The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Daniel Cormier Show - Paddy Pimblett on Justin Gaethje beating Ilia Topuria, fighting Benoit Saint-Denis

Episode Date: July 9, 2026

In a SPECIAL EDITION of the Daniel Cormier Show, DC sits down with PADDY "The Baddy" PIMBLETT ahead of his massive fight against Benoit Saint-Denis at the UFC's International Fight Week on a card that features Conor McGregor and Max Holloway! Pimblett breaks down why he'll beat Benoit convincingly on Saturday night. Hear Paddy give his hilarious reaction to Justin Gaethje defeating Ilia Topuria at UFC Freedom 250 and go off on Ilia "QUITTING" in the corner. Plus, hear Pimblett's incredible story of how he started pro MMA at such a young age in Liverpool and why his relentless confidence has made him the superstar he is today. And don't miss Paddy talk about his Baddy Foundation, his uncle playing for Aston Villa, and DC's $1,000 LOSING BET with Paddy Pimblett on the World Cup!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to everyone watches women's sports. on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. What's up, guys? Welcome to another episode of the Daniel Kormier Show, brought to you by Total Wireless, the official wireless provider of UFC. They're in your corner with unlimited 5G data that will not slow you down. Now, that's a total power move. Hey, a guy that is looking to make a power move this weekend is Patty Pimlet.

He went from being a guy that fought in Liverpool to one of the most recognizable faces and personalities in the UFC. he has built a massive following while proving he belongs amongst the best lightweights in the world. But what makes this conversation special is that I'm not going to just talk to him about the fight this weekend. We're going to talk about the journey that got him from Liverpool to here. The pressure that he carries on his back by carrying that city with him. Dealing with the criticism that he's had to deal with throughout his career and how he's balanced the spotlight with the expectations that come with it. Obviously, we're going to talk about the matchup with Benoit Santini.

What he learned from his last fight, his belief that he can still become a UFC champion, life outside the Octagon, family, fatherhood, and why he believes that his best days are still ahead of him. Today, we don't only get the fighter. We don't only get the entertainer. We get the family man, and we get the man himself. Guys, I want you to welcome in the one and only batty, Patty Pimlet. Patty, SDC. Thank you for joining me, my friend.

That was some introduction, not lots of them. Hey, you know, we're trying to polish you up a little bit. You know, hey, you look different. I saw you in Hungary for the Champions League final. You don't even look like the same guy. A lot of people say stuff like that, too, but yeah, just consistent diet, you know what I mean, getting the white dance, saying I'm odd. When we were talking in the bus ride on the way back to the hotel,

which you so kindly dropped me off at dinner to go meet Habibu. You were talking about what the training camp was going to look like, and you were so fired up about the work that you had ahead of you. Like, how do you prepare yourself mentally for that? Obviously, this one was easy to prepare for mentally because I lost me last fight. Yeah. You know what I mean?

I got beat. And when you lose, you've got the most motivation you've ever had to come back and win. Yeah. It was an easy one to get motivated for. So, Patty, we got to start. Like, I always try to start these interviews with, the beginning, right? Liverpool's not an easy place.

You told me to watch a documentary whenever I was leaving about that World Cup team or the Premier League team, World Cup. No, Champions League team from back in the day with Jamie Carragher and all those guys. And they spoke about Liverpool. Liverpool's not a easy place to grow up. What was that like for you growing up there?

I love my city, know what I mean? I totally enjoyed growing up there. but I can see why a lot of people that think it would be hard. You know, there's quite a few deprived areas but my little area I grew up in, it was quite nice, but wasn't not uncereable.

I enjoyed growing up, I enjoyed school, well, I didn't enjoy school. Well, I was going to say you enjoy school, but you didn't like school, Patty. When you look back now, you're missing. You know what I mean? It's mad because when you're younger, you wish the years away.

When you're older, you wish the years back. But yeah, I didn't really like school. getting told what to do people, know what I mean? Like, it's just, it wasn't what I was about. How could you recognize that at such a young age,

I mean, they're trying to teach you, Patty. They're not telling you what to do. Yeah, I had to teach you or told me to stop it with M.M.A. because it was too small. But why? You know what's weird about that? So many times

when you're growing up in these types of situations as a young person and you dream big, the people around you, because they are confined to where they're from, they tell you that you're crazy. I always tell people that, I'm like, when I was training for the Olympic Games and I said, I'm going to be Olympic champion. Everybody in Louisiana was like, this dude is crazy.

You're crazy. You're crazy. And then all of a sudden, they see me at the Olympic Games. I was always willing to be crazy to give myself a chance. When did you realize that you had that ability for everybody around you to maybe not think as big as you did? I always have big dreams. And one thing I always say is if people don't laugh at your dreams, then they're not

enough. I mean, people should be laughing at when you say, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. Because if they're not and then it's just normal.

But why? Why do you think that's like that? I don't know. I always said like, as soon as I had my first fighting and got me hand raised, I was like, this is what I'm going to do.

I'm going to be a UFC world champion. I said that at 16. Wow. So you have an older brother. Yeah. Right? That can be tough. I had an older brother too.

