The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/ Baron Davis: Draymond Green REVEALS Kevin Durant trash talk in Warriors-Suns + LeBron James slump

Episode Date: December 4, 2024

In today’s episode of the Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis, they discuss Dray's injury status, his exchanges with Kevin Durant during the Golden State Warriors vs. Phoenix Suns game, and Steph Curry’s comments about the Dubs' 13-man rotation. They also talk about how three-time MVP Nikola Jokic presents challenges for NBA defenses and the strong start of the Houston Rockets. Additionally, they discuss how LeBron James can overcome his shooting slump and battle with Father Time for the Los Angeles Lakers. Baron shares a story about his first game against Washington Wizards-era Michael Jordan. Finally, they react to ESPN's 25 Under 25 list and answer questions from fans. 4:00 - Start 5:00 - Dray's injury update 31:15- Steph's 13-man rotation comments 41:00 - KD & Dray's back-and-forth 1:00:15- Upcoming games vs. Nuggets & Rockets 1:10:00 - LeBron's slump 1:23:00 - 25 Under 25 list 1:33:00 - Fan questions (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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What's Haddon a champ? What's up, my dog? Follow the show on Twitter, Jemond Green Show. So you don't miss all these dope announcements. In today's episode, we'll talk about obviously the Warriors. We'll talk about LeBron shooting slump. And then we'll also react to the ESPN top 25 list under 25. Yeah, I'm excited, man.

Oh, man, it's, you know. They don't fucking list. But. I hate that. Tell me about it, Doug. Tell me about it. But you know what? I'm going to stay on track and we're going to get into that.

But before we get into that, I got to holl at my folks. What's up, Dub Nation? I love y'all. We love y'all. I know everybody's going to tune in here and be like, all right, I need to hear what's going on with the four-game losing streak. And where's the team of mine? say, of course, when you're winning, everybody's like, oh, my God, their back is

$2,022 all over again. And then when you lose a few, everybody's like, oh, they need to make a trade immediately. Yeah. And it's kind of this way of how we feel it right now. Obviously, we feel like we got to win. You can't just keep dropping games. And I think, you know, and I have spoke about this before, it's also one of the reasons that you want to get off to a good start, you know, so when we got off to, what, 12 and

three start, I think. that's why you want to log them games because the reality is you hit these rough batches during the season. And sometimes you can want to do everything right. You can feel like things are going right and it just don't go your way. You know what I'm saying?

So that's why you want to log them games when you can early on in the season to kind of get yourself a little cushion. So here we are riding a four-game losing street and we're still two games out of first. You know, but we're also two games out of 11. I think our mindset is we got to get back to what was making us successful. We were defending really well.

And offensively, the ball was moving. You know what I'm saying? We were cutting down shots. But we were knocking down shots because we were getting great shots. Yes. I think the quality of our looks over the last two weeks have dipped dramatically. And so in turn, you're not shooting. as well and, you know, things get a little thrown off.

So we are confident. We're confident. We know we're still the same team we were a week and a half ago when we were sitting at 12 and 3. And nobody's in a panic. But when you lose four in a row, shit got a shame. Man, I'm watching. You know, when things are rolling and the magic is happening and the energy is high,

you know, and then, you know, bad shots. hit are great shots, right? When you get in that law and you take bad shots, you know what I mean? Then bad shots starts to mess with your pace, you know what I mean? And that's what I'm really saying in these last four games. It's like, man, it's just the energy of the magic kind of caught up to,

you know, being in like, oh, like, I can just shoot this shot. And now your pace is off. So getting back to like a solid pace. And then I also, I have to say this, man, you know, it's early. You know, we talk about, you know, preparation month to month, when in the month, the month of November is over. December is a new month. But I feel like y'all banged up a little bit.

You know what I mean? And I've been watching you specifically, Doug. And I'm glad we got this show because I wanted to, one, like, I feel like, I'm looking at you and I'm like, Dre, a vet. We can't, we got to, we got to manage Dre for long term future. I was just seeing something. I want to know how you feeling because I know you're going to be questionable for tonight. And then, you know, automatically as your OG big bro, man, time. You know what I mean?

Take your time. want to know. We want to know how you feel it for real, though. So interestingly enough, I've played every game this year, which has kind of been a goal of mine. And the goal ain't to play, like, 82. The goal for me is when I'm healthy, I'm on the court. You know what I'm saying? If that's 82 games, then the goal becomes 82. You know what I'm saying? Right. I've been around this long enough. to know that throwing out these frivolous goals, I'm going to play for 82 games.

Like, if it happens, great. But when you start to throw out goals, being a guy who's a part of a team that won 73 games, I remember chasing that 73. And I remember I play a concussed at 73, and I ain't tell nobody, but I had got whacked by Joe Ingalls who was playing in Utah

that was coming towards the end. And man, I drove home dizzy as hell. Like, for days, at that time, I was living in Berkeley Hill. So it's the... Oh, man. And then I'm driving up there, and, like, for days,

I'm just a little... Foggy, but we are a little foggy. Right. But we're really close now. We're really close now to... closing in on that 73. So I'm like, I can't miss a game or two.

I can't go into concussed. So I ain't tell nobody, but I was fucked up. I was concussed. And being someone who's been a part of that, I know the toll that it took. You know what I'm saying? I know everything that you're uphill, strength, you know, fighting uphill against.

And so to make a goal like, oh, I'm trying to play 82 games, sometimes you're just rolling out there on a stretch, in a wheelchair. Man, for real. And no disrespect to play. people with disabilities. I'm just using the term.

You're rolling out there piece together, I would say. I would say you're rolling out there piece together. And just to say I'm playing 82, but you probably really shouldn't be on that floor, you know? And so my thing coming into this season, like if I'm healthy, I'm on court. And that's been my mindset. And I've played in every game.

Over the last few games, I've been a bit beat up. but still feeling healthy enough to get out there on the floor and try to help my team. And over the last few days, a couple of days, since I started to get this calf tightness in my left calf. And the last time I got left calf tightness. You was out three months the last time that happened. That's why that's, yeah, that's my concern, right?

Because it's, you know, hey, you play a hell of a defense. You playing great this year. and, you know, it's, you older, you're extending yourself, you garden wimbies, you garden dudes like that. And so, you know, like, loan management makes sense when it makes sense. You dig what I'm saying? And, like, that calf, I don't want you going through that. You know what I mean?

So it's like, that's why, you know, I think we all out here in Dubnation and really just, you know, want to see you healthy, bro, and see you like the warrior that you, are, the dog that you are, the intellect, that, you know, you just, you know so much and you can weave through this calendar and this schedule and be like, okay, this, this, this, and that. But it's important for the dubs to have that healthy Jemond Green because that's, that's 12 and three. You know what I mean? That's what 12 and 3 look like, yeah.

1,000 percent. And that's kind of where I'm at right now. And so with the experience that I have now in this from what I went through in 2022, in 2022 leading up to me missing those three months, there was games. And they're all in a row of like, yo, my left bloops really tight. And I'm trying to like roll phone roll it out and doing different things. And I'm like, man, it's just saying, you know, it loosening up a little bit and they come right back. But again, I didn't have the knowledge that I have now and the experience that I had.

And so in my mind. it wasn't an L5S1 issue. It's just my glute type because I didn't even know all those things connected at that time. Oh, man. And so the symptoms that I was getting, I'm just like, oh, that's a symptom

because I've been playing games. And I didn't know what I was up against. So this time, some of the symptoms that I felt, I'm able to better navigate and knowing like, all right, you felt this. This could mean this. You may need to slow down, you know, like. Yeah, it's okay.

