The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Draymond Green Show w/Baron Davis - BEST OF JUNE: Durant to Rockets, Jordan Poole trade, Warriors future

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

A compilation of some of the best moments from The Draymond Green Show with Baron Davis' month of June, including their NBA offseason reactions the Phoenix Suns trading Kevin Durant to the Houston Rockets, Jordan Poole being traded from the Washington Wizards to the New Orleans Pelicans, and the Memphis Grizzlies trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic. Dray and Baron also give their insights into what it's like to be traded in the NBA and debate what the Golden State Warriors should do to continue building the roster around Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler. 02:00 - Warriors building around Steph & Jimmy 13:15 - Why NBA Players are LAST to know they’re traded 27:15 - Reaction to KD-to-Suns trade 34:00 - Jordan Poole trade reaction 42:00 - Celtics trade Jrue Holiday & Porzingis 53:00 - Desmond Bane to Magic trade (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The volume. What needs to happen this off season for the Warriors to be real contenders again? I think, you know, the heavy lifting's been done. Like, we added Jimmy. I think that was the biggest thing that needed to happen. Now we got that. Now you can tool around that. You know, our team was tooled around staff.

Now you know how Jimmy looks in the system. You know how Jimmy likes to play. You can also tool around that as well. So I think, you know, just locking in from that front, understanding what we got, where we can get better, and making those pushes. You know, but free agency is tough, man. You're trying to court people and make the best offer.

And you don't always know what it is, right? Like for some guys, it could be the highest dollar amount. For other guys, it could be totally different. So I think just going into it, it's just all about looking to see, like, all right, now we know how it looks. now we got that part figured out, now what does it look like around that? So I think we're in a much better position

handed to this one than we were last year. Yeah, y'all got some money to play around with. Yeah, I got some young talent that, you know, is not taking up a lot of the salary cap. You got to just comminga, you know, things, free agents in this class. So y'all got some work to do, but like you said,

shoring up the, you know, the ox. That's what I'm going to start calling. We're going to show up the unks. The ox is crazy. Also, y'all got to stop with this unks stuff in my hood. My hood, uncle's, uncle's a crackhead in my head. Y'all be causing people. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. y'all got chill. That'll never be okay with me. Like, um. The Ux, the Bay Area Ux.

You letting your hair grow back in? No, I'm about to cut it in. What's going on? You're all right? Check on you? He's like, that hurt. I'm just asking a question, champ. That's it.

I just want to just wander. Jemar Jemar, it was eye for eye. Hey, man, look, I'm just trying to see what I happen. See if my hair grow back. You know, I like them little curls. I like to have my hair nappy. Like the little naps. I like that.

You got to go to turkey. The turkey. Yeah, you got to go to turkey. for what was in turkey they're waiting for you you got to go to Turkey uh moving right along

all right if you can say one thing to Warriors fans right now unfiltered what would it be I don't really got nothing to say what up Domination Just about the season Like, well

I ain't got no gripes Oh, it's just about the season Like, you know, we're going to come back better Oh, well, I ain't Wiping no Duff's fans up They know what it is You know, they didn't You did say

I was going to win it all We I didn't know I ain't know what it could have should have got But you know what I'm saying It's all good We're going to leave it where it's sats It's all good.

I'm going to congratulate to Oklahoma City Thunder because I'm not one of them hating. You know, these guys out here be hating. I'm a leader that way it's at. And I'm going to congratulate them guys because they are champions. All right.

So where it's at? What has been your best moment or moments in the 2024-2020 season? Best moment of the 2020-24-25 season? Man. When you got that buck. When you got that buck?

What dog? When you went down the leg. I forget what team it was. I think he hit a three. Then he went down a lung and got a duck. He was going crazy. Oh, man. You barely got.

That's light word, man. We ain't moving off. play, you know what I'm saying? No regular season plays. Not being, you know. I'm watching the game. It's got to happen.

Play's got to happen in the playoffs for it to really matter. Right, right, right. When did you dunk on Carolina? In the playoffs. Everything. All right. That's the only reason that matters. Yeah.

Everything happened to the player. Yeah. It's only matter. You know, so we ain't tripping on that. I'm saying, that's light word. What about, what about the night night moment? When you hit your, That was fun.

That was fun. That was fun. That was fun. That was a good one. That was fun. I enjoyed the season, though. You know, like, I came out of this season feeling better than I did three years ago.

