The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show - NBA Trade Deadline Reaction + a Darius Garland Interview

Episode Date: February 10, 2022

To start episode 12 of ‘The Draymond Green Show’ Draymond discusses Dejounte Murray and LaMelo Ball being named All-Star injury replacements for himself and Kevin Durant. Then he breaks down the Tyrese Haliburton/Domantas Sabonis trade, CJ McCollum to the Pelicans trade, Caris LeVert to the Cavaliers trade, and more about the NBA trade deadline. Then Darius Garland joins the show to discuss his injury-shortened season at Vanderbilt, his mindset playing alongside Collin Sexton, why the Cavaliers have been able to surprise people this season, how the Caris LeVert trade can help the team), mentorship from Rajon Rondo, and much more.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's up, everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show. Today is our 12th episode, and we have a first-time All-Star today. The leader of one of the biggest surprises in the NBA this year, also a fellow clutch sports client, who's taking a huge leap this year. I've started to build a relationship with this guy

probably about four years ago. And it is exciting to see him just really coming into his own. You knew the talent was there. You knew the shot was there. You knew the ball handling was there. I think I'm actually on record saying this. And if not, I will go on record saying this. Everyone always asks me, who's the toughest player for you to guard in the league?

And over the last couple years, that's changed for me. And the reason that has changed is because our guest today has changed that for me. And that is Darius Garland, who is, I mean, he's just so quick and shifting. And like, obviously, you know, he can shoot the lights out of the ball. So, you know, he'll hit you with one of these. And you let up and boom, he's gone. So, you know, he got a lot of irky jerky to him. So definitely one of the toughest guys I've had to guard.

And as you know, we like to go around the association. And so it's very fitting that DG will be on the show today because obviously going around the association today. We're going to talk some all-star replacements, but most importantly, we are going to talk NBA trade deadline. Obviously, it's fast and approaching later this week, but the moves has already started happening. And so I want to get into those a little bit,

kind of share my thoughts on a couple trades. And I would love to hear back from y'all through social media, Twitter, Instagram, whatever you decide. I would love to hear your thoughts on the trades because I have some thoughts as well. But first, I want to congratulate Dejante Murray becoming a first-time all-star and Lamello Ball as well for becoming a first-time all-star. DeJante is replacing me for the Western Conference All-Stars. Lamello is replacing Kevin Durant for the Eastern Conference All-Stars. And I can remember back to my first time getting that All-Star course.

call. And, I mean, it's incredible. Like, you know, you grow up your entire life watching the All-Star game and like, man, I want to be an all-star one day. And the reality is it's such a far-fetched goal. Even once you get to the NBA, especially for me as a second round pick, I had no clue of how I was going to get on the floor, let alone become an All-Star. So get in that nod for the first time. I think it is extremely incredible. And in this instance, a Dejante Murray who a lot of teams didn't draft because they didn't drive Dejante Murray because they said he was homeschooled. They didn't draft him because they said he had character issues and background issues and, you know, his family's doing this and his family doing that. And the reality is Dejante is one of the

better guys in our league as far as just as far as a person just being a person a human being goes and yet he was judged off his circumstances and what do i mean by just off his circumstances you can't decide the family that you're born into you can't decide the city that you grow up in you can't decide what what happened in your family before you or even when as a child growing up that's not your decision and yet you're talking a kid who was who said in the green room until the 29th pick, if I'm not mistaken, due to his circumstances. And he was drafted lower because of his circumstances.

And, you know, quite frankly, that was a mistake. So stop judging people and especially basketball players, but just people in general off their circumstances. Because sometimes you just can't control that. And Dejante Murray is a prime example of that. And to see him put the work in, and to, you know, I watch DeJante often. He stays in San Antonio in the summer and work, work, work,

and it shows in his game. He's gotten better every year. So to see him get that all-star now, it was beautiful because he deserves it. And he's done it the right way. Hard work, never quitting, had an ACL injury, his second year, continued to work. When San Antonio assigned him to his contract, a lot of people said they were dumb, that they were crazy.

