The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show - Dray's Return To Practice, Harden/Embiid + a Charles Barkley Interview

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

Draymond Green gives an update on his return from injury before giving his take on the new-look 76ers pairing James Harden and Joel Embiid, and why even though the Lakers are slumping you can never count out Lebron James. Then he's joined by Charles Barkley to discuss Kobe Bryant almost joining ‘Inside the NBA’, why the price of college education is a problem in America, why Draymond reminds Charles of Dennis Rodman, whether him and Shaq ever actually get on each other’s nerves, LeBron’s greatness, and much more. Produced by Jackson Safon. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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someone who I am very fond of and it's funny that I say that because two years ago I probably would have told you it was one of my least favorite people. But I've had the opportunity to work with him to spend some time around him And the way he treats people, the way he just makes every environment he's a part of, just a welcoming environment is one of the most incredible things to me. Hall of Fame basketball player, Hall of Fame analyst, and like I said, more importantly, just an overall great person.

So this week on this episode, we will have the great Sir Charles Barkley. And as I said, I am extremely honored to have a conversation with him. So you all can hear some of the things that I get from him when I'm in studio. And most of the times I'm just sitting there listening. Like it's not even that I'm asking a question to get these things. It's just like sitting there listen because that's the type of person he is. He see me coming in and he just wants to help. And I think it's amazing, incredible person, probably one of the most misunderstood people around

simply because of his job. And he's not afraid to say whatever it is that he's thinking. And I think that's a very powerful thing. So I'm looking forward to you all hearing and sharing in this great episode, great interview with Charles Barkley that we will have. But before that, you know, we have to go around the association first and starting with me returning. I am feeling great.

I practiced two days ago with the team, which was incredible. There was like this whole thing of like, oh, he did all the non-contact drills, but not contact drills. The reality is there weren't any contact drills in the practice. So I did the whole practice. So give me my credibility. I'll take that. And there was a drill where I was like semi-contact

and like not real contacts. Just kind of like a defensive breakdown. And I did do that drill, although I wasn't taking any hits or anything like that. But nonetheless and more importantly, that is a step for me in the right direction that I am thankful and happy about. And now it's just continuing to ramp up,

continuing to get my conditioning back, continuing to get my feel back, and most importantly, continuing to regain all of my explosiveness, which I am very pleased with where it is today. And as someone who historically, I mean, it's a hereditary thing, has pretty skinny calves.

My calves have grown due to all the words that I've put in. So I am very happy about that. Because that was something I used to be a little self-conscious about as a little kid. Like, oh, man, you got no calf muscles. And so I got a calf muscle now, so I'm excited about that. So take that one to the bank. But, and moving forward, James Hardin and Joel and B, after two games,

there's been all this talk about they're the best duo in the NBA and, like, all of these things. And don't get me wrong. They are incredible. And I'm not just going off these two games. because the reality is they could have had two great games, which they did. They also could have two terrible games, which didn't happen. And if they had two terrible games,

were we going to see those two terrible games and say, oh, man, they don't work together? Or were we going to see those two terrible games and say, all right, they just need a little time to figure it out? I think it would be the latter. So let's not overreact to the two great games. However, in saying that, they look good. They look really good.

And, you know, I think, what is it, 20 games left in the season. It's great to see James Harden playing at the level that everyone has grown accustomed to him playing. It's funny because after the trade, I was looking at his stats, and he was averaging like 22, 10, and 8, I want to say. And everybody's like, oh, my God, he's having a terrible year and down, year, and out of shape. And I'm just sitting there looking at like, this dude is averaging. 22, 10, and 8. Like, that bar has been set so high that 22, 10, and 8, everyone saying this guy's having a terrible season.

And so, you know, it's good to see him out there having fun and plan to, up to the level that we've all grown accustomed to him playing. It's only better for the league. It's also, I haven't actually enjoyed watching, like, M.B's been dominant all season. I think, I think we all know that. and we all can agree on that. But it just feels like these last two games, he's been even more dominant

and without the ball as much. And that's a very, very, very powerful thing because when you can end up being more dominant than how to ball less, I mean, that's incredible because what that does is it's going to allow everyone else around him to get in their flow and to find their rhythm easy. and we know he can just pick it up just like that.

And so, man, I think the first, like I said, I'm not going to overreact over two games, but I think the two games that they have put together have been impressive. And, you know, we'll see how that continues coming together. You know, the Eastern Conference is deeper than it's ever been. I think the two leading candidates for MVP are out of the Eastern Conference right now with DeMarre de Rosen and Joe L.M.B.

And then obviously, you still have Yannis. In the Eastern Conference, you still have Jimmy Butler. He still got K.D. coming back from injury. You still got Kyrie, who's starting to play more games. And it seems that he may be able to play home games sometimes in the near future. I think that's very interesting. I still, for the life of me, can't understand why. someone can go to the arena and watch the game

but not be vaccinated but Kyrie can't play the game that the unvaccinated person is watching I just can't seem to understand that for the life of me and I mean you have places losing like they're losing mass mandates they're dropping vaccine mandates and yet there's still this thing there

doesn't make much sense to me. I honestly think it's one of the things that has made people question different things around COVID-19 this entire time. It's rules like that that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Like, we're going to fill up a stadium with 20,000 people.

And oh, by the way, all 20,000 of those people could possibly not be vaccinated, but Kyrie Irvin can't play if he's unvaccinated. So maybe someone will help me figure that one out at some point, but I just, I'm yet to wrap my head around what's the whole deal with that. But maybe it'll all be dropped sometime soon because that's the route. It seemed like it's moving.

So until then, we'll see. But there's been a lot of injury news coming out. Like I said, myself, KD, we heard it will be back probably sometime within the next week. And so that's great. And then obviously, AD is out for another four to five weeks, which leads us into the Lakers Slump. If I'm not mistaken, I think they've won four of their last 20 games. And at that time, I think they were maybe four for fifth in the east, I mean in the West. and now they are ninth in the West.

I have to speak on the booze last night. I thought that was insane, to be quite honest. From a team, from an organization that's had so much success, to start booing when things aren't going right, like, that's kind of whack to me. And then everyone gets upset if a player comes out and say, oh, well, forget them fans. Or, like, they're not with us anyway. Then everyone seems to get upset and uptight about it.

But as athletes, we're just supposed to sit back and be like, oh, they're booing us. Like, quite frankly, most of those people in that arena don't know how it feels to get booed. And so I guess I can cut a little slight. and just you're not understanding how it feels to get booed by your own. Now, for me, I actually like getting booed. Like, when I come to crypto arena, like, boo me all you want. That's fun to me. The Cavs fans did it all weekend and All-Star weekend.

Like, I enjoy it. So, but to get booed by your own fans, like, it's very distasteful and disgraceful. And I was shocked to see that. Like, I mean, some booze rang out when Brian threw the turnover where he tried. to hook the pass around to Taylor, Hardin Tucker in the corner. I've seen LeBron make that pass several times, and it is an amazing pass.

Didn't complete it yesterday, and the booze rang out. I thought that was pathetic. I thought it was extremely pathetic, and like I said, I thought it was very distasteful from a fan base of an organization that has the most championships in the NBA.

