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Episode Date: April 7, 2022

Seth Curry of the Brooklyn Nets joins ‘The Draymond Green Show’ to discuss his journey from Liberty to Duke (3:00), what it’s like playing with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant (7:00), making his own path separate from Steph (15:00), his take on Joel Embiid and the MVP race this year (26:00), the issue with refereeing in the NBA today (33:00), and what the Nets have to do to win a championship this year (42:00). Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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we're splitting the show up into two different segments. And today we have the player guest segment of the show. I'm honored to have this next guest on the show. Actually, a guy who, when he came into the league, started his career, his first training camp with us, which I look back on that now and you see the player that he's become

and you have to sit and think and wonder, like, man, how did he get away from us? Number one, it's just, like, when you think of the word nepotism, it's alive and well, and especially all through the NBA. So even from a nepotism standpoint, it should have been this way.

And then if we took advantage of that, we would have this guy and we'd automatically win a championship with what he's bringing to the court. But we didn't even take it advantage of that and we lost out on this guy. And I actually have the utmost respect for him because he didn't get it that way, because he went and got it out of the mud,

to the G League, into the lead, back to the G League, into the league, back to the G League, and then he made his way. This next guest, my brother, Seth Curry, what's up, bro? Welcome to the Draymond Green Show. Yes, sir. What's going on?

Just chilling, man. Number one, like I was just saying, what was it for you that drove you to, like, I think most people would have said, no, Steph, you can, like, you can 100% make sure I'm on a team, make sure I'm on a team. Y'all had the same agent. The agent can say, hey, no, make sure he's on a team. You never wanted it that way. What was it that drove you to make you go get it out the mud the way you did?

I've always been that way. I know Steph having a brother like him has his perks, especially the more he goes up and up when it gets more power within the league. But kind of my whole life, I kind of want to separate myself a little bit. That's one of the reasons I didn't decide not to go to Davidson out of high school.

I wanted to kind of make my own mark be my own person and really kind of earn everything, everything that I get. So I think just having that way has made me a better play. in the long run just because I really embraced my journey and really had to, like I said, had to grind and had to work for every single thing, so I'm really take it for granted. Absolutely. And speaking and not going to Davidson out of high school, you went to Liberty.

And take us on that journey to Liberty. You went and totally dominated, especially as a freshman, leading all freshmen and scoring with 20 a game. Take us on that journey to Liberty and you go on there and what other schools did you pick against as well? I had like two or three offers out of high school. So I was, I mean, I committed to Liberty after my junior year in high school. I think if I would have waited and played it out, I would have some more offers because I just made a little jump going into my senior in high school.

But I had a good relationship with the coach at the time at Liberty, Richie McKay. I knew who's going to put the ball on my hands and give me an opportunity to improve my game and show what I can do. So I went to, I went to the place. that would, like I said, give me an opportunity to display my skills and what I could do. And that was at Liberty, just that system and doing it. And like I said, I made a big jump.

And that really propelled me to who I am today and giving me that confidence that I can I could play against the best at the high school level. And I mean, at the college level, and I figure it out as I go along. You then go to Liberty. You dominate. How did the process go for you ending up at Duke? Like, did you, did they just come right after you at Liberty? Did you open up that you wanted to transfer?

And they came after you alone with other schools. How did that process work up? Yes. I was at Liberty, so I had a great non-conference run. I mean, I was averaging a lot of points doing my thing. We got into the conference play, and they were sending double teams, triangle and twos at me, and it just wasn't a good style of basketball for me to play. It wasn't fun.

I was, you hear that frustration that Kevin been talking about over the past few weeks of sending traps at him as he comes across half port. That was me all throughout a conference place. I was like, man, I got to go somewhere where I can play some real basketball and be around some better teammates and play just at a higher level. So I opened up my recruitment. I just said I was transferring. I didn't know where I was going to go.

My dad obviously did some research of some options that I would have. But once I decided I was going to transfer it, I know I wanted to play in the ACC somewhere. And Duke came calling. I stepped on campus. Coach put the JJ Redick video. goes up, put the voodoo on me, and I didn't make it out of his office without a commitment. So, yeah, it just worked out that way.

