The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show - Klay's 12 Threes + Kyrie Irving Trade Reaction

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

Draymond Green breaks down Klay Thompson's incredible 12 threes against the Oklahoma City Thunder and why he thought Jordan Poole played his best game ever. Then he discusses Steph Curry's injury timeline and potential All-Star replacements like De'Aaron Fox and Anthony Edwards. Finally he gives his take on the Kyrie Irving trade to the Mavericks, the fit with Luka Doncic, and why he's not excited to guard the duo. Produced by: Jackson Safon #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Last minute tickets, lowest price, guaranteed. First game without Steph. And Clay Thompson came out and was Clay Thompson. I'll tell you what. Clay Thompson came out last night, had 12 threes, absolutely incredible performance. Somebody asked me in a press conference about the one shot where he waved Jordan through and shot three in the corner.

Absolute bullshit shot. I'm just going to put that out there right now. But if you watch the clip, as soon as he was by, as soon as he waved Jordan through and he went to corner, you see my body start to turn. I'm already going back on defense. I knew it was going up. He was having that type of night. And when Clay is having that type of night, you got to expect a couple of those.

Quite frankly, when he's not having that type of night, you got to expect a couple of those. But quite, I can't tell you how that feels. I don't know how that feels, so I can't really dive into that mindset of taking that shot. Because I just don't know how that feel. But in saying that, as nostalgia watching Clay shoot like that against Oklahoma City, the only thing different was that it just wasn't in Oklahoma City. But as I'm watching him have that game while we're playing, I had a better seat than you. I couldn't help but think back to Game 6, 2016, where Game 6, Clay, was kind of born.

And it just brings a different energy over the body, like, it puts the mind in a different place. You just feel good. So as I'm watching him had his game and he's liking these dudes up, I can't help but think if like, man, it was Kevin Durant in that jersey and it was Russell Westbrook in that jersey. Like, and you think back to that moment, which was such a huge, incredible moment. But nonetheless, Clay came out. I think he finished the game with 42 points.

Like I said, on 12-3s. As great as he played, I didn't think it was 12-3s. Like, which says a lot because Clay, when he's scoring like that, he pouring on. Like, he pouring on. And it feels, it's loud. But I just didn't feel like he had 12 threes. Like, I knew he was lighting them boys up, but I did not think he had 12 threes. Who was aware, though, was Jordan.

Because Jordan, as you see. Jordan, by the way, Jordan play one of the best games I've ever seen him play. And I know, you know, people have seen him get 40, I think, or, you know, 30 over and he played the best game i've ever seen him play as you know i'm not one that's just going to uh watch points and say oh man this guy played great i got scored 20 in this league 30 in this league and play like shit all the time so that's that's neither here nor there but the game jordan pool played last night at one point i think he had two points and seven assists and that says so much about the game that he was having because it was just in the flow. He was making the right

play. You know, he had the offense settle down. He was getting to the things that he wanted to get through, having a shot turning it down and making an extra pass. Like, it's actually plays like that that sets us up to have the night like we had last night. Like, it's been a long time since we really blew somebody out. But it's those small plays where it's like if Jordan shoots that three on the right wing, the first half. Nobody, nobody's mad. Like, Jordan's a very good shooter and he's open.

Nobody's mad or tripping about that shot. But you fake to pump fake, guy comes flying, next guy comes, and you swing it to Clay. And Clay knock it down. Those are camaraderie building plays. Those are plays that get everybody involved, that get the crowd involved, that make you feel good.

Jordan hit that three, great. Got a kick out, knock the three down, boom. But to make that extra pass to Clay, those are the plays that leads to blowouts like we did last night. And so just getting back to what I was saying about, Jordan, played an absolutely incredible game, dished the ball, 12 assists, four turnovers. But let's talk about them four turnovers. Three of those turnovers came in within his last minute or two in the game, just trying to do everything he can to force feed Clay the ball. because he knew Clay was close to breaking his own record. And so he's just trying to force-feed him the ball.

