The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show - LeBron vs. Isaiah Stewart, Kuzma's Sweater, and a JJ Redick Interview

Episode Date: November 25, 2021

In episode two of The Draymond Green Show, Draymond breaks down the incident between LeBron James and Isaiah Stewart, tells Kevin Durant to get a lotion sponsorship after the viral picture of his ashy ankle, interviews JJ Redick of The Old Man and the Three, and debuts a new segment ‘Tech Support.’ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Man, I am extremely excited about this episode. Obviously, as we spoke on before, this would definitely be a basketball heavy podcast, and shit got a little spicy last few days in the NBA. Where, you know,

there's no surprise that King James got in tour with a young fellow, Isaiah Stewart from Detroit. And it got a little bloody. It got a little physical, but we'll talk about that. I guess you can say it got a little physical with all the antics.

As you can see which way I'm leaning in the whole discussion by that statement, all of the antics. As a fan of the game of basketball, that shit was crazy. And as an actual player, come on. And why I say come on is because

if you watch that video, by the way, Issa Stewart is probably the strongest guy in the NBA. What is he, 19, 20 years old, reincarnation of Ben Wallace there in Detroit. So going back, obviously, LeBron's, his arm

and he bloodied Isaiah. And, I mean, as someone who's had his fair share of shit throughout the course of my career, I personally can't say LeBron did that on purpose. And here's why I say that. Did he swing his arm on purpose? Yes.

Absolutely. Was he trying to get Isaiah Stewart from hooking his arm? Absolutely. Was he trying to fucking bloody his eye? and have blood running down his face like he just got his ass kicked by Bud Crawford. I don't think so. I just personally don't think LeBron's intentions was to actually hit him in the eye, to actually make him bleed, to which then led to all of that.

And here's why. You have to be so accurate and just swinging your arm in the heat of the battle to actually connect and had this guy bloody the way he was. Now, again, I 100% think Brown was swinging his arm

to get him off him. Like, of course, that's a natural reaction. Kind of like my reaction when LeBron stepped over me. You know, like, it's a natural reaction when someone's grabbing you,

someone's over you. It's a natural thing, you know, and so I, I, 100, don't think that LeBron did that on purpose. But as I said, he definitely was getting the kid off of. All right.

Now we move forward in the little scrum. And my second thoughts were, y'all matched up man-to-man, you know, man-to-man in each other's face. And to me, it looked like LeBron and saying, hey, man, my bad didn't, you know, Didn't try to do that. And the conversation seemed to be a little under control. You know, he's pissed off. He turns around.

Braun's standing there. Brian's like, yo, my bad, blah, blah. And then this is where it got spicy. You have teammates come running in, holding the guy back, pulling him away from LeBron. and I think they may have made him feel like he should be upset because that's when he went ape shit. He went ape shit right after the teammates start coming in and grab him.

He looked as if he was just going to have a conversation with Braun in that moment and they kind of got to get it figured all out. Then everyone runs in. He turns into the fucking incredible hawk. and starts running over everybody, you know, if you were going to do all of that, then that should have just happened when y'all were face to face.

Like, you had your opportunity to do whatever it was that you were going to do, and that didn't happen. That time period is gone. Let's move forward. So, for everyone out there, for my fellow NBA guys out there, for Isaiah Stewart,

someone who's been fined about a million dollars in my career, I wouldn't waste my time if I were you and money because unless you're going to do something right in that moment that you and LeBron were face-to-face, the rest of the shit is just window dressing. And the rest of it is it leads to the internet going crazy. And most importantly what it leads to is it leads to a fucking two. game suspension, which is two game checks. And, you know, there's this, there's this common misconception of once a kid comes into the NBA that they're rich. That's bullshit. Because, number one, you have Asian fees. Most importantly, you have taxes. You have cost of living.

You have, for most of us, figuring out how money and finances actually. work. You know, and so you have all of these things. You have family. You have all of these things to where those first couple years, especially for me who's a second round pick, you just don't have a bunch of money. And to get suspended for two games, I'm not sure I'll Isselaward's salary, but I'd be willing to bet he probably won't get a check for the next week or, I mean, for the next two to four weeks. And if so, it would be significantly less. And if so, it would be significantly I do think this is the last that we'll see Isaiah Stewart getting into it with someone like the caliber of King James

or some other guys in this league because as Gilbert Arena said in his post the other day, there's just some guys you shouldn't get into it with. And Isaiah, take it from me. I got into it with LeBron James about roughly five years ago, and it didn't go so well for me. And not that Braun kicked my ass. But he did kick my ass.

Not physically, though. He did kick my ass because he came back from a 3-1 deficit to win a world championship. And that shit still stings today. So, as someone who has gotten into it with King James on the floor, Isaiah, just a little word of advice. It's not really worth the time. It's not really worth the effort.

And the energy that he spent to get through all of those people only to end up paying two game checks. We can all sit and say, how did he get suspended for two games and LeBron got suspended for one? LeBron started, blah, blah, blah. That shit doesn't matter. That is the world that we live in.

Shit is earned. And I think LeBron James personally should not have been suspended for one game because he is LeBron James. And yes, he did hit the dude in the face. He got kicked out of a game. Let's just leave it at that because I personally don't think

that's just, that's the world we live in, man. If you didn't think LeBron deserved the suspension, were you surprised then? Because I feel like a lot of people were surprised that he got suspended for a game, especially considering the game he's going to miss is a national TV game at Madison Square Garden. You know, I am not surprised

that he got suspended in Harris Y. Adam Silver, who I think is the best commissioner in sports, and it's not a discussion. Adam Silver, if I'm not mistaken, has publicly said something along the lines of the league judge's reactions on social media and everywhere else when they are deciding whether a suspension will happen

and fine will happen. Adam hasn't been shy to that and I could be mixing my channels up and that's something that I've heard just being an NBA but as a fan of this game, I'm pretty sure that's something that I've been. seen publicly. But that's, that's that. Like, they're, they're going to somewhat take into account the public's reaction. And obviously, the public reaction to this was huge. So I am not surprised