Like, let's not be so, like, like, spoiled brats. It's okay to be spoiled. Like, yeah, you can 100% be spoiled. We all get spoiled by things at times at one point in our life or another. But let's not be brats. And that was about as brady as something that I've seen. Considering that this team just won a championship,

not even a full of two years ago. And now you're booing? Like, I thought that was utterly ridiculous. And like I said, it was very distasteful. So I'm actually looking forward to seeing where the Lakers go from here because you can go one or two ways. You can use that to band together and say, it's us against the world.

It's us against all these other teams in the NBA. It's us against our fan base too. It's us against the world and see if they can rally around that. Or do you continue to splinter and separate more? Because the reality is when you're losing at that, great. There's going to be some splintering and there's going to be some separating. I mean, we saw that

DeAndre Jordan was cut a couple days ago due to signing DJ Augustine. And, you know, so you start to see moves like that. And like some of those things were expected to happen a little

a while ago. So I wasn't necessarily shocked by DeAndre Jordan being cut. But I'm very very interested in seeing can the Lakers pull this together and what happens from here. And like I always say, if there's anybody that can do it, they got LeBron James. He's shown that he can do it. So I've told you all before, I'm never counting them out until they're out.

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Getting the playoffs. You get in the playoffs. You got to win four games, then you got to win four games again. Then you got to win four games again. And you do it one more time. You're a champion. So that's an entirely different season. Like I said, I refused as someone who's competing against them and competing for the same thing. Everyone can say what they want. You can talk about their slump. You can talk about their age. You can talk about all. of these things. But who won't be counting them out is me. And who else won't be counting them out is a team that I am one of the leaders on. No way. We face them. We are facing the same Lakers that everyone thought we'd be facing when the season started because they still have that that same talent is still on that team. And that same pedigree, championship pedigree that

they got on that team, it's all still there. So we'll be ready and maybe we'll see them, maybe we won't. But whoever do, it won't be a walking apart. I don't think so. I just can't foresee that happening. So we'll see. But like I told you guys a little while ago, we're going to get into the interview with Sir Charles Barkley. Man, I want to welcome my next guest, Hall of Famer, someone who I actually have the honor.

of calling a coworker today and a partner in crime. The incredible basketball player, but what I've said before, more importantly to me, I think he's an even better TV personality than he was basketball player, and yet he's in the Hall of Fame for basketball, so that shows you how great he is at this. And I know the Emmys have been rolling in,

Emmy Award winner, but everything else will keep rolling in, far as Hall of Famer and TV as well. And I'm honored to have you as a guest to Chuck Sir Charles Barkley. What's happening, my brother? Thank you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome to the team, too.

I mean, you're going to be great on TV for the next hundred years once you get through playing basketball. I will tell you this, though. Hey, man, don't rush it. Ain't like playing. I tell people all the time. I don't care how much success you have on television. There's nothing like playing basketball for a living those big games and things like that.

There's nothing like it. And you can always be Charles Barkle to kill O'Neill and Draymond Green for the rest of your life. But, hey, you play until they drag that damn jersey off for you, brother. Yes, sir. Hey, I've heard you say that once before. And, you know, I've done some research before on J-Lo and my fiancé absolutely loved J-Lo. And one thing she said was when she did the Selena movie, that that's what made her want to go into singing because she was an actress at first.

but the thrill in that and that rush that she got from being on stage in that movie is what made her then going to singing. Is that similar to what you're saying as far as TV and actually playing the game of basketball? Yeah, TV is fun. I mean, it's a great way to make a living, but ain't nothing like being in the moment,

especially, like, you have so much control to bring a joy in their lives. But you think about this, like, no matter how bad shit going in life or somebody in Golden State, San Francisco, when the wars are doing good, it brights up their day. And to have that type of power,

they're like, man, these people, they can be having trouble at home, they can be having trouble at work, to joy you can bring them. There's nothing like that rush. You know, because, you know, you know, people come up to you all the time. I said,

I want to thank you for this. I want to thank you for that. And you're like, wow, man. Even though it's a stupid basketball game, it does bring a lot of joy to people. I mean, like I said, you could be having an awful day, but if your team is doing well,

man, it's a really big deal. Like, that's been times I've had people come up to me who were, like, battling counselor who was sick and say, hey, I just want to thank you for that ride. We were on and things like that. So it's a really, ain't nothing like it, Dray. ain't nothing like. Absolutely.

And speaking of playing as long as I could possibly play, I can't help but to ask. I know since I started coming to Turner and working with you guys, I've been hearing even well before that. Chuck's going to retire in about a year. Chuck's going to retire in about two years. And I know you recently just came out

and said you maybe got two more years, and then that's it. Like, is it serious this time? Or do you just kind of take a year by year, and go on how you feel? Well, I think that you're going to run into this when you get older. Dude, I've been doing this 21 years.

Like, if I was doing it five years, I wouldn't be thinking about retired. So I'm in year 21 now. And then I got two more years left on my contract. And like I say, dude, I turned 59 last week. So I ain't no young-ass dude. And I'm smart enough to know, and I'm not one of those guys who worried about them.

If I die tomorrow, man, I had a good run. But I do know I'm closer to death that I am living. And I'm going to be a grandpa, hopefully in the next week to 10 days. Wow. Congratulations. And I don't want to, like I said, and I can say, I want to die on television. I want to be dying, traveling the world, having fun.

You know, I want to be a great grandpa. I do. I want to be a great grandfather. But like I say, I'll be 60 years, 61 and two years. And like I say, we don't know how this thing going to end, but I want to be able to say like, man, he wasn't working. He was traveling the world. He was having fun.

He was golfing. He was fishing. Man, I just saw Charles. He was over in Italy. I saw him. They had a, you know, I just saw him. He was over in Germany. I just saw him he was over in Spain.

I mean, because all the work that we have done, you know, going back to driven that stupid. basketball and the parks and things like that, like you built yourself an amazing life, yourself and me. Like, why not enjoy the back nine? Absolutely. Because even though the work ain't hard and it's fun, you still have something to do all the time.

That I tell you guys, you still have stuff to do all the time. And that's what, like if I could just show up at the studio and just do basketball, I'm like, no, I have to do X amount of interviews a day. You know, you have to go and pump up the show. That's really what's really funny. I tell you this funny story, not many people know this. And I'm probably going to get in trouble for telling you this.

We actually hired Kobe Bryant. At Turner. At Turner. But he didn't want to do all the other bullshit. This is one of the, and I'm probably going to get in trouble for saying this. But it's one of the little things that we kept, we keep in the office. So he actually signed with us. But then when we started telling, like, you know, I have to do a bunch of radio shows.