And yet now he's probably one of the biggest bar. Harking contracts in the NBA. But I thought, you know, when he signed that contract, San Antonio did take a leap of faith, you know, embedding on him before he had really amounted to anything. And I think, you know, Dejante and Rich did a great job of taking a deal that at that time, you were uncertain. So if you can get, I think he signed a $40 million contract. If you can get $40 million in your pocket, especially for a young kid like Dejante,

I think he was 22 years old when he signed that deal. You do that. And so I think that was great on all ends and it's paid off. We had a trade hop off today, Tyrese Halliburton and Sabonis trade between the Kings and the Pacers. I was shocked by this one. And the reason I was shocked is I just could not foresee the Sacramento Kings trade in Halliburton. I also had heard rumors, and I think we all had heard rumors of Deerrin Fox possibly going to Indiana. And so if I'm evaluating this trade and knowing that the rumors were Fox for Sabonis,

and now it's Tyrese Halliburton for Sabonis, I would have to say that the Pacers won that trade. Because if the Kings were going into it thinking that they were going to trade Deeran Fox, and again, I hear the rumors just like y'all hear the rumors, I don't know what the hell goes on inside the King's organization. Just like, you don't know what goes on. The only thing you know is what you read. The only thing I know is what I read. And what I was reading was it'll be Deerrin Fox. I had heard things before about how much the Kings love Tyrese Halliburton

and then playing against him. He's just a winning player. Like he plays winning basketball. He makes guys better. You can tell how the guys respond to him that they enjoy playing with him. And so I was a little shocked by that. And from the outside looking in, just through the things I read,

if it is true that the Kings went in thinking, we're going to trade Darren Fox, and they ended up trading Hollyburton, I would have to say the Pacers won that trade because they weren't really looking forward to moving, or they weren't really going to move forward with Sabonis, and they had kind of already made that clear through the reports that I had seen

that everybody was kind of up for grabs, and they also made it clear with another, trade that we'll get into in a second. But if they got Holly Burden out of that deal, which they did, then I would have to say they won that trade. They also got Buddy Hill, which I'm not sure what their plans are. And then obviously Trish and Thompson. And I'm not sure what their plans are with Buddy.

Like, will they move Buddy on? Will they buy Trish and Thompson out? Like, I think all of that stuff is up in the air. But, you know, Buddy is definitely a valuable asset. And whether they keep Tristan or not, Tristan, he does his job. He always has. He's going to rebound in basketball. He's going to set great screens.

He's going to do what Trishon does. So very interesting trade. I don't think it's complete, though, as far as what will happen with the guys that were also a part of the trade and not just the two top guys, which is Halliburg and Subon. So I don't think that trade is complete. And I'm looking forward to sitting back watching that one unfold if something else happens. with it. We also had C.J. McCollum traded. C.J. McCollum was traded from the Portland Trailblazers to the New Orleans Pelicans. And C.J. was traded for Josh Hart, Nikiel Walker, Alexander,

D.D. Lazzata, a first round pick and two second round picks. That was also an interesting trade. I didn't, I didn't foresee C.J. going to the Pelicans. But I'm here for it because, number one, I think that gives the pelicans a better chance at winning. And Willie Green is my guy. We won a championship together, both from the state of Michigan. Willie Green, terror. My young guy, Mace, absolutely love Mace. And so to see them acquire a piece like C.J. McCollum to add in with the guys that they already have,

I think that's a beautiful trade for the New Orleans Pelicans. I was shocked that that was the trade that Portland made, but I thought that was a beautiful trade for the New Orleans Pelicans. You add the type of player like CJ, and if I'm not mistaken, I think CJ just has signed an extension. So you also add him for a couple years and hopes that you're going to get Zion back, maybe not this year, but next year.

You still have Brandon Ingram there, so that brings in another ball handler, another score. I like that move for the Pelicans. And I'm excited about that move for them for Willie Green in particular, because like I said, that is my guy. And then, obviously, and speaking of our guests that we spoke about that will be on the show today in Darius Garland, I'd be remiss if I don't talk about the Karras Levert trade.

And I'll save that one because I want to talk through that trade with Darius and get his thoughts on it and how he feel about it. But just quickly, I like that trade for the calves. They seem like they're going all in for it, and that they're really trying to build some special. Carras is still fairly young with their young core. And so we'll see where that one goes, but we'll also talk about that one later in the show with DG,

the PG, that is. The Blazers also made another trade earlier this week, and that was this weekend, and that was Norman Powell and Robert Covington, headed to the Clippers. That move was very interesting for me because it tells you a lot about where the clippers are as a franchise.

It tells you a lot about Tailu as a coach. You know, Tai Loo is never willing to just tank. Like, Tai Loo is an incredible coach. And he's always trying to win. And that organization, with that trade, they showed you that they're still trying to win regardless of Kauai out, regardless of PG being out and kind of uncertainty around that

and will he return? Will he not? We saw him shooting shots with his left hand just the other day. I mean, even, and of course, we heard reports that he'll get another MRI on February 24th, which is still a couple weeks away. And so just with the uncertainty of that, I was a little shocked by this move, but I understand it because it shows you how they're feeling as a franchise. But most importantly, even if it does absolutely nothing for this year, Norman Powell signed a five-year contract with the Portland Trailblazers this past summer. So you still have that asset moving forward. And as Kauai come back into the fold,

as Paul George come back into the fold, you still have an incredible piece to push in with those guys. And that'll probably move, I mean, depending on what lineups they go with, possibly you have Norman Powell coming off the bench, which, you know, Norman Powell is a very good player, a dynamic player, he scores the basketball well.