that LeBron got suspended for a game because the public's reaction was so big to it, to the incident, and it's drawn so much attention. So because of that, I'm not surprised. But I am surprised because I just don't think LeBron James should get suspended unless it's just some shit that fucking, you know, sometimes, you know, things do get out a little out of hand and then that's just that. That thing got out of hand, but from the time LeBron hitting him in the face, he was kind of like, hey, man, my bad, he stood back. He didn't continue to go. Even after Isaiah Stewart did all the running around and trying to rip through people that he did, Brian just stood back there like, look at him. What's he doing? And so, yes, I think LeBron got kicked out of the

game. And, like, there's his punishment. Like, you get kicked out of the game. You're getting fine there. Maybe you tack on an extra fine or something, whatever. But I personally didn't think he should have gotten suspended because he had his punishment. Like, he hit the guy in the face. He got kicked out of the game. And that's that. Now, it's one thing if, you know, that officiating crew said, we're going to give LeBron a flagrant one, or we're going to give LeBron a technical file, and he continues to play.

And then the league goes and review it, and they say, oh, no, that punishment, he should have been thrown out of that game. So because of that, we're giving a one-game suspension, then that's totally different. But, I mean, he got kicked out of the game. And I personally think he's just paid for his action. Like, you know, Isaiah Stewart went,

crazy after the fact and you know it created this whole commotion but the reality is like lebron didn't go crazy like so so does lebron now get in trouble because this dude start running through everybody like i i personally don't understand that and so um i didn't think uh he should have been suspended so if if i was surprised at anything i was surprised more so at the fact of Like, yes, you suspended him, but he served his punishment, and that's just that. But it's funny because I was talking to my, I was talking to my wife yesterday, and we were talking about, I'm like, damn, baby, they just spend the brine. And we're talking about the situation.

And she's like, well, can you, you're like, wouldn't it be dope if you could choose, choose which game you get suspended for? Tell me, are you asking me? I sure wouldn't have chosen game five. So, I mean, that'd be nice. And I said, well, that would be nice, but it doesn't quite work that way. It's just the next game up. And she's like, that sucks.

I said, well, what sucks is they're playing in the garden? And it's a national TV game. You know, it's the next. And she's like, yeah, that sucks. She's like, but I'm sure LeBron's feels like, I've played in the garden enough times. Like, all right. But I said, but here's what you have to take into account, baby. At the point that LeBron is at in his career, which is in year 19,

he only have so many more games in the garden. You know, like you got this one this year, which he'll now miss. So then you got year 20. Who knows what's going on at that point in the season when you play in the garden? You know, and so we've seen LeBron have monster games in the garden, and, you know, we know what that stage brings out in the best. And so just to not have that opportunity to play And you only have so many more opportunities

To actually be on that stage and play in the garden That's the part where I think I think that really sucks I think for me personally As far as the Lakers go As far as the Lakers go With making the trade for Russell Westbrook I think they let go of KCP

Kews Montrez-Hero and bringing in rust. As a competitor, you know, I can sit here and go through it, go through an analyst or give an analysis on the trade and how I felt and how I feel now and where they are as a team. But the reality is as a competitor, as someone who's in the same division as them fighting for the same goal,

as someone who's on a team who's trying to get out of the Western Conference, and get back to an NBA finals. It's not really on me to decide, like, oh, is this a good trade for them or is this not? I really don't give a damn. What I do care about is I immediately just start playing with the matchups. Like, okay, I'll be on AD. All right, so we'll have wigs on.

We'll have wigs probably on LeBron. And if we have wigs on LeBron, then who, then, you know, our next matchup, who are we putting on Russ, you know? And so, edge is immediately start going through the matchups and seeing how we stack up against that team. I personally think it's absolutely insane

that people will start to count that team out less than 20 games into the season because, number one, it takes time for shit to work. It takes time for a team to actually become a team. And so to think that a team, 18 games into the season, that's who that team will be in a month, in two months, in three months. It's absurd. And it's almost disrespectful to the process of going through it,

the process of winning the championship. Because it doesn't just happen game one or eight or 15 for anyone. You know, like you're still trying to figure it out. You're figuring matchups out. You're figuring lineups out. You know, you're figuring all of these, what sets work, what sets don't work. Are we running too many sets? Do we need to simplify the playbook?

Do we need to add more to the playbook? You still have all of those things to figure out. And so to count that team out under 20 games into the season, I think, is absurd. As I said before, I think it's disrespectful to the process of winning the championship because it doesn't happen overnight for anyone. I say that as someone, I think we're 15 and 2 or whatever our record is right now. Here, we sit here with the best record in the league

through the first three weeks or whatever it is. And you can bet your bottom dollar. We're going to hit some bumps. That's just the nature of the game we play. You play 82 games in a year. You lose two or three in a row. feels like the world's collapsing on you. You know, and so we're going to hit some bumps.

They are, you know, they're already hitting some bumps, and that's just every one season is different. You may hit your bumps in the beginning. You may hit them in the middle. You may hit them in the end. You also have some of these teams that may be bump you all all the way through the season. But the reality is, is everyone hits that bump in the road.

Everyone has to figure it out, and I don't think it's past a point of where they're going to figure it. out. We're not even 20 games in. So I don't, I don't sit back and look at them and say, yep, that team can't figure it out. They won't win. Now, that's a very dangerous team with a lot of talent that you have to continue to get better and make sure you're putting yourself in the best position to beat that team whenever it's time, because they'll be there. Speaking of another team that has a lot of talent and you can't count out that was sort of in the news a little bit online last night, did you, Dremont Green, see the picture of Kevin

underance ashy. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ, Kay. You know what? I actually saw the picture. Bam, out of bio sent me the picture and said, there's no way Kay is this ash.