Like, hey, I go on this show on Monday. Say, hey, from Thursday night, T&T, same thing on Tuesday, the same thing on Wednesday, same thing on Thursday. He's like, yeah, I don't want to do all that stuff. He says, well, you have to promote the show, Kobe. So Kobe actually is so funny And like I say It's probably only 10 people in the world know that

That he actually signed what else He's like, no I'm not doing all that other books He's just like no But it was funny because like I say We always have something to do Yeah So wait hold on So Kobe signed and he was going to be on

Like just one of the guys on the Thursday night crew Yeah Wow Yeah he had he had signed with us. David Leapie, my old boss had signed into a deal. And we were excited. We were really excited. And then he called

me back like a week, 10 days later, somewhere in that time frame, like, yeah, COVID's not going to come. We're like, why? Because he don't want to do all the PR stuff. He don't want to go on radio shows and talk about basketball. I'm like, well, that's part of the gig. I mean, people need to know, hey, I'm

on Thursday night. Because if you notice when you do interviews, they're like, hey, welcome from T&T Thursday tonight, Charles Barkley. Same thing, you know, you talk to Kenny and Shaq. They always, because that's part of the promoting the show. So it was funny, though. He didn't want to do all that.

And he never came to work for us. Wow, that's interesting. I think that's great for me, too, because the reality is, is, you know, you see the job that you guys do. And unless you're tuned in to the radio shows or you catch one of your snippets when you break the internet. Yeah. You don't really know anything past you're going up there on Thursday nights.

And yet it seems to be so much more to the job than people even know. You know, you'll hear people say, oh, man, Chuck make all this money, and he only work one night a week. And from what you're saying, that's far from the truth. Well, it is far from the truth. Well, because really the only time you really work is doing the playoffs. You like work every day for two months. I mean, that's one is hectic and there's a lot going on.

But during the regular season, you really only work in one day a week. So that's when you really have to pump it up more. Like everybody's going to watch the playoffs. Like when the playoffs start, they're on 40 days and 40 nights. But during the regular season, you have to pump it up all week. Like, hey, Charles Barker Thursday night, I do that Monday, Tuesday, I mean, that's part of the gig. But, you know, COVID didn't want to do all that stuff.

And it never worked out. that's funny. I mean, especially for someone as hard as working as Kobe, like, no, I don't want to do all that. But then you think about it. And the reality is for everything that he gave to the game of basketball, I can understand him saying, like, no, that's too much for me. Like, I don't want to do that.

And quite similar to what you're saying about being a great grandfather, I think at that point in his life, the most important thing for him then was being a great husband and being a great dad. And we saw that. You know, like we saw that with Gigi and her basketball career. You see the videos with him at the mall with the baby girl and all of that. So I think that's a very interesting, just a very interesting thing overall.

Well, you know, as a dad to a daughter, the bond you have, like, I've been in the NBA for 37 years. and guys don't give a shit about sons. But they love their sons. They love their sons. But it's just something about a girl that she has you wrapped around her finger. And like, I used to joke about my daughter all the time. I said, my daughter asked me, Dad, I want to go to outer space. I was like, well, let me see if we can fit it in the budget.

There's no way you can tell your daughter. No. Like, like I say, I've been in NBA for 30. 37 years, do tell her they sound like, get the hell away from me, man. No, you can't have that. You can't have that. But I, but I never heard one of my two say, yeah, man, my daughter, I ain't got no chance against her. Whatever she wants, I'm going to give her.

And then when I got my daughter, I was like, damn, I know what you mean now. Yeah. I was like, no, man, whatever, I mean, she just, the most, like, it's crazy how they have so much control over you. And like I say, I've been around this game and the guys to tell their son. all the time, man, leave me alone, man, and you're bugging the hell out of me. But when they come to their daughter, like, no, whatever she wants, she's going to get.

It's a really creative dynamic, but it's true. No, as a father of two daughters, I definitely understand. And a son, I definitely understand that, because I think for me, like, everything with my son is, I want to give you all of the things that I had to go through

without you having to go through those issues. But yet, understanding that in order for you to become a man, I have to let you go through some of those issues and trying to find that balance, I think is always a tough thing for me with him. But with my girls, you're right. It's just like, all right. They don't want half the stuff.

You can buy them dogs and clothing, and that, they're good. Yeah. Like your son, he wants every sneaker, he want every Jordan, he want every LeBron. And then they want a cell phone. then they want a car. I mean, like, it's crazy. Like, you know, and the most difficult thing,

and it's a very difficult thing, trying to figure out how much to give them. Because you can't, like, and there's no right or wrong answer. I've seen crazy kids. I've seen kids go to jail. I've seen kids who don't speak to their parents. I've seen parents who don't speak to their kids.

I mean, it's such a crazy learning experience because 99.9% of the players grew up poor. Yes. And now your dad's rich. And I can't even imagine how crazy it is now with the money you guys make to date. I mean, I tell people all the time, dude, the most money I made in 16 years was $5 million.

a year. That's crazy. And I said, and that's after 16 years I made $5 million. I said, you got guys making $20, $30, $40 million. I can imagine like trying to like, I can

give my kid anything, but I'm not going to. And I don't know if there's a right way or wrong way to do it. But man, it's really a tricky, slippery slope trying to figure

out how much to give them. Absolutely. And because you can give them too much. Like I say, in my years, I've seen a bunch of train wrecks. I've seen a bunch of great kids. I mean, I've seen good, bad, and ugly in my 40 years and the embryo of guys trying to raise their kids. Like I say, I can't even imagine what it's like what you guys making $20, $30 million a year.

Because those kids can read, they're like, my dad making $30 million. year I can get anything I want. Like I say, my last year, I made $5 million after 16 years. And, you know, that's a lot of money. But it ain't nothing to compare it. And bless you guys, what y'all make today. But I couldn't imagine argue with my kids today. My daughter, I only got one way trying to figure like,

Dad, I just saw you made $45 million. And I ask you for this, this, or this? Are you going to tell me no? I'm like, I couldn't imagine what it's like for kids today when they see how much money their parents make and they're like, Dad, you can get me anything in the world, which is crazy. Yeah.

No, absolutely. And I remember when I was on set, your daughter was getting ready to get married. Yes. And you said, I told her you can either get the wedding or you get a down payment on the house. Y'all pick and she picked a wedding. Did she still get the down payment show?

You know, you know, Dr. That was a, first of all, I saw, She went to Villanova in Columbia. I thought she was smarter. I was like, listen, you can get a big chunk of money to store the house and start a college tuition fund. You can get an old stupid wedding. A bunch of bunch of freeloaders come up and drink up all your alcohol

and eat up all your food. And that money's gone. And then she says, Dad, I want a wedding. And I'm like, I thought you were smarter. but is your wedding I said, number one, you better hope this works because I'm not doing this shit

for your second wedding. You're going to get a chance of a piece on your second wedding. And, you know, she stayed relatively in budget. Okay. But I wanted her,

and I can understand, she wanted a wedding as the first time getting married, but I do. I wish a lot more people with like, no, you give me some money,

because I can't imagine what it's going to be costing when kids go to school now. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, damn. I think one of the great travesties in our country is what we charge education. I do. I think America is the greatest country in the world. You see all this stuff going on over in Ukraine and Russia. It's like, man, we're so lucky to be born in the United States.

I mean, that's so crazy. And most of the Ukrainians, I mean, bless them. But, like, what we charge kids to go to school today, it really makes me sick to my stomach because especially black kids and poor kids, they can't, like, they're eliminated probably from 65% of the 7% of the great colleges in this country right off the bat. And I don't think that's fair at all.