I mean, how was that growing up with you? So Chris Wydman's older brother was a nightmare. He would beat the shit out of him To the point that Chris Would Chris would sing this song

Like about a tank engine That would give him courage To make him go and fight But what How was it growing up with your brother I guess he would beat you up Now and then yeah Because there was a big gap between us though

He was like five and a half years older than me So we didn't get into that many fights But normally when we did He'd beat me up Because he was so much bigger than me And what would did you do? I always thought back, no I mean, I never had an ounce to quit in me.

I'd keep going, no matter what. Yeah. You'd probably see that now still in me fighting style. I can't help it. Isn't it amazing, though, that even in those moments where it's not supposed to be that, like you show that thing that's inside of you that makes you a fighter? Like,

I used to get bullied when I was a kid, and I wouldn't fight back until eventually I did. And when I did, I never stopped fighting. I never stop fighting back and I never stopped fighting even when it turned into my career. But isn't it amazing that you develop these things unknowingly that ultimately would define you in the career that you've now chosen? Yeah, definitely. You don't even realize that things are molding you and see your future

self when you do it. But when you look back now, you realize, oh my God, yeah, that was making me the person I am today. You know, you talked about your dad will be here at the end of the week to watch you fight. Your parents, like, our parents teach us so much. Is there something that you can look back on from your upbringing that your parents told you that you still carry today? My dad's just always had told, they both believed at me, like, you know what I mean, from day one and I said I was going to do this, even though he didn't even know what MMA was. But since day one, my dad's had total belief in me, you know what I mean, driving me to Wolverhampton and to Newcastle and to Manchester to do grappling tournaments

and then he's the only person who's never missed a fight. Like he's being at every single thing I've ever done and he's literally always supported me no matter what. My mum's only ever come to one fight and I lost so she's never invited again. Was that

enough? Like that belief from your parents even though all the outside might have been like, oh, this is too much for you. Did that belief of your parents knowing or believing in you? Was that enough to kind of counter everything else that was coming from the outside?

Yeah, the only people's opinions who really matter are the ones who actually care about you. It'll affect them, know what I mean? All these trolls and haters online can say what they want, but not on that they say or do

will ever affect my life, but my mum and dad, my wife, my family, my close friends, all them people, they actually affect my life. life and what happens in my life so I'll take advice from them and criticism from them but other people on the outside I won't I won't really be bothered I'm used to it now a lot of people are being

commenting on my stuff since I was 16 giving me shit that's crazy for such a young age at 15 you walk into that gym were you nervous or did you feel confidence that you were in the right place I know you said you did grappling and all those things but were you nervous I I remember my first wrestling practice I was so scared. I had no idea what was going to happen to me. I thought I was going to do what Rick Flair did. I really thought I was going in to do what Rick Flair did, but it was wrestling.

But I was so nervous. But I fell in love on day one. How did you feel walking into an MMA gym for the first time? Yeah, I'd never done anything before. I'd done a little bit of boxing when I was about 10 for a couple of weeks. And then, as I said, I just watched the fight of UFC fight on YouTube and was like, I need to try this. And then when I walked in the...

the gym, I just fell in love right away. I done it. As soon as I done them first couple of sessions, I done three sessions in one night. I was like, yeah, this is what I'm going to do. And it was weird when you just find your calling. That was what I done. But what did that feel like, right?

Like, what did that feel like to you? Where you're like, in what moment do you go, this is me? Because while wrestling became my defining thing, there were a lot of times. I was like, I don't know if I want to do this shit, man. Like, this shit sucks. But, like, when did you know, like, man, this, the first day, what did it feel like?

Like, I'm just home? Well, I was more nervous walking in because I couldn't find the place. It was on the fourth floor, and I had to ring Paul, who's now my coach, who's, like, me, my uncle, I had to ring him saying, I can't find it where it is. And he's like, look up. Look up. I was like, oh, I've made a right knobbed of myself here. You know what I mean?

I took a look up and go up and a lift. but yeah I didn't feel nervous getting on the mat nothing like that I'd feel nervous doing anything else but I think it's just it's what I'm meant to do so I didn't feel nervous doing it you said that people have been commenting

on your stuff since you were 16 years old it's easy to comment on someone's stuff negatively when at 16 years old they say I'm going to be a world champion right you said that at such a young age you had made the determination but with that, with that expectation comes pressure. Did you ever feel pressure when you made that statement in that interview

that you would be able to do what you say that you were going to do? Yeah, of course, you'd always have pressure, especially the positions that we put ourselves in. We bring pressure on, we invite it, you know what I mean? But as the saying goes, pressure makes diamonds without it. Wouldn't be where I am today. It's made me the person I am. how do you deal with that pressure I don't know to be honest

I just take everything in my stride Paul always says to me one of me my best attributes probably my best attributes is my confidence yeah because I'll be honest I do not know where I get it from but I am so confident and it probably is the best thing that I have

because in my head I don't think anyone can be me yeah that's amazing you're a 21 year old kid right and 16 I'm going to to be a world champion early 20s I start thinking about maybe walking away what was that what was that like what brought about that decision it was before me 20s to be honest I think I was 18 19 but why I was I was 4 and 1 pro and I just weren't making enough money it just financial yeah wasn't paying the bills I was having to do other stuff on the side and my hustle to stay in the gym and train

I mean. As I say, luckily enough, I've got a coach like Paul and he'd give me a job in the gym. And I started earning my money in the gym, doing private and helping him with training and doing bits of cleaning and stuff like that. Without that, you never know. I mightn't even be here. So he was the one that talked to you in his name? He was like, you cannot stop doing this? Yeah, he was like, you can't stop doing this, like how good you're going to be. You can't do this. If you do it, it'll be a waste of talent. And that's one thing that my dad's always said to me that I'll never get.

