The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show - Kyrie and Klay (possibly) Returning + A Gary Payton Interview

Episode Date: January 6, 2022

On episode eight of ‘The Draymond Green Show’ Draymond discusses the Warriors game getting postponed last week, Kyrie Irving’s return to the lineup for the Brooklyn Nets, Klay Thompson’s upcoming return to the Golden State Warriors, and Quin Snyder’s comments that Draymond should be in the MVP discussion, before being joined by Sonics legend Gary Payton for an amazing interview.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Obviously, you know, my ties to the town. That's an, you know, OG who, since I came out here, just kind of always tapped in with me and always show love. And obviously, everything's come full circle with young GP, the young glove, you know, being with the dubs and playing incredible basketball. I know as Pops is proud. So we had an incredible conversation. And my favorite part of the conversation was the very beginning. And I think selfishly, that was my favorite part of the conversation.

So you all would definitely have an opportunity to hear the conversation. I think it was fantastic. you know, you know, we both can chat it up a little bit. That's kind of what we do. So I'm looking forward to that and I'm looking forward to sharing that with you guys. But first, we need to talk about a few things going on around the association. Starting with, I think everybody wants to hear about my thoughts on the Warriors, the Warriors Nuggets game that was postponed when I was in COVID protocol. And the reality is it probably helped me because that was one less games that I miss, so I only end up missing two games.

And then obviously getting back the other day against Miami. First game back at Chase Center, felt good to be back with the guys after missing a couple games. Sitting there watching it on TV sucks. And for me personally, I'm sitting there watching it on the TV. Like, go. Blitz him, go, go. Like, feeling like I'm there and those guys can hear me.

So it's definitely, definitely was great to be back on the football. floor. I think I had a pretty good first night out against Miami. I thought I was going to finish that game with 20 assists after having 10 assists in the first half, but it didn't quite go that way. But nonetheless, it was a great win for us. But speaking back to the postponement of the game, I thought it was complete bullshit. And the reason I did was because, as my tweet said, you put certain rules in place so you don't have to deal with that. And they didn't follow those rules. Denver didn't follow those rules. You know, so you add a couple guys here that you say questionable due to these injuries

that no one can say, oh, that guy can actually go out there and play, but yet a night and a half later they're out there playing, you know. So I thought that was garbage. I thought it probably should have been a forfeit because now we're going to have to go back to Denver on the back to bat. We have a game March 8th versus the Clippers at home. Now we have to go play in Denver March 7th, play at home against the Clippers on March 8th, and then fly back to Denver March 9th to play against Denver,

March 10th. So as I said in my tweets, Advantage Denver. And a game that we would have won is now probably a scheduled loss. And I thought that was totally unfair. You can even look at the Brooklyn Nets, that, you know, a team that had three games postponed.

And, you know, we cut them a little bit of slack because I don't, I'm not quite sure that the rules were exactly intact when their team got hit with COVID, but you canceled three games in a row. That would have been three losses for the Brooklyn Nets. Now, say it comes down to us versus the Brooklyn Nets and the finals and that, and that changed the home court advantage.

It's unfair. And so I thought it was garbage. I thought it should have been a forfeit on Denver's behalf. Obviously, we're not making a thing of forfeit, but you can clearly tell they took advantage of the rules. They added guys as questionable, said those guys couldn't play, so they didn't meet the threshold of the minimum amount of players to play a game. And then yet our team is sitting there in Denver with no for three days

and doesn't play a single game and then it's going to have to go back. So I didn't think that was fair. We've had to play games without our guys, with myself being one of those guys. And yeah, you know, we could have did the same thing going to Toronto where, you know, some of us didn't, didn't, didn't play in that game, we could have put more guys down as questionable as well and did the same thing. And so if you put rules in play, stick by them. It can't be a case-by-case basis because

it changes for everyone and it's a competitive advantage. So I thought that was totally unfair. I thought it was garbage and I thought it should have been handled way differently by the league than it was. Speaking of COVID situations, Kyrie returning and Kyrie is returning tonight. And I think we're all excited just as a basketball fan. You're excited to see Kyrie join that team and, you know, bringing that team to full strength. They prepared to play with Kyrie. And so now that he's getting an opportunity

to do that only in role games, as we know, it's exciting. You know, Kyrie is one of the most exciting players to watch in the league. So, you know, he's going to – Kyrie is kind of that, you know, 6-1, 6-2, whatever Kyri is, but walks around. with shoulders like he's seven feet.

You know, he's going to come back. Straight pedal to the metal. No trying to find the rhythm. It's not how Kyrie operates. So I'm looking forward to that. I think all basketball fans is looking forward to Kyrie getting the opportunity to play. So that will happen tonight in Indiana. And I think Indiana might want to watch out because I know that boy is coming back.

