The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis: Best Of February: Luka To The Lakers, Jimmy Butler Joins Warriors, Jokic + Westbrook A Perfect Match

Episode Date: March 2, 2025

Draymond and Baron’s top takes from February!  Draymond Green and Baron Davis react to the Golden State Warriors acquiring Jimmy Butler via a trade with the Miami Heat. Draymond explains how Stephen Curry told him that adding Jimmy would kickstart this Warriors core's "last ride" in pursuit of a fifth NBA championship (2:30). Draymond shares how Steph Curry informed the Golden State Warriors team of the trade between Anthony Davis and Luka Doncic during a charity event. They point out that while it might bring some quick wins, there are also some big risks that Mavs GM Nico Harrison is taking with this bold move he made with the Los Angeles Lakers (28:30). They react to the reports that Utah Jazz GM Danny Ainge had no clue he was helping facilitate the Luka Doncic-Anthony Davis trade between the Los Angeles Lakers and Dallas Mavericks until the last minute (58:00).  They break down the shocking Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis NBA trade and what this trade means for LeBron James' future in Los Angeles, what this trade reflects about the modern NBA and the CBA, and how they think Luka and LeBron will mesh under JJ Redick (1:06:30). They comment on LeBron James posting on social media that he, Luka Doncic, and Austin Reaves are the Lakers new "Big 3" poised to make noise in the NBA playoffs (1:14:00)  They talk about how Russell Westbrook has made a great comeback this year with the Denver Nuggets after stints with the Los Angeles Lakers and Clippers. Baron breaks down why playing with Nikola Jokic is a perfect fit for Westbrook's game (1:26:00).  Finally, they don’t hold back while responding to former Chicago Bulls star Scottie Pippen’s recent comments about winning six NBA championships without Michael Jordan and never having shared a dinner with him. On top of that, they addressed Pippen’s claim of being better than LeBron James (1:34:00). (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Herd Follow The Draymond Green Show on social media:  https://www.instagram.com/draymondshow https://x.com/DraymondShow https://www.facebook.com/people/Draym... https://www.tiktok.com/@draymondgreen...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. How you feeling, though? I feel great, brother. You know, it's been a while since I've gone into basketball games, like, with that feeling of like, oh, yeah, we're going to go, it's win. And it's been two games here when nobody's getting ahead of themselves, but I can only tell you how these two games will feel. Now let them know.

That's just how it feels great, bro. Like, you know, and stuff going to get harder. We don't have to figure stuff out, you know, I know when it's right. I could see it. I could see it. I can feel it. And the Bugs game,

you got up for the big time block against Gary Trent, Jr. You know, they're talking about defensive player of the year conversations is back up. Steph, got to Steffing, got to Sheffin. Jimmy Butler,

got to serving, Willem and Dealing. Post-game, Steph said, Jimmy Butler's impact on him. Every possession doesn't feel this hard. What is the biggest takeaway from these two games since Jimmy has joined the team?

That's a fact, bro. And that's on everybody, though, bro. Like, that's on everybody, offensively and defensively. Like, he, when he draw, it's crazy because in a weird way, he draws so much attention. Yeah.

But obviously, I've played with Steph for 13 years. So, drawing attention. to me looks a certain way, you know? We played for 12 years. Draw attention. And obviously with KD for three years. But Jimmy draw attention differently than in a different way. But draw a lot of attention.

And it's crazy because Jimmy is interesting, man. Again, playing with Steph, one of the most incredible things that Steph does is play without the ball. Jimmy has that same thing. When Steph said, yo, we have like opposite games. Like it's on so many different levels. Like when step is running around like to find an opener to get the ball, Jimmy is like just working on the backside, like nudging it.

Like it's crazy. They break the defense down the same way but different. Like, amen. And so, yeah, I understand what Steph is saying. I agree with what Steph is saying. Like, Steph just looked more free. But I'm going to tell you, yeah, he looked, he got, he looked like he got belief. That's all, like, that's all it is.

He energized. Steph, he looked like he got belief. He said to me in Utah, after the trade, he looked at me and he said, man, it's crazy because it just dawned on me that like, this is it. This is the last ride. That's right. Like, and I said, yeah. let's do it.

Let's ride. Let's ride to the wheels, ball off. Guns blazer. It was an emotional moment, but yeah. Like, Jimmy, man, it's crazy, brother. Wait, it's crazy because people draw, as you know in this league, people have learned how to draw bullshit files. This dude, Jimmy, he really, like, he really make people file him.

Like, they are actually real files. He just got a knot for it, man. It's brought this balance of like, we can really slow our offense down because you got somebody that's like, like Steph says, stuff dominates from the perimeter. Like we all, I mean, the world knows that.

You got somebody now that's dominate inside the three-point line, which naturally slows the office down, which I think we needed to slow the office down some anyway because we don't have the same talent and IQs that Andre Alishan Livingston, and David West. It's not the same weapons.

And so it's a little different. And Jimmy allows us to slow down. So when you go run, right? But it's cool to slow down. And man, and then defensively, it's incredible. Jimmy, Jimmy, we called, Jimmy did already earn his name, Megatron. Jimmy told him he came to me before the first. game in Chicago, he said, hey, man, throw me the ball high.

He said, if you throw me the ball high, I may not finish it, but I want to get it and bring it down. He said, but nobody else's going to get it. If you just throw the ball high, so I just throw the ball up, he's going to grab every one of them. For sure. That's his play. That's his play.

Yeah, and man, he literally, he made good. He's just throw it up, I will go get it. Man, it's been so fun, competing with a gym. And I must tell you to BD, he'd been kicking my eyes and dominoes, bro. For real? He'd been kicking my eyes. He's trashed it. That's not true.

That's not. It's been very competitive games. How's it past. It's been very competitive games, but then he pulled away. He got a little luck on this side, too. Like, I'm up 20 points. He pulled 5'5. Like, he got a little luck on this side too, but he's been, I got to give him his credit.

Okay, okay. Hey, Jimmy, okay. You know, I don't really be speaking on Jimmy. I try not to speak on him in a situation, but now that he with the doves, I can tell you what my observation is. And it hit me before he got to the, like before he played his first game.

Because you sitting there, you like, damn, how is this going to work? And then they were showing highlights, and then they showed a couple of games that he played in the finals. And I realized something. Jimmy Butler is the superstar that's always open. He's always open, right?

He's always open. Yeah. Also, he always has a, he never gets double T. Yeah. He's always in a scoring position. He's always one or two dribbles away. And all the little, little bullshit shenanigans that come with defense, deflections, steals, turn it, like, that's Jimmy's magic.

You feel what I'm saying? That's his magic. And then when you take that to what the Warriors haven't had, free throws. Absolutely. Y'all never went to the free throw line, bro. Y'all was winning championships not going to the free throw line, which was like crazy. Now you add free throws. This dude gets filed all the time.

they really be following. He a bully, right? He a bully, right? Not just on offense, but also on defense, right? He's an incredible help to feel. And on top of that, he got a new life. And so him being a villain, right, with J-Mond, who's already a villain, who was just waiting for another villain to come into the room to wake up.

And Steph, who's a super villain, and people don't understand that Steph is in his best mode when the odds are stacked against stuff. And so now you got this kind of, this villain mentality, this hungry mentality, and nobody's going to punk you guys. Nobody's going to IQ out IQ you. And you can't just chase.

Steph around because Jimmy gets twos. He gets twos and ones, putbacks, right? He don't need the ball for a long amount of time to go get 30, you know, 30, 40, man, I'm watching this. I'm like, oh, my God.