There's nothing worse in this world than a waste of talent. Oh, it's the worst. Like, I see it constantly. You know what's the worst? When you're growing up with someone, one of my friends told me the other day, he goes,

you weren't the most talented guy in the neighborhood. And I was like, kind of offended. Yeah. I was kind of offended a little bit. Show how hard you've worked out, really. But he said, you were the one that was able to stay disciplined.

Because I know there are so many distractions in our youth where we can kind of flutter off and go in the wrong direction. But I see so many guys now hoop dreaming. They call it hoop dreaming, where they're still on the basketball court at night shooting, telling people I'm going to the NBA. I'm going to get a college scholarship, and I'm just so lucky that I didn't waste that.

I didn't waste that because I didn't work hard enough. So I can't imagine how thankful you are for your coach for not allowing you to waste it. And your father, right, for giving you the right type of lessons. Yeah, well, me uncle did it? to all the brother. He played for Astonville's first team. Really? When he was 16. He played for the first team at Anfield against Liverpool. Shut up, Patty.

Yeah, in his debut. And so what happened? He was a big drinker, womanizer. Ended up just falling off, you know what I mean? And he was spoke about as the next big thing in English football. Like, my dad always says when some players come on the telly, he couldn't late your uncle's boots. Really? Yeah.

And how is your uncle today? Like, does he tell the story of Patty? I love that you stuck with him. He died. He died last year. I'm sorry, Perry. He lived in Australia, though. I only met him, like, twice.

Really? But every single person who ever mentions him, it's just like, do you understand how good he was at football? I mean? Like, I'm just always like, wow. Did your, like, did your dad talk to you about that when you were thinking about walking away? Like, dude, your uncle? was you.

Yeah, my dad told me all about it. He said you can't, you can't waste your talent. That was the main thing, and it just always sticks in me yet that he said, like there's nothing worse and a wasted talent.

And we've already had one in this family. We don't need another one. Your uncle at 16 plays at Anfield against Liverpool. Like, that's a dream come true, especially for someone that likes football now like me. I'm not as, I didn't realize

how much of an expert you were at football until we were at the Champions League. But every young guy sits there and goes, I want to make the first team and I want to play at Anfield. I want to play at the Emirates. I want to play in these big stadiums. You got the call to come to the UFC and you said, no, you didn't rush. How did you have that confidence that it would still happen if it didn't happen now? And what gave you the mindset to know maybe now's not my time?

Well, obviously, the close people around me, me managing me coach. and at the time when I was 21 and I first got asked I was still a baby like I was if you look at pictures of me from when I won the cage where he was featherweight belt

I was very small but I was still growing and then when I got asked the second time I'd only just moved up to lightweight and my body was I was 23 but I was still a baby

you know what I mean if you look at my body I never had no traps never had no muscle like if you look at my baby you pitch yet to my pitcher now, I look completely different. And it's because I wasn't that professional back then. Like, I only started lifting weights in like 2020. Really? Yeah, before then. All I used to do was like circuits for me, for me, S&C, where I've started lifting weights

and I've put so much muscle mass on, so much muscle. And that's why I've now grew into one of the biggest lightweights where even if I would have said yet at the second offer off to UFC, I would have been one of the smallest lightweights so obviously waiting and coming on the third offer was the best thing I ever done but I'd like to tell younger fighters that because younger fighters now

just rush to the UFC Yes, that's what I was saying and they get beats and then they're gone and then the dreams are over where if you would have just waited got a couple more fights in and then went to UFC you would have had a much better standard

and chance of staying But in cage warriors, are you making enough money there to make that type of decision? I was. Yeah. Personally, I was. But how do you, like, because that's hard, man. Everybody wants to get to the mountain top. Like, I don't know that I could have said no, even though I had done all the things that I had done prior.

Because of the draw of the UFC. Yeah. Well, as I say, when I got off at the first UFC contact, they got off of the new contract of Cage Warriors. and I was getting paid a lot more off Cage Warriors than a one of the starting contact with the UFC and then the second time I was still getting the same wage off Cage Warriors but would have been the starting contact off the UFC and I did end up just getting a starting contact off the UFC

10 and 10, 12 and 12 but I'd already built enough money up for my cage warriors money to sacrifice that and to go for that knowing that once I have one fight and I speak on the mic I will get a big sponsorship and that's exactly what happened Is there something you've done that you're like extremely proud of? When I was researching it said you made a big check, you paid off a mortgage. I remember buying my mom a house in my hometown. I was so happy.

But I could not wait to give her the keys, right? Like what's the one thing that you've done that you're just so extremely proud of since you've been able to make the money that you've made? The first thing I did when I was 21 was pay off my mom's mortgage. I mean. As a kid. Basically, yeah, it was only 21. Yeah. But I just got, she didn't have that much left,

no I mean, it wasn't like a big extravagance amounts. But I helped pay that off and I helped me sister get a new kitchen. It's kind of crazy, though. It's like sometimes people go, Patty, remember you caught all that shit down before? And we'll talk about all that a little bit later. But it seems like you were so much more mature

at a younger age than so many of us. When I was 21 years old, bro, I was at Oklahoma State going absolutely bonkers. I could not have paid off my mom's mortgage. If I would have made money, I wouldn't buy Jordan's shoes. I wasn't mature then yet. I didn't mature until I was about 25. You know, after, like, I had a few bad stints around

when I lost fighting cage values where I was going out partying too much with people that weren't me, they weren't me proper mates, don't know what I mean, that I've grew up with because all my mates should have come on the weekend. I've been made with them since primals. school and infant school.