He said, there's no way K is this ash. And I said, what the fuck? I sent back a bunch of crying laugh faces. And then I clicked on the link that Bam sent me. And it was fucking hilarious. I think it was the 10 clips of like the 10 clips of, uh, well, tweets, I should say.

It started with Isaiah Thomas and then it went on through. I, um, it was a great, it was a great day in, in NBA news not related to basketball, between Katie's ankle or leg or whatever it is. That, that was ridiculous. And as someone who, I mean, growing up, man, I was the kid in high school who everyone came to me for lotion. I kept lotion in my backpack, but I was always ashy. I fucking hated putting it on. But if you ever need a lotion, you come to me.

So as someone who spent the first 16 years of my life not giving a damn whether I was ashy or not, that was another level of, that wasn't even assy. That was fucking scales. And like, I mean, it looked like you could go fucking skin him like an alligator and take it to the store and sell it. Like, that's how bad. That's how bad it was. I have not talked to Kevin yet. I am looking forward to calling him today and getting his appearance.

I know he's going to say, fuck y'all. Yeah, did you see his tweet? Why y'all worry about my ankles? I already know what his response is going to be. but I'll tell you what, to my brother Rich Climman, there's a lot, a lot of lotion brands out here. I'm not sure if Kevin Durant wants to promote some lotion or endorse some lotion.

But to my brother Rich Climing, who is an incredible businessman, who's helped alongside Kevin built 35 ventures, who's doing big, shit in the media and sports media and sports media technology industry. My brother Rich, I need you to call all these lotion brands. Or being there, we are talking about KD, pick the lotion brand that y'all want to

endorse and partner with and go partner with them because that would be an incredible story if Kevin just comes out the next game, incredibly lotion with, you know, with skin looking impeccable. I love to see it. So I hope that Kay can capitalize on this because that was fucking bad. And in other news, Cooseman's sweatshirt,

I love Coos, man. That's, you know, that's the little bro from Flint, Michigan, which is right up the highway from Sacramento, Michigan. I think Coos is definitely, lost his Flint ways because I don't know anybody in Flint other than than Coos wearing that goddamn sweater.

But, hey man, if you can pull it off, which I guess he pulled it off. I don't know. Some people will say, yeah, he did pull it off. Some people will say, no, he didn't. If you could pull it off and it worked for you, go for it. But that sweater, nah, that wasn't it. I mean, some of these outfits these guys be wearing and they're like runway he shoots through the tunnel.

Be fucking pathetic. I actually like the way Koo's dress. I think Kuz puts shit together. And, I mean, I guess if your goal is to break the internet, he did that. But, yeah, the sweaters is a fucking no for me.

My mom texted me. She said, if he just wrapped it, if he just wrapped the sleeves around his body, he got himself. of a straight jacket. It's like, I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't fucking believe Kuz wear that sweater. By the way, I can't even believe someone made that sweater.

But the fact that he had the confidence to put it on, kudos to Kuz, man. But the sweater fucking sucked in my opinion. I am extremely excited to welcome this next guest to the Draymond Green show. God who I've been a fan of since, since high school, man, watching this man. run off a million screens at Duke. I'm going to read this.

I'm going to read this bio because it's so long and I wouldn't be doing him any justice if I didn't read this. A McDonald's All-American at Cave Spring High School in Roan, New Virginia, scored 43 points as a senior in the Virginia High School League, 3A state championship victory, which was a record until Matt McClellan beat by scoring 47, 2A championship. He said ACC records for most points score, most ACC tournament points score during his time at Duke, total point score, which was later beat by Tyler Hansborough, Duke's all-time leading score,

which is saying a whole bunch, considering the history of that program, as we all know, top of the top when talking men's college basketball, consensus national player of the year in 2006, which I take a little offense to this consensus, I was national player a year, but definitely wasn't consensus. Two-time Rupp Award winner, two-time ACC player of the year, and he had his

number retired at Duke at Cameron Indoor, February 4th, 2017. Went on to be drafted 11th overall by the Orlando Magic in the 2006 NBA draft, seven seasons with the Magic, four seasons with the Clippers,

two with the 76ers, two with the Pelicans, and he finished it off with the Dallas Maverick, a career 41.5% three-point shooter, 17th all time, and he made the playoffs in his first 13 seasons. I am honored to have the great, the latest media personality that we're all enjoying watching. Jay, Jay, what's up, man. Welcome to the show. Draymond, what a pleasure to be on this show, especially early on. I got the early ask. This is a big deal. I should add a couple things to my bio, and I appreciate you. espousing all of my

records and whatnot. I was also a McDonald's game MVP. I like to point that out. I like to point that out. And you forgot two very somewhat forgettable months that I spent in Milwaukee in between the magic and the clippers. In between the magic

and the clippers. I actually enjoyed Milwaukee the city just from a basketball perspective. It wasn't my best. It wasn't my best. I'd heavily respect that. Jay J.J. as someone who I view as a pioneer in this space. We're talking current athletes doing a podcast. I think you've been doing one now for what the last four or five years

throughout the rest, well, the last four or five years of your career. And that's kind of where I'm at. You know, I think I'll go another five, six years and then kind of start transitioning out. But what advice do you have for myself and other players that's trying to break into this space and stay consistent while continuing to play at a high level. It's a great question because I know that you previously tried to do a podcast and you did a few episodes and that's the first piece of advice. If you're going to do this and do it right, you have to be

consistent. Even prior to us launching Old Man in the Three last summer in August in the middle of the bubble. I had done three seasons with the ringer, and I only did about 25 or 30 episodes a year. And unless it was a big, big name, the viewership, the listenership, the ad revenue, all that stuff, it wasn't consistent. The only time it was consistent previously was when I launched the first one, which was with Yahoo. I did 40, I think 41 episodes, and it was 41 straight weeks. and I saw the audience grow. I saw the community grow. I made a little money doing that.