And so I think the idea of it right now is like, you know, tonight, you know, it's a, it's a in-season tournament game. Like, I need to be out there for this game. But at the same time, I've seen this movie before. You know what I'm saying? You go out there chasing one game. I live the movie. You know what I mean? I lived it.

So I'm just, like, I'll be 100% honest. I'm a little afraid. Like, to go through what, to go through what I went through to. years ago and missed three months. Like, I'm a little afraid right now. But in saying that, I have confidence in our staff. I have confidence that I'm getting ahead of it right now because I just got all these crazy symptoms and I don't need to ignore every symptom, every symptom that I have right now currently. Ignoring those symptoms, I know where they lead me. I don't want them to lead me there. So if I can catch it right now and miss a game or two or three, you know what I'm

saying? As opposed to missing two or three months. Yeah, it's better to do it. The smart thing to do is to catch it right now while I'm already getting these symptoms. And so that's kind of where I'm at with it. Man, and I think for like the viewers, you know, my whole career, bro, I came into the league ACL from college and played the first year. I had torn cartilage. Then the next. The next, Next year was like, oh shit, my back, you know, what's happening with my L4L5? And like what I want people to know just through my experience is like, that back ain't nothing to play with. You could slip.

You can get hit the wrong way, right? But it's also like, I think the scary part of injuries is like, oh, this hamstring is not bothering me. I can play through it. And then all of a sudden, it's your Achilles. you know what I mean? Or my cap is bothering me. And then all of a sudden your back go out, right?

And so, you know, just being able to like, I know what you mean when it's like, it's scary because like that was my whole career. Like playing in New York, I came in with a back injury. I left with career ending knee surgery. You know what I mean? And it was because you rap, you rap, you rap, you wrap, you wrap, you wrap,

you wrap up so much, right? that you're not thinking about pacing. And then when you feel good, when you feel good, you're not thinking about that injury until something weird, you feel some type of weird tweak. And so injuries with the psychological,

especially as you get older, like I think it's more important to be way more conservative. You know what I mean? Because it's the long, you know, it's the longevity of it. And I don't think the fans, really understand that, you know, you can have a bad elbow, you know, you can have an elbow

tendonitis, and then next thing you know, you got a bad back. Right? And so injuries compound if you don't, you know, take the time to let your body and your mind and the trainers help you solve the, you know, the problem, the solution. So we want to see you back, but we also want to make sure, man, that you, are taking care of and you're making sure that it's a pace you know what I mean? So it's a great season.

You're still in four, right? Two games out of first, the West is wild. And then we also saw Steph, you know, we're talking about, we getting into December, right? December, then January, February, most pivotal month, right, as far as positioning. And then we heard Steph say,

okay, we got this 13-man rotation. do we need to shorten it? You know, we probably need to be more predictable on the night-to-night basis so guys can get a little bit of rhythm. Is that shortening it to one or two guys? Maybe, you know, I wanted to get your, I mean, get your take because, you know,

you're in the field, like, explain to these people. You start the season, you know what I mean, 13. But, you know, I think what stuff is saying is you just start. to get to, okay, it's December time, Christmas start. And now for y'all, Christmas basketball season is earlier than it used to be. It used to be Christmas Day.

Okay, I'm finally in shape. I'm finally in rhythm. National TV game is crack it. Now with the end-season tournament, you know what I mean? In the Emirates Cup, it's like, damn, that's a whole month ahead. You got to be ready to rock it. wrong. It's crazy because I think of a guy who I, when I

came into the league, who was more of your era but was still going when I came into the league, was O.G. Andre Miller. Oh, yeah. O.G. Andre Miller used to give me fits. At that time, just so y'all know,

I actually had the guard point cards me first. And like, the whole, like, that's my matchup. And Andre Miller used to be my matchup when I would come in the game because when you were going to play. Drake used to post up.

Drake used to go play in the darker. Drake used to do this thing where he was standing out of bounds under the rim. And as a defender, if he's underneath the rim out of bounds, I can't just stand in the paint because I'm now considered

in the defense of three seconds on. And so you have to go cleanse. And when you go cleanse, he comes right back to get the ball and lay it up. And he had all these little tricks to the trade. But one of the things that I remember Drey Miller used to say him. In the offseason, I let my body naturally recover.

I let my body naturally heal. And then I let my body naturally get back in shape. And I work my way back in the shape. And so he didn't do a ton in the offseason. And come back, as you know, at that time, training camp was three to four weeks. You know what I'm saying? Nowadays, training camp is three to four days. And he would work his way back in the shape.

and guys will work them with their sales back into shape. Nowadays, you're not allowed. If you don't come into season in shape, you are so far behind the eight ball. For sure. That for the rest of the season, you're swimming up here. You swimming upstream because now guys are in shape.

And so you're playing catch up while they're getting in better shape. Then at the speed that the game is going, because everybody already came into shape, now you're tweaking stuff, so now you're fighting against that and all these different things. And so for us now, you have to come into the season and shape, which is a drastic change for guys in the NBA. And so that's been one of the biggest differences since I came into the league. When I look back at it now, you know, and just where we are now today, it's getting further and further that way. Like you just mentioned the end-season tournament.

You know what I'm saying? Like those games are like playoff intensity. You know? Yeah. And if you're not in the shape to bear that, it all goes downhill from there. And you can be playing catch-up on something past the end-season tournament because you've gotten hurt.

And so when y'all start the season, that was the end of our preseason. Every year we knew that Halloween was when the season started. You know what I mean? Now y'all start in October 15, 12, you know, flying across the country. And it's like you don't even get a break, right? You got to really stay in shape the whole time. Because to your point, if you come in now, y'all play so fast.

Yes. And so being in shape is one thing. Being in basketball shape is another thing. Being in basketball shape and being in rhythm is another thing. So if you got to kick all that up by. October. So by October, you got to be in your December, you know what I mean?

Form in October in order to start getting ready for players. That's why I see, that's why you see a lot of injuries though. You know, even with the cup, it's like, man, and people don't understand the intensity of playing for something early in the season is

it just, you just exert way more energy than you do on a double overtime game in the, you know, what I mean? It's just, like it's, your sensors are up.

You know what I mean? The senses are high. And these injuries you speak up, myself tonight, calf, right? Like, yeah,

it's calf-string injuries, it's soft tissue injuries. Because you're not all the way there. Exactly, which more often than not comes from fatigue, overuse, you know what I'm saying? Like,

those are where those injuries come from. And so I'm not one to sit and complain about them. You know, for me personally, you know, people say like, yo, you should shorten the season. I don't believe that. And the reason I don't believe that is because,

A, we played, it goes back to what I said to Jason Taylor when I was telling him we should all play in the 2020 Olympics in 21. We started just to build Hall of Fame resumes. The guys that played before us played 82 games. In order for us to compete against them

as far as resume building, we need those 82 games. Another reason. Another reason I don't think this season should be shorter. Who taking less money? Everybody always be like, oh, if they only play 70 games as opposed to 82. That's 12 games you don't get paid.

That's 12 less games somebody get paid. That's 12 less gates that's being collected. That's 12 less TV appearances of TV games. That's a lot. Which means that's 12 less sponsorships on the court. That's 12 less sponsorships on the seat. That's 12 less sponsors games. That's 12 less games of sponsors.

on the stanchion of the hoop. That's 12 less opportunities to make millions of dollars. Who taking less money? No. So when people are like, oh, they should shorten the season. No, they should. Because ain't nobody agreeing to take less money. And if you shorten the game, the games and the schedule,

that math just don't work. So I am not of that consortium. I'm like, oh, man, gosh, should sit out. I mean, should shorten the season. No. when you're hurt, this is what we do, and this is a part of what we do. A part of what we do is getting injured.