That's insane. As a kid from Charlotte growing up in the state of North Carolina, you got North Carolina Duke. We all know how that goes. I'm not sure with the way that your lives were set up, like y'all were more of an NBA family. So I'm not sure if y'all grew up, North Carolina or Duke, I would love to know that. but, like, that got to be a dream come true. Like, as a North Carolina kid, you're then going to Duke?

Yeah, man. Like, we all wanted to go to Duke as kids, bro. Like, I've been a, Michigan State was my dream school. But at, at some point in life, you're like, yo, you want to play for Coach K at Duke. Like, that's a big deal. I know that had to be insane as a North Carolina kid who also, it seemed like you would never have that opportunity as well. Yeah, we grew up into tobacco road right out of the street in Charlotte. So I think you said, we're around the NBA game, but being growing up in North Carolina,

it's college basketball first. So it's North Carolina is Duke, it's NC State, those type of schools that, I mean, it's just something special about those rivalry. So growing up, watching those games, being on campus at Duke, like you said, Duke, like you said, walking in Coach Kay's office, it was a real feeling. My mom was around. She was in his office crying. I'm like, you got to relax.

Like, there's a recruiting, recruiting visit. She's in there in tears because we're at Duke, and it's hard to believe. But, yeah, it was a dream. I should really put on that Duke blue and play out. Growing up, I was a, I really liked both teams. I wouldn't say I favorite Duke over North Carolina. I just like going to the tournament games when they were,

when they're in Greensboro for the most part. And, yeah, now it's all Duke now. And speaking of Duke, you get the chance to team up with Kyrie Irvin again. Yeah. Like, in totally different spaces of your lives, totally different players than y'all were, then what's that been like now? And I know it's been a small sample size. It's very fresh. But what's that been like now coming full circle and teammates in NBA?

That's been great. We only played, what, 10, 11 games together in college, obviously with an injury. I was one of them games. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, facts. But, no, yeah, I mean, it's been smooth with the ground running. Both of us guys, obviously high IQ guys can do a lot. I can play on the ball, off the ball.

He's an unselfish guy, even though he puts up scores on the ball at a high clip, he'll get a ball up and let you play freely. So we're figuring out as we go along, obviously, our team is changing week by week. But it's been fun, man, just watching him play, watching him work on his game, stay sharp. It's making me better at the same time. And KD as well. Like I've had the opportunity to play with KD, as you know. I always say KD is, if somebody told you,

go in the lab and create a player, you're going to create somebody who's 16 that can dribble, that can shoot, that's fast, that can jump, you're going to go create Kevin Durant. Like, for you, especially with the role that you played in the NBA, which I want to talk more about, but with the role that you've played in the NBA, for you that got to be a dream come true.

I mean, teams are sending double teams at him. Like, for you, that got to be a dream come true, and he can pass the ball. What's that been like building that chemistry? with him and just like figuring out how he works. I think I think that takes him getting used to as well. Like people, like the way Kay work and the way he approached basketball, it takes him getting used to and you could be still adjusting to it.

Yeah, I mean, it's easy with me because he's a basketball guy. He loves the game. He enjoyed the game. That's what he's all about. So I think he, when you come to a team that he's on and he knows you're another guy who's a basketball junkie who lives for the game, who has a. smart IQ, he's going to respect you.

So I feel like, yeah, I'm watching him every day, watching his work ethic, which is, I know you already talked about it a lot of times of your podcast, but it's crazy to see him work the detail he puts into his craft on a daily basis and see that translate into games. It's not like he just a 16 guy with all the talent, and he just goes out there and it's going to be easy for him. He puts him to work and behind closed doors, and that's on display every night. So it was a little adjustment. early on playing with him, figuring out his spots that he likes the ball on,

figuring out just how to play pick and roll with him, things like that. But, I mean, after a couple of games, it's been pretty smooth. And I feel like that's one of my, one of my good attributes is I play with a lot of different types of star players and I've been able to fit in well. That's about, that's going to allow me to have longevity in this league as being able to adapt my game to the type of star talent I'm playing with at the time. I think especially when. When you look at, you play with Luca, Steph, Dane, Katie, Kyrie,

Joelle, Ben, Mike. Yeah, all those types, and they all, I mean, every time I love, they all seem like they really enjoy playing with me, something I take pride in. I said it before, like, a guy like me, I'm not, I'm going to be a star, star, star, play on the team. So for me to make my mark, I got to make the game easier for those guys. And that's where I've become.