You know, so I think most importantly, that, you know, that just health, continuing to grow. I think overall, net positive. Now, just keep a rolling and win this championship next year, but overall net positive, man.

So I'm looking forward to this next one. Obviously, getting the team, right, getting the roster, right, knowing what we're looking right, like rolling into next year, but, you know, you know how I'm rolling in. Champions of us, baby.

You know how to be wrong. That's the pedigree. Y'all back. Yeah, back to pedigree. Absolutely. So that's how we roll. But I also want to send out some love to Tyrese. You had two teammates, Teter Achilles.

How hard can the team bounce back when one of your best players get hurt? I think it's tough, man. You know, we obviously has Clay go down. KD went down, but he left. the same year Steph went down like it's tough you're not winning

without your best player in this league like you can put together a decent season but it ain't happening but man I do send my love and well wish to the Tyrese though just on the speedy recovery

leaving it all out there on the floor you know these these cuffs these calf the Achilles injuries are tricky man I put on my threads as soon as it happened like man I look too familiar NBA finals elimination game got to cookin cooking cooking okay D got to cooking like it's just

look at he was good oh my gosh and so man I just wish you well in a speedy recovery that sucks man but I'll tell you what it does when you look at the the Indiana Pacer's about to go into the tax for the first time it'll be interesting to see if they change their tune because you're highly out for a whole year now. Yeah, more than likely. So, man, you just want injury from everything changing, man. Totally, totally, man.

I went down. I was, I damn there wanted to cry for my bro because, you know, to not get a chance to finish his heartbreaking. And he deserved it. He fought to a game seven. He fought with an injury. We talked about it on this show that playing with that calf muscle was going to be risky. Remember, we talked about if he can show up and give us a Willis Reed.

He did that game six, 23. That was a little bit more. But coming into game seven, it's like you forget that that the way you feel going into a game seven, you feel so much better. Yeah. But you're not so much better. You still the same. Right.

It's more damage of anything. Yeah. When I say still the same, I mean, you still dealing with the same thing. You still dealing with the same thing. And a lot of times, like, you're so hype and you feel good. Like, how many times? I can remember so many times, like, man, I feel good. And then jump and land and be like, now, how did this happen?

Right? You forget, you forget that, oh, you still injured. You're still nursing an injury. So it was tough to watch that because that young man deserved to be able to finish that game and walk off that court on his own. But he will be back. I know that's right.

He'll be back. Most definitely will. Most definitely. So shout out to Tyrese, man. And the Indiana Patriots. They had a great year, get to the NBA finals. Sucks when you get there and lose. but they had an incredible year.

So congratulations to those guys as well. KD was at Fanatics Fest, which we just spoke about, in the middle of an interview when he was traded to the Houston Rockets, and there are some conspiracy theories floating around. So I must ask you, before we get into the trade, what side of the conspiracy theory do you stand on? They said KD chose for that news to come out on Sunday because he wanted to overshadow the thunder.

I personally don't think Katie is that type of guy. But that's what people tried to say. No, I ain't rocking with that. Me, that's crazy. I can't rock with that. I can't rock with the conspiracy theories. A lot of times, you know, these trades, they happen, and they just happen.

Like the desperation of the team to get it done. And then information travel fast in our sport. Right. So Katie, the players, the last person to know that they're getting traded. Facts. Always. So him fighting out on stage and, you know, at the festival for fanatics, that could possibly be, you know, real.

I mean, maybe he knew. Maybe he had to just like, I mean, maybe he knew it was coming. but at the same time doing the interview, the fan reaction, right, and the call out from the fan, that's what I liked about the content. You know, seeing fans and seeing how media travels so fast,

you know, now the player is really the last person to know if you're not on social media or like a KD, you don't feel like I've seen your phone for two days. You're chilling. Then everybody find out, then you find, you know,

then you find, down like, damn, for real? Is it possible that we can create this situation for everyone? Like, you think about how many guys have the bad story, Harrison Barnes can trade a while on the bench, the Marcus Cousins getting traded, finding out he's traded in the middle of an interview after the All-Star game.