Like, when you play what we play in the NFL, it's not if you get a ninja. It's when. So that's just a part of what we put our bodies through. And people just need to understand that guys are going to get hurt. And that's just the reality of it. And you should know and trust that guys want to be on the court.

Guys are working their ass off to get back on the court. But even more importantly than working their ass off to get in court, the work that guys are doing to stay on the court, you'd never imagine. And so no, and trust, as fans of this sport, that injuries are going to happen. That's just the nature of what we put our body through with the travel, with the pounding, the competition that we go in to battle that we go into night in and night out. The injuries are going to happen. The NFL seasons rolling along.

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For additional terms and responsible gaming resources, see dkNG.co. So the 13-man rotation to start a season. That it's almost like you're validating that, saying that like it's important to play a lot of your players early in the season based on preserving, you know, your superstars or, you know, you guys have a 13-man rotation. Now Step is saying we got to start cutting. Can you just explain 13 and how you start dwindling, you know, as far as the season go,

how you start, like, ramping up and ramping down in your rotation to get prepared for the playoffs? So, interestingly enough, as you know, most people don't start ramping down until after the all-start break. You start to kind of shorten that rotation. All of a sudden, if you were playing 11 guys, now you're playing 9, you know what I'm saying? You get in the playoffs. Some people only go eight deep. And when you get in the playoff games, that's never been on.

It's really seven. If you go back and look at any Steve Kerr coach team, that's never been our M.O. It's only seven or eight deep. Never ever been our M. That's why you've had the Ian Clarks. You know what I'm saying? That's why you've had those different Quinn Cooks.

You know what I'm saying? Guys who Quinn Cook played in the NBA finals, man. Like, Quinn Cook, Quinn Cook is a two-time champions. Quinn Cook played in the NBA finals. Like, he didn't just, like, even Nick Young's play. You know what I'm saying? And it's sorry, yes.

And swag's a little different. Like, Swag's career in the league. He was a 20-point score before or close to it, you know what I'm saying? But I mentioned the guys like Ian Clark and. No, for sure. It's because they were fringe guys, you know what I'm saying? They were French guys that worked their way on to teams. My other dude.

What's the other dude? McCall. Oh, Patrick McCall. Well, he was a second round pick, but you got like the Juan Tuscano Anderson. Yeah. Like Damian Lee's. Like those guys got out the mud,

undrafted, worked their way up through the G League, made the team, and then actually contributed. The reason you know those names that has competed with us in won championships are because Steve has never, ever been the guy who's just going to run his guys into the ground.

All right, so now, now let's take this a step further. The top two guys is 34 and 36, about to be 35 and 37. Do I run them into the ground? No way. Or do I take advantage of what Mike Dunleby has done and use all this debt. Yeah, yeah, I got a squad. When we were just 12 and 3, everybody's like, oh, man, they're using depth and it's working. When you lose four in a row, like Steph said, there is always.

something that has to change. And the first thing you're going to look at, because it's the most abnormal thing in our ecosystem. And that is, that is, that's more ab-like, we're not talking about, usually it's like, okay, nine, maybe a coach play 10. If you got an 11-man, like, from a coach's perspective, like an 11-man rotation, bro, is insane. You know what I mean? A 13-man rotation, it's unheard of. You got to be, you got to be, you got to be, you got to be, out of your mind to be able to understand rhythm flow, time, schedule,

playing time, who play, 13 people, you know what I mean? And so... It's tough. I mean, it's tough to get a rhythm. Like, you know, like... Two steps point. Yeah. Right? Like, two steps point. He said, do we... If he said, do we need to shorten it? We probably need to be more predictable on a night-to-night basis so guys can get a little bit of rhythm.

Is that shortening one or two guys? Maybe. So to step's point and what Steph is saying? I absolutely agree with the rhythm thing. Like, you need to play and play a little time to find a rhythm in this league. Because also, if you're subping into the game, guess what? When you subbing at the six-minute mark, I've been out there for six minutes already, getting the planning the flow of the game, getting the jitters out. Yeah.

You know, like, I've been out there for six. So now you're coming into that, and you've got to find a rhythm. them to do that in two minutes or three minutes against guys who's already been out there for six minute it gets a little tough and so what i will say is i totally understand steve's theory i totally understand why the rotation has been deep and i wasn't necessarily totally against it 13 deep originally it was like 11 or 12 now it's 13 you know what i'm saying like i think that can get a little tough for sure. But I'm also not going to sit

here and like I said, I wholeheartedly there's a method to agree with step. It's a method. Yeah, it's a method to the madness, right? For sure. But I'm not going to sit and act like we lost four games in a row because the rotation was too deep. Like,

no, we ain't lose four games in a row because the rotation was too deep. I can tell you why we lost four games in a row. We lost four games in a row because we absolutely bombed one of the San Antonio and lost an 18-point lead in midway through the third quarter. And then we absolutely bombed another one against the Brooklyn Nets. Yep.

A 17-point lead in the third quarter. All right. And we're on a four-game losing streak. So right there. You're our third-quarter team. Exactly. You take care of those two wins. All of a sudden, we're on a two-game losing streak.

It's a different. And we are 14 and 5, and in first place in the way. Right? So to overreact And not that I think Steph is overreacting because that is a sentiment. That's a real sentiment. You know what I'm saying? Like that's a real thing.

But I mean out in the world of people that don't know what the hell they're talking about, I'm not going to overreact and try to pinpoint one thing because those two games go the way they should have. Yeah. And now where you... Now it's like, oh, the 13-minute rotation, yeah. The 13-man-stead-man rotation is wearing them out.

But, I mean, it... Hold on, B, I will say this, though. Here's what I will say. Now, when you look at the 13-man rotation, in those two games where I think, and I have not heard anyone make this argument, but I will help these people out that are trying to just throw Steve under the bus.

I'll help them out if they want to make an argument, but I'm also only helping you out because most of y'all are dummies and y'all couldn't make the argument of yourselves. And which is, if you want to condemn the rotation, then what your argument should have been is, well, when we lost those 18 and 17-point leads, a part of that 13 rotation was in,

and Stefan Draymond won it. Now, if you want to make that point, that would more legitimize your argument as far as the rotation goes and what has happened in the last four games. but if you're just going to generally throw out, hey, man, it's a 13-man rotation and that's the problem.

You don't have real evidence to back up your statement. The real evidence is when they lost those leads, Steph and Draymond should have been back in earlier if the rotation was shortened, Moses Moody was playing great, right? Like, those are, would be the argument. Since saying that, those same guys that was on the court

were the same guys that helped us get off to such a great start. Yeah, they are. And remember, I think we talked about this in one of the episodes, everything is a learning curve, right? So in that 13, you know what I mean? There's a winning combination in a confident five or two combinations of five that's super confident

and got to go through, hey, man, we messed that up. Yes. You know what I mean? It's not on Drake. It's not on Steph. You know, like my rookie year, when I was coming off the bench, I only had about a good four, five minutes to hit a jumper. If I don't make my first jumper, oh, bro, it's tough.

I better get a steal, something. You know what I mean? And so, like, that type of rhythm and flow is hard for even the bench guys to get into a rhythm. But once you kind of figure it out, like in that fire, you got a confident fight and you've got to go through some ups and downs during the season in order to know how to get past it. You know what I mean?

In order to accept the responsibility. And I think it's smart to start off with 13 and say, hey, this is working. This is rolling. Okay. Let's go to 11 in December. Okay. January, we're at 11.

We're going to 10 in January. February, we had 10. After all start weekend, boom, I'm at 9. You know, then again, you don't know which combinations is going to be sticky too. And so I think when Steph is saying, you know, being predictable, he's saying even for himself, right?