He plays his role, doesn't do too much. So that was a very interesting trade. And then obviously Robert Covington, know what you're getting. You're getting the threes. You're getting a defender, a solid player who's always going to help a winning team. So I like that trade for the Clippers. I was shocked by it because you just didn't see it coming, like, didn't see them making a move like that, especially with their two top dogs down. I respect it. Like I said, that's what happens when you have a guy like Tailu coaching who's just never really going to

accept Tanking. Like, that's just not what he does. And he's shown that. And then also, we've also we've had the Ben Simmons and the James Harden rumors. I don't quite know what to think of these rumors. You can't only just watch and see how it plays out. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

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swears up and down by Gary Indiana. Like it's like Sacking on Michigan or something. I don't know why he swear up and down about it like that. No, but honestly, from Gary, Indiana, moved to Tennessee

in the sixth grade, if I'm not mistaken. Right, D.G? Seven, seven. Seven. Seven grade. Seven great. And I actually heard, well, first off, let me properly introduce him, like I said, first time all-star face of the Cleveland Cavaliers organization.

Darius Garland, welcome to the show, my brother. Appreciate you, Brody. And I appreciate you coming on. But I do want to hear a little more about that because I actually had heard that you and your family relocated from Gary, Indiana to Tennessee for your basketball. I mean, it wasn't all about basketball. Gary, I mean, as a lot of people know, it's a tough place to come up. And then, like, it wasn't the same Gary that my parents grew up in.

So they wanted a better life for me. So the school systems weren't the same. So they wanted me to get a better education. And, yeah, I mean, we just made a leap of faith and just moved in Nashville, packed up everything and just moved down there just to get a better education, and just make my life better. And, hey, I mean, it's doing well so far. No, it definitely paid off.

And you, if I also heard, you joined the varsity team in eighth grade? Yeah, eighth grade. How much did you play once you joined the varsity team? Like that eighth grade year, did you play a lot or not much? Well, I played two games. The varsity coach, he was, like, kind of nervous because I was small and everybody. my dad didn't think I was ready physically to be pulling this older guys. So, I mean, they held me back for a long time.

And then we got to state. So we had like semifinals of state. So I played that game against our rival, Ensworth. And then I played in a semi-state against Father Ryan. That was the only two games that I played for varsity, my eight-three year. And the second game that you played, did y'all lose that game and were out of the tournament or something, or the season just kept progressing

and they stopped playing you? How did that work? Yeah, we lost. We lost. Okay. Yeah, the season was over with. Okay. Okay.

And then your freshman season, you go on to lead the team to a championship. Yeah, freshman year. The state championship game was crazy, actually. We was down by 20 going to half and came back, rallied on, and won my first state championship. Yeah.

I want to. Out of four, might as well, you know. You won four state championships? Yeah, one four in a row. Wow,

that's impressive. I don't know, I don't know if that makes you that good or it's basketball that bad in Tennessee. We got to find that out.

You got a teammate that played basketball in Tennessee. I have a teammate that play basketball in Tennessee? James. Of course.

Duh, bozo. Yeah, of course he did. That's right. Yeah. Okay. Well, yeah, I mean, he ain't off the hook either. He's not off the hook either.

And you were three-time Tennessee missed the basketball. You go on in 2018 to win a national player of the year. And then you go on to play one season at Vanderbilt. Now, interesting enough, you played one season, but not really. Walk me through your one season you played at Vanderbilt. So, I mean, we got on campus around August. We went in early for summer classes. Went through that whole ordeal.

And then we get towards the season. So first couple of games was smooth. Sorry, I will play against USC. That was really good. I had Kevin Porter. I was at that game, by the way. I came to that game. and sat on the baseline and why I was at the I remember that game.

Yeah, so that was a good one. And I think that was the game that really put me on the map, to be honest with it. And then we go home, play some non-conference games, and we play against Kent State, actually from Ohio. And first two, three minutes in the game, I tore my meniscus. And that was the fifth game of my college career. Yeah, went back in the back. They told me,

I got to get surgery for my meniscus. And after that, I just talked to my parents and, like, it's a rap. That's the process going. I want to achieve my dreams. Let's get this knee right and achieve my dreams to just enter the draft. So, I mean, we did that. And the rest was history after that one.