And three of those turnovers came in. No one's mad about that. No one's blaming that. Everybody knows exactly what's going on. And so the reality is he really had 12 assists and one turnover. And now let's get into his shot making. Totally let the game come to him. Didn't force anything.

Let me take you back. So what happens? Jordan catches the ball on, Jordan catches the ball off the offensive rebound tap out from me. And he's deep. Very, very deep out there, maybe from 37 feet out, 40 feet. And he shot the three. Now let's rewind it back a little bit, Steph Curry throwing his mouthpiece. Same exact play. Ball gets tipped out. He shot it from 40 feet. What's the difference? The difference is he was in such a groove. Number one, it went in.

But number two, he's in such a groove, plays such a great game, that you don't even really feel that shot. Even if he misses it, he's playing so well. Like, you deserve to take that shot. Like, he's played that well. And so, got to give a lot of credit to JP and Clay in last, just our back court general and last night win.

But like I said, JP had an incredible game, let the game come to him. And no, he's not going to play that way every single night. But you need more of that. And because that's the growth, that's his next step and growing to becoming the player that he should and wants to become. That's that next step, more of those. And I thought that was absolutely incredible. And then on the defensive end, see, what you must understand about,

okay, see is they run a lot of guard, guard picking rows. And they're really just waiting on the guard to mess up the switch or just give a little crease. And once they get their crease, that team is number one in drives in the NBA. For those who that may not understand that, they drive to the paint, drive to the hole more than any team in the NBA. And so that was a big thing in the Scott Report. So they're looking for the guards to mess up.

switch and they're going to attack that lane as soon as they see a little crease. I said all of that to say Jordan was also very good defensively, and that's also another step in his growth, which brings it all together into why I said he played probably the best game that I've ever seen him play. Absolute masterpiece of a game, which led us to pretty convincing blowout, which, like I said, it's been a while since we had one of those. We needed it. I end up winning the game about 27 points. That's great as we get ready to head out on the road

for this game in Portland, which is tomorrow night. And as we all know, Dame has been on the heater. So, got to go ahead and try to stop that. Did you see the shot Dame hit last night? From 48 feet, like 46 feet. One step inside half-time.

court. Like, most people got to push that ball to hit that shot. And it luckily goes in. No one was shocked he made that shot. And same rotate, same form, as pure as ever as if he shot it from 30 feet, 26 feet. Yeah. So that was a great game by Clay and a great game by Jordan, which led us to the win, which we need it. Before we move past Clay, you said that, three of Jordan's turnovers were as he was trying to sort of force clay the ball towards the end of that little stretch. When you play with, you've had the opportunity to play with guys that have made double digit threes a lot of times now. When you see a guy getting that hot, how much are you trying to force feeding the ball versus just letting the offense flow, letting the ball sort of find

them as Steve sort of talks about? The natural thing would be to just let the ball find him. but as human beings, it's the most unnatural thing to do. The reality is in the thought process is that the ball has found him the whole game, it'll still find him. But A, we're blowing him out and you know he's going to come out at some point, so you can't really just flow with the offense. See, here's the thing about when Clay has these type of knives or when Steph has these type of nights is we usually blow people out when they have these type of knife.

And so there are times where you'll see guys. guys had these type of nights around the league, and, like, they're down the stretch in the game the last four minutes. Very rarely, dude, those guys had that type of night, and the teams are still in it. I can't recall many, if any. And so, yes, you're supposed to let the ball find him and all of those things, but that human element comes in, like, yo, he's hot, and we're going to do everything we can to find him, and so you have everybody's screen. So then what happens? Everybody's running looking for him to screen, so then he ends up in, like, bunches and, like, he's not open because everything's bunched up.