I'm useful. Speaking of being a star player, has it ever bothers you that your name has never been mentioned in like, or like you've never been top two and most improved player. Because I think, you know, when you look at awards like that, like, you're averaging 15 points a game. You went from, you went from undrafted to averageing 15 points, meaningful points a game and a starter in the league. And like, in my mind, you, you tip the trade.

Like, the trade that happened with Brooklyn and the nets, you tip that trade. Like, that's, like, I'm sure if I could have been in those rooms, that was a huge key going on in a trade or whether you was going to be involved in a trade or not. For you to go from undrafted to where you are in the league, you're an asset, you're a starter in this league, we know what you're bringing,

on most years your lead in the league in three-point shooting which three-point shooting is what runs this NBA right now. Does it bother you that you've never been in those in those conversations?

I know it fucking bothers me. Yeah, I mean, I would like to be in the discussion, obviously, I don't think, I may have you want to be recognized for what you put in the work and how you've shown that every year. But I think the main reason my overall county stats

hasn't had a huge jump from year to year. I've gotten incrementally better every single year. It's not like I went and doubled my numbers from one year to the next. So, I mean, I'm incrementally getting better. My efficiency is pretty good every single year. And that's what I pride myself on. So it's not like I have a – I think my usage rate just hasn't gone crazy, which is the main reason.

So it's just the – mainly just because of the role I've been in over certain seasons where I had to jump like that. I mean, I know I am as a player, the organizations I've been to, the fan bases, know what I bring every night, the people who watch me play every night. So I think that's what means the most of me. Absolutely. I mean, that's definitely a special thing. I mean, I guess you make a great point about incrementally getting better, but I still like to look at entire bodies of work as well. And I also think that you've had years where you went from averaging three points to 11 or 10 or 11 like that.

Those are huge jumps. It's like, that's not easy to do. That's a totally different player. That's somebody who probably end up playing in 41 games in the season, 46 games in season, and somebody who go to playing every single night and producing at that level. So I think that's a big thing.

Another thing, I think I've played even better come playoff time. I think I had some really good playoff moments, playoff series that go from, like, playing the regular season basketball, which is one thing. taking that to another level in the playoffs where it's a totally different level of basketball and obviously on the bigger stage

and it's harder to play well in the playoffs. So that's another thing that's probably a little underappreciated. Absolutely. I mean, hey man, I shoot a pretty high percentage from three in the playoffs, man. They're going to tell me I can't shoot,

but I make them when they matter. So I got it. I think in like I'm with clutch so I've been I've I've had the opportunity to watch rich work I've had the opportunity uh Maverick's my big brother like I've had the opportunity to watch him work and be around him Randy you look at those guys and and how people think because they're like because them and LeBron all came up together that people think just because they came up with LeBron that Rich Paul is who he is because he came in with LeBron, then Maverick Carter is who he is, that Randy is who he is because.

And the reality is LeBron gave a platform, but you have to take advantage of that platform. In turn, what people end up doing is they end up using LeBron against you. Like, oh, well, he only can do that because he got LeBron James. And now you have to prove to people your worth. times two on what you already have done because people using LeBron James against you. I feel like people have used Steph against you. Do you feel some of that in this league

or where you've had to like overproduce and overshow what you were capable of due to Steph being who he is? Oh, absolutely. I said a lot early on, if my name was Joe Smith, I would have been in the league a long time ago. But I think, like you said, sometimes those connections and who you are can get you in the door.

But it comes to the time and when you got to produce every day, you got to bring value or they're going to get you out of there. So like I said, you got to have some stuff substance with who you are. Actually, those connections are great. And being around those people, obviously learning from Steph, being able to ask some questions, just following his journey. And it gives me a huge leg up, a benefit. I got a guy who's been through a lot of the grounds and I can, like I said, I can pick his brain and I can, more importantly, just watch what he does and add it to myself. But I got to mold that to who I am and I got to bring value to the team or to whatever I'm doing myself. So it's some pros and cons to, like you said, to being the younger brother, Stefan, and the son of death.