I'm sorry, that man is coming back with Avengers. And it's going to be good. So I'll be tuned in and locked in, watching that one before, if it lines up with when we play. I think they play an hour before we play, so maybe I'll get a chance to see a little bit of it. But if not, I'll just catch it on film because I am excited to see Kyrie and his shiftingness get back out there on that floor with his scoring ability. And, I mean, we all know Kyrie's an incredible player. So definitely looking forward to that, Kyrie joining back with the Nets. Quinn Snyder made some comments the other day where he said,

I should be in the MVP conversation. And I actually spoke about it in my press conference the other night and said, I agree. And the reason I agree is because if you can't watch me play and realize that scoring the basketball isn't the only thing that makes you great, as I always say, you probably just don't understand what you're watching. And yet, you know, so many people, everybody in their mind, I always say. tell football player friends of mine, I'm envious to you guys because you have 11 guys running out there on your team, 11 guys on the other team. People can't begin to even try to come up with what coverage you're in or what defensive scheme you're in, what Reed was wrong. You know,

who catches flack, like a receiver for dropping the ball or running back for not, running the ball well, or quarterback for throwing a pick, or a D.B. getting burnt. But sometimes when that DB get burnt, it's actually the free safety fault. But because it's so much going on on the football field, people can't really make that out. And so I always tell my football guys who are my friends that play football is I'm envious to you guys because everyone in their mom thinks they know the game of basketball. And it is so far from true. I always tell people I study this game every single day for hours on in.

as most people do in their craft, yet they think they know the game better to me. And this is what I do for a living. This is what I study daily. What you give your awe to is what I give to the game of basketball, and yet people think they understand the game as good as us. And so when Coach Snyder said that, I was very appreciative of it because I do feel that way.

I do feel like I'm one of the best players in the league. I do feel like every night I am doing, incredible things to make sure my team wins the game. Now, obviously, you know, I play next to the ultimate MVP candidate and Steph Curry. But I do think I should get some consideration. And, you know, that consideration may not be top three, as there are so many great players in the running for that award. But just to be up there on that list in the top 10 being considered for that award,

I think is incredible. And I think with all the things that I do, I can't disagree with Coach Snyder. I agree 100%. But we know how it goes. You know, you're not averaging 25, 30 points a game. You don't really get any acknowledgement for that award. And it's fine.

It's fine. As we all know, I do have my eyes set on that defensive player at a year war. And so, you know, that's my goal, and that's what I'll continue to push for. That war really means a lot to me. And, you know, I'm trying to add that to my trophy case. Add another one to my trophy case. So I definitely agree with Coach Snyder, and I hope those voters agree too. And send a couple votes your boy away.

That's all I asked for. And then before we get to the interview with the OG, I think lastly, we are all excited and anticipating Clay Thompson's return. You know, a lot of people made something of Clay walking off the court, holding up six fingers in his warm-up the other night. And a lot of people are saying that he was holding up six. fingers meaning six days until his January night return. Unfortunately, guys, I get the same information you get.

I get it right off the internet. Clay Thompson's possibly returning on January night. What I can tell you is this guy's been flying around the facility. And I don't just meet on the basketball court. He's breezing through. He's hype. He's drake. Let's go.

This, that, another. I mean, his energy is through the roof. So if that takes us to a January 9th, Clay return, then maybe those six fingers were about six days. If not, we know he's somewhere within the next couple weeks. And I know I'm looking forward to that just about as much as anyone, if not more, to reunite with my brother, a guy who I've played with my entire. career, but that I've had the opportunity to win three championships and going in the trenches with every single night.

I am looking forward to that. I understand and know what he's been through over these last couple years, two and a half years, and, you know, just seeing all the good, the good days, the bad days, it was a roller coaster. I mean, it was legitimately a roller coaster. Like, some days he walk in and he doesn't, he wouldn't talk to anyone. Like, he just walk in and, like, just sit there and, like, going about his business. And then some days he walk in and he's, like, loud as hell.

And, you know, Juan Tuscano Anderson, younger guys like that who doesn't really know Clay. He said, man, I don't know how to read, Clay. Like, sometimes he say hi to me, and he's cool and he talks. And then sometimes he just walked past with his head down and doesn't say anything to anyone. And I'm like, well, the guy who says hi to you, you is probably more of the guy that Clay is. But what you do have to understand is that is also a guy who's dealing with the ultimate frustration, a guy who loves basketball and competing just as much as anyone that has

had that snatched away for the last two and a half years while he sit back and watch you and I play the game that he loves so dearly. And so I understand it. I don't think there's any ill will to it. I know there's no any ill will to it because that's just not who Clay Thompson is. but just having to explain that to the guys, and now they're really starting to see Clay and the energy that he brings to the facility,

the energy that he brings to the organization and to this team, because he's just been flying through that facility over the last week or a week or so. And so, yeah, man, I'm hoping it's January 9th versus the cast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. call it grotesque, others say it's unleashing human potential. Either

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so I'm starting to see there's a through line We also have AIDS on the table right now So Thank you finishing that sentence I don't think there's a more important year for black people Really?

Yeah for me it's one of the most important years for black people in American history Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast It's long overdue, and like I said, he deserves it. And so, you know, this is going to be, it's going to be monumental.

Like, the basketball world is waiting for Clay Thompson's return. It's not just the Warriors fans. It's not just people in California or NBA fans. The basketball world is a way that Clay Thompson's return, and we're all anxious. We're excited. I can't wait. obviously for me, that's just furthering me deeper into pastor's paradise. So what more can I say?

I'm thrilled about it. I'm looking forward to my brother's return, and I don't think we're far away. So stay tuned. Clay Thompson's return. It's on the brink. He's coming up, and y'all better watch out.