Do you think that this is a way, the NBA, like, should this be a requirement for the NBA, like for guys not to look stupid? So, you know, because those as happy as KD was, right? Like, to your point, for most guys, they could find that out sitting on that stage and they don't know. Right. I think, I mean, I'm kind of like yes and no,

because part of working for a team or part of being on team management is, you know, what if you just want to try somebody just because you think it's a good deal? Now, you got, I mean, if you're saying the first person, I think the first person that should be told is the actual player. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I agree with that. Because I think, you know, for most players, right, like, of course,

you're not going to be in the driver's seat like Kevin Durant was, but there should be some type of system, some type of fine system, like, yo, let's get out before these players and this player's camp is alerted. Like, that's an issue. You know what I'm saying? But I think there should. Yeah, go ahead. I think there should be ultimately some type of guideline to be upheld, you know, that.

Because it can be a great thing, right? But at the same time, like, just finding out wherever your feet stay. That's crazy. It's, it's hella gray, right? Because think about it. Like, the media is always going to find out before you that you got traded because they're the one doing all the digging. Right? So soon as the trade happened, one side or the other side,

I mean, obviously they should contact the player. But the player is still going to feel like he didn't know. Yeah. Right. I remember getting traded from the Clippers to Cleveland. And Benny Del Negro sat down and was like, oh, man, you know, we like what we like. We're going to sit you down.

You know, don't even worry about playing. Don't worry about playing. in New Orleans. I'm in the locker room. And the media lady came up to me. She's like, you know, you're getting traded, right? I was like, hell, no, for real. I was like, hell no, for real.

It was shocking. I was shocked. Right? I was shocked. So how did you react to that, though? Like, you know, I still, I still fire. I still fired. But by the time the game was over,

by the time I got to the bus they was like, well, the train ain't happening and ain't happening yet. I got to say, you know, I got family in New Orleans, say by to my family, get on the bus, and then now my teammates finding out. Right?

Uh-oh, it looks like, then we get on the plane and it happens, so I got to fly back home with the Clippers, with Vinny Del Negro, all the players on the team. So I decided that, you know, I've been quiet over here for two and a half years.

I ain't really said that. I ain't really said nothing to nobody. I mean, you know, keeping it low key. So I just went up to each person and just kind of told them how I felt about them. And how I'm going to continue to feel about them. Some of them was love. Some of it was just like, you know, critique. But it was more so like I went really tripped by the top.

I got off the plane, I wasn't really tripping anyway. Right? And I was like, it is what it is. But it was important for me to kind of like get that angst off my chest because I was, you know, you're dealing with some, when you're not winning, you're dealing with some busters. And at a certain point of the league, the league was shifting to like where it is now. So there was going to be a conflict between what's old and what's new. Did they work hard for it? Or they entitled? Like, we had to do our list. They're not doing nothing, you know?

And then, to your point, like the media knowing management, not really, you know, I got beef with management so it can happen at any time. They did approach me and asked me for a buyout, which I probably should have took, you know, considering the circuit. If I look back, it wasn't as bad a deal as I thought it would be to like get up out of the air. But yeah, I just let everybody know how I feel, sat down with everybody, sit down with the young dudes. Like DJ, I told them like, yeah, bro, like, you could, you can really do something, you know, like don't get caught up and all the shit that you saw me caught up in, you know, just hope. You know, it's going to be different for you.

You know what I'm saying? So. question after this happened and you could have taken the buyout but you didn't your next deal what was your next deal you signed after this contract that you were currently thinking about taking the buyout on what was the next deal you signed i think it was like this was like my uh i was already like two years into my last deal so my next deal was like a two year deal because i was hurt Between how much? Like, was it more than minimum? No, I don't need to. I think it was like around the minimum. Okay, because the question I had was,

I feel like when you do take buyouts in this league, where you say it may have been a great situation, but I feel like when you do take buyouts in this league, it's almost hard to get off the minimum from that point moving forward. Yeah, I think, well, I would have probably not been hurt went to Charlotte, right? Got a chance to get back with Jay Rich and Stack in the East Coast.

So I'm worried about the minimum. You know what I mean? Uh-huh. Because I was still, I was still one of the illest. Uh-huh. But it was just, I was playing for the clippers.

Okay. Right. And so it was hard. It was hard to wake up every day. And you got to deal with so much drama before you can actually play basketball. You got to do all this talking before you can shoot a basketball. You got to do all this scouting and all this shit.

And it's like, man, can we just like five on five one day and everybody shut the fuck up? Like that's how we get better. Right. But it was just, you know, it was just like, you know, it just wore on me. They just wore on me. So, but I was still good and I was still, you know, I can get. whatever numbers. At that point, I can get whatever numbers I want it, depending on how to flow of the game or what my perspective on the game. So leaving, I probably would have had a

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to the Houston Rockets for Jalen Green, Dylan Brooks, the number 10 pick in this year's NBA drive, and five second-round picks. So just taking that into account, obviously the deal is done now. You know, what's your take on these new-look rockets? Add Katie in, you know. Man, that was going to be...