Hey, when y'all, what was it? Was it the Bulls game? Steph went crazy, right? Mm-hmm. Just him catching fire like that, right? Yeah. But then you got Jimmy on the back end getting tools,

K-man ones, getting putbacks. I'm excited. He bring a lot. He bring a lot that all the intangible, all the intangible, all that shit is what people don't value, but what makes superstar, superstar. Shout out to Mike down the league, you, man, because I'm so happy Jimmy didn't end up in Phoenix.

Oh, my God, that would have been awful. And what Jimmy has brought here, when you talk about like two bullies. It's crazy because he just, he's brought that sense of, back of, oh, we can win. And everybody feels that. And so the bar has been raised.

And we know what that bar need to be raised, too. Like, we know what it. Mm-hmm. And so the bar has been raised so much so that you talk about Steph these last four games. We all feel that and excited. I got a warning apparently from the league the other day that the last few games I've been playing too aggressive

and that they're warning me. What does that mean? I don't know. What does that mean? I don't see nothing wrong. Exactly. But apparently me being in go-win mode is a problem. So another thing we've never seen,

in a long time we haven't seen it. Steph went out the game. It was a two-point lead or four-point league. When he checked back into the game, it was 17. Yeah. He checked back into the game like seven or eight minutes to go on the fourth. Yeah.

Delete 17. That's the impact of Jiminy. That's the relief. Yeah. Steph gets to really look at the game, right? Steph Curry has had the biggest responsibility of having to make in-game decisions and change his pattern, right? I would say this year has been, you know,

trying because all eyes on step. If Steph don't step, then nobody else is really open. Or if people are not open, then Steph don't get the shots. And so you see him making a lot of in-game adjustments. And you brought this to my attention how people prepare game plans for stuff. And so that's, you know, to switch your style up in the middle of the game to be effective. right a lot of great like only the greats can do it but it's hard to have that relief to be able to sit on the bench and say oh okay now i know when i get in

all i got to do is a little bit more mid-rains to the hole like seeing step play not just three-point basketball but mid-range getting to the hole rebounding he playing, he playing like he playing in his Jordan era. Yeah. Right? These last few games he did in his Jordan era where it's like, I want to play winning basketball and I can see that. I can feel

that watching you guys. 100%. Everybody on the same type of time falling in line. I told the guys out through the Laker game, I say, yo listen, that second half, we don't do moral victories around here, but this is about to look different now

with Jimmy coming here. I told the guys, I said this about about to look different. Him and Steph, Jimmy's locker was right. Jamie wasn't there, but then Steph was right. I was like, so listen,

this is what we're on. We're going to follow these two guys. Mm-hmm. I promise you, if we follow these two guys, we're going to get there. Promise. Yep.

And from that point, the bar has been raised, and you can feel it. Everyone around feels it. Mm-hmm. And it's what we need it. Jimmy, like I said, Jimmy on that same type of time,

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which would be in Chicago where he started his career. Amazing. He would have had that game that he had. So putting emphasis on the third. Saying goodbye to Wigs. You know, winning a championship with Wigs. I think Wiggs has been here for six years. Yeah, six years, man.

And, you know, to see him go, that always sucks. That is the business. D.S., Kyle, Lindy, those guys. It's been a lot going on around the league. Also, Lucas first game with the Lakers. So make sure you hit that subscribe button so you don't miss any of the episodes. That's right.

Follow the show on all social media platforms at Dremont Show. So you don't miss any of these, I mean, huge announcements, right? Steve Curry talked about Jimmy's passing and how he was hitting you with some nice passes in the Bucks gang. Are you surprised with that part of his game? You know what? I'm not surprised because Jimmy's a guy who, you know, all his career has gotten triple doubles.

He's always been a willing passer can always pass the hell out of the ball. And so I'm not surprised at all. And I'm telling you another thing that Jimmy does is teams going in that zone. Jimmy go to the middle of the zone now. He got right in the middle of the zone. Sit right there. He hit me with some back door passes, working the dunker. He hitting guys for threes.

but most importantly, he turned around and shoot the little midy and fade away. Right? And so you get every option with Jim. That was my role. Yeah, that was my role

with Nelly in the zone. Get in the middle of the zone right by that, right underneath the elbow. They can't do nothing about it. You one drivel away from Malaya, fade away, dunk, ghost person,

outlet. Yeah. I like the, his basketball IQ is like y'all just, automatically same. Yeah, his basketball IQ is top ticket. Got him.

I've been learning from him these, just these past few days and a couple games playing. Like, you just hear different things he say. He's so locked in, bro. Like, he locked in, and he's smart. So I'm happy to have an opportunity to learn from a guy like Jimmy.

But I'm not surprised at all about a pastor. I know he's a great pastor, but I tell you what I did. He came to the sideline. yesterday, and he had passed up a shot, and he was like, I should have shot that. I said, brother, let me tell you something. This team, though, needs your passing at all. What this team is you to score.

Like, we need you to go score 25 and 30 points. You're a great passer like Steph, so you're naturally going to see the pass where he's there, but we need you to think, shoot first, score first, 25, 30 points. Like, that's what we need you to be. He was like, all right, he went back out there, foul, get filed. bucket and one. That's what we need. We need you to be the hype.

Yeah, you need Miami-Gimmy. And shout out to the heat for that type of basketball. And the way he played that basketball fits directly into what you guys need because he can be the playmaker. But him being aggressive on the offensive end is all one-on-one matchups. Yeah. He get more one-on-one matchups. There any dude I know, any superstar I know in the league, right?

And his is always 15 feet away from the basket, catch two dribbles getting the paint. You know, he is tough to guard. That he is. One-on-one when he is below the free throw line. Free one, I was something I want to throw out there about Jimmy also and just what you just said about Miami-Heed-Jenney. The do dopest thing about that to me is we actually do need Miami-Hidney,

and I think every day he's figuring that out more and more, which is five. Because we here at this place, we encourage you, be exactly who you are, like don't hear him try to like, oh, like be exactly who you are.

And I think he's figuring that out each day. Everybody like, no, just go. Like, no shut. Nope, just go. And he's figuring out more and more. But I'm going to tell you the dopest thing about that whole dynamic. Like he is about to be here

and be the Miami-Heed Jimmy for sure. I'm going to tell you the dopest thing about that to me is, the lack of insecurity of Steph Curry. Right. Just like, oh, yeah, come on, bro. Like, Steph on a party. Open on.

So many people will lack the self-confidence in themselves be in that position that Steph Curry in and have another alpha, like, number one option, like Jimmy come in and be like, oh, yeah, bro, like, go do your thing. Like, it's cool. Like, that is the power of Steph Curry. Curry, man. I look at it like this.

Steph is the DJ. He wants a party. Right? Now you got Draymond. Draymond security making sure nobody mess with the DJ and nobody get out of line. Now you got Jimmy

and then Steph played the music. Jimmy can dance to any rhythm of song. Absolutely. So now you got the party promoter. You got your security and you got your DJ. And like, man,

And, you know, that mechanism of Steph won in the party, meaning, you know, he encourages success. Yes. Right. He encourages happiness. He needs that. He needs everyone else to do their job and someone else to do extra work to take some pressure off of him. One thousand percent. And it's fire, bro.

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I saw a meme, by the way, that it's such a shocking trade. I saw a meme that said everybody so shocked that Luca got traded there. We acting like Anthony Davis is Hassan White Soxat. And that couldn't be more accurate. No disrespect to Osam because I think for Assan to go from a second round pick, to, you know, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was an all-star.

If not, he got really close. I think he was a one-time all-star. But signing a $100 million contract, second round pick, out the league, G-League, whole thing,

work his way back and do that. A lot of respect for us on and what he did in this league. So no disrespect to him, but I thought that meme was hilarious because everyone act like they didn't get anything. Anthony Davis back.

Like, you know, and everybody like, oh, they got, they should have got so many picks. Bro, they got, yeah, they got Anthony Davis at 31. Yeah, you got AD. He damn there in every category. Like, he's top five right now in every category. And no disrespect to Luca, but Anthony Davis is a top 75 player in the NBA history.