This is gone to get interested, and it's going to get really fun. Maybe fun for you, maybe not. Depends on where you stand. But I definitely think it'll be really fun for us. So that's what we got, man. And, you know, without further ado, I would like to welcome, as I said before,

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Man, welcome me to his city, allowed me to come out here and be at home, you know, and do great things in this city, in the town, I should say, in the town. You know, born and raised, Oakland, California, Skyline High School, Oregon State, number two. two pick. And as I said before, Hall of Fame of the Glove, man, I am honored to welcome Gary Payton, Sear. That is. Gary Payton, Senior, GP, what's happening?

What's going on, my young fellow, man? What's happening with you? Man, nothing much. It's been a rough go at it. Not only for the NBA, but I see a lot of people that I know starting to test positive, man. So just trying to get through that. How you feeling? I'm feeling good. You know what I'm saying? I'm just staying away from all that.

You know I was coming to company out games And then I stopped coming, man. I said, and I'm around these kids too, you know, because I, you know, I coach Lincoln University out here. And I'm around these kids, man. So tomorrow is going to be tough. Our first day coming back from Christmas break. And they're going to be, they're going to be tomorrow.

I'm going to get them all tested tomorrow to make sure that we be good. So, you know, I'm just trying to stay away from that, too. You know what I'm saying? It's just unfortunately that you got caught up in that and stuff that because you don't know who comes around you, you know, of some crazy stuff like at the game, you know what I'm saying? You don't know what? Absolutely.

So, you know, what happened, but I know you'll get through it and you'll fight through what you'll be fine. Absolutely. Speaking of you coaching, you're coaching at Lincoln University, how is that going for you? I know, you're just now getting into it and coming in to change a program around. How is that going?

Dre, you know what? The good thing about this program is, it is what you're saying to change it. It's a starter program. Coming out of COVID, you know you don't have a chance to go and recruit. You don't have nothing to do like that. You got to see kids off of videos.

And I'm just going to be honest. This is a different era for me. You know, the kids are different. You know what I'm saying? It's a different era, man, because these kids don't want to work. They think that you've got to give it to them. And basically, this is not AAU.

I'm a different coach. I'm going to scream. I'm going to get into your chest. I'm going to do that. That's just the way I am. And I got to have kids that can deal with that. And I got to recruit kids. And then you got to worry about sometimes kids who you've got to be sometimes, don't go at them that way. You got to know how to talk to some of these kids.

But some of these kids got to understand. I'm not going to beg you. If you come and what you got to do on the floor, I'll let you do whatever you want to do. But you're not going to come in here and have acid. and then think that I'm going to just say, okay, cool. You know what I'm saying? So it's been a progress, but I think I'm getting through it.

I got a great staff with me. And I think we're playing okay for a team that we have. That's great. I know we had spoke about me coming over there one of these days, obviously getting through this, but like I said before, just let me know when. You know, I love to come through and holl out the guys. And I was going to talk to you about that.

They don't have a privilege to meet me guys like you right now. I think that they need to work. You know what I'm saying? You are privileged to come and talk to them, and they don't get that. And, you know, but before the year is over, I want you to, because I got two guys here that I think

that will really benefit from talking to you about how your journey was to get to the NBA, how hardy or how hardy were tough it was for you to work coming up for what you did. Like what you said this minute ago, I had much worse where I stayed at. Absolutely. It doesn't get that, man.

They don't get that to come. and become who you have became. Because you went to the most worse things, to see more worse things, but you built yourself up to be the person who you are now. Absolutely. No, I definitely appreciate it. Speaking of that, you know, just kicking this thing off,

I'd be remiss if we don't talk about the young glove, young GP the second. You know, I know everyone's asking you questions about him on the floor, and obviously we can talk about that. But as a father myself of Draymond Green Jr., obviously I have two daughters, but you're a father of a daughter as well. It's different raising girls than it is boys. And for me, I try, you know, what I struggle with daily is what's too much and what's not enough.

You know, like, what's giving him too much and what's not giving him enough? Because the reality is we grow up and, you know, you growing up in Oakland, me growing up in Saginaw, we grow up. And I know for me, my goal always has been, I don't want my kids to live the same life that I lived growing up. But in saying that, I am who I am because of the life that I lived and trying to figure out that balance and like, yeah, you're not going to live the life I live. And like, I can give you more.

but like I still want to teach you how to get it on your own and like what's hard work and what's determination and how you push through that. Can you give me some insight on that? Because that's what I want to know because that is my daily struggle in life. And like I said, especially in raising my son more so than my daughters.

That's a great question, a great act of advice. You do know that our daughters are going to be fathered guys. They're going to be fathered. guys. That's just the way it goes. Our son is going to be rebellious against us, and I'm telling you right now, your son is going to be rebellious against you because

he's named after you. And once he goes to school, people are going to be like, oh, you're not your dad. You can't be like your dad, and they're going to tease him. And he's going to get a lot of, he's going to get mad about that. But because who you are and who I was growing up, and we

had the life that we did, we didn't want to give our kids the same lifestyle. Correct. That's very correct. But I say this, don't give him too much. Make him work for stuff. Give him chores. Give him things to do. Make him go and be with his sisters and pick him up or do something like that. Make him have a responsibility. With Gary, Gary DeSeckel, he was with me all the time. He learned how to play basketball. He learned how to do the things he was around me. And I I compliment you from doing that with Christmas with your son, having son on the bench.

