The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show - Suns/Warriors breakdown, Klay's comeback, and an Andre Iguodala Interview

Episode Date: December 2, 2021

In the third episode of ‘The Draymond Green Show’ Dray details the Warriors 104-96 loss to the Suns, what he’s most excited about for Klay Thompson’s return, and Boogie Cousins signing with the Milwaukee Bucks before welcoming Andre Iguodala to discuss their time playing together as well as Andre’s venture capitalist experience. Finally, Dray shares his thoughts on Virgil Abloh’s tragic passing.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and what you'll find even more interesting on this episode, Venture Capitalist, my teammate, Andre Guadala. But first, we are going to talk about last night's game, the Warriors versus the Sons, which I guess people may have enjoyed it. I didn't quite enjoy it that much, but nonetheless I did enjoy the atmosphere. It was an incredible atmosphere. It was playoff-like atmosphere.

And, you know, it's the ones that you love to play in and you get up for, obviously, Tuesday night in the association, number one versus number two in the West, in the NBA, actually. you know, a matchup that we could definitely see sometime down the line in May. So it was a very important game. Obviously, Phoenix took the game.

My assessments on the game, I think, number one, you got to get Phoenix a lot of credit. Their defense was very stellar last night. I think they did an incredible job on everybody, making it tough. They made the plays they needed to make down the stretch offensively. And in saying all of that, we were on a road with 23 turnovers, 23, 24 turnovers.

And yet with two and a half minutes to go, I had a left-hand layup streaking down the middle of the floor with a chance to cut it to one. And so in saying that, I love where we are still as a team. I think I'm not sure you will find a game where myself, Steph and Wiggs, will play worse than we played last night. and like I said, we still had a chance to win that game right down the stretch three minutes to go. Got to give a lot of credit to Chris Paul. He did what Chris Paul does. He carries his teams.

Deep Book went out towards the end of the first half, and Chris Paul just did what he does. He carries teams, he makes timely plays, he gets everybody involved. He picks and chooses when he needs to get his shot going, and he did that last night. And one thing about Chris Paul that's interesting and other guys in this league is,

When you talk about winners, we all tend to turn to the guys who's won championships. And don't get me wrong, winning championships is extremely important. Like, you want to win championships. You play sports, you want to win championships. It's the holy grill. It's what we're all playing for. You want to be the last team standing. But Chris Paul is one of those guys that's interesting where he has not won a championship.

Last year was his first year, year 16, I think, of playing in the NBA finals. but I personally think Chris Paul is a winner. Like he wins year in, year out. I mean, they sent him to OKC to pretty much lie on his deathbed. Not only did he not lie on his deathbed, he took that team to the playoffs. Because he did so well, Sam Presti worked with him to get him to a situation

that he wanted to be in, and now we see what he's doing with the Phoenix squad. So that's just an interesting thought that I have when I'm just sitting and dissecting basketball, dissecting careers, dissecting resumes. That's one that's always interesting for me. Like I said, that's Chris Paul. But that's not only Chris Paul.

There are other guys in this league who, Jimmy Butler, who's won everywhere he's gone. Never won a championship, but he's a winner. Like he's won, he's made teams win everywhere he's gone. And so, you know, that's just an interesting thing to me. especially when you get into the debate of Hall of Fame and all-time grades and NBA 75 lists, all of these things. That's an interesting one for me.

But like I said, back to the game, I thought our defense was pretty good. In the first half, I thought we could have definitely cleaned up some things. And then obviously in the second half as well. But again, it all goes back to you have 23 turnovers. Can you get your defense set? Like, how many times do we get a chance to actually set our defense? You couple that with the shoot nights that we had, you're kind of in transition on night. And so I like where our defense is.

I think we'll continue to get better. And I think for the most part, like I said, with all of that that went on last night, we still gave up 104 points. And granted, they didn't have D-Book in the second half. But that's a good basketball team, you know, and they just keep it rolling. And that's what they did last night. DeAndre Aden played really well. I thought he was extremely aggressive from the very beginning of the game.

He continued that on throughout the entire game. He had a really good game. Jay Crowder had a good game, struggle with. He had a couple threes in the first quarter, and then it was in foul trouble for pretty much the rest of the half. But hit some big threes in that second half last night. that kind of cataported them to the wind. So, you know, they had a mixture of guys playing well. McKell Bridges defensively was an animal.

I mean, he was incredible defensively. All their guys were really good defensively. They were really good defensively as a team. But McKell Bridges, who was the head of the snake for them, I thought he did an incredible job defensively of just chasing stuff around, being in passing lanes, clogging up the lane when he had the opportunity. I thought he did a really good job.

That takes us to Friday's match up, which I am obviously excited about, home to home. They were home. Now we got an opportunity to them coming in our house. You never want to lose two in a row, so you want to write the ship. Our guys also know what they expect now, although I thought guys really stepped up to the challenge.

But you've seen this team now, you know what they expect, and coming back Friday, we expect a better outcome. And also in this weekend, NBA news but Warriors news, We got a chance to see Clay Thompson. You know, I know everyone's seeing the highlights flying around from him scrimaging with Santa Cruz Warriors. And man, was it beautiful and exciting to see him moving the way he's moving, shooting the ball the way he was shooting it?

But more importantly, seeing him happy, seeing him with a smile on his face because he's getting an opportunity to, again, to do what he loves to do, which is play basketball. play Thompson. He loves playing basketball. He loves Rocco, and now he loves his boat. And, you know, we all saw him last week sitting on the bench with a towel on his over his head after the game and just having a moment. And we all sympathize with him. And saying that, like I said, and seeing him back on the court this week in action and actually playing and competing Such a beautiful thing. It definitely gets us even more excited to get him back into the fold,

one step closer to having our full team and really making a run at this thing. Like I said, it feels good. The vibe around the team feels right from the front office to the ownership group, the front office to coach style, players, training style, video style. It just feels great. And obviously, winning helps, winning cures all, as we like to say in this business. But it's a beautiful thing. So looking forward to the problem of incorporating Clay back into the lineup.