That was going to be... That was going to be my question to you. You know, I've been saying that Katie is an upgrade. When you think about what the Rockets needed, they need efficient scoring. And what Katie brings in presence is offensive awareness, his defensive awareness, his overall, I'm aiming to win a championship. I think it's a fair trade, right? I wanted to know how you felt because I was analyzing y'all game and y'all series as the reason why this trade happened. Because when you look at a Jalen Green and you look at Dillon Brooks and you say, when they played well, did the Rockets win?

More than likely, you know, they were no more than likely. You know, they were no. Yeah, I'm saying, no, in that series against Golden State. Oh, right? In that series. Jalen Green had one great game, right? They won. Dylan Brooks.

Let's say he was as consistent. He was consistent, right? He didn't put like he had a consistent series. Jalen Green had an up and down series, right? Yeah. Now you start looking at who could they rely on? Netflix, Singone, and Thompson. Yep.

And so Thompson leapfrogs. I would say that I, here's what I was saying. I know no one gives them credit. But also I thought Javari Smith was really. That's what I would say. Yes, I thought so too. And I thought Javari Smith worked his way back from almost going the wrong way as the number two picked the like, hold on.

I don't, like, I can compete at this level. And I think he worked his way back. And we'll probably be in a star lineup. But if it's Rockets team moved before and I think well deserved. So, you know, when I look at it and, you know, you mentioned those two guys that, listen, anytime you can add a Kevin Durant, they said, I'm great, I don't care who you are as a team, any team in the world in basketball, if you add Kevin Durant, it's an upgrade. Now you start speaking online if you add Kevin Durant for Steph Curry.

Now those are different conversations, but if you're just, in this case, you know, or in most cases, you add Kevin Durant to the roster that it's going to be an upgrade. So make no mistake about it. You know, everybody's trying to make like these conversation pieces. It's Katie. If you add him to the roster, your roster is better. Now you talk about, now if you want to discuss the business of basketball,

then you have a different discussion when you start talking about salary and what happens with caps and all. That's a totally different question. That's not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is you add Katie to that team, is that team better? And where they struggled was, you know, Jalen had a very tough playoff series.

You'd like to think if he had a better playoff series, they win. Who knows? But you'd like to at least think that. Dylan Brooks was, like you said, he was consistent all year. He played well. He shot the ball really well this year. Dylan Brooks is who he is. on a contract like Dylan Brooks on,

you will always kind of be to throw in a piece of number. And that's just kind of the nature of the business. I don't think Dylan Brooks was traded because Dylan Brooks did anything wrong. In this situation, I think Dylan Brooks was traded because, quite honestly, that's how this business works, and your contract make the money work.

They won't Kevin Durant, your contract make the money work. And, you know, when you look at the way this team has been built, of course they're going to trade, throw Dylan Brooks in to make that money work before they throw Jabari Smith in or before they throw Atari. Like these young guys that were drafted by this general manager. Now, Jalen Green was as well, he ain't going to just get rid of all the people he drafted. You know, he got rid of one. And so I think when I look at this, it's an upgrade.

Katie has his familiarity with A. Mae Doca as a coach. I think KD still wants to compete at a high level. And I think this team, like when you look at the rosters of everywhere we heard KD may go, this team did the least gutting of a roster that a team may have had to do to make an upgrade. To still make an upgrade and still keep the roster in a good spot. So that's what I think happens for the Rockets. That's the way I think it looks for them, for KD.

talk about Phoenix on the other hand I think it's a little different situation but for the Rockets I think it's good also shout out to Freddie V got a new two yeah shout out to Fred deal to stay with the Rockets well designed

the way I saw him lead that team in the playoffs like and they're going to need his leadership they're going to need his leadership with that team I think with Fred's demeanor and how Fred go about things

and with KD and how KD go about things I think it'll be a good match. Yeah, you get more. Exactly. Some of the stuff that Kay don't want to do and people try to make it like an indictment on K's character, no.