You're giving him an experience of what he can become and get. And that's what you want him to do. But don't give him as much. Don't feed him. Don't keep feeding him. Make him work for stuff that he needs to work for. With my son, I think Gary the second is a good example. He didn't get drafted.

He didn't do like the way I was. He came behind me at Oregon State. He did a great job at Oregon State for two years. But then when he got in the NBA, it struggled for six years, and now he has found a home with you guys at the Warriors because it's a program or organization that fits him. And the coach, staff, and the players around him fit him. And that's what his struggle was, Bill, Bill,

running around G-leagues and doing that type of stuff and learning how hard it is to struggle. And I'm glad that he struggled because now he knows how to get through it. And I appreciate the work he did because every summer he had to work, didn't know what team he's going to be off, didn't know if he was going to sign with nobody.

Now he's in that position where he can get away from that because he's found that struggle and he found the way how to work. And I'm glad he worked. But I stay out of his life, though, Dremont, which people don't understand. You see, I don't be around all the time. I let him beat Gary.

not Gary Payton because it's only going to be one to Draymond Green, it's only going to be one Gary Payton. They're just named after us. You know what I'm saying? So I tell my son, don't try to be like me because you can't. You be next to me. Be on the wall next to me and we'll be together. You know what I'm saying?

Absolutely. It's always that way to just teach them that way. I think just teach a son that way, let them do what they got to do. And if he calls or if he asks for some assistance, yes, I'm going to give him assistance. I'm going to tell him what's on my mind and what's on my heart. I'm not going to sugar-cote it with it.

If it's not right, I'm not telling you it's right. If it's wrong, I'm telling you was wrong. And it's point-blank. You don't have to like it, but as you know, I went through this before you did. And remember that. And I'm always going to tell you, I went through the ups and downs too,

and that's just the way it goes. Absolutely. No, I appreciate that, man. It's like I said, that is. Like I go through that day. And for me, I try to talk to guys who, and just not only former athletes, but really and specifically, African-American men who are successful and I look at their kids and they're doing great things. And by the way, it's funny because I was just having a conversation in a group chat with my boys.

Great things don't mean money. Like, great things don't mean money. They're making a ton of money. It's how they carry themselves. You know what I'm saying? Like, GP, young GP, you know, GP ain't made a ton of money thus far in his career, but the way he carries himself, the way he goes about his business, you can just tell he's raised right.

And so many times you see younger children of wealthy individuals or rich individuals, as we say, and they're a wreck. You know, and they don't know who they are. And quite frankly, we all go through that, right? When we're trying to figure out who we are. You know, but sometimes you see it at a totally different level and kind of struggling with identity. And, you know, anybody can go through that.

You can be raised the exact same way that GP2 was raised and go through that. But it says something about the fathers. And so that's something that I definitely wanted to dive into. You know, but, you know, speaking, like I said, number two pick of the Seattle Supersonics, you know, I've done my research but also watched you growing up. You struggled your first couple years. You figured it out.

You become the glove and you go on to make nine straight all NBA teams. What was that key to you figuring it out and then going on to how the career, the Hall of Fame career that you had? Draymond, you know what, when I came out, I was very arrogant, I was very brash, I thought I knew everything. That was it, didn't have no word ethics like that. And what happened was, I struggled for two years. But I didn't have the coach that can help me get out of that. I had Casey Jones, who was a coach who came from a boxer's toughies who had just won championships.

Absolutely. He had Larry Bird, Danny Hayes, Robert Parris, Kevin McKell. You just throw the ball out to them dudes, man. and they're going to get it. You know, I'm a young dude coming in at 21 years old. I don't know what's happening, you know? Absolutely. I'm trying to get it.

And I struggled. And I was with Sean Kemp, and we were struggling, and then Seattle started talking about trade lists. And then next you know, the ownership came in and said, let's talk you two together. What is the problem? And I just said, I just don't have no guidance. You know, I don't have guidance.

I don't have no work ethics. I don't want to be here. The coach and staff. doesn't support me the way it is, so we changed. Then when we changed, you know, we went to George Carl, and then George Carl brought in my savior, and like a second father to me who is called, who's named Kim Gergeridge.

And when Tim Gerger took me under his wing and made me go to the Summer League. We played in Utah. We played in L.A. We played all of them things. And I was in my third year going into Summer League, and that's what I needed. And I needed a work ethic to do different stuff, and I got it.

And he put in the post-up game to me. He put in me a pressure in the ball 94 feet. He put in all that stuff in my game, and it changed my game. And then the following year, we went to the Western Conference Finals, lost to Phoenix. I made the All-Star team. And then I started making them every year after that, you know, and I went nine straight years after that.

So it was like, you know, I just needed a change in a guidance. and I needed somebody who can push me. And I just had to stop being hard hitting. And I stopped being hard hit and I start working out. Because some of these kids nowadays, they just think that their talent is going to give it to them. It's not going to happen because there's more people better than you in the NBA now. So you've got to get better because they're going to take it from it.

And I just start working on my game every summer, every chance I had to, and I got better, drag. That's beautiful. And so you go from there, you make nine straight. I have a question for you, though. You won one defensive player a year, and the reality is,

with a name like the glove, it's impossible that you only want one defensive player of the year. But, you know, and I know when you did win defensive player a year, you were one, I think you were the first guard to win defensive player to year, maybe like eight years or something like that.