Luca's not that yet. Now, he has the potential to be that. And he would be 100 by the time. you know, top 100 by the time the next one come out. But Anthony Davis is a perennial off-star, a top 75. And everyone acting like he's a nobody, you know, but nonetheless, I think it was very shocking. I personally was at the Warriors poker charity night when the trade went down. And I'm, I'm, Steph's two tables behind me.

And Steph goes, Draymond, you see this? I'm like, you know, I had heard of a, I had heard like the warriors were looking at making some trades and all of that. So he goes, you see this? And I'm like, see what? He liked the trade. I said, they did it? I'm thinking he talking about it's something that just came up with us.

He like, Luke and AD. I said, huh? What? I walk around his table. He showed me the phone. I'm like, the question that everyone had. Is this real?

I look closer like, it's from Shams. It's real. It's real. They call from Shams. You could bet you a bottom dollar. It's real. Man, I was at a loss.

I'm still at a lost words. I'm still like, AI generated or like for real? Like it still has a hit. I think now it's starting to hit, you know, everybody's saying their farewells. But when you heard about the trade, like, why do you think the Mavericks would do a trade like this?

I think a couple reasons. Number one, where were you? I feel like this is one of those things that you, it's such a big deal that you always remember where you were when it happened. Where were you when this trade went down? I feel like I was. was at, I was chilling with my girl, and she showed me. That's crazy.

And I called bullshit. And I called bullshit. I was like, man, I had some bullshit. And then I looked and I was like, up, Shams. It's over. It's real. It's real. So when I look at this trade, I think it happens for a couple of reasons.

Number one, as great as Luca Donchich is, he was not drag. by the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks, the current general manager. That's true. And so, as great as he is, general managers have in their mind how they see fit for a team that they construct and how they want it to work,

how they see it working, how they see themselves getting to it and winning a championship. Now, the first thing people would say is, but Luca just went to the finals last year, so they closed. And I'll say, I agree. Luca did go to the finals last year.

But what I'll also say is sometimes making it that far to the Western Conference Finals, sometimes that can be a little fools go. Look at the Atlanta Hawks. What was it, three years ago, three, four years ago going to the Eastern Conference Finals. Barely has sniffed the playoff since.

Sometimes it can be a little fool's gold when you make it that far. No, I don't think Dallas was fools gold. I think they made great trades. Mayor, last year acquired PJ Washington, Daniel Gaffert, who helped boost their lineup and put them in contention to compete for a championship. And they got there. They got close. I weren't quite able to close it.

So now, when you look at that, as that general manager, you're going back to the drawing board and you're saying, what do we need to do in order to get over to hump? Quite honestly, I don't think anyone in the world would think the thing to do is Trey Lucidantian. I don't think anyone does that. But when I saw the trade, my first thought was, Dallas must know something that we don't know.

That's, man, I've been saying that. They must know something. They must have some intel or something. You know, Lucas has been dealing with a calf, right? Like, I'm like, they must have some intel or something that we don't quite know. Yeah. So that's one of my first thoughts. Yeah, second thought is naturally like, superstar players don't get traded in their prime at 25.

And the middle of the scene. I'm not even sure if he's considered in his prime yet, right? Right. But at 25, and you're right, at the trade deadline, like big trades like that. That's crazy. Don't normally happen at the trade deadline. And so when I look at it, I'd say, Nico Harrison, who's the general manager of the Dallas Myers, for those that don't know, has, like, when I look at the makeup of his team, he'd go get to Kyrie Irvin that everybody's afraid of.

everybody think Kyrie's off his rocker, everybody think he won't be able to be talked to. However, due to being the guy at Nike for so many years, Nico already had a relationship with Kyrie, and he thought to himself, I can deal with Kyrie. So I'm going to go get Kyrie.

And guess what? It's been stellar. Kyri's been stellar. He's been locked in. So Operation Successful. So there's that. You didn't give up a ton to get them, right? Like, so operation is successful.

Super. So now when I look at that and then I take a step back and look at this trade, my first thought is, or second thought, here's a guy who you see the Lakers say, ah, they're worried a little bit about 80s durability. They don't think he's a 1A guy, X, Y, and Z. Then you got Nico Harrison, who's like, yeah, y'all may not think he's a 1A guy. But what I know for sure is he's a 1A talent.

Yeah. And so with my relationship, with Jay Keir's relationship, because he played, you know, Jay Keel was on the coaching staff when they won a championship in 2020, that Jared Dully's relationship with AD, I think we can get AD to play at that 1A level consistently. And I think that's the bet that they're making. But more importantly, the bet that they're making is If this ship is going to go down If I'm going to go down, if I'm Nico Harrison,

What I see is him saying, I'm going to go down with someone I trust, not necessarily someone that the GM before me trust. And yes, Lucas is a superstar. Yes, Luke is great. But Luca was never Nico's guy. Nico's, yeah, that's true. And now Nico is bringing in his guy and saying,

I'm a swing for the fences. And if I fell, I fail. but I fell doing it my way. And you got to respect someone who's willing to take that stance. I mean, I agree, dude. He is doing it the way he want to do it, right? Something about the Luca thing, even though they went to the finals,

I think for him, it was, there needs to be a final piece. Right. I think they also experienced like, hey, you know, Dallas got, Dallas got cracking. Dallas got hot in the playoffs. Luca got hot in the playoffs.

But it was really the team that played so well, right, that allowed Luca to beat Luca in Luca moments. And then also when Luca was downed into, you know, the success of the team, right, trying to play defense, trying to do the different things on the defensive end. That's when they won. Yep.

Those are the games that. they want and you get to the finals and you look and you say hey man my superstar is being put on an island by this entire roster we are vulnerable if he does not defend right is if he does not take up on this leadership uh responsibility in the finals we don't have a chance and i think nico saw that And when you see somebody like AD, you're looking at, if I had AD in that game with the squad we had with the way we play, we got a better chance of winning that series on the defensive end with somebody like AD. And then stacking the deck, now you're the biggest team in the West. You got the most size, you athletic in the front court. you know, it unlocks Kyrie to go be Kyrie again, right?

You got Clay over there that can be a great compliment to Kyrie. So I think the 80, the 80 for Dallas is their upgrade now. Yes. We need to go now. Everything, we put in all our chips on the table, we need to go now. This 25-year-old kid, right? we don't know if this is if we built this team for him this team is not necessarily constructed and built for Luca right and for the future Luca so you would have had to continue to make

iterations and keep moving pieces to figure out okay is this the right fit because you got not that you got lucky last year you earned and deserve everything but there was some teams that were tired, teams that were hurt, right? And this year is way different. You see the fatigue, right? You see coming back from the Olympics, you've got to know something. It's too much wear and tear. Where is he going to be at 30 versus AD at 35?

Like who's going to have, you know, over the next three or four years, who's going to have that window of longevity? and we're going to see where these dudes kind of measure out. Yep, that's a fact. And I think when you even look at Nico's press conference and stuff, the one thing I respect the most is he's standing on it. He gave his reason why. He's standing on it.

And he said, listen, what I thought was a very, very bold statement. And like I said, I respect it. He said, listen, we will see if I was right or wrong. Pretty much saying, I know that this move is. either going to get me, make me a long, tenure gym, or it's going to get me fire, and we'll see if I'm right or wrong. And I respect that. I will say, listen, anybody that make a move like that,

and they stand on it. That, who, hey, dude, Jason Kidd was not, he was in the meeting like, uh-uh, I ain't going. Hey, dude, Jason Kidd. I'd never seen Jason Kidd like that. Jake, he was like. Jake, he looked like he has just saw ghosts. He looked like, man, I got to be here.