You know, we obviously have started off great, and that's a great problem to have. Incorporating a Hall of Famer, an NBA champion, one of the best snipers we've ever seen in NBA history, one of the better two-way players we've seen in a long time. I can't wait to add him back to the fold. And obviously, you know, as a facilitator, pastor's paradise just get better. So I am thrilled and was extremely thrilled and happy to see those highlights as we all got a chance to see this weekend

and just him really doing his thing and looking like Clay Thompson. Obviously, I'm not expecting him to come back and hit his first shots. When he returns, I am not expecting him to come. back and even look as great as he did the other day, although that's what we witnessed, because I just don't think it's fair to put those expectations on him and the road that he's had. You let him gracefully return and come into his own as his body allows. And so that's what I'm looking forward to.

Like I said, it was beautiful and exciting to see on social media. And they had obviously showed us the clips before they hit social media, but it was beautiful to see. I'm extremely happy for him and happy for everyone who's affected by that. You know, you always hear people say, come up to us and say, man, I've been through some tough times, but the one constant in my life

is the Warriors has brought happiness to my household. You know, and so all the people that's been affected by that, you know, and you have great success and you do things in the community and people really draw an attachment to you. And when you draw that attachment, and you have that attachment, Clay Thompson has done a lot for this community, a lot for this organization.

When he go down, you feel that. You know, and so I'm happy for everyone involved, but most importantly to Clay, for Clay, who's been the one who's had to endure the rehab sessions, the pain, the surgeries, the doubt. You know, I'm extremely happy for him. Couldn't be more thrilled. I'm curious about what you said,

how it's an interesting problem to have incorporating Clay back to this roster. Because assuming Clay is coming back as a starter, which I feel like is a fair assumption, that means either Jordan Poole or if you guys go small, Kavon Looney or going to the bench, which is an interesting situation to have, especially considering how well Jordan's been playing. So how does how do you anticipate that working for Jordan, assuming he's the guy that's going to be moved to the bench? Do you anticipate him having any trouble with that? I feel like it works as him in a six-man role, but still,

pretty big change. It's definitely a big change. I think no matter what, and I say this with my analyst hat on, my podcast host hat on, not from my actual being as the basketball players that does play for this team, I say this strictly from just a basketball standpoint and not having any knowledge on the situation because it's not something that we've spoke about. myself as a leader of this team with Coach Kerr or with Coach Kerr just amongst the rest of the team like that it hasn't been mentioned once and so I don't have any more knowledge other than what I think could possibly happen which is what you just said um does Jordan move to the six man uh what I do know is and I don't I don't notice because someone's told me I notice because I'm not an idiot whether Jordan's coming off the bench or or or start, he's going to play 30 minutes a night. And so that's going to remain constant

regardless. Does he continues to start? Do we go small and move me to the five and Kvind moves to the bench? I'm not sure what that looks like because obviously Loon isn't scoring 30 on a given night

or 20 on a given night like Jordan is but he is extremely important to our lineup. What he does on the defensive end is incredible. And what he does as a screener on the offensive end is incredible. And so, you know, one of those guys that just always in the right place know what to do, cover for other guys, just really has a thorough understanding of the game. If Kavana was to move to the bench and then I moved to the five, that also changes our defensive lineups as well.

You know, and so I think there's a lot that needs to happen. I think Coach Kerr will definitely tinker with the lineup some because you have to figure it out, right? You have to figure out like what's best, like what's our best lineup? And by the way, you may then figure out that our best lineup, we don't want to start the game with that lineup. Like there are so many things as a coach in directions that you can go. But as I said, that's a good problem to have.

And when I say good problem to have as far as incorporating Clay back into the lineup, that's because one thing that we do have is depth. And we've shown that throughout the course of this year. So that changes the rotations. You know, with Clay coming back, it's just naturally going to change the rotations. And so when I say the problem of incorporating him back into the lineup, by all means, don't ever think it's a bad problem.

It is a problem that we have to face because now you have to change rotations, you have to then figure out which lineups works with the way that you want the rotations to flow. And so it's not just like, oh, you plug him back in and things are just what they were. Like, you have to do some figuring out. And so when I say good problem, that's what I mean. It's just like we have some things to figure out once he gets back. And that's the good issue.

And other news around the association, we have a brother of mine, a close friend, a guy who I want to go medalist with, DeMarcus Boogie Cousins, signing with the Milwaukee Bucks. I am extremely thrilled for him to sign with the Bucks because cousins had a tough goal since the injuries. And obviously that's something that none of us can forecast. Obviously, that's something that we all face the risk of

and playing and doing what we do. And you never want to see a guy. go down to injuries, which has changed, of course, his career. But to see him get another opportunity to continue to show that he's still an NBA player, as I think he's shown in each stop that he's had over the last couple of years, is that he's still an NBA player. No, he's not DeMarcus cousins that's still getting 30 and 20, but he's still DeMarcus cousins that can be more productive than a lot of big men that are in the league.

So to see him get the opportunity to go to the defending champs and just be DeMarcus. Play his game. Obviously, I mean, even with the clippers, you can see the growth in him as a player, not getting technical files like he was, not getting hung up on things that he can't really change, just playing his game. And so to see him with the opportunity with the bucks,

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That's 1,800flowers.com slash tune in. I am honored today to be sharing in this podcast and this episode with one of my favorite teammates of all the time, a guy who, you know, you always hear about myself, Steph and Clay and us three being together for all of those years. And often when I am asked about that, I often say, yeah, I's three, which is true. We've all grown together. We've come into ourselves together, you know, and just started from the bottom and all worked our way to the top together. But the one guy that I always mentioned in that is the guy who kind of showed us the way, who came on and was the veteran to adding the veteran to us young guys who kind of had a good thing blossoming. And then we add Andre and everything takes off.

So I am honored to have to share today with you guys. Just a conversation between myself, a big brother of mine, the guy who, you know, you've always heard of Drayman's the leader, the guy who I turn to when I don't know where to turn throughout this whole run. Andre, my brother, thank you for coming on, man. No, I appreciate you having me, man. And I'm just really proud of you of what you feel for yourself. it's very rare that, you know, players actually build something with a real foundation to it off the court.

So it's a beautiful thing. Even going back to our conversation that Bob Myers has happened to you last night, like, you know, I won't say what he said, but, you know, that meant a lot to me that he was comfortable having that conversation with you, but it just shows how he feels about you in terms of like your, your ability to do things, your potential outside the game of basketball, which is tremendous. So it's a beautiful thing to see. I appreciate that. You know, I am excited to have you on the show for reasons that I don't think most people are going to expect.