Guards don't really get that love. More often than not, it's usually rim-protecting big man, that get that nod. And yet, like I said, with a name like the glove, you win one defense player a year. That has to be impossible or else you don't get the name the glove.

You clamping people to get the name the glove. By the way, funny story real quick, the glove shooter came out, the zip up. My brother got those. He was in the fifth grade. I was in third grade. I got in trouble at school and I got some terrible Nikes, man.

I couldn't get, my punishment was that I couldn't get the gloves. So I ended up getting them like my rookie year or my second year in the league when they came back out and I actually played a game. And that was a big moment for me in my life because I remember back the third grade when that shoe came out, the hottest shoe out, I couldn't get the shoe because I got in trouble at school.

I had some terrible Nikes. My brother, who was like an A student, got the gloves. He wore them in the championship game. Our elementary school won the championship. He won them things in the glove, man. so I had to share that with you. I appreciate you. Absolutely.

But, you know, and speaking of a defensive player year, what do you make of it that a guy like yourself? I feel the same way. I'm in my 10th year, and I think I should have maybe three or four wars, but nonetheless I have one. And I do understand that. What do you make of that? Well, Dremont, you know what I look at it is this. At a point guard position, and I'm the only point guard to ever win it.

So it's a difference. As a point guard, you have to change the game. I think me and you are in the same boat because we have to do more to win this reward because of the simple fact is because of our position and to what we do. We change the game because we change everything around the game because we can pressure the ball. We can guard this guy. We don't get left people front us.

We get our hands on balls. We do diving stuff. We make hustle plays. As what the NBA is going through right now, if a big man and he goes to the rim, they're saying he's a rim protector because he's stopping points going to happen. We have to do everything. You know what I'm saying?

To even get a knowledge of that and people have to pump it up. So that's why more big men win it because they're saying like, okay, people get beat. Now, if they beat Draymond or Gary, then the center is protecting him, and he's blocking shots, and then he's starting fast breaks. I don't believe in that. I believe in if a person comes on a scoutry report and say, if Draymond guards, if Draymond draws Chris Ball all the way up the floor,

Chris get a ball to what's calling him, and he has to start the offense. I think you've done what you've done, because they're now trying to say, man, we're keeping a ball from Draymond. Now, if Draymond over here, swing it all the way over to the other side because we don't want him in the office to play. I think you are become a weapon. And that's what it was happening with me and with you when we want it.

We changed the game of way the people were working. If we get the main person off the ball that don't handle it and get into offense, then I think we've done what we're supposed to do. And it's just, it's, it's, it's, It is what it is, Raymond. I get it. I think you should have won a lot more, too.

But they don't go by that. They go by the guy who blocks a lot of shots, who alters the shots and stuff like that. We don't go by the steals and stuff like that. And I think they should think about changing that and look at the all-around game. Look at all the stats. What has Draymond done to change the game of defense on other teams?

Did he disrupt this? Did he do that? Yes. and then we'll start getting into it. And I think that's what it should be. No doubt. And switching tunes just a little bit. You won two gold medals.

Right. I'm starting to realize, man, our stats lining up a little, our accomplishments lining up a little bit now. I ain't got nine all NBA teams, though, champ. You win two gold medals. but one in specific I want to ask about is 96. And the reason I want to ask about 96

is because that's right after the Dream Team, which, in my opinion, is the greatest USA team, the greatest team ever. Let's bar none. But for sure, I mean, ever, but the greatest USA team I think that's ever been assembled was the Dream Team. And you come after that in 96.

What type of pressure was that after coming off of them just now allowing NBA players back in the Olympics? You get the dream team in Barcelona. We know how that story went. You got all the guys who you end up competing against for all your years. But what type of pressure was that on y'all coming back in 96 after the dream team had went over there and been so dominant? Well, Dre, the only pressure put it on us is that we had to beat teams the way they got. They beat them. We knew where we were going to beat teams.

We knew we were going to blow them out. But they were always comparing us, are they going to beat them by 40 like they did? Or they're an average jest. Is they going to do that? We wouldn't have no doubt in our mind that we were going to win a gold medal. We just said, we're going to be on our home court.

We're going to be in Atlanta. We had to do the dominance of what they had done. I wasn't worried about that because we had six of the players that already was on the dream team came to us and we only added six new ones, including myself. So we were having more fun.

To be honest, Raymond, the most competition we had was in practice when we played each other. When we played each other, that was the win we had all the competition. But when we got on the floor,

we dominated the game. And we started averaging winning by 3542. So it was no, you know, no question that we were going to win it. We just wanted to be just like Dream Team 1. We had to be, we couldn't be winning by 15, couldn't be winning by 20. We had to win by 30 or 40. And that's what we started doing.

And we were having fun at it. You know, like I said, we had six other guys that had already been on the drink team. We added six more, and we did it. You know, we swept through that stuff. And it was real fun. It was really, really fun. That's incredible. And so you won 96 in 2000.