There's just some stuff that we're all human beings and there's some, we all have strengths, we all have weaknesses. And certain things that KD don't like to do, Fred will do that. And guess what? On a basketball team and team sports, that's actually how we're supposed to

work. And so, you know, I think this puts them in a really good position. I think they're obviously going to be a team to be wrecking with. You expect them going to make a big jump after the playoffs he had. You know, expect Tyrese and all those guys that made jumps. So it'll be interested. I think, you know, I think that team is in a really good position and I definitely think it's an upgrade. Shout out to our boy, Franflin, Fleck again. I mean, I just, I totally agree. The New Orleans kids a trade is C.J. McCollum, Kelly O'Linnick, and a future second round pick to the Washington Wizards for Jordan Poole, Sadiq Bay,

and the number 40 overall pick in the second round of the NBA draft. What does this trade mean for both teams? J. Ma'an, what does it mean for the Pelicans? What this means for the Pelicans is that Jody's coming in. he's making some changes he wanted to see you know, acquire some young talent in Jordan Poole

to see if he can still make it work with next to the Zion, you know, Trey, Herb Jones, you know, see if you can put it together with these young guys. I think, so when I look at this pelicans, this move, you got Dejante,

it will be coming off in the Achilles injury. When I look at this pelican move, I like it. I think when you add a talent like Jordan Poole, no, CJ is kind of who CJ is. You know, Jordan, Georgia still has room for growth. I don't think we've seen the best of his growth yet. And I think getting in an organization like New Orleans under Joe Dumar's leadership,

you know, with Willie Green. That's coach I think it would be a really good situation for him. I think Washington, the first year he spent the job. Justin. Last year, he had a really good year numbers-wise, but when you're on that

team, it don't matter. And so I think, you know, when I look at, when I look at this for the Pelicans, I look at this as a net boss.

You know, you didn't have to go crazy from a salary cap standpoint. I think Jordan may make a little less than C.J. or right around the same amount, you know, but, yeah,

I think you still got time for him to prove himself a couple more years left on his deal. two or three more years left on this deal. I think he's still got time to prove himself and with some young guys who are also looking to take that next step. And so I think they become a team

that you got to watch out for in the West. They got a lot of talent. They can put it together. They're going to creep up and can possibly have a good year. So that's what I think this moved me in for the Pelicans. The Wizards. What you got for the Wizards?

I look at that trade for the Wizards. you know, I actually like it for the Wizards. Why? Because I think C.J. McCollum is what the Wizards need. You need some veteran leadership. You need someone who can play basketball. You need someone that can talk to your young guys and get them in positions to play NBA basketball. You got a Lenick there who's like a, you know, a bridge player, somebody.

who can come in, learn the system, be a vet. So you really train in, you know, young energy from pool, who is a dynamic score, but you bet on pool to be, you know, your next all-star, superstar player and leader. I think you're going to get the leadership in McCullum. You're going to get more consistency out of what do you have. Now, I don't know how many years,

call him got on his contract, but I just like that. I like this trade in favor of CJ, and then I also think for Washington, it's a good move to start submit your organization with some veterans around, especially the young guys you have, because they're going to take some time to develop, or if they develop properly, they can skyrocket over half a season with their talent. No doubt. No doubt. I think what we're starting to see more is teams, And so far left with the youth movement that they're realizing that, no, you can go young, but you've got to have some veteran leadership in there, or it's the blind leading the blind,

and that don't want. And so I think that's what we're starting to see. You know, when you look at this OKC team, they started with all those young guys, but throughout those years, they brought in Chris Paws, you know, and different guys that has helped continue to show from a veteran leadership standpoint the way to Shea and for appreciate to take the reins. So I think teams are starting to realize that. I know Will Dawkins comes out of the OKC tree.

And, you know, just to watch them put those veteran leaders around those young guys, I think it makes sense. I expect CJ to go in their action for in extension to extend that money. But I think overall, I think it's a good move for both groups. But the NBA draft is currently going on. NBA drive ain't one of my fondest nights. you know, if you was the third pick, so maybe you want to, like, get all hype for the draft,

I think that shit don't matter. You don't. It's all about where you go, man. I always say the draft is whatever team you go to a system, it don't matter where you, what pick you go. You just want to go to the right situation. And we've seen that countless amount of times with, you know, players in the second round.