And so you go on at that point, How long between when you decide or when they say you have to get knee surgery and then you make that decision with your, that decision with your parents, how long was it from there until you decided that you were going to sign a clutch and actually start your draft process? So when I got, when I got hurt, I tell my parents from the jump, like, I want to answer the draft. I don't want to go back. So then I started doing some rehab on my own, just staying in touch with Rich and Luke and a couple of other agencies. But I moved to Atlanta to start my rehab in like February. So it was probably a month or two right after I got hurt that assignment clutch and finally made my decision. And that's when everything just started ramping up from rehab standpoint, getting me back on the court and all the draft process.

started been. And was there anything, so that happens, you start to rehab, you sign with Clutch. Did Clutch do anything differently during your draft process than they do in a normal draft process? Because obviously, you did end up going the fifth pick regardless of only playing what, five, five games or four and a half games in your freshman and your only season at Vanderbilt. Did Clutch do anything differently to assure? that you would end up still as high pick as you was going to be projected,

regardless of what your injury status was? No, not really. I mean, we just played our cars right, really. I mean, we didn't do anything. Teams came and walked me workout. I did my workouts. And, I mean, I was really just shooting the ball, really, shooting a lot of floaters, showing my handle.

And that was it. I mean, it wasn't really too much going into the workouts. It was just we going to do this for about 15, 20 minutes, and we're going to get up out of here. That's great. Because I, when I saw you play, especially when I saw that game at USC, I'm like, 100% this dude got to be the top point guard in the country. But then when you go down with the knee injury, obviously you're 6-2 on a good day.

I'll give you 6-2 on a good day. I was a little worried because I'm like, ah, now he's coming off the knee injury. how does that affect you? And then to see that you still go fifth overall, I thought that was exciting. But I was also a bit confused, and the reason I was confused is because the Cavaliers had drafted you. And if I'm not mistaken that year right before that,

they had drafted Colin Sexton with the eighth pit, who was also a point guard, highly-touted point-gar coming out of Alabama, and then they drafted you right after. And the reason I was confused is, because it was too smaller guards. And it's like, okay, you know, sometimes you make that decision of, oh, this guy is going to be a two.

And that's totally fine. But, you know, Colin is, what, 6'3 on a good day, you know? And so I wondered how that would work with them drafting two guards. What were they saying to you once they drafted you about them had just draft a point guard the year before? That's when Dame and CJ, that's when they had their crazy run. So they was just pitching that to us.

We can be the next Dame and CJ. I can play off the ball a little bit. I can play on the ball. We could just mix it up. And we just always have to be aggressive. We've got to stay in attack mode. So, I mean, I was going with it. I mean, Bull is still my guy.

That's one of my best friends on the team. So I was rocking with it. I mean, they're just fell into place like that. That's great. I think y'all having that bond definitely helps because there has been times where, like, people haven't, has, hasn't felt like the fit was working. They felt, you know, you've had people saying they felt like the calves needed to move on from him, that he was standing in your way.

You've had opposing players on other teams saying that, you know, I saw the report, saying that his own teammates didn't like playing with him and all of these different things. And the reality is I felt like no matter what has happened, regardless of other players saying that, regardless of what the fit may be, you've always shown that support for him, regardless of what that situation is being.

Why is that? I mean, that's my brother. I know Colin says I was a junior high school. So, I mean, getting drafted, it was like, I got a big brother. He's been in his league longer than me. He can show me some of the ropes. So I always took that.

And then just our bond on the court, like people thought that we were feuding because we was trying to battle for the same position, but we really weren't. Like, we was just trying to figure everything out. I was young, he was young. So it was just trying to figure out how this whole thing was going to work.

And that's all it was. And people just took it out of proportionate thinking that we were feuding about getting a position. when we work. And I think, I think, you know, with the year that you're having,

obviously becoming an all-star, and, you know, not only the year that you're having individually, but also the year that the team has happened. And with what we will discuss in a minute, it's now natural that, you know,

once he comes back from his injury, that he'll probably take on the six-man role, which I think is incredible. When you have a team, like you guys have. And very young, by the way, which is exciting, which is probably, the fact that you guys are young is probably more exciting than the fact

that y'all are having a great year. Because you can't help but to look ahead to the future and think what this could be. If everything pans out, obviously everyone needs to stay healthy. But I think he naturally, and coming, you know, and it's a contract year for him and, you know, things will be decided. But if he was to return to the cast,

he may naturally end up as the six-man. And to have that player, a player of Collins' caliber coming off the bench, I think that does wonders for your team. How do you feel about that and where he may fall in the rotation, whether he returns this year or next year? Yeah, I think Colin will fit in perfectly with us

at any position. I mean, he comes in and he's going to get it regardless. So, I mean, just having his... his tenacity, his intensity, his scoring ability, and just like I don't care mindset. I mean, I think anybody will just love to have Bull, and I know our organizational will too. That's beautiful.