And, you know, I'm just moving up your incredible team. timeline here then in 03. O3, a lot of people try to compare this Lakers team today, which is LeBron, A.D. Russ, Areza, Dwight Howard. Obviously, a lot of guys who have or will be Hall of Fame players. And when they assembled this team, a lot of people said, oh, man, this is like the 2003 team where they had Kobe and Shaq and they had a GP. They added Carl Malone, they added all of these guys, and they didn't win a championship.

Now, obviously, the season isn't over for them, and obviously it's not going the way that they wanted to go. But I thought it was kind of crazy when everybody decided to compare y'all to them because, number one, Kobe and Shaq were still in their prime. In their prime. Where LeBron is still a great player. Like, LeBron is still one of the, if not the best player in the NBA. you can always make that argument, arguably the greatest player of all times, you can make that argument.

But he is in year 19, or if I'm not mistaken, year 19. And so they weren't in their prime. So right there alone, I thought was different, where, you know, y'all got them two young hogs

and their prime going at it. And you were still rolling too. Like, you continued on after that as well. And I think the only, like, Malone was older at that point. But it wasn't the same. He played older. Yeah. He was very old,

and you got that right. I was just only in my 13th season. That was it. I was only in my 13th season. So I was still rolling. I had just came off the All-Star team. I had did all that. I was just averaging 23, 24 points or whatever, and went there.

And all of a sudden, what happened was that we had a lot of different stuff going on. I mean, remember Kobe had got in trouble in Denver. A shack was fuding with Dr. And then Carl got hurt. And guess what, Draymond, we still made the championship. Absolutely. Still made the championship.

I was the only one on the team that played all 82 games. I was the one who directed all the stuff, and we had players that came in and fit in. I don't think this Laker team is nothing like our team in 2003 at all. I think we had players that knew their role. I think the Lakers team right now is they hurt too. They're very hurt. Yes, they are.

You know what I'm saying? A lot of them are not playing. And I don't think Russ is playing the way that he should be playing. It's a new thing to him to go and be the man so long, and then you've got to go with AD and LeBron. And you got to give them the ball. He's so much dominant on the basketball that he's not doing the things he didn't. I think he's thinking too much.

I just went to the game. I just went to the game the other night on the 23rd and watched Jumpleg in San Antonio. and I think he thinks too much. You know what I'm saying? And they rely on LeBron so much that they're watching him. You know what I'm saying? They don't play the way

that you guys play. Like if people cut and move and do that, they're watching the basketball too much. And I just think the team is not that way. I think our guys were, Kobe was in his prime. He was a dog. You know, he can come out and get 50 anytime he wanted to.

Shack could dominate the inside. but myself as a point guard was running me. We were running a triangle, which was new to me and Carl, but Carl got hurt. And he missed 60 games. He missed 62 games. And that was bad.

It was crazy. We were 18 and 2 when he got hurt. 18 and 2. And he got hurt. So it was crazy for us. And then all of a sudden, Shaq misses 40 games. Kobe misses 37.

So, you know, that was just crazy for us. but I don't think this team that the Lakers got are nothing like us. I think we were more in our prime. A lot of us was way more in our prime than they were. And I, but I, you know, the guys on there right now, Tramma, like you said, Carmelo, Westbrook, all them do is Anthony, all them going to go to the Hall of Fame. Absolutely.

They're hurt. They're just hurt right now. And it's just a struggle. And it's hard to put a team like that together and you guys are not healthy. 100% and I you know people always ask me like who do you worry about in the west phoenix Utah like yeah you know phoenix and Utah are really good team like I think you know when you roll down to it in the end conference finals all that those two teams will possibly be right there with us uh I have no doubt in my mind about that but I always tell people like you

still got to worry about the Lakers like they still got lebron james they still got anthony days they still got russell westbrook they still got carmello anthony they still have guys that can beat you. And you can go on about your day and your life and your months up until the playoffs and think that they aren't to be dealt with. As a player, as someone who got to face those guys, someone in the same division, those guys still have to be dealt with. There's too much talent on that basketball court on that team to not have to deal with

those guys. So, I mean, you're talking probably legitimately six Hall of Famers. you got to deal with those guys. So I don't really make too much of what's going on right now and what people are saying. You still got to deal with those guys. But I do think Russell's overthinking it a little bit. And I understand it also.

Obviously, I'm not who Russell Westbrook is. I don't have a ball as much or never have in my careers Russell Westbrook does. But I do understand the sacrifices that it takes when you're playing with guys like that, that should have a ball. I understand the sacrifice to take and trying to find that balance.

For me, I completely stopped shooting. Like, totally stopped shooting because you're just trying to find that balance and get those guys the ball. So I definitely understand it a little bit, you know, where he's coming from, or what he's dealing with. Right.

I understand that. But, you know, so y'all are expected to win the finals. Shout out to the Pistons. Detroit Pistons go on and win the final. Yeah. State of Michigan, baby. You know, I respect that. They go on to win the finals, and then you eventually, you sign with the heat, and y'all go on.

Boston and then the heat. You all go to Boston. You go to Boston for a year, one season. Then you eventually, you sign with the heat. Right. And y'all go on to win a championship. And I thought one of the most interesting things about that championship was, as great as Shaq was, Dway was the guy

Dway Absolutely flag And Drey And Drey man Let me give you a story about that We were struggling Dreman

From all for the whole year We were struggling From day one We were just like the Lakers now We were struggling They were giving criticism To Pat Riley

About putting his team together But all guys who were older They all in their late You know, everybody had a time in their times in their teams or whatever. And they were prescising us. Van Gundy steps down. Pat Riley takes over. I'm the oldest one on his team now.