I've been made since I was five, six, seven, eight, and then some of them from my senior school started 11. All my mates of me proper mates, I'm tight-knit, we're close. I don't know what I mean? And we've been made since babies. Yeah. The one thing about people from Liverpool is they take a lot of pride in that city. You guys love your city.

From the football club to the city, the people. You guys love it. you got to defend your championship or win the championship there. Does that still stack up as one of the biggest moments of your career, even though you have done some of the big things that you've done now in your career? Definitely. Winning the belts in the local arena in front of like 12,000, 13,000 people, whatever it was.

Everyone was there to watch me. That was a special feeling that, you know, hopefully one day we can fight in Anfield and I can win a fight there and not on me more. but I'm a piece of Frenchman in that fight as well. Yeah. Oh, come full circle. You finally take the UFC's offer, and I remember being at your first fight, Patty,

and you kind of looked like Owen Hart. It was a wrestler. I was like, it kind of looks like Owen Hart as you were fighting. And you went, like, hey, it's one thing to say, I know if I fight and get on that microphone, I'm going to make people pay attention. But you actually did it. What do you remember about that night?

It was in the apex. Yeah, yeah. Right? Like in the apex, getting ready. Went all this hype and expectation because, dude, people had polished you up before you even got there. So if you guys get that before they make their debut and deliver, what do you remember about that night? Well, it wasn't even the night. It was the day, wasn't it?

Yeah, it was day mid-afternoon, ABC. Yeah, it was a COVID show. Like, we were stuck in a hotel for the whole week. We couldn't leave. That was my first experience of Vegas. but I can remember Molly fighting before me and then I think I don't know if I opened up the main card or I was second fight on the main card

but I just proper enjoyed it like I love fighting and it was probably perfect that he caught me with a big punch and I had to and then knocked them out because it made the fight better it made it more thrilling for everyone to watch it's better than just going out there and steamrolling someone in 30 seconds I cams at

I give the audience a little bit of suspense and then obviously I grabbed the mic and said a few things and everything just went bananas. But you just knew. You just knew that it was going on. But did you expect it to become what it became the fame? Yeah. Really?

That's why I've always took it all in my strad. I always knew this was going to happen. I always knew superstar them was going to come. I don't know why I just started in the back of my mind. I knew that all this was going to happen. And that's why I still say to this day, even though Justin Gage, he beat me for the interim title, I know I'm going to be UFC lightweight champion.

I know for the fact they are. You know, stardom in superstardom is something that's very hard to come by. I had to defend that belt so many times for people to start going, okay, we'll buy into what he's doing, unless I fought John Jones on one of those other guys. You've not only become a great fighter, almost a champion,

fall for the belt already, but you've got them both. Like, it doesn't happen from many where they get both. You knew you could fight. You say you knew you could become a star in this thing, but is it hard to manage, like, when you're in Liverpool, going out and about as the superstar Patty Pimlet, while you're still trying to just get the training?

To be honest, it's half normal in Liverpool now. Like, as you say, I won the belt of 21 on Cage Warriors, and I blew up in Liverpool then anyway. And I think that's why I got at edd of myself a little bit because I was going out partying all the time and people wanted to know me and this and that. And I got a little bit of eddy myself, like at that point when I was going to add to me off,

I was like 22, I needed to lose. I needed bringing back down to wear. And it's mad when you look back now because I wouldn't be the person I am or in the position I'm in if I didn't fall off then to build myself back up. Like if I would have got a new FC

without losing the belt, kept winning fights, I might have had a crazy fall off. Like McGregor did a couple of years ago. But he thought he did so much before, right? And I think he almost laid the blueprint for a guy like you to, be able to come in here and do what you've done.

But with that, right, with the personality and with the following, everybody wants to doubt you. Like they're really, Patty's got easy matchups. They're giving him the best fights to make him get to where they want him to go. Why? Why do people still doubt Patty Pimlet? That's sad I've been dealing with that since I was 16 years of age, fighting an amateur in a local venue in Liverpool.

That'll just be me for the rest of me, I mean. Everyone's saying BSD is going to beat me and he's a killer. I'll beat him and they'll be like, oh, he wasn't that good anyway. I'll go and beat Armin. It'll be like, oh, well, I'm we could only wrestle. He doesn't have anything else. You know what I mean?

Beat earlier. Oh, earlier was too small. I'm just the way. I'm used to it now. That's my career. People put down my achievements, but I'm not asked. Do you like proving people wrong? Oh, yeah.

It's like one of the things that gets me out of bed every morning. Really? Yeah. Why? Because I just love saying to people, I told yourself, you told me I couldn't do this. I told you I could. I love proving people wrong. What's up, fam?

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Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. It's a, it's a great thing. Oh, man, I remember when I fought Anthony Johnson, I beat him the first time. I went to the rematch as an underdog again. It was so fulfilling afterwards, because then you just could talk shit to people in their face. It's like, you can literally tell them how great you are.