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Absolutely. And speaking to Cali and your dynamic, talk to me about being a father, man. I know for me it's been like, it's been a total reset for me. and having kids and what matters and selflessness, like, learn, I mean, truly learning how to be selfless. Like, I think those are, those were some of the biggest adjustments for me. Talk to me about being a father and what that brings to you on the daily. That's great.

It's the best thing ever, man. You already know, like, it's, it brings peace. When you come in that household, it's so much stress and stuff that come along with the job. when you come at home, most of the time it's peace, just being around your kids, watching them grow up every day, trying to mold them into the people that they should be. And for me, it's a learning process, man. I've watched, I've got three nieces and nephews.

So I watched the way Steph and Aisha Parenthood and kind of took some notes, but once I have my own kids, those kind of went out the window. I mean, you've got to learn on your own and do it with your own. long way. So, yeah, my daughter actually just like my wife. A lot of energy talking up a storm. My son's like me. Just be chilling. Don't say a word.

Easy going. So it's funny how that works out. That's hilarious. Callie has to be one of the most competitive people I've ever met in my life. Yeah. I mean, between Pelotan, she thinks she can beat me at Pelotan. She thinks she can beat you. I don't know. She probably do be beating you on Pelotan.

She's tough. She's been beating you. She's tough. Nah, she's close, but she ain't messing with me on the Pelotown. That's, nah, no, sir. You recently just did something with Pelotan, didn't you? Yeah, had a little deal with Pelotan a couple months ago. I had my own, I was a captain in one of the classes with Alex Tucson.

Yeah, it was a dope, dope experience. That's fire. I think when I saw that y'all were doing that, my back was messed up. I haven't been on the Peloton since December because I haven't been able to rock because they don't want me in a slouch position because I would love to do that. That's dope. But speaking to Cali, man, like,

tell me more about these debates y'all be having, bro, because I didn't got a text a couple times like, Seth said this, what are you thinking? I'm like, I think I might have agreed with you on both of them. And she's like, oh, both of y'all wrong. Yeah, yeah, coming from the family, she comes from, she's probably the most competitive. She got all brothers, obviously, Doc and the family.

they all athletes and they argue and compete about everything. So that's been carried over into my household. She talked more basketball than me, talk more sports than me. And I know, yeah, you already know how she is when it comes to arguments and being competitive. So that's something that we enjoy in the household. It's like a game that's just watching games arguing, competing in all types of ways. So it's a fun element. That's great, man.

That's incredible. Man, talk to me about Coach Kay. This is last season. And going out against North Carolina, bro, like, that's brutal, man. That's tough. Game 100 for all the Marvels, the last, I mean, the ACC championship and the Final Four. Like, man, talk to me about Coach K and the legacy, man.

Kay, my guy, man. It's tough. As former players and whatever, we just got to accept the L. and we see a Carolina player in the locker room. We got a shit. There ain't nothing we can say right now with taking the hell at home and then losing to him in the final four. But I think getting to the final four,

they held them down for the most part. It's tough to get to the final four, just to send them out on that stage. I know it's tough for those guys this year, but, I mean, Kay's my guy. He deserved all the accolades, all the credit. I mean, he made me into a big reason why I'm the man, the player I am today, gave me an opportunity to play there.

molding me, teach me about just the leadership, that competitive spirit, and just fitting into a team doing things that are bigger than yourself and fit into a team. So hopefully he can relax when he gets out of there. He's not still stressed out about being a coach, and he can relax and enjoy his time off. Yeah, no, he definitely deserves it, man. Gold for sure.