You look at, I think, you know, the story that's most of the time. most relevant in my time was Rashar Lewis, you know, being a first round pick and getting drafted in the second round, being upset, but wind up

going to Seattle and wind up becoming a man. Yeah. Faster than he would if he would have, you know, went to a Portland at the time or Indiana at the time and had to sit behind some bets. So, you know,

the draft for me, It was incredible. You know, being the third pick, I didn't really know nothing about Charlotte. I didn't really know who was on the team until I got drafted. Yeah, I went to a good team. I went to a vet team, a playoff team, a team that was, you know,

trying to make it into playoffs in the tough Eastern Conference. And I got a chance my rookie year to sit on the, a bench, which I did not like as the number three pick because the coach told me I should be starting by mid-season. But it was cool. If I would have got drafted earlier, later, who knows, what kind of system. But I went to a system where I was able to grow and then ultimately become an all-star and year three.

No doubt. No, I think, you know, I think where you go, like you said, it's far more important. What was you at on Jeff? It works out then. I was in Saginaw, the Dowley Events Center, baby, with a terrible suit on. And how was it? What? How did it go for you?

Because you were supposed to be a lottery pick, right? Yeah, I wasn't necessarily going to be a lottery, but I definitely was like projected to be top 20, top 20, top 25. Yeah. And, you know, to go 35th pick, it's like, dang, you see the end of that first round coming. Like, man. So it's a great night, you know, but it was very bittersweet for me. Was people overreacting at the party or at your event? Were more people overreacting than you?

I know you were disappointed. But like, what was the hype? And then like the whole, the death. I don't think anybody overreacted. I think people were all shot. You know, you could kind of feel like the angst, way, like, waning, like, Wayne and like, man, like, when this is going to happen? But I don't think anybody overreacted.

Nobody made too much of it. I probably, I probably felt the most about it, you know what I'm saying? Just because I know the work that I had put in and I knew what I had to offer. And so the second round was baffling to me. But in saying that, to get your name called, an NBA draft is special. So I'm forever grateful for that moment. I hope these guys enjoy it.

I enjoy that night and then understand that tomorrow. And yeah, one guy may get an opportunity faster, but tomorrow, everybody is an equal playing field. You got to go prove that you belong in the NBA and what you can bring to a team. Reaction to Drew Holiday being traded to the Blazers for Anthony Simons and second round picks. What's your thought of? Yeah, I think it's just funny to see Drew train it back to the Blazers after the Celtics got them from the Blazers in order to help them win the championship. But in saying that, they say Drew don't want to be there. I think that was the case the first time.

He was traded there as well. But, you know, contract situation is different. I think he had three years left on the deal. So it's kind of not up to you at this point. But we'll see what happens. But, you know, you sign the contract is what it is. So, you know, the Blazers are going to do what's best for them. And they've made that very very much.

clear, you know, the best player in Blazor history wanted to be traded to certain places, and he wasn't traded to those places that he wanted to be traded to. So they've shown that as a franchise, they're going to do what's best for the Blazers. And, you know, so. And it's a good pick-up. And to them to see how I play out. But I think Drew can also, whether he, if he stay there, I think, you know, he can be a great asset for chance, you know, bridging that gap between Chons and, you know, these young guys and kind of being that coach on the floor, that veteran leader who still got game. So, you know, I think still got a way to see how it play out. But, you know, this is a team that is young and definitely rebuild.

So be that it's draft night, I think that that may still shake something. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I can see that still shaking up. but, you know, the Anthony Simons with Boston for Drew. I can understand why Boston is doing this. We can understand how he can fit in because Boston doesn't really, they need scoring,

they need more scoring guards now because of, you know, one I would say Jason Tatum going down, you know, looking for scoring is their dynamic. shooting threes is their dynamic. You got another dude that can really get out of stress the floor, catch fire. I think it works in a system. But for Drew, I think it's great for Portland. And it's great for Drew.

You get to mentor. You get to hoop. You're going to be in at the end of the games. You don't have to worry about, you know, you're going to be the closer, right? And part of that closing team for the Blazers. And you get to bring scoop along. and I like what Portland had last year. If, as we get closer to see what they do,

I'm going to probably call Portland as my sleeper team. Last year or this year, you know, my sleeper team was Houston. At the beginning of the year, you see what they did. So, you know, Portland, I've been looking at analyzing. If they make a couple more moves and put a few pieces together, I look at Portland as a team that can make that jump, because their young dudes are talented and play hard. All right, well, we're going to see us the team shape off.

Free agency ain't either started. Right. That's what I'm saying. This man, that's what I'm saying. This man has not started, and this man giving a sleeper team. That's ridiculous.