I'm the oldest face. So I did like this. I started seeing Shaq be mad about we're not getting him the ball. And I just told Shaq, I said, Shaq, listen here. Look what young fella did last year. You see how he took over stuff. Man, they lost in the Eastern Conference Finals. You guys lost in the Eastonfinal.

That's why Pat came and put all of us together. He wanted the championship. We're here now. We got to stop this, man. I said, man, we're going to make him be the first year. Period. You've got to do this for me. And I told Shaq, I said, do this for me.

Just let him be the first year. Let him go and do him. If we get you on the block, just get there and score. and when he agreed to it and bid in, man, D. Wade, I ain't never seen nobody perform like this ever. He had 35. And I was like, this is incredible because this young kid was giving them the blues. And he was making shots everywhere, getting to the whole Dunkin.

And he guided us all the way to that championship. And what it was is just like you guys right now, Dr. Ma, he had four guys around him. that was ready for him to do whatever. Absolutely. We were ready to do. We were ready for the, if he passes into us, he hit a shot. We were playing defense.

We told him, go in the corner, get you some rest, guard the weakest man over here, and we'll have everything else under control. And that's when we start being a team, and then we just rode through the Eastern Conference, and then all of a sudden we got in the championship. Dallas got up too old, and then we buckled down, and then we beat them four straight.

And then that's it. That was beautiful. Incredible. Congratulations. I always like to say that to any champ because people don't understand how hard it is to win a championship, man. And as someone who's had the opportunity to win a few championships, I'm starting to have an appreciation for guys that had great careers and didn't win. And the reason being is because people try to judge guys. I was like, oh, you didn't end up winning one. all that don't count. It's so hard to win a championship, man. And so many things has to go right in order for you to win a championship. And people don't really understand that. Like I said on a few weeks back, you know, people was talking about Chris Paul and say,

oh, he never won a championship. Chris Paul is a winner. And you can say whatever you want about Chris Paul. He hasn't won a championship. And that's unfortunate. And he still has an opportunity to. But he's a winner. He is a winner.

He's won. Every team that Chris Paul has been on, he's made that team a better team. I spoke about they sent him to OKC to essentially die on his deathbed. And not only did he resuscitate himself, he took that team to the playoffs. And because of what he did there, Sam Presti got him to a place in Phoenix of where he can have a type of success that they are having last year and this year. So that's a very interesting thing that I think people don't really realize is how hard it is to win that championship.

But in saying that, you go to Miami, you win a championship, I think for myself and for most people, if you're a basketball fan, Gary Payton, you're always going to associate Gary Payton with the Seattle Super Sonics. That's just why it is. And I think you may feel the same way. But you openly expressed that you had no desire

to have your jersey retired in Oklahoma City. and even more importantly, you've been very outspoken about getting Seattle a franchise back. And both of those things, if they were to get a franchise back, which I think they will, and I hope they do,

incredible city. Would you be into coaching Seattle's Super Sonics franchise or front office of that franchise? Yes, very much, Draymond. I would love to go back to, Seattle and give them fans what they what they serve they should have never lost a team in the first place just bad ownership that was happening during the time where it just went down soon as I got traded that ownership took that team to to a low a very very bad low and and then it happens

you know but but you know you got to think about I never play for Oklahoma so why would I get a fans any kind of opportunity to go in there and say ha and while my name and your Raptors were, I never played at. That's nothing that I would want to do. Seattle is what I'm about. Seattle made me. They made me for 13 seasons who I am. They made me a Hall of Fame.

You know, they made me a top 75. They made me that type of person. So I would never disrespect Seattle in no kind of way of doing that to the fans. So when it does come back, and I know it will, yes, I'm going to be a part of that organization. to keep that going and keep the people going and get our basketball back. Like you said, Drummond, that is a great city, a beautiful city.

I still got businesses out in Seattle, you know, our restaurants out there. So I'm very happy. I'm there all the time. And, you know, I'm looking to move back. I want to move back. Gallaud is the city, man. You know what I'm saying?

I might be promoted in California, but I love Seattle. You know what I'm saying? I don't care about the rain. I don't care about nothing of that. That's a beautiful city. And yes, I would be a city. go back in a heartbeat.

That's beautiful. Before we get out of here, I know I've taken a bunch of your time. I got one last question for you. And the reason I love is, you know, I really want to ask this question, I should say, is because I don't know where I am. I didn't even want to look it up because I think it would have ruined my day. But you're four of all time and technical file. Obviously, I got my fair share text myself.

Do you know who the three guys are before you, ahead of you, I should say? I think it's Rashid Wallace. He's number one. I think Dennis Rodman. Uh-huh. And it can't be you this to this quick. No, I ain't got enough years under my bed.

Yeah, you ain't enough years like that. And who else is? Call him alone. Okay, so as you call him alone, well, like you said, Rashid, then you got to call Malone. Chuck. Oh, it's Charles?

Chuck. Charles used to get a lot of text, too, man. Yeah, he did. He was always talk crazy, man. Yeah, yeah. I thought Dennis Robin because he was getting crazy at times, man. But, yeah, I believe Chuck. I believe Charles, yeah.