I had the opportunity to play for Kay in the Olympics. And I think in watching Duke over the years, I think him coaching the Olympic team made him a much better coach. I think it allowed him to adjust with the times. Like a lot of big-time college coaches, like, hey, they struggle to adjust with the times. I think Kay made that adjustment gracefully. And I think in large part due to him coaching the USA, team and you coach an NBA guys and you kind of got to let them go. Could you see that,

especially growing up in Carolina, you watched him for so long. Could you see that transition when he started coaching the Olympic team? Yeah, I agree 100%. I came in. So my first year, there was like 2010 right after he started to coaching the USA team. And he would always come back every summer, he would come back like a little bit of a different coach. You know what I'm saying? Just being around those guys, coaching those guys. He would come back with some different different elements to him, how to deal with us as players, how to adjust his culture style a little bit to adapt to the way we are. But he came back more energized more than anything.

Being around greats like that during the summer coaching the USA team, that rubbed off on him just the way he rubbed off on those guys. And that allowed his last 10, 12 years or whatever of being a Duke coach to go to another level, to see the recruits he brought in, See the way he coached him. I think that extended his career. No, 100%. Speaking of the next, y'all are currently in 10th place, which, I mean, I don't think it's neither here nor there.

I think there's a lot of things that's happened over the course of the season, whether you're talking about changing the team, or, I mean, not changing the team, but, like, that was a big change. James going to Philly, you and Ben, drumming going to. to the nets and kind of blending all that stuff back together. Like, 10 isn't indicative of the team that y'all have. I don't believe that. I do think in this playing situation,

y'all still going to get in. But where, like, how is it going to work every day? Is the mindset like, yo, we know once we get there that, you know, we can put it together or is it a little sense of panic? I was no panic. I mean, keep it a stack. Like, the reason we in 10 places, They went on like an 11, 12-game losing street

during the whole James thing. Kyrie was out, K.D. was out. So it's hard to bounce back from a 12-game losing streak and have a good position in the playoffs. But there's no panic. We obviously know we got some things to fix. We've got to be better defensively to win them. I don't know how good offensively you are.

You got to be able to get timely stops. You got to be able to shut teams down for periods of time to advancing the playoffs, no matter who you got on the team. but we know we got a lot of talent in our locker room. We know we got Katie and Kyrie who, when they step on the floor, they give you a chance against anybody no matter what. And as we go along, we're figuring out our roles. So hopefully we get a little bit more healthy going into the playing game,

into the playoffs. And like I said, we're confident as ever. We feel like we stack up well against anybody and we're ready to strap them up. Absolutely. I think, and speaking of the trade, to look at all that was going on and to see the positioning of the Brooklyn Nets

and then you look over and you see the position in the 76ers, I think that should add to Joel's MVP case. Ultimately, my MVP this year, my MVP pick is Devin Booker. With the way Book is playing, it's insane. They number, they number, one in the league by a long shot.

You can make your reasons, injuries, this, that, and another. They've had injuries just like everybody else had injuries. They dealt with COVID. But books play all years been consistent. So my pick is Devin Booker. But I think that has to make more of a case for Joel and how everything stayed together

no matter what was going on, because you can look on the opposite. And y'all are 40 and 38. You know, and so I think that makes it more of a case for him. What's your take on Joel, but the MVP conversation? as a whole. Joel is, I mean, he's a worthy MVP candidate.

Obviously, the numbers, he's putting up crazy. Like you said, he held us together about the times where he could have went a lot of different ways dealing with the Ben situation. He was stable every night. He showed up to play. And he was like, we got enough. He was the main guy. He got enough to win right now regardless.

But at the same time, I don't want, he wasn't doing it by himself in Philly. We got, it was a lot of town over there. You know what I'm saying? You got, you got some teammates that were rolling with him, that were playing well, playing as well as they ever played throughout the most of his regular season. So he went to doing it by himself, but I want to see Joe L. get one. He deserves.

He's put into work. He's gotten better. He's, he did a much better job these past couple years, taking care of his body, being available. And, yeah, he deserves, like I said, but let me see, you got guys like Yolkis, Janice who are consistent and doing it every night too. So it's going to be interesting to see who wins it.

Because you never know. Putting in the immediate hands, man, you never know which way they're going to go. Facts. And the reality is most, I wouldn't say most of the time, that would be a lot. But in a lot of situations, they go the wrong way. So I'll just leave that down. A lot of situations, they go the wrong way.