I got to be here. I ain't got nothing to say. He was in shock. That is the face of a coach's shock. What do you think somebody, what do you think is going on on in Jake Kidd, mine? just based off that press conference, you know, what is he thinking? What is he contemplated?

What he's thinking is he has to change his entire offense. That a guy you could just get a ball to and let him go figure it out. He's gone. Yeah. I think he's trying to sit there. He's sitting there trying to process what it is. Like, that's in front of him what it is that just happened. Like, I think Jay Kid, I think, I think, I think,

Jay Kid was all over the place sitting there because again also like Nico said it like Jay Kid didn't know right so like even being in the dark like you start thinking about I think Jay kid's sitting there thinking about all of that

it was like you just see the look on his face was crazy why didn't you tell me just tell me homie don't let me sit like this I respect it though because they are right like Like, you see Shams, get stories, and, like, a lot of people that be leaking stuff these days, like, it's not like you just got four coaches anymore.

Like, I think our coaching staff may be 20 guys. That's crazy. And so all of a sudden, you tell your coach, and he tell his guy on the coaching staff, he'll go tell his young guy on the coach of stuff. Right. And all of a sudden, they get back to Shams, and then it don't go through. Now if you're Dallas and you're secretly trying to trade Luke and it don't go through. Now you got a real issue, you know. And so I think I understood it, right?

Like everybody's like, oh, man, like, how could you not say this to Jake here? How could you not? But like, in a situation like that where you can't tell nobody. You can't tell anybody. And we live in this world where people tell everything, people show you their location. exactly where they're at when they're there, right? We live in this world where everything is leaked to the media, so the one time that's something don't get leaked,

people trying to say, that's crazy. No, that's how actually things probably should be. Like, you know, like, if you're doing something to better your team, and you're trying to make a strength, it's probably best that you don't say that to anyone. And so I think in looking at that, I think I would hope that one of the main takeaways for people is keep your mouth shut.

Like, that deal got, Luca Donchish got traded and it was quiet, which means everybody else can shut the hell up. Like, stop sharing every little secrets you have to, like, try to get a leg up or gain a friend. Like, I don't understand it. So I respect the way they did it. Did they get the most value that they could get for Luca?

People were like, oh, they could have got three picks or they could have got four. They got Anthony Davis. Bango. And a first round pick that, you know, we'll see how it goes. nonetheless, like if they wanted to flip Anthony Davis right now, they could flip Anthony Davis for four first round picks. Yeah, for sure.

Right? So it's not like they can't get the first round picks if they wanted the picks, but they're trying to win now. And they got a guy who helps them win now, not to mention they just put him next to a center, which he loves. He loves playing next to a center. And they just put him next to a big-ass center in Daniel Gaffert

and a big-ass center and Derek lively. Right? So that kills those problems for AD. Yep. Listen, man, I think in a situation like that where you traded Luca, I'm not sure there's many guys that they could have got back.

That you go from wherever they were in the West to like people saying, oh, that's the best team in the West. Like, they traded Luca Donchage, and people are saying it's the best team in the West. best team. But then on the flip side,

you got people like, oh, that's still a dumbest track. Well, how are they the best team in the West, but it's the dumbest trade ever? Like, I don't quite understand that. Nonetheless, I feel for Luca because

you've poured into that community. You have taking that city on, made it home, and like out of nowhere blindly get traded. I do feel bad for him. That's the shitty side of the NBA. If Luca came out

It was like, yo, I want to be traded There would be this huge uproar Like, oh, yeah, they were here You know what I'm saying? Another star player I want to leave the team And like, we need to stop this.

Yeah. But this man gets traded in the dark In the middle of the night. He literally got traded after midnight. That's crazy. Each time after midnight, right? In the middle of the night,

Luca Donchish got traded in the dark. Luca Donchin got traded. It's crazy. Like I saw, I feel for Luca. You know, I think Luca, if I'm not mistaken, I think he just had a kid. you know, and so, like, just bought a house to us.

I heard he just bought a new career. Like, and that makes sense because his home had just got broken into. So I'm sure he was probably moving somewhere with more security or whatever. But, man, I do feel bad for him, you know, and Luca is not a guy that's going to come out to say something. He's not. I saw his dad say something. But Luca, not a guy that's going to come out and say something. So I do feel a little bad.

I feel bad for Luca for sure. Okay. I don't feel bad for Luke. Luca, why are you going to the Lakers, baby? Oh, that's, that's, oh, you're coming to the land. Come on, you're an international superstar, a megastar. Now is rock and roll time. A lot of them games that we was hearing about or didn't see, oh, we get to see that.

And you know how Laker fans are. They're going to take it up times 10. Now with Luca, you got, you have time. The Lakers have bought themselves a great opportunity to build now, to compete now, and start to mobilize how they want to be in the future. Yeah. I'm around a superstar. At 25.

So I think at 25 years old, okay, who do you think won the trade? In the interim, in the interim right now today, Anthony Davis out of Dallas. Because, and the reason I say that, that's a made team. You got Luca, if you're a Lakers now, but now you don't have a big. You know, you don't have a starting caliber center. And so I think for them now, they have to figure out how to make, now how to build the team, right? Like, you got Bron, you got Bron, you got Luca, you got Austin Reeves, you know.

But now you got to, like, figure out how to build the team out. So now they'll need to, at some point, get a big, right? And so I think as of right now currently as it stands today, you lace them up, you go out there and play tomorrow, it's Dallas. But I don't think this was a move that the Lakers was making to say we're betting right now for today. I think what the Lakers thought was, this team ain't great. We're not winning the championship. We got a chance to give Luca Dantzich. This gives us a chance to possibly sign a couple guys and compete right now with Luca and LeBron.

but also gives us a chance to compete to where with Luca now, that 2027 draft pick ain't going to be as high as people thought it was. 29 probably won't be high as people thought it was, even adding Luca to this roster. So I think, you know, currently as it stands, the maths, but this is a right now and long-term play for the Lakers. And so I think as they build the team out, then that could change.

But they're going to need to build a team out now. And also, before we say something else, shout out to my young fellow, Max Christie. That's right. You know, his cell phone's to the starting lineup. I think now for Max, Max is going to a team that's more loaded in that position now. You know, so he got to go figure his way out.

Nonetheless, he's a Spartan dog. He going to do things out there that a lot of those other guys ain't going to do because they ain't been coached by, time is off. So I believe he'll figure it out either way. Yeah, I believe that was kind of like the the caveat in the deal. Watching Max Christie, his evolution, you know, JJ playing him. I saw why they drafted him. I saw his potential. And now moving that piece over to Dallas complimenting Clay Thompson, right, being over there complimented Clay Thompson. And because Max going to play some defense.

Max can score. He can cut to the basket, he athletic, right? So Dallas is now getting not only 80, but they're getting a young dog. Yes. Right? They got another young dog that can fit into that ecosystem and what they build in. 100%. And here's the thing, like when you look at the NBA and a lot of things I think fans don't understand is like contracts.

Your contract matters. And so, for instance, Max just signed a four-year $32 million deal. He's going to get an opportunity. And he'll probably get the opportunity over Quentin Grimes because he has a meaningful contract. And that's where I don't think, like I said, I don't think people understand how much that matters. When you're like, oh, that guy should have signed for less. Like, yeah, you sign for less. You're also sending yourself up to get screwed because you sign for less,

your value is no longer as high as it was. So if you're not in a certain position and you sign for less, you can screw yourself. So here's why I think like Max signing that deal actually gives him more security than just financial security. It gives him more security to get an opportunity or two or three because he got the contract. And so I think with an opportunity, he figures it out.