Yeah, no, I know I can do this. Poop, fake, go around to pick, dress Jamon. Well, who else is all, you know what I mean, in rhythm and in tune to what y'all doing? So I think the predictability is like, all right, some of you dudes need to sit on the bench and be ready still,

but you need to see like, okay, this is how we're gonna pace ourselves from the rest of the year. You know what I mean? Because the 13 is like, y'all, y'all, y'all been wearing people down, outrunning them, speed, you know what I mean, playing at a high, high pace, you know,

that as the season starts to go, you ain't going to be able to play at that clip. You know what I mean? It's tough. It's tough to sustain. that and that's, you know, I think that's pretty much what he's saying. And then, um,

I saw, I saw you in KD. I saw you hit the three and you sent something to KD. And then he hit the three on you. And y'all was, man, y'all was, y'all was, y'all was, y'all was chopping. And then, I shot the first three B on the left wing.

Uh-huh. And it felt so good. And Matt Isbier and Mochlees, O.G., him your people. Matt Ispill's my sparked up. So I shoot the first one on the wind, and I got K in front of me. I got them two sitting right on the court side behind me. And so I'm like, oh, I'm about to hit this three, and I'm about to say something. Kay, and then I'm about to turn around, and I'm about to say something to each and I'm about to say something to please.

Right? I've missed it. I'm like, ah! So we come back down the court, and I get the Tracy in the right corner. And Kay kind of closed out, but not aggressive. massively closed out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I hit the three, and I'm like, yeah, motherfucker.

You better close the, I ain't missed the two in the row, okay, you better close it. So then he started laughing. So then my dumb ass go help in. I go help in, they hit K in the corner, K-7 feet. You're not, you know how to make the hill with no shock contest. I come, I come flying out. I get my corner contest. Wow.

He's like, all right, now, you know, I shoot that motherfucker too now. And the banter, the banter was so good, man. And we was bantering back and forth the whole game. And it was great banter, man. I enjoyed it. When I get the opportunity to play against Kay, and it goes back to my rookie year when KD had 54 on us, and I got through in that fire late because he was dragging Harrison Barnes

and dragging a couple of other guys. And then I got through into that fire that was already blue. and he continued on on his way. Yeah. And he ended up with 54. I remember those. I still remember those matchups. And I remember the feeling that I had when I was going into those matchups.

I wasn't Draymond Green, who's been a defensive player of the year, an All-Star and NBA champion. I was Draymond Green's second round pick trying to make a name for myself. And the opportunity to play against Kevin Durant was one that I cherish. because I have an opportunity right in front of me to go up against the game greats and one of the greats. And when I would have the opportunity, it would be like, man, this is my chance to show that I belong on this court

with these types of guys. And if I can just make it hard on him, nobody's expected me to come out and lock Kevin Durand. But if I can make it hard on him, like, man, I did my job tonight. So I still think about those matchups. and where I was then. To be who I am now, I still have that same sentiment

when I go on the court. When I go on the court and I play against Kevin Durant. I'm like, yo, I got to sit down. Because it's also an opportunity for me, still to this day, to see where I am defensively. Can I keep up with a KD? Can I make it a little tough?

For sure. And so just having that battle, that banter was great, man. And I enjoyed the hell out of it. I mean, yeah, some great. stuff to say about you. I mean, Draymond is that this best is like a good balance between being ultra-aggressive and being on edge and also just being a cerebral monster that he is. And I think he's found that balance even better.

I feel like he always had it. Sometimes you tip the scales a bit. And I think he's found that balance as he getting older, as he experienced more things in the league, more things in life in general. And you can just tell by the start of this season that, you know, he's playing his best ball. He's shooting the basketball well this year. I think over 40 percent.

You know, so you just tell, man, all his experiences up until this time and just helped him out and made him the player he is today. Man, when I actually saw this quote after the game, I think the next day. And I was thankful. I was thankful. I was appreciative because, and I am always someone that addresses things head on. Last year, I got suspended with stuff with Nerkich, and KD said something that I didn't like because I was like, damn,

Kay got my number, like, you're going to go out publicly and feed this narrative. Like, yo, I hope he gets to help he need. I was upset about it, and I felt away. And I was pissed. And, you know, I saw KD in the offseason, and we chopped it up. We chopped it up. And man to man face-to-face. We shopped it up.

And I told him how I felt. He told me how he felt. And that damn, I didn't think that would be seen that way. Yeah, he didn't. You know what I'm saying? And we talked about it. And then for him to come out and say this, when you shared this dang with something for someone,

with something that someone does, when you share that, don't be a hypocrite. And when they say something well, you don't appreciate that. You know what I'm saying? Because when he said that most things that many things that most people say, they don't bother me. They don't affect me.

I really don't give it that. KD is someone that, KD. say something. I care. You know what I'm saying? So I cared a lot when he said that about me last year. I'm not a hypocrite that's going to sit here and say, I don't care a lot that he said this.

I care a lot that he said this. And it means a lot to me and my personal growth. But also, anytime you hear from your peers, and especially the world, bro, that are as great as a Kevin Durant. Come on, yeah. And you hear him say the cerebral monster that he is. He's playing his best basketball.

He's found that balance of ultra-aggressive and on the edge. But boom, when you hear that from your peers, especially one that you've gone to war with, won a championship with and one opinion that really matters to you. You know what it is. I was extremely appreciative of this comment because it also is validation to me of the things that you are working on are showing. You know what I'm saying?

KD. I said last year, Katie was always, he was someone that would say to me when people would say, yo, that's just Draymond being Dreymond. He'd be like, now sometimes people give you that excuse. And he said these words to me verbatim. before. He said, yo, sometimes people get you the excuse to like, that's just Draymond being Draymond, but I know what

Draymond looked like at his best. He said that weren't those words to me verbatim. Right? And so, to hear him say this, as someone who I know will call me on my bullshit, you know what I'm saying? That's your home. That ain't just you being Draymond. That's you bullshit.

That's someone who I know would say that because he has said that to me. For him to say this, it really meant a lot to me. because it's your brother of proven of what he see from you, but also in just my personal growth, my personal journey for him to see that, he saw when it was fucked up,

and he said it. And we don't like when people say bad things about us. And he see it when it's going well, and he said it. And I respect that. I appreciate that because, again, you say what you want about Kevin Durant. He is Kevin Durant. He is one of the stars of not only. this generation.

He is the ultimate Chico, dude. Absolutely. So I was very appreciative. Somebody built Kevin Durant in a my player before he was born. Yeah.

And he wound up being Kevin Durant. I'm going to take this guy. I'm going to make my guys, I'm going to create my player. He's going to be seven feet. He's going to triple. He's going to triple.

He's two threes. Come on, you know. But I love this because you know, you play your whole career. And you have, you know, cross admiration for the dudes you compete against. Even the dudes you may deem you don't like or may not like. Like remember when we was having Rondo, we was having the conversation with Rondo.

It was like, man, I don't like Rondo. Why I don't like Rondo is because I love Rondo. And I want to play like Rondo. I'm mad he gets layups. I'm mad he, you know what I mean? But it's all in admiration. Yes. Until you really get a chance to like see somebody give flowers, there ain't a lot of flowers being given out when you plan and when you're in the trenches with people

because you just don't want to give somebody that edge. And so any type of acknowledgement from your peers, especially the great, especially the real ones, right? For me, I start learning to like accept that. Like, hold on, man. Like, damn, that's how, you know. because I love talking about great players, right? And whether before you may have heard, like, I don't want to talk about them.

Now, man, I just respect damn near every player in the league suffer for a few because it's like it's so hard to get there, but like they were great. You know what I mean? They were like, like their greatness was great. And like every day they showed up to practice, whether you are a bench player, whether you're a superstar.

