at disc golf. Like, where was your black on that one?

Bro, it was the first time I ever did it. If I played, if I played disc golf five times, I would be able to beat you. Five times. No, you wouldn't. I will bet you my house on that. Five times. No, my house.

Right now, right now in my current state, which is not my physical prime, I will kill you in disco. Five times. If you gave me five times. So you know why the argument started? You know why I started thinking about this? Because I was wondering to myself, I'm like, why in the world is it taking me so long to get better at golf? Because now I've been playing for five years. And I'm like, how do I suck so bad still?

When I've got like a five-year plan, right? Like, bro, like, five years been like five years has been the key to my life. Like, so five years, right? This is seriously, seriously. I started playing football in eighth grade. Okay. By the time I graduated five years, I was one of the best players in the state of Louisiana, first team, all state, everything.

But in two years, I started getting better. Wrestling, seventh grade, I think I started, right? Not very good. By 10th grade, I'm third in the world. Mix martial arts. 2009 at the end of the year, I started fighting. Five years, 2014. Not only am I to strike force champ,

I'm the number one contender in the UFC for the light heavy who we championship. Five years. It's always been five years, but in golf, it's like, I still suck. I don't understand why. I'm trying to call on that black. Oh, my God.

Wow. You're something special to this. But why? Why? How long does it take you to master something? Five years is what I think it should take to master something. Yeah, it takes a while. But I don't understand why you said five times you could play disc all to beat me.

I can beat you in five. I can beat you in five. I really believe that I could come. Maybe I can't beat you, but I bet I will compete with you and I will look like a completely different player after five times. You'll be like, wow. Five years or five times? Five times.

times. You're neat. What we did in your front yard that one day when I came to see you. Yeah. Yeah. And I was kind of throwing it. First off, first off,

I was sandbagging at the end of the day. Yeah. Yeah. Ben, I got to tell you something. Oh, come on. I got to tell you something,

Ben. Because it wasn't like you got really close to me. You made me feel good. Like, you didn't get close. Ben, listen. You were kind of messed up at the time.

So I do like. I was using a walker. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.

I can't come and smash this dude at his game, right? Like, you were fucked up, Ben. Ben, you were fucked up at the time. So I was trying to like, I was like, I'm not going to fuck you both. Come on, man, this dude here is just like, come on, man, like, Ben. What kind of friend am I, if I go to your house after all you had just went through and I go and just destroy you in disc golf? Like, come on, dude.

Come on, Ben. Why you got to, you're making excuses. You lost your person on a walker. I was on a walker. I couldn't even stand up. That's so funny. All right, guys. Hey, we're in Las Vegas,

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Unbelievable tournament last week. R.A.F. is coming up. I don't know what you guys are going to do for security. It's going to be a nightmare. We're actually hired, they didn't get you your tick yet. We were hiring you to referee the main event, so nothing, no shenanigans happened. I'm not going there. Hey, what are you going to do?

You, in the middle. Like, this is, didn't you referee a WWE match? I did, I did. I did. You did. I got a secret, though. I got a secret. I got a secret for you. What?

It was kind of staged like. What do you mean? I was so mad. I was so mad. I was so mad. It was kind of staged. Okay. Did you know?

Stop. No, did you know? No, Ben, did you know? Did you know? Did I know what? That it was. Which part? I mean, the whole thing is staged.

What? What? What? No comment. There's no comment. I love it. I still love it now, but like, now there's like a show on,

it's called WWN Real. What you see everything. It's like it's staged. So I have my own YouTube channel, AIDA Asking Wrestling Academy. I'm making these wrestling videos, not as well produced. I don't got a Luis for me.

I just flip on my camera. Let's go. You know what video I made yesterday, Daniel? You're going to love this. You can go watch it. I made a video about how Oklahoma State Cowboys are going to challenge the Penn State Nittany Lions for a national title.

Next year. Two. Probably about two years. Probably about two years. Go listen to my argument. I'm going to go. I'm going to go listen to it. But hey.

Yeah. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, I know you love him. He's, we're going to. He's going to take you to Funky Town. He's going to take you to... You've been so ridiculous this morning. I don't know what's wrong, but I have to leave.