What's doing? I'm on it. You know, I'll be doing my scout, man. I got a scalp. I got a scout. Play GM. I play GM at home. Free agency ain't started.

The draft is just starting. And this man. talking about who he got as a sleeper. And listen, they also, the Celtics also traded at Christopjezegos to the Hawks. The Celtics, listen, this is all about the second April. People said they didn't want super teams anymore. Where you have it, all these moves are being made to dodge that second April.

For those out there that don't know what the second apron is, and lame is turn for you, it's a hard cap. It is a hard cap that no owner is dealing with because the penalties are crazy. You lose traffic. You lose the mid-level exception. You lose roster spots. You lose the ability to get better and compete as a team. And the amount of money that you lose is insanity.

And so the Boston Celtics would have had a salary cap with luxury tax bill of $540 million. It is now at $2.80 because they got rid of those contracts. So for those that don't understand what the second apron is, as basic as I can put it in for you, it is a hard cap. And when I said this, before the deal was signed, that this is ridiculous and it's going to hurt players in the end. No one wanted to listen and everybody wanted to act like the PA was making a great deal. The PA made a shit deal, as the PA has done for years now. and every year the pot gets bigger and the business gets better

and the players get screwed more. That's just how this business works. And so, in saying that, back to the Boston Celtics, that's what all of these moves are about people. That's why they got rid of Prozingis. That's why they got rid of Drew Holiday. That's why you're hearing so many people call on Jaylen Brown. You're hearing so many people call on Derek White.

It's because they know they want to give away from that second-day-per- attacks and Jason Tatum being out, things are up in the air. You trade for Anthony Simons, I think, listen, they're the Boston Celtics. They got to be competitive, but at the end of the day, it's an expiring deal, cap situation, all of those things. They can recalibrate. Yeah. And you got Jason Tatum hurt, right?

So if I had to guess, Jalen Brown, if he has any Nixon next this year, probably won't be in the lineup because you're going to recalibrate. you're going to let your books settle. And then next year with Jason Tatea coming back, then you try to retool and start going for it again. And that's just how these things work. You'll see this all over the NBA for years to come because that's just the way this CBA works.

And so you'll see this happen over and over again. That's my feel. That's the second apron. That's the most of Celtics. Yeah, we ask for no more Super Team. So we're definitely going to get no more super teams, but we're also going to get teams that rise in the draft, do great things in free agency,

and they're going to, it's going to be more broken up teams than the teams that you grow up on being like, yeah, this team has been together for five years. That's going to be hard to do, especially, you know, having young players, becoming great and getting better with that cat. Gusman Van gets traded to the Orlando Magic for KCP, Cole Anthony. Four unprotected first round picks and a pick swap.

What do you think about the magic move and how does Bane fit with the current Magic team? Okay, potential lineup, Sugs, Bay, Apollo, Franz, Rogner, and Carter Jr. Did somebody get fleeced? Four unprotected first round picks and a picks rock. That's a lot. That's wild. So when I saw the trade, I was like, man. No, what?

And I like Bain. That's a lot. And then I saw what Orlando's general manager said. I saw a quote East Mid. and it made complete sense to me and why they would make that deal. Yeah. He said something along the lines of

if you went into a lap and created a basketball player, you go into the lap and create Desmond Bay. And I said, oh, okay, that's why he gave up so much. all right cool well the reality is i'm i think desmond bain's done great i think he's a very good player but if i go into live and create a basketball player i'm going to create kevin de wrent or lebron james or like a six six dude with step kerry's jump shot desmond bain is six five with a six four wingspan or six two wingspan or something of that nature I'm not going to live

to create Desmond Bay. Without due respect to Desmond Bayne, I'm not going to create a basketball player with short arms. So when he said that those are the things that when in my mind, like, wait, he got short arms. You're going to go create a basketball player with short arms.

I don't quite understand that. And so I was a bit surprised by the statement, but I understood what he was trying to get at. like Bain play both sides of the ball. But like you gotta find a better way to articulate that. You can't like me like, you're going to laugh.

When you go create a player on 2K, you let me create a damn and bad in size. You created like 6, 9, 16 where I handle and shoot. You're not created a Desmond Bay. But it made complete sense to me. Oh my goodness. Why they made that move. and I'll take it a step further.

I don't know this to be factual. This is just my guess. My guess is they've been looking for a point guard. My guess is they called on Jop and Memphis somehow formed it and curved the ball back around and there was Desmond Bain in the train. Four first round picks and an unprotected pick swap is insane.