But it's hard as an NBA player, and we have Duncan Robinson under our umbrella, our podcast umbrella. And look, he was in the middle of a slump and was like, I need to take two weeks off. By all means, basketball is first. And I said that the very first episode back in February of 2016,

I said, look, if this ever interferes with basketball, I'm out. I'm out. Basketball is my number one priority. And I expect that it'll be the same for you. But the consistency is key. I appreciate that because for me like you said doing it the first time that I tried it you're right

like I did it one week and then I'm like my schedule don't really work this week I can't really fit it in maybe we can go next week and before you know it it's been one episode in a month

and then you know after that month we try to come back around and do it again and the consistency wasn't there but I also I mean that had to be

maybe five four or five years ago now I also wasn't in a place in my career where I truly understood the in and outs of the NBA, the in and outs of the schedule, how to really manage my time. I didn't understand any of that. And so it ended up being an absolute struggle. And I told myself, I said, I would not get back in the podcast game until I am ready to manage the schedule, until I am ready to fully commit to it.

Because in my mind, I'm like, I fuck this up once. You don't get many chances to fuck something up and still have an opportunity to do it later. So I fuck this up once. I have to get it right this time. So to that point, I really experienced this in the last 15, 16 months with Old Man the Three. Because at one point when we first launched, we were starting from zero. We had to take, we couldn't take our RSS feed. I didn't know the only IP on the previous iteration at JJ Redick podcast.

So we were starting with a subscriber base of zero, an audience of zero. So we were pumping out a ton of content originally. We were doing like two weeks an episode for the first three or four months. Once the season started, we went back to once a week. And I feel like you get into a rhythm. And generally speaking, we record on Monday or Tuesday. We pump it out Wednesday or Thursday. And you do all the prep work, which takes time.

I do all the prep work. I do all the creative, the writing, all that stuff. That takes time. And that could take anywhere from an hour to three hours, depending on the guest. And then you record the episode, which is an hour. You have your team edited. They do the breakout videos, all that stuff. And then you don't have to worry about it for four or five days.

It decreases in priority. And then Sunday night, Sunday night. You're like, all right, I got to get back on this shit. I got to figure, all right, we got this person this week. Let me start prepping. I carry my phone around me with me, obviously. If I have an idea for the guest, I pump it in my notes, and then I do all my prep work, usually day of, to be honest with you. I like having everything fresh in my mind.

The other piece of advice, and I don't really need to give you this piece of advice, but I thought of this as you were talking. One of the reasons I started this was because I wanted to control the narrative. And you've seen your guy, Katie, start his own podcast, and he's been big on controlling the narrative around him. I wanted to control my own narrative. But I also wanted to to learn how to own my own voice. And that is a skill. That is a skill. And it's not a skill that happens immediately.

I think you're at the place in your career and in your life where you've done that. Any of time I've seen you in a press conference or on an appearance with Turner, like I know who Draymond is. You're consistent with who you are. And I think the audience always responds to someone owning their voice.

I appreciate that. That's, you know, that's something that I've been big on is just one to stay myself and not do anything that kind of drags me away from that. So I definitely appreciate that. But speaking, in the lights of just speaking on basketball,

obviously you and I both know, it's funny, we were in practice today and one of the coaches came up to me. He's like, hey, man, it just dawned on me. He's like, do you realize everyone in the NBA can hit a three today? Like, literally, every guy in the lead because shooting is at such a premium

that if you watch any guys' workouts, they're shooting three-pointers. I mean, you have Dwight Howard. I watched one of Dwight Howard's workouts. It literally consisted of mostly three-point shots. And I'm not sure if I agree with that. I mean, obviously, Dwight's a Hall of Fame. So no disrespect to Dwight.

But that's the league that we're in. It's so three-point heavy. But for yourself, who is one of the greatest three-point shooters that we've seen in this league. Who do you rank in your top five three-point shooters to come through this league? Oh, that's easy. That's easy. Steph is first.

I respect that. Everybody else is way down the list to me. In no particular order. The other four, it's Clay, Kyle Corver, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller. To me, those are the guys. Because when we talk about great shooters, I don't want to disparage the previous iteration of three-point shooters in the 80s or the 90s. But those guys were not shooting the shots we take today.

Those guys were not taking the difficult shots we were taking, nor were they shooting it at the volume. So yes, a guy like Tim Legler, great shooter. He shot, I think, 55.6% one year to lead the lead. But he wasn't shooting the shots, Clay was shooting. not shooting the shots Kyle Corver. And that's not a knock on Tim. It was a different game and the game is evolved. And now we put such a premium on generating three-point looks.

It's not just about the quality of the look. It's the volume of looks. If Steph Curry and Tom Habistro always talks about this, I think Steph's up to like 15, almost 15 a game this year. Tom's always been like, Steph needs to shoot 20 a game. Because you do the math on that. those 20 shots equal about 27 points on average. On average.

Yeah. No, I think it's funny because I was talking to Bob Myers a couple weeks ago and he was telling me like, you know, Steph's three-point shots are getting up. But all of my analytical guys tell me every time I ask him, like, how many threes are stuff like that? Yeah, he said all my analytical guys, they tell me, well, he's getting up there, but we need him at 20 a game. I'm like, number one, 23-point shots a game. And that is brutal on the body, man.

Yes. Yes. He's already putting it. He's already putting in enough work to get his shot off, to get his clips off. Absolutely. And that's a lot of work on the body. But I think it is very interesting of where we see the league going. I remember going back to my, man, first two, three years, four years of the league,

everybody's like, they're a jump shooting team. You can never win that way. You can never win shooting jump shots. And within one year, we went from like taking. in the most threes to like 16th in the league because everybody's like, oh man, we need to save more threes. So it's been very interesting to see that growth in the game.