And we'll get to that. But obviously, first, we'll kick it off. You know, your first year back with the Warriors after being gone for two years, two years, two worst years of my career, might I add. You know, but you left, you were traded, and then you signed, you didn't go to Grizzlies. But then you got traded to Miami, signed the extension, went to the NBA finals, the first year, was having a good year last year and obviously it ended short for y'all. But now you're back. What brought you back to the Warriors?

Man, I think it was just, it was a really good experience, you know, seeing something on the other end of the spectrum, you know, and seeing how you can have success on both sides, you know, how our environment is a little bit more relaxed, you know, a little bit, you know, more, you know, it's got some hippie vibes to it, you know, go as you please, at your own pace. And then Miami is kind of like, you know, straight and narrow, you know, everybody in formation.

And, you know, I saw, I could see weaknesses. Weaknesses in both because both have, both have had a lot of success. You know, Pat Riley is probably one of the most successful, you know, player coaches, GMs, in NBA history. He's done it at every level. And, you know, we had success here and I saw some balls here. And just being at those two places, I try to take a step back and see, you know, appreciate the value and their approach on both sides. And when I was there, I saw some things we did

with the warriors that I can, you know, bring to some of the players to the team. You know, some guys may not be as mentally strong at their young age and, you know, nudged them and get them to, you know, smile open up a little bit. But then, you know, you know, coming back, you know, I didn't know my body was going to feel as good as it did at the end last year. You know, I thought maybe that might be it. You know, you never know when the end is coming. But I thought, you know, the body reacted better than I thought. And it'd be a beautiful thing to, you know, go back and play with my brothers and seeing what I saw in Miami and how I could kind of bring that out of value. And it's kind of like who you are. You know, it's funny.

It's like, you know, you're so brash and you're like so competitive and you had that fire. and, you know, that's the heat culture. And I was able to appreciate that even more going there. I'm like, damn, you know, they, the dream mind's even more valuable than I thought. And I saw it up close every day. So, you know, now you see me now when you go off on people, and I'm just like, he got a point. Like, I can't really argue with that. You know what I mean?

Because I've seen like there's a lot of value in that, especially in our environment, with coaching powers, all the guys just play with, you know, and think freely and think more than themselves. And sometimes I can bite you in. the butt so you got to have to kind of have to reel it back in but still give them the confidence to go out there and execute at a high level so i just thought it was you know perfect timing you know still got some time left to come back and why not end it you know with my brothers and you know what better way to start it than the way we have so far i i think i definitely see obviously we all know your experience and what you bring to the table uh from previous years but i also see

growth in your leadership and handling young guys. Because, you know, for us, at first, like when we were first going through our run, we were the young guys, right? Like, and it was totally different than the young guys of today. But, you know, I think, you know, there's no secret that, you know, the Warriors are kind of in this space of mixing experience and younger talent and blending the two together and trying to make both, both, it is going incredible. As we know, I'm sitting here at 18 and 3 after last night's loss,

which we'll talk about. But it's going great. And I've been watching you a lot just because I'm always trying to learn and always observing and just trying to keep a pulse and understand what's going on. And just the way that you handle these young guys is even different than I saw you handle a Jacob Evans, you know, even different than I saw you. And I saw you. You know, even different than I saw you handle a Namayanovich. You know, like, it's the way you are with the guys are different. And I think it can probably be contributed to some of your dealings with Tyler, a hero, and having to handle him, Duncan.

You know, so here it is, you got Jimmy, you got Bam, who's a, Bam is like debuked me. Like, they're kind of young OGs, like young, but, you know, experience and understands a little more. And so not quite Bam, but, like, Tyler, and Duncan is more so in the Jordan Pool category, you know, and guys of that nature. And you're handling them a little differently than you did before.

It's 100% true. I think I've learned and I've tried to learn through every experience that I had. You know, like I made some mistakes in the past. And I think that's the biggest part of it. And then I got people around me that will, you know, like, you know, Rudy's my man. But he'll flat out tell me like, you know, you're full of shit. like you're not being a leader right now. You know, you're supposed to do this and that.

And I'll accept it and then go back and say what could I have done differently. And I think it's just helped me. You know, even with, you know, our runs from, you know, 14 to 19, 15 to 19, some things I got wrong. And then I would retrace my steps and say, okay, next time that comes up, I know how to handle it. So, like, Jordan Poole was like one of my favorite guys. And, you know, he's an emotional player. And I was an emotional player. So sometimes I got to place myself in his shoes and it was like, he wants to win.

He's trying to get his stuff off. And you're like, sometimes you tell him something and he may not react the right way. But I have to look at myself at 22. I was reacting kind of the same way. So I took, I was like, okay, put yourself in his shoes. And I think I'll try to do that more so than any other time just seeing it from my perception. He's just trying to see it in his view and say, okay, how would I want Kevin Ali? How would I want Aaron McKee to help me in no situation?

situation. So patience is a big part of it. But I think over time, they start understanding that you really rock with them. Like, no, bro. Like, I really love you. Like, you're really my man, like for life now. And then once you get past that barrier, then they're open to any type of, you know, constructive criticism. Yeah, it's incredible. Like I said, I've been, I've been watching that and just trying to pick up on it. You know, I think one big thing for me is, and Jonathan Caminger, who's obviously one of our young guys, a seven pick. is I'm trying to take it up on myself to do all that I can to make sure he has the success that he should have. You know, you have a kid who, if I'm not mistaken, come over from the Congo at 13 years old, you know, and his journey is well documented, so I'm not going to sit here and go through his journey.

But now at 19, he's in the NBA. You know, he has probably making $3.5 million a year. And... No, man, he had like five. It's a lot. Making a lot of money. But I'm trying to take it up on myself to figure out how is it that I have to lead him, right? And I think one of the things for me and that I'm figuring out with that is like,

Jonathan Camiga's not really a peer of mine. Right. He's 12 years younger than me. And I'm 31 years old. 19 years old, he's not really my peer. Right. And one of the things that I've been trying to do is when dealing with JK, view him more as my child than my brother.

You know, like, view him more as or a younger brother than a brother that I'm a hang with that I grew up with, right? Right, right. View him more in that light as opposed to the light that I would view you in. You know, so the way I may say something to you, I probably can't say that to him because I wouldn't say that to DJ, right? Right, right, right. And so that's something, and it's in a adjustment for me because,

how I am 31 years old now, the last two years, we've sucked bad, and as opposed to leading guys to where they need to go in their career, you're just trying to teach them how to win games. Like, losing is miserable, and you're just trying to, And so there are certain things that gets lost within that. And I'm starting to figure that out with JK and really trying to teach him everything that I can to see him how to success they should have. And then you have a young guy like Moses, who is one of those old souls, right? Yep.