Beginning of this year, obviously, calves have struggled since LeBron left. There was no surprise there. And we come into this season, and the casinos have you guys projected to win 27 games. Now, you've already won 33, and we probably still got about 30 games left in the season or somewhere around there, and you've already won 33.

What do you think has allowed you guys to be as good as y'all have been and so much better than what people expected? And second part of this question, did y'all as an organization as a group expect to be this good or did y'all kind of surprise y'all selves as well I think coming to training camp well I had a feeling coming to training camp that we were going to be really good just adding Evan another seven-footer adding lorry another seven-footer that can stretch the floor and then just seeing what we were doing in training camp I mean I really liked I really liked our team coming in And, I mean, Coach Bickers said, J.B., he just has everybody locked in right now.

Defensive-wise, I mean, that's our whole thing, defense. So when we're getting to stops and just locked in on taking that one-on-one challenge, I mean, I think we're really tough to beat. So just having that mindset of just helping the next person and then just having that one-on-one mentality, like you at the part in the open. days and it's a one-on-one battle that you've got to go against. Like, I think that we're really up there. And I know we surprised a lot of people.

And I think we won the best teams in the league, bro, to be honest with you. I love, I absolutely love the confidence. And you spoke about Evan Mobley and, you know, him coming in. And I think he's had an amazing rookie season. To be honest with you, I watch college basketball and I kind of keep up with the draft and this guy's projected here and I try to watch all of these guys coming into the league.

Number one, just because I love basketball. Number two, you better know who's coming in behind you and who's coming at your neck and who's coming for your spot. You just got to understand that and being in this league. And if you don't, before you know, if somebody would be taking your spot and you ain't even see them coming. But in watching last season, I was a big Evan Mobley fan coming out.

And the reason I was such a big Evan Mobley fan is because you'd see at times when he'd get the ball how skilled he was and how much he can do. But didn't always get the ball. And yet, no matter what, his impact would still be all over the game. I was watching one game last year and a guy caught the ball in the corner wide open.

And Evan was standing underneath the basket. like all the way underneath the basket. The guy caught the ball. He's a shooter. So, you know, a shooter catch at corner three. He lock and loaded. It's going up. No thought.

No delay. Like, it's going up. And the guy caught the ball. He locked it in and went to shoot. And Mobley blocked the shot. And he was standing under the rim when the guy caught the ball. And I couldn't believe. And I caught one of our guys from our front office.

I said, Evan Mobley is incredible. I personally think he's going to be the best player in this drive. And so, you know, he's having a great year and saying all that. He's having an incredible year. What impact do you think he's had on y'all team on both ends of the floor? Yeah, Evan is very impactful. To be honest, we changed our whole defense around him and Jared. Just them to, just protecting the paint.

And then when Jared goes to block shots, Evan is right there. It's just two seven footers just sitting right there. So, I mean, even if Evan, it's not having a good game offensively, he's going to change the whole dynamic on the defensive end. He can switch one through five, move his feet, contests a lot of jump shots from guards.

He likes to be physical in a post. He likes to bang in the post offensively as well. So, I mean, just his impact and his presence just makes everything totally different on both sides of the floor, to be honest, with you, bro. And a lot of you speaking to Jared Allen, A lot of people thought that he should have been an all-star right alongside you, which I agree with the year that he's having, with the year that y'all are having,

y'all are a game and a half out of first place in the East, how y'all didn't get two all-stars. Quite frankly, I think it's a reputation theme because no one expected y'all to be one and a half games out of the East this close to the all-star break, first place in the East, this close to the All-Star break. So I think it's a reputation thing more so than his production. but I agree with a lot of people I thought he should have been an all-star

but, you know, Mowbly, Jared Allen, those are two traditional big men. How has that work to y'all benefit? Because you go to traditional big men nowadays and most teams get ran out to gym. Yeah. Yeah, y'all are having this season.