I mean, because, you know, these people can't be right and check for $70,000 or getting in debt, that type of way. So I wish they were fixed the school system. So if a kid wanted to go to, let's say, Villanova, I don't even know how much it costs to go to Michigan State, but I'm pretty sure it's a pretty penny. You know, you know, $60,000, that's a lot of money, especially you got three or four kids. Most people can't afford to get in that type of debt. And I wish we would fix that. I wish we would fix that school system in this country. I think one of the biggest issues with it is number one, you go to four years of undergrad

and then you get out, depending on, there's maybe two or three undergrad degrees that you can get and you actually get a great job coming right out of that. For all the other ones, you need to go get a master's or you need to go get a second degree.

Then that puts you another $150,000 to $200,000 in debt. And let's say, for instance, it is a teacher. You know, we know how little teachers are paid in America and how ridiculous their salaries are. So let's say it's a teacher, someone who's educating our children, which is important because they are our future. They're going to be in debt the rest of their life. They bring home $60,000 to $70,000 before taxes.

And yet you're already starting off $350,000, $400,000 in debt. And then you have these kids coming from poor neighborhoods like myself, like yourself. And going into that debt, there's never a way out of it. No, never. Because in order to get these. these loans to actually go to college, you have Sally May and all of these people charging you 18% interest. And so you spend the rest of your life in debt. I actually never understood just the debt system and school system and how it actually worked in student loans until

me and my fiancee were years into date and we got to talking about like us finally paying off our student loans. And my fiance ran track at me. Michigan State. She was on partial scholarship, yet she still has student loan bills. And I was talking to her and she's saying, yeah, it's this amount. I've already been

able to pay off this amount. And I'm just like, she's only paid to interest. Yeah. Exactly. I'm like, are you kidding me? I couldn't believe it. Because for us, you get all the free books. You know, you get everything's for free. So when I left school, I did leave

a debt. I left with a $5,000 credit car bill did I have maxed out because I didn't have any more money but that was it I did not understand that and she helped me understand it and I don't know like if you're not becoming a professional athlete or a lawyer or a doctor like how can you ever or an entrepreneur how can you ever pay those things off the system is that the system is stacked against you you know listen I'm very aware of racism I grew up in Alabama raises the exists always has and unfortunately always will. But the biggest problem, one of the biggest problems we have in America,

it's really just about economics. It's risk people screw and poor people. Because we put poor people in this situation. Well, number one, we put them in the worst neighborhoods. We put them in the worst schools. And we say, good luck being successful. Then you get some fool on TV time and you just got to work harder. They're like, no, you didn't work harder, brother.

You just had an advantage. but you really, unless you got to have great self-esteem, great discipline. Because I remember when I first started learning about debt, as you're talking about now, you know, I don't want to call out any credit card companies. There's a couple credit card companies sending these credit cards to kids in college. But you know, maybe one day I might get a commercial one of these people, so I don't want to piss them up. So they send these credit cards these kids, and they sent them to me and my friends. and we were just going up

and buying up everything. And we'd be patty Joe in the back, man, we were really screwing these people. We're getting over on these folks. And we said, we only got to pay this much. And then I was in college for three years. And then when I got to the NBA, when I started meaming like people knew how to handle the money,

like, what's just debt stuff you got going on? I said, well, we got these credit cards. We were getting over on these people. We buying all this shit, blah, blah, blah, blah. He says, you do know you only paying the interest, right? I'm like, I have no idea what you're talking about. He says, Charles, they send those credit cards to poor people who need it. And you just buy a bunch of stuff and you pay quote unquote the minimum, which is not even an interest in most cases.

And then by the time you figure it out later, something that costs $1,700, you paid like $4,000. for it by the time you actually get it. I was like, damn. And so that's one of the reason I try to teach my friends. I say, yo man, do not get these credit cards. And if you get those credit cards, pay them off each month or pay them off as soon as possible. It's like sometimes you run into stuff, well, you just need some stuff. I said, but do not pay that damn minimum, but you're going to pay two to three times

whatever some costs because they only send you a couple of costs. cards in college. Like, wait a minute. Why are they sending me credit cards in college and I ain't got no damn job? Because that's part of the hustle they got going on. And, you know, it's stuff like that.

You know, I try to teach my friends, do not be maxing out these credit cards, get whatever you get and pay it off. Don't hold on. Pay it off. And that's the type of stuff I try to teach my home boards in my small town in Alabama. Because there's a lot of scams out there

that black people don't know about. And poor white people in the same boat, too. You know, they're in the same boat. I mean, that goes back to what I said earlier. It's really about economics. Because I use this analogy when I'm speaking. You've got to understand something about being poor in black and foreign white.

The baseball analogy. It's three strikes in baseball. But if you're born poor in this country, you've got two strikes against you. You're going to be in a shit neighborhood. You're going to be in a shit school. And they're going to say, good luck. And like I say, me and you got hit.

because we were really great at basketball. But most of the people, they ain't got that type of talent. And that don't mean negative about them. That's just a fact. And if you don't have that self-discipline, you get yourself in debt, and it's a long uphill climb for the rest of your life. Absolutely. I think for me, even learning once I got to the NBA,

my first year of file in Texas, my mother, I had done so much for my mother that first year that my business manager was like, hey, I think you should claim her on your taxes. At that point was the first time I ever learned how much money my mom made. And I always wonder about this, especially in neighborhoods like ours.

One thing with me and my kids is I tried to teach them about money now. Because, you know, growing up in the neighborhoods that we grew up in, it's like I'd ask my mom, Hey, mom, how much did that cost enough? You know, or, um, mom, uh, can we afford to pay for that? And it's just no.

Well, why can't we afford to pay for that? Or, um, mom, how, how much money you make? You got a roof over your head, don't you? Yeah. And the reality is, I'm so appreciative. Exactly. And I'm so appreciative of my mom. And you can never be mad at your parents just for not knowing what they didn't know.

You know, they didn't know anything about finances either. But the reality is, is if we don't learn to correct that, especially as a culture, and really teach our children about finances, good, bad or indifferent now, while they are still kids, we're going to continue this dying cycle of our culture and not understanding financial literacy by hiding it. You know, you're trying to hide the fact, like I think at that point, I think I found out my mom, $17,000 a year. And I'm sitting there like, are you kidding me? Like, I remember growing up, my mom was saying, we poor.

Like, I would ask for something, and she'd be like, we poor. And we'd like, whatever. Like, we had a roof over our head. I had clothes on my back. I had shoes. Exactly. And so I'm like, whatever. Until I saw that, I was like, wow.

But how do we ever change that if we don't get comfortable enough with whether we're poor, middle class, rich, wealthy, if we never get comfortable enough with sharing that information with our children? Well, I think the number one thing we've got to do is we've got to like, okay, guys, I'm not going to be an enabler. I'm not just going to give you money and let you blow it. Because once you start giving people money, they're never going to stop. They're never going to stop.

You've got to teach them how to handle money. Because some people get in debt one time. That's understanding. But when you come around asking for money all the time, you just becoming an enabler. You know, I remember my mom, I got one pair of shoes to start the season because that's all she could afford.