And then you're trying to force the ball through, like, four people, and you get turnovers. Like, I've seen this quite a few times now. And I've also done it. Like, I'm either the pastor or the screener and trying to get him open. It sucks because you end up causing more, you end up hurting more than you're helping. But in saying that, the natural thing and what a great teammate is going to do is what we do, is do everything you can to find them, do everything you can to screen for them and get open. Because ultimately, what it ends up being is your heart's in the right place. Like, you know it's all coming from a good place.

And with that, you can live with it. So I understand what Jordan was going through, for sure. I think it sort of is dependent on the context, like you're talking about the OKC game, the real game 6 clay game is a playoff game, a really important one. But where does this game rank on like the hottest you've seen Clay where you're like, oh my, you feel every shot's going in.

I mean, he's had so many great nights, obviously, but he came out firing. This one's up there. Obviously it's OKC on a soft Monday right before All-Star break, dog days. Not much. you know, the game doesn't mean a ton.

So that's going to drop it automatically. Like you can't put it above game sit. And then the 60 point game or, you know, like that was crazy. 37 and a quarter. I mean, I've seen this dude have some nights. So I can't put the Monday game against OKC4 games before I start break up there. but just in terms of his shot, I mean, he hits some tough ones.

He got some easy ones, but he hit some tough ones. And, I mean, that's Clay, though. Like, I spoke about the one where he dribbled to the corner. He didn't dribble to the corner and missed that, like, ah, bad shot. He dribbled to the corner and missed it and slapped his hands like it was supposed to go in. Like, bro, that's an awful shot. But he thought he's supposed to make it.

It's, I just can't. I can't get my mind there. I don't, but that's not me. Like, I don't. I, but he actually believed he should have made that shot. And then, you know, you said, and you think about it, and the reality is, that's why he's capable of having the nights that he has, because Lord knows, the shot cloud would have been running down.

I would have felt bad about taking that shot. So I guess that's the difference between me and Clay. Obviously, your shot's better than mine, but the mindset, like, I mean, this man slapped his hands and ran back like, like he shot a good shot and missed it. Dude, you just waved, draw and pulled out the way with two people over there. No problem. Shot an awful shot. Got to love, Clay, man.

He's the best. But, yeah, it may be top five in terms of hotness, but it just don't really have the same punch because he does that very thing and very high pressure moments, high pressure situations. Turn every Thursday into payday with TNT Thursdays on Fandul Sportsbook. Doesn't matter if you win or lose. Fandul's given all customers $10 in bonus bets every Thursday. Just bet a $10 bill or more same game parlay on any NBA TNT game. Same game parlays are the perfect way to combine your bets.

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Um, Steph is, I don't know, I've heard, I've heard three weeks. I've heard multiple weeks. I've kind of heard all this, the same thing that you've heard. But what I will say is this. I think it's important to see how, um, how Steph body reacts over the next few days. Um, you know, just with him being in pain, uh, just how the pain subsize and how his body recovers over the next few days. Because the reality is, you know, you know, if you've read up on the injury at all, like, you know, when I need to know things, I go to Dr. Google. And if you've read up on the injury at all, like, it's one of those things where it's kind of like a pain tolerance type thing. And, you know, when you have acute injuries like that, those first couple of days are brutal. Like you're feeling that pain like nobody's tomorrow. But depending on how that pain subsides, that'll probably determine whether he's out for three weeks or whether he's out for five weeks.

Like, no one knows because, again, it's one of those things. And so I'm hoping, fingers crossed, that, you know, over the next couple of days, the pain will start to subside a little more. And then you kind of get a better outlook. But right now, no one knows. Absolutely sucks. You know, my question, not really, it's more of a rhetorical question or just one that you're really just thinking about is like he had got kicked in that same spot essentially game before. Like, did that have any bearing on him getting hit? You know, once he got hit there, did it have any bearing on that?

There's never really a way to know if that did or if it didn't. But definitely going to be off for an All-Star game is what I've heard. which sucks, but is an opportunity for someone else to get in and Steph still gets his all-star appearance. So as much as that sucks, it's also an opportunity for someone else to add one to their resume. So that's always great. Maybe Deer & Fox, guest of the Draymond Green Show, can get his first one.