They can't say nothing. moment, eventually don't go, well, you lost to this guy or you did this, this, and the other. But in that moment, they have to acknowledge that you actually did what you say you're going to do. It is literally the best thing ever because everybody's a genius. Everybody knows everything online. So when you get the opportunity to shut them up, that has to be nice. But I talked about, they always point back to someone that got you.

I want to talk to you about that Justin Gagey fight because we sat down before that fight and As you always are, you were very confident that you were going to win that fight. Was there something surprising that happened in there? What did that fight teach you about Patty Pimler? It didn't teach me anything I didn't already know. It taught everyone else on the outside. I always knew that no matter what someone throws at me, I'm not going to stop. I'm going to keep fighting and keep coming forward.

It me on the chin of thousands of times if you want. I'm still going to keep coming forward. just like the end of the fifth round. I'm not going to stop. It's showing me that I knew this anyway, but that I can be in there with someone that at a high level for five rounds and all my own. And obviously it gave me even more motivation

when he beat earlier the week. Yeah. People were saying that he didn't stand the chance and I can never say to him, booed the pest lad, I think Justin's going to beat him. You said that before the fight. You were one of very few. What gave you the confidence that he could get that done?

Because I know I could beat I and Justin beat me. Yeah. Well, what did you take from that fight, actually? While we're talking about that, like when you watch Ilya and Justin fight, like obviously you said he was going to win, but were he surprised by the way that he did it? That's just a Justin Gage-esque fight, isn't it?

That's why he's your favorite of fighters' favorite of fight a lot. Yeah. Everyone loves Justin Gagey. You know, even though he beat me, I'm still a fan. Simple as that. And it was just great to see that little bitch quitting. the corner. But he didn't quit, Patty. He did not quit, Patty.

No, no, his corner. Who stopped the fight? Because it sounded like someone said, we finished the fight. He quit. Somebody said, we finished the fight, and somebody else came over with him. He quit. You think he quit. If my coach says to me, we finished the fights,

I go, no, we finish the fight, we're going, we're going out there, end of. Yeah. We're not quitting on the stool. We're not bitches. We're fighters. can't sit there no mass, no mass You heard him

Petty, you didn't hear him say that though, Paddy I don't give a fuck Why do you just like Why do you dislike him so much? Because he's fake He's so fake lad Everything's just orchestrated

I've seen him behind the scenes That he's the fictest person Oh you've seen him behind the scenes And he's not that illy it for you He's a fake lad He's an actor That's so funny So you found a lot of joy in that

Yeah, oh yeah I celebrated watching Justin win I mean, I did. I was so happy. And it gave me even more motivation because it was on a Sunday night, wasn't it? Yeah, it was. So what I do to watch the UFC is I

have my phone on, do not to sturb. I remember you telling me this. And I get up at like 6, 7 a.m. to watch it because I don't want to ruin my sleeping pattern. And I've done that. So your breakfast morning coffee? Monday morning. I was watching that before I went to gym.

And I had such a good session that Monday morning when I got to gym. I felt like shit the Friday before training. And then on that Monday morning, I had one of the best sessions of me whole camp. Really? It was crazy to be honest.

Yeah, it was great to see. I love watching now. He got his ass beat well worse than I did. Patty, when you go through a camp like that, with the acknowledgement of this dude got me, I've got to get better for it. Is Patty Pimbley?

today with the work that you've done in camp better than the guy that fought Justin Gates you back in January? Yeah, of course. I get better every day. I train every single day and my little micro-improvements every day when I train. You know, people always give me shit for being fat and stuff like that, but even when I put a bit of weight on, I'm still in the gym two hours every day at least, putting the work in, getting better. And that's what I do. And this camp obviously wasn't fighting BS. have had to do a lot of different specific stuff for him but he's on the feet

he's not that difference to just engage he comes forward he puts pressure on he's got nowhere near the level of striking he's very reckless he's very reckless he's very reckless and um you know

when it comes to the grappling side of things he's a lot like Michael Chandler and he'll shoot in a lot he'll try and put your down and keep you there and I just don't see of any way that he beat me I genuinely don't

I believe that what separates great fighters and are elite fighters from good fighters is like this, right? What's up here? What are you having in terms of internal conversation when the door is locked

and the referee is about to say fight? I remember that I was so aware of my surroundings inside the octagon. I could hear the pin drop, right? I would go to the center. They would give us our instruction. When I would turn around, everybody's gone except for me, the referee and the guy. Bruce is going with his nice suit.

Everything's gone. And I would think to myself right before, I'm like, I'm about to try to fuck this dude up. I swear to God, like, every time, initially I'd be kind of scared. Like, if I can get out of this thing, I'd be good. But, like, or in the back. But I would think to myself right before, like, I'm going to try to, I want to kill this dude. Like, what kind of internal conversation are you having when that fight started? I have the exact same conversation.

Really? Yeah, I say to myself, the only people in this world who matter right now is that ref because he decides and this finishers and this motherfucker who I'm going to kill. Yeah. That's the only thing I have in my head. The crowd doesn't matter. No one else matters. Only that person standing in front of me.