And she would bring them to the game. And she would come to the locker room after the game and get them. They had to last me the whole season. And that's because my mom was a maid. I live with my mom, my grandmother. My mom wasn't made. And my grandmother worked in a meat factory. So I guarantee it neither one.

made over $20,000 the reason three boys, four boys total actually, because two of my brothers have passed away. And I couldn't imagine until like, she's like, Charles, you're going to get one pair of shoes. They got to last you the whole season. You can wear

them to school once the season over, but you're going to have to wear raggedy shoes to school every day. But I'm going to get you a brand new pair of shoes to start the season. It was so funny. She bought him to the game, and she came, it was like, knocked on the door after the game. He's like, no, you're not wearing those shoes out the rest of the night.

I used to joke about that later in life, but that was it. Those shoes have to laugh at me the whole season. And, you know, living in the projects, you know, my mom and grandma did an amazing job, but living in projects, like, you don't even know you poor. Like, we ate our meals. We never were hungry. I mean, it was tough living, sleeping in bunk beds growing up, but never even realized, quote, unquote, we were poor until later in life.

Like, we were poor. But my mother and grandma, they were both hardworking ladies. And like I said, I got very lucky because I could dribble a stupid basketball around. And I was very fortunate to change the whole dynamic of my family. And hopefully I can keep sharing that. you know, one of the things I do a lot of work with historical black colleges, and I try to tell them, like, you got to learn how to handle money. No matter how much money you got, you got to learn how to handle it.

If it's a million dollars, you got to handle it. If it's $7,000, you got to handle it. It is what it is. The situation you're in, that's your reality. And you're right. One thing about being black, we got to do a much better job on teaching each other how to handle money. And also we got to make sure as far as when it comes to crime

we have to tell black people the system is stacked against you criminally you can't break the law then say there's systematic racism like yeah we know there's systematic racism and you know if you break the law they're going to put your ass in jail but you don't get to break the law

and come back and say is systematic racism. Every black person in America that's like, yeah, there's systematic racism. I know that I can't break the law. But I always laugh when these guys break the law and says, what's the system?

I'm like, no shit, it's the system. Everybody knows the system is racist. It's systematic racism. So you knew you couldn't do stupid stuff and you still went out of their stupid stuff. That's what pisses me off sometimes. Absolutely. Now, and switching gears just a little bit because we are talking about African Americans.

A question that I wanted to ask you because I've had a very similar, not similar in necessarily what happened, but similar in the outcome. Why is it as, especially as African American men, because we are leaders, why is it that we as African American men struggle so hard? to move on from things and reunite back together. And the situations that I am talking about is my fallout with Kevin, which was a very public thing, everyone knew about it, everyone questioned it, blah, blah, blah. You're falling out with MJ, which was kind of a public thing, but everyone knew about it.

And yet, I think that is a very important relationship because, number one, both of y'all are two guys that I grew up watching play, two guys that I grew up looking up to, but also two guys that are doing such positive things in our community. And I think one of our biggest issues in our community is he's doing positive over here. He's doing positive over there. She's doing it over here. But we never come together, we never come together and do it all as one. Why is it that we can't move past things like that as African American men and just allow it to keep moving forward? and as if that's not going to affect the ones coming up from behind us.

Yeah. Yeah, I think number one, when you're successful, you're stubborn. So to be successful, you have to have an ego. Absolutely. And sometimes it's to a fault. But we all have, you're successful, you have an ego, you're stubborn, that's part of what makes you successful. That to me is what it's really all about.

It's so First of all, it's always stupid, too, to be honest with you. Like, you know, man, I'm sorry. You're sorry. Let's keep it moving. Let's get over this bullshit, whatever it is. But people get stubborn and you factor in the way we are in television and the internet today. It's like, well, I'm not going to make the first move. You're not going to make the first move.

And you got to understand there's people around. both of y'all, both of us, who are probably fanning the flames. Absolutely. So it really comes down to silliness, to be honest with you, because

we all need each other to be successful. We all need each other to be successful. And it's just about ego and stubbornness. That's all it is. Because very few guys are picked the phone or

so yo man my bad my bad you know most celebrities get in trouble when they try to handle a messed up situation they instead of like they got all these people around

like hey let's handle it like this let's handle it like this one of the reasons I have been successful every time that I messed up Drey I just said the words my bad I'm sorry And I don't worry about, because there's two factions. There's the public and there's the media. The media, they're in a very unique situation. What I mean by that is they kind of got to pile on or they lose credibility.

When you do something wrong or stupid, the press can't say, oh, it's all right. They're like, no, I got to keep my credibility. So they're going to throw gas laid on the fire. That's just the way the thing works. So the people around you, you got to have good people around you to tell you like, no, Dre, you probably shouldn't do that. No Chuck, you probably shouldn't do that.

But on the other hand, there's so many people around you, because on the payroll, who lets it, no, man, forget him. He's this, he's that. So there's a lot of variables, but it really comes down to ego and stubbornness. That's all it really comes down to. And I know for sure that you're capable of putting your ego to the side. By the way, when I first walked out, and I've told this story publicly before, when I first walked on to the set to do the arena,

which you, Kerry Champion and Dwayne Wade, I mean, there was no surprise. I was coming on there. We had been talking back and forth in the media. You said you was going to punch me in my face. I said I was going to take your job. Like we can go on and on and on It went on for years And the moment I walked on that set

You got out of your seat What's up, Dremont, how are you doing? And I'll be 100% honest with you I was walking up there like Whatever happened happened If he say something to me If he want to punch me, I'm ready to go there And you disarmed me so fast

Like, hey, what's up man? How are you doing? It's great to see you, welcome And I'm just sitting there like, what the hell? You know what's really funny? You remind me a lot of Dennis Rodman. Like,

I want to play with you. You'd be an known as fuck to play against. Like, I saw Dennis at the 75 thing, and we hugged each other like, brother, he's somebody I really like a lot and respect. You are the same way. It would be annoying to play against you. Because, number one,

I don't think you've ever committed a foul. And that's, hey, listen, That makes me laugh every time. But I think sometimes people don't realize, and you're going to realize it too, like at 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning, sometimes you're like, this dude has drive me crazy tonight.

He's arguing with the rest all night. And then Shaq said, what do you want to do? And I just said, I just want to punch him in the face. And then what pissed me off about that night, to be honest with you, I was joking around.

And then a reporter asked you that, And then you got to, see, that's one thing I tell brothers. You have to be really careful because everybody's got pride and ego. And I knew when I heard him ask you that question, I said, oh, man, this dude going to think I'm serious about punching him. I ain't never going to punch an NBA player because we're all in the same family. But I knew because a lot of guys don't understand, like, the media, when they ask you, a question, they want you to come back at a dude.

They want you to keep it going. That's why I never respond. When guys say bad stuff about me, I say, I take that, goes with the job. Because the media, number one, they don't know a lot about basketball. So, when they have two guys just going back

and forth at each other, it's just crazy. And you kind of doing it, I said, we're doing their job for them. I'm like, no, man, you write about basketball. Don't write about these two guys. Because, like, why are you writing about two guys who says something about each other? That's like right now,

I haven't heard Janice's response, but I heard Charles Oakley say that Janus would be like coming off, he's not that good of a player, and he'd be coming off the bench and our date. And like, I hope Janus don't respond. Because then they're going to go back and forth, back and fourth back and forth. And like, nobody wins because John is a great, great player. That dude can flat out fall.