I can't take you anymore. Where are you going? It's somewhere, but you're talking about how the black helps you, not that you're an elite athlete, talking about scripted stuff. I mean, oh my goodness. Jack Forrest, Jacks, Forrest, and Sergio, Vega. He's pretty amazing.

Landon Robbedo. He's pretty good, too. Cody Merrill, four freshman finalists. That was a good weekend. Hey, did you know? see kale say that at least they follow the rules? What was he talking about? Well, I got some guesses.

I don't want to make any accusations. You care to go on record? I mean, listen, here's what I'll say. I'll say, to me, it's pretty obvious. Daniel, if someone's not a threat to you, you don't comment on them. So, Kail Sanderson is not making a comment about Cleveland State Wrestling or Campbell. Maybe he's talking about Iowa. They're in a big 10?

Seven all American. Did they threaten it all this year? Huh? Did they threaten them at all this year? I can't say we threatened them all that much. We lost about 40-something points. No, but you see a trajectory. Kail's smart.

He ain't looking at one year. He's looking at trajectories, right? What is the trajectory? Oh, shit, these guys had four in the finals. And they're all freshmen. They have three more years of all four of those guys. Plus, a guy like DeLockett, who's really good, didn't even place. Yeah.

Right? Like, that's probably not going to have. I mean, maybe it happens again, but probably not. It ain't going to happen again. Swaderski's back next week. Swederski's back. Bradley's back. The Raynor's lost coming in.

Like, you know, so he's looking at trajectories. And so I think, Dresan compete next year. He can. Well, you know what, Daniel? I don't know if you looked at it.

So this NCAA tournament was all about the younger generation. There was a lot of young people, but there was one weight class where the upper upper class been dominated. And that was heavy weight. First through fourth,

we're all seniors. And I think there's two of the, I don't know, AJ Ferrari has a year left, no? Correct. He does have a year left. But I believe there's only two underclassmen in there. Maybe Ferrari and Keeter, I think. Because Conrad Ducet was a senior also.

Yeah, kind of Ducet was a senior. You know, most of the heavyweight class goes away. So, yes, I absolutely think he could compete next year. I think they'll probably start him as my guess. Yeah, so I think Kail's comment can only be taken against one person, and that's Oklahoma State. That's my only assumption. I don't pay,

I don't know what the rules are. I don't know why the NCA still has rules at this point because it doesn't seem like anything that follows the rules. So when he's referring to the rules, I don't know what he's talking about because I don't know the rules. Hey, I thought you pay people at this point. I,

it feels like everybody's paying some people, paying somebody. Last thing before I let you go. Yeah. Give it up for my boy Tom Brands though. They talk about they're going to fire Tom Brands. Seven all Americans? What are wrong?

People are trying to roast me, Daniel. What you want? I made a video. You can go look at my video prior to it. I said, I said they were going to have six All-Americans, and they were to take fifth place. They had seven. They took fourth place. I missed, but I wasn't all that far off.

Wait, wait, hold on. I got what comment? I think Iowa fans were even more negative on their own team than I was. And that's why they were excited when they did pretty well. They did good. And, hey, the 25 pound lost of somebody from Ryder. And then the Zaire barely didn't place. They could have had nine All-Americans.

Well, I thought it was going to be, I thought the six were going to include Peterson and to seeer Bailey. Yeah. And then I was surprised by Rider Block. Righter Block and Peter. Well, no, and then Gabe Arnold is the biggest surprise. He had a terrible big tens. And then he really, he actually started getting takedowns and matches, which if you watch his season, that's not really the case. So he did a really good job as well.

I never thought they would do that well after what I saw at Oklahoma State. That was so bad. The problem for Iowa is they're losing a lot of firepower. They lose Peterson, Ayala, Kennedy, and Caliando, which are kind of like the most consistent. By the way, Calliendo's my favorite Hawkeye. I love Michael Caliendo. He just finds a way to win, bro.

He just finds a way to get himself to the finals. Over and over again. All right, Ben, there's been a long one, man. I got to let you go, dude. I can't do this shit no more with you. You've been crazy this morning. Guys, for Ben Asper, I'm Daniel Cormi and see the next time. Peace.

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