That's going to try and take my head off. I'm going to take his head off first. But isn't it the greatest feeling? Yeah, there's no feeling like that I always say to people. the only thing that I can compare to getting my hand raised in the octagon is seeing my wife give birth

there's no there's no euphoria like it it's unbelievable when you go in there like when I would walk up those stairs and I would stand there waiting and they're introducing you and they go

in the first time you guys hit each other you're like it just wakes something up inside of you it's so like Prime was like yeah it's fucking crazy right it's like i you literally want to fight until somebody drag you off in this person i'm like i could leave his carcass in the middle of this damn octagon if i could but it's the greatest thing in the world because there's no fulfillment like two men who are trained to to the

the peak level to go out there and test ourselves against each other and i know that i got one over on you yeah that's literally i don't i don't know man i've never felt anything like it i I think it gives me chills even thinking about it. Yeah, it does give you goosebumps because it's like old gladiators stuff. Yeah. It's like what they used to do in the Coliseum. Like we are modern-day gladiators. We are in the 0.000-0-0-0-0-1% of humans on Earth that gets to experience that.

I actually, I get chills when I watch you guys in there. Like I swear, dude, every time a title fight happens, I'm like, oh, I start shaking this. It really is the best. I think that I have the best job because now. I don't have to get punched anymore. I could actually watch you guys do it, but I mean, it's fucking awesome. Moments are what we try to have inside of fighting.

You get an opportunity this weekend to try to create another moment against Benoit Santani. What makes him dangerous? His recklessness, it does both. It makes him dangerous and also makes him weak at the same time because I can see myself catching him with a knee, a punch, and El.

about a kick or a submission in his bit of recklessness and I love a car crash lad I love it when two things collard that's my game as a whole obviously the biggest things I've got to watch out for

is his backhand his back kick and his take dance they're the main things and he does that against everyone but does that benefit you him trying to wrestle with you more yeah I think he may not wrestle with me

because he knows I'll submit him like if he tries to wrestle me i can see myself singeing up a choke pretty fast and putting his ass a kid because i don't think he'll tap you know what i mean he's a warrior like don't get me wrong the god of war for my marine but i'll choke that ass unconscious

nobody is this the most important fight of your career yeah i always say that the next fight he is always the most important fight the next one's always the important because especially because especially because coming off a loss. I don't know what I mean.

I've never lost two back to back in my life. And I'm not going to start now. How close are you? Like how close are you with the champion change and everything? You having a history with Justin Gachey. How important is it for you to win and how close do you think a win puts you back into that picture? Because again, that super start-up that you have now gained

allows for you to always be relatively close to a championship opportunity. Well, a loss puts me miles beyond, so that's not an option. I don't think I'll get a rematch state-away with Justin, I'll be honest. Like, I know I've got super star them, as you call it, but I feel like I'm definitely going to have to win one more, I don't know what I mean, I'll have to beat someone else, whether it be Charles, Max, Armin, Conner, I know what I mean? I'll definitely have to win one more.

I'd love to just fight Justin against State of way. You know, as I say, I've got nothing but respect for them. I'm the better man won on the night, but at the same time, a couple of things what happened in that fight. change the course of the fight yeah so I'd love to get that rematch I'd love to fight him again but I'm just gonna have to play it by here and take up one fight at the time one second what's the score three two two how many two two yeah so three suits of England be funny if that

goes to the all dude we just asked about the World Cup is happening right now you're an English guy I had you love football But you have no interest in the World Cup in international football. No, international football is boring. But you're just, England's winning. That's your country. I know. And just nothing.

I'm a Liverpool fan, lad. I'm a football fan in general, but I'm a Liverpool fan. I'd rather Liverpool win the League Cup than England win the World Cup. I went to a game the other day in San Francisco. It was awesome. Like so many people. U.S. versus Bosnia. Yeah.

Herzegov. Yeah. When did they put this Herzegovna on Bosnia? I know, that's mad. What is that? We watched that in the PI, didn't we? We watched that on the PI the other day. We were in, oh no, that was in the night time that one, weren't it?

We watched it on the television anyway. And the Fri-Kheel was good? The US team's very good. They're not very good. No, we're very good. Don't overstep the mark, like. These aren't very good. We're very good, dude.

He's aren't. I don't understand why he just insist on disrespect. There's only like three or four teams were very good. I'm one of them. France? Yeah. England. Spain?

France, Spain. Argentina. That's it. Three good. United States of America. We're pretty good, bro. Norway are better than use. You think that Norway could beat the United States team?

In a heartbeat. Bro, I just watched. I just watched Paraguay. Paraguay played France to 1-0. We beat them 4 to 1. We killed Paraguay. I think... You know what that's like?

MMA math doesn't work football match doesn't work But it kind of does, though. It doesn't team sport It doesn't team sport It works more than MMA, I'll give you that. It works more than MMA and team sport But it doesn't, no I mean

It just doesn't work like that So you don't think we could play France competitive? I'm just asking That is a real question I don't mean to veer off of the fucking conversation But you don't think we could play France competitively Are you taking the piss? Paraguay went 1-0 with them, dude.

Paraguay played Harambo like your Arsenal team that you love. He put 11 men behind the ball and just didn't let them. So why wouldn't the United States team do the same thing? Because Pocetino's a better manager than that. You don't think he would let him? No. He plays better football on that. I actually like Pottchitino.