Spartan dog. That's what we do. I agree. I also wanted to dial in the Utah Jazz, right? They didn't even know that Luca was being traded. Can you explain how is that possible for them to be involved in the trade and then not know somebody being traded? The Utah Jazz, right? They didn't even know that Luca was being traded. Can you explain how is that possible for them to be involved in the trade and then, you know, not know somebody being traded. At that point, do you just wake up and be like, man, the Lakers and the Dallas, who can we call to get some picks? Call Utah. Come on, call Utah.

You want some draft picks? Yeah. You got to take it. Take a good speed. Listen, here's what I will say about that BD. Paulinka. It's crazy. It is a little on the lines of morally fucked up of what he did.

But I understand why he did it. But it's a little along the lines of, you know, how someone do something and you're like, well, they didn't break a law. So they can't go to jail. But morally, that's fucked up. And I think Rob Polinka is. Right there teeter in that line of like, you didn't quite do anything wrong. But morally, I don't think Danny ain't going to ever work with him again.

Because, like, who knows if Danny did the deal or not? But you didn't give me the choice. And I think that's going to just put a strain on their working relationship. Because how many times, you tell me this, BD, how many times have. have you seen the wool get pulled over Danny Age's head? Danny Age do the pool. Yeah, he had very seldom. Very seldom in his tenure.

Rob Polika and Nico Harrison pulled the wool over his head. And then it's the Lakers too. So you know, Danny Ains and the Lakers don't get along. Danny Hage ain't trying to help no Lakers. He's a Boston Celtics. He's a Boston Celtic. not trying to help those guys. Deep down inside at all.

Oh, man. So for those people out there, I'm not a general manager, but how I would imagine that happened is, if you call and you're just like, yo, we're trying to get off Hill Schifino, young guy will give up two second round picks. And Danny Ains is just going to take him

because he's taking all those drive picks right now, then it don't matter. Wait, time out. Are you saying, hold on. I think I know what you're saying. Did Rob Palinka called Danny Age and make the trade and

didn't tell him nothing about this 1,000%? 1,000%. Oh. Oh, that is, ooh. Hey, dude. But here's the thing, though, Biddy. Here's how he can get away with it, though.

I'm going to tell you how he can get away with it. Because in that deal, only thing that went to Utah was Hush Fino and two second round picks from the Lakers. And some picks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, it wasn't like it was Dallas pick or, you know, Dallas had to give up nothing. No, the picks came from the Lakers,

so you didn't have to let him know that there was a third team involved because everything that Utah received came from the Lakers. But, man. That's a little. Oh, man, he got fleece. Hey, Doc. Oh, that is, that is boarding line. Oh, that is, ooh, we.

Like I said, BD. That's what you got to, that's when you got to come knock on. Danny Hage may have to see Rob, be like, hey, bro, I got to come knock on your door, homie. You can't. You owe me one. That's one of them you owe me one. Like, you owe me one for sure. This is looking conscious, man.

This ain't like they made a trade work for, can you imagine? They ain't make a trade work for, like, you know, they had traded for Ruiz last year. It ain't like they made the trade work for Ruy. This is Luca Dunchish, man. Like, they do. They went over there fleece. And you say nothing. He fleased Danny A.

Wow. He fleets Danny A. For sure, for sure. Whoa. You don't see that happen to Danny often. You don't see that happen to sell. Pressy often. Right.

Like, wow. A job. Imagine waking up. Yeah. It was incredible. Good job, Rob Polinka. He got that off. Hey, he really got that off.

Hey, Danny Age, I got these two picks and Hood, Hivino. Hey, what you thinking? Oh, man, what? Man, let me just get, let me, let me give you those. He's like, thank you. Thank you. Got two more picks. Woo, let me call, let me call, let me call, Nico is done.

Nico is done. It's done. I got Utah involved. Oh, man. 30 minutes later. Roplinca. It comes across Danny A's ticket. Luca Donch has traded to the Los Angeles.

Hey, you know Danny Age is hot. What? He is, look at it. He even said it. He basically said he had no idea that he was helping the Lakers. That's crazy. Yeah, Luca Dundas. He had no idea.

And then he said, by the time he found out, it was too late. That is crazy. Crazy. You can never do another deal with the Utah Jazz if you're the Lakers unless you go give them something. You got to go get that man something back later in a couple of years to be like, hey, man, no hard feelings. And you have to.

Absolutely. It's crazy. The Warriors begin a six-game road trip on Wednesday. I want to do something a little different. I want to talk storylines for each team instead of, you know, usually how we talk matchup. Yeah. That's cool.

Yes, sir. Let's do it. Let's start with Utah. First, the Utah Jazz. This team is looking to keep drafting picks, right? They want the number one pick. Cooper flag, everybody is saying, how important is it for a franchise to get the number one pick coming in this draft?

And what does that do for Utah with what they're doing? It's very important for Utah to get the number one pick in this draft. Not to be racist, but Utah is very white. It's like a very white place. And so Cooper Flag, like, I'm sure they're looking at it's like their next great hope, you know, and that he'd fit in there. You know, it's from Maine, you know, and so I think that's kind of a match made in heaven. And I'm sure they're doing all that they can to try to get it to make that match happen. I think for us,

you know, they have some good NBA players on that team. And for us, we just got to make sure that we stay locked in. But, you know, because you can easily go lose that game.

We don't have any space to do that. But this is Danny Ains. Like, Danny Ains rebuilt the Boston Celties that we know, as we know today, off of this same exact strategy. And he's proven that he can do it.

I think he'll do it. it again, but it's very important for them to get the number one draft because they can't pay anybody to come to Utah. Right. So you got to get the number one pick because they can't pay a number one pick talent to come to Utah. No. Can't pay them enough.

They're not getting one of them superstars that land at Utah. Zero percent chance. They could get Jimmy Butler, though. He could wind up in Utah as a last resort. He don't want to go. He's going to say Bernie. and Pat off is like Jimmy not signing an extension with Utah. He gonna really have that emo hair,

them emo bags in Utah. Here's a bold take. If this does not work, trade Luca, Luca play. You make the playoffs, who knows. Next year, if this shit don't work with Brian, what happens? Does LeBron leave or do the Lakers say,

hey, this is the final piece to move to figure out this roster for Luke. I think if anything's going to happen with Brian, as far as leaving the Laker, I think it happens this summer. I don't think it's a next year thing because I also don't think, I don't think you're going to, he don't have time, but I also don't think you're going to see a LeBron James trade mid-season. We were shocked by this one, but I just can't foresee that. Like we made a go at it last year, and the one reason it didn't happen,

It's because you just weren't going to get a LeBron James moving. Me and see them. You know, and so I think if anything happens, it happens this coming summer. I don't think it's, wait till next deadline and see it ain't working. I don't foresee that. I don't foresee it. But what is the, okay, so what is the domino effect, right, of this trade to the NBA? Nobody's safe.

Nobody's safe, huh. And if you're a general manager, you calling on Janus. You calling on Steph Curry. You call it on LaBonne Jane. You calling on God. You call it on God. You might as well. You don't even think you have a chance.

I get now, if you're a GM, I think the way that this plays out moving forward is you're going to have, you're going to now start seeing more young promising talent get traded. because you're going to just get more calls. And as opposed to before, like, nobody's calling, like, yo, y'all trying to trade stuff or, yo, y'all trying to trade women? Nobody's calling the center. You're going to get those calls now all the time if people just throwing shit out of the wall and seeing if it's thick.

Man. That's kind of the way, that's the, I think, one of the biggest impacts on the NBA. And then let's face it, you got Luca Donchich and Laker Purple and Gold. That's crazy. That's mass. Like,

it's the Lakers, it's the Lakers brand and now with Luca Dantzich in it? You're talking about globally? Like, it's a real thing. And L.A. Yeah. Los Angeles.