Just temperament is different. Like temperament is just like he's been in the league forever. Yep. Just kind of moves around a little differently. And so the contrast is there. But speaking of the young guys and our team, you obviously sat out last night. I think you've missed the last five or six games.

What was your assessment? Because I know what my assessment was in last night's game and how much better we could have been and how much better we will be. But what was your assessment and what went wrong in that game? So I said it to Juan in like the second quarter because the second half I was getting treatment.

So I was in the back watching from the team. first half I was up there up close. I was seeing every play we were writing down, seeing the coach of so what we were doing. You know, like, the first thing I noticed was the atmosphere. And now we're getting back to the old ways of everywhere we go, the atmosphere is going to be just like that, which was incredible. So now you get to see, like, every team's going to play their best.

And as you know, when we get everybody's best, we will be the best prepared team come playoffs because we have the best experience. So I always get, that's the people at a time. I'm like, yo, I like playing. Like, we might lose more games than we should have. Like, maybe we have 20 losses.

And I'm like, oh, we should only have 15. We have five games. I'm like, no, we got the best of everybody every night. We are the most prepared going into the playoffs. So I enjoy that. But you also get to see what type of guys step up to the challenge or you get to see their energy when it's a big game.

And I saw Auto Porter. well, he looked like he was ready. Like he got in the game, first shot, bang, missed the shot. He was like, I can't wait till next shot come. I ain't missing. And he just kept hitting timely shots. He kept the game right within, you know,

a basque, a possession or two force, a whole night. First half, I thought, you know, it was kind of like a filling out process. I like the Phoenix. I like their energy coming into the game. Like, it was like a play-out game to them. And I don't think, not to say that we didn't match their energy,

I felt like we did a good job. but rise into that quicker than we normally have. Because you know how we are. We get free flowing and, you know, we mess around and be down 15. We've been down 12 or more like six times this year, seven times this year and came back and won them all. And we didn't let that happen because it's like, oh, this is like a playoff game. Second, third possession, like, let's rise to the occasion.

So everybody kind of stepped it up. I think second half is we kind of let it go a little bit. We start letting them get comfortable. We start letting a few guys get to their dominant hand. As I was talking about, the text change is more. morning. We let him get to his dominant hand and he start controlling the game the way he does everywhere he's gone and he's, you know, the ultimate competitor and he knows how to win. And then, you know, offensive rebounds killed us in the first half. Obviously, our Achilles Hill is

turnovers. You know, we had some, we had like live ball turnovers. Like I always say when a young guys going into the games, look, man, we have 15, 20, we can't lose. If you just let the shot clock go to zero every possession, we still win by 10. But don't take quick dumb shots and don't turn it over. And last night, you know, we never really got to a great look. You know what I'm saying? We did have a few, like you had a few layups that you've been making all year. And you push the pace and you've been finishing them amazing.

And I'm watching you practice. I'm like, damn, that's just going to be big time. It just didn't happen for us last night. Steph just, you know, stuff just didn't have his normal legs. Because even he said, I saw one shot. I'm like, that's good. It was an air ball. Then he shot another shot.

He was like, that's good. He was like, damn, I was an air ball. I thought I was making it. Yeah. Had those nights in the NBA. I think we could have did it more of split cuts. That was the key. We could have made them move a little bit different than what we've been showing them.

Because as you know, when we had KD, we had a cheat code. We needed to just get out of his way. You know, and the next level for us is we get a little stagnant. We take some quick shots. We rely on jump shots. We can get to our split cuts, you know what I'm saying? Especially when Big fella gets back. which is, we're talking about the young fellas,

I can't wait to simplify his game. I think that's a major stepping stone for Wiseman is simplifying the game of basketball. And once you simplify it, that's when everything else opens up instead of trying to do everything at one time. It's like a startup. You got to focus on one little thing

and then grow up from there. So I told Juan in the second quarter, I'm like, bro, we have so far to go. And we're still like, we're still, one of the best teams, top two, three teams in the league. Like, it's scary, but it's not giving. Like, we got to go get it. So, yeah, I agree 100%.

I think, you know, like you said, in that game, I'm not sure who was worse, Steph or myself. We were both pretty bad. Wiggins probably being a little better than us two were. And yet, with two minutes and 40 seconds left, I got a left-hand layup to cut the lead to one. Yep. So I like where we are.

Also, like you said, I love the way that guys rose to the occasion because I'm not going to play that bad. Steph's not going to play that bad. Wiggs is not going to play that bad. When Jordan Poole came out hitting shots, like he was hitting shots, I kept saying literally every shot of hit, show up, young fella? Yep, yep, yep.

He's like, yeah. Yep. Show up, young fella? Yep. Yeah. And he just let the game come to him. He didn't take any crazy. He might have had one shot where we like,

there go that George Poo shot. But he was like, on point. He got to the final line. That's what I've been on him about this whole year. It's like, yo, when you making shots, you should get to the lines. You should have six free throw attempts because you make a shot, they own you.

And he was just very patient. One time it was three seconds on the clock. He pumped fake. Then it got past him, took a breath, shot it right before the buzz. And I'm like, normally he would have rushed it. I'm like, yo, I'm just seeing growth and more growth. Yes.

He always came in and hit a big three. Yeah. We got, like, that's one issue we have. That's not an issue with just our depth. And then that's something that Phoenix has as well. So it would be interesting to see how, you know, we match up come April. Yeah, no, that was, that's great. And as I said before, you coming on this show,

that was part of me that wants to hear even, or wants to hear more of this than basketball. And that is Andre, he, basketball is like his half-day job. but he's a venture capitalist and probably spends more time on that today than basketball just for the simple

fat when you look at managing your body right like you're not on the court all day every day like you were when you were 24 years old you're more precise than what you do okay I'm getting on the court I'm going hard for one hour

that's it you know I'm making my lift I'm doing my body work but when you're a venture capitalist when you and the way that you are moving in that space, like that's a 24-hour thing. You know, like, you're sending emails if you're awake at 1 a.m. And that doesn't stop.

But I have had the opportunity to learn a ton from you and watch all the moves that you're making in that space. And I think it's incredible. But one of the things that I really wanted you to come on and educate me on, and not only myself, but our audience as well, is you've gotten really deep into the NFTs space.