But something you just said really hit home with me and comparing the older generation to the newer generation and how the game actually worked. Because, like, you see all the numbers of Steph passing Reggie Miller and going to pass Ray Alex showing. He's done it in like half. the amount of games. And it's going to be interesting because, as you just said, and I agree,

Steph, the way he goes about things, I don't want to disrespect any other shooter as someone who's not a shooter myself. But I think Steph is, like, in a farly different category than anyone else. Just because of the difficulty of shots, he's shooting him off the dribble, he's shooting them off the catch, he's shooting him off the spot, he's shooting them now, he's shooting from 30 feet out each and every time he shoots the ball. But when you look at a guy like Trey Young, a guy like Donovan Mitchell,

these guys who's come into the league, taking threes at this rate from the very beginning of their career, they're going to pass Steph's number in 500 games. And yet I don't think that's necessarily going to tell the story of Steph being the greatest shooter alive and greatest shooter ever. But yeah, he changed the game. Like, what's your take on that? Well, I was going to bring this up when you were talking earlier just about your first few years in them saying jump shooting teams can't win.

When I look at the evolution of the three-point shot, the two teams I think of that sort of started this were the Phoenix Suns with Steve Nash and Quentin Richardson, Joe Johnson, Sean Marion, and then my Orlando Magic teams, which by accident we ended up starting Richard and Turk together because Tony Bouti heard his shoulder in training camp. So we were four out, one in with Dwight. If you look at the numbers of those teams, those teams would be at the bottom of the league right now in three-point attempts. Bottom of the league. To your point about Trey and Donovan and just really the next generation of players, I'm 15th right now in three-pointers made all time, right? In 10 years, I'll be outside the top 50 probably.

I'm being realistic on that. I mean, it's, the volume is, is, is so different. Now, the other thing I would say about Steph, to your point about him, the shots he takes, my bag generally was coming to my right shoulder, left right plant, you know this, everything was run on the left side, me coming left, right plant shooting over that shoulder, away from the defense so they couldn't bother my shot. All right. Then alpha DHOs and, and sort of step up pick and rolls, a one or two dribble pull up three. That was my bag. Kyle Corver, a lot of the same, right?

Clay, a lot of the same. Reggie, a lot of the same. Ray Allen, to a degree, had some off the dribble bounce. But at the end of his career, when he was shooting a lot of threes, a lot of the same. Steph is everywhere. The only guy that shoots it even remotely like Steph, and I'm not saying one's better than the other, that he's that far behind stuff, is Dane. game is the only guy to me that in some way emulates what Steph does from the three point line.

I agree 100%. It's interesting that you say you'll, in five to seven years, you'll be at 50. And that's interesting because it's actually going to be some guys hired than you that we wouldn't consider a shooter. Like, yeah, he can hit the three, but we wouldn't really consider him a shooter. And that's just kind of where the game is going. but you speak of your Orlando Magic team with you, Turk and Shah Lewis, Ryan Anderson end up coming along on that team

stretching the floor. Jermere Nelson, guys that could really fill it up from outside, but like you said, we'll be at the bottom today. But looking back on your career, and obviously we had some battles in your Clipper days, we're kind of right there in that space of, man, who's next up in the West, right? Like, the Clippers are next up in the West, then you had us coming about like,

we want to have something to say about that. And early in those years, we really didn't. You guys think y'all beat us in the game seven one year and y'all really had it going. But what was your favorite team to play with and that you felt like had the best chance to win the championship? Obviously, y'all went to the finals with Orlando. But I feel like some of those Clipper teams,

we all thought we'll have a legit chance that went in a championship. I would say this. When I look back at my career, the years I'm most fond of were my clipper days for a number of reasons. Number one, because we were good. Number two, because it really was the type of basketball that I like, which is you had five guys, pretty much at all times on the floor that complemented each other. It's what makes your team so great. It's what makes the Warriors team so great. The players, the pieces, they complement each other. They fit together.

And our guys, especially those first two years when we had Matt, we really fit together. There was an intelligence required to play against us. We were very smart. We had wink, wink, nods on every ATO, on every after-free throw play. We had a counter to every play. Those were, that's fun basketball to me, is just, you know, using your brain a little bit, too. Honestly, though, the team I thought was going to win was actually the year after we made the finals in Orlando. Yes.

The 2010 team. So we finished the regular season 33 and 8. We swept the first two rounds of the playoffs. We're 41 and 8 going to the conference finals. Boston had had a little bit of a rough stretch during the regular season with some injuries. So we had home court in the conference finals, and they win the first two games. And we're playing catch up the rest of the way we lose in game six. but that team to me, that was a lost opportunity.

You look back, you know, you won't have this because you won, but I'm sure you'll look back and say, oh, we maybe let that one get away. Maybe it was 16 for you or something like that, you know, that team. But I look back and especially those first two years before you guys had evolved into the 2016 team and then the 2017 team with Kevin that first year,

those first two years with the Clippers, those were golden opportunities. We were as good as anybody in basketball. 100%. I mean, we're coming up against you guys. And like I said, everybody's kind of tagging y'all as the next young guys up to go win championships with yourself and CP, D'Andre, Blake. I'm not sure which year Matt Barnes was on there, but I think that was early on. Yeah, those are the first two years Matt was on those teams. Yep. Absolutely. I mean, I think y'all definitely had just as good a chance as anyone. And I think for me, 2016, you're right. I'll always be my. myself up about that one. And not because we lost or not because I got suspended or the way it went down. Like, I don't have any regrets about any of that stuff. But the regret I do have is how

we had a golden opportunity to not only be 73 and 9, but win the NBA finals put together the absolute best year in NBA history. And we let that one fall by the wayside. So that one fucking beat me down. So Doc had this comment. I want to touch a little bit on that 2016 finals because Doc had this comment after you guys won in 15 that winning a championship requires a little bit of luck. And of course you got, look, you guys are prideful. I think Clay was probably the most outspoken about that, which he always is. I said something the other day on ESPN about you guys not having the hardest schedule. Clay reacted to that. I'm like, Clay, I'm your biggest fan, dude. Chill the fuck out.