I mean, what's going to be very interested in the next 10 to 15 years, man, he's going to, whew. If he, I mean, he's going to set so many records because he's getting an easy 20 a night for the next 10, 10, well, because he's only like 25. Yeah, young. Yeah. He's young. But I hope he don't respond because that was a stupid statement. It was unnecessary.

But like I say, that night when I hit that, I was joking around. It was like, I mean, you, y'all are always to late games. It was like 1 o'clock in the morning. And I was joking around with Shaq and Kenny. And then I saw when that reporter asked you that question, I said, oh, man, he going to think I'm serious. But like I say, you remind me a lot of Dennis. Because Dennis, man, that dude was a heck of a player.

He was a hell of a player. He was so damn annoying to play against. because you're trying to concentrate on basketball and now he made it personal instead of you just playing basketball. I'm trying to go at him. I'm trying to go at Dennis every play now. You know, man, I'm here sick hand

with a great defender you are. You're talking trash. I'm going at your ass every time. And he gets in your head and you do exactly the same thing. So, man, when you came into studio, the first time I met you was in New Orleans. Yeah, I remember that.

I remember. And I said, you're going to be a hell of an NBA player. We were at some bar having fun as usual. And then I say, welcome to the NBA, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And listen, you've had a hell of a career set forth. And the future is still bravely. You got a long way to go. But I just think that we, and you're going to learn this too.

There's going to be guys who, when you have to talk. talk about guys, they're going to be like, I want to play with that dude, but he's annoying as hell. Because when, because, you know, it's like, like, now, if I played against Luca, this dude can play on ever, he's a hell of player. He's a hell of, I watch y'all game Sunday night. I said, he got another technical, but he complains on every play. And what he doesn't even realize, he's making contact with the defense.

with all great offensive players. So he is getting hit. But if he was asked to go back and look at the tape, he's the one making the contact. He does create a lot of contact. The best player I see do that is Alan Iverson. Because he's such a little dude and a great player, he always hit the defense first.

And me being a six-five guy, I hit the defense every time. And every time they didn't call a foul, I'm like, damn, dude, you didn't see that? And I didn't realize until I went back and watched the tape. I'm like, oh, I actually the one who made contact with him because I had to get the 6-9 guy off of me. And a lot of guys are like that.

When they're great offensive players, depending on the size advantage, they always hit the defense first. That's the way you get them off your foot. When I played against Michael, he's the best player I ever played again, I had to hit him like every single time. And because he was so long and lanky, but I was making contact with him every time and every time he didn't call a foul,

I bitched and complained about him. And switching gears a little bit and just going back to the set. You and Shat go at each other more than anybody I know. Do y'all ever get to the point of where you like, man, like that was too much? Like, do y'all ever get to the point

where y'all really pissed at age? Because I know y'all are best of friend, but do y'all ever get to the point to where you like, yo, that was too much that really pissed you off or you really pissed him off? I hope I pissed him off. Because, you know,

because Dre, what he really don't understand is he's always been the best player and the biggest baddest dude. Absolutely. And what me and Kenny

try to explain to him and you probably can explain also, like dude, we ain't more talented than everybody we play against. there's a strategy there's a strategy

there's some techniques and things like that that are really important but he's never had to worry about that Drake because he's always been the biggest most athletic guy

in the world and he gets so mad when we try to talk basketball and me and Kenny argue with him all the time he's like won't they just get the ball to the big man

let him dominate he's like nobody's like you and Wilch Chamber there's a strategy like me and Kenny and Drey, we have to have a strategy every night, especially against whoever you're playing against.

And he refuses to listen to that. So then he goes right, well, you didn't win the championship. I say, you're right. That still don't mean you don't, we're talking basketball strategy. And I know every time I call him out on this strategy, he gets so pissed and I love it. But the thing that I try to get him to understand is, Shaq.

We ain't all like you. You've always been the biggest, baddest dude. You're bigger, stronger, faster than everybody you play again. When I play against Byrd, McKell, Carl Malone, those three of the best are Kevin Garnett. Like, I have to watch tape and figure out how I'm going to be successful against this dude. Mm-hmm. You know, I mean, I really have to think. I says, I'm going to be six-five every day.

When I'm playing against six-nine bird, I got to try to figure out how to attack him or stop him. So, McCell, he's seven feet tall. I just can't post a seven-foot guy up. Carl Malone. Kevin Garnett. I mean, when I'm playing, and he refuses to understand that there's any strategy in basketball. And you, as a player who survives on Smart, like, you're going to have to have a game plan against a lot of guys. And that's one of the reason you've been successful.

But he refuses to believe there's in his strategy in basketball. So it makes me mad. And then I go at him, I says, you just don't know anything about basketball. And he gets mad, which makes me laugh more inside a kid is poking me on the table, like, get him, get him. And then so I know when I get him, you know, you don't wear him. anything. I'm like, yeah, I know, but we're talking basketball strategy. So it's fun for me to, to rile him up. But I wish that he would sit back and say, oh, maybe there is a strategy. But we all live in our own existence. Absolutely. Like he's like, he's never like, I need to

have a strategy against Stanley Roberts, DeKibbe Motombo, Rick Smiths. Patrick Ewing Like probably the only big guy Who schooled him was probably a key Yeah And then once he became the full force he became Like he was pretty much unstoppable But he has always been the big

As bad as dude So he refused to believe there's any strategy in basketball And I just laughed my ass off Because like, yo man You do know there's actually a strategy in basketball depending on who you plan against. But because of how great he was, he doesn't care.

So any time I can get his blood pressure up, I love it. When he hits you with the G-14 classification or you don't got ring, does that ever irk you? And what do you make of what people make of rings? because in some cases I think, you know, they can be overvalued sometimes for certain guys. Like certain guys, you didn't really contribute to get in that ring. But you got the ring, great. Some cases, it does matter.

But I don't get, listen, and I'm not sensitive or whatever. If people want, I'm trying to figure out just because a couple jackasses on television like Skip Bayless, who I hate more than life itself. starts talking about who won and who didn't want, a guy who never played, and now they're making a great living doing that. But what bothers me about that is basketball's not an individual sport. Absolutely.

Like to go on television and talk about just because it makes great TV, like, wait, dude, basketball is a team game. You're making a great living because it's easy for people to attack certain guys the stars, stars. You know, they don't, because I used I'll tell this, I says, nobody ever says, hey man, Mark West didn't win the championship.

You know, Kevin Johnson, too, a great teammate. Nobody ever said Dan Martin to win. But you get a guy like Skip Baitis on television who's got a radio show on a following. He picks shots about certain guys who were great players who didn't win the championship. And he's made a great living doing it.

But my thing has always been, wait, it's not, it's, y'all do know it's a team game, right? So that's the only time I get mad when guys who've never played the game talk about who hasn't won anything. And listen, and I, and the points you said earlier, a couple seconds ago, like, I don't even get mad at guys who can't play dead who get rings. Yeah.

Good for them. But I don't want guys talking around talking about the dude never won the thing. You know, man, you didn't even play in the game. I mean, like, you can say to yourself, oh, I was a big part of the Warriors winning. Like, but if some guy came in me who didn't even get in the game, the time of he won the championship, I'm like, yeah, man, you really, you cross the line right now. But that's the only time.