Yeah. But who you're a pick, though? You got to pick one. You can't give me the diplomatic. I want to see Joe get one, but Yon is consistent and Joker consistent. Who you're a pick for MVP? Man, give me, yeah, give Joe L. I'm going with Joelle, man.

Joel, like I said, he's turned it up. He's been consistent. He's improved, man. Like, if you go, if it's that close between three, three people who, like I said, Joel Jokic Janice's book Give me Joelle

his team's in a good spot And he had won one yet So give him one It ain't no fine science It ain't like somebody should win it It's no science to this So nothing's fat Another set in stone

So giving one he hadn't got one yet He deserves it man I can roll with that I think I think I think we've seen times Where awards has been won and you like, that dude won at a war because it was just a safe pick.

Like, you know, and they knew they could pick that and it'd be fine. Yeah, my problem is there's no criteria. Every year the criteria is a little different. Every year it's more stats driven, analytics driven. The next year it's best team, best player, you know what I'm saying? So I understand why book got a legitimate beef himself. No, I understand that too because, I mean, you're right. If you look at it, I think I think when Russ won MVP, they were like a seven or eight seat.

Yeah, they're a six seat. Yeah, like, no, granted, that roster wasn't great. Like, it was not a great roster by any stretch of their imagination. It wasn't a great roster, but it wasn't as bad as they made it seem when Kay left either. They had V. No, facts. They had Subonis. They had some guys over there too now.

Sabonis and it was young, though. Like, Sabonis was like his first and second year. Okay, okay. Vic was still, Vic was just leaving Orlando figuring himself out. Like, Vic really figured himself out for real, for real in Indiana. Like Orlando, he played good, like, he played good enough for us to know he was good. And then he got the OKC and it's like, all right. Like, all right, yeah, he's still good.

But then when he got to Indiana, he really took off. And so I think he also had those guys when they were a little younger as well, though. Yeah, I mean, listen, I ain't taking it under way. Russell was a monster that year. He had a season unlike any other. But it's giving it to a six, seven C, that don't happen a lot.

That's probably the first time I've ever seen it. So what's the set criteria? give me a set criteria that we live in by every single year so we can be consistent. I agree. I think something like that needs to happen just for the simple fact, like, you know, these are wars in like first team,

second team, third team, all NBA. Like, these things are deciding tens of millions of dollars. Like, you talk to some cases where guys have lost out on $40 million due to these things. and it's just somebody who could somebody could possibly be mad at like I don't really like him because he didn't get me an interview

I'm not going to vote and cost this man $40 million dollars. I've seen it happen bro. I think like you're 100% right there should be some type of criteria set for all of these

awards for all of these all NBA teams and stuff because you have human beings that has very little contact with said human beings. And when I say very little contact, I mean they don't have the contact

of someone in the front office that's ultimately deciding how much they pay you, right? The contract offer they give you. But you're having these human beings hold the power of essentially deciding how much

money someone can feed their family with. Yeah. And it's nothing it's nothing that says you have to go about it this way. These are the things that matter, fit someone into the square and that's who wins. It's nothing that says that I think that's ridiculous. Yeah, it don't make a lot of sense, man, at all. Somebody got, yeah, give me a set criteria

or just take it out their hand. Pay play is what you're going to plan, and that's it. Yeah, yeah, I think, I don't know, man. A lot of things would just leave bother me. I would just put it that way. I ain't going to get myself fine today. I'm going to just leave it at that. But I don't want to hold you for too much longer.

You got a tech last night. Say that, bro. I did get a tech last night, bro. You know why I got a tech last night, bro? Y'all up 20. Hold on, man. Hold on a man. Y'all up 20.

Hey, ain't you getting texts? What? I told the rough, I said, that was dead wrong. And he gave me a tech. I said, that was dead wrong. That's the second time I seen that happen to you, by the way, this shit. Where you were calm, you were just, you're talking, saying that crazy. He's talking in a loud voice, but you said nothing crazy.

And they gave you a tech. It's a second time I seen that happened to you this shit, man. It's crazy. It's crazy. And I try not to say I'm targeted. You know, I try not to say I'm targeted because I'm not, I don't have that victim mindset. I'm not a loser. I win.