There's a real community here, you know, and it's a real diverse community for him. Mm-hmm. That Europe, it's a European vibe here for him. It's a more welcoming vibe for him. So, man, damn. Yeah, I think it, I think it changed it for sure.

It's a good, yeah, it's a, it's a huge domino effect. I also wanted to pinpoint, um, Dallas was smart because they got off that supermax. Yeah. Because that supermax is going to kill a lot of, teams. Like you were saying, you're going to see a lot of young dudes get traded because now it's like they're coming up on that supermax and it's like, yo, in five years, is this dude going to be worth a hundred million dollars a year?

Yeah. You know what this goes back to, BD? On the Draymond Green show before I was blessed to have you come on and partner on this show and bring a whole different life and take to this show when I just used to be sitting here by myself talking to a Draymond Dammis Draymond Dommis Absolutely I spoke about

and I went on a tweet storm about how fucking dumb stupid the CBA that we were going to sign as players when it first leaked that we were going to agree to a deal and they leaked the terms

I went on this whole tweet storm and I spoke on the pod about how dumb that CBA was. And you know, you see Luca Donchard's getting traded, don't for not for one second think that that's also not a byproduct of that dumb-ass CBA we signed. You put in a hard cap.

The second apron is a hard cap. And every time somebody get up that second April, you can bet your bottom dollar, they're going to be trying to trade out of that second April. And so you just saw Luca Donchich get traded, at 25. That's crazy. That is a byproduct

of the second April. Of Dallas, like, man, we're going to have to pay him $85 million a year. All right. He good. He's great. But,

ain't no money for nobody else. Like, we're about to go into the second April? No, we ain't trying to go into the second April. Right? And so, Luca Donchitz is getting traded

in what I haven't seen anyone talk about is one million percent a byproduct of the cap situation in the second apron. It is 1,000 percent. And I don't think people notice or realize that, but you're going to see more and more trades like that because that second apron, man, it's just a nice way of saying a hard cap. Yeah, it's just a crazy threshold.

It puts the team in a bad predicament. Obviously, it's incredible for the player. but if you're trying to build and you're trying to win and your top two dues is taking all of bread, you're not, and you're paying them off potential. Yes. You know, you're paying them off of, hey, over these next five, we're paying you off a potential.

I just think that, you know, that hard cap and like you saying, that second apron, a lot of people are going to start falling in that second apron. and it's going to give the team it's just going to be so much player movement because people are going to try to avoid that and you're going to lose loyalty from your young superstars.

All right, next is the Los Angeles Lakers. Obviously, the new Lakers being here in L.A., Luca won't be playing. Most likely, he won't return until February A. Talk about the Lakers as a threat. talk about the Lakers right now without Luka, you know, they won, I think, four, they went four and one without AD.

How dangerous are the Lakers, you know, from now and then the next five to ten years. I mean, now you have LeBron James and Luca Dungeons, you're dangerous. Can you figure it out? Can you figure everything out around the defensive side of the ball losing a rim protector like AD, all of those things? You have to figure those things out.

But they got LeBron James and Luca Donchers. They always. have a chance to win the game. For the next five of ten years, I think, you know, they're in a great spot as far as getting a Luca. And opposite, complete opposite of what the problem that Utah has is the Lakers can get people to sign there. You know, you can get people to come sign in L.A.

And so they have the opposite issue of the Utah Jazz when it comes to that. But in saying that, the next five of ten years looks great. But it all depends on Luca's health. You know, Luca's health will be the driver of what the Lakers look like of the next five to ten years. Yeah, we need Luca to have one of them Venice Beach bodies. He got to go out there and get on Venice Beach.

We need Luca with his muscle beach body. Brian posted a picture of the new Big Three in L.A. Luca Brown and reads. What is your first impression on the new Lakers with Luca? It's cracking out here. Because you got two LeBron's. Yeah. Luca, Rebell,

he passed the ball, right? Obviously, you know, the game, the game, it was a blowout. But just to know

that Luca got all the little Luca magic thing and it's cracking. Like he was missing some of them shots, some of them air was, you know, missing some passes.

Oh, man, what's this dude lock in? You think about, same thing with Stefan Jimmy. LeBron goes out the game. Now you've got to worry about Luca. And Luca pace is much slower than LeBron's. And so when you match their pace together, and then you include Austin Reeves,

who've been playing stellar at the point guard position, right? He's just, he's been doing whatever he won't. Score, get to the hole, shoot the three. And now he's starting to really find Reeves and make the right plays, the right assist. JJ Reddy got him rolling. They got some potency. You know, they got a three-headed monster in L.A.

And they all are creative. And so you powered up in the back court, you powered up in like your back court and front court. It's really about the other guys that's on the floor for the Lakers who are going to do the hustling, the scrapping, you know, getting defecor. reflections, getting offensive rebound, putbacks, but you ain't got to worry about too much.

The way I'm looking at how this Laker thing going to shake out, because with Luca, you ain't got to ask for too much for too many people. Give me five. Give me seven. I need, I need Hachimura. I need 11 from you. Like, you ain't asking for much.

And you're going to be wide open. That's true. What more was, you know, what more could you say about Luther? And they gave him a name out here in L.A. They call him Luca. Luca. The crimson already locked here. And that's all that.

All right, Luca. Over the weekend, involving Los Angeles Lakers, who they were trying to fill 80s glaring hole that he left behind with Mark Williams, the physical. And they said not because of his back. that sideline him from the most of last season, but because of multiple other issues of concern, sources said. Hornets are protesting the trade being rescinded.

They are, the hornets are protesting the trade being rescinded. Right. What is your reaction to this whole debacle? This is like Watergate. It's like, old school Watergate. This is like when they was messing up the voting polls. Something is not right. this is tricky.

Okay, I just dealt you a player knowing damn well he don't pass the physical but he just played two games ago. Absolutely. So that's tricky. Meaning, hey, Charlotte,

you may be prone to some type of investigation on your damn own, right? Depending on what Mark Williams said. Now, the Lakers how do you not pass a physical in the middle of the season

when you're already playing? What are the Lakers qualifications? And so the Lakers may have had cold feet and knowing that he didn't pass like it could be anything. It could be anything, bro. It could be anything. It could be a sprained finger.

It could be an oxygen slaughter. Remember that? Moving. Oh, he got Ozzy and Slaughter. Nope, he don't pass the physical. So who knows what type of injury or back injury or whatever it is. But, you know, we all play. I play with herniated dis my whole career.

And, you know, it is a problem. So it's going to be tricky to see how this all unfold. but it's definitely an unsolved mystery. And the call part about it is the players got to go back to the teams that this trade. And now you're going to ask them to perform for you for the rest of the year. So what are you going to do? Especially if you don't connect. Like if you don't connect, how do you feel?

If you don't connect, you have to do your best job to be the best professional that you can. if you don't connect lawyer you have excuse me if you're done connects Asian you have to have your client's best interest at heart

come this sudden I don't know how he walks back into that locker room as a shooter and be like oh yeah now you're going to put me in this game and I'm about to go shoot that thing like

I mean hopefully he can pretty job because this can like going through something like this can really like derailed his kid's career yeah it could do that because it could do that because it could kill his confidence.

Like, and when you move his confidence in this, you don't get it bad. And so this could really der-this could really derail Dawton's career. It's tough. Mark Williams is one thing, but Don Connecticut, he was hoping. Like, they just like, go ahead, bro.

Like, yeah. And apparently he was going to be in the AD trade. So they kind of was just off him anyway from what it sounds like. So his, and they're not. You got to go back there? That's tough. He got to go back. He got to go back and kill.

That's tough. He got to go back and kill. He got to try to keep. Well, he's going to be open. He's going to be open. He's definitely going to be. He's going to be wide open. That's for Luke out there.