But anyways, when you look back at that 16 series, what Doc was saying was there's certain things that have to go in your favor. You know, I look at that the Sixers series when we lost to the Raptors. And Kauai's shot. Yes. That's an unlucky bounce, of all unlucky bounces. If you look at that 16 series, you guys are up 3-1, LeBron steps over you, you react.

You can call that unlucky. you get suspended. Bo gets banged up. You could call that unlucky. LeBron and Kyrie for three straight games play out of their fucking minds. LeBron makes one of the greatest blocks defensive plays in NBA history.

So those are all things that went in their favor against you guys. And you lose by basically a buzzer beater. Right? Not a buzzer beater, but he made it with 40 seconds or whatever it was on the clock, Kyrie's step back. So there's so many things,

that are required to go in your favor. And when you start adding up a bunch of things in a seven-game series, shit happens. And you may lose. And that, that to me was what kept happening with our Clippers teams. Yeah. You know, 14, we're playing game five at OKC.

I think we're up nine or 11 with four minutes to go. We make some boat. Like Chris made three plays I've never seen them make before. You know, in a row. In 60. and he threw the ball and they didn't call the file. Yes. And then, yes.

So that, he makes that play. Then he fouls Westbrook on a three. I don't, I don't know why we're foul with Westbrook on a three. And then we have a chance. We're down one. We have a chance to win? And he turns the ball over.

I've never, have you ever seen CP turn the ball over? He doesn't make those mistakes. No, he doesn't make those mistakes. You know, then 15, we're up 3-1. We're at home. We're up 19 in the second half. Josh Smith hits three threes in the fourth quarter.

Corey Brewer hits two threes in the fourth quarter. We lose that game, okay? 16. I've talked about this before. I don't know that we would have beat you guys, but Steph hurts his knee. He's a little banged up. There's this window right before we play,

I think it's game four, right before we play game four, where we're like, oh, we got a shot. Let's win this game. Let's take care of business, go home. Play the Warriors. Within 10 minutes in the second half, Blake tears his quad tendon and CP breaks his wrist.

The following year in the first round, Blake, we're up to one against Utah. Blake tears his plate and his foot. Like, those are the type of shit. You can't overcome if you want to win a championship. So there is an element, whatever you would call it, but there is an element of luck. And certainly in our league,

you have to have a Steph Curry, you have to have a LeBron James and Kevin Durant to a Kawhi Leonard to win but you also have to have some things go in your favor in a playoff series. No, 100%. You know, Coach Isou used to always say that to us actually. It's like, when Marsh come around,

you got to be clicking on all cylinders and you always need a little bit of luck. Like you said, that's health. That's a bounce by Kawhi Leonard. That is definitely all of those things. So I actually agree. I think when, and looking back on it now, we can all look back on it and say,

we can all look back on it and say, Doc was 100% right. I think at that time for us, where it's coming like, oh, it's Doc, it's coming from the Clippers. We hate each, like, we all hate each other, right? Like, it's this NorCal versus SoCal thing that's coming together. It's the Steph, Chris Paul thing at the time,

you know, where it's like, who's Steph coming up to surpass Chris Paul? Chris Paul kind of raised stuff with the whole North Carolina ties. And so I think once you look at all of that back then, it's like, oh, Harris Doc slightness, right? Like, Harris Doc taking a shot at us. But looking back on it, no, 100% accurate. You definitely need a little bit of luck and some things to go your way.

But JJ, you have, you've had the opportunity to play with two incredible, well, probably more, but two for sure incredible. big man and Dwight Howard, who is 100% of Hall of Famer, who was actually left off that NBA 75 list, which I thought was fucking ridiculous, because if you're leaving him off that list, you're leaving him off the list because of his last five years, right? But you can't be leaving him off that list due to what he did in those first 11 years. And in the last five years, whoopty-do, he hasn't been the player that he was,

but he won a fucking championship. So he really stamped that resume, regardless of how you want to talk about it, or say, oh, well, he wasn't the star of that team or whatever. He fucking won a championship. He contributed to that championship after essentially reviving his whole career, having to revive, you know, just, I mean, really revive it. He was leaving Washington out. Buying into a role.

He had to buy into a role. That wasn't his role for his first 11 years. And that took a few seasons to get there, but he bought into it. that role. I said this on my podcast. Dude, that was the most egregious error. And I'm, there's a bunch of guys you can make an argument for. I can go down a list and I know Clay's been joking around wearing 77 practice or whatever. But like, that's not an affront to Clay or you or Tracy McGrady or Vince or anybody else. But Dwight was the guy that should have been on that list. And I always say this, narrative matters so much. And there's,

There's two things that happen in Dwight's career. You just mentioned one, which is starting sort of in Houston. There was a narrative around him as a teammate, as a leader. And then the second thing is he was the best player in 2011. Absolutely. He was second an MVP that year. Derek Rose got it. But by any advanced metric, Dwight was the best player in the league that year.

But because the Bulls had this incredible turnaround, Derek sort of came out of nowhere that year. And I'm not discrediting Derek's MVP by any means, but had Dwight won the MVP that year, you couldn't have left him off the list. Nope. Sure, couldn't have. You sure couldn't have. Couldn't have. And that is

a fact. But when you say out of the guys you play with Dwight and Joel, who I also think as an incredible young bid, not quite Hall of Famer yet because he has to continue to stamp that resume and add on to it. But,

definitely has Hall of Fame potential, has the game. But with those guys, two totally different bigs, though. Like, Dwight's catching lives. And at that time in Orlando, like, you would dump the ball into the post to Dwight and, you know, he jumped hooks. But not as heavy as Joel. Like, I mean, the whole entire offense is ran around Joel in Philly. But what were your, like, your experience to playing with those two guys?

two, I think, different experiences, but a little similar. I think the similarity between the two is that in different ways, by the way, but the similarity is they could anchor a top five defense. When they were on the floor, you know, Dwight and his prime and certainly Joelle now, he can anchor a top five defense. You could put four smart players around them and you can have a top five defense. Offensively, very different. And even though we did throw the ball to Dwight a lot, a lot of his strength was based on his, the way he moved, his quickness, his explosiveness.