So just to have a victim mindset, I'm not, I'm not that type of person. So I try not to make it like, oh, I'm being targeted, but I'm not a fucking idiot either. Like, I know two plus two equal four. Like, I'm not dumb. You start talking about, like, you know, there's human emotion involved in this. It's not like, again, there's some exact science that says, you say it X, Y, and Z, you get a tech. Like, there's human emotion involved in this.

And that's one of the things that kind of bothers me in the appeal process. It's like, it's no way possible I win 29 of, I win one of every 30 appeals. There's no way possible when there's human, like there's a human being deciding this. and there's no criteria really set for it, there's no way possible I lose every single appeal because, again, these are totally different human beings decide and the criteria it is. It has to be shifting one way or the other

depending on who the human being is. And yet you never win, it's impossible. And that's why I always say, I don't even appeal them anymore. You preach to the choir on the appeal process, man. They need to, I don't admit, they need to mic them up. And so they know the conversations that I had that warrant these texts. Because they just, I got one, before this season I got, they might be on something this year.

I got one tech in my career. It was for like an altercation, saying that crazy. And I remember that. I got three texts. I don't yell. I'm not having real legitimate conversations about a call or whatever. I got a tech. I got three texts this year.

And none of them are warned. But I don't know what's going on in the appeal process either. It's he said, she said, they can say whatever they want. And I'm not getting my money back. So that strikes a, it's like a little core than me. I'm saying it's crazy. I agree. I agree with 100% what you're saying they should be miced up.

Because all I asked for is just some accountability. Like, ultimately, it's like, bro, when I tell you, I used to go through this appeal process, bro, I used to keep a tally of all my texts. And I would write down exactly what happened in text, bro. And like, I would literally tell them like, no, I deserve that one. I deserve this one. Yeah, I 100% deserve.

I got my money's worth right here. This one, nope, this and this happened. I didn't deserve this one. This, yeah, I 100% deserved it. Like, I would be 100% honest because, I mean, at the end of the day, it's a little fine. I've been fined a million times, whatever. Like, it's not that that bothers me. It's the lack of accountability that bothers me.

It's one person get to say something and that's just that. That is a human being, bro. Human beings lie. Like, so this person just gets all the say and that's viable. Like, that's what's happening. That bothers me because you have no real shot at defending against anything that's being portrayed on you. Like you have no real chance. you're appealing to the same group that, that gave you a fine,

that, like, give you these texts. You're appealing to the same people. Like, bring in a mediator, like, an outside counsel that appeal these things. Mike the referees up because accountability is an issue. Same thing with the replay process. Like, they make this call, and then they review their call. So if it's, there ain't nobody keeping, nobody else reviewing their call for them. they got an ego themselves.

They don't want to admit in the heat of the bump map moment in the game that they made a mistake. So they're going to find any angle to say I made the right call on the fly. I don't understand why. It should be pretty easy to have another outside referee review this call and make the right decision. I agree. Right. Bro. Last night, same same issue.

I got a tech for vertical. I mean, I got a file call. for verticality. I go vertical. Dude jump into my body this way. So when he hit my body on this side, this arm come down. Yeah.

The rougher retails me on the file car. You weren't vertical. You were sliding into the space. They go to the monitor, but call the foul on my arm coming down, I wasn't sliding into the space. No, we challenged that your car was wrong, bro. because there's no way you can see this arm on this side.

Actually, if you could see the arm on this side, him hitting this side of my body brought my body down. I went straight up. And even when my arm came down, it came down straight because it's just my body collapsing from taking the hit to my midsection. Yeah. But that doesn't make me an illegal defender

because the dude hit me in my midsection. Like, naturally, your body is going to, to do this. And so what you called the file on me for, you go into the replay and saying, oh, but you did do that. Well, we can say that about any call in the history of the NBA.

I don't know, man. Some of these things, I feel like they just be like checking the box and they really ain't like to the benefit of the game. Yeah, it's human. It's humans with no accountability. Yeah, no accountability. It's all the end of the day, man.