Tell us more about that. Explain NFTs for our audience that don't know what the NFT is. And then also just tell me more about you in that space and what it is that you see going forward and why you're so interested into the space and how long have you been at it? So, I mean, to try to break it down, you know,

as quickly as possible, because it's a rabbit hole. And I'm in discords. I was on Discord today for 45 minutes. People are like, yo, you really in here. Like, yeah, I'm studying. So NFT is, you know, non-fungible token. So essentially think of as a digital collectible. You know, like we collect so many things, you know.

I tell people at a time, like Warren Buffett is one of the wealthiest people on earth because he started collecting stamps and coins at like age four or five. Like he had a passion for collecting coins, which is currency. So just like we enjoy immersing ourselves in the game of basketball and studying basketball, he studied money. And then he had an uncle who traded on the stockroom floor and his pops was in politics and, you know, with policy and how money moves, taxes, all those things. Like, that was his world. So it was no surprise that he just, he just accumulated a lot of wealth.

So we accumulate different things in different worlds. You know, how did eBay start? eBay started with collecting beanie babies. You know what I mean? And then Amazon started with people who were just lovers of books. Yeah. They were able to scale those platforms out into, you know, some of the e-commerce we talk about today is, you know,

everybody's going into the e-commerce space and from different ways. So NFTs is similar in terms of, you know, you're collecting things digitally. So it started out with NBA Top Shot. I got a call from, I forgot who it was. You know, it's an interesting company. This is a great founder who has a great track record of starting up companies in this manner. And obviously, like Javelle McGee, got to give him a lot of credit. You know, people know him as Javelle McGee,

but as you know, like, this dude is one of the high IQ guys on the planet. Not just an NBA, but this dude is smart. So he was talking about- Super smart. Bitcoin was like, $9,000, and he was like, yo, it's going to get to $15,000, get some Bitcoin. And I'm like, I ain't really ready yet. You know, the thing just got to 65, you know, this past summer. We all know what's happening. But, you know, when you talk about cryptocurrencies and a blockchain and how that whole space works with the ledger, which is your receipts,

everything works more efficiently. everything's more accountable. You know, they figured out that they would start in the financial sector in terms of introducing the blockchain because they knew if they can get the finance side right, everything else would follow behind it. It's just like eBay started with Beanie Babies and everything came behind it. So that's just this entry to market. And NBA Topshot obviously was big for the, not just NBA, but not just MBA before in a T-space

because people were very excited to start, you know, collecting moments. This is like a trading car. So people was like, well, I can just go. screenshot an image on my phone, what's the difference? And I'm like, yeah, you can print a picture off your printer. That don't mean you own the actual trading card, you know, and it shows who owns it on the ledger. So there's actually a receipt say, I own this.

So there's many different things you can do with owning a digital asset. You know, one thing that artists, they make more money in the NFT space than painting a picture. You know, Picasso paints a picture, sells it one time. And, you know, most artists don't make money while they're alive. They sell that picture one time, and that's the only time they make money off of it. Well, actually, NFTs, there's a 6% fee every time it's being moved. So the artist gets paid even though they don't own that picture throughout its course of its life. And then, you know, obviously you've got trust, which goes in the Dow's,

which is a whole, another rabbit hole on the ledger in the blockchain space. That's key, too. You know, you got a few, like Spencer Denwoody is just amazing when he speaks on it. He's heavily into the, he wanted to get paid in, he wanted his whole NBA contract in a crypto, which you can't do, but there's a way to do it. You know, I'm working on something right now where I could be compensated through Bitcoin. So you see how far I digress because it's so immersive. But the NFT space right now is a lot of digital images. It's a lot of, it's almost like a secret society.

You look at boarded yacht clubs. It's like, why would I buy a picture of a gorilla for $500,000? And it's almost like its own secret society where you get access to a certain club in Miami, L.A., New York. Like, you got to have this. Your phone is your wallet, and it shows you own it, and it shows it one ledger. Like, I get access to this party. Or I get access to all the merch first. You know, it's like a pair of Jordans, you know, they make 10,000 pairs of Jordans.

And you know, it's 350 million. people in America and in 50 million sneaker heads. It's only 10,000 shoes. So people buy them up and then they resell them because it's just a hot commodity to have. It's the same thing. It's just a pair of shoes. You know what I mean? It's going to wear out. What's you going to do? Just leaving there. You can't wear them. They lose its value. Same thing with the, you know, people like collecting digital photos that other people don't have. It kind of shows your social economic status within the economy or within our worlds we live in. And that's what it's eventually going to go to where you're talking about the

Metaverse, we're talking about Web 3.0, where we're all going to exist in this virtual world and we're going to express ourselves through our avatar. So your avatar is going to be like, you know, the person that people see. You know, we're going to slowly start away from each other and then just coming back in small groups. But we're all going to like Microsoft is big on the workspace metaverse where you can work for home, but you put the headset on, but you see see your coworkers working in real time and your surroundings look a little different. It's not home

because, you know, there's that layer that thinks you're at work. And then Facebook, which is called meta now, they just put up, they spent like 10 billion this year already in the space, which tells you everything you need to know. When these large companies start pumping out billions of dollars into a space, you know, it's like the innovative dilemma, but it's not because they know it was coming. They've disrupted so many different things. They know something's going to come after them, so they got to be ready for hits them. And, you know, Square just changed this name. Jack Dorsey, you know, he was CEO of Twitter and Square.

He just changed the name of Square, which is one of the largest fintech companies in the world to block, which is, you know, blockchain. So it's just moving so crazy and we're just trying to stay ahead of it. And it's exciting, you know, it's a laughing out say. You know, it started with WebPoint O, which was, you know, platforms creating and publishing and monetizing. and owning everything. And then Web 2.0, which is where in right now. You see traders are creating everything, you know, but we create content and where does it go? It goes to Facebook.