So, you know, make a name for yourself, take advantage of the opportunity. If you're going to hoop, hoop. But like Dre say, he's got to make sure. Now that you know that you are the, you are a disposable piece to the, the Lakers, and you should be, you got to look out for your own best essentials. Let's go around the league a little bit. We're going to move around the association a bit.

Russ is playing great in Denver, man. He's 15 and 5 as a starter. Two of those losses came versus elite teams without Joker. What do you think about Russ's? Yeah, Bruin resurgence this year. And really just what the opportunity has been given because the reality is, He's always played this great when he's had that, been in that position with that opportunity.

But what did you think about just the way he's bouncing back this year? One, resiliency. When you think of Russ, you just think of resiliency. He will figure it out. Once he figures it out, once he's able to play Russell Westbrook basketball within the confines of the team, he's always positive.

It's always a positive outcome. And so having somebody like Joker is the perfect match for him, right? Because he loves dishing and rewarding the big guy. And he's never had a center that plays point guard that allows him to do what he's great at. Backdoor cuts. Get on the offensive glass, right? All those little things from a point guard perspective put so much pressure on. the defense.

Right? Because like imagine you playing Joker out on the five. Shock, he shoot a three. He can just shoot a three just to shoot one. It's Russ down there. Right. He is a bona fide rebounder, right? And he's a force in the inside.

So when you look at backdoor layups, passing cutting, coming off of picking road, getting in the middle of the lane, even if Russ is missing, you got Joker there tipping it in. So, you know, and playing above, plant a butt of glass. So I think that for Russ, perfect fit.

Right? For Denver, they found their elevated version of Bruce Brown. Yeah. Right. And that's what they miss. I said that.

I said that's what they missed last year. They don't have that dog that can just go and, you know, make some shit happen. You know, outside a Joker, outside of

Jamal Murray. They don't have, they don't have that idle person and playmaker. Now you got that with Russ and he connected with Joker. Man, they're going to be serious in the playoffs.

I know that. Yeah. Yeah, no, they are for sure. I don't think anybody going to want to see them during the playoffs with the way, Russ playing.

The difference in the coach, right? Mike Brown, excellent guy. great coach, but in time, usually in times like these, you see teams respond. Yes. Right? To new coaches, just talk about being in the league and seeing that, you know, also not having that, right?

Having that stability, what that means as well. Yeah, now, for sure. It's crazy because I always tell people, like, I am, I've been very fortunate in my career to be here for 13 years because I am a, like, I am not one that's keen to change. Like, I do not like change. I don't, like, keep my stuff the same. And so to not have to go through that throughout the course of my career where guys, you got some guys that got to coach you every other year or two, I feel like I would struggle with that a lot.

You know, even if it's team-to-te-team every other year, like, I struggle with that because I just don't adjust to change well. And so to have, like, this is the thing that you do the most. This is the thing in your life that you end up having to spend so much energy and focus on that to have to make that adjustment every year drive me crazy. And so I'm very fortunate that I haven't had to deal with that. But when you look around the league, the teams that have the consistency are usually the teams that do best. and the bad organizations that switching coaches every year, every other year,

it usually don't work, you know, and the proof of putting it's right there in your face. And so, you know, if you even look at teams around the NFL that has success, Stillers, coach, same for many years, Andy Reid and Kansas City, been there for many years, Bill Belichick's with the Patriots for many years. You know, when you look at the coaches that have done well, They've been there for many years. And so as players, we need that consistency.

Like, you don't want to be adjusted to a different playbook, a different set of coaches, a different philosophy every other year or two. And so I think, you know, for the guys in sack, it's kind of like the happy medium, whereas you got a different coach, but Doug has been there. And if I'm not mistaken,

Doug was there even before Mike Brown got there on the coach staff that was there prior to Mike Brown getting there, if I'm not mistaken. I do believe that. You know, that is still a level of consistency for them. It's a consistent voice that those guys have heard for years. And it's not like it's just some huge change, foreign change, a voice that they haven't been hearing for many years.

And so it makes a huge difference, man, having that consistency. And like I said, I speak about that from experience. I haven't had to deal with much change. I've changed coaches one time in my 13 years. Yeah, that makes sense. And then talk about like those minor adjustments because in that change, it was a couple adjustments. And now, you know, people give credit to Mark Jackson

about the foundation he laid. But when the coaching changeover happened, that's when the Warriors took off and, you know, talk about minor tweaks. Right. How that, how you can fix that Rubik's Q and get all the colors working and the patterns, right? You have something special. And I think, you know, I want you to talk about that as far as coaching because, you know, being with current, winning championships, you know, your loyalty, right?

And just having that brain trust with that do as well. For sure. So even if you look at like some of the minor changes that have happened. And we've been speaking about the king. So in their space, like I said, starting Malik Munk, getting Keon Ellis more minutes, putting more trust in here, giving him more confidence,

more consistent minutes that he's getting, right? Like, that's one of the big changes for them. Moving Monk into the start lineup, that's one of the big changes for them. For us, when we switched coaches, we were, you know, we went to the playoff two years in a row, and some of the tweaks that Steve brought in, like Mark Jackson did do a great job of landing the foundation.

But just when Steve came in, the offensive changes that he made was everything for us. Like our defense was really, really great, and they had got that to an incredible place. But the offensive changes that Steve brought in the ball movement and player movement, and our offense was a lot more stagnant before Steve came. And so I think just him making those changes,

that changed everything because it unlocked a lot of stuff for us. It unlocked the floor for us. And so, you know, you have philosophical changes like that, you know, where Steve come in with some principles of the triangle, but not quite running the triangle, you know. And I think, you know, so that was kind of our changes. And then obviously when Steve came and I also became a starter, you know, and so that was a huge change.

And unlocked your potential. It unlocked my potential, and it also unlocked just different things about our offense. Like, I play different than D. Lee. You know what I'm saying? So it just unlocked some different things in our offense that really allowed us to take off. Recently, Scotty Pippen says he wins six rings without Michael Jordan. This is water. You know, that's when you tell your friends, man, take a shot.

What's wrong with Scotty, man? Somebody got to check on Scotty, man. I grew up watching them teams, man. I'm a big Scotty fan. Scotty, I don't know what Scottie going through, man, but I send my love because, no, I'm dead ass, man, because you start making comments like Scotty been making lately. And people start to remember you for those comments

and not necessarily for being Scotty Pipping. And I don't like that. You know what I'm saying? Like people try to downplay who you are and what you've done because of the comments you made lately. And I just don't want to see people doing that to Scotty because Scotty is for damn sure Scotty. And that's why I say, man, like,

I just want to make sure Scotty good, man, because saying stuff like that, like he said him and Michael Jordan, they never sat down for dinner. Like, to me it sounds like it's coming from a place of pain. You know what I'm saying? like MJ, he's feeling like MJ kind of never maybe showing him

to love that he ultimately think MJ should show. And he's like outwardly looking for that and saying things to like downplay it as opposed to just saying like, like, I feel like he kind of said it like man, me and Michael Jordan never had sat down and had dinner the one-on-one. Like I feel like

he's crying out and saying what he's really crying out for and about. And like, make that happen, man. Like somebody get MJ and Scotty together because if he feel like he needs that. It ain't going to happen. Hey, no, dad-ass, though, Bidi.

Check us out. Check this out. Hey, bro. It's ain't going to happen. Check us out. I don't think it's going to happen. I'm not saying I'm Scotty. I'm not saying I'm Scotty Pippen.

But what I am saying is, if somewhere down the line 20 years from now, I want to have dinner with Steph Curry, I will hope that I can have dinner with Steph Curry. You know what I'm saying? That's different. With all that you've been through with somebody, like you go through these journeys and winning championships,

them shit's not easy. And to go on those journeys and not even be able to sit down and have dinner, like I feel like that's Scotty's outcry. And so... But Michael Jordan don't need dinner. Michael Jordan do eat dinner, man. The black cat, man.