I think that's why he's doing a great job. He is. He's a great manager, lad. He got spares to with Champions League fan, a lot. That's how good of a manager he is. No what I mean? but like I think you just get Spain or Portugal don't you if he's beat Belgium I think Portugal is actually playing

They're playing Spain They're playing each other So if you've beat Belgium You'll get them in the quarter finals Yeah And Spain will absolutely tan your asses for you You think so? Yeah

I don't know man I think we're very Spain will tan your asses for you In a big way I cannot wait Before the tournament started They were my three The three like when someone said

who do you think's got a chance of winning? Argentina, Spain and France. They were my three. And they're probably all going to be in the semifinals. I think now the way the tournament's going, I think Argentina are going to win it. I think Messi's going to win it again. Because he is, even at his age, he is unbelievable.

I was at FIFA the other day, and they asked me about this, and I picked the United States team. Yeah, that's just you. No, but no, no, no. It's like Justin Gachie beating Iliate to Portia. It's no. It's literally, it's literally. It's literally the same

Just engage you basically It's a two-horse race It was six to one dog Justin Gage you was Still a two-horse race And it's fighting It's not football One punch can change

It was a six to one odd And because he was at the White House On America's birthday He got it done I believe that the United States team Playing in America Gives us a chance I will bet you

$1,000 right now The USA don't win it So wait Let's make it more realistic can we get past the quarterfinals? He is in the quarters now. We're in the round of the 16. That means we have to win two more games.

That would be one of the greatest finishes. You just won't. You just will not beat Spain or Portugal. Two games. We get to the semis. We get to the semis. Belgium might beat you. We're not losing the Belgian.

I'll be honest, I think it's a tight game with 50-50. That could go hard away. Oh, God. Because they've got some brilliant players. I don't know they're getting older, but the Breiner, Tealman. They're old, they're old, they're old. They're old.

We've got young, who's one of the best people on the planet. Yes, but we've got young, just young studs ready to make a living. They was lucky to beat Senegal, but we're talking about USA here. Okay.

Senegal have won the African Cup of Nations, I know what I mean? But we've won many things. Concaalf Cup. We've won so many things. Fannie, whatever, dude. I can't fucking talk to you by this. You're so disrespectful.

Best. I love this guy. Betty. He's delusional. I'm not delusional. How's that delusional? Bro, how's that delusional? Whatever.

If you get to the semifinals, that's one of the greatest World Cup feats. It would be the greatest World Cup we've ever had. We've only been to the quarters once, twice. That's what I mean, though. That'd be one of the, like, Pocetino could get manager

of the tournament there if you just get to the semis. Yeah. But as I say, you might be Belgium. I'll give you that. I think that game could go either way, especially now that the red card's being undone. Trump bought his foot in there. He was like,

he best saw the time. But Spain or Portugal, and I think it'll be Spain. He's not beating them, love. Spain, one of the best teams in the world or some of the best players in the world. We've got to get back on track,

but you're just so disrespectful to you, the United States team. You won that fight in London, and there was a little bit of a different side to Patty Pimler, right? At times you can be fun on the microphone afterwards, and you talked about men's mental health, and you talked a little bit

about your friend Ricky. What did that mean to you? Why did you feel like that was a time for you to do that? And why is that important to you? Well, Ricky had literally killed himself like 36 hours before. It was, so it was fresh on your mind

for you to even go into Octagon and fight with that heavy on your heart. I got a phone call at like 3 a.m. Friday morning, so six hours before the way. Someone rang me saying Ricky's killed herself. and like, he wasn't one of my closest friends, I would mean, but he was my mate. Like, he wasn't one of my best mates.

But no matter what, when we'd seen each other, we'd have a laugh, we'd talk, and we'd stay in touch. So when I got told, Derek and Emmer just crying and getting in the bath on my own. I'd like three in the morning, just thinking, oh my God,

has this really happened? And then I never forget being in the back before we walking, I was fighting Jordan Levy. And he'd come out, it ain't no mountain high enough. And for some reason, it made me cry. I don't know what I mean

I can remember crying walking before the fight before my song come on I was stood in the back crying and Paul had to like give me a hug and then I just felt like it was the right thing to do I felt like it was something to say

like I hadn't rehearsed none of that nothing was it just come out like and the amount of people that have spoke to me since bumped into me or messes me saying like

you saved my life I'm like I never you saved your own life I just said something to instigate you to go and get out but that's what it's about right using your platform form to inspire people.

That's what I always say. It's nice to be nice. You know what I mean? Some people who were in our position wouldn't do that because they're like, oh, the bravado, you've got to be this, you've got to be that. I'm not asked about what other people think of me.

I'd rather be honest. Because I've been there. I've struggled in the past, especially after when I turned that second off of Dan off the UFC and I lost my next fight and I broke my hand. And I was sitting out for like 18 months. I was in a bad way, a bad, bad way.

Like, I would have finished that fight in the first round if I didn't go into the fight with a broken hand but I went into the fight with a broken hand and I had a fully fled re-in-acre choke on

and couldn't finish it because my arm was that weak and then I lose the fight over five rounds and then I'm sitting out for literally 15 to 18 months because I can't fight

because I'm injured and then I was waking up every morning crying just like my wife then girlfriend and our wife was waking up for work giving me a kiss

and leaving the house and I'd normally fall back asleep I was rolling over and just bawling my eyes out every morning. How'd you get through that? It was tough. It was really tough because I was like another normal man at first. I was like, I can't go to people and start saying this and that when I'm the fight, I know what I mean?