It goes to Instagram. It goes to TikTok. And we don't participate in that value at the same way, you know, the Warriors will work $450 million when Steph's there. And when you get there and when Clay is there, not it worth $5 billion. But if there's a sale, do we participate in the accumulation of value in that sale? Zero, right? So there's no ownership. So Web 3.0 is about creators creating and creators.

having, you know, they actually own, you know, everything that exists that they're creating, which we've never seen before. So we're in exciting times. And it's just for us to try to continue to spread the knowledge because obviously African Americans, we always, the last one to get access to anything. And then we're always, you know, the system is set up for us to, you know, be at the bottom of the totem pole because, you know, you have to have cheap labor. And we've always been the wants to have cheap labor. So part of me being excited is to take all this information, put it together, package it the right way, and give it back to our community so we can own it and we can learn it and we can start having leadership. You know, we can be the coach,

the GM, the owner. And then when you're in those positions of power, I guess you can call it, but you start hiring and identifying who is good that you know because you hire who you know and you hire what you're comfortable with. And that's why we've never been in a position to being those job titles that can bring more people that look like, you know, the manager. So I know nothing. I don't own any NFTs or where do I start? Okay, it's like the easiest way you need to do, it's really three things. You know, get a Coinbase account.

What's the word I'm looking for? I have to let everyone know that I am investor in Coinbase, right? So, but you get a Coinbase account. There's other places, I think FtX, which this did it with Stealth, but you know, Coinbase account. Then you get a Metamask account. So Coinbase is where you buy your crypto, which, you know, all NFTs, not all, majority runoff Ethereum, right? And then there's Solana base. There's Tesos based, but for the most part, it's Ethereum.

So you go to Coinbase and then you link your bank account, and then you put however much money you want to get Ethereum. Then you get a Metamask, which is a wallet. So it's like a digital wallet that basically you can buy NFTs so you need the MetaMask or there's other digital wallets as well, but I use MetaMass not an investor in MetaMass But once you have MetaMass you're going to OpenC Coinbase has an NFT platform and it's a test pilot right now But for the most part OpenC is where people go where all the NFTs are listed and You use MetaMass to buy from OpenC and you also need Discord as well Discord is when you see a project that you like, you go to Discord, you go to that project, chat room, and you talk to the community.

And you can kind of get a good feel if a project is going to do well or not because you have authentic people having conversations about, all right, what makes this NFT valuable? Is it a money grab? They're just trying to sell something real quick and get out. It's a bunch of those. Or is there a roadmap? is there a utility here saying when I have this digital asset, what comes with it? You know, do I get access to this? Do I get access to that?

Am I able to meet this person? Am I able to meet that person? And then you see a lot of celebrities that are in and out. So you just got to be careful. So you still got to do your homework. It's just like investing in, you know, a company that may not be as well known. And you just got to track it and see what they're doing every quarter. So you just, you just, those four things help you.

Coinbase, MetaMas, OpenC, and Discord. It's interesting. I appreciate you sharing their knowledge because it's, like you said, I think it's very important. You know, when you speak on Javelle McGee and Bitcoin, I appreciate you saying that about Javelle because he is probably one of the most misunderstood people in the NBA. Because of the Javelle McGee, you know, and all of those things, people think Javelle McGee. is dumb. Right. And like you said, he is probably one of the top five smartest guys in the NBA. And top five may be selling them short. You know, it just, you know, I mean, Javelle McGee is like

one of those people that he's so smart. Sometimes it can fly by you or it's hard to understand them because he's so smart. And so I have an appreciation for that. But speaking of Bitcoin, I remember Shemaf told me years ago, Bitcoin probably had to be worth $3,400 of Bitcoin. He said, take 1% of your net worth. This had to be 8, 7 years ago. Take 1% of your network and put it into Bitcoin. I'm like, Bitcoin, what is that?

Right? And he starts breaking down to me what Bitcoin is. And at the time, I didn't really have any money. Right. So I couldn't even process what putting 1% of the little. money that I did have into anything, right? Like, I'm like, no, I don't have any money to put into that. I should have put it in there, but I didn't.

But nonetheless, you know, it is what it is. And you live and you learn. And that's kind of where I am in the space is just continuing to learn, you know, trying to get more active in the space. But also, I want to thoroughly understand it before I just get super active into it. You know, and so that's what I've been trying to do. But no, go ahead. The funny thing is the best thing that happened to me is my account got at.

I got robbed. Like, it's funny that it happened like that. But so if you click, like, a warning for everybody. Don't click on anything in Discord. Like, don't click anything. Like, in terms of like, links, right? So I'm just trying to learn. You know how we are.

Like, we know how to work hard. We watch hours and hours of films. So it's nothing to us to study. Like, it's easy for us to pick up on stuff. That's why people say, like, you know, like, athletes. we could transition to different places because we just learn how to work hard and, you know, obtain information. So I'm just learning, clicking on stuff, and I clicked on the wrong thing.

Somebody, you know, got access to my account. And then I accidentally screenshot my passwords to my wallet. And then they go in my cloud, got that too. Boom. Take my stuff, right? But that right there, I didn't lose like $25,000. But I talked to somebody in the community, community showed up for me and showed me how to get everything back. I would get everything back to square, whatever.

I still lost, but he was like, think about it as you just went to school and you just got your degree in NFTs. And I was like, wow, because now I'm able to teach other people, do this, do that, move like this, move like that. All right, watch out for this, watch out for that. Even with, like, some of the projects that aren't that good, I got some projects that's like, I wouldn't have did that if I could do it again. But now I just give it the same information to other people. So I say the best thing to do is just buy one thing, just like, watch it. That experience alone will teach you so much than, you know, one person can tell you. I appreciate it, man.

And I think for me, when you first came out here and you came to the Golden State Warriors, I remember everything that you was talking about, like, I love the tech space, I want to do this in the space. And to see where you've actually grown in that space is like incredible. Like, you're well respected in that space. You're well known in that space. And you've had some investments that. that's performed, written several unicorns that's performed really well. As you, now you're, you know, in the last couple years of your career,

from just even listening to you, say, maybe last year was it. You know, in the last couple years of your career winding down, obviously, venture is probably what's next for you? But what does that look like for you moving forward? Yeah, it's really exciting, you know, I think, you know, without giving too much, that hasn't been announced yet, like, everything's, you know, sort of coming to fruition. And I had a really good conversation with one of my favorite, uh, private equity guys. He's not really a venture capitalist, but a private equity guy.