So it's obviously a move that says they believe in Paulo, they believe in Franz Boggner, and we're going to put someone around them some shooting that can add, you know what I'm saying, that can take some pressure off of them. Bain is nice stuff. And ain't he more than just a shooter. Like he can get to a bucket, you know, and so.

Yeah, he'll bugger. What the move signals to me is that they believe in those guys and they want to try to go forward with those guys. And also what that move says to me is, which I agree with, they think the league is wide open. And right now is to take a shot. I just don't know if that's the shot I would have taken with four first round picks unprotected and a pig swap. I'm not sure that's the shot I would have taken. Just it seems like a lot.

But I do understand where they are. I understand what they're doing, what they're thinking is. And I respect anybody who's willing to go for. All right. where does the Bain trade leave the Memphis Grizzles? I think it leaves Memphis sort of in the same position that they were in. Not that Desmond Bain is just easy replaceable, but they still got Jaron.

They still got Jaron, they still got Jarre, they got a young Zach Eadie, they got a young Jalen Wells, they got a young G. Jackson, they got a young Scotty Pippen. So I think it leaves them like, again, I always say this. I don't think, and I try to tell people this,

all organizations ain't trying to win championships. Here they are. That's essentially a shred salary cap move for Memphis. Take all the picks back, shred some salary cap, see what we can do with these young guys, but if we can't really, and it don't matter, we got all these picks for the future, right? That's a salary cap move.

So where does it leave them? I think it should be clear as day to Jai. You've got to understand how to do that. this business work, clear as day, is that, is that organization really trying to win a championship? When I see the move, I say, no, you're worried about other things and you're pulling away, but y'all just pulling back to taxes, y'all are pulling back, y'all don't want to get the tax. So you let, you know, but this has been a thing with them. This has been a thing with Memphis.

They've been doing it over and over again. They had a team where it seemed like they had a chance. they let the Anthony Melton. They send the Anthony Melton away to Philly. They let Kyle Anderson walk, right? Now you fast for it's Bain. So this is a thing for them. I think they're a team that don't want to get to the tax

and they make moves based on that. That's why I think this leaves the middle of the crisis. All right. You know, there's been also, I would say, a lot of sayings or a lot of chatter about Memphis, players being reluctant to play in Memphis because it's a dangerous place to live. Do you think that also adds to it? I think Memphis is a great place.

I think that we should be, one, trying to uplift and highlight, like, all the positive things. And so when you hear statements like that from people, like, they don't necessarily be tapped in, right? and I don't like statements like that because it undermines, you know, the goodness, the positivity, the true essence of, you know, a city that needs to be uplifted.

You watch it first 48 and shit like that, and then you make an assessment off that. That's television, that's entertainment, right? We're talking about people who blood, sweat, and tears, you know, come to support, you know, the Grizzlies, right? I'm talking about people who, you know, support kids and

Memphis basketball on all levels the work, you know, penny doing. So you can't, you can't, it's just, it's just buster comments to me, you know? I got a lot of love for the city of Memphis. I got people from Memphis too. People from Memphis has always shown me love.

Even their staff, when we in their building, they show love. everybody in Memphis has always shown love. And I was about to go to Memphis two years ago, so I wholeheartedly disagree. Because the last thing that was on my mind was this is dangerous place to live. I can't go.

Every city in the world has a dangerous part. Every city in the world has a dangerous part to it. So I'm not going to sit here and single out that city and be like, yo, a player can't go to that city because it's too dangerous. Come on, man. That's a wild state. That's a wild state.

There's a dangerous part of Los Angeles. There's a dangerous part of Detroit. There's a dangerous part of Miami. There's a dangerous part of New York. There's a dangerous part of Dallas. There's a dangerous part of Houston. There's a dangerous part of Indianapolis. There's a dangerous part of Charlotte.

You name it. There's a dangerous part of every city. So to single off that scene in that franchise and try to make it like nobody want to go there because that place is dangerous, don't do that to that city. I disagree with that wholeheartedly, like I said. I was about to go there two years ago. And the last thing that was on my mind was, I'm not going to go play with that team because that's dangerous.

This is who. This is who. We're here to play basketball. Raise our family. Come on, man. And be great, great pillars in the community, man. How can I help that community? Stop it, man.

We should have caught that with Buzz off or something like that.