But I get offended when guys who never played who are making a lot of money, talk about what he never won anything. Like, well, number one, you never played. Let's get that out of the way. But this attack guys who are great at their sport. And there's a lot of guys who are great. I mean, you look at Carl was great. John Stockton was great.

Patrick Young was great. they just never played on the best team. But to minimize what they did because it makes good internet, you know, they were on Matt Stafford before he got one this year. Wait, did Matt Stafford get better? No, he went to a better team.

He did go to a better team. I mean, he never won a playoff game in Detroit. He went to championship. Now, what, all of a sudden, he's a great, great player. I wish him none but the best, but he went to a great team. But, you know, that was a narrative when the year started.

He's not that good. He's not that good. Now he won like, okay, now they go to the next guy. So it's probably going to be probably, I don't think Josh Allen, who's great, probably got a couple more years. It's going to be tricky on Pat Mahon's because they're going to turn against him. They've already started or turned against him. They've turned against him.

Rogers. So if you get one, then you get like, you get them off your back for a minute. And I like, well, he only won one. You know, so I just kind of sit back and laugh when guys who've actually never strapped them up make money, talking about who never won anything. No, absolutely. I, you know, I didn't used to pay attention to a lot of the stuff. And I say over the last, and I still, I don't watch a lot of it now. But because of Instagram, you see everything pop up on your. your phone. And like, Skip Bayliss, for instance, like, it's baffling to me. Like, I remember a time when, you know, media guys couldn't be homers, you know, you, you, you even, even ride in one guy like

Skip does, LeBron. It was, it was almost viewed as distasteful. And now it's like, no, that's a real thing. Like, the way he rides LeBron James, like, no matter what LeBron does, That's a real thing. Like, where did that change? How did we go from, you can't be a homer to that? Like, it's two totally different ends of the spectrum. Well, when guys started making money doing that. Because now it's a full-fledged business.

Like, Skip Bayliss hates LeBron and Aaron Rogers. And for me, I hate that because the one thing I try, to do is I'm never going to lie on television because people believe what they see on television. And if you have watched Kilbelis, you know he hates LeBron and he hates Aaron Rodgers. And that ain't right in my opinion because let me tell you something. LeBron James, I think is now, I'm an MJ guy. I make that clear. But I think what LeBron has accomplished is arguably the greatest story in sports.

history. For number one, you look at Kobe, Kevin Garnett, guys like that, they were not good players when they first got to the NBA. That is true.

That's true. LeBron is the only player in my 40 years in the NBA who played great from day one. And for him to turn into one of the best players ever,

he's never gotten in trouble, especially in this 24-hour news cycle with social media. For him to be as great as he's been from the year 18 to where he's at now, I think it's one of the great stories in sports history

because, number one, he was that good from day one. Which, like I said, as greatest Kobe became and Kevin Granat, guys like that, they were not good their first few years. But LeBron was good from day one

and for him to never have gotten in trouble and kept that level of excellence up. I think it's one of the greatest stories ever, in my opinion. I agree 100%. I always tell people with LeBron, he got the chosen one tattooed across his back. He had that tattoo in high school. Yeah.

King James, he was anointed King James in high school. I think what's so incredible to me about LeBron is he probably had the highest expectations of any high school, any player, but especially high school player ever coming into the NBA. Like even Michael Jordan didn't have the expectations to become who Michael Jordan became when he came out of North Carolina. LeBron probably had the highest expectations. Not only did he live up until he exceeded him. 100%. We've never, I mean, like I said, even those guys I mentioned earlier,

LeBron was the only one who came in with that like, you're supposed to be the next great player. And he exceeded that. It's insane. But the thing is amazing, though, Dre, in this 24-hour news cycle, where people got cameras all the time,

what he has exceeded off the court also between his greatest at basketball and what he's accomplished off the court. And he's never really had a serious PR. I mean, the decision thing, leaving Cleveland, things like that. But to never get in trouble is one of the most amazing things

I've ever seen in my life. Absolutely. I mean, even the decision, the decision raised, what, $10 million for charity or something like that. Well, they kind of did that, so they knew they had messed up. They had to be some charity-wise,

you know, because that was a bad thing. I mean, in retrospect, I think it was a bad thing. I think they threw the charitable aspect out there because, like, we're getting killed right now. But like I say, I don't even hold that against him.

because, man, to deal with all that pressure he's dealt with, I just think it's an incredible story. Absolutely. A couple more questions. I know we've been on for a while, and I'll sit here and talk to you all day, as you know. I mean, all we need is a glass of Lobos or something and we'll keep this thing rolling.

No question, brother. No question. But does it... One of the things that I really wanted to focus on and coming on TV and especially being an active player was how do I be critical of guys and say what needs to be said without disrespecting a guy

or making them feel like I'm hating on them because I know we hear a lot or I mean I even hear it a lot today I don't really get off into it no more because I see the other side of things but you hear a lot today like for instance when Uncle

old today, his comment came out. Some of my boys hit me and they're like, why the what do you say this and just that another? And you hear younger players always say, man, them older guys are haters and they just be hating and they're mad because they ain't make as much money and blah, blah, blah. Does it ever bother you when a guy who you may say something about on TV start to dislike you personally or you see them and they don't want to speak or like, you know, it's tension there. Does that ever bother you? No, because, you know, Dre, if you're going to be great at this business and I think

you're going to be, you got to keep your credibility. You got to keep your credibility because that goes back to what talking about. The reason I don't like Skip Bayless is he covers for guys he likes. You can't pick out LeBron and Aaron because you don't like them or that drives your ratings your social media stuff. And then talk good about guys who are not nearly as good, how great they are and blah, blah, blah, blah. So he's become a television personality.

But I think it's important to keep your, like, say, okay, I might not like what Charles said, but he's going to be fair. Listen, there's going to be times you have to criticize guys. There's going to be time you have to criticize guys you like. or the fans going to be like, oh, Draymond, he likes his guys and he's hard on the guys he don't like. But then you're going to lose your credibility. I don't think anybody can say in my 21 years

that I said, oh, Charles just don't like that guy. But I do think there's a way you can criticize guys without, like, I just say, yo man, the guy just had a bad game. He played awful tonight. I don't have to say, oh, man, he sucks out. as a player, he's awful. I'm like, no, he didn't have a good game. First of all, they just saw this dude have a bad game.

They just saw this dude have a bad game. If I get on TV and someone, well, he didn't have that bad of a game, they're going to be like, oh, that's Chuck's boy. Yeah, that's Chuck's boy. He kills other people. So the number one thing you have to do is keep your credibility. because once you lose that, the players ain't going to respect you,

but more importantly, the fans ain't going to respect you. Because when you're on television, you're really trying to relate to the fans. And like I say, they might disagree with you, but as long as you fare, they're going to be cool with it.

But the number one thing, though, Drey, when you get into this business full time, the people saw what just happened. They saw, like, wait a minute. Did Drey just say this dude? played good and he played like grass. So you can't, if you do that, they can be like, I'm not going to listen to this dude more.