Now the superstars, they hold a lot more credence. And so when they're talking about you, and you walk in that room and they like, they know you what I mean? Them your brothers, they know you. You know what I mean? And so that,

that just put a whole different type of battery pack. But I think it's also validation a lot of times because you don't get the flowers. Like, Jemond Green ain't getting the flowers that he deserve right now. LeBron James ain't getting the flowers he deserved. Steph Curry

ain't getting the flowers he deserved. You know what I mean? Giannis, Kevin Durant ain't getting the flowers he deserved. Come on, bro. It's like you, when you play, you are,

nobody's ever, like the kids, you know what I mean? The kids are going to love you. But the media, to me, has never been the validation. No.

It's always your peers. Yeah, it's always your peers. But that's why I love, like, doing media, now because now you got podcasters and former athletes and retired dudes. Like, we know the game and we know who is real and we know who not real.

You know, and so, like, having that admiration, shout out to Katie, you know, for just big up in you, right? I appreciate it to hell out of the man. Yeah, letting people know, like, what it really is, right? Because a lot of times the media, y'all be playing games and, you know, these are bonds and brotherhood. and, you know, we are our own little tight-knit community. So, you know, it's just like that, like giving you your flowers in this moment, in this time. It was really dope.

No, it was fire. I appreciate the hell out of it. Like I said, to your Rondo point, that was always me with Chris Paul before I played with CP, where I'm like, yo, I hate dude. Like, but I would tell all my boys, like, you, I don't mess with him at all. But I got the utmost respect.

for him as a competitor. I'm like, even when I didn't like C, when we was at odds. I said publicly, like, yo, people try to say C.P. Not a winner. That's just not true. That's crazy. You try to say this man, not a winner

because he hasn't had the luck to win a championship. Follow what I said. Because he has not had the luck of winning the championship. And you try to say this guy not a winner. I know a loser. And I know a winner. and when I play against this guy, I'm not playing against a loser.

I am competing against one of the ultimate winners. Right. And, but I hated them. You know what I'm saying? But a part of the hate was, bro, you be doing some of that shit I'd be doing it. I don't really like that. You know what I'm saying?

Like, bro, you be doing some of that stuff I'll be doing on the court, bro. And he can get away with it. Yeah, bro. So a part of it is like a little bit of jealousy. I'm like, man, y'all let's see P get away with this. I can't get away with nothing. Right, like, CP tap in.

But the admiration is, but the way this man compete when he on the court, like, I remember my rookie year with Jared Jack and CP played together in New Orleans. Jared Jack is my vet. And CP and Jack got in the words, got an argument. And right there, I was like, that's interesting because they tight. Like, I know they got a relationship. And they're going back and forth, like arguing. And right then was when I noticed like, okay, I see what type of do.

who's he is. You know what I'm saying? He'll care I like you or not. He's going to try to take you out when he's playing against you and it is what it is. It is what it is. And so I definitely understand,

you know, I agree with you on that. That was a great moment for me. I ain't going to lie. I'm not going to say here. I'm too big to appreciate the comment like that from Kevin Durant. I appreciate it the hell out of that.

Man, we appreciate you, Katie, man. Big week ahead for us. Obviously, like I said, Rod, this four-game street. we have Denver coming up. Then we, Denver tonight. And then we got Houston. And then we got on a back-to-back, we got Houston.

And then or it's either Houston and Minnesota or Minnesota and Houston. Big week. It's going to be tough. It's going to be tough. A tough week, especially riding a four-game losing streak. Tough, tough, tough week. Facing Joker tonight, I won't obviously be able to face him, which sucks. But that's all, you know, when you're playing against the Joker, it's always a tough matchup.

Because when Joker has the ball, he's one of the better scores in our league. I think he's averaging right around 30 points a game. Damn. But when he has the ball, everyone on the court is lie because he can find you and get the ball wherever you are if you're open. Yep. And so everyone else when he has the ball is live, as opposed to say, let's just throw DJ out there. Let's say DeAndre for that matter. If DeAndre got the ball, everybody not live because he can't necessarily make every play.

With Joker, he can make every single play. So everybody on the court with him is live at all the time. And it's not even just on scoring. It can be on the pass. It can be on the pick. We've never seen something like Joker, a point center. Strictly, like he's a center in a point guard body with a point guard brain. You know what I mean?

With one of them brains that, you know what I mean? You got to be one of the ones to have one of the minds like that to be able to play the way he plays. Yes. It's so unorthodox, right? But if you watch, he's really disappointed. really a point guard. He's Andre Miller, dude. He's like, Andre Miller in the, like his mind.

Andre Miller was brilliant. Like, brilliant. Man, he knows how to set the table. And then at the end of the game, he's going to walk you down in the post. And then he's going to start setting the table. It's like Joker's live all over the pushing it, which is a slow push. You're not ripping him. You know what I mean?

Like, yeah. That junker is something else, dude. He is, man. He's a tough cover. He a tough cover. And like I said, what makes him such a tough cover is, in most cases you'd say, hey, that guy going to get 30, it is what it is. You try to make it tough. Yeah.

With him, he's going to get 30 and 12 assists. That's the killer part. And 13 rebounds. That's the killer part. He just, he causes so much problems for your defense because of all of the things. things that he does. And the ball is touching his hand every position. I wish I was out there to help with that match up.

But in saying that, good luck, Loon and Trace. Let him get the experience. I wish I could help. I always love, like I just said, okay, I love playing against the grace, man, just to see how you stack up that night. You know what I'm saying? So I want to be out there, but. it's unfortunate

that I can't be I gotta get this calf together I just don't want it to go south so I gotta get this thing together it's tight right now but good luck Luna Trace

good luck dude Joker is my guy I think they're gonna learn a lot you know what I mean especially Trace you can learn a lot it's not the assists are not even like

they're not point guard assist no they're more potent because it's wide open shots or layups. So like, and it's coming from the big guy. Yeah. It's coming from the center. So to me it's mind-boggling because, yeah,

he can throw out a double team because he's going to get double-team. But he also, like, hitting dudes on the back door cut. You know what I mean? But coming, jumping in there, finding people open. And, like, that's, that's, that's, in here, bro. It's tough. Man, now you got the Rockets coming in on Thursday.

Second best team in the West. As you know, I picked them as my underdog, my sleeper, you know, for the season. I mean, I like what they're doing, you know, talk to me a little bit about the Rockets. And, like, you know, y'all played them already, right? Yeah, we played them without stuff, actually. Yeah, and tell me what you see now. Oh, yeah, that was a good game. I remember that guy.

Yeah. They came back. We ended up pulling the out in overtime, but they came back. Yeah. Eton was his name? Eaton. Yeah. Tar Eason.

Yeah. He was getting off. He played really well. He played really well in that game. No, but I'm not surprised at all that they're at, you know, right there at the top of the West, second best record in the West right now. Because they've made moves over the last couple of years that showed you that they, that that's where they want to be. You know, bringing in

a Fred Van Vleet, who's a proven winner, a champion, bringing him in with all those young guys, bringing in a Dylan Brooks who a lot of people hate, but you hate him because he play hard. You know, you hate him because he's always in the mix. You hate him because

he's going to fuck with your best player. You know what I'm saying? It's one of those guys. You hate to have them on your, you hate to play against them. People love having them on their team, right? Like, you bring in guys like that, even a sign that they made last year

that people don't talk about because he don't play much. Jeff Green. Oh, man. But you bring that veteran presence into that locker room with all those young guys. That stuff matters.