That's not really Joelle's game. Joel can certainly, is certainly nimble. I would describe him as agile and nimble. But Joel's skill at his size, I mean, you could probably name two or three guys in NBA history at his size that can do the things he does. And so it was, it was a very different. experience playing with both. But it was, it was a very rewarding experience because, you know, as you know, playing against me, like I thrived when I had a five to play two-man with. And, you know, I started running maybe my fourth year, yeah, my fourth year, I started running that

elbow action on the left side with Dwight. You know, where I'm going to get a DHO. If the big steps up, I'm throwing the pocket pass. If the big lays back, I got to pull up, Jay, going to my right hand. And I had that with Joelle. We evolved it with Joel. I'm not saying I was the first to do this, but that inverted screen and roll. Yes. So, you know, when everybody started top locking me, you're not coming off to your right hand,

well, my guy's got his back turn. Dwight's guy can't see me or Joel's guy can't see me. And I would just gently walk my guy into Joel's defender. and he's so smart. He had like this innate sense because, you know, his backs turned to me. He had this innate sense when he turned of when I was being top block and he'd come off and get a dunk. I also ran that a little bit with Ben, but obviously that's more of a one-two inverted action, which a lot of teams run.

But that inverted big pick and roll was sort of the evolution. And truthfully, Dwight probably couldn't have done that. He didn't have the ball skills and the dribbling skills to really pull that off. But those are, I go down the list of the best players I've played with, and Dwight and Joel are at or near the top of the list. No, that's, that's beautiful. And for all our listeners out there, we are headed into Thanksgiving in a couple of days.

JJ has a house full coming tomorrow, so we have to let JJ go. I can sit here and talk basketball with you all day as an incredible basketball mind that you are. but also as the incredible radio TV personality that you have become, I think is beautiful. You are extremely intellectual. You know the game in and out and your resume obviously speaks for itself.

So I'll let you out of here on this one. Do guys fear LeBron more on the court, or are they fearing going up against you on TV? Because you're obviously fucking trending for killing you. people, man. I mean, what's more to fear, JJ? Well, I think this takes the conversation full circle, actually. And that's just, that's owning your voice, owning your truth. And absolutely. You know, my truth is based upon two things. My experience. So obviously, my truth is very personal, but it's also based on observation. And there are objective facts that you cannot deny.

There are objective facts that you cannot tonight. So I try to sort of fit in those facts where I can. I'm not trying to go after anybody. But if I disagree with something, I'll let it be known. I'll let it be known. But Dre, Dre, before I get off, a lot of people, by the way, I know you got a lot of basketball left off to you, but a lot of people have said to me,

you and Dreymond need to do the version of the Manning Brothers Monday night football when Draymond's retired. So just keep that in mind in five years or six years, whatever you're done, all right? I'll definitely keep that in mind, man. I know today you going at Stephen A, who I love, man, my brother. Yeah, I said this on my – so I recorded the intro to our podcast for this week, and we touched on a little – Tommy brought it up. And I said this, man, like Stephen A, I think is one of, if not the most talented person on television,

sports, politics, entertainment. He has a real talent. It has been so entertaining for me and truthfully, like, enjoyable to sit across the table from him. I've known Stephen for a long time. We all have. You have a conversation with him off air.

As soon as we hear that 10 second mark, he goes into character. And it's a tornado. And it is so beautiful to watch. And it's, it's just, it's very rewarding to be on screen with him and to be able to chat hoops with him. No, that's, that's beautiful. I, I think I've had a similar experience in working with Chuck. Like Chuck, yes, Chuck fucking sits there and text.

He sits there and talk shit. Like, I mean, it's, it's, you know, the game's going on. You're kind of sitting in the back. I'm sitting there watching, taking notes, uh, jotting stuff down to my phone, sending stuff to the producer, getting ready for my segment. Chuck's over here fucking watching a dating show. And I'm like, this fucking guy sitting here watching a dating show. And meanwhile, he's going to go out here. We're going to talk basketball.

And he knows everything that's going on. It's like this uncanny ability that they have and extremely honored to work alongside a guy like that as you working alongside Stephen A. But as far as that, and I let you out of here, as far as that many brother, Eli and Payton, obviously I did that a few days or last week. And, I mean, it was incredible. Number one, I'm fucking sitting on TV talking to Peyton and Eli Manney. Like, are you fucking kidding me? That in itself was incredible for me. But I watched a game last night.

I watched, fuck, who was playing? Whoever was playing last night? I watched that game. I watched the Payton and Eli cast. I didn't even watch the normal broadcast. That's so entertaining. And I think you're on to something. JJ, I would love to sit there, talk sports with you, talk that actual game with you, but also

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I definitely deserve this one. And I got my money's work. This one, on the other hand, I didn't quite deserve this one, and this one should probably be rescinded. I've actually had these conversations with the league office before of my entire list of texts like, yep, this one, this is exactly what happened, I 100%. And the thing about it, I'm always going to be 100% honest.

I take pride in my text, and I actually enjoy getting them when I'm trying to get them. and then I also am honest when I didn't quite deserve that tech. But this is tech support and in honor of Russ not knowing that he got a tech. First off, Russ, you fucking squared up with the guy or whoever he was squaring up with. How in the hell did Russ not know he got a tech? Like that's, I mean, I guess it was a lot going on. But in honor of Russ not knowing he got a tech, we will kick off the tech support. segment of the Draymond Green Show.

And I think it'll get a little interesting and a little spicy depending on some of these Texas as we embark on this new journey of tech support. Okay, Dre, for this one, this took place January 21st, 2021. So last season, it comes after you were bringing the ball up, trying to get the ball to James Wiseman in the post, a bit of a turnover. Whose fault is it? Yours or his? And you come back down the court when you guys are backing up on defense.