I'm the one that should be strong in these positions. And luckily enough, can never speak into my boxing coach, Chris, he'll be in my corner on the weekend. And he said, lad, you know what you need to do, lad? Can just speak to someone about, like, get her off your chest. And literally I spoke to him about her when home, spoke to a lot of the bar. and I remember speaking to Paul about it and it was weird.

I woke up the next morning and I felt lighter. Literally. By just kind of trying to get rid of some of it. Yeah. And then I end up going to council and that. I end up going to a place in Liverpool, James's place.

I end up like sitting down and actually speaking to a councilor. Really? Yeah. And that helped? Because most men try not to do that. They don't want to be able to go and reach out and find that.

No, I had one and as I say it helped me loads. Still speak to her now, Jane. She's brilliant. without going and sitting and speaking to where I don't know if I'd still be here. Did that your friend's passing and your issues, is that what helped you or inspired you to start the Badi Foundation? Yeah, that played a big part in starting it. And through the foundation we have used it to donate money to the place I went to, which is called James's Place for Counseling. And we donated money to that to employ a full-time member of.

staff for two years so there's another person for men to go and speak to James's place is a men's only counselling place where you go and get one to one right and but it's still happening lad like literally it was a lad who come and watch me fight in Miami it's Michael Chandler it was his one year anniversary to the day Madgie he just killed himself out the blue God another fella who are no by our Scott he just killed himself out the blue he just got married a couple of months before and had two kids. People just,

I don't know a lot. Especially in Liverpool's bad for it because it's just like a stigma against that and that's why I said the exact words what I said, I'd rather me make high on my shoulder than have to carry his coffin. Yeah, man. Patty, you have become a father now.

How has that changed you? Tenfold. I don't really feel it myself. But everyone else says it to me. Everyone says, oh, you're so different now. Like, I've got a lot more motivation to do things. I was already a hard worker and dedicated and disciplined, but I'm even more of all of them now, you know what I mean?

And everything I do is to provide for my little girls. Like, that's another reason why I knew I never had any quits in me, but when just engages on top of you're punching you in the face, like, I'm not stopping here because I've got to provide for my family. If I get finished like this, it's not going to happen. It's easy when you can see your why. Like your why is your wife and your kids. And when you can see that, right?

We always, fighters always think, are they no something inside of them that propels them forward? But when they're right in front of you, right, a face, your children, your family, it makes it easier. Because you're not, you don't have to self-motivate anymore. because it's right in front of you. Yeah. They give me waking up every morning and seeing their little smiles and know that I'm going to put hard work in

to keep putting their smiles on their faces. Makes every bit of hard work, sweat, pain, tear, blood, worth it. Yeah. I ask everybody this before I get them out of this chair, I ask them, years from now when people talk about Patty Pimbley, like, what do you want them to remember? What do you want them to say,

not only about Patty the Fighter, but about Patty the Man? I want them to remember me as a world champion by the time I'm done, you know what I mean? I want them to remember that, but I'd like them to remember most of, I'm just a nice person and I help people, you know what I mean?

Because as I said before, it's nice to be nice. You don't want to be remembered as a piece of shit, you know what I mean? You don't want to be looked at like a piece of shit like Colby Covington, you know what I mean? You want to be looked at as a good person, a good father, a good friend,

someone that wasn't a wronging. Patty, I want to ask this before I let you go. I know you haven't thought about it, but what if the World Championship doesn't happen? Like, could you be okay? Yeah, he'll always be okay, but I know it's going to happen. I know what you mean, obviously.

I know you don't think about it, but when someone is so tied to a goal for so long, right? I mean, 16 years old. you know you I just wonder I had to do it too like I didn't win the Olympics and all that you know I have more inspiration for it

I don't I was like I just engaging yeah yeah he was done everyone said he was finished everyone said everyone was going to beat him yeah just won the world title of 37 yeah he did and he did it in and he done it in spectacular fashion

yeah I see him phizier saying the same thing that motivated him that motivated him blood that motivated me that got me out of bed to go and train You know what I mean? That made me train even harder

when I've seen him win that felt because I know anything's possible. Everyone said that was impossible. Like that dickhead, Dan Ocker, saying that interview had and he goes,

does anybody you think that Justin Gagee can beat Ely as a poor year? Not one of you just put your hands up and then just engage you when he beat Elyas of Poria made him look like a right tit. You don't like Elyan.

What's this weekend look like, what does this weekend look like? How does this fight in between you BSD. I was saying this from the other day I can either see it being a pretty fast finish for me in a performance of the night or I can see it being a little bit of a war and a fight of the night but no matter what there's no way I leave that cage

without getting my hand raised as simple as that. It's not an option this weekend. Patty you're the man. Thank you for joining me and man. I appreciate this. Guys, that was Patty the Baddy Pimblet. This dude is tremendous. Obviously he is trying to help and uplift people from his community and everywhere else.

Until next time, guys, like, subscribe, and tell your friends that I got a YouTube channel and I'm chatting with guys like Patty Pimler for the Daniel Cormier show. Until next time, peace. Good job, Patty. That was awesome. Yeah, I enjoyed that. What's up, fam, it's sports journalist Ari Chambers.

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