You know what I'm saying? Jalen, I talked about Jalen Green earlier in our season. I mean, our podcast season, and just the growth that I've seen from him. You know, Singoon. Like, the guy who doesn't, I'm going to tell you the guy who doesn't get talked about,

but I'm telling you, and I play against them, he is so important to what they do, but he don't get talked about at all much anymore. Jabari. Jabari Smith, Jr. Jabari Smith has turned into a guy who makes all the little plays, who he's always the guy that when you're on the court out there with them, he's like, come on, fellas, we could.

Like, he reassuring them to keep going. Like, he's turning into, like, one of the leaders of that team. You know what I'm saying? And he don't get talked about much. But Jabari Smith, Junior, you know what I'm saying? So I'm not surprised that they're having a good season. And then also obviously, E-May Udoker.

You know what I'm saying? E-May is different. E-May is an incredible coach, man. He's different. You know, what you see in Boston, what you see in Boston, credit to Joe Mazzula and what Joe Mizzula is done. But what you see in Boston, those guys are also a product of what E-May brought to them for that year that he was with him.

You know what I'm saying? And the mindset that he brought to those guys. The attitude, yep. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not extremely surprised that their, that the Rockies are playing this well. And then just looking ahead to,

then Ant Man and the Timberwell was after that. Yeah. They're starting to play better now. You know what I'm saying? They got off to a rough start. Since they called them out. Yeah. They started to play better as a late.

And so that's going to be a tough weekend as well. But on the flip side, when you look at tough games like this, and us on a four-game losing street, you can also win those games and write the ship. Like, this is one thing, you know what I'm saying? It's one thing to be a team that has an awful record and think like, oh, man, we got off the losing street. But to have to get off the loser street

against three teams, we're going to be playing against, those are the type of things that can write the ship and write the ship in a major way and seeing you on the run. Yes, sir. As tough as the opportunity is, like when you invest your money or anything else in life, the bigger the risk, the tougher it is,

the bigger the reward, the bigger to return. So, tough, tough week for us. And then not having you you know, tonight, now you start looking at that 13-man rotation and you say, oh, now a fan can say, okay, well Draymond is out like, we got

other players that have been playing, you know what I mean, that can do stuff. And like, now we feel like, okay, we still got a shot because we've been playing 13. You know what I'm saying? 100%. Oh, yeah, bro.

We'll be fine. We'll be fine. I like, you know, we... I like that. 13, what, 12 or 7 or something like that? We'll be I. Yeah, and it's early. You know what I mean?

Like, you ain't even hit 20 games yet. For sure. You know what I'm saying? For sure. Not yet. It's that 30 game mark. It's the 30 game mark and the 40 game mark. Once you hit the 30 game mark, okay, these next 10 games are the most critical games that we can play when you get to that 40 game because then you know how many games you can win, how many games you can lose if you make the playoffs or not.

That's what the calculations start. Exactly. So it's all good. Man, let's dive into what's going on around this league. My brother, there has been a lot, a lot of talk about. Brian, the shooting slump that he's been in as of late, he scored just 10 points against the Timberwolves, but he did have 27 and 14 against the Jazz.

However, the 27 and 14, he still had a rough shooting night, not hitting any threes. People have been on him not hitting threes as a late, I think. The last I've seen, he was 0 for his last 19. And so, of course, All the father time conversations have started up. Not yet.

Everybody wants to know is father time catching up with Brian. The answer is yes. Absolutely. The reason the answer is yes is because every year we get older in this league, like every year you get older, there's a point where you come in this

league and every year you get older, you get better because you get more experience, you're coming more into your prime, you're getting stronger, and then it gets, gets to a point to wherever year you get older, you have to address and adjust. And because now you're kind of over the hill of the more experience you get, the better it is for you. You're kind of over that hill now. And so it's father time catching up to him, absolutely, because father time

catches up to everyone. However, what where I disagree is, people are, saying, up, we just saw it. He's done now. We've been waiting on it. Now he's done. No, no, no. I disagree with that. Quite frankly, what it looks like to me right now is he's a little tired.

But you also have to remember, and I know all of y'all have forgot because you forget things so fast. But what you have to remember is, you know, they played into the playoffs last year. They fought an uphill battle to actually make it there and get to the playoff. and then he comes in and he does the Olympics. Yep. And that is a two-month, a two-month requirement. No time off. FYI.

No time off. And so what I think right now is I think Brian has just hit a little bit of a wall right now. Mm-hmm. When you hit walls, you eventually get through the wall. Bingo. But right now, I think he's a little tired and has hit a wall. Does that mean father time is catching up to him? The way y'all are saying it?

No. No. So still the same, Brian. Obviously not the same. Of course, again, he is getting older. But the way people are trying to throw it out there, like Father Time has caught him, and it's here in our face.

And we're just about to watch this decline happen. No shit. But what's your thoughts, BD? Well, brother, there is no decline. usually when you get older, right, you do a lot, what, less? Absolutely. Right? As you get older, you become a much better shooter.

You usually are getting shots created for you by someone else who's young, talented, got, you know, the most talent and used to be you. Look at Ray Allen. People only remember Ray Allen from Miami, but before that, Ray Allen used to do everything. You know what I mean? Jesus, Jesus. LeBron James, bro, is still playing the same way. He is creating the opportunities still for his teammates. Ain't nobody getting LeBron no open looks.

Ain't nobody getting LeBron no easy buckets. Like, he's still creating all of the, like, he has to create all the energy in the chaos and take it on his shoulders. You know what I mean? Because there hasn't been the young dude that has come along that compliment and say, you know what, OG, man, fall back. Let me get this triple double. You go give me some threes and do what you got to do.

He don't have that luxury. And he's on a team with the Lakers where he's still, you know, the best all-around player. One. You know what I mean? Outside A.D., he is the most needed person. because they got to glue up around him. And so slump, yes, tired, yes, father time, yes. All of those things play into everybody's career every year in the season,

whether you're a rookie, second year, like everybody hits a little snack where it's just like, hey, man, it's cold. You know what I mean? It's cold in these aren't getting the shots. You know what I mean? I ain't get my rhythm. But you best believe when the Lakers play again, he'll get over that slump

I'm not even worried about it you know what I mean I mean so you know I remember playing against Mike bro when he played for the Wizards and you know he came into Charlotte and it was like that was the craziest shit I'd ever seen

there was no camera phones but it was all kind of camera flashing and felt like everybody was recording with a camera phone that's how many cameras was flashing when he went to the free throw law and I was sitting there like damn man you know I had 32 that night.

And in my mind, I was like, damn, bro. Like, I'm Michael Jordan at night. You know what I mean? I am your copton now. And I was just looking at him like, yeah, okay. Just, you know, sizing him up. Like, man, you brought all this attention for me. I'm out here.

I'm Michael Jordan tonight. You feel me? I was on one. I bet you wouldn't say that to me, Jay. No, I didn't say nothing. No way. No way. I would never. I would never say nothing. I was just giving him that look like,

like, bro, you brought all this for me. Cool. Okay. They're going to be worrying about me tonight. And then we go on the road and we're playing the Washington Wizards. And we got, you know, we got Washington. They weren't that good either. We're like, man, we're about to go ahead. We're about to pop them again. I'm about to give me another, you know,

I'm going to give me another 25, 12. I'm going to do a different on the road. And I watched this dude in the first quarter score, 17 points. Oh, he went off. J-Mond, I watched. I was not participating, bro. I was so mesmerized. I was guarding T. Lou.

Hey, if you watch the clips, you'll see me. Never help. Never help. And the Cubs call the time out. He's like, yo, what the hell you're doing? Y'all just going to let this man get cooked? It was Lee Nangling. I said, damn, bro.