You're yelling at him. It seems like you're yelling at Wiseman. And then all of a sudden, you're teed up. Walk us through this play. There we are, as you can see. It's 60 to 55 second quarter with a minute and 10 seconds to go. And here I am trying to make a post feed to James Wiseman, that if you hold your man off, he's sitting on the top side.

If you hold him off, he goes for that still. You guys dunk. And you're more than capable of holding him off. so I'm telling him as a running back down the court, hold your position. And he says something back. I can't really recall what he's saying back. But then as he says something back,

I then yell something back to him. And as you can see right here, I'm coming back, we're retreating back on defense. And the official at the top of the screen blows his whistle and give me a tech. And, man, I mean, I was baffled. Number one, you're trailing the play.

There's no way you can hear, I'm the first person not on the court, I turn the ball over. There's no way you can really make out what I'm truly saying, which is why you got it completely wrong because it's too far away from you. It definitely, it clearly wasn't enough to get a tech as we know. But I was pretty frustrated by this one because, you know, we're playing a New York Knicks team who's having a pretty good year. And, you know, it's an important game for us. And yet I get thrown out of the game right before halftime, inadvertently. It's pretty frustrating because for me personally,

I am going to get my fair share attacks. I am going to, at times, give you reasons to give me a tech or two. And so in this situation, I just like to earn the tech. I like to earn the ejection. And like I said, you know, to the league's credit and in their defense, they reached out immediately, said it was a mistake. They were rescinding the fine. They were rescinding the attack.

And so no harm there, no harm, no foul there. But to get kicked out of the game, missed the rest of that game, which can alter an entire season, I thought there should have been something there where they could say, yep, that was 100% an innerverton whistle, a mistake, and I can stay in the game. But, and yet, you know, that rule hasn't been changed, so whatever.

Do you remember the outcome of that game? I do not remember the outcome of the game. At the time of the technical foul, you guys were down by five, lost the game, 119, 104. Which is crazy. By the way, I can make up 15 points and a half.

Not that I'm a score to 15 points, but I can definitely make up those 15 points. So that was, pretty frustrating. Meanwhile, maybe if we don't lose that game, we're not in the playing game, then we make the playoffs or whatever. You never know. Ain't saying. Just saying. You know, it's a little frustrating. As we continue on through the tech support journey, wrapping up the tech support, I will be giving you a rating on a scale of one to 10 of the

bullshit meter on whether I actually deserve the tech or not. And in honor of kicking this second, segment off in honor of the league admitting that it was a mistake and me getting my money back and getting that individual tech rescinded. This has to be a 10 on the bullshit odometer. It's 100% of 10. By the way, there will be ones that if this is a 10, there will be ones that's probably tilting towards the negative side of the scale. because I went extremely over the top to get it.

And that's okay. But in honor of tech support, this is 100% of 10 on the bullshit odometer of techs because we all know I didn't deserve this one. There's been a bunch of chatter about breakout seasons, about guys who've taken into another level. I actually have the honor of playing with a guy who I think is having a breakout season.

most improved player worthy season and is a huge part to our success that we're having my rook Jordan Poole who I as I said I think is definitely the most improved player in this league with the strides that he's made from his rookie year to now is incredible and you know I think it's I find it funny

Jordan, number one Jordan Poole is one of the hardest working guys that I've played with. The kid lives in the gym, always working on this game. Since the time that he came here to Golden State, he's been a worker and works his ass off. So it's no surprise to me that he's having the success that he's having because when you work the way he worked, you're going to have success. I mean, that's just, you know, that's what it boils down to. And so you got to put the work in.

I am thrilled at the success that he's having. And I must say, you know, I can talk about the hard work. I can try to pinpoint one specific game where I'm like, that guy, he has it. Well, you've always known he can score the ball. You've always known he can shoot the ball and he had that. But one thing that Jordan did that showed me, he's going to be all right in this league,

actually happened in training camp of his rookie year. We're in camp, and he's talking shit to everybody. And me personally, that's what I do. I talk shit, so I don't mind. Like, talk as much shit as you want. At some point, I'm probably say something to hurt your fillers and stop you from talking shit. But by all means, say whatever the hell you want to say.

Well, other guys in the league, guys don't really take too well to young guys talking shit. And I can recall, you know, my rookie year, I came into the league talking shit to everyone. And guys hated me. I mean, KD. Russ, like that Thunder team was they really hated young guys

coming here and talking shit. And I used to talk crazy to everybody. Just whatever. That's just how I grew up. Jordan came in the camp talking shit to everybody and I remember one day him and Glenn Robinson the 3rd who also went to that other school down the way.

They got into it. And like all the guys are coming to me. This is what? 2019 where 20, 19-20 season. and all these guys are coming to me like tell him to shut up his young ass always got something to say da-da-da-da-da-da and they're asking me to tell him to shut up I'm like I'm not going to tell him to shut up if you can't handle them talking shit that's on you y'all shut him up at that moment though the way he was getting under guy's skin I appreciated that and you know you couple that with the

hard work that he puts in an amount of skill that he has and it is a recipe for a guy who's going to be successful in this league. And so more so than any basketball moment for me, knowing that Jordan kind of had it inside of him or what it takes, it was more so that moment of him getting under every one skin and all the guys pissed off because he's a young guy. Because he's a young guy talking shit to them. And, you know, if he's not playing well,

then you just tell him, shut up, figure it out. like you're not doing shit, whatever, blah, blah, blah. But he was playing well and letting him hear about it. And so for me, that was the moment where I'm like, oh, like, he, I like him. Like, he got some shit to him. And I think in order to be great, you have to have some shit to you. And so I am extremely thrilled to see his growth since coming into this league. It's incredible.

I look forward to him hosting that most improved player trophy at the end of this season. because he's having that type of year. And as I said before, you put the work in, you get the results. And he puts the work in, which means he'll continue to get better as this season go along. And he'll hoist that trophy at the end of the year. And that is a wrap on this episode of the Dremont Green Show. A second episode, we'll continue to go. We'll continue to get better.

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