And I don't want to put his name out there. Like, he enjoys being anonymous, you know, like, we want to be like them and most of them want to be like us, but he's the one who enjoys no one knows his name. And he was like, listen, you got to take, and I think all basketball players should do this. Like, we, we had. much success and like we were just like, all right, where's the next, where's the next mountain decline? And we forget to give ourselves flowers. You know, that's the cultural thing to say, like, give the flowers while they're still here. And it's like, we forget to bask in our own

success. Like, we let so many voices outside the game not let us enjoy the success we had. Like, let's keep it a hundred. Like, you remember, like, we remember vividly where we came from, like that room I lived in when I was in like second grade. Like, I can't even walk in there right now. I'm like, I got to crazy, like how you grew up like that, right? Like, you accomplished a whole lot as African-American men. Like, the odds are already stacked up against us. Like, we beat the life expectancy already. Like, no one even says that.

So he said that, like, yo, where you came from six years ago in the tech space to where you are now, like, no one would have predicted that. Like, you came a long way already. And you're so focused on the goal and you think you got so far to go. It's like, no, you came a long way. You got to start enjoying that and embracing it. So I've tried to do that. But at the same time, like, we're just wired to keep competing and we're wired, wired to just like, what's next, what's next?

Like, I'm trying to get somewhere where, you know, nobody thought we can go where they at, you know, they, like, we can get to the NBA, but how many of us are owners or how many of us, you know, have accumulated this much amount of wealth. Because it's not about how much money I got in the bank, but it is because this much amount of money in the bank is real change to my community because it's like 50, thousand here, 100,000 there, we call them band-aids over bullet wounds. Like, they really don't fix the problems. But when you start talking about endowments, you put in the right infrastructure in place

to where you never have to touch the money and you can run organizations and foundations just off the interests alone of the endowment you put in place, now that's real change. Now you got a school, you know, Jalen Rose has done it. A beautiful, beautiful academy. LeBron James has done it, you know, and we don't even talk about those things. enough, those are generational changes in providing that right infrastructure. So the next group of folks behind us are in a much better position situation that we are in. In turn, they do the same thing. And that's how you build that group economics as David West was always

talking about. So, you know, in the VC space, I got a few things that will be coming out in the next couple months on the VC side, even on the private equity side, even on the, you know, the athlete side that I'm really excited. about and just, you know, got my eyes and crossing my T's and just, you know, buttoning everything up. It's a beautiful C. And like I said, as someone who watches you right here, I just want to say thank you for the knowledge that you've shared with me for the path that you've laid out for all of us.

I speak for myself, but I can also speak for guys in that locker room because I know how we all look at you, Steph Curry. I know how his business has ran so incredibly. and a part of that was watching you, you know, and the things that you were doing. So I definitely appreciate that. And obviously, we're on an off day, so I don't want to take up much more at your time.

I appreciate you coming on. I do have two more basketball questions before I let you out of here. And the first one is, I know for me, I'm looking at this team. And as I said, we kind of got that mix of younger and experience. And it feel right. Like the team feels.

feel good. It just, it feel right. Like, the aura is right. The vibe is great. The coaching staff has been incredible. I mean, the training staff, like, it just feel right. Like, do you feel or see anything? Because I know, like, this feel real 2015-16-ish for me. Like, that's how it feel for me. The funny thing is, it's, like, coming in, like, I knew, like, that Miami Heat had me, like, locked in, so I'm already ready to go. Like, all right, I got to bring that Miami deep kind of vibe, like make sure, yeah, we really locked in every day. But to say that I could predict this would be a lie. Like, I mean, you don't know.

Like, most of the time you can, you know, like, when we had success, the first year, we didn't quite know until we went. But after that, we're like, well, we're about to run through these dudes the next four years. As long as we together, we're running through people. This year coming back, you're like, you're still trying to figure it out. Again, you start feeling the energy. Like you said, the coach and staff, you start seeing the young guys.

And then you see that video of Clay the other day. Yes. But you see the Clay. I'm like, oh, oh. Mm-hmm. Now you block it even more like, yo, let's not waste no time. Let's not throw nothing away. Like, let's take advantage of all these moments.

Like, we all know this ain't guaranteed. And everyone, for whatever they said, we had a really good team. Just because you got a good team, don't mean. You've got to win it. And I understand how precious these moments are and what we got ahead of us. So I'm like super like, you just wake up and you can't wait to get the work. And people don't understand, like, being a professional athlete,

there's so many things that come with it that can, like, stray you away from the joy of your job. And it's just, like, become a drag sometimes. But when you're excited to go to work, like, it's an incredible feeling, man. Like, and it's just every day is just like, even when you work hard, it's not work hard, hard work. It's just like, yo, we're getting better. Yeah, no, it's great. It's funny. I said that to Loon yesterday, like, Loon, I just enjoy coming to work.

again, man. Like, it just feel good to come here. And speaking to Clay, when I saw that video, when they showed us that, like, what the hell? Like, and what people don't know is the video that they saw, he hit his first six shots of the scrimmage.

Like, and as we know, Q, who was up here with us for like a week or so in training camp, like, you guard him, you getting all them buckets. They come in bunches. Like, we all saw the clips and we saw, I broke up.

But if he hit six straight, that was six of the first ten possessions. Because you know Clay, he hit that first one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Clay not going to let you just lose him and he hitting shots. Yep. He's going to get the ball. So you know those six buckets absolutely came within the first six of the first six of the first ten possessions of that scrimmage.

And that had me so excited, man, seeing him playing like that. Obviously, we're playing well. But just on his journey, man, it's beautiful to see. So I am extremely excited about Clay coming back. I know we all are. And yes, we are playing great. But you add Clay Thompson back to the fold and then Wiseman back to the foe.

I like where we at. But lastly, what I want to ask you, and I think this question is really near and dear to me because as someone who's had the opportunity to play with Sherer the Court with you for seven years now, this is year seven, I think, six or seven. I know. And then also sharing the court with Bam out of bayou this summer,

the one thing he said, the one thing we both obviously agree on is, like playing with Andre, it just makes the game easier, right? Like, it makes the game easier for you and understanding your impact and what you bring to the game. And now you start to talk about the all-star appearances,

all-star appearances, the championships, finals MVP, defensive teams, all these things. it bothers me when people don't say you're a lock for a Hall of Famer. Like that bothers me and I don't understand. I understand it because what I understand is that people don't understand the game of basketball.

And so I understand it from that perspective of like, y'all don't really understand the game of basketball so you technically don't know what you're watching. But it bothers me when people don't say Andre's Iguedal is a lot for the Hall of Fame because, you know, we see a lot of guys who can jump out the gym.