My bad. I was just watching. Like, I was just watching. I got your help. I was like, man, I got your help. Let me get him. So I guard him the first time. I know he's going to the fade.

So, Bumo, he goes to the fade. I'm on top of the fade. He goes to fade. I'm like, man, get that shit. And he leaned back, dressed like another is and shoot the ball. Wow. Okay. All right.

I got this, fool. He goes to the post again. Well, well, I know this shit coming. You're about to turn to the middle. Who, who? Turn to the middle. Oh, up and under. Lay up.

Hey, somebody else kept this. I'm going back over here with T. Lou. I'm about to watch. I'm cool. This is not cool. Hey, dude. And, you know, you see somebody like Mike, like that and LeBron

like it's the same thing it's like be careful because they they don't remember but that Mike story was like damn dude like I'm just watching him I'm like damn dude what kind of cologne you got like what kind of cologne this this thing is smell good and shit out here you know what I'm like

you know like bro you he had that weak as Michael Drunk Colon that bullshit Michael Jordan Cullone. Yeah, but whatever it was, whatever it was, Michael Jordan

was so, he was like an enigma, dude. He was like a, it was just like, oh shit. You fucked. So as you do that, you fuck. You can't, like, but you're gonna do that. Oh, damn, this is Michael Jordan. You're like, hi, Michael Jordan. Like, fuck you.

You know, Mike, Mike talks shit to everybody. Ashole. But dog, Imagine like your favorite player. The dude, you idolized. Like, you know what I mean? Dude, you watch some TV. And you're like, y'all, I'm in the league.

Like, what's up, Michael Jordan? Like, shut the fuck up. I feel that. That's what happened to me with Kobe. Kobe did you like that? Same thing happened to me with Kobe, bro. I'll never forget it. I got subbed in.

Number one, I watched this whole workout and missed everything that I was supposed to do. I was like, then I got subbed in. I needed to get to stop. And I got to stop. I'm the game winning shot. I got to stop. He missed the fade away.

I was like, hell yeah. That ain't had nothing to do with you, young fella. I just missed. I said, man. Man, yeah. I have something to do with me. You just missed. Oh, man.

That's sick. Trust me. I get it. So I know, I know exactly. how that feel. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, since we've been talking about the mohairs and the goats, shout out to MJ,

shout out to LeBron, we're looking at ESPN-25-Lis. I really hate putting numbers next to people. You know what I mean? But you always, you know, you got a rank. You got Wemby at one. Top five, Wemby, Anthony Edwards, Paolo, Franz Bogner,

Chet Holmgren. and then after that Tyrese Halliburton Maxie Evan Moblee Jaylon Williams and uh Saguam that's the top 10

out of the top 10 is Scotty Barnes Lamello, K. Cunningham Zion, Brandon Miller ahead of Zion uh Darius Garland Yeah Darius Garland

I mean obviously the order as well but a lot of times you know people are just judging off talent and not off of what the actual work they put in. You know what I mean? 1,000% I hate these lists.

Yeah, I was going to say that. I hate these lists with a passion because, okay, so Dyson Daniels is having a pretty good season, really good season with Atlanta. Just two months ago, no one believed in Dyson, Now he's 23 on the list. Yeah.

No Cam Thomas. That's a notable. That's crazy. That's a notable one that's been left off. What justifies Tyrese Halliburton being in front of Jail and Williams? Because don't get me wrong, I think Tyrese Halliburton is very good player. I think Tyrese, he's obviously an All-Star. I think Tyreys Halliburton, you know, Olympic gold medalist, Tyrese,

He's Halliburton doing it. He's putting it together. Why isn't he hired? But when I look at he is higher than Jaylor Williams, but when I look at it, when you say ESPN 25-125, I think Jalen Williams has more upside. Jalen Williams is 6'9,

can pass the ball, can shoot the ball, can get to the cup, two weeks ago, play center for two weeks, and then switches to point guard. Yeah, he's sick. When I look at stuff like this, I'm just like, but who validates that? Because, yes, Tyrese has done more, right?

But Jalen Williams, I think the upside way, I think the upside of Jalen Williams is, by the way, not just Tyreys Halliburton. I think the upside of Jaylen Williams is hired than a lot of people on this. A lot of people on the list. It ain't just Tyrese Halliburton. But think about Tyrese Halliburton,

All-Star. For sure. Olympic gold medalist. And he's seven. He's seven. So based on accomplishments, right? If I'm Tyrese, it clearly ain't based off that. Yeah, if I'm Tyrese, I'm like, yo, this makes no sense.

Why am I seven? Exactly. When you look at my resume versus everybody else under 25, I got the resume. Wembe, Anthony Edwards, Pallo, I can get with them. But I am also upset that how is Lamello Ball? Not number one. Who's also an all-star? He should be number two.

If they say, okay, Wimby is, you know, he has the next opportunity to be the most phenomenal. Lamello Ball, you know, I'm biased, bro. But nobody is fucking with Lamello Ball. You hear me? I know you, I know you, I know. Hey, there's Steph. You know what I mean? and then when La Mello came, oh, man, La Mello Ball.

I know you, by the way, I love Mello Game. I love Mello game. But BD, don't get off track. This list, bro. Like, it's just not justified by anything. Okay, so for instance, if we're going to say resume, right, with Tyrese, which, again, I'm a big Tyrese fan, so I'm not taking anything from Tyrese. I don't want it to come off that way.

But if you're taking resume into account, Gary's Garland is also an all-star He also all-star Zion Williamson was also an all-star So you can't necessarily be taken in like the resumes into account because there's non-all-stars Higher than All-Stars

Bingo And so I just I hate these lists because There is no basis for it Right there's like What's the criteria? What is the criteria? Shout out to the Iceman George Garland. and I asked him about Hall of Famers every All-Star weekend.

And you know what his response is? What is the criteria? What is the criteria? So we have to start having some type of criteria or else, you know, this list don't make no goddamn sense at all. It just don't. I mean, Jeremy Johnson having a hell of the year, but he won behind Zion. Like Zion is Zion and Zion, bro. Like, what are you guys talking about?

Like, what is it based on? And then this list come from ESPN, right? Here's where it gets too contradictory for me. This list comes from ESPN. They say Zion's the 16th best 2525. And I just watched those ESPN last week. Tim McMahon said Zion should be cut. He said the contract, Zion's contract.

Hey, bro, I heard that. It's drawn up so that he is cuttable. could be released. And then ESPN. Everybody in the league go on them. What are you talking about? But aside from everybody else in the league, one of them, the very publication

that just has someone from their core group of people that covered his sport just has someone up there that said, this man should be cut. That same publication then puts him as the 16th best 2525. What is the validate? Like, I'm,

I hate these lists. They are so stupid. It's just like you just picking names out of a hat. Or are you just asking people around the office? Like, who are your favorite players? It's almost like, who are your favorite players? That's what it looks like. Who are your favorite players?

Rank your favorite players, one through 25. But like, you know, and not just throw no jobs at ESPN, but God damn, man. I've been doing it for a long time. But as you get, you know, as we get more into this next gen, this new generation, we got to have some validation metrics or, you know, they have to reveal who are the people deciding on this phone. What is good for debate, though?

Because they're all, they're way off. They're way off. They're way off. We ain't going to argue with you, ESPN. We're just going to argue about the list. How about that? And La Mello Ball is 12. No,

I'm sorry. He is the swag. He is the swag. He is, he is, who on there got the, got, who got game swag? Winby, okay.

Who on there got game swag, bro? Edman. Not like Lemelo. Amman different. Come on now. Man, Edman. I love it. Edman.