What has allowed y'all to have this type of season with playing two traditional big men as opposed to how the game is played by most teams today? They like playing with each other. I mean, they both run the floor. I mean, they just work really well with each other. A lot of teams are starting to front the post a lot more. So Evan is a really good passer,

which is really crazy at seven foot. So, like, Evan, he'd get it high-low action. getting the mid-range area and just throw the lob up to JA. And it's an easy two points. And it's the same way with Jared and Evan, just Jared comes to the high post of Evan, just get an easy dunk. So it's just like them just working with each other,

like having fun with it. Like they just play with the game a lot. Like a lot of ball screen action with me. And now it's like a lot of four or five ball screen action. When Evan has the ball in his hand, he comes off. He got the mid-range shot. and we just throw the lob to JA. So it's just them having that good connection

and it's growing every day. Like you can see it in practice, you see it in game. And they just have fun with each other, bro. I mean, it's really unique to see, like you said, just two traditional bigs. But, I mean, it's working hand-to-hand right now. You know, the funny thing about this league

is a very copycat lead. And a part of the reason the two traditional big men has gone away is because we started winning championships and then everyone just copies that. And so it'll be interesting to see as you guys continue to progress and as you guys continue to grow

based on the success that y'all have, if y'all have a ton of success, if you are possibly able to win a championship one day, it'll be interesting to see if everyone will see that lineup and start to move back towards the two traditional big men. Because the NBA goes in waves. Like I said, it's a copycat. It goes in waves.

Someone has success with this. and everyone think they need to move towards that. So I'm interested to see how that plays out over these next couple of years. But, and speaking of the next couple of years, as I said earlier, you guys are a game in a half out of first place. What do you think the ceiling is for this team?

Sky's the limit. We're super young, really talented. He just added my man, Karestilvert, a nice to go out that can really score. the ball. And, I mean, another thing, we play defense. Like, we like to play defense. Absolutely.

So, I mean, when we're just gritty and playing with that toughness, I mean, we can go all the way, in my opinion. And a lot of people think, a lot of people say, I've read some of the things people say. They're like, oh, well, you know, they're having a good regular season, but they won't be able to compete in the playoffs because they're so young. What do you have to say to that? I heard this for my last three years.

We're young, we're young. And I'm tired of hearing that excuse. I'm tired of hearing people just saying that we're too young. I mean, we play together. We play basketball together as a team. And I think that's going to take us farther than a lot of people expect us to go because we play together. We play on both ends of the floor.

And we play hard. Like, it's not a lot of teams that's just going to outcompete us. And that's what we go by as well. J.B. always on us about toughness and outworking our opponent. So when we outworking people playing with that toughness, playing with that grit, really hard to beat. No, for sure. And I, you guys made a trade the other day.

No surprise to anyone, as we all know the news. But I have some thoughts on that trade. But before, I want to hear your thoughts on the trade. And what I want to hear on your thoughts, because what that trade said, that trade said a lot to me. That trade said, like, y'all front office, Kobe Altman, the GM, your front office isn't just seeing this like, oh, you know, we got a good young team. We can build this thing over the next several amount of years or whatever.

You're going in for a piece like Karas LaVert. That means you're trying to plug holes that you may feel you have right now, which means you think you can win right now. And, you know, in bringing on a guy like Karrison, I know you just briefly spoke on his shot-making ability and another guy who can handle the ball, I personally think it's a great move because he can take you off the ball

and he knows how to make plays. And now you can kind of go into, you know, catch and shoot mode more often than you get the opportunity to do. What do you feel like this trade opens up for y'all in bringing Keros? on. I mean, just bring another guy that can be dynamic on the ball. He can go get his whenever.

And then it just makes us longer defensive. To be honest with you. I mean, Karen, he's legit, 6-6, really athletic. I mean, like you said, just filling the hole so we can make that next step to being successful and getting more wins, getting more playoff appearances. So, I mean, that's our whole goal. I mean, I've been trying to tell Kobe that for the last three years, even though he thinks so last two.

But I'm telling him I want to win. So just bringing care so on, I mean, we really think that we have a chance in our locker room and our front office really believes in it too. So I'm super excited about it. That's incredible. I'm excited for you. And speaking of, Karras coming on and you getting off the ball, a lot of people compare your game to Steph,

obviously with the tight handle, with the shot, but also having that flow game. You know, you see a lot of guys, they can play on one level. Some guys can play on two levels, but not many guys can play on three and four different levels, whether that's shooting the three ball, whether that's a couple steps in front of the three shooting the mid-range, the flow game, more getting to the cup and finishes.

you're actually one of those guys who can play at all the different levels, i.e. Steph Curry, and you get that comparison a lot. Was Steph someone that you kind of modeled your game after and watching him as you come up playing the game? Or is it just coincidentally that that's the path that your game is going on? No, I watched Steph a lot growing up. Steph was definitely one of my favorite players growing up. I mean, Steph changed the game for all of us, shooting a four-pointed, Well, not even a four point, but we call it four-pointers.