We never heard about Michael Jordan having dinner with nobody. And that's fine, but he also ain't... Like, is Michael. It's Scottie, man. It don't matter if he has to do with anybody else. It's Scotty, man. He need that.

I know. No, he do. Scotty need that, man. Scotty crying out for that. He is crying out for that. But, you know, shout out to Michael Jordan, right? Of course. Michael Jordan, don't give.

Hey, fly. He ain't tripping at all. Of course he not. You feel me? Hey, Michael Jordan is not. Stripping. Okay. Huh? Who? What? Dinner? Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? I wonder why he didn't go to dinner with Scotty. It's all making sense. Now, when you look at the whole picture, it's all making sense now, though. Man, I'm here to hoop. Michael Jordan was like, I am here to hoop. I do my job. I'm here to do my job. I'm not here to be friends with you. I'm not here to be friends with you. I'm not here to be friends with you. I don't. this court. Oh man, we family. I love y'all.

And to Michael Jordan's defense, every time he speaks in an interview, he always says Scotty. Yeah, he does. Michael Jordan will never say Michael Jordan, what I'll say is, Scottie Pippen. That's a fact. Right. Michael Jordan always say Scotty, bro. He always say, okay, I get it. He should. Michael Jordan, if you hear me, If you can hear me now, please, bro, go sit down with your dog. You know what I mean? Y'all chop it up. We need to see a Michael Jordan. Maybe we can do a Michael Jordan, Scotty Pippen interview, right?

Because. Right here on the Draymond Green, the Baron David show. Come on. Right here. Come on, Michael, Joy. Look, I got my ball head. Just like my. I know, hey, I know how Mike feel because when I cut my hair off.

No. I want to have dinner. So these are ball head thoughts. These are ball head thoughts. Mike. Black cat. Mike. Scottie Pippin is a legend.

He's a legend. Pip Niji. Pip Nidu, man. But we got to do a better, I say this. We got to do a better job of talking about how great Scotty Pippen. was. For sure, but he ain't going to get it doing this dumb shit. No, he got to chill. Let us do the talking, let us do to compare Scotty Pippin to different people.

That man said LeBron Jane, LeBron Jane chased his ring. I got my, like, bro, you're not going to say you better than this, Brian. Come on, Scotty, like, you, that's not the way to get people to say you better. That's crazy. This is what I do say. LeBron is more of a combination of me. Magic Johnson and Scotty Pippet than he is compared to Michael Jordan.

And that's fine, but he's a combination of Scotty and Magic, which means Scotty stop. Yeah. Scotty. I'm just saying, I'm better than him. Maybe he can say that to stop. That's how he implied. Scottie got six rings, man.

Yeah, no, for sure. Nobody taking that away. He can pop that. He can pop that. No, you can, but like some shit at a certain point, like for instance. All right. So pretty much what you're saying is this. You're pretty much saying I can walk around saying I'm better than Kauai.

Don't do that. No, I'm just saying. Don't do that. Don't do that. You see? Don't do that. Like, I got four words. Don't do that.

Exactly. Don't do that. Don't do that. That's not even. I'm better than Kauai. Now, take that. Come on, dude, that's not even close. I'm better than Kauai.

That's not even close. No, but that's what you're saying. That's, you and Kauai don't even play the same position. I agree, but like, it's not close for the Braian's got a bit of like, no. close. Stop it. Yes it is.

Yes it is. You know what? Yes it is. Yes it is. Are you tripping? I'm saying, Scotty Pippen is a three. LeBron is a moat of

Scotty Pippen meets magic. No, LeBron is a mole of LeBron. Right. He's a one-of-one. For sure. But when you look at LeBron's game, Magic Johnson, Scotty Pippen, right?

and all of the ism that make LeBron LeBron, right? Mm-hmm. And so Scotty Pippin is looking at it. Like, man, I'm a three, he a three, you know, and Scotty Pippen puts himself as he should in the upper echelon of threes. There's the thing, though. Bron they never really even been in three. He really like a point guard.

Okay. And he came in as a point guard. But even if you want to say bronze is three, great. Say your three, say you a three, say you a four. I really don't give a damn. Bronon and Scotty Pippen is not in the same category. They are not in the same category. That's just not the case.

I said Scotty Pippen, he as a three has won six championships. No, and that's great. So he's standing on his six championships. Can I respect it? I killed in the finals, defensive player of the year. All-stars, he's standing on all that. I think, you know, when he compare himself to. Brian, that's just having confidence in himself.

Bronn has had Scottie's career minus the rings twice. For sure. Like, minus the six ring. He's had Scotty's career twice. Scotty messed up. If not three times. This last one. He's had.

Scott, Scott, Scotty messed up with this last. Hey, come on, Scotty. You feel what I'm saying? I'm on Scott beside, by the way. I got nothing but love for Scottie, but. Come on, Scott. You're not winning those six rings without MJ. Come on, that's ridiculous.

If that's the case, then what MJ left, you would have kept winning the rings, Scotty. Like, you would have went back in the game. You know what I'm saying? Like, come on, Scotty. You want to win back in the game. Ridiculous. And then you tried to justify the BD.

I can't believe you just tried to justify that. It's crazy. I didn't try to justify nothing. I was speaking from his point of view. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm pissing you off today. Yeah, I'm missing him off.

Listen. Very accurate. Magic Scotty Pippet, right? That is when you look at LeBron's game, he embodies both of those players. I ain't wrong. Very, very not like MJ. No.

Him and MJ not saying, but. Not even close. Yeah. They're not the same player. Not even close. Yeah. No, totally different games. Yeah, totally different games.

Yeah, Kobe NJ. LeBron, Magic and Scotty Pippen has a hype. No, stop that. Magic, again, I'm a Scotty Pippin fan. Scotty Pippin does not belong in the category with Magic Johnson and LeBron James. I'm sorry. Scotty is the legend. I'm sorry.

I'm not putting. Scottie Pippin. I love that category, bro. Zero disrespect to Scotty Pippet. But he cannot go in the category with LeBron James and Magic Johnson. I'm not putting them in the category. Come on, no. He just like,

the greatness of Magic Johnson, the greatness of Scotty Pippen, mix that all together, you get LeBron James. I don't know. That's too simple. I'm not saying like those are both special players. But I'm saying like,

that ain't going to get it done. I mean, think. Think about it, bro. And then it's somebody, and then it's, and then it's LeBronism, right? It's his, is his approach and his swag.

But if you think about magic and you think about how Pippin play, right? Like, that is the cornerstone of the greatness of LeBron Jones. I'm just saying. I'm moving my mind. He's equally as great, right?

like Scotty Pippen's greatness, defense, all the things he did. Then you got magic with the, ooh, and just the magic. Then you add what LeBron got with the hops, the athleticism, the strength. That's like, bro, he's the perfect combination of them two and Carl Malone. I'll tell you what, so I had to just move my mind past them being in the same category. And what I had to allow my mind to do was combine the two players. and combining those two players is like, that's insane. That's insane.

That's Libraud James. That's what I'm saying. And so I can follow you a little bit. Then you had Carl Malone and they're like, that's saying a lot. All right. I rest. He built like Carl Malone. LeBron James is built like Carlebone.

I rest. He is the same size as Carl Malone. Which is crazy. That's crazy. That makes no sense, man. That's ridiculous. That's crazy. I had to go.

Guard him. I have to guard LeBron. Yeah. He like guarding Carl Malone and Magic Johnson all in the same one. For Brian to be the same size as Carl Malone, for those of y'all that's never seen Carl Malone in person, that man is massive. Man, that's a massive. Godly. And Brian, him and Brian actually is the same size, which makes notes. That's crazy, bro. I'm telling you.