It's different. But I think Ant Man going in the wrong direction, though. You could. Explain that. He's not making Minnesota exciting to watch. He don't drive to the hole enough. We still love him because he's talented. But you don't think he's taking that next step?

No. I think he's taking steps. And, like, he had proven his game. He ain't took the leap. He don't need to be taking no goddamn steps. He need to go jump out there, do more. I just want to see him do more, right? Because when I go watch Minnesota, it's like, yeah, he bawling, right?

But you're not the, like, you got to be the reason why you win every game. Yeah. You got to be the reason why every game is won. It's got to be fear when Ant Man walk in the building. And it's got to be a mystique like, oh, he's going to dunk on somebody. We're going to see some shit. Or we're going to see this, like, incredible performance. How old is John Morant, by the way?

Jai Morant is now over 25, if I'm not mistaken. John Moran got that shit. You feel what I'm saying? Under 25. So I think Jock could be 25. But he probably turned his city. But I would have loved to see where they would have put child on this list. I would have loved to see that.

I think they should have had 25-year-olds still on the list, but I get it. I do too. I want to see Ed make that next step. You know who I do like, Franz Wagner? Fran Bagner. Fran Bagner is a problem. Hey, dog, he is a problem. I ain't seen nobody be a mismatch problem.

He's the ultimate mismatch. I was watching him work, boy, that boy works. You know what I mean? He worked. He's a season score. He's going to be one of those dudes who wind up with 15, 12, 15,000 points, 20,000 points. He just know how to find a good bucket. You know what I mean?

He knows how to find himself a good bucket. Shout out to him. Obviously, Ballin Johnson. I like, I know Jalen Williams. But the Cam Thomas stuff, man. I think Cam Thomas should have. have been on this list. I agree.

Before we get out of here, get at me. Get at me. Fans, we always want to hear from you. BD. and I would answer your questions every week, so make sure you submit them on social. It may make it on the pod. At Davis underscore Joshua, Jemann, now that you've been in the league

for 13 seasons, is there another player in the league that you see similar to yourself? Is there another player in the league I see similar to myself? I see guys that have some of what I do, but I don't see guys that have all of what I do, I'm honest. You know, I see guys that's like, oh, man, he got it defensively, but maybe not necessarily the playmaking, you know,

or he got the playmaking but can't necessarily check, you know. So I've seen guys that I'm like, man, I like this guy. he do X, Y, and Z. But I don't quite think I've seen anyone that do all of what I do. Just my opinion. Grant Williams. You don't think otherwise? That's disrespectful to me.

That's so disrespectful. I'm not sure what I do that he do in the office. That's just... Cut. That's disrespectful, man. That's crazy. I mean... That's crazy, man.

Wow. That's... I really wish to Greg Williams to speedy recovery from his injury. But they look up to you, bro. And I appreciate guys looking up to. Yeah, they patterned they gave. He's not similar to you, you know what I mean? But it's a lot of these guys who like, man, I could be a Draymond Green.

And I love that. I love that guys think that. Yeah, there's no Draymond Green. You're a one of one. You're a one-on-one. The common mistake that make, though, is if you're trying to pattern yourself to be Dreyman Green, the common mistake that people make is, when I came into the league, I was a score. Yeah.

So you can't just, like, raise a kid from the age of 12 and be like, yo, I want you to be just like Draymond Green. Because then what you end up missing, you end up not a lot. No, yeah, it's a compliment for sure. And I take that compliment. But what I'm saying is sometimes this is something that I've come across. I see parents telling their kid like, yo, I want you, like you should watch film with Draymond and try to be just like Draymond. And I never talk about this, but I always kind of want to throw it out there, which is,

but don't teach that kid not to score. Because that's a role that I had to take on at this level in order to be successful in the situation that I was seen. You evolved into that. Absolutely. You involved, like, bro, I got to tell you. You're a 101, right? So when you're a 101, you're a moan.

For sure. So there will never be another Draymond Green ever. I appreciate that. It'll never be, it always be somebody to be like, damn, I really fuck with him. Or damn, I really like how he get down. There's always going to be something that reminds you of the ones you really gravitate to and like. But they're never going to be you.

because you're a mold. You did what I'm saying? For sure. And so when you are one of one, like you're a one of one mode, everything that comes after you is looking at you and saying like, oh, this is out my path to do this. This is how I can do it. And shout out to them for choosing you as a mode, right?

Because they're never going to be you. And so the greatest way, right, for you not to be Magic Johnson, right, or me not to be Magic Johnson was to try my best to follow somebody who's a one-on-one. So I can create my own thing. You know what I mean?

That's a fact. I was just giving you a flowers, bro. I appreciate that, bro. You're a mold. You know what I mean? So all these young dudes is looking at, they're looking at J-Mond Green as a mole. Yes, that's true.

One of one piece of art. That's like, how the fuck did he paint this way? Bingo. 100%. No, and like I said, I see guys around the league like with some of the stuff

that I do, you know, and I'm like, wow, you know, I really like that, you know, that guy is taking that on. You know what I'm saying? But you'll start recognizing it more. You'll start recognizing it more now, right? You'll start recognizing. I think like as you get older,

like you'll start seeing it in dudes and even dudes on the other team, you're going to start giving them little. Oh, okay. Oh, I see. this dude probably studied me. You know what I mean? And like he, like when you got into him

with the kids in Washington. Yeah. Oh, man, that was, you got to think. You are mold, bro. And them kids is like, they're like, man, I can't wait till they get to the league. I wish that fool would say something to me. I'm going to let him know.

I'm cut like you. I'm cut like you. How many people tell you, bro, I'm cut just like you. All the time. Jose Alvarado as soon as he came to the league. He's like, Dre, I'm cut like you. Bro, you're a mole. You're a mole.

I mean, that's it. That's the show. It'll be a Hall of Famer, legend, and you have, you have, now somebody's going to create their own custom shoe off your mold. I appreciate that, brother. My dog.

Hey, man, I got one question for BD before we get out of here, and it comes from Sunny. I'm just going to spell this. Y'all are not going to. to make a fool out of me. At S-U-N-N-I-Q-U-A-B-E-R-I-N-4-7-1-7. Sunny-A-R-A-R-A-N is what it looked like it says to me.

I don't know. Sandy Quadrant. Sunny Quadrant. Yeah. Okay. Sunny Quadron 4-717. Baron, what play do you feel was the most iconic of your career? I'm going to answer that question for you.

It's the Baron Davis duck on Andre Carolinko. But can you give me a play that embodies you? And again, this is Sunny Quadrant Scrucester. A play that fully embodies you as a player, who you are or who you were as a player. Yeah, I definitely don't think it was the Carolinko dunk that just fully embodied. I think it embodied my energy.

There's a play that I made in the, my, like, my first playoffs that I was, like the man, I had a triple double against Orlando. And there was a play that I made where I caught the ball, dribble, put it behind my back, spun twice, spun again, shot a bank shot. You know what I mean? And it was like, I never really get credit for, like, the handles

or the moves or the passes. And so, like, something like that, I would probably say, like, embody my game more. Like, people just, like, used to dunk because I used to want to make it on ESPN. You know what I mean? You have to like figure out a way to get a highlight and, you know, making passes and shaking people weren't really the thing.

But that, that would be, you know, it was against T-Mac. I hit him with the spin, another spin, a little scissors kick, bank shot. That was just like, okay, BD, you got some pearls. By. It most definitely did. But Carolinko was like the one that was like, boom. Like that gave me the name. that was crazy.

I've seen that play a million times being that I'm a dog. I've seen that play a million times. But that is a wrap in this episode of the Dremont Green show with my dog BD, the OG. We're out. Love, bro.

We're out. Y'all keep tuning in. We appreciate y'all. Peace. Peace.