I mean, shooting a deep ball. And like you said, playing three different phases of the court. So Steph was definitely one of the guys that I watch a lot. Kyrie is another guy that I watch a lot. Dame. And I go back to Steve Nash. I like Steve Nash a lot. I like Baron Davis, just his creativity.

I mean, there's a lot of guys that I watch and study, but I just want to be the best version of me, to be honest with you. I mean, I'm an all-star now, so I just want to be like me. I just want to do the things that I want to do and then just try to get better at it. I want to be at the top just like y'all, so I'm working towards that.

You heard it? I'm an all-star now. Don't skip over that part. I'm a all-star now. Love to hear it. But, and, and, that same light and guys with mentors, what possibly mentorship,

and I think you just had a great one. And Ricky Rubio, do you, did you feel like, because you and Ricky Rubio was playing well. And, I mean, there were lineups.

I think one of your best lineups this year was with y'all two on the court together. What did you learn from Ricky Rubio? Did he help you out a lot? Obviously, he has a ton of experience. And not just in the NBA. He has a ton of experience,

playing in Spain, playing for Spain. as far as Olympics and World Cups and, you know, world basketball goals. Very, very, very smart player. Did you find playing with Ricky Rubio beneficial for your growth? Yeah, for sure.

Ricky taught me a lot. To be honest with you, Ricky was the first person that really got on me about leadership this year and that really made me turn like the next page, I believe. Ricky was just on me all the time,

just about being aggressive, keeping everybody engaged, and then just having that killer mindset, like, this is your team, like, this is all yours. So Ricky, it was just how he went about his day and the consistency that he put in and everything to do with his body, just staying healthy and just bringing that attitude to the game. I mean, like, Ricky, Ricky was amazing for me, to be honest with you, bro. Yeah.

Ricky changed a lot. That's incredible. And it looked like that. And I think, you know, it helps when you have a young team, especially a young point guard like yourself, who does not have much experience. I've seen over the course of time, like, you know, a team bringing a veteran point guard,

like you're not coming to take the spot. Like, that's not happening. But you come and bring that mentorship. And I just watch them from afar, I thought that that was a big hell for you because you could just see certain changes that you've made, your decision making has gone up another couple of notches, your playmaking,

like your shot making. But all of those things go hand to hand. You know, like, it's taking the right shots, you know, it's seeing the floor differently, and obviously you've always had court vision, but all of those things is taking a step up, so it's great to see them bring a guy in that can help the growth.

And, like, I hate nothing more than a team having all young guys. Like, we're going to, like, who's there to teach that young guy what needs to be done? Or you just think he's going to figure it out on his own. Like, yeah, there are some things that you are going to figure out on your own just by playing. And like, you learn and you see those things. But there's other things that you can see it as a million times and you're not going to understand it until someone can help you understand it. And I think when you have veterans, it's always better to get certain things from a, veteran player than it is from a coach.

Because you just take it in differently. You know, so I thought that was huge. And now having a Ray John Rondo who in my mind is top five smartest guys in the NBA. Have you saw any benefit in having

Rondo around? Yeah. Literally the second day I met Doe, I'm on a phone my pops. I'm on to phone my dad. And we were on a bus on the way to sack. We're leaving y'all. On the way to set.

I'm like, I'm talking to my dad, and I just hear somebody in the back. DG. He just screamed my name. I'm like, what? I just instantly hung up. I'm like, now I call you right back. Hold on. Doe call me. He like, come back here and watch this film. So he watched a whole film from a Sacramento game. So I'm like, nobody never did that with me, literally. I told him. I told him, I said, you're the first person

that ever called me in the back of the bus and watched a fool game with me. And that meant a lot to me. That was the second day I met him. So that connection was in there. He's teaching me a lot. I come pick his brain during timeouts to see what he sees on the floor

and I'm telling him what I see. And I mean, he's a mass in the pick and rope. And that's all we run nowadays. So just trying to see like different spots and different reasons where people want the ball. all that. So, I mean, he's been a huge help for me as well, for sure. That's beautiful.

And honestly, them bringing in Rondo, obviously, to help, you know, take on the backup point guard responsibility. But it also, it really shows their commitment to you as their franchise player, as their point guard, because they keep surrounding you with guys that they know that, that they know are smart, that they know truly understands this game. and most importantly, are leaders and can help teach. And it's a beautiful thing that they've done. I am excited about it.