Because I knew he was number one. I know Carl. I know Carl had a lot of them. And then I didn't know Chuck. No, I thought Chuck was below me. But, yeah, it's cool. Yeah, it's nice. We used to get texts, man.

I'm telling you, I used to get them all the time. You know how y'all get like 14, 15 to get suspended? I was spending about four, five times, man. The whole year, man, I was getting them, man. I didn't care. I didn't care about that. Hey, I tell you what. And looking at that list, obviously, three Hall of Famer,

one who I think should be a Hall of Fame, and Rashid Wallace, who was an incredible, incredible player, incredible talent. And I hope he do get that now one day. But I'll tell you what, if me getting text means I can end up in that conversation with that group of guys. Come on, NBA. I'll take more of them texts.

I try lessening them things. But once I saw this list, I need to be up there. So that's going to help me get to a Hall of Fame. Put me right up there with those guys. I'll take it. Hey, man, look, do what you do, man. If you feel like you can do it, you know how to control it. I did the same thing, man.

I just, you know, like I would always talk to you when I see it. I just said when it's time for you to calm down, just calm down. Just go over to the referees and talk to him. And I've seen you done that in the last couple of years is where you're having a better relationship with the referees. Once you do that, they'll give you one every now and then. Who cares? Who cares about that? You know what I'm saying?

It's just that you have to learn yourself. All right, it's not the right time for me to get a tech for my team. You know what I'm saying? Let me just go ahead and go. to do this, but I'm going to get this one because I think this is crazy. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nothing wrong with that. I did that all my career.

I did it all my career, Dray. I used to go to the referee for and say, look here. I ain't having a good game, man. Give me a tech, man. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Just make it look like you just, you know, we argue. But it's like that, man.

It's your emotion. You just play from the heart like I did. You play from the heart. You can't play no other way. It is what it is. If you get in that moment, man, you get into that, people have to understand that you are a winner.

You do not want to lose and you think that the cause was bad. With some of them and mostly of them be back. You know what I'm saying? So don't worry about it, man. Keep playing your game. Don't change your ways, man.

Change do what you do. If it's going to make you get better, it's going to make you do what you got to do, do it. It doesn't matter. As long as you've been productive with it and y'all winning, don't worry about nothing else. Absolutely. man, OG, I appreciate you coming on.

I thank you for taking the time. Basketball legend, NBA legend, Hall of Famer. But more importantly to me, CityDet. I love dearly a town legend, town business GP. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you.

I feel like, any time you want me, man. You know, you can come get me, man. You know, let's do that domino thing again, man. Hey, no, let's get it. Throwing bones on them people, yes, sir. Yes, sir. I appreciate your, OG. Always love.

Wow. I hope y'all enjoyed that interview as much as I enjoyed that interview. I hope you took some things away that I was able to take away. Because, like I told you, one of my favorite questions, one of the things that I wanted to know the most, as a father of two little girls, but also, but as you saw my son, that's just something that I want to know

because it's something that I struggle with daily on always trying, just trying to figure out, like, am I too hard on him, and am I not hard enough on him? Am I giving him too much? Am I not giving him enough? Is it just right? There's no right answer.

There's no handbook that someone gives you and say, here, here, this is parenting one-on-one. It just doesn't work that way. It is trial and error as a parent. You're just going with what you think is best. Like your mom, your dad, whoever can tell you all that they want about being a parent. And ultimately, you're still going to go with what you think is best for your child. Because a part of that is also you knowing your child, right?

And you building that relationship with him and you knowing what buttons to press, what buttons not the press, you know, how something may bother him or her or how it may not. Like, that is parenting. It is no handbook that anyone gives you. People give you a little advice, and then you have to figure it out from there. And so I was extremely thankful for the way GP answered that question in particular, but just also him sharing his love for Seattle

and how he would get back into it if that city got an organization back. Speaking on his current team and the job that he's doing and trying to recruit in those struggles, I thought it was incredible. I was extremely, extremely pleased with the interview, but more so than please, honor to go to school, because that's what it was for me. It was school, taking in knowledge from one of the OGs

and seeing what can I use to apply to my own personal life, to apply to my career. I thought it was incredible. And, you know, I never, ever get tired of when I had an opportunity of talking to Gary Payton singer. It's always a treat.

And so I hope that's what y'all took away from it as well. And obviously, you know, he and I got to run. We always got a standing domino game going on. We're always looking forward to that. By the way, new show coming out, throwing bones.

And GP is one of the guests on one of the episodes. So make sure y'all are two into throwing bones that's coming out later this week, Thursday. And I think it'll be a great show. It is, you know, we're sitting there chopping it up playing dominoes. I absolutely love playing dominoes. Whoever's out there listening to think they can throw them bones holl at me because you can't.

I promise you you can't. I play like a, like, the best domino players I've ever seen are in prison or did time in prison. And I play like those guys. So, see me if you want to. But that's a wrap. Another episode of Draymond Green Show, episode 8. I'm out.

We got Dallas coming up this week. Check it out. We got the Pelicans coming up this week. Trying to close in on a 3-0 week. And I think it's well within reach and we go play our game. So until next week, much love, Draymond Green Show. I'm out. Hey, pet parents.

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Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. I mean, it was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.