Maybe Deerrin Fox, definitely. Maybe Anthony Edwards, possibly Anthony Edwards, possibly Anthony Edwards. We'll see. I think those are probably the two front runners for the replacement spot. Me personally, I don't think you can go wrong either way. If I had a vote, as much as I think Deerrin Fox deserves to get in. And I mean, DeHeron Fox is an all-star, and he should have been an all-star even without replacement consideration. But if I had a vote, vote, I would probably put Anthony Edwards in and Harris' wife. The reason being is Kat, who's an all-star, got hurt, and Anthony Edwards has kept that team afloat. He's kept them right in the

mix of the playoffs, and he has had big games. So that may be why if I had a vote that I would vote Anthony Edwards. But again, by all means, De Anthony, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, De Aaron Fox is an all-star. Point blank, period. Now, on top of my reasoning for Anthony Edwards getting in, I also say the king's already have an all-star in,

but they are also a top three seed. So should they have two, if they have two players that's capable? Probably so. the number two C got two subs in in Jaron Jackson and John Morant. Number one C didn't get two in in Denver, but if Jamar Murray was healthy longer,

they would have gotten two in. So you can make the argument that they are the third seat and they should get two in. And I can't argue that. Because again, Deeran Fox is an all-star. But I've given you my reason on why I may give, I probably will give Anthony Edwards the nine. But we shall see, for those that don't know,

Adam Silver picks the replacement. That's not something that's voted on by coaches. That's not, oh, this guy was next in line. That's the commissioner's call. And so I'm looking forward to seeing who commission should go with because that's a tough one. And someone's going to be upset. So we'll see.

Lucas out right now with a bruise hill. Those things are funny. So you may end up having another replacement anyway because that could very well, that could very well not be ready. And what's all start? Next weekend, two weekends from now? Maybe that's not ready.

And you get both of those guys in and it is what it is and no one's upset. But it's going to be interesting to see if it's only one who the commissioner goes with. That's a tough one. You have two guys that are very deserving. We shall see. Before we get out of here, we must talk about the biggest news in the NBA.

Kyrie Irvin requested a trade last Friday. Kyrie Irvin two days ago was traded to the Dallas Mavericks. Let's talk about it. I mean, you got two of the best offensive talents in the NBA on the same team, which, by the way, you had two of the best offensive talents on the same team in the NBA when Kyrie was with Brooklyn,

as we all know what Kevin Durin is to this game of basketball and what he does and what he brings. But now you got him with Luca. I don't love it. Reason I don't love it, that's very hard to stop. It's very hard to stop.

Kyrie Irvin is one of the best scorers we've seen. One of the best, if not the best ball handler we've seen. Tough shot taker, tough shot maker. Kyrie Irvin also can spot shoot. And that's what makes it interesting. Because everyone says, oh,

Kyrie needs the ball, Luca needs the ball. That's true. But Kyrie can actually spot shoot. Luca is not the best spot shooter. Luker's more get his rhythm off the dribble. shoot it off the dribble. But Kyrie can spot shoot. And Luca, as we know, finding you.

So I don't love it from that standpoint. Not I don't love the trade. Not I don't love it because, like, from an offensive standpoint, that's going to be tough, tough, tough to guard. defensively. I feel like as of late in Karee's career, he's defending more.

He's taking on those challenges of guarding these great guards. And so if Karee's going to continue to take it on that challenge of guarding great guards, as I don't see him stopping, was Spencer Dinwiddie a better defender than Karee? I think not. And no disrespect.

Spencer Dinwiddie, but he's definitely not the offensive player, Kyrie Urban is. So you have to know that that team upgraded. Now, from a long-term perspective, also one thing you should understand about that trade is Dorian Finney Smith played in a game against us the night before, which means that wasn't even in talks because he wouldn't have played. Because if he gets hurt in that game, that blows the whole trade up. Spencer did when he played in the game with us the night before. If he gets hurt, blows the whole trade up.