You being one of those guys, obviously not as jumping as high as you are, who's jumping that high at your age and all the miles that you have on your body, but you still get up higher than most guys. And for most guys, that's a hindrance. Like, you see guys that can jump, and they're dumber than a bag of rocks. Like, they don't really understand the game of basketball because they've just ran somewhere and jumped all their life. And whereas you happen to be one of the smartest guys in the league jumping like that is so rare.

Does it bother you like it bothered me when people are not saying you a lot for the Hall of Fame? I don't think so because like, I think I said it a couple of times. It's like I really couldn't see how good, like, I couldn't see how good stuff was when I was playing with him. Like I know how good you were because we kind of in the same lane as like, We know how good we are what we do, and we know it's very high level. Well, what Steph does is like, it's loud and you see it. But he's so focused on trying to get to, like, what's next. Like, we're, like, proactive players where we're going to get there before you do.

So it's like one thing with Wiggs, I'm like, Wigs. Like, he's been really good defensively this year. And he, this is when I knew I was kind of good. Like, I never like saying I'm good, like, I'm nice. But this one I knew, like, I was doing things the right way. Whigs was like, yo, what are some things you like to do when you go on LeBron? I was like, whoa. I'm like, bro, you've got way more ability to me.

But then I had to like, oh, okay, okay, this is a good thing. And then I give him some pointers. I'm like, yo, it's really not about stopping him because you can't. It's just about beating him to the spot before he gets there. And that starts when Steph shoots. So as soon as Steph shot the ball, I would be looking for LeBron like, all right, where is he at and what point of attack will he be taking the ball at the bounce? That's the first thing that went off on my mind.

So for me, it was just like I wasn't really able to see things like, you know, how good Steph was, you know, so I couldn't like really appreciate. So that goes back to like, you know, I'm upset with how people see the game. Like, as you know, we like, we identify the journalists who know the game and who don't. And not even journalists, just people in general. And we realize most don't know the game that well because, you know. So. Absolutely. It doesn't bother me.

And then I always say, like, I talked about the top 75 list. I always say, like, there's guys in the Hall of Fame that I feel like I think I'm better than him. And I'm not trying to be cocky. Like, I think I'm better than that guy. He's in the Hall of Fame. But there are guys who are not in the Hall of Fame that are better than me. Yeah.

There's a lot. And I'm just like, hey, man, it just is what it is. You just, if it comes, it comes. If it doesn't, it doesn't. And like I said before, like the impact our generation of basketball players, are going to have, or it just gets bigger and bigger through each generation, which shows that there is, you know, there's maturity. It shows evolution. We're becoming better as humans. Like, the things we're doing off the court are going to have a much bigger impact for not just basketball

players, but just, you know, black kids in general. And I think that's what we should be most proud about. And, like, that really goes back to, like, you having a conversation with Bob yesterday. I'm like, bro, like, the impact that we have outside the game is just crazy. Absolutely. No, man, I definitely. appreciate it. The vet, Andre Goddala, Hall of Famer in my book, champ. I appreciate everything you've done for me, including obviously coming on this podcast today, but it goes way beyond this podcast just in my career and my life, the things you've taught me. I'll always be somebody I'll look to. I'll call upon when I need some advice. When I need somebody to talk to, I appreciate

you, brother. Thank you for coming on. No, thank you, man. Appreciate you. Proud of you too, man. We got to say that more often, man. Appreciate you. So likewise, likewise, our venture capitalist brother who causing havoc over there and figuring it out, man, definitely appreciate it. Yes, sir. Man, what an incredible conversation just to have with Andre. Obviously, I have the opportunity to have those conversations often and really just sit and soak up the knowledge and learn as he is one of the guys that I truly respect the way he goes about his business, the way he. has capitalized on being in such a hotbed of technology out here in Silicon Valley. I think it's incredible.

It's always honored to just take in some of the knowledge and some of the advice that he gives, which he does often, which he doesn't have to. So I'm very thankful and appreciative of that. So again, my big brother, Andre, thank you for coming on, the Dremont Green Show. So before we rap, I'd be remissed if I didn't mention the late, great Virgil Ablo, for what he's done for our culture. Number one, rest in peace. And to his family, I send my thoughts, my prayers, well wishes, and most importantly, my love.

Losing a loved one is never easy. and, you know, losing a loved one at 41 years old, it's tough. And obviously none of us know the time, nor the day nor the place. But nonetheless, it doesn't make it easier. And obviously now we all know for the last two, better part of the last two, two and a half years, he was battling cancer. And number one, to continue doing what he's, you know, he was doing while going through his journey and his fight with cancer just speaks to the guy

that he is, that he was, and speaks to why he was able to do what he was able to do. I mean, you have a guy now who we just saw, I just saw today, they have some display of some Mercedes car that he designed. We know he designed Drake's plane. We know he designed Drake's playing. We know he's designed watches for Drake, obviously off white, Pyrex going all the way back. And then on to Louis Vuitton and what he's able to do there as a black man going to a brand like Louis Vuitton and being the head of the creators design for Louis Vuitton, owned by LVMH, a black man from Chicago. So I heard of. We lost a great one.

We lost a guy who has changed culture, who has changed the way we look at fashion, who's changed the way art fashion, music, or intertwined. You're talking about a guy who's shown us he's an artist and the design things that he does. He's shown us he's an artist through the music aspect and his DJing and things that he does. And obviously, through his creation of the brands that he's created and the collections that he's put out with that he's been in charge of at Louis Vuitton. Just an incredible creative. I never had the opportunity of meeting Virgil, but I know from my fashion sense and the things that I like, he had a huge impact on that. and just the things that he put out.

And so, man, it's a tough one. You know, a guy who's broken down barriers for creatives, especially African-American, just black creatives. He's broken down a lot of walls, broken down some barriers, and looking forward to the creatives of today carrying on his legacy. You know, Salehi Bimbury, Heron Preston, Don C, and the list goes on and on, creators, creatives that continue to shape our culture. So I am looking forward to Jerry Lorenzo. I'm looking forward to those guys continuing to carry out his legacy, carry on his legacy.

Obviously, we'll continue to see the imprint that he left on the fashion world. But, man, going way too soon. Virgil Ablo, I send my love to his family, his loved ones, his friends, anyone that he's impacted their life who feels that loss. I send my love, my thoughts, and my prayers. Man, it's a tough one. But third episode of the Draymond Green Show, thank everybody for tuning in. We'll see you guys next week.

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