He got his guys, he like, he killed the guys. So that's the key, keeping your credibility. So to ask you a question, you know, man, I got to do my job. I got to do my job. Absolutely. No, I respect that. And before we get out of here, are, like I said, at the top of the show, you've won Emmys,

you've done, are there any good? goals for you that you set for yourself that you want to accomplish before you say, like, because obviously as basketball players, you know, we all set these goals, right? Like, I want to win a championship or I want to win a defense player at a year or be an all-star. You set these goals for yourself and you say, I want to do this by the time I retire. Is there anything left for you in TV that you want to do that you say, I have to do this before I say I'm done?

No, I think for me, we are in every broadcasting hall of fame, there is. I think we are considered by far the best television sports show ever. Absolutely. That means a lot to all of us. That means a lot to all of us. I do think it's a joke that we get awards and things like that. I'm not going to lie. I was like, wait a minute, y'all going to pay us and give us trophies?

So, but the number one thing I won't. I want fans to say, I might not like Charles Barkley opinion, but you know what? He tries to be fair and honest. That's all I really care about. You know, when I got in this business, my mentor said to me, Dick Ebersaw, he says, I think you're going to be great on TV. He said, but you're always going to be in trouble. I said, what does that mean?

He said, Charles, fans only want one or two things. They want you to tell them their favorite player is great and their team is great. He said, they don't want anything else. He says, now they're going to respect you, but they ain't going to like you. That's like when I meet Knicks fans. They're like, why you hate the Knicks?

I said, you know, man, I don't hate the Knicks. Y'all have been sucking for 20 years. Why? You want me to get on TV and say they good, right? Is that what you want? I mean, I've been here in a time, seriously, for 20-some years on TV, anytime I'm in New York,

they're like, oh, you hate the Knicks. I'm like, man, the Knicks's been trashed as long as I've been on television. What do you want me to say? You want me to get on TV and said the Knicks got a good team. And I'm going to look like a food. Because other than last year when they had a, decent year. I can't remember them having a good year.

I think Carmelo had a couple great years there, but the team wasn't very good. But when you in New York, they're like, you're a hater on the Knicks. I'm like, yo, man, seriously, you really want me to get on TV and kill my credibility, said the Knicks got a good team. I ain't never lied about

the Knicks. They've been awful, but I want fans to know that I just don't have a hidden agenda. That's the number one thing. Playing a simple. I respect that. Chuck, I appreciate you. I think for me, again, I just want to say thank you for what you've done. I mean, you went from being a Hall of Fame basketball player to transcending the broadcasting career after you're done playing. I don't think I can recall anyone that's done what you've done after the basketball career that you had.

And it's incredible. So just from guys like myself and other guys that want to take that route, I just want to say thank you. And I think one of the most incredible things I can say about you that showed me what type of person you was, I always tell people, because people still walk up to me like, oh, fuck Chuck and like all this stuff. And I'd be like, man, listen,

that's one of my favorite people. And I knew that was evident for me. Two things. Number one, I'm sitting in the green room. You know, I'm new on the job. I'm sitting in my locker room. you come in the studio loud as hell, of course, like only Chuck does.

But you were speaking to everyone. And not only were you speaking to everyone, it was, yo, what's up, Ant, who most everybody don't know Ant, but Ant's the man behind the camera, you know? And, like, quite frankly, in most worlds, you wouldn't talk to Ant, right? Like, no, I'm telling you, though,

the one thing, those people, I speak to everybody every night. I mean, for some reason, these foods have to go in there like 12 o'clock in the day. And I'm saying to myself, well, we don't go on to 7 o'clock. What the hell y'all been doing here? Just noon.

They're like, Chuck, we got to do this, we got to do this. And I'm sitting there like, no, that's nothing shit taking no seven hours for y'all to do. They're like, Chuck, we have to show up at 12 for a seven o'clock show. So, Drey, I learned when I go there, like, they work.

I don't even know what they're doing, but it's got to be hard work for them to get there seven hours in advance. So I make sure every time I go in the studio, I say, hey, how you doing? How you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing?

Because, like I said, I don't know what the hell they're doing for seven hours, but I appreciate them being there for seven hours. I respect their time. And I really appreciate your kind words. And listen, whenever my journey is over,

whether we work together or not, hey, man, take it to the next level. You're going to be great on television. You've got charisma and personality. And it's going to be great when you take over. I appreciate it, man. Like I said, I thank you for paving away. I'm looking forward to catching up soon, my brother.

And like I said, I'm letting see you get your ass on the court. Hey, I'll be back out there in a few weeks, and I'm dominating. again, Chuck. But I'm letting Steve Curtain right on this podcast right now. If Chuck 60th birthday

party happens on the night of a game, I will not be there. I will be at Chuck 60th birthday party. I don't care who in the media got something to say about it. I don't care if y'all want to

light me up or rip me a new one. I'm at Chuck Citi's and that's how it's going. Hey, let me tell you this. Y'all keep winning because I want to see the Phoenix Sun against the goal. Oldest State War.

We got the Western Conference this year. Yes, sir. I want to sleep in my own bed in Phoenix, and I want to make that short trip to San Francisco. So y'all both get it done. I'll see you in the Western Conference Finals, my brother. Yes, sir, my brother. Thank you, Chuck.

I appreciate you. Okay, brother. Y'all be safe. Man, that was such an incredible and insightful interview. I mean, we talked to everything from social economics to how African-Americans, are already behind, I mean, not even really African Americans. Yes, African Americans, but just poor people are already behind the eight ball.

I mean, we discuss broadcast and we discuss plan. We discuss relationships between African American men. I learned so much. I took so much away from that interview. Chuck is always extremely insightful, and he never lacks for words, as we all know, as you know by Mr. Triple Single, as you know by I want to punch him in his face. That guy never lacks words yet has become one of my absolute favorite people in the world. Like I said, one of the best people I've ever been around,

an extreme pleasure and honor that I had to sit alongside him and work alongside him. And then also continue to with my deal that I signed with Turner Sports. So I'm extremely blessed and lucky to have someone like that in my life and to have started building a relationship with the Chuxter because he's just an incredible human being. And I hope you all took the same thing away from that interview. Hopefully you got the opportunity to know him even a little better than you knew before. And how brilliant was the Kobe Gym?

I mean, that's one for the ages. Like, could you imagine, number one, Colby and Shaq back together, which I think would have been beautiful for everyone. But then just adding Colb's knowledge to that panel with the Goat, the Godfather, Ernie Johnson, with the Jet, with Shaq Diesel, as I said, and with the Chucksler, man, that would have been incredible. But unfortunately, we never got to see it. And fortunately enough, maybe.

Maybe fortunately we did it because that also me and Kobe got to spend more of that time that he would have been doing that with his family. As we all know, the tragedy that shook all of our lives and more importantly, his family life. So that's still one that I can't let go. I still get super sad when I see something to Kobe. I still get super sad when I hear his name. I'm not sure if and when I'll ever get over that.

I know a lot of people have, and I still send my love to Vanessa and his girls because just can't imagine. But like I said, such a great episode, such a great interview with Chuckster. I am thankful to the Chuckster. He's so incredible. Make sure you guys subscribe to the podcast if you haven't. Subscribe to the volumes YouTube channel if you haven't. And that's it from the Draymond Green Show.

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