So, number one, think about how fast that trade had to come together. We played them in the game the night before. By noon the next day, they were traded for Kyrie. That came together fast. Got to credit Nico Harrison for having the guts to pull the trigger like that. Like, he didn't have much time to think. think. He pulled the trigger. I respect that from Nico. You know why I respect that? Because this is a what have you done for me lately, lead. And GMs and coaches are usually the first to go. Dallas

not having a great year of what they would have expected to have coming off of the year that they had last year. But also, they lost Jalen Brunson. And so now you're essentially replacing Jalen Brunson with Kyrie Irvin. Hey. Jalen Bruns is good, but Kyrie Irvin is Kyrie Irvin. So kudos to Nico for pulling the trigger like he pulled the trigger.

What is the downside to this trade? The downside is it doesn't work. Kyrie hasn't signed an extension. It doesn't work and you piss Luke off and Luca wants to leave. That's the downside to the trade. But again, if I'm the Dallas Maverison, and I'm Nico, you got to swing.

Like, you have to swing, and they swan, and now we'll see how it plays out. But I think that's the downside, and then the other downside is, and here's why I won't tell you, this side is not as down as you may think. But the other side is, Kyrie didn't sign the extension,

and Kyrie walks, and you traded the first round pick, you traded second round picks, you traded Spencer Dinwiddie, you traded Dorian Finney Smith. So if Kyrie walks this summer leaves your roster in a tough spot. But here's why it's not as down as you think. Because if Kyrie does walk, that's $40 million off your caps, off your books.

Christian Wood is a free agent. That's another $14, $15 million off your cap. So that's $50 million. And it's Dallas with a superstar there. Can you go attract somebody to put next to Luca even if Kyrie does walk? You have the cap space to do that. And so even if he does walk, you're not in the worst position because you still have cap space to go out in free agency and get someone.

Dallas isn't a bad city, no state taxes, got Luca Donchrist there, Mark Cuban spends money on the team, the list goes on and on. So it's not as down as you think in most situations where if you traded for this guy and he walked in four months, it's not all bad because you get all that cap space and you can go out in free agency and you can swing and you can possibly attract another superstar or a damn good second option.

And so I give credit to Nico with their trade. As far as the nets go, I am told that they would not trade them to the Lakers, and that is what I call billionaire pitch. petty. That is Josai saying, listen, man, that's where he want to go. I don't care if they offer the best deal or not. I can be petty too. And billionaire petty is a different level of petty. And not many people can compete with billionaire petty. So before we get out of here, I'll tell you the most interesting thing about the tweet, excuse me, about the trade, was LeBron James'

interviewed that release within 24 hours of Kyrie being traded. Hey, that interview, which is a great interview, by the way, check the interview out,

Bron and the great Mike Wilbon. They did an interview, and it's more so about, like, as you all know, it's clickbait. The only thing they're going to post is Brian talking about Kyrie.

But if you actually watch the interview, like, Brown's talking about passing Kareem, which is incredible, talking about how he wants to do it. He don't want it to be a free throw and all of these things. So it's a great interview. You got two goats sitting there having a conversation. But I'll tell you, it is hilarious how that all played out and how Karees gets traded that day and they do the interview. And it comes out three hours after Karee's traded.

Absolutely incredible moment. hilarious. Looking forward to LeBron breaking the scoring record this week. I am tempted to go to the game in L.A. But I just don't want to go and then he don't break it. So I'm going to sit this one out. So for everybody saying, oh, would Draymond go? Will he not? I'm tempted to go.

But I'm going to save my money on a private jet from L.A. to Portland that I would have to get if I go to that game because we got to go to Portland. So for those of you who's saying I'm making a decision not to go. That's that. That's a wrap from this episode of the Draymond Green Show. Until next time, peace.