Just accountability. like it is on us every night. Absolutely. Hey, now, just before we get out of here, man, what last thing I'm asking is, what is it for you at the end of your career where you can look back and say,

like some of the things that you still want to accomplish that you can look back and say, I check that box off, I'm cool with riding off into the sunset. You know, like, I think in our careers, I think we all have some things that we chase where you like, all right, when I do X, Y, and Z, at that point,

I'm truly just playing for the love of the game. Like, I've checked all the boxes. I want to check as a competitor. What is that for you? For me, man, I'm not really a goal, write a goal and check it off list. I'm a process type person. I wake up every day,

try to make the most of it. And at the end of the season, I know if I approach stuff the right way. So it's hard for me to say, I want to do this. I want to do this. I want to do this. I want, you know, that's not the way I approach it.

I'm the daily basis. That's not the way I got here. So for me, it's about making them most of every day, approaching every day, every week the right way. And when I look back, I know with them myself, if I accomplished everything I could accomplish with my skill set, with my opportunities, and that is what it is. It's just about, I know within myself and I feel if I did it the right way or not.

So something I got to live with, and so far it's been working out. out for me to this point. I lie, one final question. The Brooklyn Nets has to do what to win the championship this year? Oh, that's a good question. To win the championship, we got to, we got to jail. We got to come together as a team and offensively and defensively do everything together. I mean, like you said, it's a new group, middle of the season.

We got two, three new starters. Everybody's getting to know each other. Kai just came back full time. A lot of guys come back from injury. We got to do it together. Like I said earlier, we got a talented team, a lot of firepower, but in the playoffs, everybody got that. So you got to jail, you got to come together,

and it's going to be some adversity, like we're dealing with now, but we're really a team. We've got to fight through it. No doubt, no doubt. My brother, I appreciate you coming on, man. It's an honor and a pleasure. Like I said at the top of the show, man. I know we don't talk often, but, you know, I'll put stuff on Instagram story here and there.

Yeah. But, like, I respect your grind, bro. I think where you are in your career and the route that you've gone. And like I said, I always tell, like, try to tell younger guys and, like, second round picks and undrafted guys, like, I identify more with those guys than I do the stars. Like, I came in this thing as a second round pick. Nobody gave me a chance. We start winning and my path changed. You know what I'm saying?

I identify with guys like you and, like, myself, that really had to get it out of the mud and nobody gave us shit coming into this league. And to see where you've taken your career, bro, in spite of battle in the name, Curry, like most people think, that's a badge of honor. And obviously all our last names are a battle. of honor, but people just think that's a golden ticket.

And I know the battle that that brought for you because I watched it. You know what I watched you come play well in the NBA and end up back in the G-League because somebody really don't want to take the chance because your last name, Curry and you and our stuff. Like, that's dumb as hell. And so I've seen that. And I just wanted to say, bro, I appreciate your game. It's been an honor to watch you grow, bro, and keep going, my dog.

Yes, I appreciate. Hey, before I get out of here, I want to say everything you're doing, man. Keep going. Love to see it. Love to see you. You're one of my favorite people to compete against, too. I remember a few years ago I was in Portland. You came into the game.

You was talking shit to me. And I was loving it, man. You was talking shit. I was like, I might be here now. I might be making a little mark. Draymond talked some shit to me trying to get in my head during the game. I'm doing something right, man. Absolutely.

Absolutely. I tell y'all what, man. This is one of the one guys in this league. that I can honestly say, I mean, if we play in the NBA finals, I may have to lay you out because of this. But this is one of the one guys in the league. Steph don't kill me for this.

They get the better of Steph. I'm just throwing that out there. I don't know. Y'all going to watch the matchups. I'm just throwing that out there. This is the one guy who we be playing against, and I just can't come close, line him, and he's come getting the better of stuff.

Now, I don't like it. I don't like it. I don't like it. We were talking crazy. one game in a, I might have been in the playoffs in Portland or whatever, one game. We were talking crazy at the free throw line. And I'm not, Steph, I'll talk back to you. I like, I enjoy it, you know what I'm saying?

I ain't going to just go play my game. I'm going to, I'm going to say my piece. Step was at the free throw line. Like, in between us, he was acting all awkward. He ain't know what to do. I was a brother. You his guy, he'd been going to war with for 10 years. He and Steph ain't know what to do with the line.

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