And before I let you go, because I don't want to take up much more of your time, before I let you go, I need you to tell me, I need you to tell the world what you told me the other day when I called you about this trade. I need you to share this with the world so they can hear it here first. What did I say? Okay. So clearly he does not believe what he said.

I definitely believe what I said. I definitely believe what I said. Okay. So this is my little brother. We've continued to build that relationship over these years. And I don't take those relationships for granted. You know, when you had an opportunity to build with a young guy like DG or younger guys in this league, like you have to do that. Because the reality is you owe it to the game.

And Pete Myers told me this years ago. like you owe it to the game to give back to the game. You know, like you owe it to the game to lead this game in a better place than it was when you found it. And the only way to do that is to give game to the young guys. And so I take these relationships serious. And when they do well or when good things happen around them, I get excited as hell like it's happening to me.

So the trade happens the other day. I called DG. I'm like, yo, I like that trade for y'all. And DG like, man. I like that trade a lot. Like, that trade makes us a lot better. I wouldn't be shocked, like, Warriors Cavs in the finals. That's what DG told me.

Quite frankly, everyone knows my track record with the Caval and the finals. There's not many people that can actually give me the roof for the Cavaliers organization because like we know the history. Like, why would I root for them? Uh-uh. It just don't make sense. Like, we know the history of that. I cannot root for the calves yet.

Um, my love for DG, my little bro, I do root for the calves now. So take that to the bank with y'all. I root for the calves now because I like to see DG do well. Not because I love the cows organization because y'all still stole a fucking championship from me. So, uh, it is what it is. But no, I'm definitely rooting for y'all.

I want to see you continue to do well. And most importantly, want to see, you know, your team continue to do well because that will only help your trajectory, my brother. So I'm rooting for y'all. I hope to see y'all in the finals, as I do believe that we'll be there. I do hope to see y'all there and kick Cleveland ass again. D.G., much love, bro, man. I appreciate you coming on.

Thank you, bro. appreciate you. So for all of you that say you love the game of basketball, you love the basketball conversations that we have on the show. Obviously, we're only here once a week, I wish we could do more, but the NBA is a little bit taxing, and it requires just a little amount of time that, you know,

kind of got to stick to that in four games in a week. But if you are looking for more basketball conversations, then you must check out the Jenkins and Jones podcast, also on the volume podcast networks. Ironically enough, it's like a hilarious mix of basketball and comedy and like some of the most random internet topics you can imagine. So definitely check that out. From all your favorite NBA Twitter personalities, Legerreau Jenkins,

Dragon Fly Jones. So make sure y'all download the Jenkins and Jones podcast wherever you get your podcast only on the volume podcast. Network. As you know, I always excited to have those conversations, whether it's, you know, a guy who's done it before me or whether it's guys who's doing it at the same time I'm doing it or obviously a younger guy who's also doing it at the same time, but obviously has much longer to go in his career than I got left, you know, so I love having those conversations and I always call him DG to PG. We both DGs. But, you know, when you have a,

personal relationship with guys like I have with DG, you know, to see him or them have success in this lead, become all-stars, become the face of a franchise, not only become the face of a franchise, but actually lead in that franchise. Like, I mean, we all know, like, it's the Cleveland Cavaliers, it's LeBron James and obviously Kyrie Urban, but as far as the very set of franchise goes, it's LeBron James. And like I told DG the other day, there's room. for more. Like, there's, there is room for more, and you should take on that challenge. And I think he's taking on that challenge. But, you know, just, like, continue to go and continue to try to raise that bar even more. Because once you become an all-star, like,

now you got to validate why you're an all-star. And invalidating that, you got to bring it every single night. So everything just have to take a step up. The way you, like, the treatment on your body, your nutrition, like, everything has to take a step up in order to, you to continue to not only produce at that level, but try to exceed it. So I'm always appreciative of those conversations. Like I said, then it's very ironic that he's doing that with Cleveland because about five years ago,

you could have never told me I'd cheer for Cleveland. You just couldn't have told me that. Like, it's just been too much history with that franchise, but no hard feelings. I obviously want to see them do well. Dan Gilbert, Michigan State guys. I always rooting for Dan as well. But that's it for this episode.

I hope you all enjoyed the conversation. I hope you enjoyed my thoughts on some of these trades, but then also hearing what DG thinks that Karras and that trade does for the Cavs moving forward. And they've been a little active. Brought in Ronto through a trade and then just brought in Karras through the trade. And I don't see them making many other moves

just because of where they are as the team they kind of got a good balance of youth, but still winning with that youth. And so I think they're doing a tremendous job. It'll be great to see how it all plays out for them. But until next week, Draymond Green Show. It's a wrap. Peace.

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